From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 09:13:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21167; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:13:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27732; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:06:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from 129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27724; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:06:48 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:04:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 00:04:24 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Minor nit pick... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good Evening, I'm at the other end of a 64KB link to my NNTP server. When I go to read a newsgroup I get the notification saying some thing like "comp.unix.solaris open with 44 messages" then a few seconds later I get the message "sorting comp.unix.solaris - 48% complete". Well, that last message stays on the screen until I issue a key stroke. We sometimes have problems with our leased line...so when this first happened I thought it was just the line acting up and waited for it to clear up....three hours later (sic) I hit the down arrow....... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 10:02:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23427; Thu, 1 Sep 94 10:02:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28893; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:55:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28881; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:55:19 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24251; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:55:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13366; Thu, 1 Sep 94 04:59:23 -0700 Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23578; Thu, 1 Sep 94 04:59:20 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <06164-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:40:14 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu id AA25122; Thu, 1 Sep 94 08:50:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:50:26 +0000 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Eric Guilyardi Cc: pine-info-approval@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: install on SGI 5.2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Whilst trying to trace a display problem yesterday I successfully compiled Pine 3.90 "out of the box" on IRIX 4.0.5, IRIX 5.1.1.2 and IRIX 5.2. What problem are you seeing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Eric Guilyardi wrote: > > Hi, > > I wonder if pine was ever installed on the new SGI Indy 5.2 system ? > > I have problem compiling ... > > Thanks > > Eric > > Eric Guilyardi | (ericg@cerfacs.fr) > CERFACS - Global Change Team | (+33) 61.19.30.76 > 31057 Toulouse Cedex - FRANCE | > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 13:02:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01868; Thu, 1 Sep 94 13:02:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03013; Thu, 1 Sep 94 12:52:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03001; Thu, 1 Sep 94 12:52:11 -0700 Received: from news.issaquah.wednet.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29721; Thu, 1 Sep 94 12:52:10 -0700 Received: by ISS-CSS. admin.issaquah.wednet.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07325; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:53:10 +0800 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 22:15:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurence Yeung Subject: pine.conf? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: Lonnie Yeung Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Content-Length: 218 Ok, call me stupid, but I grabbed a pre-compiled Unix pine binary from ftp.cac.washington.edu and now I want to setup a pine.conf, so how do I get a copy of one to configure and put into my /usr/local/lib? --Lonnie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 14:08:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04788; Thu, 1 Sep 94 14:08:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04663; Thu, 1 Sep 94 14:02:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04657; Thu, 1 Sep 94 14:02:41 -0700 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA11241; Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:58:51 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:58:51 -0400 From: James Dryfoos To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tab file expansion does not appear to work? Message-Id: <9409011658.AA10399@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Am using Pine 3.90 under SunOS 4.1.3 and cannot get the tab filename completion to work while entering filenames in the attach header field or in the ^r read file prompt. I can do it from my shell. I have enabled this in the config and restart Pine :-) FEATURE: enable-tab-completion This feature enables the TAB key when at a prompt for a filename. In this case, TAB will cause the partial name already entered to be automatically completed, provided the partial name is unambiguous. -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: B-120 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 15:16:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08207; Thu, 1 Sep 94 15:16:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04312; Thu, 1 Sep 94 15:10:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from post2.INRE.ASU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04304; Thu, 1 Sep 94 15:10:25 -0700 Received: from general2.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #2382) id <01HGLP3MSE0W8X3JYK@asu.edu>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:13:20 MST Received: from general2 (localhost) by general2.asu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18295; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:10:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 15:10:14 -0700 (MST) From: Shahjehan Khatri Subject: Re: No body suspension In-Reply-To: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 1087 On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Do you have "enable-suspend" turned on or off in your .pinerc/pine.conf file? We have "enable-suspend" in pine.conf. I also tried adding this to my .pinerc, but no joy. Interestingly enough, ^Z works in the our (Kerberized) AIX version of Pine.... Thanks for replying! -- > On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Shahjehan Khatri wrote: > > > I can suspend Pine 3.89 (Solaris version) while composing a message if I > > press ^Z in the header section. However, I get "Unknown Command: ^Z" > > if I do so in the "Message Text" area. > > > > Any hints? > > > > Incidentally, a hearty thanks to The Pine Team for Pine 3.89! It may not > > be as good as Pine 3.90, but hey!... = ) We've put tons of people here > > on it. Thanks again and again.... > > > > -- > > > > "Treat every man according to his desert, and