From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 2 22:38:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16760; Sun, 2 Jan 94 22:38:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27041; Sun, 2 Jan 94 22:26:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27035; Sun, 2 Jan 94 22:26:33 -0800 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14173; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 01:26:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 01:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade Reply-To: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Pine using tvi925 emulation To: "Tami L. Salz" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, scott@psi.bc.ca. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello, This sounds like a simple problem of there not being a termcap (or terminfo) entry for tvi925's. Unfortunately, knowing a tvi925's once having had one on my desk, there's another problem in that the require a space on the screen to change video attributes (reverse video) and Pine doesn't work with these terminals in the normal node. The screen painting gets all scrambled. The Pine Tech Notes have a solution for this and includes a termcap entry that should work. There's also the problem that the arrow keys on these terminals don't work because the send control key sequences that Pine uses for some of it's commands. There's no real work around for these. I believe most of these problems occur with Wyse60's too. Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On Wed, 22 Dec 1993, Tami L. Salz wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 10:19:12 -0500 (EST) > From: Tami L. Salz > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Pine using tvi925 emulation > > Hi, > > We have some users with Wyse dumb terminals with tvi925 emulation > who would like to use Pine. They are getting the message from Pine that > tvi925 aren't known. > > "Terminal type "tvi925", is unknown" > > tvi925 is the only emulation that these (old) terminals > are capable of. > > Anyone have any suggestions, or will this just not work. > > thanks, > > > Tami Salz phone: (617) 353-2780 > Analyst/Consultant III or (617) 353-7272 > Boston University e-mail: salz@bu.edu > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 3 07:45:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22045; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:45:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11313; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:06:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from motgate.mot.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11307; Mon, 3 Jan 94 07:06:04 -0800 Received: from mothost.mot.com ([129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA28358; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 09:06:03 -0600 Received: from isunix.cdx.mot.com by mothost.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA25559; Mon, 3 Jan 1994 09:06:01 -0600 Received: by isunix.cdx.mot.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00210; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:04:43 -0500 Received: by codex.com ( 5.52 (84)/Spike-2.0 for ) id AA24872; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:05:05 EST Message-Id: <9401031505.AA24872@codex.com> Received: by brownie.prds.cdx.mot.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05941; Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:56:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:56:52 -0500 From: Alex Brown To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE built for XENIX? Cc: a.brown@ieee.org Hello -- I'm trying to provide a small school with a simple mail+news installation; the system available is 80386 Xenix 2.3.2. I have an incomplete PICO port working, but there seem to be some more fundamental problems with PINE. As I'm doing this as a volunteer, I don't have much time to put into solving them. I'd appreciate any contact information regarding ports of PINE to Xenix, SCO UNIX, 386/ix, or any other 386 System V environment. I'd appreciate reply by mail -- I'm not a subscriber to this list. Please reply to the address below, not the origination address of this note. Thanks! Alex Brown a.brown@ieee.org > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 01:36:05 -0500 (EST) > From: Laurence Lundblade > Subject: Re: PINE built for XENIX? > To: Alex Brown > Cc: mikes@cac.washington.edu, a.brown@ieee.org > In-Reply-To: <9310292035.AA24568@codex.com> > Message-Id: > References: <9310292035.AA24568@codex.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Status: R > Hello Alex, > I'm not so directly involved with Pine anymore. I think some folks > have made attempts, but no one has really got it running. You might try > posting to pine-info@cac.washington.edu and see if you get any help there. > Laurence Lundblade > lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 > Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia > On Fri, 29 Oct 1993, Alex Brown wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 16:28:32 -0400 > > From: Alex Brown > > To: lgl@cac.washington.edu, mikes@cac.washington.edu > > Cc: a.brown@ieee.org > > Subject: PINE built for XENIX? > > > > Has there been any word of a XENIX port of PINE/PICO? > > I'd appreciate any contact information if so. > > > > Thanks -- > > > > Alexander S. Brown a.brown@ieee.org > > IEEE Society for Social Implications of Technology > > PO Box 341, Hopkinton MA 01748 (508) 435-4765 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 3 09:31:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24830; Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:31:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12164; Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:14:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12158; Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:13:59 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02734; Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:13:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 09:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Is there's pine on acfcluster? (fwd) To: Yigal Rechtman Cc: pinelist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. There are unsubstantiated rumors of a project somewhere to port Pine to VMS, but it was only a third-hand report... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 22 Dec 1993, Yigal Rechtman wrote: > > Dear Pine Gurus: Is the info below correct? > > > >>Pine exists only for Unix and DOS. There has been no indication that the > >>Pine folks (at the University of Washington) plan to port it to VMS. > > Thanks! > > Yigal > ymr6189@acf4.nyu.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 3 10:43:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27449; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:43:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03784; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:34:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03778; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:34:01 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07003; Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:33:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 10:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: unparseable date in PINE 3.89 To: "Carolynn Seeley ( Spring )" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you track down the specific message(s) that are causing the problem? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 23 Dec 1993, Carolynn Seeley ( Spring ) wrote: > > I have completed the upgrades to PINE 3.88 from 3.07 on a SUN; to 3.88 > from 3.05 on a Solaris; and to 3.89 from 3.07 on an SGI. > > A few of my people have been reporting a problem with PINE 3.89 on the > SGI. When they start their PINE session the Main menu comes up with the > message 'Opening INBOX' and then [after a beep] the message 'Unparseable > date' appears in the command line. PINE seems to open everything and run > fine and the error message disappears after a few screen changes. > > Any ideas? Has anyone else run across this? > > Thanks for your help, and Happy Holidays to you all. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carolynn Seeley (Spring) email: cseeley@mcmaster.ca > Consultant, Desktop Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca > Computing and Information Services > McMaster University, JHE-122 > (905) 525-9140 x27090 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 3 16:52:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07206; Mon, 3 Jan 94 16:52:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16357; Mon, 3 Jan 94 16:47:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16351; Mon, 3 Jan 94 16:47:20 -0800 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18747; Tue, 4 Jan 94 02:47:51 +0200 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01853; Tue, 4 Jan 94 04:49:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 04:49:19 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: Motif GUI for pine To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have made great progress in building an OSF/Motif-based Graphical User Interface for pine. I can already browse the folder index, select and manipulate folders and collections, and view messages. Compose, addressbook, configuration and help screens still need to be implemented. Plus a lot of polishing. Basically what I have done, is that I've thrown out all the code that does I/O onto screen (calls to ttyin.c and ttyout.c). I have built respective Motif screens with an interface builder, rewritten the code that builds and maintains lists etc on tty-screen, to fill instead Motif list and text widgets. User interaction now comes through callbacks from Motif widgets (Menus, buttons and lists) for which I have to write callback functions to execute pine functions. The GUI interface code will be plain automatically generated K&R C, which should compile on any Unix machine, which has X11R5 and Motif 1.2 libraries installed. The underlying remaining pine code will remain essentially unchainged, so that should compile on the same Unix platforms as 3.89 did. A lot of original pine code can be thrown away since Motif widgets handle most screen operations by themselves (such as scrolling lists and texts), and pico will no longer be needed at all. This is what it will look like: - The main window will pop-up first, it contains the folder index list, which looks pretty much the same what the L-command in pine shows. It is scrollable and has scrollbars, a popup-menu etc. Above the list is a status bar, exactly like in pine. Above status bar is a menu bar, containing pulldown menus, from which most Pine functions can be executed. Below the folder index list is a pane of push buttons, which allows convinient execution of the most common functions. Below that is a scrollable text window, onto which all messages to user are printed. - A separate window is provided for viewing messages. This allows concurrent viewing of the folder index and messages. Messages are shown in a scrollable text widget. This window also has a menu bar and push buttons. - Yet another window is provided for composing messages. The editor is very simple typical Motif text widget application. it does however provide pull-down menus and pop-up dialogs etc. Another more powerfull editor can be used instead, like in pine. - Addressbook is shown in yet another dialog window, which has one list for individual addresses, one for mailing lists and a third to show contents of mailing list items. Plus text fields for editing and adding entries and command buttons and menus. - Collections and folders are selected also with a custom dialog having scrollable lists and nescessary buttons etc. - Options and user preferences can be set from a separate window. This will eliminate the need to edit .pinerc by hand. .signature can be edited too. .forward and vacation can be turned on/off from menus. - Of course there will be also a help text viewer (and help button on each window and dialog), with a help item index, possibly with mouse pointable context sensitive help and maybe even hypertext links. - Attachement viewers for GIF's, Postscript etc. can be integrated more smoothly now. As this is just a hobby for me, it will take probably until March before I get a distributable version of the package together. It will run on HP9000/73x's (HP-UX 9.01) for sure, maybe even on IBM RS/6000's (AIX 3.2). As the unix system-call dependencies are pretty well isolated into one module in pine already (os-???.c), there will probably be very few problems in porting the code to any reasonable Unix-platform (with Motif). Needeless to say, this won't work on DOS. As a matter of fact, I've thrown that code out as it makes reading very difficult. -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 Development Engineer mail: TL2E, P.O. BOX 12, FIN-02611 Espoo, Finland Data Communications internet: IAN.LEIMAN@ntc.nokia.com Transmission Systems x400: C=FI,A=Elisa,or A=Mailnet,P=Nokia Telecom, NOKIA Telecommunications SUR=LEIMAN,GIV=IAN,(UNIT=DCO) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 01:20:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12266; Tue, 4 Jan 94 01:20:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19671; Tue, 4 Jan 94 00:54:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hpuel01.ba-mannheim.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19665; Tue, 4 Jan 94 00:54:32 -0800 Received: by hpuel01.ba-mannheim.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07825; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:53:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 09:53:28 +0200 (METDST) From: Rainer Zimmermann Subject: Re: unparseable date in PINE 3.89 To: cseeley@offsv1.cis.mcmaster.ca Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had exactly the same problem on HP-UX after upgrading to PINE 3.88 from 3.07. The message went away after the users saved/deleted their old mail messages from INBOX. It seems there is a different date field handling in PINE >= 3.87. Hope this might help. Greetings, -Rainer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer Zimmermann, Berufsakademie Mannheim, Germany system@hpuel01.ba-mannheim.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 23 Dec 1993, Carolynn Seeley ( Spring ) wrote: > > I have completed the upgrades to PINE 3.88 from 3.07 on a SUN; to 3.88 > from 3.05 on a Solaris; and to 3.89 from 3.07 on an SGI. > > A few of my people have been reporting a problem with PINE 3.89 on the > SGI. When they start their PINE session the Main menu comes up with the > message 'Opening INBOX' and then [after a beep] the message 'Unparseable > date' appears in the command line. PINE seems to open everything and run > fine and the error message disappears after a few screen changes. > > Any ideas? Has anyone else run across this? > > Thanks for your help, and Happy Holidays to you all. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carolynn Seeley (Spring) email: cseeley@mcmaster.ca > Consultant, Desktop Support cseeley@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca > Computing and Information Services > McMaster University, JHE-122 > (905) 525-9140 x27090 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 02:04:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12854; Tue, 4 Jan 94 02:04:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19976; Tue, 4 Jan 94 01:40:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.swip.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19970; Tue, 4 Jan 94 01:40:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by mail.swip.net (8.6.4/2.01) id KAA03792; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:40:47 +0100 Received: from clindh by abalon.se (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB23043; Tue, 4 Jan 94 10:33:17 +0100 X-Nupop-Charset: Swedish Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:31:06 +0100 (MET) From: "Christer Lindh" Reply-To: clindh@abalon.se Message-Id: <37870.clindh@abalon.se> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: IMAP/POP client for Windows? PINE is great for sure but --- our users demand Windows program. So can anyone of you recommend a free or shareware email program for Windows that uses IMAP, POP and or SMTP? Preferably MIME compliant but they can live without that. ** Please reply directly to me via email as it's a little outside the subject for this mailing list (While waiting for a PINE that can be used to read/reply mail off-line I have to use this NuPOP program which is pretty good but doesn't do MIME at all which is quite unfortunate as the users at work that send me mail uses PINE now. And as we speak ISO 8859-1 they use a lot of 8bit chars which are then quoted...) ----------------------------------------------------------- :: clindh@abalon.se :: Remote from the field via nuPop :: :: Christer Lindh :: (Currently in H{lsingland) :: ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 09:47:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01609; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:47:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27979; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:19:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27961; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:19:39 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <03688-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:51:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:51:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Suggested enhancement To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 362 When saving messages, I'd find it helpful if the suggested folder for saves was the last one saved to - anyone agrY? Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 10:15:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02560; Tue, 4 Jan 94 10:15:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28682; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:56:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from henson.cc.wwu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28674; Tue, 4 Jan 94 09:56:01 -0800 Received: by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.65/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA06917; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:00:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 09:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Scott Williams" Reply-To: "J. Scott Williams" Subject: Re: IMAP/POP client for Windows? To: Christer Lindh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <37870.clindh@abalon.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Christer, I have gotten PC-Pine to run as a DOS application from within MS-Windows using a PIF file that gives PC-Pine some background CPU cycles for IMAP on 386 and 486 CPUs. It involves running a package called PKTMUX after the Ethernet packet driver is started and before MS-Windows is started. If PC-Pine is positioned in a window "just right" you can see the status line highlighted when new mail arrives. If you want further details. Please let me know. -jscott- -------- |J. Scott Williams, MH 354 Ph: (206) 650-2868 FAX: (206) 650-2816 | |Academic Tech. User Services Internet: scott@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. "Internet--Talking across the electronic| |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 back fence of the world."-JSW| On 4 Jan 1994, Christer Lindh wrote: > PINE is great for sure but --- our users demand Windows program. > So can anyone of you recommend a free or shareware email program > for Windows that uses IMAP, POP and or SMTP? Preferably MIME compliant > but they can live without that. > > ** Please reply directly to me via email as it's a little outside the > subject for this mailing list > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > :: clindh@abalon.se :: Remote from the field via nuPop :: > :: Christer Lindh :: (Currently in H{lsingland) :: > ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 13:56:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07330; Tue, 4 Jan 94 13:56:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02511; Tue, 4 Jan 94 13:42:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02505; Tue, 4 Jan 94 13:42:02 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04119; Tue, 4 Jan 94 13:41:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Suggested enhancement To: Mike Roch Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, Just set "saved-msg-name-rule=last-folder-used" in your .pinerc file... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 4 Jan 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > When saving messages, I'd find it helpful if the suggested folder > for saves was the last one saved to - anyone agrY? > > Mike > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 20:08:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14778; Tue, 4 Jan 94 20:08:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07781; Tue, 4 Jan 94 19:59:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ACF4.NYU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07775; Tue, 4 Jan 94 19:59:00 -0800 Received: by acf4.NYU.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29099; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:00:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:59:25 -0500 (EST) From: Yigal Rechtman Subject: Pine on VMS (was: Re: Is there's pine on acfcluster? (fwd) To: pinelist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For your Information: This msg came from my sys manager. Please forward and questions/comments/whatever to him. -Yigal ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 23:22:37 -0500 From: tihor To: Yigal Rechtman Subject: Re: Is there's pine on acfcluster? (fwd) Out Email transport provider is working to port PINE to VMS but it is not yet ready enough for an estimated date to start testing yet. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 4 21:57:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15562; Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:57:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08548; Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:49:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08542; Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:49:20 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07444; Tue, 4 Jan 94 21:49:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 21:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: IMAP/POP client for Windows? To: Christer Lindh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <37870.clindh@abalon.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > PINE is great for sure but --- our users demand Windows program. > So can anyone of you recommend a free or shareware email program > for Windows that uses IMAP, POP and or SMTP? Preferably MIME compliant > but they can live without that. Christer, I'm aware of two MS Windows IMAP clients that support MIME, both of them commercial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Client MIME? Source/Vendor Status ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ECSMail 2.2 Yes ISA Corp. Released PC-MM Yes ICL ProSystems Released The second one (from Sweden) I just learned about today... -teg p.s. I CC'd the list because I think your question is actually on the minds of many friends of Pine... For a more complete listing of IMAP-capable mailers, see the file mail/imap.software on ftp.cac.washington.edu, from which the above info is taken. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 5 06:04:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22394; Wed, 5 Jan 94 06:04:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09248; Wed, 5 Jan 94 05:50:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.BrockU.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09242; Wed, 5 Jan 94 05:50:41 -0800 Received: from sandcastle.cosc.BrockU.CA by nexus.BrockU.CA via SMTP (920110.SGI/911001.SGI.UNSUPPORTED.PROTOTYPE) for gray@cac.washington.edu id AA12343; Wed, 5 Jan 94 08:47:12 -0500 Received: by SANDCASTLE.COSC.BROCKU.CA (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @NEXUS.BROCKU.CA:clindh@abalon.se id AA27780; Wed, 5 Jan 94 08:49:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 08:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Wyatt Subject: Re: IMAP/POP client for Windows? To: Terry Gray Cc: Christer Lindh , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eudora for the PC is a windows application and works just like the Mac version. It supports both pop and mime and is free. You can find Eudora at ftp.qualcomm.com Jamie ------------------------------------------------------ Jamie Wyatt Network and Systems Administrator Dept. of Computer Science, Brock University St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada, L2S 3A1 jwyatt@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca On Tue, 4 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > > PINE is great for sure but --- our users demand Windows program. > > So can anyone of you recommend a free or shareware email program > > for Windows that uses IMAP, POP and or SMTP? Preferably MIME compliant > > but they can live without that. > > Christer, > I'm aware of two MS Windows IMAP clients that support MIME, both of them > commercial: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Client MIME? Source/Vendor Status > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ECSMail 2.2 Yes ISA Corp. Released > PC-MM Yes ICL ProSystems Released > > The second one (from Sweden) I just learned about today... > > -teg > > p.s. I CC'd the list because I think your question is actually on the > minds of many friends of Pine... For a more complete listing of > IMAP-capable mailers, see the file mail/imap.software on > ftp.cac.washington.edu, from which the above info is taken. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 5 16:30:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06486; Wed, 5 Jan 94 16:30:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21731; Wed, 5 Jan 94 16:06:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from post.demon.co.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21725; Wed, 5 Jan 94 16:06:52 -0800 Received: from compcg.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa17333; 6 Jan 94 0:01 GMT Received: from compass.unity by compcg.demon.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11225; Wed, 5 Jan 94 18:11:06 GMT Received: by compass.unity (5.61/1.35) id AA24690; Wed, 5 Jan 94 18:11:04 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 17:31:46 +0000 (WET) From: Martin Beenham Subject: PC-PINE sans IMAP? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have UNIX PINE compiled and installed on a variety of machine flavours here and PC-PINE has been very successful. For consistency's sake I would like to install PC-PINE on a windows PC running a SLIP dialup to a NON-IMAP mail feeder. Has anybody modified PC-PINE to pick up mail off a local .txt mailbox and send mail to the normal .txt and .wrk files? Thanks, Martin -- Martin G. Beenham, IT Manager (martin@compass) |Tel +44 635 550660 Compass Computer Group, Newbury, Berks, UK RG14 5PX |Fax +44 635 521268 Internet: martin@compcg.demon.co.uk (@work) martin@aman.demon.co.uk (@home) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 06:50:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15301; Thu, 6 Jan 94 06:50:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24548; Thu, 6 Jan 94 06:34:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from acad.csv.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24542; Thu, 6 Jan 94 06:34:12 -0800 Received: by acad.csv.kutztown.edu.csv.kutztown.edu (5.61/1.35) id AA05407; Thu, 6 Jan 94 09:34:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 09:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Lisa M. Frye" Subject: Pine on PTX To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone running pine on the PTX operating system (or even system V release 3)? I am going to upgrade from DYNIX to PTX and was wondering if anyone has compile pine on PTX? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your time. Lisa Frye 683-4474 Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Kutztown, PA. 19530 "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 10:19:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19056; Thu, 6 Jan 94 10:19:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26268; Thu, 6 Jan 94 10:04:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26262; Thu, 6 Jan 94 10:04:48 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06845; Thu, 6 Jan 94 10:04:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 10:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine on PTX To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lisa, The "ptx" port of Pine runs fine on most Dynix/ptx systems. The only ones that have much trouble are running old versions of PTX, which I presume you will not be doing... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote: > > Is anyone running pine on the PTX operating system (or even system V > release 3)? I am going to upgrade from DYNIX to PTX and was wondering if > anyone has compile pine on PTX? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in > advance for your time. > > > > Lisa Frye 683-4474 > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Kutztown, PA. 19530 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 11:36:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21412; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:36:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27187; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27181; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:26:30 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA20399; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:26:33 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA24233; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:29:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 11:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: Pine on PTX To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote: > > Is anyone running pine on the PTX operating system (or even system V > release 3)? I am going to upgrade from DYNIX to PTX and was wondering if > anyone has compile pine on PTX? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in > advance for your time. Yup...We have 2 Sequent S81's running Dynix/PTX 2.0.3...Pine is the easiest app to compile on a Sequent I've seen yet...The Pine folks have done a wonderful job implementing the PTX platform...Way to go, guys! > > > > Lisa Frye 683-4474 > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Kutztown, PA. 19530 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@cs.orst.edu 737-9533 OSU CS Support CSWest Room 12 737-2552 'These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 11:48:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21849; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:48:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03739; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gw.PacBell.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03733; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:46:00 -0800 Received: from pacbell.UUCP by gw.PacBell.COM (4.1/PacBell-10/26/93) id AA15055; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:45:54 PST Received: by jagware.bcc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:34 PST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 11:34:33 -0700(PDT) From: "J.J.Bailey" Subject: Re: Pine on PTX To: "Lisa M. Frye" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm running pine on Interactive 4.0 (SunSoft), which is System V Release 3.2. The patches and additional files required for this port have not yet been added to the distribution. J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Lisa M. Frye wrote: > > Is anyone running pine on the PTX operating system (or even system V > release 3)? I am going to upgrade from DYNIX to PTX and was wondering if > anyone has compile pine on PTX? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in > advance for your time. > > > > Lisa Frye 683-4474 > Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 > Kutztown University frye@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > Kutztown, PA. 19530 > > "You can bring a person to the university, but you can't make him think." > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 13:53:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24089; Thu, 6 Jan 94 13:53:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28604; Thu, 6 Jan 94 13:43:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28598; Thu, 6 Jan 94 13:43:49 -0800 Received: from GOLIATH.PBAC.EDU by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04298; Thu, 6 Jan 94 13:43:47 -0800 Received: by goliath (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19488; Thu, 6 Jan 94 16:38:14 EST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 16:38:14 EST From: huehn@goliath.pbac.edu (Tom F. Huehn) Message-Id: <9401062138.AA19488@goliath> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: wanting to run PINE on a Sun Greetings I would like to PINE on our Sun 4.1.1. Could you please recommend an ftp cite. Is PINE version 3.05 the most current? Thanks Tom Huehn Technical Services Librarian Palm Beach Atlantic College West Palm Beach, FL 33416 tel. (407) 835-4398 email: huehn@goliath.pbac.edu ************************************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 17:48:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29142; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:48:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01321; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:37:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01315; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:37:53 -0800 Received: from mundania.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA27800; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:37:57 -0800 Received: by mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/CS-Client) id AA04637; Thu, 6 Jan 94 17:41:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason R. Thorpe" Subject: Re: wanting to run PINE on a Sun To: "Tom F. Huehn" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9401062138.AA19488@goliath> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Tom F. Huehn wrote: > Greetings > > I would like to PINE on our Sun 4.1.1. > > Could you please recommend an ftp cite. ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine > > Is PINE version 3.05 the most current? Ugh...Negatory...3.89 > > Thanks > > Tom Huehn > Technical Services Librarian > Palm Beach Atlantic College > West Palm Beach, FL 33416 > > tel. (407) 835-4398 > email: huehn@goliath.pbac.edu > > ************************************************************************ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@cs.orst.edu 737-9533 OSU CS Support CSWest Room 12 737-2552 'These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 6 19:35:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00334; Thu, 6 Jan 94 19:35:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10334; Thu, 6 Jan 94 19:24:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ACF4.NYU.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10328; Thu, 6 Jan 94 19:24:07 -0800 Received: by acf4.NYU.EDU (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA18210; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:25:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: Yigal Rechtman Subject: Re: International Internet Association (fwd) To: pinelist Cc: comment@acf4.NYU.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 19:17:37 -0500 From: Edward Wiley To: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L Subject: Re: International Internet Association This is such a blatent attempt at fraud, that we all should copy it and spread it all over the Internet. E. B. (Bud) Wiley | wileye@freenet.fsu.edu | 7204 Andrew Jackson | do540@cleveland.freenet.edu | Palatka, FL 32177 | ah374@denver.freenet.edu | On Wed, 5 Jan 1994, Bruce Bumbalough wrote: > Hello Rooters! > > The discussion in recent days on Internet Access prompts an > upload of this warning about the International Internet > Association. I know no more than the contents of the message. > > Bruce Bumbalough > e-mail: bbumbalo@leo.vsla.edu > > > Forwarded by Gleason Sackman - InterNIC net-happenings moderator > ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() > > ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:18:44 -0500 > From: "Scott A. Ward 703-614-4719" > To: Multiple recipients of list COMMUNET > Subject: Warning: International Internet Association > > A company calling itself the International Internet Association, and billing > itself as "the largest non-profit provider of free Internet access in the > world" has started advertizing in the Washington, D.C. area, and offering free > Internet accounts to individuals who will FAX them, among other things, a > credit card number. As an active member of the Member Council of the National > Capital Area Public Access Network (CapAccess), I wanted to find more about > this organization that supposedly has offices NOT THREE BLOCKS FROM CAPACCESS. > Here's the result of my search for the IIA. > > 1. Their address, listed as "Suite 852 - 202 Pennsylvania Ave, N.W. Washington > D.C. 20006", is actually a post office box at Mailboxes, Etc. > > 2. The company lists no incorporation, trademark or service-mark licenses. > > 3. They claim your E-mail address would be @iia.org. However: > a. No iia.org is listed in the hq.af.mil hosts table > b. No iia.org is listed in the acq.osd.mil hosts table > c. No iia.org is listed is the INTERNIC 'whois' database > d. No iia.org is listed using the INTERNIC 'netfind' Internet lookup > In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist. > > 4. Although they apologize profusely in the application, they state that > "Without receiving a credit card number, the IIA _cannot_ process an > account." > > 5. Although I have left a message on their voice-mail system, I have received > no response from them. (they also apologize in the voice mail that, > due to demand, they are operating at a 3-week backlog for applications.) > > I cannot judge an organization in advance. However, I do think it highly > suspicious that, to use their propaganda, "The International Internet > Association is able to make this service available through generous private > donations, and the extraordinary dedication of its membership." I can say that > I am not convinced this organization exists, and highly discourage any Internet > user from sending information until you make certain that the IIA is real. > > Scott Ward (703) 614-4719 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Vice-Chair, Public Relations Volunteer Service Manager (VSM) > National Capital Area Public CapAccess Community Center > Access Network (CapAccess) communit@cap.gwu.edu > sward@cap.gwu.edu "go community" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 7 09:42:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10870; Fri, 7 Jan 94 09:42:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17142; Fri, 7 Jan 94 09:33:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17136; Fri, 7 Jan 94 09:32:58 -0800 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA28739 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Fri, 7 Jan 1994 09:32:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 09:32:51 -0800 (GMT-0800) From: VampLestat Subject: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are moving toward getting our users to use the Pine mail program instead of Elm, but a few people recall a couple problems with Pine in the past, and I wonder if these problems have since been resolved. Is there a limit to the number of addresses you can place in a group alias? Is there a way to tell pine to go out and check if there is new mail in the current folder you are working with? When I am attempting to debug something, and I know I have new mail waiting, I'd like to be able to tell it to check for new mail right now. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 7 10:50:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12670; Fri, 7 Jan 94 10:50:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18289; Fri, 7 Jan 94 10:45:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18283; Fri, 7 Jan 94 10:45:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA07126; Fri, 7 Jan 1994 12:49:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 12:49:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > Is there a limit to the number of addresses you can place in a group > alias? None that I am aware of, but I'm not sure. > Is there a way to tell pine to go out and check if there is new mail in > the current folder you are working with? > > When I am attempting to debug something, and I know I have new mail > waiting, I'd like to be able to tell it to check for new mail right now. Pressing 'N' five times or so when at the last message in that folder will cause pine to then check that folder for new mail. You can be either at the INDEX or actually reading the last message in the folder. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> To flame me, log on to ICBMnet and \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> target 44 09' 49" N x 93 59' 57" W -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 7 11:23:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13708; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:23:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18747; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:08:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18739; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:08:53 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00172; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:08:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 7 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > > We are moving toward getting our users to use the Pine mail program > instead of Elm, but a few people recall a couple problems with Pine in > the past, and I wonder if these problems have since been resolved. > > Is there a limit to the number of addresses you can place in a group > alias? > > Is there a way to tell pine to go out and check if there is new mail in > the current folder you are working with? > > When I am attempting to debug something, and I know I have new mail > waiting, I'd like to be able to tell it to check for new mail right now. > > > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) > | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach > | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 7 11:24:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13790; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:24:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18860; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:14:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18854; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:14:01 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01017; Fri, 7 Jan 94 11:13:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, there is no design limit to the number of addresses in a distribution list. Older versions of Pine did have bugs or triggered bugs in sendmail to effectively limit the size, but they have all been fixed in Pine 3.89, as far as we know. There are two ways to force a mail check. 1) go to the bottom of the index and press 'N' a few times. 2) Refresh the screen with '^L'. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 7 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > > We are moving toward getting our users to use the Pine mail program > instead of Elm, but a few people recall a couple problems with Pine in > the past, and I wonder if these problems have since been resolved. > > Is there a limit to the number of addresses you can place in a group > alias? > > Is there a way to tell pine to go out and check if there is new mail in > the current folder you are working with? > > When I am attempting to debug something, and I know I have new mail > waiting, I'd like to be able to tell it to check for new mail right now. > > > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) > | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach > | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 8 16:39:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04810; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:39:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03059; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:26:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from beach.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03053; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:26:57 -0800 Received: by beach.csulb.edu id AA11068 (5.65c+/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:26:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:26:54 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: David L Miller Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > There are two ways to force a mail check. 1) go to the bottom of the > index and press 'N' a few times. 2) Refresh the screen with '^L'. I've tried this on Pine v3.88 and while the hitting the 'N' key a few times seems to work, when I refresh the screen with '^L' it doesnt seem to do a mail check, I did this from the index screen. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 8 16:58:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04926; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:58:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19207; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:50:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tern.csulb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19201; Sat, 8 Jan 94 16:50:40 -0800 Received: by tern.csulb.edu id AA19265 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:50:38 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:50:37 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: PGP and Pine To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I used to have scripts in ELM that I used to automatically sign or verfy mail with PGP. Is there any way to accomplish this with Pine? Or is anyone working on including any form of encyption/digital signatures with Pine? _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 8 18:10:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05678; Sat, 8 Jan 94 18:10:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03737; Sat, 8 Jan 94 18:03:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03731; Sat, 8 Jan 94 18:03:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id UAA03907; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 20:07:17 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 20:07:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Reply-To: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: PGP and Pine To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 8 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > > I used to have scripts in ELM that I used to automatically sign or verfy > mail with PGP. Is there any way to accomplish this with Pine? Or is > anyone working on including any form of encyption/digital signatures with > Pine? It is pretty simple to set up pine to sign a message. The first step is to write a simple script. I call this script 'picopgp' ---> Begin #!/bin/sh pico -z -t $1 pgp -sat $1 mv $1.asc $1 ---> End Next, set your alternate editor to this script file. Then, whenever you invoke your alternate editor, it will launch pico again, but when you finish, it will sign your mailing. ------ To decrypt stuff, you will have to wait for the pipe command to be implemented (unless it was in 3.89, we have 3.88). To encrypt on the fly, I'm afraid that I don't know of a way. Hope this helps. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> To flame me, log on to ICBMnet and \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> target 44 09' 49" N x 93 59' 57" W -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 16:19:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14113; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:19:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10650; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:07:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tern.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10644; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:07:24 -0800 Received: by tern.csulb.edu id AA16705 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Sun, 9 Jan 1994 16:07:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 16:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: PGP and Pine To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I used to have scripts in ELM that I used to automatically sign or verfy > > mail with PGP. Is there any way to accomplish this with Pine? Or is > > anyone working on including any form of encyption/digital signatures with > > Pine? > [snip snip] > To decrypt stuff, you will have to wait for the pipe command to be > implemented (unless it was in 3.89, we have 3.88). To encrypt on the > fly, I'm afraid that I don't know of a way. Has anyone attempted to get any other forms of encryption working with Pine, like RIPEM? I think the security of one's mail is becoming increasingly important as the net grows, and being able to sign my messages is nice, but I think we need to find a way to encrypt/decrypt on the fly. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 16:21:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14166; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:21:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10660; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:10:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10654; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:10:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA20582; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 18:14:49 -0600 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 18:14:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: PGP and Pine To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 9 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > Has anyone attempted to get any other forms of encryption working with > Pine, like RIPEM? I think the security of one's mail is becoming > increasingly important as the net grows, and being able to sign my > messages is nice, but I think we need to find a way to encrypt/decrypt on > the fly. I agree, I think it is important. But there are some very serious legal issues that surround cryptography. Not only are there export controls, but PGP has some legal problems with the RSA patent. There's also the problem of determining which crytographic method will become the standard (I like PGP, myself). Hope the signing script helps. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> To flame me, log on to ICBMnet and \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> target 44 09' 49" N x 93 59' 57" W - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLTCd6p3BsrEqkf9NAQG0QAP/fiqy/jG5eMbx9wnbGzUSMk583ckiV5X+ x1dk1AFzWZZr2OkuUP6xSCHDB8lZf6gmXFc6o5ISDD7uywGvCEaXXfgFnSPtOzqN i6fu+klLFg95MdL5oR8epL5rn4UBgI/Qk0EwNMPmp5FlKMJ6/uGPk0uiPv80EeyM Qq5OANA5sj8= =rbqT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 16:45:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14363; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:45:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10829; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.bih.harvard.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10823; Sun, 9 Jan 94 16:37:37 -0800 Received: by mercury.bih.harvard.edu (4.1/SMI-4.16) id AA05272; Sun, 9 Jan 94 19:37:24 EST Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 19:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McWilliams Reply-To: Scott McWilliams Subject: Update Disable ? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We're planning on rolling out the 3.89 Pine in February to our hospital users, but are leery of the network traffic as people experiment with the Update option from the Setup menu. Is there any way to disable this? Thanks. ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: scott@bih.harvard.edu | | Sysadmin, Postmaster | | | | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | | Network Services | | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | | Boston, Mass. 02215 | -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 17:20:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14642; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:20:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11016; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:07:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11010; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:07:51 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05162; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:07:46 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: VampLestat Cc: David L Miller , Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ryan, The ^L new mail check was added in 3.89. -teg On Sat, 8 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > > There are two ways to force a mail check. 1) go to the bottom of the > > index and press 'N' a few times. 2) Refresh the screen with '^L'. > > I've tried this on Pine v3.88 and while the hitting the 'N' key a few > times seems to work, when I refresh the screen with '^L' it doesnt seem > to do a mail check, I did this from the index screen. > > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) > | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach > | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server > finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 17:22:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14715; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:22:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24622; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:12:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tern.csulb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24616; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:12:53 -0800 Received: by tern.csulb.edu id AA18295 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:12:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: Terry Gray Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > The ^L new mail check was added in 3.89. Argh. I got Pine 3.88 all set up an then I find that 3.89 has the one feature my boss requested. :) Are there any other feature changes from 3.88 to 3.89, and when is the next version due out? I might just wait and set up the next version instead. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins VampLestat at FajitaDiku (R.I.P.) | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 17:39:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14816; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:39:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11177; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:32:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11171; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:32:55 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05242; Sun, 9 Jan 94 17:32:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Alias limit and re-syncing the folder To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Are there any other feature changes from 3.88 to 3.89, No, everthing else was a bug fix. (I'll append a list of the main ones from the release notes.) > and when is the next version due out? I might just wait and set up the > next version instead. Probably not before late March... -teg Pine 3.89 December 7, 1993 User-visible changes... - ^L side effect is new mail check Serious bug fixes... - /tmp file for sendmail has mode based on default umask - Pine loops to make infinitely long .pine-debug - Crash: "Bad msgno in mailfetchstructure" - Crash: "Bad msgno in mailelt" - INBOX index appears empty after Send - PC-Pine problem with folder name after "Goto" - Postpone: if canceled, attachment size displayed zero length - PC-Pine: WATTCP BOOTP ignores gateway, nameservers - Export: Reports success even after failed write ---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 18:24:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15037; Sun, 9 Jan 94 18:24:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24848; Sun, 9 Jan 94 18:14:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24842; Sun, 9 Jan 94 18:14:46 -0800 Received: by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3a_931226.03) id AA00168; Sun, 9 Jan 1994 21:14:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 21:14:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Crowley" Subject: Re: Update Disable ? To: Scott McWilliams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It will probably generate less traffic than my responding to this message. I'd suggest not to worry about it. Mike On Sun, 9 Jan 1994, Scott McWilliams wrote: > > We're planning on rolling out the 3.89 Pine in February to our hospital > users, but are leery of the network traffic as people experiment with the > Update option from the Setup menu. Is there any way to disable this? > > Thanks. > > ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: scott@bih.harvard.edu | > | Sysadmin, Postmaster | > | | > | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | > | Network Services | > | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | > | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | > | Boston, Mass. 02215 | > -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 9 23:25:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16754; Sun, 9 Jan 94 23:25:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13065; Sun, 9 Jan 94 23:18:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13059; Sun, 9 Jan 94 23:18:10 -0800 Received: from nlbull by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05713 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 08:17:58 +0100 Received: from localhost by wilg.bull.nl with SMTP (BULL 5.61++/Bull-NL-1.0.24-1.6) id AA20771; Mon, 10 Jan 94 07:11:21 GMT (MET) Message-Id: <9401100711.AA20771@wilg.bull.nl> To: Scott McWilliams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Update Disable ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jan 94 19:37:24 MET." Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 08:11:19 MET From: Jos Vos > We're planning on rolling out the 3.89 Pine in February to our hospital > users, but are leery of the network traffic as people experiment with the > Update option from the Setup menu. Is there any way to disable this? I agree with you that you should be able to disable it, either dynamically or statically (at compile-time). For Pine 3.87 (if I'm right) I made a patch to introduce a macro DISABLE_UPDATE. Compiling Pine with -DDISABLE_UPDATE then does what it says: disabling the update option (and the option has also disappeared from the menu). If people are interested I can mail it (but remember, it is for 3.87 and it may require some porting). -- -- Jos Vos (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos) -- Bull Netherlands, Professional Services, Amsterdam, The Netherlands From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 10 01:12:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17870; Mon, 10 Jan 94 01:12:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26484; Mon, 10 Jan 94 00:57:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26478; Mon, 10 Jan 94 00:57:07 -0800 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA12409 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:56:47 +1100 Received: from bushwire.apana.org.au (markd@bushwire.apana.org.au [192.188.107.58]) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA27772 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:56:35 +1100 Received: from localhost (markd@localhost) by bushwire.apana.org.au (8.6.5.Beta10/8.6.5.Beta10-bw1) id TAA09185; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:56:31 +1100 To: apana-lists-mail-pine@apana.org.au Path: not-for-mail From: markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany) Newsgroups: apana.lists.mail.pine Subject: Re: PGP and Pine Date: 10 Jan 1994 19:56:29 +1100 Organization: APANA regional feed site - Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <2gr57t$8uu@bushwire.apana.org.au> References: In hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu (Robert A. Hayden) writes: >> Has anyone attempted to get any other forms of encryption working with >> Pine, like RIPEM? I think the security of one's mail is becoming >> increasingly important as the net grows, and being able to sign my >> messages is nice, but I think we need to find a way to encrypt/decrypt on >> the fly. >I agree, I think it is important. But there are some very serious legal >issues that surround cryptography. Not only are there export controls, That may be true of the programs themselves, but surely not a framework within pine that allows one to transparently run such programs? M. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 10 13:38:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00990; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:38:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01875; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:28:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01869; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:28:49 -0800 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA18449; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:28:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: Sherry Lake Subject: FAQ Available To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a FAQ available for pine? Thanks ----- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 10 13:39:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01035; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:39:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22901; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:26:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22895; Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:26:03 -0800 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA18139; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:25:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: Sherry Lake Subject: User's Guide for pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a User's Guide for pine (other than the Pine Technical Notes)? Have other sites created their own documentation? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. ----- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 10 19:27:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08568; Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:27:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05204; Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:15:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05195; Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:14:31 -0800 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA17721 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:36:02 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (yarrina.connect.com.au [192.189.54.17]) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA06338 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:35:30 +1100 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA17641 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:33:51 +1100 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA20915 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for apana-lists-mail-pine@apana.org.au); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:33:49 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.48); id AA15119; Tue, 11 Jan 94 12:27:23 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA08124; Tue, 11 Jan 94 12:27:13 EST Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:27:12 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: PGP and Pine To: Mark Delany Cc: apana-lists-mail-pine@apana.org.au In-Reply-To: <2gr57t$8uu@bushwire.apana.org.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Jan 1994, Mark Delany wrote: > In hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu (Robert A. Hayden) writes: > > >> messages is nice, but I think we need to find a way to encrypt/decrypt on > >> the fly. > > >I agree, I think it is important. But there are some very serious legal > >issues that surround cryptography. Not only are there export controls, > > That may be true of the programs themselves, but surely not a > framework within pine that allows one to transparently run such > programs? Isn't it about time that the State Department or whoever it is recognised the stupidity of the export controls, which are unnecessary, and unenforceable anyway? Has there been any interest or progress in removing that obstacle? Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 03:51:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13216; Tue, 11 Jan 94 03:51:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02360; Tue, 11 Jan 94 03:40:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.swip.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02354; Tue, 11 Jan 94 03:40:38 -0800 Received: from localhost by mail.swip.net (8.6.4/2.01) id MAA27841; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:40:33 +0100 Received: by datan.sk.uppsala.se (4.1/Uppsala-930825-1) id AA22844; Tue, 11 Jan 94 12:06:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 12:06:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9401111106.AA22844@datan.sk.uppsala.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Klaus Zeuge To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Confused users -- moving of read messages At my SunOS 4.1.3 site, we want to move read messages from file /usr/spool/mail/$USER to file $HOME/mail/mailbox. To do this, the users file .pinerc holds read-message-folder=3Dmailbox This works, but the messages and prompts in connection with this confuses users. After having read a message (which was in folder "INBOX", ie file /usr/spool/mail/$USER), and quiting Pine, the user is asked whether to save the read messages to folder "mailbox". The user answers "y" and the messages are copied. Next, Pine asks the user whether the user wants to expunge the DELETED messages from folder "INBOX". This is what confuses the users. "What? I haven't deleted any messages!". Wouldn't it be better if the operation was -- instead of "save and delete" -- presented as a "move" with an implicit delete and expunge of the moved messages? As an alternative, it might be better to ask the user first about the save, then about a deletion of the saved messages and last about an expunge of the deleted messages. And no, setting feature-list=3Dauto-move-read-msgs doesn't help, as this only controls whether the user is asked about the save of the messages to folder "mailbox", not whether the user is asked about the expunge. /Klaus PS As a warning, don't try putting read-message-folder=3Dinbox in the .pinerc file as the folder menu treats both "inbox" and "INBOX" as aliases for the file /usr/spool/mail/$USER -- even if the file $HOME/mail/inbox exists. On the other hand, SAVING to folder "inbox", copies the message to the file $HOME/mail/inbox. As you understand, the result is a bunch of users who can't find their previous read messages, thinking their messages are lost ... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 05:44:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14338; Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:44:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07962; Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:19:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hermes.acs.ryerson.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07956; Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:19:42 -0800 Received: by hermes.acs.ryerson.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32565; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 08:19:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 08:19:02 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Re: Confused users -- moving of read messages To: Klaus Zeuge Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9401111106.AA22844@datan.sk.uppsala.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > At my SunOS 4.1.3 site, we want to move read messages from file > /usr/spool/mail/$USER to file $HOME/mail/mailbox. To do this, the You could also create a mail.TxT file in their home directory, this will suck the mail out of spool into their home, but to the user it will all be a part of the "INBOX". /P From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 12:26:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22669; Tue, 11 Jan 94 12:26:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08936; Tue, 11 Jan 94 11:56:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from herald.usask.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08930; Tue, 11 Jan 94 11:56:26 -0800 Received: from skurvy.usask.ca by herald.usask.ca (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06690; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:56:23 -0600 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 13:55:58 PST From: Darryl Friesen Reply-To: Darryl Friesen Subject: Q: Can I print to LPT3 with PC-Pine 3.89 To: Pine Mailing List X-Sender: friesend@herald Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Is is possible to use LPT2 or LPT3 with PC-Pine 3.89? The reason I ask is that we have a number of network print queues available on each machine, and LPT1 is not always a text queue (ie. on some machines LPT1 is connected to a postscript only, or a local postacript printer). Thanx - Darryl -------------------------------------------------------------- Darryl Friesen | Client Services Darryl.Friesen@usask.ca | Department of Computing Services friesend@herald.usask.ca | University of Saskatchewan -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 14:27:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25833; Tue, 11 Jan 94 14:27:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12574; Tue, 11 Jan 94 14:03:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12568; Tue, 11 Jan 94 14:03:30 -0800 Received: by redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09423; Tue, 11 Jan 94 14:31:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 14:27:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Reply-To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine (fwd) To: slake@mason1.gmu.edu Cc: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Sherry, I post a old mail..... I hope help you... bye... /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /############ System Manager from Microvax 3400 System /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing ### ### ### National University of Mexico ### ########## ### ### ### ### ================================================= ### ##/ ### ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet #######/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 15:09:19 GMT From:Barbara.Smith@durham.ac.uk To: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Cc: jness@edu.umn.d.ua, colinj@umich.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Documentation for Pine (fwd) > From Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 19:27:21 1993 > Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by vega.dur.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 93 19:27:11 GMT > > You neglected to mention that this documentation is based on PINE 3.05! > If anyone redoes this for the current releases, I would be grateful! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have a set of Course Notes, recently updated to be applicable to version 3.8* of Pine. The document has been produced using Interleaf, and contains screen displays (but these are text, not screen dumps). I can supply a hard copy, a PostScript file, the Interleaf file, an rtf version (produced by Interleaf, readable by Word), and a plain text version to anyone who wants one. The files are available via ftp to deneb.dur.ac.uk, in the directory pub/Documents/Pine. The Interleaf files are in a subdirectory of Pine, called Interleaf. Access deneb using the username 'anonymous' Barbara Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. B.L. Smith Email: Barbara.Smith@durham.ac.uk Information Technology Service, Phone: (091 or +44 91) 374 2873 University of Durham, Secretary: (091 or +44 91) 374 2892 Science Laboratories Fax: (091 or +44 91) 374 3741 South Road, DURHAM, DH1 3LE UK From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 16:26:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28700; Tue, 11 Jan 94 16:26:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13919; Tue, 11 Jan 94 16:17:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13909; Tue, 11 Jan 94 16:17:10 -0800 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA14449 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:16:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:16:55 -0800 (GMT-0800) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: Confused users -- moving of read messages To: Paul Ribeiro Cc: Klaus Zeuge , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, Paul Ribeiro wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > > At my SunOS 4.1.3 site, we want to move read messages from file > > /usr/spool/mail/$USER to file $HOME/mail/mailbox. To do this, the > You could also create a mail.TxT file in their home directory, this > will suck the mail out of spool into their home, but to the user > it will all be a part of the "INBOX". I've also done a small mod to the code suggested by the Pine team that does basically the same thing but uses ~/mbox. I think the mail.TxT is a different mailbox format, isnt it? _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 21:57:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02553; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:57:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15996; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:48:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15990; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:48:01 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04329; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:47:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 21:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Results of "Y Print" survey To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is long overdue; sorry... (For those new to this list: "Y Print" is not viewed as one of our very best user-interface design decisions because "Y" is also a frequent response to Pine's (y/n) prompts, so last month we asked for feedback on which of several alternatives we should pursue...) I have reviewed all of the responses to the survey on what to do about the "Y" key. Eliminating any votes from the Pine team, here are the results: 1. "Do nothing" got 13 first choice responses, including two that indicated they were based on a survey of their users. (One said all 149 of his users preferred no change, but he personally would prefer to change.) 2. "Use K" got 3 first choice responses. 3. "Use %" got 8 first choice responses, including one that said "if a change is needed, I prefer %", so this one might actually be a vote for no change. 4. "Make it an option" got 0 first choice responses. Plus there were two impassioned pleas to go back to using L for print, one suggestion to make everything configurable, one to go to two-character commands (which we have in some cases via subcommands) and one request to do a thorough review and one massive change to make everything more consistent --which is of course what we thought we were doing this past spring :( So the status quo appears to be the outcome preferred by a clear majority as far as I can tell. That result was consistent with the feedback we got from our own UW support folks. Accordingly, we will continue to use Y for Print. However, as suggested in several messages to the list, we will change the nomenclature from "Y Print" to "Y prYnt" to emphasize the relationship. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 11 22:13:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02739; Tue, 11 Jan 94 22:13:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16042; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:57:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16036; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:57:19 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10129; Tue, 11 Jan 94 21:57:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 21:57:12 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Confused users -- moving of read messages To: VampLestat Cc: Paul Ribeiro , Klaus Zeuge , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Correct, mail.TxT is Tenex format which is not compatible with other mail tools (including text editors ;) However, it can be a very big win if you have a memory-constrained system. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, Paul Ribeiro wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > > > At my SunOS 4.1.3 site, we want to move read messages from file > > > /usr/spool/mail/$USER to file $HOME/mail/mailbox. To do this, the > > You could also create a mail.TxT file in their home directory, this > > will suck the mail out of spool into their home, but to the user > > it will all be a part of the "INBOX". > > I've also done a small mod to the code suggested by the Pine team that > does basically the same thing but uses ~/mbox. I think the mail.TxT is a > different mailbox format, isnt it? > > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu > | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach > | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server > finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 12 03:29:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07133; Wed, 12 Jan 94 03:29:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17779; Wed, 12 Jan 94 03:16:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17773; Wed, 12 Jan 94 03:16:29 -0800 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = ph10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #111) id m0pK3Yn-000BzIC; Wed, 12 Jan 94 11:16 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 11:16:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Hazel Subject: smtp-server= To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1147 A suggestion to the Pine Team: We've just uncovered an uncomfortable trap. A user who had been using PC-Pine logged onto our Unix system and wanted to use Pine there. He naturally copied his pinerc file from the PC to the Unix system. The problem was, it contained smtp-server= which caused behaviour that we don't want; we want all mail sent on the Unix system to go through sendmail (= smail, actually). Would it be possible to have an option in the system pinerc that said "don't take any notice of smtp-server settings in users' pinerc files"? In fact, we'd appreciate a more general facility whereby we could give a list of options that users were not allowed to change. (Have I suggested this before?) As well as a general Unix system, we also have a "mail-only" system, and currently have to hack Pine on that system to prevent users escaping via the alternate editor and printer configuration options. Regards, Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 12 05:41:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09430; Wed, 12 Jan 94 05:41:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18628; Wed, 12 Jan 94 05:17:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stonewall.sph.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18622; Wed, 12 Jan 94 05:17:40 -0800 Received: from appomattox.sph.umich.edu by sph.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA13524; Wed, 12 Jan 94 08:15:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 08:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: "James R. Kenyon" Subject: re: smtp-server= To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Philip Hazel's suggestion to make certain configurable fields only configurable at the system-wide level sounds *great* to me -- it would cut down on user questions here as people often get themselves into trouble messing around with their PC-PINE configuration (and, to a lesser extent, UNIX .pinerc). -jk >ph ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >ph From: Philip Hazel >ph Subject: smtp-server= >ph A suggestion to the Pine Team: ....stuff deleted........ >ph In fact, we'd appreciate a more general facility whereby we could give >ph a list of options that users were not allowed to change. (Have I >ph suggested this before?) As well as a general Unix system, we also have >ph a "mail-only" system, and currently have to hack Pine on that system to >ph prevent users escaping via the alternate editor and printer configuration >ph options. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 13 09:35:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11139; Thu, 13 Jan 94 09:35:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12740; Thu, 13 Jan 94 09:08:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12734; Thu, 13 Jan 94 09:08:10 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <10429-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:07:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 17:07:29 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: 2 PINE 3.89 problems To: Pine Info List X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I reported these two bugs to pine-bugs today. I wonder if other people have experienced them, and if the collective wisdom of the group might shed some light on the circumstances? Both symptoms have occurred also with earlier releases of PINE. 1. Lost data in messages copied to folders. I only see this very rarely, and when it happens it seems that the body of the message (everything except the Berkeley header) vanishes. This shows in the index as a line with blank data, and an empty message (no header or anything) when trying to read the data. Whenever I have spotted this quickly enough, I know that there was once genuine data, and it has certainly genuinely disappeared (so it is not a phantom header effect). My most recent case I detected today, but seems to have occurred on Dec 15 (the gap is between two messages on that day). I installed 3.89 on Dec 8 (so the effect must be in 3.89). 2. "Blob"s Files whose name is "blob" (the non ascii character which looks like a square) appear in directories. This appears to happen quite reliably in some circumstances, and not at all in others. Thes effect seems to be highly environmentally dependent; the member of my staff who tripped over it, can trigger it from any seat on our Novell Net, and from his desktop (which remote boots from the Net), but not from my desktop PC, which is locally booted. Conversely, if I move to the Network, I can provoke the effect, but I cannot while I stay using my desktop machine! I have so far not been able to isolate what feature of the environment is the one that differs critically in the two cases. The circumstances reported that cause a failure (when conditions are right!) are: ------------------------- Running pine from outside the root directory, opening a folder and quitting creates a blob. This blob is of various sizes, the smallest being 4096. Sometimes, when quitting, there is a long delay followed by a "Bug in Pine detected: 'Can't write index cache in resize' message. The blob has then used up all the remaining filespace (7MB in one case). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 01:54:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28694; Fri, 14 Jan 94 01:54:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25628; Fri, 14 Jan 94 01:47:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25622; Fri, 14 Jan 94 01:47:01 -0800 Received: from march.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:46:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:46:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Ross Wakelin Subject: c-client windows library To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Received: from march.co.uk by march.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:46 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 518 Hi all, Has anyone, or is anyone, worked (working) on a c-client.dll over winsock for MS windows (or workgroups). If not it seems as if I will start spending a month of sundays taking the dos pc-pine ports and trying to shoehorn them into a dll. Thanks Ross Wakelin r.wakelin@march.co.uk Open Systems Director or ..mcsun!uknet!uknet!march!rossw March Systems Consultancy Ltd +44 734 845 399 or rossw@manuka.demon.co.uk at home PGP signature available From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 09:34:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05834; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:34:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00180; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:17:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from planecrash.Berkeley.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00172; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:17:49 -0800 Received: by planecrash.berkeley.edu (5.65c/CHAOS) id AA06006; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:17:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Kuo Subject: UNIX-BINARIES To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone: I got one problem. If the system is IBM ES9000/ Model 480 running AIX 2.2, what kind of unix-binaries I should use or what I should do to run pine on this system? Thanks for any suggestion! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 09:36:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05879; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:36:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00137; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:15:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00130; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:15:49 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <01387-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 14 Jan 1994 17:15:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 17:00:40 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: PINE PC/Unix compatability and PCNFS (fwd) To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I sent this message to pine-bugs but I'm told pine-info is a good place to send to as others may have simialr experience/workarounds/whatever ============================================================================== We are trying to set up PC Pine to be compatible with the Unix hosted version already in wide use at this site. PINE's use of IMAP thus using the same mailboxes by the PC and Unix hosts does of course make the two flavours broadly compatible, and as users here usually mount their home directories with PC-NFS I have been investigating to what extent the .signature and .addressbook files can be kept in common between versions. I find that both PC (v3.89) and Unix (v3.88) PINE are happy with either DOS or Unix format .signature files, so provided that the names specified in the .pinerc and PINERC files are compatible (i.e. Unix filenames map into DOS filenames without being mangled by PCNFS) then this file can be common to both types of PINE. I find that likewise both flavours of PINE are happy with either format of address book file, and again provided the names are compatible this would seem to allow this file to be shared between versions: unfortunately however when editing the address book file the DOS version of PINE gives an error: Error updating address book: Cross-device link - and on exit from PINE, the file has been deleted! Oddly this only seems to happen when the address book file is in the 'root' directory of the NFS-mounted drive (whether this is the user's home directory or not): if the file is in a subdirectory of the NFS-mounted drive, or the root directory of a real disk or of a SUBSTed drive it is OK. PC-NFS version is 5.00, and the filesystems tried have been an Auspex fileserver and a Sun SPARCStation IPX. Possibly the problem is with PC-NFS, hence the copy to the CHEST-PCNFS list - has anyone seen similar funnies with PC-NFS-mounted files? John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 10:03:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07113; Fri, 14 Jan 94 10:03:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01101; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:53:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01095; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:53:37 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10417; Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:53:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: UNIX-BINARIES To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Henry, We do not supply pre-compiled binaries for AIX, except on the RS/6000. You should get the source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) and build the "aix" version. Note that we no longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality. I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > > Hi everyone: > > I got one problem. If the system is IBM ES9000/ Model 480 running AIX > 2.2, what kind of unix-binaries I should use or what I should do to run > pine on this system? > > Thanks for any suggestion! > > > =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 10:57:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08655; Fri, 14 Jan 94 10:57:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02252; Fri, 14 Jan 94 10:44:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02240; Fri, 14 Jan 94 10:44:26 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10722; Fri, 14 Jan 94 10:43:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 10:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: c-client windows library To: Ross Wakelin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ross, We had actually hoped that all the *shoehorning* was done to create the *DOS* port, and moving to a DLL would be *easy* by comparison :) Seriously, porting not just c-client, but all of Pine, to a Winsock/Windows* environment is a very important project to us, but we haven't had any resources to commit just yet. That could change soon, however. If you think it makes any sense to try to collaborate, let's discuss by separate email. -teg * Initially we intend to port the existing character-based Pine to Windows without changing the interface to a GUI. After that, we'll look at whether it makes sense to embark on a "WinPine" GUI version... On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Ross Wakelin wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Has anyone, or is anyone, worked (working) on a c-client.dll over winsock > for MS windows (or workgroups). > > If not it seems as if I will start spending a month of sundays taking the > dos pc-pine ports and trying to shoehorn them into a dll. > > Thanks > > Ross Wakelin r.wakelin@march.co.uk > Open Systems Director or ..mcsun!uknet!uknet!march!rossw > March Systems Consultancy Ltd +44 734 845 399 > or rossw@manuka.demon.co.uk at home PGP signature available > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 11:23:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09181; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:23:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02655; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:03:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02649; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:03:43 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10914; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:03:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 11:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: UNIX-BINARIES To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I should have been a bit more clear about the status of the AIX ports. We *do* actively support Pine running under AIX 3.2 on the IBM RS/6000 platform. This is the "a32" port of pine and corresponds to the pine-bin.aix32 and pico-bin.aix32 pre-compiled binaries in the mail/UNIX-BINARIES directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu. We no longer have access to AIX on our IBM 9000 and thus cannot provide direct support for that platform. This is the "aix" port of pine. We will continue to distribute the "aix" port and incorporate patches from outside contributors on a best-effort basis. I am sorry about any confusion/panic this might have caused! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Henry, > > We do not supply pre-compiled binaries for AIX, except on the RS/6000. > You should get the source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z on > ftp.cac.washington.edu) and build the "aix" version. Note that we no > longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality. > > I hope that helps! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > I got one problem. If the system is IBM ES9000/ Model 480 running AIX > > 2.2, what kind of unix-binaries I should use or what I should do to run > > pine on this system? > > > > Thanks for any suggestion! > > > > > > =Henry= > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 11:32:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09534; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:32:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03075; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:21:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tern.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03069; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:21:07 -0800 Received: by tern.csulb.edu id AA06456 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Fri, 14 Jan 1994 11:21:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 11:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: attached-to-ansi printing To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A professor here is attempting to print out her mail on her local printer without success. Pine apparently ships off the message and indicates that the message has been printed, but with no results. She is trying this from a Mac running Kermit to a HP Deskwriter C. Pine is version 3.88. Does attached to ansi function properly with Kermit and this printer? _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 11:55:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10234; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:55:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12798; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:44:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12792; Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:44:45 -0800 Received: from banzai.UUCP by sadye.emba.uvm.edu with UUCP id AA15273 (5.65/1.23); Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:44:31 -0500 Received: from godzilla.PCC.COM by banzai.PCC.COM with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0pKuS9-0000wlC; Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:45 EST Received: by godzilla.PCC.COM (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0pKuPk-0000JnC; Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:42 EST Message-Id: From: jay%banzai.pcc.com@sadye.EMBA.UVM.EDU (Jay Schuster) Subject: Re: UNIX-BINARIES (and questions) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Pine List) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:42:36 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "David L Miller" at Jan 14, 94 9:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] David L Miller writes: > We do not supply pre-compiled binaries for AIX, except on the RS/6000. > You should get the source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z on > ftp.cac.washington.edu) and build the "aix" version. Note that we no > longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality. Well, I just recently downloaded it, and its quality seems to be excellent. I saw Pine in action at the University of Vermont, where they just put everyone on the net. Helping a friend use it who only had Macintosh experience convinced me that this was an excellent mail system, one I could teach without ever having seen it before, and one he could use knowing very little. I'd like to give our users here the option to use Pine. Now for *my* questions. I'm new to this list, so if there's an FAQ that answers these questions, just refer me to it. We use mostly Elm here, and are looking into Pine because it's seems easier to learn to use, and because the header editor is incorporated into the message editor. But I have Elm prejudices: 1. When my .signature is included, how do I get the standard `-- ' placed above it (or do I have to place this in my .signature file? 2. I'd like included text (from replies, or for forwards) to be prefixed with a fixed string (like `> '). Can I do this in pine, I've read the FM, and I don't see a configuration option for it. 3. In .pinerc, when inbox-path is left empty, pine doesn't look at the MAIL environment variable for the mailbox; it always assumes it is in /usr/spool/mail (or /usr/mail, presumably). I can easily override this with `inbox-path=$MAIL', so it's not a big deal, it just surprised me. 4. The remarks about being able to get around being prompted for username and password each time you connect to an imapd imply that it can be made to use the rsh authentication. It's not too clear on how to set this up (just make a link to rimapd, but don't I need to put rimapd in /etc/inetd.conf instead of imapd?). In any case, it doesn't seem to work here. At first I thought it was maybe because I don't have a .rhosts (we use hosts.equiv), but creating one didn't help. 5. As a note to concurrent Elm users -- Pine rewrites your mailbox, adding X-Status: headers to old messages. If you are in Elm and Pine simultaneously, Elm will think the mailbox is corrupt the next time it looks at it after Pine changes it. I understand why Pine does this, and Elm (2.3PL11) wasn't written to allow concurrent mailbox changes. 6. In Pico, is there any key sequence that will get me to the beginning or end of the document? Or a way to prefix numbers to commands so I don't have to hit ^V a dozen times? Am I being too picky? Pico is a *great* editor for first time users. The built-in help, auto word-wrap (with a way to disable it!) makes it easy for novices to change UNIXy things. -- Jay Schuster uunet!uvm-gen!banzai!jay, attmail!banzai!jay The People's Computer Company `Revolutionary Programming' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 13:17:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12045; Fri, 14 Jan 94 13:17:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04817; Fri, 14 Jan 94 12:55:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04810; Fri, 14 Jan 94 12:55:19 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11595; Fri, 14 Jan 94 12:55:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: UNIX-BINARIES (and questions) To: Jay Schuster Cc: Pine List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII See my comments below. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Jay Schuster wrote: > David L Miller writes: > > We do not supply pre-compiled binaries for AIX, except on the RS/6000. > > You should get the source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z on > > ftp.cac.washington.edu) and build the "aix" version. Note that we no > > longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality. > > Well, I just recently downloaded it, and its quality seems to be excellent. > Glad to hear it! > I saw Pine in action at the University of Vermont, where they just put > everyone on the net. Helping a friend use it who only had Macintosh > experience convinced me that this was an excellent mail system, one > I could teach without ever having seen it before, and one he could use > knowing very little. > > I'd like to give our users here the option to use Pine. > > Now for *my* questions. > > I'm new to this list, so if there's an FAQ that answers these questions, > just refer me to it. We use mostly Elm here, and are looking into Pine > because it's seems easier to learn to use, and because the header editor > is incorporated into the message editor. But I have Elm prejudices: > > 1. When my .signature is included, how do I get the standard `-- ' > placed above it (or do I have to place this in my .signature file? > You have to include it in the .signature file. > 2. I'd like included text (from replies, or for forwards) to be > prefixed with a fixed string (like `> '). Can I do this in pine, > I've read the FM, and I don't see a configuration option for it. > Replies get '> ', forwards do not. This is not currently configurable, but is on the list for consideration in the spring release. > 3. In .pinerc, when inbox-path is left empty, pine doesn't look at > the MAIL environment variable for the mailbox; it always assumes > it is in /usr/spool/mail (or /usr/mail, presumably). I can > easily override this with `inbox-path=$MAIL', so it's not a big > deal, it just surprised me. > Correct. The default location is set in the OS-dependent includes to be the "usual location" for a particular OS. This can be overridden per system in the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. The objective is to reduce surprise for novice users who probably do not know about the MAIL variable. > 4. The remarks about being able to get around being prompted for > username and password each time you connect to an imapd imply > that it can be made to use the rsh authentication. It's not > too clear on how to set this up (just make a link to rimapd, > but don't I need to put rimapd in /etc/inetd.conf instead of > imapd?). In any case, it doesn't seem to work here. At first > I thought it was maybe because I don't have a .rhosts (we use > hosts.equiv), but creating one didn't help. > If you make an rsh connection, you are not going through inetd and therefore do not need an entry in inetd.conf for rimapd. To test rimapd, just execute "rsh host /etc/rimapd". You should get something like * PREAUTH shivafs.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.6(74) at Fri, 14 Jan 1994 12:49:28 -0800 (PST) To exit rimapd, use "* logout" > 5. As a note to concurrent Elm users -- Pine rewrites your mailbox, > adding X-Status: headers to old messages. If you are in Elm and > Pine simultaneously, Elm will think the mailbox is corrupt the next > time it looks at it after Pine changes it. I understand why Pine > does this, and Elm (2.3PL11) wasn't written to allow concurrent > mailbox changes. > > 6. In Pico, is there any key sequence that will get me to the beginning > or end of the document? Or a way to prefix numbers to commands > so I don't have to hit ^V a dozen times? Am I being too picky? > Not yet. > Pico is a *great* editor for first time users. The built-in help, auto > word-wrap (with a way to disable it!) makes it easy for novices to change > UNIXy things. > Thank you! > -- > Jay Schuster uunet!uvm-gen!banzai!jay, attmail!banzai!jay > The People's Computer Company `Revolutionary Programming' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 14 15:22:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14968; Fri, 14 Jan 94 15:22:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07206; Fri, 14 Jan 94 15:07:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07200; Fri, 14 Jan 94 15:07:13 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15842; Fri, 14 Jan 94 15:07:08 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 15:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: y/n/^C To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > So where the ^C would be a useful option it is unavailable and > where ^C is available it is confusing. But that's just one user's view. Well put; I agree. Please allow users to abort the Q(uit) command. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 15 09:52:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26948; Sat, 15 Jan 94 09:52:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20672; Sat, 15 Jan 94 09:37:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from planecrash.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20666; Sat, 15 Jan 94 09:37:51 -0800 Received: by planecrash.berkeley.edu (5.65c/CHAOS) id AA11906; Sat, 15 Jan 1994 09:37:48 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 09:37:45 -0800 (PST) From: Henry Kuo Subject: Re: UNIX-BINARIES To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, David L Miller wrote: > We *do* actively support Pine running under AIX 3.2 on the IBM RS/6000 > will continue to distribute the "aix" port and incorporate patches from > outside contributors on a best-effort basis. Therefore, if I have pine-bin.aix32, where and how can I get the incorporate patches of IBM ES9000 Model 480 running AIX 2.2? Thanks!! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 16 18:39:02 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09452; Sun, 16 Jan 94 18:39:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26086; Sun, 16 Jan 94 18:17:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nwnexus.wa.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26080; Sun, 16 Jan 94 18:17:25 -0800 Received: from locus.halcyon.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA10902 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 16 Jan 1994 18:17:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 18:17:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199401170217.AA10902@nwnexus.wa.com> X-Sender: ralphs@halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Pine for Winsock? X-Mailer: Well, now that I have Winsock up and flying, and Eudora's working as well as can be expected, I'm ready for pine. Is there a version out to work with the Trumpet Winsock v.18 Alpha things? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 16 19:40:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09743; Sun, 16 Jan 94 19:40:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28038; Sun, 16 Jan 94 19:23:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28032; Sun, 16 Jan 94 19:23:14 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24714; Sun, 16 Jan 94 19:23:08 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 19:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Pine for Winsock? To: Ralph Sims Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199401170217.AA10902@nwnexus.wa.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not yet, but it is definitely a goal. -teg On Sun, 16 Jan 1994, Ralph Sims wrote: > Well, now that I have Winsock up and flying, and Eudora's working > as well as can be expected, I'm ready for pine. Is there a version > out to work with the Trumpet Winsock v.18 Alpha things? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 01:28:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12644; Mon, 17 Jan 94 01:28:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28621; Mon, 17 Jan 94 01:16:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28615; Mon, 17 Jan 94 01:16:55 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08105-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 09:16:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 09:19:39 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: y/n/^C To: Pine User Group , Mike Ramey X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > > So where the ^C would be a useful option it is unavailable and > > where ^C is available it is confusing. But that's just one user's view. > > Well put; I agree. Please allow users to abort the Q(uit) command. -mr > And for PC-PINE can we have the ESCAPE key do the same as ^C, as that's a common DOSsy way of doing things? John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 02:52:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13421; Mon, 17 Jan 94 02:52:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29754; Mon, 17 Jan 94 02:41:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29748; Mon, 17 Jan 94 02:41:35 -0800 Received: from cfd.mech.unsw.OZ.AU by usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA14589 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:41:42 +1100 Received: by cfd.mech.unsw.OZ.AU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12459; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:40:31 +1000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:40:30 +1000 (EET) From: Eddie Leonardi Subject: Using ^^ to mark lines To: Pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Sirs, I have recently started to use Pine 3.89 and am having problems using the mark text command "^^". This us used by our network switch to suspend a given work session and put the user back to the switch. Is there some other command which can also be used to mark text or is it possible to redefine this command?? Regards Eddie *--------------------------------------------------------* | Associate Professor Eddie Leonardi | | School of Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering | | The University of New South Wales | | P.O. Box 1, Kensington, N.S.W., AUSTRALIA 2033 | | | | E-mail: E.Leonardi@unsw.edu.au ; Fax: (+61 2) 663 1222 | | Phone: Work: (+61 2) 697 4252 ; Home: (+61 2) 646 2568 | *--------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 03:16:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13835; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:16:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29881; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:06:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29875; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:06:16 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA12007; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 06:05:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 06:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: Using ^^ to mark lines To: Eddie Leonardi Cc: Pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you are using a Cisco terminal server, just press ^^ twice in a row. If you are using a 3COM or Data General terminal server, you can redefine the "ECMC" character to something else. For example: set privilige level to global and then redefine for each port with a terminal on it. > set pri=g Password: whatever > setd (!1) ecmc=^\ Note ... type out the chars ^ and \ above, don't use CTRL-\ If you are just a "common" user on a 3COM term server, log in, then first time you press ^^ and go to the term server prompt, enter the command "set ecmc=^\" and then "resume" and you are back into business. On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Eddie Leonardi wrote: > I have recently started to use Pine 3.89 and am having problems using > the mark text command "^^". This us used by our network switch to suspend > a given work session and put the user back to the switch. Is there some > other command which can also be used to mark text or is it possible to > redefine this command?? > > Regards > Eddie > > *--------------------------------------------------------* > | Associate Professor Eddie Leonardi | > | School of Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering | > | The University of New South Wales | > | P.O. Box 1, Kensington, N.S.W., AUSTRALIA 2033 | > | | > | E-mail: E.Leonardi@unsw.edu.au ; Fax: (+61 2) 663 1222 | > | Phone: Work: (+61 2) 697 4252 ; Home: (+61 2) 646 2568 | > *--------------------------------------------------------* > > Ken Weaverling weave@dtcc.edu |*| Manager of Computer Services |*| Wilmington: +1 302 573-5460 Stanton/Wilmington Campuses of |*| Stanton: +1 302 454-3978 Delaware Technical & Community College |*| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 03:20:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13895; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:20:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29252; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:08:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29244; Mon, 17 Jan 94 03:08:30 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <14696-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:08:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:06:16 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: y/n/^C To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > And the one place where one *needs* this feature, I think it > still is unavailable. I have sometimes asked to quit pine and then > immediately realized I didn't want to. At that point I am given the Actually, this is subject to the "quit-without-confirm" option, so I presume you have this set (possibly because you have "old-growth"). Without that option you get asked "do you really want to leave pine y/n". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 10:44:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17553; Mon, 17 Jan 94 10:44:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01962; Mon, 17 Jan 94 10:25:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01956; Mon, 17 Jan 94 10:25:31 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02075; Mon, 17 Jan 94 10:30:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Add a address to a list? To: Pine Info Group Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I want to take a address from the incoming message, and add to a mail list which alrealy have several address. Could anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you in advance. Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 11:38:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17916; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:38:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02822; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:24:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02816; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:24:25 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08457-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 19:23:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 19:26:44 GMT From: John Stumbles Reply-To: John Stumbles Subject: PC/UNIX PINE compatability (cont'd) To: Pine Mission Control , Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Further to me previous postings about this: I said both (PC and Unix) versions of Pine seem happy with either DOS or Unix format for address book and signature files. However I have seen today a funny with the Unix version of Pine (v3.88) with a DOS format address book file: the first column (nicknames) displays only parts of some entries, until the cursor has run over the entry, and then it gets filled in. Once the entry has paged off the screen and back on it has gaps again. E.g.: ed Bloggs, Fred f.bloggs a ur Daley, Arthur a.daley@lockup.peckham g d Deity, The s.being@heaven and after the cursor has been down the page: fred Bloggs, Fred f.bloggs arthur Daley, Arthur a.daley@lockup.peckham god Deity, The s.being@heaven etc - get the idea? With the DOS version of Pine reading a Unix format file everything is OK. I also noted that the Unix Pine doesn't change the format of the address book file when it edits it, but the DOS version re-writes a Unix format file in DOS format when any changes are made. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 11:40:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17999; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:40:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02862; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:28:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02856; Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:27:58 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08897-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 19:27:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 19:30:46 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: more bugs To: Pine User Group , Pine Mission Control X-Warning: UNAuthenticated Sender Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When trying to use PC pine to access a mailbox on a machine that probably doesn't have the IMAP daemon running (I thought it did!) Pine bombed out with an error: run-time error R6000 - stack overflow and when I started it up again it complained that it could not find a packet driver (and TRYPKTD - which comes with NuPOP - agreed). PC PINE V3.89 John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18459; Mon, 17 Jan 94 12:37:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03306; Mon, 17 Jan 94 12:28:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03300; Mon, 17 Jan 94 12:28:37 -0800 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <70438-4>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 15:28:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 15:24:37 -0500 From: Andy Poling Subject: Re: Update Disable ? To: "Michael A. Crowley" Cc: Scott McWilliams , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Jan 1994, Michael A. Crowley wrote: > It will probably generate less traffic than my responding > to this message. I'd suggest not to worry about it. Does this mean that it is somewhat clever (i.e. it checks to see if an update is necessary before doing it)? -Andy PS: Does the latest version of pico do an idlok() or the equivalent? The version with 3.05 is maddeningly slow when it keeps re-drawing everything each time I delete a line... Andy Poling Internet: andy@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu UNIX Systems Programmer Bitnet: ANDY@JHUNIX Homewood Academic Computing Voice: (410)516-8096 Johns Hopkins University UUCP: uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!andy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19068; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:30:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03848; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:16:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03842; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:16:30 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <12950-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:16:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:19:05 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: PCpine 3.89 newsreading bomb To: Pine Mission Control , Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII PC Pine 3.89, when asked to read remote news folder, bombs with error: 421 SMTP connection went away and PC reboots! John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 13:55:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19254; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:55:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04057; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:45:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04051; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:45:12 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13444-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:44:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 21:47:49 GMT From: John Stumbles Reply-To: John Stumbles Subject: PC/Unix compatability (again!) To: Pine Mission Control , Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I was wrong about another aspect of the compatability between Unix and PC versions: mailboxes - other than INBOX - do not seem to be readable by Unix pine 3.88 when they have been written by PC Pine 3.89. This is of course a case where the PC-written mailboxes are in DOS file format, and Unix Pine (presumably) expects Unix file format. Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here? I assumed that the point of PC-PINE using IMAP was to allow it to manipulate the same mailboxes that the native Unix Pine does, and so allow users to switch seamlessly between one implementation and another. The more-or-less compatability between the two versions in reading signature and address book files strengthened my assumption that this was one of the design criteria of PINE. In an academic environment this holds out the promise that the user can normally use the PC based version, but when away from base can log in over the network and use the Unix hosted version and still have the same environment, including access to their mail folders, address book etc. This seems like a very important potential benefit, and a reason for choosing Pine rather than NuPOP, Eudora, PC-ELM, Lifeline or whatever. Am I wrong about the design philosophy, or is it just buggy? Or is it the difference in versions? Unfortunately I'm not sysadmin of the unix box so I can't up the Unix version to match the DOS one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking PINE, I like it: it's straightforward to use and fairly easy to set up - not what I'd say about the others. (And I _love_ the postpone composition feature!) I'd just like to know what it's _supposed_ to do, and have it do it! :-) BTW, this is all with the packet-driver version of PC Pine. I tried the PCNFS version and it didn't run (I forget why - I think it said it couldn't find its IMAP server). It didn't have any documentation on how to set up the PCNFS version, and the Packet Driver version worked so I've stuck with it. Can anyone tell me how to get the PCNFS ver. working? John Stumbles Reading University j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 14:49:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19805; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:49:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03104; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:39:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03098; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:39:31 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA03985; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:39:22 -0800 Received: from localhost by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA25256; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:39:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 14:31:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: PC/Unix compatability (again!) To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine Mission Control , Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII If you are using IMAP from PC Pine and not the local DOS filesystem, then PC Pine and UNIX Pine are completely compatible. If you are using the local DOS filesystem to store mailboxes from PC Pine, the file formats have two differences. One difference is in newline convention; the other is in the representation of timezones. UNIX Pine 3.90 will be capable of reading the mailboxes written by PC Pine on the local DOS filesystem, with the addition of a new UNIX MTX driver that parallels the local file driver on DOS. PC Pine will also be able to read Unix Pine mailboxes in ``MTX'' format (but not other UNIX Pine format mailboxes -- Unix Pine presently is capable of supporting nearly 1/2 dozen different formats of mail. DOS lacks the address space to have such extensive support). We do not, however, recommend using PC Pine to read mailboxes that reside on a UNIX server through filesystem operations (e.g. through NFS or Novell) instead of IMAP. This is because UNIX-based mailboxes require some rather complex locking operations which are unavailable on DOS. Access will work, but the protection afforded by this locking would be missing. IMAP addresses these problems, and is the recommended solution. There will be external standalone programs to convert mailboxes between different formats. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 17 14:50:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19830; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:50:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03136; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:41:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03130; Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:41:38 -0800 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #114) id m0pM2dc-000BzNC; Mon, 17 Jan 94 22:41 GMT Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #110) id m0pM2dc-0004Y8C; Mon, 17 Jan 94 22:41 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 22:41:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Add a address to a list? To: Sharon Deng Cc: Pine Info Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII use the Take option to create a new alias from the address in the incoming message. Then return to the main menu, and enter the Addressbook; locate the mail list, and add the new alias to that list. On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Sharon Deng wrote: > Hi, > I want to take a address from the incoming message, and add to a mail > list which alrealy have several address. Could anyone tell me how to do > it? Thank you in advance. > > > Sharon Deng > Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu > Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu > University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 > > > ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 02:50:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26006; Tue, 18 Jan 94 02:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09178; Tue, 18 Jan 94 02:08:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09172; Tue, 18 Jan 94 02:08:21 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22932-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Tue, 18 Jan 1994 10:08:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 10:10:58 GMT From: John Stumbles Reply-To: John Stumbles Subject: re: PC/Unix compatability (again!) To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > If you are using IMAP from PC Pine and not the local DOS filesystem, then PC > Pine and UNIX Pine are completely compatible. > > If you are using the local DOS filesystem to store mailboxes from PC Pine, the > file formats have two differences. One difference is in newline convention; > the other is in the representation of timezones. I'm quite happy to have both versions of PINE maintain the same set of mailboxes, with the PC version at least using IMAP to do so, but I evidently haven't got it set up to do so and I don't know how to do so - I think I'm in an RTFM situation here, but I don't have TFM! I pulled down the ZIP file from ftp.cac.washington.edu and it has installation notes etc but no manual - is there one I've missed? Thanks for your message, Mark. I assume from your email address that you're part of the PINE team - ? John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 05:21:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27963; Tue, 18 Jan 94 05:21:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07088; Tue, 18 Jan 94 04:56:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unicorn.bwco.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07082; Tue, 18 Jan 94 04:56:06 -0800 Received: by bwco.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22000; Tue, 18 Jan 1994 07:56:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 07:56:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9401181256.AA22000@bwco.com> From: finej01@bwco.com (Jim Finegan, (919) 315-4185, x54185) To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu"@bwco.com Cc: FINEJ01@bwco.com, MEADJ01@bwco.com Subject: FWD: PINE for VMS I was told I should contact you about these issues. BWCo would be Willing to serve as a Beta Test site. Jim Finegan System Admin/Mgr ---------------------------- From: UNICRN::finej01 "James A. Finegan" 14-JAN-1994 09:02:05.57 To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu CC: "James A. Finegan" Subj: PINE for VMS We have several users that receive mail that has MIME encoded attachments. Some, like myself, prefer to receive our mail on a VMS system. Only, the attachments do not port. Do you have a PINE version for VMS? If so, how does one acquire it? Also, is there an X-Windows version of PINE? Thanks in advance for your help. Jim Finegan. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 07:54:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29403; Tue, 18 Jan 94 07:54:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11419; Tue, 18 Jan 94 07:32:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bohemia.med.utah.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11413; Tue, 18 Jan 94 07:32:40 -0800 Received: from comet.med.utah.edu by bohemia.med.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0 [uucc-nhj/15FEB1991]) id AA05336; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:32:09 MST Received: by comet.med.utah.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01224; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:32:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 08:32:36 -0700 (MST) From: "Paul G. Leo Jr." Subject: re: PC/Unix compatability (again!) To: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Maybe I missed something in this thread.... Can one use an imap server with pc pine, but also use pine to access the same user mailbox Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet Eccles Institute of Human Genetics Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 08:39:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00730; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:39:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08153; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:27:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08147; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:27:36 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA05381; Tue, 18 Jan 94 08:14:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 08:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: PC/Unix compatability (again!) To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Please describe to us a bit more about how you have things set up, and we'll try to help you figure out what to do next. What do you set the inbox-path variable in your PC-Pine PINERC file? Is there an IMAP server set up on your UNIX system? [Do you know what this means and/or how to determine if one is set up?] You may find the file mail/pine-tech-notes on ftp.cac.washington.edu (available via anonymous FTP) to be helpful as well. Yes, I am the author of the c-client library which is the underlying mailbox access engine used by Pine, imapd, and various other email tools. I also invented the IMAP protocol back in 1986. In general, though, it's better to contact the Pine team by use of the email address pine@cac.washington.edu than to contact individuals directly. That way, questions (and their answers) are seen by everyone. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 09:34:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02804; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:34:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13241; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:22:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13235; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:21:58 -0800 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA11801 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Tue, 18 Jan 1994 09:21:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 09:21:54 -0800 (GMT-0800) From: VampLestat Subject: To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to determine what communications programs are compatable with the 'attached-to-ansi' print option from a Mac. I've determined Mac Kermit doesnt work. I know there is a UW hacked version of NCSA Telnet, but I am looking for telecommunication programs that dial up via a modem. The only two suggestions I have had so far are Mac340 from White Pine Software, and Versaterm Pro. Are there any other programs that are known to work? _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services - California State University Long Beach | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server finger me for my current Depeche Mode Collection For Sale list From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 09:48:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03335; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:48:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13335; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:29:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13329; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:29:25 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01555; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:29:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PC/UNIX PINE compatability (cont'd) To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, I think at least part of what you are seeing is because of the newline differences. PC-Pine sees the Unix NL and interprets it as a DOS CRNL, but Unix Pine sees the DOS CRNL and interprets the CR as text! The other problem is probably due to trying to display the CR... The compatibility you are seeing is purely coincidental and not by design. A future version of Pine will allow access to remote addressbooks via IMAP which will resolve this problem. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > Further to me previous postings about this: I said both (PC and Unix) > versions of Pine seem happy with either DOS or Unix format for address > book and signature files. > > However I have seen today a funny with the Unix version of Pine (v3.88) > with a DOS format address book file: the first column (nicknames) displays > only parts of some entries, until the cursor has run over the entry, and > then it gets filled in. Once the entry has paged off the screen and back > on it has gaps again. E.g.: > > ed Bloggs, Fred f.bloggs > a ur Daley, Arthur a.daley@lockup.peckham > g d Deity, The s.being@heaven > > and after the cursor has been down the page: > > fred Bloggs, Fred f.bloggs > arthur Daley, Arthur a.daley@lockup.peckham > god Deity, The s.being@heaven > > etc - get the idea? > > With the DOS version of Pine reading a Unix format file everything is OK. > > I also noted that the Unix Pine doesn't change the format of the address > book file when it edits it, but the DOS version re-writes a Unix format > file in DOS format when any changes are made. > > > John Stumbles > j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk 0734 318435 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 09:57:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03848; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:57:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09047; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:43:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09041; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:43:21 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24625; Tue, 18 Jan 94 09:43:18 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 18 Jan 94 18:43:07+0100 Date: 18 Jan 94 18:43:07+0100 From: VampLestat Message-Id: <542111*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Info List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 15:16:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12424; Tue, 18 Jan 94 15:16:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12334; Tue, 18 Jan 94 14:53:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12328; Tue, 18 Jan 94 14:53:49 -0800 Received: by unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA07108; Tue, 18 Jan 94 16:51:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:31:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: SMTP servers on pine.conf... To: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, What advantage or disadvantage I have when type two (o more) SMTP servers in my file pine.conf on redvax1 system??? Example : smtp-server=redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx,redvax2.dgsca.unam.mx ^ |- my system... It will help me to support the demand of electronic mail on my machine when "redvax1" is very busy??? I did read the tech notes of pine about it... but I not understand very well yet ... Thank's in advance... /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /############ System Manager from Microvax 3400 System /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing ### ### ### National University of Mexico ### ########## ### ### ### ### ================================================= ### ##/ ### ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet #######/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 18 15:47:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13333; Tue, 18 Jan 94 15:47:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12723; Tue, 18 Jan 94 15:34:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12717; Tue, 18 Jan 94 15:34:34 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07213; Tue, 18 Jan 94 15:34:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: SMTP servers on pine.conf... To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Cc: The PINE List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine will use the first server listed unless it fails to respond, in which case it tries the next one in the list. If the second one fails to respond, it will try the third one, etc. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > Hi all, > What advantage or disadvantage I have when type two (o more) SMTP > servers in my file pine.conf on redvax1 system??? > > Example : smtp-server=redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx,redvax2.dgsca.unam.mx > ^ > |- my system... > > It will help me to support the demand of electronic mail on my > machine when "redvax1" is very busy??? > > I did read the tech notes of pine about it... but I not understand > very well yet ... > Thank's in advance... > > > /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. > /# /############ System Manager from Microvax 3400 System > /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services > ### /## ### Academic Computing > ### ### ### National University of Mexico > ### ########## ### > ### ### ### ================================================= > ### ##/ ### > ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx > ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet > #######/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 19 06:14:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26061; Wed, 19 Jan 94 06:14:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18233; Wed, 19 Jan 94 05:54:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18227; Wed, 19 Jan 94 05:54:46 -0800 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA26385; Wed, 19 Jan 1994 05:55:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 05:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: Norm Aleks Subject: Re: your mail To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jan 1994, VampLestat wrote: > I'm trying to determine what communications programs are compatable with > the 'attached-to-ansi' print option from a Mac. I've determined Mac > Kermit doesnt work. I know there is a UW hacked version of NCSA Telnet, > but I am looking for telecommunication programs that dial up via a modem. Hmm, Mac Kermit 0.99 works for me. But some other that work well are Smartcom II, MicroPhone (almost any version, I think), VersaTerm and VersaTerm Pro, White Knight. Be sure you have the latest version of Mac Kermit (I think it's 0.99 (188)) and try again with that. I'm surprised to hear you had trouble. Write me , if you like, with what else is going on. With a former job I used to deal with lots of people who had terminal-emulation printing problems. Norm ____ \ / Norm Aleks naleks@netcom.com +1 508 797 4709 \/ UMass Med. Ctr. Box 279, 55 Lake Ave. N., Worcester, MA 01655-0001 USA Q: What do you get when you cross Lee Iacocca and Dracula? A: AUTOEXEC.BAT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 19 09:57:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00770; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:57:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01627; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:43:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01621; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:43:19 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26910; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:43:18 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 09:43:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Accept ^C in more places. To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Suggest that ^C be accepted in more places to abort the current process; for example: if I enter "C"ompose, and in the 'To' line press ^T, now I am in the addressbook. If I want to exit from the addressbook, I can use "E"xit, but ^C also makes sense (to abort this immediate process -- using the addressbook and return to the composer; another ^C would be required to abort the composer). -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 19 09:58:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00828; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:58:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01547; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:39:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01541; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:39:17 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26345; Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:39:15 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 09:39:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Spell check on marked block ? To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Suggest that, in the pine composer: ^^ move cursor ^T perform spell checking on the marked block only. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 19 19:34:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13218; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:34:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10735; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:25:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10729; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:25:04 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA24054 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:25:00 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA23562; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:42:28 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA03207; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:42:23 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:42:23 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: Spell check on marked block ? To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > Suggest that, in the pine composer: > > ^^ > move cursor > ^T > > perform spell checking on the marked block only. What a great idea!! I second. Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 19 19:40:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13264; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:40:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25229; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:27:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25223; Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:27:41 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA24399 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:27:37 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA25226; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:06:56 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA03508; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:06:51 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:06:51 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not sure if it has always been the case, or is a new change, but the notification of new mail from Pine 3.89 is "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning all through the English speaking world, when one will do. Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 00:47:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15670; Thu, 20 Jan 94 00:47:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12885; Thu, 20 Jan 94 00:09:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from digi.syd.deg.CSIRO.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12879; Thu, 20 Jan 94 00:09:24 -0800 Received: by digi.syd.deg.csiro.au id AA21192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Pine-Info Email List ); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:13:31 +1100 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:07:53 +1100 (EST) From: Jack Churchill Subject: Re: Spell check on marked block ? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > > > Suggest that, in the pine composer: > > > > ^^ > > move cursor > > ^T > > > > perform spell checking on the marked block only. > > What a great idea!! I second. Me too. I also would like the spell checking to display the incorrect words in sequential order starting from the top of the message instead of in alphabetical order causing too much screen changing particularly with long messages. Jack N. Churchill | Jack.Churchill@dem.csiro.au CSIRO Division of Exploration and Mining | churchill@decus.com.au PO Box 136 North Ryde NSW 2113 | Phone: +61 2 887 8884 Australia | Fax: +61 2 887 8921 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 03:49:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17944; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:49:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14097; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:17:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from utdallas.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14091; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:17:22 -0800 Received: from frog.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (ZMailer 2.1.3 #231) with BLIMP id <14858>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:17:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity From: Billy Barron To: charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Charlie Brady) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:17:01 -0600 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Charlie Brady" at Jan 19, 94 09:06:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 657 Message-Id: <94Jan20.051714cst.14858@utdallas.edu> In reply to Charlie Brady's message: > >I'm not sure if it has always been the case, or is a new change, but the >notification of new mail from Pine 3.89 is > It's been the case for a long time at least. >"New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > >"in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > Actually, sometimes the phrase constructed does not make any sense to me. >Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning >all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > I agree wholehearted. -- Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas billy@utdallas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 03:57:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18309; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:57:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14224; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:34:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14218; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:34:21 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA22204 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 20 Jan 1994 22:34:17 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA04353; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:03:26 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA16153; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:03:22 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:03:21 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. I've looked in the source code and see that there are twelve different messages. This one is the only one I find really offensive - some call me a pedant.... Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 04:29:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18536; Thu, 20 Jan 94 04:29:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14350; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:59:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14340; Thu, 20 Jan 94 03:59:34 -0800 Received: from victoria.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <12241-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:46:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:50:48 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brownlee Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <94Jan20.051714cst.14858@utdallas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another vote to cut down on 'in point of'! David D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London EC1V 0HB. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 06:13:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19563; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:13:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28221; Thu, 20 Jan 94 05:40:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28215; Thu, 20 Jan 94 05:40:04 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <04976-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:37:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:36:05 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Info X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > I'm not sure if it has always been the case, or is a new change, but the > notification of new mail from Pine 3.89 is > > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. Please do not restore Re: (I would be happiest with Subject:, and about is OK). My non English first language users (and we have plenty!) find normal English hard enough, and "re" is not a word in basic english. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 07:10:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20025; Thu, 20 Jan 94 07:10:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15646; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:41:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15640; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:41:17 -0800 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <16362-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:40:05 +0000 Received: from hercules (hercules.dur.ac.uk) by vega.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:40:01 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:39:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Charlie Brady Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1334 > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > I've looked in the source code and see that there are twelve different > messages. This one is the only one I find really offensive - some call > me a pedant.... I noticed that different messages were being used when producing a document about Pine. I also checked the source, and found that 12 messages were possible and Pine "randomly" chooses one of them. At the time I thought this was rather quaint. However, if you want to document Pine (and I acknowledge that some would say that that is not needed), it is helpful to have the same text each time. So, I would vote for "always the same text", and like other people I would prefer "about" because it is reasonably short and not as obscure as "re". -- Barry Cornelius Durham (091 or +44 91) 374 4717 Information Technology Service, IT Service Office: 374 2892 University of Durham, Durham. Fax: 374 3741 DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 07:11:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20070; Thu, 20 Jan 94 07:11:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28441; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:34:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28435; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:34:26 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA29952; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:32:15 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12498; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:34:25 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 08:34:24 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Billy Barron Cc: Charlie Brady , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <94Jan20.051714cst.14858@utdallas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 689 On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Billy Barron wrote: > >"New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > > >"in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > >Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > >all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > > > I agree wholehearted. If we're voting count mine with theirs (to replace "in point of"). Maybe just a colon would do: "New mail from Joe: Meeting tomorrow" -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 07:18:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20178; Thu, 20 Jan 94 07:18:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15661; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:44:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15655; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:44:22 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27583; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:43:29 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am not so concerned with what is said as in its length. Since the information seems to be confined to one line I want to see more of who the mail is from and what it is about and less boilerplate from pine. A simple colon-space separator might be a language independent method. /dan Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 07:32:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20383; Thu, 20 Jan 94 07:32:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15740; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:53:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15734; Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:53:41 -0800 Received: from victoria.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17321-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:46:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:50:47 +0000 (GMT) From: NoRM Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Er... 'about' is a nice plain english word, and might be understood better than 're:' which implies you know the word 'regarding.' I don't like 'in point of' myself. It sounds sloppy.... [New mail! From ae103@city.ac.uk in point of Re: Bob] ....in point of regarding Bob. Hmmm.... Perhaps you could have 'From xx@xx.xx about subject' and if the subject starts 'Re:' you have 'From xx@xx.xx in reply to subject.' N. .---------------------{ NoRM : norm@city.ac.uk }------------------------. | "Now when you pick a paw-paw, or a prickly pear, and you prick the | | wrong paw, well next time beware. Don't pick a prickly pear with the | | paw, when you pick a pear try to use the claw. But you don't need to | | use the claw when you pick a pear of the big paw-paw. | | Have I given you a clue ?" | ` ' On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > > > > I'm not sure if it has always been the case, or is a new change, but the > > notification of new mail from Pine 3.89 is > > > > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > > > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > > > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > > Please do not restore Re: (I would be happiest with Subject:, and about > is OK). My non English first language users (and we have plenty!) find > normal English hard enough, and "re" is not a word in basic english. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 > Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 > University of Cambridge Computing Service > New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk > Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 08:34:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21968; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:34:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29298; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:08:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mhc.mtholyoke.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29292; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:08:41 -0800 Received: by mhc.mtholyoke.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3a_931226.03) id AA17331; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:08:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Crowley" Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Barry Cornelius Cc: Charlie Brady , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > > > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > > I've looked in the source code and see that there are twelve different > > messages. This one is the only one I find really offensive - some call > > me a pedant.... > > I noticed that different messages were being used when producing a > document about Pine. I also checked the source, and found that 12 > messages were possible and Pine "randomly" chooses one of them. At the > time I thought this was rather quaint. However, if you want to document > Pine (and I acknowledge that some would say that that is not needed), it > is helpful to have the same text each time. > This is quite easy to change without even bothering to modify the random selection by setting each of the 12 lines to the same thing. I used "Subj:" for the text string. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 08:50:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22401; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:50:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17600; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:44:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Jade.Tufts.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17594; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:44:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: Elaine Lolos Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > > I noticed that different messages were being used when producing a > document about Pine. I also checked the source, and found that 12 > messages were possible and Pine "randomly" chooses one of them. At the > time I thought this was rather quaint. However, if you want to document > Pine (and I acknowledge that some would say that that is not needed), it > is helpful to have the same text each time. > > So, I would vote for "always the same text", and like other people I would > prefer "about" because it is reasonably short and not as obscure as "re". I agree with always using the same text, and something short. When I first started using Pine, I noticed the messages having different text right away, and it was confusing because I assumed there was some method to it. I don't think having Pine randomly choose phrases is a good thing - it doesn't promote that feeling of consistency. Elaine Lolos Tufts University Medford, MA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 09:02:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22903; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:02:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17625; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:45:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17619; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:45:07 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17030; Thu, 20 Jan 94 08:45:06 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 08:45:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Reply-To: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Charlie - It's worse than that! The notification actually uses one of several phrases selected at random from a list: - in re - about - in point of - apropos - concerning - a la - The original programmer probably thought that was a cute idea (like obscure command names in unix), but I feel it is simply confusing. Computer messages should (IMNSHO) present the relevant information in a consistent way. The skeleton of the message should be -constant- so that the user's attention is drawn to the significant variable part: - WHO the message is from and - WHAT the message is about. The focus should be on the message not on the 'envelope'. I have been urging the pine folks to change this for a lonnnnng time. I'm glad to hear I'm not alone in my distaste for clever presentation. -mr On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > "New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > "in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > all through the English speaking world, when one will do. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 09:39:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23750; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:39:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18384; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:16:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18378; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:16:56 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21236; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:16:55 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Reply-To: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > So, I would vote for "always the same text", and like other people I would > prefer "about" because it is reasonably short and not as obscure as "re". My preference: [New mail! From: .....; Subject: ........] because "From:" and "Subject:" are identical to the message header lines. Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 09:44:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24102; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:44:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18450; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:20:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18444; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:20:42 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21703; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:20:41 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > "New mail from Joe: Meeting tomorrow" Excellent! Short and clear. Better than my earlier suggestion. Strunk & White would love it. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 09:53:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24259; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:53:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00321; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:35:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00315; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:35:38 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28007; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:40:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Richard Lee Cc: Billy Barron , Charlie Brady , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Billy Barron wrote: > > > >"New mail from xxxxx in point of Some subject or other" > > > > > >"in point of"?? What is wrong with "re" or "about" or "Subject:"? > > > > >Please don't use three words, and perhaps ones without a clear meaning > > >all through the English speaking world, when one will do. > > > > > I agree wholehearted. > > If we're voting count mine with theirs (to replace "in point > of"). Maybe just a colon would do: > > "New mail from Joe: Meeting tomorrow" > -- > > Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu > Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET > University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > > I am voting for the colon idea. What a great idea! Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 10:26:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24820; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:26:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18948; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:49:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18942; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:49:35 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26089; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:49:32 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Reply-To: Mike Ramey Subject: [End of Message] indication. To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Please show the End-of-Message signal as soon as the last page of the message is displayed. This will save me pressing the space bar to be sure that I'm at the end. I would suggest the following. - If the entire message fits on one screen, show: [ All ] - Moving down, when last screen is displayed, show: [ End ] - Moving up, when first screen is displayed, show: [ Top ] In all cases: - display the signal at the bottom of the screen, in reverse video; - display the signal as soon as the condition is encountered, do not wait until I try to move beyond the end/top of the message. This last is important. Currently these signals are 'error messages' (you tried to read past the end of the message, dummy); if the signals were presented -as soon as- the condition occurred, they would become 'status messages'. Big difference in subjective feeling! THANK YOU PINE TEAM -- when resuming composition of a suspended message, the cursor is now on the first line of the message, rather that on the 'To:" line. Thank you much! -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 10:32:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25069; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:32:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19124; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:59:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19118; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:59:48 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27698; Thu, 20 Jan 94 09:59:47 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 09:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Quit pine -> "You have new mail." ??? To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Often, when I quit pine, I immediately get the message: You have new mail. before the unix prompt. I suspect this is because pine only checks for new mail every xx seconds, and it has not yet seen the new mail; so unix (cshell?) tells me about it before presenting the unix prompt. Suggestion: As part of the pine 'quit' processing, check for new mail and allow the user to read it before completing the pine 'quit' command. There is always the possibility of missing a new message that arrives just 'after' pine quits, but the window of lost messages will be smaller than it is now. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 10:52:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25942; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:52:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19395; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:16:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19389; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:16:23 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12056; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:16:22 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:16:21 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > > So, I would vote for "always the same text", and like other people I would > > prefer "about" because it is reasonably short and not as obscure as "re". > My preference: > [New mail! From: .....; Subject: ........] > because "From:" and "Subject:" are identical to the message header lines. > Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr Well, there are some of us out here who do think it's a nice change from just the same old boring thing... Since the code for randomness is already in there, if you do change it, please make it an option (perhaps something #defined at compile time) so those of us who like the 12 messages can still have them? Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 10:52:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25985; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:52:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19403; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:17:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19397; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:17:12 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00670; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:17:10 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Skipping quoted text. To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just discovered the key skips to the next new message -- even in reading mode. I tried it in hopes of skipping over a large amount of >quoted text. Is there any way to do this? -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 11:18:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26476; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:18:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00933; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:52:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00927; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:52:11 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA05394; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:50:04 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08981; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:52:20 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:52:19 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: [End of Message] indication. To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 492 On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > THANK YOU PINE TEAM -- when resuming composition of a suspended message, > the cursor is now on the first line of the message, rather that on the > 'To:" line. Thank you much! -mr I hadn't noticed that change. Definitely an improvement. -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 11:21:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26783; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:21:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00893; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:49:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00887; Thu, 20 Jan 94 10:49:33 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA05338; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:47:27 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08289; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:49:38 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:49:37 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Elaine Lolos Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 625 On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Elaine Lolos wrote: > I agree with always using the same text, and something short. When I first > started using Pine, I noticed the messages having different text right > away, and it was confusing because I assumed there was some method to it. > I don't think having Pine randomly choose phrases is a good thing - it > doesn't promote that feeling of consistency. Ditto. I vote for ": ". -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 11:40:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27537; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:40:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20362; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:15:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20354; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:15:09 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <02953-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:15:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:14:58 +0000 (GMT) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1218 On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey (and others) wrote: > My preference: > [New mail! From: .....; Subject: ........] > because "From:" and "Subject:" are identical to the message header lines. > Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr > [...and others wrote about their preferences....] Suggestion: .pinerc/PINERC: # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' new-mail-from-string2='Hey! ' new-mail-subject-string2=' just wrote, about ' John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 12:47:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29043; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:47:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21556; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:09:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21550; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:09:22 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27226; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:09:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You people are no fun at all! Spice up your day with a little uncertainty! Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 13:15:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29549; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:15:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22226; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:51:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22220; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:51:56 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19902; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:51:55 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:51:55 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey (and others) wrote: > > My preference: > > [New mail! From: .....; Subject: ........] > > because "From:" and "Subject:" are identical to the message header lines. > > Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr > > [...and others wrote about their preferences....] > Suggestion: > .pinerc/PINERC: > # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, > # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set > # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning > # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject > # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' > new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' > new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' > new-mail-from-string2='Hey! ' > new-mail-subject-string2=' just wrote, about ' This sounds like a good one... It's got my vote.. Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 13:49:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00459; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:49:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22624; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:21:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saturn.soils.umn.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22618; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:21:13 -0800 Received: by saturn.soils.umn.edu (4.1) id AA11300; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:19:17 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:19:17 CST From: "John Ladwig" Message-Id: <9401202119.AA11300@saturn.soils.umn.edu> To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity In-Reply-To: John Stumbles's message of 20 January 1994 References: >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:14:58 +0000 (GMT), John Stumbles said: John> On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey (and others) wrote: >> Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr >> [...and others wrote about their preferences....] John> Suggestion: John> .pinerc/PINERC: John> # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in John> # announcing new mail, to be displayed at random - if only John> # one string is specified only that set of strings will we John> # used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning of John> # the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and John> # the subject John> # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea John> new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' John> new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' John> new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' John> new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' John> new-mail-from-string2='Hey! ' John> new-mail-subject-string2=' just wrote, about ' new-mail-from-string2='The mailer-daemon hits! and hands you a scroll from' new-mail-subject-string2=' inscribed: ' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 13:50:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00486; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:50:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02364; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:28:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02358; Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:28:09 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA12735; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:28:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Norm Aleks Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > Suggestion: > .pinerc/PINERC: > # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, > # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set > # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning > # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject > # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' Well, this thread is already so long, but I feel obliged to say I *love* this suggestion. That way the configuration kings could set up anything they (we!) like, and the default could be the colon. One little change: I'd rather do something elmish and use %f and %s for from and subject, and I'd rather not enumerate or limit the number of possibilities ... new-mail-strings = "New mail! %f: %s", "Yoo hoo! %f says %s", "%s (from %f)" And if the Pine team doesn't have enough to do :), I liked the idea of stripping out the Re: from a subject (optionally). It could be done with new-reply-strings = "%f replied to %s" Always another suggestion, always another suggestion ... Norm ____ \ / Norm Aleks naleks@netcom.com +1 508 797 4709 \/ UMass Med. Ctr. Box 279, 55 Lake Ave. N., Worcester, MA 01655-0001 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 14:27:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01165; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:27:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02664; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:00:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02658; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:00:33 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA08887; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:58:26 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21719; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:00:42 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:00:41 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1147 > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > > Suggestion: > > .pinerc/PINERC: > > # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, > > # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set > > # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning > > # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject > > # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' > > new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' > > new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' > > new-mail-from-string2='Hey! ' > > new-mail-subject-string2=' just wrote, about ' This allows fun lovers to have their fun (and Stumbles' lines here are great) and still allows for some dull ": " default for those who are nervous about confusing users. What a solution! -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 14:55:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02098; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:55:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23953; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:40:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23947; Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:40:54 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26163; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:40:45 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:40:44 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: John Ladwig Cc: John Stumbles , Pine User Group In-Reply-To: <9401202119.AA11300@saturn.soils.umn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Ladwig started something he couldn't control: > >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:14:58 +0000 (GMT), John Stumbles said: > John> On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey (and others) wrote: > >> Why improvise when the standard words works just fine? -mr > >> [...and others wrote about their preferences....] > John> Suggestion: > John> .pinerc/PINERC: > John> # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in > John> # announcing new mail, to be displayed at random - if only > John> # one string is specified only that set of strings will we > John> # used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning of > John> # the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and > John> # the subject > John> # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > John> new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > John> new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' > John> new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' > John> new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' > John> new-mail-from-string2='Hey! ' > John> new-mail-subject-string2=' just wrote, about ' > new-mail-from-string2='The mailer-daemon hits! and hands you a scroll from' > new-mail-subject-string2=' inscribed: ' new-mail-from-string2='' new-mail-subject-string2=' opened their mouth and spewed ' Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 15:28:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02768; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:28:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24351; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:02:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coat.coat.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24345; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:02:10 -0800 Received: from janus.coat.com by coat.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11622; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:00:16 EST Received: by janus.coat.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12600; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:58:57 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Behrens Reply-To: Andy Behrens Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine User Group Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII John Stumbles wrote: > Suggestion: > .pinerc/PINERC: > > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' > > new-mail-from-string1='Knock knock - postman! ' > new-mail-subject-string1=' writing about: ' It's cute, but I don't think it's a good idea. If pine is going to have a million features, at least let them be things that are useful. I vote for either "New mail from xxx: yyyyyyyyyy" or "New mail! From: xxx; Subject yyyyyyyyyy", but of those I like the plain ":" best. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 16:42:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04522; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:42:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04058; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:29:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04052; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:29:16 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA22912; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:29:14 PST Received: from hal.usc.edu by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06470; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:29:13 PST Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20477; Thu, 20 Jan 94 16:29:13 PST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, Terry Gray In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been trying to setup a folder that many people could open up with read-only access, and one designated person could read and write. I tried some variations on the methods in the attached message below, but couldn't get anything to work with IMAP. By the way, I want this folder to be treated as an incoming folder. Right now, the only thing that works is incoming-folders=incoming {develop}/home/develop/compute/incoming Then I just do some Unix group ownership tricks to allow only the owner of the file to modify it. However, this results in some strange messages and weird behavior when opening the folder read-only, which I'd like to avoid since it is confusing. Anyone have any ideas how I can do this and still use IMAP? ------------------------------------- ,-,,-, __ | Elmar Kurgpold | ______/ /_,' | | Network Administrator | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |<) (> | | The Law Center | ( | oo | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | ) `| |--' | (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| ------------------------------------- (____' On Fri, 3 Dec 1993, Terry Gray wrote: > Isaias, > "news.u.washington.edu" is only an example; it is not available to you > for news access. You will need to find a news server (perhaps from > your Internet provider) that you can use. > > Chances are you really do want to use nntp, since it is easier to find > news servers that run nntp than those that run IMAPd and will let you > have an account on them. (Unlike nntp, IMAPd uses a newsrc file on > the same machine as the news database.) > > Remember that *for now* you must run another newsreader to initially > create a suitable newsrc file. Once you have successfully read news via > some other program, presumably using nntp, it should be easy to get Pine > to do the same. > > -teg > > On Fri, 3 Dec 1993, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Dec 1993, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > You need to specify the news server in your .pinerc file. Something like > > > > > > news-collections=*{server/nntp}[*] > > > > > > where "server" is the name of the NNTP server you want to use. You will > > > also need a .newsrc file as generated by another newsreader like rrn or > > > nn. > > > > > > --DLM > > > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Dec 1993, Henry Kuo wrote: > > > > > > > Hi! Everyone: > > > > > > > > How can I read newsgroup by pine? > > > > > > > > > > > > `~~~~~~ > > > > @(0-0) > > > > ---------oOO----^---OOo------- > > > > > > > > ^.^ Henry......... > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > That's O.K.. > > In my ".pinerc" configuration file I have got it : > > > > # news-collections specifies one or more collections of news groups. > > # News collection syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] > > # Examples: > > # news-collections=News *[] <-- if your login host carries news > > # news-collections=Subscribed-Groups *{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}[] > > news-collections=News *{news.u.washington.edu/imapd}[] > > ^ > > I haven't nntp yet...then type "imapd"--------| > > > > When PINE show me the folder's screen, exist a line about remote > > conection : > > > > " [ Select Here to See Expanded List ]" > > > > Then I press on it and PINE connect to news.u.washington.edu, but > > ask me for a "login" and "password".... > > I don't know what type!!! > > > > Pardon if is it obvious... but I don't know what type...or > > news.u.washington.edu is not a server for "news"??? > > > > Than's in advance... :( > > > > /####### E. Isaias Callejas M. > > /# /############ Group System Managers from Microvax 3400 System > > /## /############## Coordination of Computing Services > > ### /## ### Academic Computing > > ### ### ### National University of Mexico > > ### ########## ### > > ### ### ### ================================================= > > ### ##/ ### > > ##############/ ##/ Internet : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx > > ############/ #/ Bitnet : isma@redvax1.bitnet > > #######/ > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 17:20:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05472; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:20:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26491; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:11:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26463; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:10:59 -0800 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08097; Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:08:15 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 20:03:14 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Andy Behrens Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems to me that you asking for problems which will require considerable programing to protect against when you let these strings be configurable in the rc file. Is the added complexity really worth it? /dan Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 18:04:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06109; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:04:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04878; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:56:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04872; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:56:28 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06673; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:01:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Steve Hubert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > You people are no fun at all! > > Spice up your day with a little uncertainty! > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > I agree, why should we so serious about what it said on the message after a long day work. Honestly, I never pay any attention to those message until this big discussion. But if I have to vote one way or other, I would say the colon is the best idea. Clear and Simple! Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 18:10:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06135; Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:10:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04886; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:57:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from EMPIRE.CCE.CORNELL.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04880; Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:57:11 -0800 Received: by cce.cornell.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0pNB8q-0001N7C; Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:58 EST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 20:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Pool Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Matt Simmons wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > > Suggestion: > > .pinerc/PINERC: > > # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, > > # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set > > # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning > > # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject > > # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' ... > This sounds like a good one... It's got my vote.. Please don't add anything like that. I'd much prefer to see the existing random strings removed and have a single terse, informative message instead. I'd get much more pleasure out of having a simpler, smaller .pinerc file and associated code for reading and handling it than out of having random strings. -- Ron Pool; Electronic Technology Group; B-15 Wing Hall; Ithaca, NY 14853 Internet: ron@cce.cornell.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 19:26:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06994; Thu, 20 Jan 94 19:26:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27699; Thu, 20 Jan 94 19:15:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27693; Thu, 20 Jan 94 19:15:10 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03327; Thu, 20 Jan 94 21:15:07 CST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 21:15:07 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Ron Pool Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Ron Pool wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Matt Simmons wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > > > Suggestion: > > > .pinerc/PINERC: > > > # You can specify up to 12 set of strings to be used in announcing new mail, > > > # to be displayed at random - if only one string is specified only that set > > > # of strings will we used. The new-mail-from string comes at the beginning > > > # of the line, then the sender's name, the -subject-string and the subject > > > # e.g. New mail! from: Arthur Dent - Subject: A nice hot cup of tea > > > new-mail-from-string0='New mail! From: ' > > > new-mail-subject-string0=' - Subject: ' > > This sounds like a good one... It's got my vote.. > Please don't add anything like that. I'd much prefer to see the existing > random strings removed and have a single terse, informative message > instead. I'd get much more pleasure out of having a simpler, smaller > .pinerc file and associated code for reading and handling it than out of > having random strings. How would you feel about having a #define in the Makefile which would switch between the original 12 random strings and your bor^H^H^Hproposed colon? Devoted _n______________________________________________ _________________ Teri / \|[]|"" \ |[]| |[]| |[]| |[]| / || \ |[]| |[]| Polo ,(_____| |()_()\___| |___| |___| |___| |___/ || \___| |___| | Fan <_______|__|_(_)_____|__|___|__|___|__|___|__|______||______|__|___|__| =========\ Walt Disney World Monorail System || LCA _____\________________________________________________||_________________ __/ This highway's in perfect shape. Quick! Thank god I'm not a _/ Break it so we can 'fix' it! -- IDOT Motto F. I. P. =) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 20:16:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07341; Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:16:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28003; Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:07:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27997; Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:07:24 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA11283 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:07:17 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA01238; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:03:09 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA20757; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:03:06 EST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:03:05 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Matt Simmons wrote: > something #defined at compile time) so those of us who like the 12 > messages can still have them? How about 11? :-) Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 22:58:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08753; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:58:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29044; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:52:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29038; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:52:15 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27787; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:52:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 22:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Elmar, There shouldn't be any problem providing shared RO access to a folder via IMAP, but I don't know of any way to suppress the messages that warn the user that access is Read-Only. Could you be more specific about the "wierd behavior" you referred to? -teg On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > I've been trying to setup a folder that many people could open up with > read-only access, and one designated person could read and write. I tried > some variations on the methods in the attached message below, but couldn't > get anything to work with IMAP. By the way, I want this folder to be > treated as an incoming folder. > > Right now, the only thing that works is > > incoming-folders=incoming {develop}/home/develop/compute/incoming > > Then I just do some Unix group ownership tricks to allow only the owner of > the file to modify it. However, this results in some strange messages and > weird behavior when opening the folder read-only, which I'd like to avoid > since it is confusing. Anyone have any ideas how I can do this and still > use IMAP? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 20 23:09:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08833; Thu, 20 Jan 94 23:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29054; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:56:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29048; Thu, 20 Jan 94 22:56:15 -0800 Received: by utu.fi id <166663-6>; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:55:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:55:49 +0200 From: Kari Sutela Subject: Re: Using ^^ to mark lines To: Eddie Leonardi Cc: Pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Eddie Leonardi wrote: > I have recently started to use Pine 3.89 and am having problems using > the mark text command "^^". I'm not sure if this is a problem with my terminal emulation program but using ^^-key as the mark command is rather hard on finnish keyboards. On finnish keyboards the ^-key is a "dead" accent key: it isn't complete until it's followed by another key (the key to be accented with the "hat"). Unfortunately, pressing control and the key with the "^" cap on my terminal does not produce a control-^. To get a ^^ I must hit control-shift-6! I had no problems finding this out as I know the US keyboard layout well but for persons who have never seen a US keyboard (and probably never will) this is very peculiar as the shift-6 normally produces an ampersand (&) on finnish keyboards. Oh well, it's probably too late to change anything. I only wish that the special keys were configurable to some extent. /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 02:29:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11047; Fri, 21 Jan 94 02:29:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00425; Fri, 21 Jan 94 02:00:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00419; Fri, 21 Jan 94 02:00:38 -0800 Received: from victoria.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10179-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:52:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:56:43 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brownlee Subject: New mail notification -> colon To: Pine-Info Maillist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another vote for just a colon separator! D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. 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From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 05:49:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13448; Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:49:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01916; Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:29:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shannon.ee.wits.ac.za by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01910; Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:29:19 -0800 Received: by shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3) id ; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:32 EET Received: by YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pNMoN-0003X3C; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:26 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:26:10 +0000 From: Alan Robert Clark Subject: ispell and pine To: "Pine-info mailing list." Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? Alan Robert Clark, Pr Eng Computational Electromagnetics Dept Elec Eng Wits University P.O.Wits ``Bugs are later known as features'' 2050 South Africa Ps 110:11; Ps 37/150 Fax (+27 11)403-1929 clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za(Pref) Tel (+27 11)716-5404(24hr) or clark@odie.ee.wits.ac.za ***Linux 0.99pl13 - the choice of a GNU generation.*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 06:03:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13610; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:03:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02037; Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:49:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nexus.BrockU.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02031; Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:49:52 -0800 Received: from sandcastle.cosc.BrockU.CA by nexus.BrockU.CA via SMTP (920110.SGI/911001.SGI.UNSUPPORTED.PROTOTYPE) for pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA15627; Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:46:30 -0500 Received: by SANDCASTLE.COSC.BROCKU.CA (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @NEXUS.BROCKU.CA:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA01990; Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:49:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Wyatt Subject: Pine and E-Mail account only To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are there any options in the .prinerc file or compile flags that can be set to make pine/pico appropriate for a captive e-mail account only? Basically I want to keep e-mail only users from being able to leave their home directory via the ^T to files type stuff. Even though I use the restricted shell pine/pico still allows them to move about. Just thought I would ask before I go start digging through the code. Thanks Jamie ------------------------------------------------------ Jamie Wyatt Network and Systems Administrator Dept. of Computer Science, Brock University St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada, L2S 3A1 jwyatt@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 06:30:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13781; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:30:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08590; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:10:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08584; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:10:12 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA27805; Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:07:48 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24556; Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:10:04 CST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:10:03 -0600 (CST) From: Ken Schriner Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 491 I'd like to cast my vote in the "who cares" pool. I never even noticed it until this group started talking about it. Consistent user interface? A very noble goal. But we never see it in life. What's shaking, how you doing, good morning, you're a sight for sore eyes, what's happening. All good greetings. I say work on something more important (anything is.) Ken Schriner ks06054@uafsysb University of Arkansas kschrine@comp.uark.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 07:04:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14100; Fri, 21 Jan 94 07:04:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02457; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:55:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02451; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:55:02 -0800 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #114) id m0pNNGE-000BzTC; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:54 GMT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Pine and E-Mail account only To: jwyatt@SANDCASTLE.COSC.BROCKU.CA (Jamie Wyatt) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:54:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jamie Wyatt" at Jan 21, 94 08:42:46 am From: kmj1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (Kate M Jeary) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1527 Which particular restricted shell are you talking about? We operate with a restricted shell developed in perl locally. We have also restricted the use of certain options within Pine (such as the alternative-editor-command and the personal print command) on a system-wide basis since these are the major holes through which our users attempt to escape. We run Pine 3.89 under SunOs 4.1.3 (unix) on two 10/51s with a telnet interface on one machine, and imap/pop access on the other. If this is of interest to you, then surely you are welcome to the sum of our shared experience... Jamie Wyatt > > Are there any options in the .prinerc file or compile flags that can be > set to make pine/pico appropriate for a captive e-mail account only? > Basically I want to keep e-mail only users from being able to leave their > home directory via the ^T to files type stuff. > Even though I use the restricted shell pine/pico still allows them to > move about. > > Just thought I would ask before I go start digging through the > code. > > Thanks > Jamie > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Jamie Wyatt > Network and Systems Administrator > Dept. of Computer Science, Brock University > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada, L2S 3A1 > jwyatt@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca > > > > > -- Internet: K.M.Jeary@ucs.cam.ac.uk University Computing Service, JANET: K.M.Jeary@uk.ac.cam.ucs Computer Laboratory, Pembroke St, Phone: +44 223 334447 Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 07:12:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14317; Fri, 21 Jan 94 07:12:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02449; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:54:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from utdallas.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02443; Fri, 21 Jan 94 06:54:51 -0800 Received: from frog.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (ZMailer 2.1.3 #231) with BLIMP id <14634>; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:54:43 -0600 Subject: Re: Pine and E-Mail account only From: Billy Barron To: jwyatt@SANDCASTLE.COSC.BROCKU.CA (Jamie Wyatt) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 08:54:40 -0600 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jamie Wyatt" at Jan 21, 94 07:42:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 798 Message-Id: <94Jan21.085443cst.14634@utdallas.edu> In reply to Jamie Wyatt's message: > >Are there any options in the .prinerc file or compile flags that can be >set to make pine/pico appropriate for a captive e-mail account only? >Basically I want to keep e-mail only users from being able to leave their >home directory via the ^T to files type stuff. >Even though I use the restricted shell pine/pico still allows them to >move about. > What we do here is to log them into a chroot environment that only has absolutely what that user needs to operate. Everything except their directory, tmp, and /var/spool is mounted read-only. If they do look around, all they won't see any other user's files anyway. We run from a menu instead of a shell however. -- Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas billy@utdallas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 09:22:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17210; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:22:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04301; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:05:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04294; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:05:52 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24229; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:05:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: ispell and pine To: Alan Robert Clark Cc: "Pine-info mailing list." In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alan, The simple way to do this is to do this is to set your alternate-editor to ispell, then '^_' in the composer magically becomes ispell. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Alan Robert Clark wrote: > Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? > > Alan Robert Clark, Pr Eng Computational Electromagnetics > Dept Elec Eng Wits University > P.O.Wits ``Bugs are later known as features'' > 2050 South Africa Ps 110:11; Ps 37/150 > Fax (+27 11)403-1929 clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za(Pref) > Tel (+27 11)716-5404(24hr) or clark@odie.ee.wits.ac.za > ***Linux 0.99pl13 - the choice of a GNU generation.*** > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 10:01:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18837; Fri, 21 Jan 94 10:01:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05115; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:46:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snare.dorm.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05107; Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:46:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (kashmir@localhost) by snare.dorm.umd.edu (8.6.4/Linux) id MAA04075; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:46:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:46:06 +0000 From: Mike Grupenhoff Subject: Re: ispell and pine To: Alan Robert Clark Cc: "Pine-info mailing list." In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Alan Robert Clark wrote: > Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? I'm not sure this is the correct way, but I just created the following script and named it "spell." #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq It pretty much mimics spell's behavior. Of course, there's probably a better way, but this has worked for me. --- Mike Grupenhoff kashmir@wam.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 13:18:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23526; Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:18:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08393; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:51:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08383; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:51:10 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA08854; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:29:40 PST Received: from hal.usc.edu by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08159; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:29:39 PST Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27887; Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:29:23 PST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Terry, The first message is: [-no folder- : Can't get write access to mailbox, access is readonly] ...and then: [Folder "incoming" opened with 4 messages READONLY] ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate users. If I want ten people to open a given folder read-only as often as once every five minutes, and one person to open it read-write, my little system seems less than attractive. If this is not the most efficient method, perhaps someone on the list can put me on the path towards something better. Would an internal news server be the answer? And would I still be able to control the access on an individual? And would it be worth the time to try and fire up news just for this purpose? Any answers and hints are welcome, send them to ekurgpol@law.usc.edu. Thanks, Elmar On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Elmar, > There shouldn't be any problem providing shared RO access to a folder via > IMAP, but I don't know of any way to suppress the messages that warn the > user that access is Read-Only. > > Could you be more specific about the "wierd behavior" you referred to? > > -teg > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > I've been trying to setup a folder that many people could open up with > > read-only access, and one designated person could read and write. I tried > > some variations on the methods in the attached message below, but couldn't > > get anything to work with IMAP. By the way, I want this folder to be > > treated as an incoming folder. > > > > Right now, the only thing that works is > > > > incoming-folders=incoming {develop}/home/develop/compute/incoming > > > > Then I just do some Unix group ownership tricks to allow only the owner of > > the file to modify it. However, this results in some strange messages and > > weird behavior when opening the folder read-only, which I'd like to avoid > > since it is confusing. Anyone have any ideas how I can do this and still > > use IMAP? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 13:34:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24056; Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:34:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08909; Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:22:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ecl.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08903; Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:22:27 -0800 Received: by bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06989; Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:21:49 +0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:21:48 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dunphy Subject: Re: ispell and pine Cc: "Pine-info mailing list." In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 335 Hmmm. pine-request@cac.washington.edu does not seem to be a valid email address.. That means, I have no idea how to unsubscribe without bothering everybody's mailbox. Sorry... Please remove me from the pine mailing lists. Not enough time anymore, and the next major release seems far in the future. Take care! Chris Dunphy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 14:30:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25415; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:30:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09842; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:15:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09836; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:15:25 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23165; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:15:23 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Pine & ispell - alternate spell-checker. To: Pine-Info Email List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope the following is an accurate summary of the ways you can use ispell with pine. Please correct as necessary. I think we should have a pine FAQ, and this should go in it. -mr From: Alan Robert Clark > > Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? From: David L Miller > The simple way to do this is to do this is to set your alternate-editor > to ispell, then '^_' in the composer magically becomes ispell. From: Mike Ramey - Set 'editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell' in your '.pinerc' file. - See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. Now, when you press ^_ (^-) in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program in its native mode. Press "?" for help. Press "I" to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press ^T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). From: David L Miller Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable. I notice that someone posted a shell script that allows ispell to be used like spell, ... From: Mike Grupenhoff I'm not sure this is the correct way, but I just created the following script and named it "spell." #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq It pretty much mimics spell's behavior. Of course, there's probably a better way, but this has worked for me. From: Mike Ramey To make ^T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: - make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory - make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' - set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press ^T in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to "I"nsert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (^T), but they could not change it. === end === From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 21 23:55:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03756; Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:55:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17052; Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:42:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17046; Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:42:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25933; Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:42:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 23:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Elmar, If the first message was suppressed, would that meet your needs? You can certainly build a pseudo-newsgroup, but updating it is not quite as convenient as just using a simple mailbox format. The question of when/how to display ReadOnly-ness is non-trivial, since there are several degrees of ReadOnly-ness. (For example, newsgroups are not completely read-only because you can set one flag (D) that gets saved in your .newsrc. In the future there will be other variations on this theme as well.) -teg On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > Terry, > > The first message is: > > [-no folder- : Can't get write access to mailbox, access is readonly] > > ...and then: > > [Folder "incoming" opened with 4 messages READONLY] > > ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a > moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate > users. If I want ten people to open a given folder read-only as often as > once every five minutes, and one person to open it read-write, my little > system seems less than attractive. > > If this is not the most efficient method, perhaps someone on the list can > put me on the path towards something better. Would an internal news > server be the answer? And would I still be able to control the access on > an individual? And would it be worth the time to try and fire up news > just for this purpose? Any answers and hints are welcome, send them to > ekurgpol@law.usc.edu. > > Thanks, > > Elmar > > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > > Elmar, > > There shouldn't be any problem providing shared RO access to a folder via > > IMAP, but I don't know of any way to suppress the messages that warn the > > user that access is Read-Only. > > > > Could you be more specific about the "wierd behavior" you referred to? > > > > -teg > > > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > > > I've been trying to setup a folder that many people could open up with > > > read-only access, and one designated person could read and write. I tried > > > some variations on the methods in the attached message below, but couldn't > > > get anything to work with IMAP. By the way, I want this folder to be > > > treated as an incoming folder. > > > > > > Right now, the only thing that works is > > > > > > incoming-folders=incoming {develop}/home/develop/compute/incoming > > > > > > Then I just do some Unix group ownership tricks to allow only the owner of > > > the file to modify it. However, this results in some strange messages and > > > weird behavior when opening the folder read-only, which I'd like to avoid > > > since it is confusing. Anyone have any ideas how I can do this and still > > > use IMAP? > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 22 13:44:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23568; Sat, 22 Jan 94 13:44:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24634; Sat, 22 Jan 94 13:31:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24628; Sat, 22 Jan 94 13:31:28 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26876; Sat, 22 Jan 94 13:31:28 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine folks: Please consider implementing ispell as the standard spell-checker in pine, and provide modified ispell commands which can be used when a misspelled word is presented, such as: accept the word for the entire file (no change) accept -modified- word for entire file (no change?) ^I accept the word and insert it in the private dictionary ^I accept the -modified- word and insert in dictionary ^R replace entire word; clear edit field, cursor in col 1 ^Snn substitute one of the suggested words from the list (clear the edit field, like ^R, and show: "Replace with word number: __" ^C abort spell checking (no change) Retain '$HOME/.ispell-words' as the private dictionary file for compatibility with standard ispell. Thanks, -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 23 13:03:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11843; Sun, 23 Jan 94 13:03:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03270; Sun, 23 Jan 94 12:48:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.swip.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03264; Sun, 23 Jan 94 12:48:42 -0800 Received: from localhost by mail.swip.net (8.6.4/2.01) id VAA27688; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:48:31 +0100 Received: by datan.sk.uppsala.se (4.1/Uppsala-930825-1) id AA27127; Sun, 23 Jan 94 18:08:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 18:08:29 +0100 (MET) From: Klaus Zeuge Reply-To: Klaus Zeuge Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: Terry Gray , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a > moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate I think the handling of error messages in Pine is pretty bad. It seems to me, whenever Pine wants to display an error message, it puts the message on an internal queue. The messages on the queue are displayed one at a time, with a pause between them. During this, the user can go around doing other things, making more error or no errors at all. The messages keep being displayed. Very annoying, especially as a displayed message has nothing at all to do with what the user has done in the last couple of seconds. A simple way to demonstrate this, is to start Pine without -z, ie not suspendable, and then pressing CNTRL/Z some ten times. After that, start reading mail, composing mail, whatever. Is this a bug in the implementation of UNIX/Pine 3.89? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 23 16:05:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13018; Sun, 23 Jan 94 16:05:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04200; Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:47:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04194; Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:47:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13886; Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:47:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:47:04 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Klaus Zeuge Cc: Elmar Kurgpold , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Klaus, We agree. The fact that Pine displays some messages after they are no longer relevant, thus causing confusion, is definitely a known bug, and it is definitely on the list of things we want to improve this year. (As usual, I can't predict exactly when.) -teg On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a > > moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate > > I think the handling of error messages in Pine is pretty bad. It seems to > me, whenever Pine wants to display an error message, it puts the message > on an internal queue. The messages on the queue are displayed one at a > time, with a pause between them. During this, the user can go around > doing other things, making more error or no errors at all. The messages > keep being displayed. Very annoying, especially as a displayed message > has nothing at all to do with what the user has done in the last couple > of seconds. > > A simple way to demonstrate this, is to start Pine without -z, ie not > suspendable, and then pressing CNTRL/Z some ten times. After that, start > reading mail, composing mail, whatever. > > Is this a bug in the implementation of UNIX/Pine 3.89? > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 23 18:54:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14251; Sun, 23 Jan 94 18:54:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05236; Sun, 23 Jan 94 18:36:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05229; Sun, 23 Jan 94 18:36:35 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA15415 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 24 Jan 1994 13:36:31 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA09777; Mon, 24 Jan 94 11:36:53 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA02686; Mon, 24 Jan 94 11:36:54 EST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 11:36:53 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 22 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > Pine folks: Please consider implementing ispell as the standard > spell-checker in pine, and provide modified ispell commands ... Sounds good to me. Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 23 21:12:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15214; Sun, 23 Jan 94 21:12:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05914; Sun, 23 Jan 94 20:59:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05908; Sun, 23 Jan 94 20:59:06 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA06659; Sun, 23 Jan 94 22:56:58 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA15214; Sun, 23 Jan 94 22:59:12 CST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 22:59:11 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Another place for ^C To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 795 Sometimes ^C would be welcome where it is not available. I was reading a letter in my inbox and wanted to print it. I don't often do that, so I forgot what letter of the alphabet is used to print mail this week. I remembered it wasn't "P". So I tried "L." Naturally I got into a screen allowing me to change folders. I didn't want to be there. I wanted to return to what I was. But no, ^C wouldn't let me do that. I had to return to the main menu, go from there to the index, then down to the message I was reading, then read that. A simple ^C would have been easier. -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 00:39:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16621; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:39:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06800; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:18:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shannon.ee.wits.ac.za by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06794; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:18:24 -0800 Received: by shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3) id ; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:14 EET Received: by YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pOOEu-0003X4C; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:09 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 10:09:48 +0000 From: Alan Robert Clark Subject: 3.89 broken arrow keys in composer? To: "Pine-info mailing list." Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi All, I have just downloaded 3.89 and I have encountered a problem with the arrow keys that I did not have in 3.05. [C[C[D[D[A (if you see what I mean) the arrrow keys splurge their escape sequences all over the text, and dont move the cursor. As I downloaded the linux binary, is this simply broken, or is it a bug introduced in the new pine? Alan Robert Clark, Pr Eng Computational Electromagnetics Dept Elec Eng Wits University P.O.Wits ``Bugs are later known as features'' 2050 South Africa Ps 110:11; Ps 37/150 Fax (+27 11)403-1929 clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za(Pref) Tel (+27 11)716-5404(24hr) or clark@odie.ee.wits.ac.za ***Linux 0.99pl13 - the choice of a GNU generation.*** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 01:13:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17364; Mon, 24 Jan 94 01:13:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07897; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:51:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07891; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:51:49 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <15751-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:47:02 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA04856; Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:53:25 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:51:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ...As long as people who don't use ispell aren't overlooked! There is something positive to be said for using a "standard utility" that is present on virtually every UNIX system under the sun as against some optional software that MAY have been installed. Mike Brudenell On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Charlie Brady wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > > > Pine folks: Please consider implementing ispell as the standard > > spell-checker in pine, and provide modified ispell commands ... > > Sounds good to me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 04:43:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19798; Mon, 24 Jan 94 04:43:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08264; Mon, 24 Jan 94 04:21:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dir.bris.