who shall scape a > > whipping? Treat them after your own honor and dignity. The less they > > deserve, the more merit is in your bounty." > > > > -- From _Hamlet_ > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 16:16:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10637; Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:16:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05629; Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:10:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05623; Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:10:54 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07797; Thu, 1 Sep 94 16:10:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: Steve Patlan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Sendmail failure not noticed by Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: <33u2hr$7bt@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We'll add a check to make sure that the configured sendmail exists and is executable. We don't want to wait for the completion status of sendmail since that can take a long time and many sendmails don't return a useful exit status anyway. You should, however, get a bounce message mailed back to you (once we are sure we're talking to a sendmail). Thanks for the suggestions! Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 29 Aug 1994, Steve Patlan wrote: > I just tested a newly-compiled version of Pine 3.90 on my (BSDI BSD/386) > system. My "sendmail" is in /usr/sbin, but Pine is hardcoded to look in > /usr/lib. A quick edit and rebuild will cure that problem, but I noticed > that Pine did not pick up on the failure to send mail. The error message > "/usr/lib/sendmail not found" would blap across the main menu, followed by > the Pine message "Mail Sent". The debug file also indicated successful > transmission when in fact nothing of the sort had occurred. > > > So, should Pine notice that this didn't work? Isn't there a DOS-like > completion code it can check? (But I guess a program that didn't run > can't very well set that code, now can it?) > > Steve Patlan > -- > texmex@starbase.neosoft.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 17:29:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14325; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:29:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07259; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:24:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from 129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07249; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:24:25 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:21:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:21:54 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Laurence Yeung Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine.conf? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Laurence Yeung wrote: > Ok, call me stupid, but I grabbed a pre-compiled Unix pine binary from > ftp.cac.washington.edu and now I want to setup a pine.conf, so how do I > get a copy of one to configure and put into my /usr/local/lib? > --Lonnie > Type pine -h and get this question...and maybe others...answered. The magic incantation "pine -conf" Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 17:54:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15115; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:54:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09601; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:45:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09589; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:45:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgMQb-00000QC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wwar@lostlink.alt.za (Warwick Ward-Cox) Subject: Re: Disable the debug feature? Message-Id: <1994Sep1.161544.18977@lostlink.alt.za> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:15:44 GMT References: <1994Aug31.075634.12801@lostlink.alt.za> Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: : On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Warwick Ward-Cox wrote: : > I have installed pine 3.90 onto my system now and I want to stop it from : > creating these debug files .pine-debug?, is there a switch to turn it off : > or how do I go about it? : Well, yes there is...and had you spent a little time reading the : help screens you may have found it.... :-) Oops sorry.... dont bite my head off its small enough all ready... : Try typing "pine -h" and notice all the switches that are : available. Guess what "pine -d 0" does.... What I have done in the end is make an alias that runs pine -d 0 when I type in pine... Thanks, Warwick -- --- --------------------------------------------------------------- | Warwick Ward-Cox Email : wwar@lostlink.alt.za | | Sysop of Lost Link Fidonet : 5:7102/134 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 17:55:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15162; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:55:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07656; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:45:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07650; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:45:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgMQO-00000PC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 17:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wwar@lostlink.alt.za (Warwick Ward-Cox) Subject: Re: Newsgroups - How to post articles to local server? Message-Id: <1994Sep1.161358.18903@lostlink.alt.za> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:13:58 GMT References: <1994Aug31.071251.12583@lostlink.alt.za> Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: : On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Warwick Ward-Cox wrote: : > I am running pine 3.90, but can't seem to post messages to my newsgroups, : > it keeps coming up saying "no server defined for newsgroups" even if I : > put in my domain name in the nntp-server option it doesn't work. : You need to put the name of a "host" that is acting as an : NNTP server. Not your domain name. Problem is I have a UUCP link with my host, so Pine returns and says cant make link with NNTP server or something like that.. What I need it to do is update my /var/spool/news directly as though the server was local? Thanks, Warwick -- --- --------------------------------------------------------------- | Warwick Ward-Cox Email : wwar@lostlink.alt.za | | Sysop of Lost Link Fidonet : 5:7102/134 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 18:54:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16482; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:54:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08480; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:46:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from 129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08474; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:46:30 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:44:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:44:02 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Warwick Ward-Cox Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Disable the debug feature? In-Reply-To: <1994Sep1.161544.18977@lostlink.alt.za> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Warwick Ward-Cox wrote: > What I have done in the end is make an alias that runs pine -d 0 when I > type in pine... The other alternative, that I forgot to mention, is to recompile with the -DDEBUG flag turned off. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 19:03:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16693; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:03:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08594; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:56:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08588; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:56:06 -0700 Received: from news.issaquah.wednet.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07080; Thu, 1 Sep 94 18:56:05 -0700 Received: by ISS-CSS. admin.issaquah.wednet.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07558; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:57:04 +0800 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lonnie Yeung X-Sender: yeungl@ISS-CSS To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine.conf= solved Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 306 In case anybody else wanted to know how to redirect the output from 'pine -conf' into a file, i figured it out. 'pine -conf' only shows you a file, but the command 'cat | pine -conf >pine.conf' seemed to work for me. I am sure i went the long way around the problem, but hey, it works. --The idiot From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 19:31:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17264; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:31:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11007; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:26:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11001; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:26:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgO1S-00000QC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Eric Ross Subject: "New mailbox modification time..." in Pine3.90 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Using Pine3.90 on a DG/UX system we get occasional "New mailbox modification time but apparently no changes" messages. We did not see this message using Pine3.87. Can anyone suggest possible reasons for this message? Eric Ross, Colorado College eross@cc.colorado.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 19:31:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17295; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:31:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09026; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:26:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09020; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:26:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgO4p-00000YC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tcarter@access.digex.net (Todd W. Carter) Subject: Sorting by mail addressed to me Date: 1 Sep 1994 07:29:21 -0400 Message-Id: <344duh$rih@access2.digex.net> Is it possible to sort my mail so that all the mail to me, designated by "+," is grouped together, at the top of the list? Thanks, Todd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 21:09:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19336; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:09:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12458; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:03:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12452; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:03:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgPXX-000008C; Thu, 1 Sep 94 20:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: /u/mrc/.mail/postponed-msgs Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 19:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Sep 1994 smckown@ctea.com wrote: > The problem is that many types of operations between PC-Pine and imapd will > take 75-80 seconds. Some of these operations include: loggin in, opening a > folder, etc. It doesn't always happen. My guess is that the problem is due to the logging that was added in imapd. If the DNS is unhappy, this logging could slow things down. Try rebuilding imapd, but with the syslog calls removed. Actually, it may suffice just to disable the tcp_clienthost() function in tcp_unix.c by removing its code and putting in a return "???"; statement. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 21:09:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19374; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:09:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10469; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:07:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10463; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:07:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgPdL-00000PC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 20:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Suggestion for PINE (fwd) Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:32:55 GMT If the folder doesn't have too many pieces of mail, the user could alway ^R and then ~/mail/foldername. Of course it will end up with many other things not wanted, but using ^^ and then ^W [from:] will be ease to eraese all unwanted mail... convoluted, but it works... (I use this a couple of times...) Shalom ve Tzedek Pucho From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 21:22:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19636; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:22:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12685; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:18:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12679; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:18:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgPkE-00000VC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 20:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Christopher G. Oxenreider) Subject: Spell prgram in pine. Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:24:55 GMT I might be wrong on this, but isn't there a way to get pine to use a speller program other than the UNIX spell program? I would like to use ispell-3.1.08. What am i missing in the configuration? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 21:36:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19874; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:36:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10805; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:33:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10799; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:33:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgQ1L-000008C; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Persuading Pine 3.90 to read environment variables Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You should be able to use the $REPLYTO variable in .pinerc or pine.conf for Unix Pine and PINERC for PC-Pine, e.g. customized-hdrs=Reply-To: $REPLYTO |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, A.Sharaz wrote: > hi all, > > i've just been trying out the latest Version of Pine and although, as you > can see, I've managed to set up a reply-to field for myself, I don't > really want to do it for everyone that uses mail. > > At hull university, all outgoing mail passes through a mail hub that > translates > > userid@host.dept.hull.ac.uk > > into > > Initial1.initial2.surname@dept.hull.ac.uk > > as far as the outside world is concerned, they see the "departmental" > e-mail addresses instead of the actual host specific ones. > > When dealing with USENET as we primarily use UNIX boxes to provide the > clients, we've modified various scripts to use the contents of the > REPLYTO environment variable when posting news. The REPLYTO variable is > set by a prog that obtains a persons e-mail address from our X.500 database. > > Ideally I'd like to be able to do the same thing for PINE. > > If a person is posting to a news group I need to have the reply-to field > set up with a persons "departmental" address rather than the "host > specific" one. > > Anyone know if there's a possible way of doing this without delving into > the source code? > > > Ideally I'd like to do it for the PC-DOS version as well. > > alex > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk > X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB > X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz > Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 22:06:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20389; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:06:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13257; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:03:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13251; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:03:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgQSL-000008C; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sliz@gene4d.med.utoronto.ca (Bryan Eger) Subject: field in mailing to the List Message-Id: <1994Sep2.032755.15649@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 03:27:55 GMT I would like to send a mail to a group of people. This can be easily done by creating a list of recipients in the address book. The only problem is, that when the mail is sent, every recipient receives the letter with the list of all other recipients in the field of the message. When the list is getting larger, this is really annoying. I am using Pine 3.9 on SGI. Is there any way to avoid this problem? Thanks for any suggestions, Peter Sliz -- __.--/) .-~~ ~~>>>>>>>> .-. University of Toronto (._\~ \ ( ~~>>>>>>>>.~.-' Department of Biochemistry -~} \_~-, )~~>>>>>>>' / E-mail: sliz@gene4d.med.utoronto.ca { ~/ /~~~~~~. _.-~ ~.( `--~~/ /~ ~. .--~~~~_\ \--~( -.-~~-. \ ```-'~~ / / ~-. \ .--~ / (((_.' (((__.' ```-' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 22:10:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20498; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:10:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11187; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:07:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11181; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:07:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgQa2-00000jC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 21:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mullen@gate.net (Allen Mullen) Subject: Re: =20 at end of lines Date: 2 Sep 1994 03:13:20 GMT Message-Id: <34658g$sms@tequesta.gate.net> References: David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Something in your message is triggering Quoted-Printable encoding. What : version of Pine are you running? 3.87 Both the uploaded file incorporated into the message and the stuff I type have the =20 at the end of every line except paragraph breaks. I don't see it myself, only the people receiving my Email see it. Everything looks fine to me when I send the Email. Allen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 22:37:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21069; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:37:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11525; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:33:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11516; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:33:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgQxG-00000PC; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: =20 at end of lines Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Something in your message is triggering Quoted-Printable encoding. What version of Pine are you running? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 Aug 1994, Allen Mullen wrote: > I send Email to a mail list. Usually I compose a text file on my PC > and save it as text only with line breaks. I upload it and then > incorporate it into an Email with the ^R command. I learned that I have > to clean the file with the /u1/mirage/bin/dos2unix command to > get rid of ^M at the end of lines. I do this now and the Email looks fine > as I send it but the people who receive it have =20 at the end of every > line except the line that ends a paragraph. This makes a real mess of my > Emails. I sometimes break up my Emails with a string of ==== and these > get messed up too. How can I fix this problem? > Thanks, > Allen > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 1 22:37:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21092; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:37:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13697; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:33:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13691; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:33:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgQwf-000008C; Thu, 1 Sep 94 22:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: How to alter header with ! pine 3.07 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <343cqt$47mf@lamar.ColoState.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <343cqt$47mf@lamar.ColoState.EDU> Actually, configurable headers were added in Pine 3.90... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 Aug 1994, Vince Cawley wrote: > I want to add lines to my header. And I have to admit I'm not a genius here. > We apparently have pine 3.07 [wha wha wha wha (sound effect suggesting losing > on a game show.)] Is there an easier way than suspending composition then > editing the temporarily saved file? > > It seems if we had 3.89 there would be a screen where I could do that. > I'm so sad. > > Vincent Cawley > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:07:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24353; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:07:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13380; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:57:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13374; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:57:29 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26041-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:46:50 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA02000; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:57:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:57:01 +0000 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Bryan Eger Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: field in mailing to the List In-Reply-To: <1994Sep2.032755.15649@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You need to put your list in the "Bcc" field (Blind Carbon Copy) rather than the "To" field. The idea of the Bcc field is to let you send messages to people and have the other recipient names omitted from each recipient's message (ie, the recipient only sees his/her own name). You can get to the Bcc field by starting to compose a message, putting the cursor in the headers, and typing ^R (Rich Header). If you use it a lot you could also add Bcc to the list of headers you are shown by default. This is done in the Setup -> Configuration screen. (The variable you want is default-composer-hdrs ... check the built-in help for more details about this by placing your cursor on its entry in the configuration screen and requesting help). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Bryan Eger wrote: > I would like to send a mail to a group of people. This can be easily done > by creating a list of recipients in the address book. The only problem is, > that when the mail is sent, every recipient receives the letter with the list > of all other recipients in the field of the message. When the list > is getting larger, this is really annoying. > > I am using Pine 3.9 on SGI. Is there any way to avoid this problem? > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > Peter Sliz > > -- > > __.--/) .-~~ ~~>>>>>>>> .-. University of Toronto > (._\~ \ ( ~~>>>>>>>>.~.-' Department of Biochemistry > -~} \_~-, )~~>>>>>>>' / E-mail: sliz@gene4d.med.utoronto.ca > { ~/ /~~~~~~. _.-~ > ~.( `--~~/ /~ ~. > .--~~~~_\ \--~( -.-~~-. \ > ```-'~~ / / ~-. \ .--~ / > (((_.' (((__.' ```-' > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:27:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24788; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:27:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16154; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16148; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:17:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgTQc-00000rC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: ^Q - everywhere! Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 00:33:11 -0800 Message-Id: References: <343e40$dfj@riscsm.scripps.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Michael C. Newell wrote: > Is the terminal emulator set up to do XON/XOFF flow control, with the > serial port set for EIA (RTS/CTS) flow control? The ^Q is the XON > character that is used by the terminal emulator to tell the computer it's > OK to send data. I've seen cases where your terminal is set for XON/XOFF > and the modem is set for RTS/CTS (usually &K3 or &R in the config > profile, or in cases where you are directly connected -ixon is set) > causing both ^S and ^Q to show up. > > Try turning off flow control, or setting it to "HARDWARE", "RTS", > "RTC/CTS", "EIA", (or whatever else your communications package calls > hardware flow control) and see if that clears up your problem. The modem program was set to do XON/XOFF. I turned it off, but the problem persisted. It only happened when looking at something which scrolled off the bottom of the screen, such as when looking at the list of articles available in this news group. In addition I also got an error message that ^S was not a command. I don't recall that I got that before, but I certainly may have. Thanks for your help. Ian Ollmann For reference: On 1 Sep 1994, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote: I recently compiled 3.90 for an sgi and found that when accessing the program from a remote terminal (a mac through a modem to our sgi) pine kept complaining the ^Q was not a command... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:27:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24811; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:27:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13763; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13757; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgTVI-00000wC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine version 3.90 is great! Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine should not have a problem with a pre-existing mail directory. Could you send details of your configuration, the errors you get, and what you have tried to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Debbie Teale wrote: > I would also like to say pine 3.90 is great! As a site supporter for > elmer (our locally improved elm) I am further tipped to teaching > pine for new users on campus. This brings with it problems of > those trying or changing over. > > Without any .pinerc (the first time user but elm user), pine dies because the > mail directory already exists. However if a .pinerc is copied in > prior to invoking pine a mail directory is not created for those > who haven't used anything before and of course then no mail can > be sent because mail/sent can't be created. > > Have I missed something in the installation? > > I am sure other sites have the problem of mail vs Mail directory. > Any comments on how to handle this? > > > > > -- > Debbie Teale, UCS, MS736, 220-4467 > E-mail: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:33:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25157; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:33:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13755; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13749; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgTRP-00000sC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Mail Folders and sub-directories Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hierarchical folder collection support is one of the big-ticket items on our to-do list for the next 6 months or so. We are also looking into the possibility of some sort of compressed folder driver... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, George L. Westlund wrote: > Just got the precompiled pine 3.90 and tried it and liked it. Just one > drawback that I'm still waiting for, to be able to have folder > collections exist as a directory structure (I get a lot of mail and > usually keep current quarters mail in ~/mail, but older mail goes in > ~/mail/old_mail/year/quarter" where year is the four digit year and > quarter is q1-q4. It would be nice if a subdirectory could be crossed as > part of a folder collection. > > I sure that I could add these subdirectories as additiional folder > collections, but since they are in the same heirachey, it seem sthat they > should just follow through to be intuitive. > > Another request would be the ability to recognize compressed or gzipped > mail folders and extract from them as well. I'd be happy for this is a > read only mode. > > Other than those two, the new version is great and will boost its > acceptance on our campus. Just too bad it was posted to the ftp server > one working day after our final introduction to UNIX when to the publisher! > > George L. Westlund || Internet: gwestlu@calpoly.edu > Academic Computing Services || BITNET: DI001@CALPOLY.BITNET > Cal Poly || NoiseNET: (805)756-6543 > San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 || FAX: (805)756-1536 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:33:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25180; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:33:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16162; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16156; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:18:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgTUU-00000tC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 00:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <3432q7$5u3@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3432q7$5u3@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Use pine -f "*{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 31 Aug 1994, Jason Pascual wrote: > Is there a way to automatically enter reading newsgroups from pine? What > I'm basically asking is if there is a way to invoke pine with command line > options that will open up a newsgroup. > > Tried: pine -f "*{newsserver.put.here/nntp}[comp.mail.pine]" > > It looks like pine is going to open up the group however it comes back with > a 411 No Such Group error message. Any ideas. > > Jason Pascual > setspike@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 01:33:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25211; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:33:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16250; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:25:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16244; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:25:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgTdQ-000010C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 01:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: smckown@ctea.com Subject: Pine/IMAPd problems on HP-UX Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:27:32 GMT I am having a problem with IMAPd on my HP9000/S800 server running HP-UX v9. I retrieved and compiled the Pine-3.90 source from ...washington.edu. Pine works great, I really like it (first time user). I then pulled down PC-Pine and set up my PINERC (and .pinerc) files so that all my folders were stored on the HP server (so they were listed as remote from PC-Pine). The problem is that many types of operations between PC-Pine and imapd will take 75-80 seconds. Some of these operations include: loggin in, opening a folder, etc. It doesn't always happen. I thought it may be a problem with PC-Pine interacting with my Winsock stack. So, to test, I modified my .pinerc on the server where imapd runs, to 'fake it out' and make it run through imapd rather than locally. I did this my setting the inbox to {hp-server.ctea.com}INBOX, the smtp-host, etc. When I set up pine in this manner, it behaves exactly like PC-Pine (although the unix-hosted pine UA doesn't beep and give the ...waiting... messages). In all cases, the operations do work, they just take 75-80 seconds. This leads me to believe it's an imapd problem. Has anyone seen this problem before? Is there any HP9000S800 users out there that could send me an imapd executable that does not exhibit this problem? Thanks to all for their time and efforts. Steve McKown smckown@ctea.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 03:51:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28205; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:51:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15358; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:38:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15351; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:38:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgVdr-00000ZC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Incompatibility with 3.89 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Both Pine 3.89 and 3.90 support the "-p" command line option to specify an alternate .pinerc file.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: > The pine patch for hebrew e-mail (known also as pineh) is still in > 3.89, and hence I find myself using two versions of pine: 3.90 for > non-Hebrew, and (a patch of) 3.89 for composing Hebrew messages. > This means that I see the annoying "This is a new pine version" message > a whole lot (is there a way to disable it?). A worse problem is that > the new format of .pinerc is not downward compatible with 3.89: when > the lines > > default-composer-hdrs=Subject, > Attchmnt, > Fcc, > Cc, > To > > appear in .pinerc, 3.89 complains on startup, and then it deletes > all accept the first from the file. I tried to edit .pinerc manually > to place the entire assignment in the single line > > > default-composer-hdrs=Subject, Attchmnt, Fcc, Cc, To > > Which seemed to work at first: 3.89 did not touch it, and 3.90 > recognized it. Unfortunately 3.90 also rearranged it to the > original five seperate lines. > > -- Ran > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 03:59:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28290; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:59:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15488; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:50:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15482; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:50:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgVsH-00000bC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine for MiNT! ATARI MiNT???? Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I believe the MiNT port is for the preliminary work that was done on a Mac port of Pine. Certainly it is c-client only, no MiNT work has been done on Pico or Pine that I know of... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 28 Aug 1994, Robert Krenn wrote: > Is this what I read what I think it is? A default "build" for MiNT to ATARI? > > Well I must say that MiNT really starts showing up with the BIG boys, > UNIX, Solaris and so on.... > > > mnt: # Mint > $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ > STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ > CFLAGS="-O -I. -I/mac/h -I/mac/h-tcp $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ > CC=gcc ARRC="gcc-ar rc" RANLIB=true \ > LDFLAGS="-L/mac/lib /mac/lib-tcp/dnr.o -llibmac -llibmac > > > This is to good to be true! > > A happy MiNT user: Robert > > > > -- > d93rkr@t.hfb.se (Robert Krenn) _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ LYNX > tel: +46-243224839 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ STm > University of Borlange, Sweden _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ STe > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ F-030 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 03:59:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28295; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:59:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18018; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:50:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18012; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:50:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgVrD-00000YC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Connecting to NNTP Server Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Try using "*{server/nntp:port}[*]" in the news-collections specification... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > Is there a way to tell pine to connect to an NNTP server that is not on > the usual port 119? I can't figure out the proper way to configure in > the .pinerc (if there is a way to do so). > Thank You > > Joshua Hosseinoff > hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 04:08:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29141; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:08:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15699; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:03:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15693; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:03:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgW3V-00000ZC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: miles@eskimo.com (Miles Bader) Subject: Bug in pine 3.90: requires no "mail" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:58:12 GMT Pine 3.90 won't start up if you have a non-directory file called "mail" in your home directory, even if you have your folder-collections set to something else (in my case, .mail/[]). If you remove this file, and it starts up, it won't mistakenly create a directory or anything. I guess the check for this should be moved to the point that it knows what name to use... -Miles -- -- Miles Bader / miles@eskimo.com / (206) 842-7219 `Life is a boundless sea of bitterness' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 04:17:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29326; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:17:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18229; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:03:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18223; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:03:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgW2s-00000VC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 03:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problems with pico & HPUX & big xterms Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This sounds like a problem that used to happen in earlier releases, but it does not happen for me any more on our HP/UX 9.05 system... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Kenny Wickstrom wrote: > Like everyone else, I think that Pine 3.90 is wonderful. I use it on > SunOS 4.1.3, HPUX 8.0 and soon on Linux. > > Everything seems to work fine on both the Sun and HP. However, on the HP > if I have an xterm with 40 rows and 80 columns and try to Compose a > message, pico only opens a window 24x80. The help lines appear on lines > 23 and 24. If I cancel, the cancel line it about on line 22 (I think). > This is not a problem on the Sun. > > When viewing message, the window size is recognized without a problem, > using the entire with to display the current message. The index, > configure, and address book screens also use the entire window. > > I am using the same source (..tar.gz) for both. The compiler on both is > the default when you specify 'build sun' or 'build hpp'. > > If you have an suggestions, please let me know. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |/ | | > |\enny |/\|ickstrom (wickstro@ttd.teradyne.com) > ======== > // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. > // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 > // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 > // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) > Telecommunications Division // > _// > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 04:52:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00159; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:52:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18947; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:44:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18941; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:44:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgWhG-00000VC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 04:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine/IMAPd problems on HP-UX Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 22:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is a possibility you are experiencing an rsh timeout. Try setting your inbox to {hp-server.ctea.com:143}INBOX which will avoid trying to use rsh pre-authentication. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994 smckown@ctea.com wrote: > > I am having a problem with IMAPd on my HP9000/S800 server running HP-UX v9. I > retrieved and compiled the Pine-3.90 source from ...washington.edu. Pine works > great, I really like it (first time user). I then pulled down PC-Pine and set > up my PINERC (and .pinerc) files so that all my folders were stored on the HP > server (so they were listed as remote from PC-Pine). > > The problem is that many types of operations between PC-Pine and imapd will > take 75-80 seconds. Some of these operations include: loggin in, opening a > folder, etc. It doesn't always happen. > > I thought it may be a problem with PC-Pine interacting with my Winsock stack. > So, to test, I modified my .pinerc on the server where imapd runs, to 'fake it > out' and make it run through imapd rather than locally. I did this my setting > the inbox to {hp-server.ctea.com}INBOX, the smtp-host, etc. > > When I set up pine in this manner, it behaves exactly like PC-Pine (although > the unix-hosted pine UA doesn't beep and give the ...waiting... messages). > > In all cases, the operations do work, they just take 75-80 seconds. > > This leads me to believe it's an imapd problem. Has anyone seen this problem > before? Is there any HP9000S800 users out there that could send me an imapd > executable that does not exhibit this problem? > > Thanks to all for their time and efforts. > > Steve McKown > smckown@ctea.