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08258; Mon, 24 Jan 94 04:21:19 -0800 Received: from adm1.bristol.ac.uk by dir.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13442-0@dir.bris.ac.uk>; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 12:20:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 12:20:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave King Reply-To: Dave King Subject: Pine Options Screen(s) To: Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Options screen -------------- Perhaps when Pine is released with Options screen(s) in place, it could include twelve "mail notification" prefix messages so that: 1. users who prefer variety could enter twelve individual messages. 2. those who like consistency could repeat the same text 12 times. 3. those who have no preference could have 12 default messages. For novice users, editing .pinerc can be very confusing with lots of '{}' , '[]' and '/' characters and sometimes cryptic syntax, etc. Options screen(s) will dramatically improve Pine's ease of configuration, and could include further checks for curly brace matching / news & imap syntax, etc. Could someone in the Pine team please give an idea of when the options screen(s) are likely to be available? Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 05:40:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20309; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:40:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09534; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:16:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09528; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:16:54 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <19178-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 13:16:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 13:16:32 +0000 (GMT) From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: Pine Options Screen(s) To: Dave King Cc: Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 572 On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Dave King wrote: > Options screen > -------------- > 1. users who prefer variety could enter twelve individual messages. > 2. those who like consistency could repeat the same text 12 times. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dave - you forgot to say 8^) after that! ;-) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 06:16:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20620; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:16:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08722; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:01:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08716; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:01:18 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05675; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:01:17 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 06:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Reply-To: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Well, maybe I'm the computer illiterate; I didn't realize that 'ispell' is not available on every unix system. It certainly would be helpful if users could add words to the spell-check dictionary. I get tired of being told that weekday abbreviations are spelled wrong, and my last name, and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. I can see the advantage of using a standard unix utility (spell). Is 'ispell' hard to obtain & install? Is it worth building 'ispell' hooks into pine? In the meantime ... If ispell is installed on your system, andif you want to use it (so you can add words to the spelling dictionary), follow the detailed instructions in my earlier summary message describing how to: (1) use ispell in native mode (via the ^_ key), and (2) use ispell in pine mode (via the ^T key and an executable script file). If you missed that message, let me know and I will send or repost it. If you have any corrections to that message, please let me know. Thanks to all who explained the details of ispell. I like it! P.S.: In spell-checking this message (using 'spell' via ^T key), I discovered the following anomaly: - the following 1 line produces 3 spelling errors: and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. - the following 3 lines produce -no- spelling errors: 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. BUT WAIT ... If you spell check this message just as it is before you, the three errors (email, diskette, telnet) will be reported in the list at the top of the message, BUT ... if you remove this P.S. and run the spell-check again, NO ERRORS will be reported! SO ... the errors are being -found- in the sentence: ... and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. but the errors are being -reported- at the first occurrence of the words in the message (the list at the top). Very strange! What's up? When I checked the spelling using ispell native mode (via the ^_ key), the three words (email, diskette, telnet) were -always- reported; but once I add them to my private dictionary, I'll never see them again. AND ... ispell even told me that 'occurrance' should be spelled 'occurrence' and allows me to make the replacement by pressing just one key! I like ispell. -mr ------------------------ From: Norman Friedman Please explain the "ispell" to us computer illiterates who use Pine because it is so simple. Thanks, Norm From: Henry Kuo Where can I get ispell? From: Mike Brudenell ...As long as people who don't use ispell aren't overlooked! There is something positive to be said for using a "standard utility" that is present on virtually every UNIX system under the sun as against some optional software that MAY have been installed. Mike Brudenell === From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 06:16:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20642; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:16:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08691; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:59:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unhh.unh.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08685; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:59:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 8:58:00 -0500 (EST) From: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Message-Id: <940124085800.21006c65@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Subject: screen problem when I went to use ispell with Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" A few months ago, when we started to promote Pine use heavily on campus, I experimented with use of ispell instead of spell with Pine. It didn't work as I expected ... or in an effective way. That is, ispell was invoked but it looked as though Pine only expected to provide a line or two at the bottom of the screen for spell checking (which is fine with spell), but ispell wants to clear the screen and allow more display and interaction, with the result that the screen cleared and a bunch of ispell info appeared but I could not really interact with ispell at that point. This was while running as a VT100 terminal, BTW. Was I overlooking something? Does someone have this actually working? I can't remember every combination of flags that I tried, but I did look at some of them that seemed to promise a more limited ispell on-screen display. Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ. N.H. jim.cerny@unh.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 07:27:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21267; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:27:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08910; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:37:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08904; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:37:07 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07175; Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:37:06 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 06:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: screen problem using ispell with Pine. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <940124085800.21006c65@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jan 1994 J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU wrote: > A few months ago, when we started to promote Pine use heavily on campus, I > experimented with use of ispell instead of spell with Pine. It didn't work > as I expected ... or in an effective way. ... > Does someone have this actually working? The following works for me. I prefer native mode (via the ^_ key). It allows me to use all the features of ispell. Good luck! -mr --------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey To: Pine-Info Email List Subject: Pine & ispell - alternate spell-checker. I hope the following is an accurate summary of the ways you can use ispell with pine. Please correct as necessary. I think we should have a pine FAQ, and this should go in it. -mr From: Alan Robert Clark > > Surely a FAQ..... How do I get pine to speak to ispell ?? From: David L Miller > The simple way to do this is to do this is to set your alternate-editor > to ispell, then '^_' in the composer magically becomes ispell. From: Mike Ramey - Set 'editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell' in your '.pinerc' file. - See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. Now, when you press ^_ (^-) in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program in its native mode. Press "?" for help. Press "I" to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press ^T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). From: David L Miller Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable. I notice that someone posted a shell script that allows ispell to be used like spell, ... From: Mike Grupenhoff I'm not sure this is the correct way, but I just created the following script and named it "spell." #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq It pretty much mimics spell's behavior. Of course, there's probably a better way, but this has worked for me. From: Mike Ramey To make ^T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: - make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory - make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' - set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press ^T in pine, you will execute the 'ispell' program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to "I"nsert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (^T), but they could not change it. === end === From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 07:29:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21319; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:29:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09163; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:15:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uafhp.uark.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09157; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:15:27 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by uafhp.uark.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA14802; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:13:20 -0600 Received: by (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27050; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:15:38 CST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:15:37 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Lee Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1322 On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > Well, maybe I'm the computer illiterate; I didn't realize that 'ispell' is > not available on every unix system. It certainly would be helpful if > users could add words to the spell-check dictionary. I get tired of being > told that weekday abbreviations are spelled wrong, and my last name, and > 'diskette', > 'telnet', > 'email'(!), etc. > I can see the advantage of using a standard unix utility (spell). Is > 'ispell' hard to obtain & install? Is it worth building 'ispell' hooks > into pine? Ah, but you CAN add words with the standard spell. I do. I have a file called "mydic" (no jokes please) with the words I want added, then in my .profile (or whatever your shell requires) I have the lines: SPELL="spell +mydic" export SPELL This then causes spell whenever it runs to use "mydic" as a supplemental dictionary. (You should be able to do this with an alias too.) I don't know ispell, so maybe there are other advantages to that, but if having a customizable dictionary is what you are looking for, you don't have to look that far. -- Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 Fayetteville, AR 72701 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 07:40:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21445; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:40:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09211; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:28:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09205; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:28:47 -0800 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21596; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:28:42 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 07:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Richard Lee Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > Ah, but you CAN add words with the standard spell. I do. I have > a file called "mydic" (no jokes please) with the words I want added, then > in my .profile (or whatever your shell requires) I have the lines: > SPELL="spell +mydic" > export SPELL > This then causes spell whenever it runs to use "mydic" as a supplemental > dictionary. (You should be able to do this with an alias too.) > I don't know ispell, so maybe there are other advantages to that, > but if having a customizable dictionary is what you are looking for, you > don't have to look that far. The ispell program allows insertion of unknown words into the dictionary -during- spell checking (press the "I" key); it also offers suggested correct spellings when it discovers an unknown word (select a replacement by pressing a number key). Try it if it's on your system. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 07:52:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21681; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:52:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09339; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:41:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09333; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:41:26 -0800 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26327; Mon, 24 Jan 94 07:41:26 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 07:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell with -pico- ? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > I just started using Pine last week, and am very interested in seeing your > instructions. I've never used Emacs, and have no interest in using Emacs, > but you have been able to coerce Ispell to work with the Pico editor I'd > LOVE to use it. Everything I've seen so far relates to using ispell with pine, not pico. I just tried the ^_ key in pico, and it is an 'unknown command'. Pine-folks: Is ^_ (alternate composer) supported in -pico-? Is there a .picorc file? Should there be? How can we get ispell (native mode!) to work in -pico-? -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 09:49:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24217; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:49:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11040; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:29:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11034; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:29:45 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11444; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:29:44 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20225; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:27:08 -0800 Received: from uwavm.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09576; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:27:22 -0800 Message-Id: <9401241327.AA09576@mx1.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 8399; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:26:03 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU by UWAVM.U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) with BSMTP id 2535; Mon, 24 Jan 94 05:26:03 PST Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (NJE origin CMS2@ETSU) by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6807; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:26:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:24:51 EST From: Bill Williams Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 24 Jan 1994 11:36:53 +1100 (EST) from Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:29:38 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-Subject: Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: On Mon, 24 Jan 1994 11:36:53 +1100 (EST) Charlie Brady said: >On Sat, 22 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: >> Pine folks: Please consider implementing ispell as the standard >> spell-checker in pine, and provide modified ispell commands ... >Sounds good to me. Ahhh... before y'awl do that little thing, be sure 'ispell' is a standard speller available for/on any pine (unix/aix) platform. Having said that, what is 'ispell'? Where do I get it? Will it run on aix? --------------------------------------- Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support East Tennessee (615) 929-6853 State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 09:53:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24368; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12171; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:38:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12165; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:38:52 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA05568; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:38:50 PST Received: from hal.usc.edu by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11840; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:38:49 PST Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19470; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:38:48 PST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Terry Gray Cc: Klaus Zeuge , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Klaus, > We agree. > > The fact that Pine displays some messages after they are no longer relevant, > thus causing confusion, is definitely a known bug, and it is definitely on > the list of things we want to improve this year. (As usual, I can't predict > exactly when.) > > -teg > > On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > > > ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a > > > moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate > > > > I think the handling of error messages in Pine is pretty bad. It seems to > > me, whenever Pine wants to display an error message, it puts the message > > on an internal queue. The messages on the queue are displayed one at a > > time, with a pause between them. During this, the user can go around > > doing other things, making more error or no errors at all. The messages > > keep being displayed. Very annoying, especially as a displayed message > > has nothing at all to do with what the user has done in the last couple > > of seconds. > > > > A simple way to demonstrate this, is to start Pine without -z, ie not > > suspendable, and then pressing CNTRL/Z some ten times. After that, start > > reading mail, composing mail, whatever. > > > > Is this a bug in the implementation of UNIX/Pine 3.89? > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 10:19:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24811; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:19:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12348; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12341; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:19 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA06669; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:17 PST Received: from hal.usc.edu by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11871; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:16 PST Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19525; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:53:15 PST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Read only folders for some, read-write for others To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII (By the way, sorry for that previous message, when I realized I was responding to the wrong one I hit control-X instead of control-C. Guess my nerves are still a little rattled from the earthquake :-} Terry, If the first message were suppressed, I think that would be alright. But really what I am most interested in is suppressing the beep. I'd prefer my system not warn me (especially audibly) about something I fully intended to do ("Psst, excuse me, did you know your fly is up?"). I think it would be beneficial to have an option on an IMAP folder to specify read-only, although I would agree that it may not be the most popular Wish to be added to The List. I'm no programmer, but it seems that Pine can figure out if a file is read-only for itself, it should be fairly easy to tell it what to expect ahead of time ;-) Elmar On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Elmar, > If the first message was suppressed, would that meet your needs? > > You can certainly build a pseudo-newsgroup, but updating it is not quite > as convenient as just using a simple mailbox format. > > The question of when/how to display ReadOnly-ness is non-trivial, since > there are several degrees of ReadOnly-ness. (For example, newsgroups are > not completely read-only because you can set one flag (D) that gets saved > in your .newsrc. In the future there will be other variations on this > theme as well.) > > -teg > > On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > Terry, > > > > The first message is: > > > > [-no folder- : Can't get write access to mailbox, access is readonly] > > > > ...and then: > > > > [Folder "incoming" opened with 4 messages READONLY] > > > > ...accompanied by a beep. The second message seems to be delayed for a > > moment, which is expected, but can be confusing for our intermediate > > users. If I want ten people to open a given folder read-only as often as > > once every five minutes, and one person to open it read-write, my little > > system seems less than attractive. > > > > If this is not the most efficient method, perhaps someone on the list can > > put me on the path towards something better. Would an internal news > > server be the answer? And would I still be able to control the access on > > an individual? And would it be worth the time to try and fire up news > > just for this purpose? Any answers and hints are welcome, send them to > > ekurgpol@law.usc.edu. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Elmar > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > > > > Elmar, > > > There shouldn't be any problem providing shared RO access to a folder via > > > IMAP, but I don't know of any way to suppress the messages that warn the > > > user that access is Read-Only. > > > > > > Could you be more specific about the "wierd behavior" you referred to? > > > > > > -teg > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > > > > > I've been trying to setup a folder that many people could open up with > > > > read-only access, and one designated person could read and write. I tried > > > > some variations on the methods in the attached message below, but couldn't > > > > get anything to work with IMAP. By the way, I want this folder to be > > > > treated as an incoming folder. > > > > > > > > Right now, the only thing that works is > > > > > > > > incoming-folders=incoming {develop}/home/develop/compute/incoming > > > > > > > > Then I just do some Unix group ownership tricks to allow only the owner of > > > > the file to modify it. However, this results in some strange messages and > > > > weird behavior when opening the folder read-only, which I'd like to avoid > > > > since it is confusing. Anyone have any ideas how I can do this and still > > > > use IMAP? > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 10:45:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25508; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:45:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12406; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:57:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12399; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:57:27 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA07078; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:57:05 PST Received: from hal.usc.edu by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11889; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:57:05 PST Received: by hal.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19553; Mon, 24 Jan 94 09:56:58 PST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Another place for ^C To: Richard Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I've also wanted a control-C to cancel out of folder selection. I realize that the name of the folder I have open is at the top of the screen, but if I didn't want to go to the folder list anyways it may take me a few seconds to figure out where I am. ------------------------------------- ,-,,-, __ | Elmar Kurgpold | ______/ /_,' | | Network Administrator | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |<) (> | | The Law Center | ( | oo | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | ) `| |--' | (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| ------------------------------------- (____' On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Richard Lee wrote: > Sometimes ^C would be welcome where it is not available. I was > reading a letter in my inbox and wanted to print it. I don't often do > that, so I forgot what letter of the alphabet is used to print mail this > week. I remembered it wasn't "P". So I tried "L." Naturally I got into > a screen allowing me to change folders. I didn't want to be there. I > wanted to return to what I was. But no, ^C wouldn't let me do that. I > had to return to the main menu, go from there to the index, then down to > the message I was reading, then read that. A simple ^C would have been > easier. > > -- > > Dr. Richard Lee rlee@comp.uark.edu > Department of Philosophy Old Main 318 rlee@uafsysb.BITNET > University of Arkansas phone: 501-575-5826 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 11:21:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26290; Mon, 24 Jan 94 11:21:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12293; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:57:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12287; Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:57:40 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <11543-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 18:56:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 18:58:30 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: uNread flag on Saved messages To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just been tidying up my mailboxes, saving a lot of the mail which I have read in other mailboxes, and then changing into another mailbox shows the messages as unread! Is this a bug or a feature? (Using PC Pine 3.89 with IMAP to access mailboxes) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 13:19:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29759; Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:19:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13696; Mon, 24 Jan 94 12:46:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13644; Mon, 24 Jan 94 12:43:03 -0800 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #115) id m0pOY7h-000BzjC; Mon, 24 Jan 94 20:43 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 20:43:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Reply-To: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Verbosity and Obscurity To: Ken Schriner Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I certainly agree about working on important things, but please remember all the time that while this mail list no doubt contains a number of computer freaks (sorry, experienced computer users :-)), users of PINE (mine at any rate) are on average anything but; they include Poles, Czecks, Italians, Nigerians, Ghanaians, CHinese, Japanese, and so on; some have a hard time with English and all they want is ease of use, simplicity of language, and predictability. So "nice features to stop something being bor,del> predictable" should definitely NOT appear on the work list. On the other hand, I would guess that cutting out the "produce a random string" code would be the work of a moment. There - that does feel better! :-) On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, Ken Schriner wrote: > I'd like to cast my vote in the "who cares" pool. I never even noticed > it until this group started talking about it. Consistent user > interface? A very noble goal. But we never see it in life. > > What's shaking, how you doing, good morning, you're a sight for sore > eyes, what's happening. All good greetings. > > I say work on something more important (anything is.) > > > Ken Schriner ks06054@uafsysb > University of Arkansas kschrine@comp.uark.edu > > > ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 15:26:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03336; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:26:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15984; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:10:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from hurricane.seas.ucla.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15976; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:09:57 -0800 Received: by hurricane.seas.ucla.edu (5.65/1.37(UCLA esa 1.005)) id AA09960; Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:09:52 -0800 From: quy@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu Message-Id: <9401242309.AA09960@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: pine compile problem To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:09:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1773 Hi! Everyone: I got a compile problem here. I tried to compile pine3.89 on AIX 2.2, but it didn't work. Some one told me that I have to change cc to bsdcc in order to compile the proram. Then I changed cc to bsdcc in the build script. That made me have pico only and some warnings. Afterwards he said I have to add the command of -D and change the compiler variables to -D_NONSTD_TYPES and -D_NO_PROTO. What I should change in build script? Thanks for your help. Forwarded message: > > > > > Try using the command bsdcc it relaxes the compiler. Or look in the file > > > > > /etc/cc.cft for -D flags to use. > > > > > IBM has used the HCR compiler exclusively for the 370/390 series > > > > > machines for the past 5 or 6 years certanly since the devlopment of > > > > > AIX/ESA began. > > > > > > > > > > Your problem comes from loose usage of types, and differences between the > > > > > official (OSF/POSIX) deffinitions of some things and the other 'standard' > > > > > definitions of same. > > > > > > Change the compiler specification to be bsdcc (from cc). -D is used to > > > define things to the c compiler. Turning on ome of the flags disables > > > some of the more strict type checking (there is type checking and type checking > > > HCR compilers are notorious for being real picky). > > The -D command to the compiler is used to define various compiler variables, > the ones that are of interest are: > -D_NONSTD_TYPES > Turns on some nonstandard typing > -D_NO_PROTO > Inhibits funcion prototyping from the system include files. > > In general it is very difficult to compile a complex program when you don't > understand the compiler and system that your are working on. You should > seek help from a knowledgable classmate. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 17:26:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07111; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:26:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18843; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:24:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snare.dorm.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18837; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:24:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (kashmir@localhost) by snare.dorm.umd.edu (8.6.4/Linux) id UAA12956; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 20:24:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 20:24:18 +0000 From: Mike Grupenhoff Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Mike Ramey Cc: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > P.S.: In spell-checking this message (using 'spell' via ^T key), > I discovered the following anomaly: > - the following 1 line produces 3 spelling errors: > and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. > - the following 3 lines produce -no- spelling errors: > 'diskette', > 'telnet', > 'email'(!), etc. I think this is because spell only prints out each misspelling once, no matter how many times it occurs. (The script I posted does this, because listing each error multiple times doesn't jive well with pine.) > BUT WAIT ... If you spell check this message just as it is before you, > the three errors (email, diskette, telnet) will be reported in the list > at the top of the message, BUT ... if you remove this P.S. and run the > spell-check again, NO ERRORS will be reported! I have no proof, but I'm guessing that pine remembers which words you didn't correct in previous spell checks, and won't keep harrassing you about them on subsequent checks. Therefore, pine remembered you saying that email, diskette, and telnet were ok, and passed over them in the second spell check. --- Mike Grupenhoff kashmir@wam.umd.edu There's no place like ~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 17:27:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07963; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:27:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19676; Mon, 24 Jan 94 18:36:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19670; Mon, 24 Jan 94 18:36:47 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA01598 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:35:44 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA03708; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:54:26 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA22707; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:54:28 EST Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 10:54:27 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: error messages To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another point regarding error messages being queued and appearing when they are no longer relevant, if a save is done to a non-existant folder, the user is prompted about whether to create the folder or not. Then oafter the user says yes, and the message is saved in the newly created folder, the system error message "No such file or directory" is displayed. This message should never be placed in the error message queue. Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 17:30:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11161; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:30:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22299; Tue, 25 Jan 94 01:56:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22289; Tue, 25 Jan 94 01:56:35 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26224-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:56:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:58:41 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: PC pine password saving feature To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been stuffing my password into PC Pine to save typing it every time I run Pine (dodgy, I know, but hacking around with the setup I fire it up and close it down so many times it gets tedious). Anyway, yesterday Pine suddenly asks me if I'd like the password saved on disk. I don't know what I did to make it do so - I had just reduced my folder-collections from 2 to 1 which was IMAP-accessed, so maybe that was it. And I don't suppose the protection it gives is very strong - it is encrypted, but it's the same number of characters as the password - but it's better than having the password floating about in plain text as I had! What i'd like to know is (1) how one can intentionally get Pine to do this, and (2) how I can get Unix Pine to do the same? Oh and whether there's a plain text or postscript manual for Pine around (there's a file pine-info which is almost 200K and has some wierd MAN-page type formatting in it, and I'm told there's a postscript file 'amongst the sources' but our ftp connection to ftp.cac.washington is a bit flaky and I haven't yet found it. If anyone's got a copy could they attach it (possibly ZIPped up) and send it to me? Thanks. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 17:31:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12838; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:31:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23388; Tue, 25 Jan 94 04:30:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23382; Tue, 25 Jan 94 04:30:03 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <15241-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:14:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 12:12:45 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: PC pine password saving feature To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Jan 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > Anyway, yesterday Pine suddenly asks me if I'd like the password saved on > disk. I don't know what I did to make it do so - I had just reduced my > folder-collections from 2 to 1 which was IMAP-accessed, so maybe that was > it. ........................................ > > What i'd like to know is (1) how one can intentionally get Pine to do > this, and (2) how I can get Unix Pine to do the same? > > John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk > Reading University 0734 318435 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > PC-PINE Will do this if there is a file PINE.SIG in \PINE; this contains the encrypted PW; if this is not accepted by the remote Unix, then PINE will request the PW and ask if you want to store it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 24 17:31:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13097; Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:31:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23819; Tue, 25 Jan 94 05:37:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23813; Tue, 25 Jan 94 05:37:38 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09125; Tue, 25 Jan 94 05:37:38 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 05:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Re: Use ispell as standard speller, with modified commands? To: Pine-Info Email List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Mike Grupenhoff wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 1994, Mike Ramey wrote: > > P.S.: In spell-checking this message (using 'spell' via ^T key), > > I discovered the following anomaly: > > - the following 1 line produces 3 spelling errors: > > and 'diskette', 'telnet', 'email'(!), etc. > > - the following 3 lines produce -no- spelling errors: > > 'diskette', > > 'telnet', > > 'email'(!), etc. > > I think this is because spell only prints out each misspelling once, ... NO. If the message contains only the list, no spelling errors are found; if the message contains only the one-line phrase, 3 errors are found. -mr > > BUT WAIT ... If you spell check this message just as it is before you, > > the three errors (email, diskette, telnet) will be reported in the list > > at the top of the message, BUT ... if you remove this P.S. and run the > > spell-check again, NO ERRORS will be reported! > > I have no proof, but I'm guessing that pine remembers which words you > didn't correct in previous spell checks, and won't keep harrassing you > about them on subsequent checks. NO. Pine spell (^T) will report the same errors every time. -mr From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 25 10:59:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02088; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:59:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26974; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:20:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26968; Tue, 25 Jan 94 10:20:33 -0800 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA15752; Tue, 25 Jan 94 09:39:09 PST Received: from chip.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id JAA11864; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:40:09 -0800 Received: from localhost by chip.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id JAA05783; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:44:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel D. Todd" Reply-To: "Daniel D. Todd" Subject: filter, cont. To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII First, Thanks to all who responded to my questions re: getting .forwrd files to work with filter. The problem was that I was logging on to a different machine than our MTA (sendmail) thought I should. So I was putting .forward in one alias for $HOME and sendmail was looking to another. No one on campus could help but with a little trial and error I found out. Well, now I have no problem forwarding mail using .forward but I can't get it piped into a program (filter). If I both forward and attempt to filter it the recipient gets an error message. It looks like the pipe feature of sendmail is inactive on campus. That I will work out with our postmaster or sysadmin. In the mean time I have .cshrc execute the script from the elm faq to sort my mail on login. The problem is that if a piece of mail isn't nabbed by one of the filter rules it is recopied into the inbox. And the messages that do fit a filter rule are copied into the assigned folder but they are also left in my inbox. Do I need to give a delete dommand too? If so, how do I apply multiple actions to a single message? thanks for all the help, I think I'm getting close. Dan *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * * Davis CA 95616 * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * I do not speak for the University of California.... * * and it sure as hell doesn't speak for me!! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Jan 25 23:45:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18388; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:45:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05395; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:26:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from husc3.harvard.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05389; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:26:20 -0800 Received: from HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU by HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU (PMDF V4.2-13 #4724) id <01H83ZG5XPG091VSW5@HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU>; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 02:25:52 EST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 02:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Bill Ouchark, Networks Group, (617) 495-1271" Subject: Default Folder Name Selection (PC-Pine) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: ouchark@HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU Message-Id: <01H84ERTDGH491VSW5@HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Is there a way in PC-Pine 3.89 to set the name of the folder used by default for Saves? It defaults to "savemail", but as I have a remote folder collection used as the default I would prefer to use "saved-messages". I did notice the "saved-msg-name-rule=" option in NEWSRC, but it doesn't appear to have the option of choosing a specific name. -Bill Ouchark- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 01:56:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20564; Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:56:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06289; Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:29:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06283; Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:29:32 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13941-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:29:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:31:49 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: PC Pine/IMAP Gotcha! To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I came a cropper on this one so I'll share it with the list - if there's a FAQ list maybe it should go in there? Using PC-Pine with IMAP to access folders on a Unix host one has to set folder-collections, documented in the comments in PINERC as follows (3.89): # folder-collections specifies a list of folder collections wherein saved # messages are stored. The first collection is the default for saves. # Collection syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] # Example: # folder-collections=Saved-Email {foo.bar.edu}mail/[], # Widget-Project widget/[], <-- Valid only in Unix Pine # Local-PC mail\[] <-- Valid only in PC-Pine Although with 20:20 hindsight it is obvious that the form: {imapserver}directory/[] applies, I set it as: {imapserver}directory\[] (because I was using PC-Pine) and this resulted in the mail folders on my Unix filesystem being ~/mail\folder1 ~/mail\folder2 etc rather than ~/mail/folder1 etc - i.e. with a backslash in each name. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 07:20:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26601; Wed, 26 Jan 94 07:20:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08744; Wed, 26 Jan 94 06:36:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sunstel.asu.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08736; Wed, 26 Jan 94 06:35:59 -0800 Received: by sunstel.asu.cas.cz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25144; Wed, 26 Jan 94 15:35:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:35:15 +0100 (MET) From: Petr Skoda Reply-To: Petr Skoda Subject: Suggestions to PINE improvment To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Dear PINE developers, let me suggest several add-ons to your excellent program. I use it everyday and I am very satisfied with it. I came to PINE after notice of Barry Bouwsma in our local BITNET discussion list csinfo-l where we had been just discussing methods of processing of incoming mail from listservers. Soon after my comment that the Save should be done also by Sender field Barry modified the source of v 3.85 and I am glad that you have included this in later versions After long time of usage of PINE I have several other ideas how to improve the management of mail from discussion lists: 1) The sort-key option should include value "sender", so I could have all mail from each listserver displayed together. Inside this should be applied the option arrival. 2) Some listservers have very unconvenient Sender field that says little about the subject of the list (e.g. one Czech discussion list on SCO machine have sender field maiser.). So it would be nice to have some other configuration file (say .pinesaveto) which would map the sender: field to actual name of folder (including path) 3) Other improvement could allow the save command from index screen with possibility of selection of several messages together (some form of marking -highlighting) and all messages from each sender. 4) Other configuration option (say header-display with values from:, sender:, recipient ... ) should change a form of presentation of headers in index. The from: field in massages form listserver is not very useful - better is sender: (but may left as it is if the sort-by-sender will be used) 5) For sending mail to international and local lists would be nice to have two various signatures (one in local language and in English). In BSD mail is the option ~A ~a for appending the .Signature and .signature files respectively. I suggest the usage of some key to include the .Signature file or .signature and have the possibility not to append it just after start of composing (say option choose-signature) 6) There should be a possibility during Sending message to invoke a sendmail with -v (verbose mode) that displays a SMTP conversation between machines. It is useful when you try a new address and you are not sure wheather it is right or if you need to see that the massage was delivered to the target machine (to recipient) just now. I suggest either an auxiliary question "Verbose sending ? [n]:" after ^X (Send) or two cases of Send command ^X normal send in background ^x verbose mode. I know that for processing of mail-lists there are better programs (e.g.procmail) but these will save incoming messages in time of delivery. But I want to see what has just come alltogether and then sort to various folders myself but with smallest effort (saving keystrokes). Let me know, please, whether you have accepted any my suggestion and what form of its implementation will be used. Regards, ************************************************************************* * Petr Skoda Phone : +42-204-85201, ext. 361 * * Stellar Department +42-2-724525 * * Astronomical Institute CAS Fax : +42-2-881611 * * 251 65 Ondrejov e-mail: skoda@sunstel.asu.cas.cz * * Czech Republic aststel@csearn.bitnet * ************************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 09:33:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA01373; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:33:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10531; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:05:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10525; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:05:54 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24593; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:05:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:05:11 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Suggestions to PINE improvment To: Petr Skoda Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Petr, Thank you for the good suggestions! See my comments below. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 26 Jan 1994, Petr Skoda wrote: > > Dear PINE developers, > let me suggest several add-ons to your excellent program. > I use it everyday and I am very satisfied with it. > I came to PINE after notice of Barry Bouwsma in our local BITNET discussion > list csinfo-l where we had been just discussing methods of processing > of incoming mail from listservers. Soon after my comment that the Save > should be done also by Sender field Barry modified the source of v 3.85 > and I am glad that you have included this in later versions > > After long time of usage of PINE I have several other ideas how to improve > the management of mail from discussion lists: > > 1) The sort-key option should include value "sender", so I could have all > mail from each listserver displayed together. Inside this should be > applied the option arrival. > This is a good suggestion. We will also have other ways to group messages in the next version of Pine. e.g. you will be able to Zoom in on a set of messages. > 2) Some listservers have very unconvenient Sender field that says little > about the subject of the list (e.g. one Czech discussion list on SCO > machine have sender field maiser.). So it would be nice to have some > other configuration file (say .pinesaveto) which would map the sender: > field to actual name of folder (including path) > The handling of the Sender field by listserv is very unfortunate. There have been some other suggestions how to handle a save-by-alias operation, but we have not decided on a strategy yet. > 3) Other improvement could allow the save command from index screen with > possibility of selection of several messages together (some form of marking > -highlighting) and all messages from each sender. > This is coming in the next version of Pine. > 4) Other configuration option (say header-display with values from:, > sender:, recipient ... ) should change a form of presentation of headers > in index. The from: field in massages form listserver is not very useful - > better is sender: (but may left as it is if the sort-by-sender will be > used) > This is an interesting suggestion. We will have to give it some consideration. > 5) For sending mail to international and local lists would be nice to have > two various signatures (one in local language and in English). In BSD mail > is the option ~A ~a for appending the .Signature and .signature > files respectively. I suggest the usage of some key to include the > .Signature file or .signature and have the possibility not to > append it just after start of composing (say option choose-signature) > Several variations of this have been suggested. For now, you might try naming your signature files .s and .S, then use ^R to read in the appropriate one on each message. > 6) There should be a possibility during Sending message to invoke a sendmail > with -v (verbose mode) that displays a SMTP conversation between machines. > It is useful when you try a new address and you are not sure wheather it is > right or if you need to see that the massage was delivered to the target > machine (to recipient) just now. > I suggest either an auxiliary question > "Verbose sending ? [n]:" after ^X (Send) or two cases of Send command > ^X normal send in background > ^x verbose mode. > Hmmm... This would definitely be a power-user feature... BTW, ^x and ^X are the same character... > > I know that for processing of mail-lists there are better programs > (e.g.procmail) but these will save incoming messages in time of delivery. > But I want to see what has just come alltogether and then sort to various > folders myself but with smallest effort (saving keystrokes). > Stay tuned, improvements are coming... > Let me know, please, whether you have accepted any my suggestion and what > form of its implementation will be used. > > > Regards, > > ************************************************************************* > * Petr Skoda Phone : +42-204-85201, ext. 361 * > * Stellar Department +42-2-724525 * > * Astronomical Institute CAS Fax : +42-2-881611 * > * 251 65 Ondrejov e-mail: skoda@sunstel.asu.cas.cz * > * Czech Republic aststel@csearn.bitnet * > ************************************************************************* > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 10:54:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03515; Wed, 26 Jan 94 10:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12791; Wed, 26 Jan 94 10:18:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dir.bris.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12771; Wed, 26 Jan 94 10:17:56 -0800 Received: from adm1.bristol.ac.uk by dir.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <01091-0@dir.bris.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:16:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:15:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave King Reply-To: Dave King Subject: 'A' & 'N' msg status To: Pine Information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII 'A' status ---------- When a message has been answered using (R)eply, the message's status field is updated to show an 'A' - as expected. If however, a reply is *postponed* and resumed, the status field is not updated to indicate that an (A)nswer has been mailed. I've had a quick look at the code and I see that it's the c-client that does the updating of X-Status. I don't know how easily this anomaly could be resolved, so is it worthwhile either: 1. indicating in Pine's help that 'A' is not infallible. 2. Amend Pine and/or the c-client to cope with postponed replies - maybe a lot of work ... 'N' status ---------- Pine's help on this field (in common with all other mailers I know of) states that this message is 'new' but in fact I've noticed that if a message 'comes in' and is *not* read, it's 'Status:' field changes to: Status: RO = OLD Status: O = SEEN but *not* READ When the mailbox is rewritten on exit. I think I've got this the right way around! With this information, it should be possible to present on entry to a folder (INBOX?) information to convey how many messages have: 1. Previously arrived, and have not been read (Unseen). 2. Just arrived (New). 3. Previously arrived and have been read (Old). This information is used here when our menu system initialises to inform the user that there may be messages that need reading (New & Unseen). Pine must parse the mailbox at the moment to setup the status flag display so would it be worthwhile having a 'U' flag to indicate the message's 'unread' status? (although I know many mailers use 'U' to indicate urgent). Is this worthwhile information? Maybe I'm being pedantic but should a 'new' message really be a brand-new message and not an unread message that has previously been 'seen' in the index? Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave King, Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol Dave.King@uk.ac.Bristol (JANET) Dave.King@Bristol.ac.uk (INTERNET) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 11:05:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA03991; Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:05:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11506; Wed, 26 Jan 94 10:27:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11496; Wed, 26 Jan 94 10:26:15 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <07889-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:25:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:28:23 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: enhancement request To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I tidy up my inbox, I read my messages and save them to the appropriate folders. As I save each message it is marked as deleted in the current mailbox. I have to press 'N' to move to the next message. I would like PINE automatically to skip to the next undeleted message. (One could still get into a message marked as deleted, from the index, by pointing to it and hitting ENTER) Possibly this behaviour could be controlled by a flag, like delete-skips-deleted. When tagging becomes available I would like a similar behaviour i.e. when reading each message and skipping to the next/previous with N/P that Pine jumps past already tagged messages. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 12:17:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06364; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:17:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13693; Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:20:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13687; Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:20:13 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22043; Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:20:12 -0800 Return-Path: <0212071@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU> Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20735; Wed, 26 Jan 94 02:04:30 -0800 Received: from vaxa.northwest.missouri.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07387; Wed, 26 Jan 94 02:04:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 4:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: "If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride." <0212071@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU> To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu, 0212071@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU Message-Id: <940126040457.2060d2c0@NORTHWEST.MISSOURI.EDU> Subject: pine setup on standalone dos-pc Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 11:20:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-Subject: Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: I'm looking for a software package that will read and write mime encoded messages. I was hoping pine would do this for me. After downloading pine, I read all the text file I could find but could not find the answers I need. Because of my situation, I have to read mail from over a modem connection into our college. I have NO access to system file from the Vax (we use SMTP). I would like to download my mail over a modem onto my pc. Then decodand read (or visualize and listen to) my mail. I do have a sound blaster. To my understanding, mime messages can be told to retrive files from other systems when reading the mail. I would like to be able to identify this option to extract the address and directory tree since I would not be able to do this with the configuration I'm hoping for. But I could go out at some other tito these files. I know this may seem like a system that is less then desirable but this is the only way I could read mime messages without having access to the mainframe or its system files. If pine can not do what I need, please direct me in the right direction. After reading the files to configure pine I have realized that this is not very user friendly (no software for mime I have found is user friendly). Even a commercial software that can accomplish my goals without having to be an internet or system administrator expert would be nice. If I have sent this message to the wrong address please let me know and send it to the appropriate location. If you believe the pi mailing list could help, please add my address to it. Eric Dierkens 0212071@northwest.missouri.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Jan 26 12:56:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07324; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:56:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15067; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15061; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:45 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA05189; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:42 PST Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17940; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:41 PST Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12035; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:28:40 PST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 12:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Reply-To: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: building on Solaris with gcc To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I hope someone can help me. I'm running Solaris 2.3 on an IPC, and just compiled gcc 2.5.8, which went perfectly (as near as I can tell). Here are some of the messages when compiling pine (with "build sol") [...] Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h gcc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:41, from headers.h:78, from addrbook.c:69: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/string.h:30: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/string.h:32: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/string.h:38: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/string.h:39: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:47, from headers.h:78, from addrbook.c:69: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/unistd.h:171: conflicting types for `rename' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/stdio.h:120: previous declaration of `rename' *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' [...] Of course, I get no pine or pico executable, but imapd and mtest are there. There were similar errors or warnings for all parts. TIA for your help! --Elmar ------------------------------------- ,-,,-, __ | Elmar Kurgpold | ______/ /_,' | | Network Administrator | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |<) (> | | The Law Center | ( | oo | | ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | ) `| |--' | (213)740-2571 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| ------------------------------------- (____' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 01:44:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20468; Thu, 27 Jan 94 01:44:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20970; Thu, 27 Jan 94 01:23:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20963; Thu, 27 Jan 94 01:23:32 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27390-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 09:18:28 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA06555; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:25:13 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 09:20:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell Subject: Re: 'A' & 'N' msg status To: Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jan 1994, Dave King wrote: > 'A' status > ---------- > When a message has been answered using (R)eply, the message's status > field is updated to show an 'A' - as expected. > > If however, a reply is *postponed* and resumed, the status field is not > updated to indicate that an (A)nswer has been mailed. I, too, have noticed this bug. Ideally I'd like to see the "A" flag set correctly, but guess there may be context saving problems (for example the message you're replying to may be deleted before the postponed reply is actually sent?) > 'N' status > ---------- > Pine's help on this field (in common with all other mailers I know of) > states that this message is 'new' but in fact I've noticed that if a > message 'comes in' and is *not* read, it's 'Status:' field changes to: > > Status: RO = OLD > Status: O = SEEN but *not* READ > > When the mailbox is rewritten on exit. I think I've got this the right > way around! > > With this information, it should be possible to present on entry to a > folder (INBOX?) information to convey how many messages have: > > 1. Previously arrived, and have not been read (Unseen). > 2. Just arrived (New). > 3. Previously arrived and have been read (Old). I agree that with this information it certainly SHOULD be possible to to have "New", "Old" and "Unseen" (Elm does it). HOWEVER one of the nice things about Pine IMHO is that it DOESN'T (by default) do this. Trying to explain the subtleties of the difference between the three cases to new or naive users is not easy. IWhen we moved from Elm to Pine I was glad to see the back of this. If the Powers That Be do decide to re-introduce this PLEASE let it be configurable offable! Mike B-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 03:15:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21700; Thu, 27 Jan 94 03:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21527; Thu, 27 Jan 94 02:45:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dummy1.dur.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21521; Thu, 27 Jan 94 02:45:35 -0800 Received: from vega.dur.ac.uk by dummy1.dur.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <15491-0@dummy1.dur.ac.uk>; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:45:00 +0000 Received: from draco.dur.ac.uk by vega.dur.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 94 10:44:44 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:44:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Roger Gawley Subject: New / Unseen To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think that the distinction between new messages and unseen messages is one that most users neither understand nor want. (I understand it but I do not want it.) Pine should continue to treat these as equivalent. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 07:48:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25097; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:48:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24759; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:08:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24753; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:08:03 -0800 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA14087; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: Sherry Lake Subject: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included forwarded message. Thanks. ----- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 08:19:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25772; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:19:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24032; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:56:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24024; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:56:17 -0800 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11893; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:56:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: Sherry Lake Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That's actually what save message does. You can give any file name to the save command and Pine will write the message with full headers to it. Save defaults to the ~/mail directory, where export defaults to the home directory. There's a few other differences too, for example save locks the target file first. Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On Thu, 27 Jan 1994, Sherry Lake wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) > From: Sherry Lake > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers > > I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep > all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a > message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like > it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included > forwarded message. > > Thanks. > > ----- > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 08:30:38 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26135; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:30:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25101; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from red2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25095; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:02:40 -0800 Received: by red2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05571; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:02:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 08:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: David Wall Subject: Re: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: Sherry Lake Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sherry, If you use "S"ave, all the headers are preserved. So when I need full headers I "S"ave to whatever file is appropriate. To include all those headers in a forwarded message you could '^R"ead in the file. Pine does have an option to include headers in reply, but you only get four lines of headers, as shown in your message below. --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491 Univ. of Washington HG-45 davidw@u.washington.edu On Thu, 27 Jan 1994, Sherry Lake wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) > From: Sherry Lake > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers > > I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep > all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a > message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like > it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included > forwarded message. > > Thanks. > > ----- > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 08:40:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26558; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:40:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24416; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:22:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24410; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:22:32 -0800 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = ph10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #115) id m0pPZU7-000BzRC; Thu, 27 Jan 94 16:22 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 16:22:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Re: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: Sherry Lake Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 893 > I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep > all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a > message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like > it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included > forwarded message. This has proved troublesome to us too. We have suffered some incidents of mail spoofing, and the person investigating always says "please send me the offending message, including all the headers". The trouble is that it is usually inexperienced users who suffer these incidents, and they are just the ones who can't even display the headers, let alone forward them... -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 09:09:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27592; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:09:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25553; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:46:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from isumvs.iastate.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25547; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:46:35 -0800 Received: from 147.155.30.12 by ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU; Thu, 27 Jan 94 10:47:01 CST Received: by tc2.fi.ameslab.gov (920110.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @isumvs.iastate.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA21792; Thu, 27 Jan 94 10:43:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:43:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregory J. Atchity" Subject: Suggestions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just joined this group a week ago, and I see a lot of suggestions, so I guess they are welcomed by the designers. I'll put my two cents in, let me know if you want any more of my money. First, I'd rather see the number of lines in a message in the index instead of the number of characters it has. I don't receive that much mime, and so lines is a bit more useful to me. Perhaps that should be an option. Second, why does the 'To:' line require commas between members of a list? I don't know much about mail programs, but I thought all addresses had to be one word, and so I'd like to see Pine parse each word regardless of whether it has a comma after it or not, and insert the commas for me if I forget. This sounds do-able to me, even if aliases can be multi-word. Thanks for listening. --- Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 09:14:04 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA27911; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:14:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25156; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:54:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from csgrad.cs.vt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25150; Thu, 27 Jan 94 08:54:38 -0800 Received: by csgrad.cs.vt.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA13547; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:53:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: Laurence Lundblade Subject: Re: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: Philip Hazel Cc: Sherry Lake , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not sure this will solve the problem but it's an idea. It's not currently the default, but if you set enable-forward-as-MIME and have the user answer "y" to the "forward as MIME" question the message is forwarded with all it's headers. The recipient only sees the full headers of the message if they turn on full headers so it would even be a reasonable default behavior in an all Pine or all MIME environment. Hopefully someday we'll have the ability to reply-to/save/forward messages that are forwarded in MIME format (the message forward message is like an attachment). Laurence Lundblade lgl@csgrad.cs.vt.edu 703-552-2537 Virginia Tech -- Blacksburg, Virginia On Thu, 27 Jan 1994, Philip Hazel wrote: > > > I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep > > all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a > > message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like > > it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included > > forwarded message. > > This has proved troublesome to us too. We have suffered some incidents of > mail spoofing, and the person investigating always says "please send me the > offending message, including all the headers". The trouble is that it is > usually inexperienced users who suffer these incidents, and they are just > the ones who can't even display the headers, let alone forward them... > > > -- > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 10:00:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29914; Thu, 27 Jan 94 10:00:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26076; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:31:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26070; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:31:12 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28718; Thu, 27 Jan 94 09:30:42 -0800 X-Sender: mramey@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Ramey Subject: Extract/Forward Messages and keep ALL Headers! To: Sherry Lake Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sherry - I saved your message in the pine folder named 'z' (which I use for temporary storage only), which is equivalent to "E"xtracting the message. Then I composed a message and ^R(ead) in the file 'z' from my 'mail' directory, which is equivalent to forwarding the message. The results are below. Of course, now I must delete the 'z' folder so it will be empty for my next use. The only thing I find strange is that the first line of the saved message is: From mramey@u.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 09:16:15 1994 Pine-folks: What's this mean? -mr ---------------------- >From mramey@u.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 09:16:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from tolstoy.u.washington.edu by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13144; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:53:00 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by tolstoy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04240; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:52:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24759; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:08:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24753; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:08:03 -0800 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA14087; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: Sherry Lake Subject: Extract Messages and keep ALL Headers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was wondering if there was a way in pine to extract a message and keep all headers (that is if you have "full header" display on and extract a message, I would like all headers saved in the file)? I would also like it if there was an option to turn on "keep all headers" in an included forwarded message. Thanks. ----- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 12:30:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05630; Thu, 27 Jan 94 12:30:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29783; Thu, 27 Jan 94 12:03:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29777; Thu, 27 Jan 94 12:03:37 -0800 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA18844; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 15:07:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 15:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell Subject: Kermit 0.9(57) Printing to attached Printer Prob. To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When Mac Kermit users print to an attached-ansi printer, we are seeing Kermit Capture Buffer overflows, and much of longer messages is lost. I cannot find a way to set the size of the Capture Buffer, or otherwise prevent it from overflowing....Could someone tell me how to enlarge the capture buffer.... -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Always promise a little less than you can deliver" : Montaigne From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 22:40:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15648; Thu, 27 Jan 94 22:40:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08074; Thu, 27 Jan 94 22:15:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08065; Thu, 27 Jan 94 22:15:00 -0800 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA04611; Thu, 27 Jan 94 21:00:09 PST Received: from chip.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id VAA14190; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 21:01:11 -0800 Received: from localhost by chip.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id VAA26997; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 21:05:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 21:05:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel D. Todd" Subject: filter, cont. (fwd) To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I sent this out last week. To any who answered, please mail your responses again if possible. It seems my .forward file was causing all of my mail to be dumped into the great cyber abyss. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 09:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel D. Todd To: pine-info Subject: filter, cont. First, Thanks to all who responded to my questions re: getting .forward files to work with filter. The problem was that I was logging on to a different machine than our MTA (sendmail) thought I should. So I was putting .forward in one alias for $HOME and sendmail was looking to another. No one on campus could help but with a little trial and error I found out. Well, now I have no problem forwarding mail using .forward but I can't get it piped into a program (filter). If I both forward and attempt to filter it the recipient gets an error message. It looks like the pipe feature of sendmail is inactive on campus. That I will work out with our postmaster or sysadmin. In the mean time I have .cshrc execute the script from the elm faq to sort my mail on login. The problem is that if a piece of mail isn't nabbed by one of the filter rules it is recopied into the inbox. And the messages that do fit a filter rule are copied into the assigned folder but they are also left in my inbox. Do I need to give a delete dommand too? If so, how do I apply multiple actions to a single message? thanks for all the help, I think I'm getting close. Dan *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * * Davis CA 95616 * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * I do not speak for the University of California.... * * and it sure as hell doesn't speak for me!! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Jan 27 23:30:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15985; Thu, 27 Jan 94 23:30:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08527; Thu, 27 Jan 94 23:12:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA08517; Thu, 27 Jan 94 23:12:28 -0800 Received: by utu.fi id <166786-7>; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:12:23 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:12:18 +0200 From: Kari Sutela Subject: Re: building on Solaris with gcc To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:47, > from headers.h:78, > from addrbook.c:69: > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/unistd.h:171: > conflicting types for `rename' > /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/2.5.8/include/stdio.h:120: > previous declaration of `rename' > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o' Sounds like there's something wrong with your include files (gcc uses its own set of includes as you can see). Did you run fixincludes during the gcc installation process? Did you re-run fixincludes when you upgraded from Solaris 2.2 to Solaris 2.3 (provided, of course, that you had been running Solaris 2.2 previously and your gcc was installing under 2.2)? This is just the reason I demanded that I get a "real" SparcWorks C compiler when we upgrade to Solaris 2.x. I'm sure that gcc is a good compiler WHEN you get it properly installed, but it's just too much hassle for me. /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 04:34:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20406; Fri, 28 Jan 94 04:34:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04234; Fri, 28 Jan 94 04:08:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04228; Fri, 28 Jan 94 04:07:54 -0800 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (TAP id = ph10) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #115) id m0pPrzG-000BzSC; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:07 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:07:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Hazel Subject: Clearing the INBOX To: maillist Pine Cc: "B. Landy" , Chris Thompson , "G. Chew" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1567 We run Pine on a multi-user Sun box, in the normal configuration where mail is delivered into /var/spool/mail/. A problem that is now beginning to hit us is that new users of computers don't appreciate that their INBOX is actually in a different filing system to their other folders, and they tend to leave all their mail in the INBOX (many of them don't even know how to move it to another folder). Consequently, our mail partition is beginning to show signs of strain. There are obviously various measures we can take to relieve this, but it was pointed out that Pine is different to many other MUAs in this area. MH, for example, always copies the messages out of the INBOX when you read them. Elm won't exit with messages still in the INBOX unless you tell it to leave them there; by default it copies them to a folder called (if I remember correctly) "saved-messages". We don't want to deliver mail into users' home directories, for a number of reasons (possible non-availability if remote, and unexpected and unpredictable exhaustion of quota being two main ones). Could you consider adding to Pine a feature like that of Elm, whereby the user is asked whether (s)he would like to have any mail remaining in the INBOX moved to a folder on exiting from Pine? Preferably controlled by an option in the global conf file. Regards, Philip -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 05:21:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21189; Fri, 28 Jan 94 05:21:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04462; Fri, 28 Jan 94 04:54:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from usit.oit.unc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04456; Fri, 28 Jan 94 04:54:54 -0800 Received: by usit.oit.unc.edu (5.65/TAS/11-16-88) id AA03618; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 07:53:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 07:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas E. Rutledge, III" Subject: Re: Kermit 0.9(57) Printing to attached Printer Prob. To: Dan Mandell Cc: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Jan 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > When Mac Kermit users print to an attached-ansi printer, we are seeing > Kermit Capture Buffer overflows, and much of longer messages is lost. > I cannot find a way to set the size of the Capture Buffer, or otherwise > prevent it from overflowing....Could someone tell me how to enlarge the > capture buffer.... Just in case you have not tried this, increas the memory size of MacKermit itself... If you have thought of this, then I have no useful suggestion, except that I hava not (yet) had any buffer overflows...(my MacKermit is set to 1024...) Good luck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ U U | Thomas E. Rutledge, III | (919) 962-6501 U U N N | UNC OIT User Services | U U N N N CCCC | CB # 3455 Phillips Hall | INTERNET Mail address: UUUU N N N C | Chapel Hill, NC 27599 | rutledge@unc.edu N N C |--------------------------------------------------------- CCCC | :( "Where ever you go, there you are ..." ): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 07:13:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22487; Fri, 28 Jan 94 07:13:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12209; Fri, 28 Jan 94 06:35:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12203; Fri, 28 Jan 94 06:35:08 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13083-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:34:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:34:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Clearing the INBOX To: Philip Hazel Cc: maillist Pine , "B. Landy" , Chris Thompson , "G. Chew" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 345 In 3.8x there's a read-message-folder= entry in .pinerc. This can be set to old-mail, etc etc. Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 07:24:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22611; Fri, 28 Jan 94 07:24:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12333; Fri, 28 Jan 94 06:52:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12327; Fri, 28 Jan 94 06:52:13 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <17973-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:51:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:49:30 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Clearing the INBOX To: Mike Roch Cc: Philip Hazel , maillist Pine , Chris Thompson , "G. Chew" X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > In 3.8x there's a > > read-message-folder= > > entry in .pinerc. This can be set to old-mail, etc etc. > Just what I was going to say! I use it for my own use of PINE. The only problem is that the system default is off (no action). For unix users the system config could be changed (in which case I suppose there would be no way of turning it off in the local .pinerc, only overriding with a different value); for PC-PINE users the only hope is persuasion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 07:41:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA22826; Fri, 28 Jan 94 07:41:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12473; Fri, 28 Jan 94 07:08:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA12467; Fri, 28 Jan 94 07:08:28 -0800 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA05379 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:08:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (amos@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA09326; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:08:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:08:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" Subject: Re: building on Solaris with gcc To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jan 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > I hope someone can help me. I'm running Solaris 2.3 on an IPC, and just > compiled gcc 2.5.8, which went perfectly (as near as I can tell). Here > are some of the messages when compiling pine (with "build sol") > > [...] > Making Pine. > rm -f os.h > ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h > ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h > gcc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c > In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:41, ....... The compile line I get is something like this: gcc -DSV4 -O2 -ansi -DANSI -c addrbook.c I have included my notes from when I first compiled pine-3.89 under Solaris. I just recompiled it again using gcc-2.5.8 under Solaris-2.3 and had no problems. Unfortunately, just doing "build sol" isn't sufficient to get everything to compile. You also have to fiddle with some of the files. Perhaps my notes will help..... Amos A. Gouaux Academic Computing Services amos@unt.edu UNIX Systems University of North Texas 817/565-4898 Administration PO Box 13495, Denton, TX 76203 FAX at -4060 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To compile pine on Solaris using gcc: 1. Under the distribution source directory, edit pine/makefile.sol. Specify the following make variables: CC= gcc CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -ansi -DANSI LDCC= gcc 2. In pine/osdep, edit the file os-sv4.h and make the following modifications: /*----------------- Are we ANSI? -----------------------------*/ #define ANSI /* this is an ANSI compiler */ /* #define const /* compiler doesn't support const */ 3. Under the distribution source directory, edit pico/makefile.sol. Specify the following make variables: CC= gcc LDCC= gcc CFLAGS= -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -ansi 4. Now actually get everything compiled. For the final version, I compile it as follows: % ./build sol CC="gcc" OPTIMIZE="-O2" DASHO="-O2" DEBUG="" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 09:16:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25249; Fri, 28 Jan 94 09:16:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13468; Fri, 28 Jan 94 08:43:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA13462; Fri, 28 Jan 94 08:42:53 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <29696-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:37:12 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA20798; Fri, 28 Jan 94 16:44:05 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:32:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell Subject: Re: Clearing the INBOX To: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You have two choices.... 1) Use the .pinerc variable (already mentioned in other replies) to set a "read messages" folder. Remember this can be set globally in the system Pine configuration file if you wish. However this moves the read messages into a totally separate folder that is treated just as any other folder (ie, quite separate from the INBOX). This means that users must explicitly open this folder in order to re-read messages they have already read once. Doesn't sound too bad, perhaps, but it's similar to the NEWMAIL and MAIL folders in VAX/VMS MAIL, which I found quite difficult to explain to people at times. A better choice might be... 2) Modify the Pine source code to call the mboxdriver routines *before* the bezerkdriver routines when it is initialising the list of mail drivers (I think it's in the main pine.c file from memory). [Basically it's a case of add one line in two places.] The mbox driver causes mail in the INBOX to be (silently) moved to a file called "mbox" in the user's home directory. This is then opened and treated as the INBOX. The upshot is that sendmail (or whatever) delivers mail to your system mail area (so you don't run into user quota problems). However as soon as the user starts Pine these messages get moved into their home directory (and so get charged against their personal disk quota). If there isn't enough disk quota an error message is displayed, and the new messages don't get shown (and so can't be read). One gotcha is that the code as supplied in the mbox.c file requires the presence of a (possibly empty, if not must be validly formatted) file called "mbox" in the home directory for the mail moving to occur. No doubt this can be easily changed along the lines of "If the file isn't there don't fail, just create one". The advantage of this approach is that unseen and read messages are still rationalised into one folder (still called INBOX within Pine, but actually $HOME/mbox) rather than forcing the split into totally separate folders. It also means that users can't get round it by overrinding the systemwide variable setting in their .pinerc file! We're looking at trying this out on a few of our own Staff, but need to be sure it'll work before doing it to users. ... It's a bit of a one-way street to go down! Mike B-) On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Philip Hazel wrote: > We run Pine on a multi-user Sun box, in the normal configuration where > mail is delivered into /var/spool/mail/. > > A problem that is now beginning to hit us is that new users of computers > don't appreciate that their INBOX is actually in a different filing > system to their other folders, and they tend to leave all their mail in > the INBOX (many of them don't even know how to move it to another > folder). Consequently, our mail partition is beginning to show signs of > strain. > > There are obviously various measures we can take to relieve this, but it > was pointed out that Pine is different to many other MUAs in this area. > MH, for example, always copies the messages out of the INBOX when you > read them. Elm won't exit with messages still in the INBOX unless you > tell it to leave them there; by default it copies them to a folder called > (if I remember correctly) "saved-messages". > > We don't want to deliver mail into users' home directories, for a number > of reasons (possible non-availability if remote, and unexpected and > unpredictable exhaustion of quota being two main ones). > > Could you consider adding to Pine a feature like that of Elm, whereby the > user is asked whether (s)he would like to have any mail remaining in the > INBOX moved to a folder on exiting from Pine? Preferably controlled by an > option in the global conf file. > > Regards, > Philip > > -- > Philip Hazel University Computing Service, > ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 223 334714 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 09:37:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25759; Fri, 28 Jan 94 09:37:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14027; Fri, 28 Jan 94 09:08:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gate.ggr.co.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA14015; Fri, 28 Jan 94 09:08:29 -0800 Received: from mailhub.ggr.co.uk by gate.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:52:12 GMT Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:50:15 GMT Received: from localhost by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (8.6.4/imd110593) id PAA03155; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:52:21 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:52:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Dunkin Subject: Pine locking (fwd) To: The Pine list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Had the following query from a user here. I'm sure I've seen discussion of this on the list, but it doesn't seem to have been implemented. Would it be a good thing to add? In summary: User runs Pine, leaves the session going User goes away and logs in from somwhere else; Pine correctly takes the lock from the first session User comes back to the first session. Would like a way to grab _back_ the lock. Thanks, I. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:42:02 +0000 (GMT) From: [...] one-of-our-users Subject: Pine locking When I dial-in to my workstaion & look at mail with Pine it is very good at grabbing the file locking, but when I get back to the console I have to quit Pine, then run it again to leave the read-only mode. Is there a way of getting the file lock back in Pine? R. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 11:27:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA29385; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:27:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07199; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:09:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07193; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:09:18 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA21045; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:09:07 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA08565; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:09:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 11:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine locking (fwd) To: Ian Dunkin Cc: The Pine list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sorry, but it is extremely unlikely that this would ever be implemented, due to internal technical considerations. ``Having the lock'' means ``I know exactly what the mailbox file looks like on disk, including where all the messages are located, and the only thing anyone else can do to this mailbox is append to it.'' Conversely, ``not having the lock'' means ``I took a snapshot of the mailbox file some time in the past, but I have no idea what it might look like now, so I had better not try to do anything with that file again.'' The upshot of all of this is that ``grabbing back the lock'' is a meaningless concept. The process which lost the lock no longer knows what is on the disk; rather, it just has a snapshot. Consequently, the only way to get the lock again is to close the mailbox (discarding the snapshot) and re-opening it again. You can do that with the appropriate commands in Pine, or by exiting Pine and running it again. We may, in a future version, create an automatic way to do this that would simulate the behavior you've requested (``grabbing back the lock'') but in reality it would be doing a close/re-open operation. The issue becomes whether or or not it is worth adding yet another command to Pine to do an operation that users can already do themselves.... ;-) On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Ian Dunkin wrote: > Had the following query from a user here. I'm sure I've seen discussion > of this on the list, but it doesn't seem to have been implemented. Would > it be a good thing to add? In summary: > > User runs Pine, leaves the session going > > User goes away and logs in from somwhere else; Pine correctly takes > the lock from the first session > > User comes back to the first session. Would like a way to grab > _back_ the lock. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 11:51:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA00276; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:51:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16623; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:28:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gate.ggr.co.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16617; Fri, 28 Jan 94 11:28:21 -0800 Received: from mailhub.ggr.co.uk by gate.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:19:36 GMT Received: from uk0x04.ggr.co.uk by mailhub.ggr.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:17:39 GMT Received: from localhost by uk0x04.ggr.co.uk (8.6.4/imd110593) id TAA03640; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:19:45 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:19:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Dunkin Reply-To: Ian Dunkin Subject: Re: Pine locking (fwd) To: Mark Crispin Cc: The Pine list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > Consequently, the only way to get the lock again is to close the mailbox > (discarding the snapshot) and re-opening it again. You can do that with > the appropriate commands in Pine, or by exiting Pine and running it again. Thanks for the reply.. Err.. I can see this should be obvious, but: What _are_ the `appropriate commands' in Pine, to do this?? Leaving and Going back to the INBOX again still seems to keep the cached snapshot... I. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 13:24:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02667; Fri, 28 Jan 94 13:24:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17986; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:58:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA17980; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:58:47 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04729; Fri, 28 Jan 94 12:58:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine locking (fwd) To: Ian Dunkin Cc: Mark Crispin , The Pine list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The INBOX is the one folder that there is no way to recover without exiting and re-entering pine. This is a side effect of never closing the INBOX in routine operation. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Ian Dunkin wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > Consequently, the only way to get the lock again is to close the mailbox > > (discarding the snapshot) and re-opening it again. You can do that with > > the appropriate commands in Pine, or by exiting Pine and running it again. > > Thanks for the reply.. Err.. I can see this should be obvious, but: What > _are_ the `appropriate commands' in Pine, to do this?? Leaving and Going > back to the INBOX again still seems to keep the cached snapshot... > > I. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 14:55:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05139; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:55:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19374; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:16:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19368; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:16:36 -0800 Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA04832; Fri, 28 Jan 94 13:31:21 PST Received: from chip.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id NAA20652; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 13:32:25 -0800 Received: from localhost by chip.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.05) id NAA23060; Fri, 28 Jan 1994 13:36:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 13:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel D. Todd" Subject: ideas for pine To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well I've been using 3.89 for a month or so now. I think Ihave a couple of nice features that shouldn't be to hard to implement in the next version. 1) Have "Take address" take the To: address instead of the from address if you are in the sent-mail folder. This is useful if you initiate contact and never receive a reply. Or if you didn't initially plan on including the person in your address book but change your mind. 2) On start-up pine should check the contents of all of your "incoming mail boxes" so the display might look like this INBOX Pine-info GIS-list MOTO 5 msg. 16 msg. 200 msg. 2 msg. or perhaps INBOX [5] Pine-info [16] GIS-list [200] MOTO [2] BTW: why does filter leave the original meg. in INBOX when I have it parsed into a different folder? Thanks, Dan *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * * Davis CA 95616 * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * I do not speak for the University of California.... * * and it sure as hell doesn't speak for me!! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 14:59:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05209; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:59:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19624; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:31:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from coho.halcyon.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19618; Fri, 28 Jan 94 14:31:42 -0800 Received: by halcyon.com id AA05744 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:31:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 14:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert J. Taylor" Subject: Installation of pine on DG-UX system To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1210235393-759796298:#5164" --0-1210235393-759796298:#5164 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are attempting to install pine on a Data General Aviion 5500. Version 3.89 was obtained via ftp on Thursday, January 27. Ralph Sims at Halcyon suggested sending a message to ask for assistance. The messages from the make process are attached. We are running version 5.4.2 of DG-UX. The 'cc' compiler runs gcc with the -traditional flag set according to the man pages. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If we are the first to use pine on a DG box we would be glad to share the recipe with world when we get it working. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert J. Taylor E-mail: rtaylor@halcyon.com Delta Holding, Inc. 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Todd" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dan, We are planning to extent the "Take address" command to look at more than just the From: header. Our current internal developmental version of Pine has an experimental command to cycle through your incoming folders and count messages, but the performance of it is too bad to make it automatic yet... Thanks for the suggestions! --DLM P.S. The "filter" program from ELM has options to either leave a copy in your inbox or not. See the filter docs for more info. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Daniel D. Todd wrote: > Well I've been using 3.89 for a month or so now. I think Ihave a couple > of nice features that shouldn't be to hard to implement in the next version. > > 1) Have "Take address" take the To: address instead of the from address > if you are in the sent-mail folder. This is useful if you initiate > contact and never receive a reply. Or if you didn't initially plan on > including the person in your address book but change your mind. > > 2) On start-up pine should check the contents of all of your "incoming > mail boxes" so the display might look like this > > INBOX Pine-info GIS-list MOTO > 5 msg. 16 msg. 200 msg. 2 msg. > > or perhaps > > INBOX [5] Pine-info [16] GIS-list [200] MOTO [2] > > > BTW: why does filter leave the original meg. in INBOX when I have it > parsed into a different folder? > > Thanks, > Dan > *---------------------------------------------------------------------* > * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * > * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * > * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * > * Davis CA 95616 * > *---------------------------------------------------------------------* > * I do not speak for the University of California.... * > * and it sure as hell doesn't speak for me!! * > *---------------------------------------------------------------------* > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 15:49:03 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA06575; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:49:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20500; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:26:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20491; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:26:36 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05532; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:22:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Installation of pine on DG-UX system To: "Robert J. Taylor" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-114312706-759799348:#24507" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-114312706-759799348:#24507 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We have a contributed DG/UX port of Pine 3.86 that we have not rolled into the distribution yet. If you would like to take a look at it I can send a copy separately. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Robert J. Taylor wrote: > We are attempting to install pine on a Data General Aviion 5500. Version > 3.89 was obtained via ftp on Thursday, January 27. Ralph Sims at Halcyon > suggested sending a message to ask for assistance. The messages from the > make process are attached. > > We are running version 5.4.2 of DG-UX. The 'cc' compiler runs gcc with > the -traditional flag set according to the man pages. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If we are the first to use > pine on a DG box we would be glad to share the recipe with world when we > get it working. > > Thanks! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Robert J. Taylor E-mail: rtaylor@halcyon.com > Delta Holding, Inc. Voice: (206)391-2000 > Issaquah, Washington 98027 Fax: (206)392-9239 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --0-114312706-759799348:#24507-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 16:09:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07237; Fri, 28 Jan 94 16:09:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09754; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:49:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gothic.acs.csulb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09748; Fri, 28 Jan 94 15:49:54 -0800 Received: by gothic.acs.csulb.edu id AA28511 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Mailing List ); Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:46:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:46:57 -0800 (GMT-0800) From: VampLestat Subject: Re: Clearing the INBOX To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > 2) Modify the Pine source code to call the mboxdriver routines *before* > the bezerkdriver routines when it is initialising the list of mail > drivers (I think it's in the main pine.c file from memory). [Basically > it's a case of add one line in two places.] > > The mbox driver causes mail in the INBOX to be (silently) moved to a file > called "mbox" in the user's home directory. This is then opened and > treated as the INBOX. > > The upshot is that sendmail (or whatever) delivers mail to your system > mail area (so you don't run into user quota problems). However as soon > as the user starts Pine these messages get moved into their home > directory (and so get charged against their personal disk quota). If > there isn't enough disk quota an error message is displayed, and the new > messages don't get shown (and so can't be read). > > One gotcha is that the code as supplied in the mbox.c file requires the > presence of a (possibly empty, if not must be validly formatted) file called > "mbox" in the home directory for the mail moving to occur. No doubt this > can be easily changed along the lines of "If the file isn't there don't > fail, just create one". > > The advantage of this approach is that unseen and read messages are still > rationalised into one folder (still called INBOX within Pine, but > actually $HOME/mbox) rather than forcing the split into totally separate > folders. It also means that users can't get round it by overrinding the > systemwide variable setting in their .pinerc file! > > We're looking at trying this out on a few of our own Staff, but need to > be sure it'll work before doing it to users. ... It's a bit of a one-way > street to go down! We've done this, and so far things look fine. Its also helped out alot by reducing all the mail that normally gets left in the spool, which overflowed a while bnack, causing some chaos. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services Cal State Long Beach - Network Support | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Jan 28 18:15:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA09501; Fri, 28 Jan 94 18:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10794; Fri, 28 Jan 94 18:00:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eris.cs.umb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA10788; Fri, 28 Jan 94 18:00:32 -0800 Received: by eris.cs.umb.edu id AA23218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@washington.edu); Fri, 28 Jan 1994 21:00:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Dennis H. H. Wu" Subject: Removing To: pine-info@washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Dear Sir, Would you remove me from the pine-info list. Thank you very much. e-mail: hhwu@cs.umb.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 29 15:15:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA02332; Sat, 29 Jan 94 15:15:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21228; Sat, 29 Jan 94 15:02:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21222; Sat, 29 Jan 94 15:02:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by css.itd.umich.edu (8.6.4/2.2) id SAA20871; Sat, 29 Jan 1994 18:02:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 18:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Tang Subject: NFS/Locking? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. this has probably been discussed before, but I was wondering how user-contention locking works when the user's spool directory is NFS-mounted. Particularly, I have my spool directory NFS mounted to a bunch of different machines. Normally, If I open two pine sessions from the same machine, the first session gets the lock taken away, and the INBOX becomres Read Only. I just noticed that if I start pine from machine a, and while it is open, start a pine session from machine b (that has the same spool dir), they both have Read/Write access to the inbox. Am I doing something wrong? Thanx. ...alex... Alex Tang --- ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU...USERW00Y@UMICHUM.BITNET -----------+ U of M, SNRE: Student and Computer Consultant II, PGP on req.| ITD/CSS Consultant, Short asian with long hair :) WWW -> http://www.css.itd.umich.edu/users/altitude/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Jan 29 16:13:51 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04244; Sat, 29 Jan 94 16:13:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21977; Sat, 29 Jan 94 16:02:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA21971; Sat, 29 Jan 94 16:02:05 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67d/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA22011; Sat, 29 Jan 94 16:01:58 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67c/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA14019; Sat, 29 Jan 94 16:01:53 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 16:01:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: NFS/Locking? To: Alex Tang Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Jan 1994, Alex Tang wrote: > Hi. this has probably been discussed before, but I was wondering how > user-contention locking works when the user's spool directory is > NFS-mounted. Particularly, I have my spool directory NFS mounted to a > bunch of different machines. Normally, If I open two pine sessions from > the same machine, the first session gets the lock taken away, and the > INBOX becomres Read Only. I just noticed that if I start pine from > machine a, and while it is open, start a pine session from machine b (that > has the same spool dir), they both have Read/Write access to the inbox. > Am I doing something wrong? Yes, you are doing something wrong, regrettably. You are using NFS for remote mail access instead of IMAP. We understand that NFS access of mail is popular at many sites, and we go to great lengths to try to make it work. However, there are technical limitations which severely restrict our ability to do so. We believe that Pine works as well over NFS as other UNIX mail tools; unfortunately, we are (at least for the time being) unable to make NFS access via Pine work at the same high standard we have for local access. Pine's locking against multiple simultaneous read/write sessions only works with local files. It does not work over NFS. At best, Pine is reduced to the same level of interlocking as ordinary UNIX mail utilities have; however, note that in certain circumstances that translates into *no* locking at all. Pine does try pretty hard to detect the situation in which locking has failed and another mailer has stepped on Pine. Unless Pine is absolutely sure what it is doing is safe, it will decline to write to the mail file. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Jan 30 11:32:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16521; Sun, 30 Jan 94 11:32:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28916; Sun, 30 Jan 94 11:10:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28910; Sun, 30 Jan 94 11:10:55 -0800 Received: from apus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.2] (TAP id = root) by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #115) id m0pQhXp-000BzMC; Sun, 30 Jan 94 19:10 GMT Received: by apus.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.28.1 #110) id m0pQhXp-0004Y7C; Sun, 30 Jan 94 19:10 GMT Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 19:10:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: ideas for pine To: "Daniel D. Todd" Cc: pine-info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 1994, Daniel D. Todd wrote: > Well I've been using 3.89 for a month or so now. I think Ihave a couple > of nice features that shouldn't be to hard to implement in the next version. > > 1) Have "Take address" take the To: address instead of the from address > if you are in the sent-mail folder. This is useful if you initiate > contact and never receive a reply. Or if you didn't initially plan on > including the person in your address book but change your mind. > Careful now! Any folder (except INBOX) can contain messages received and messages sent; equally there is no such thing as "the sent-mail folder"; PINE is configurable, and these things can be called what the user chooses. The right feature, which I would certainly like, is that the Take function takes the sender from received mail and the addressee from sent mail. A slightly more bells and whistles version would give a choice, but I would be happy with that simple upgrade. > 2) On start-up pine should check the contents of all of your "incoming > mail boxes" so the display might look like this > > INBOX Pine-info GIS-list MOTO > 5 msg. 16 msg. 200 msg. 2 msg. > > or perhaps > > INBOX [5] Pine-info [16] GIS-list [200] MOTO [2] > Nice, but low priority in my book. > > BTW: why does filter leave the original meg. in INBOX when I have it > parsed into a different folder? > It does not for me (using the elm filter); have you used the right primitive? ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0223-334713 +44-223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 05:53:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25907; Mon, 31 Jan 94 05:53:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05322; Mon, 31 Jan 94 05:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05316; Mon, 31 Jan 94 05:28:29 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <29294-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 13:28:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 13:30:47 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: PC Pico enhancement To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I keep finding myself using Control with the left- and right-arrow keys to try to get around: this is pretty standard key-binding in PC editors - could it be implemented in PICO? John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Reading University 0734 318435 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 06:59:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26434; Mon, 31 Jan 94 06:59:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05708; Mon, 31 Jan 94 06:32:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA05702; Mon, 31 Jan 94 06:32:07 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <05394-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 14:31:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 14:31:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Roch Subject: PC-Pine and PC-NFS To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 497 Would anyone who's got this combination working successfully be kind enough to let us have copies of their config.sys/autoexec.bat (etc). We're having problems getting this to work. Thanks Mike ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 ------------------------------ End of forwarded message 1 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 07:10:07 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA26619; Mon, 31 Jan 94 07:10:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15836; Mon, 31 Jan 94 06:41:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from iris.phar.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA15830; Mon, 31 Jan 94 06:41:48 -0800 Received: from sun4.phar.umich.edu by phar.umich.edu (931110.SGI.ANONFTP/2.2) id AA15336; Mon, 31 Jan 94 09:41:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 09:41:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Saving sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been using Pine for a while now after using Elm for many years. One feature of Elm that I miss is being able to have sent mail saved by username. I haven't seen anything in the Pine docs that mentioned being able to do this (though it's certainly possible that I missed it). Can this be done currently? If not, is a possible additional feature for some future version? ============================================================================= | Jeff Traigle | Systems Administrator | University of Michigan | ============================================================================= | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | ============================================================================= | Masters of Science in Computer Science and Engineering | ============================================================================= | Masters of Information and Library Studies | ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 08:46:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA28974; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:46:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16795; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:26:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16789; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:26:08 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA23359; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:25:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving sent mail To: Jeff Traigle Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeff, No, we do not currently have an FCC-folder-name-rule, but it is on the list for a future release. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, Jeff Traigle wrote: > > I've been using Pine for a while now after using Elm for many years. One > feature of Elm that I miss is being able to have sent mail saved by > username. I haven't seen anything in the Pine docs that mentioned being > able to do this (though it's certainly possible that I missed it). Can > this be done currently? If not, is a possible additional feature for some > future version? > > ============================================================================= > | Jeff Traigle | Systems Administrator | University of Michigan | > ============================================================================= > | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | > ============================================================================= > | Masters of Science in Computer Science and Engineering | > ============================================================================= > | Masters of Information and Library Studies | > ============================================================================= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 11:18:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA04504; Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:18:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19015; Mon, 31 Jan 94 10:46:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19004; Mon, 31 Jan 94 10:46:33 -0800 Received: by unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06431; Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:43:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:13:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Reply-To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: Printing from an user program... To: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi all, I am configuring my environment from Printer Setup, in the option <3> called "Personally selected print command" I put my printer program called "hello" (for example).. "hello" can work as : %hello if $1 exist then # $1 == file name print or %hello File Name : #read variable... if file exist then print PINE not put the message into an file.... then what can I do for print my messages from "hello" program...??? I can do it?? I am working on PINE 3.87... Thank's in advance... /#### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /######## System Administrator /## /########## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing, National University of Mexico ### ######### ### ================================================== ### ##/ ### University City, Mexico D.F. ##########/ ##/ E-mail : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ########/ #/ Phone : (5)6 22 85 22 << MIME is Welcome!!! >> ####/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 12:52:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA07451; Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:52:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11057; Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:28:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nic.cic.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA11047; Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:28:07 -0800 Received: by nic.cic.net (4.1/2.25) id AA05760; Mon, 31 Jan 94 15:27:58 EST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Holbrook Subject: Re: Clearing the INBOX To: VampLestat Cc: Mike Brudenell , Pine Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI, we've been running using the MBOX driver (moves the mail from /var/spool/mail to a file named mbox in the user's home directory) for about 1.5 years (back to Summer 92) on about 100-300 accounts. We've had no problems over the time. To address the problem that there needs to be an MBOX file in the home directory, we create one when we create the user's account. J. Paul Holbrook CICNet Network Services Manager holbrook@cic.net (313) 998-7680 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 17:30:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16933; Mon, 31 Jan 94 17:30:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16945; Mon, 31 Jan 94 17:15:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA16939; Mon, 31 Jan 94 17:15:05 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19412; Mon, 31 Jan 94 17:14:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 17:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Printing from an user program... To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Cc: The PINE List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Isaias, Try "| cat > /tmp/prtfile ; hello /tmp/prtfile ; rm /tmp/prtfile". It's a bit long, but it should work. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > Hi all, > I am configuring my environment from Printer Setup, in the option > <3> called "Personally selected print command" I put my printer program > called "hello" (for example).. > "hello" can work as : > > %hello > if $1 exist then # $1 == file name > print > > or > > %hello > File Name : #read variable... > if file exist then > print > > PINE not put the message into an file.... then what can I do for > print my messages from "hello" program...??? I can do it?? > I am working on PINE 3.87... > > Thank's in advance... > > /#### E. Isaias Callejas M. > /# /######## System Administrator > /## /########## Coordination of Computing Services > ### /## ### Academic Computing, National University of Mexico > ### ######### ### ================================================== > ### ##/ ### University City, Mexico D.F. > ##########/ ##/ E-mail : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx > ########/ #/ Phone : (5)6 22 85 22 << MIME is Welcome!!! >> > ####/ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 18:58:17 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18168; Mon, 31 Jan 94 18:58:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24862; Mon, 31 Jan 94 18:37:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA24856; Mon, 31 Jan 94 18:37:02 -0800 Received: from tplrd.tpl.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA01941 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 1 Feb 1994 13:36:56 +1100 Received: by tpl68k0 (5.51/2.49); id AA03344; Tue, 1 Feb 94 11:56:38 EST Received: by sydte3 (4.1/2.14); id AA00571; Tue, 1 Feb 94 11:56:45 EST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:56:44 +1100 (EST) From: Charlie Brady Subject: Re: Saving sent mail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Jeff, > > No, we do not currently have an FCC-folder-name-rule, but it is on the > list for a future release. > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, Jeff Traigle wrote: > > > > I've been using Pine for a while now after using Elm for many years. One > > feature of Elm that I miss is being able to have sent mail saved by > > username. I like to do this, too, and do it by periodically redistributing sent-mail using an alternative .pinerc with a different saved-msg-name-rule. It's a bit tedious, and means that mail to/from a user ends up in a jumbled order in a folder. I thought having a sort order by Date rather than Arrival would deal with that conveniently. Since I don't archive all outgoing mail, it's probably better to be able to re-distribute it from sent-mail than to re-distribute it as it goes out, but it would be handy if I could change the saved-msg-name-rule at run time, or have a rule to save by-correspondent, i.e. by-sender on received mail and by-from on sent mail. Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au "Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__ but no simpler" Einstein, A | Fax: (02) 413 6868 Pacing Systems \/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 19:53:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA18986; Mon, 31 Jan 94 19:53:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25373; Mon, 31 Jan 94 19:34:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA25367; Mon, 31 Jan 94 19:34:36 -0800 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA19169; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 22:38:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 22:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell Subject: Re: Pine 3.87 .pine-debug problem To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Our HP 9000 Series 827 running hpux 9.0 had its /users file system recently fill up because of the creation of a single huge .pine-debug file. The file was lost in the recovery process, but upon running a search for other such files I noticed another 10 MB .pine-debug. (Nb. we haven't set quota's on student directories.) I have just the tail from this last file...should it be of interest. I've not had any other problems but wondered whether this is a known problem. If this is the wrong place to post such messages please let me know... Dan ==== ..... first part of the file is missing...... the last 200 bytes ... ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call ** Received SIGUSR2 ** ** INBOX went read-only ** ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call ** Error reading from tty : I/O error about to end_tty_driver -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Always promise a little less than you can deliver" : Montaigne From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Jan 31 21:33:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20122; Mon, 31 Jan 94 21:33:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19423; Mon, 31 Jan 94 21:19:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA19417; Mon, 31 Jan 94 21:19:11 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.29 ) id AA20077; Mon, 31 Jan 94 21:19:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 21:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.87 .pine-debug problem To: Dan Mandell Cc: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dan, That bug is fixed in Pine 3.89. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 31 Jan 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > > Our HP 9000 Series 827 running hpux 9.0 had its /users file system > recently fill up because of the creation of a single huge .pine-debug > file. The file was lost in the recovery process, but upon running a > search for other such files I noticed another 10 MB .pine-debug. (Nb. we > haven't set quota's on student directories.) I have just the tail from > this last file...should it be of interest. I've not had any other > problems but wondered whether this is a known problem. > > If this is the wrong place to post such messages please let me know... > > Dan > ==== > ..... first part of the file is missing...... the last 200 bytes ... > > ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call > > ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call > > ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call > > ** Received SIGUSR2 ** > > ** INBOX went read-only ** > > ** Error reading from tty : Interrupted system call > > ** Error reading from tty : I/O error > > about to end_tty_driver > > -- > ===================================== > Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College > Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu > > "Always promise a little less than you can deliver" : Montaigne > > > > > >