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 05:46:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01267; Fri, 2 Sep 94 05:46:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17012; Fri, 2 Sep 94 05:32:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17006; Fri, 2 Sep 94 05:32:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgXSw-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 05:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dcarriga@nofc.forestry.ca (Dave Carrigan) Subject: Pine 3.90 and VMS -- No VMSBUILD.COM in [.PINE] directory Date: 1 Sep 1994 14:14:39 -0600 Message-Id: <345cnf$gvt@dragon.nofc.forestry.ca> Hi all I just downloaded Pine 3.90 and tried to build it on VMS. I had no problems in the [.PICO] and [.C-CLIENT] directories, but in the [.PINE] directory, there is no VMSBUILD.COM file. Has anybody tried to build Pine on VMS, and if so, could you pass along your .COM file to me? Thanks much, -- ^ dcarrigan@nofc.forestry.ca /|\ Canadian Forest Service, NW Region Dave Carrigan /|\ Northern Forestry Centre | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 06:34:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02155; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:34:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20155; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:29:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20149; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:29:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgYMf-00000bC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Spell prgram in pine. Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There are a couple ways to use Ispell with Pine. Check the FAQ posted earlier this week for details... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Christopher G. Oxenreider wrote: > I might be wrong on this, but isn't there a way to get pine to > use a speller program other than the UNIX spell program? I would like > to use ispell-3.1.08. What am i missing in the configuration? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 06:37:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02220; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:37:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17793; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:33:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17787; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:33:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgYTi-00000cC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 06:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 distribution kit: sample mailcap & imapdrc Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The sample mailcap file was indeed left out of the distribution. The /etc/imapdrc and ~/.imapdrc files are not needed except in very exceptional configurations. At this time we would prefer to discuss your need to use them individually rather than publish the specification. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Two quick queries: > > * The technical notes in the Pine 3.90 kit refer to a sample mailcap file > bundled into the kit. I've unpacked the full kit and roamed around the > directory tree but can't seem to spot it. Can anyone tell me where it is > and what it is called please? > > * The technical notes also refer to system wide and personal imapd > initialisation files: /etc/imapdrc and ~/.imapdrc. I can't find > anything else about these, and no evidence in the imapd source code > (imapd.c) that they are actually used. Are these just a figment of > the future? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk > The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 > University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 > Heslington > York YO1 5DD U.K. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 07:49:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03692; Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:49:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21174; Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:39:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21168; Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:39:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgZSK-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myhsu@db39.ee.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) Subject: Re: Address book in Pine Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:09:11 GMT References: >From: David L Miller >There are several places that the bogus address might have been generated, >including the mailing list manager and whatever mail transports the message >passed through. The bottom line is that if Pine sees an address that is not >complete, it has to guess how to complete it. In some cases this will be >correct, in others it will not. Since most of the people will use a nick or alias for the email address of a mailing list (such like fvwm=fvwm@shrug.org), would it be a feature that Pine can look up the addressbook before completing the address. >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA -- Ming-Yen, Database Lab. ---------- giving you the best that I got -- Computer Science & Information Eng. voice: ........ 886-3-4227151x4504 National Central University, Taiwan fax: ........ 886-3-4227151x4508 -- MIME and BIG5 accepted ---------- email: .. myhsu@db39.ee.ncu.edu.tw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 09:00:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06501; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:00:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20275; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:53:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20269; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:53:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgae0-00000MC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Has any one set up Pine with MMDF mailboxes Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <342drf$dir@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> <344k2f$o9a@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <344k2f$o9a@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> The primary ftp site for Pine is ftp.cac.washington.edu. Look in the /pine directory. Pine 3.90 has been available less than a week, so it may not have propagated to all mirrors yet. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 1 Sep 1994, Robert Bannocks wrote: > David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > > : Are you using the latest Pine 3.90? The MMDF driver is enabled by default > : there... > No! I am using 3.89 which i got form the mirror archive at src.doc.ic.ac.uk > > where can i get 3.90 from ? > > thank you for replying > > : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > : University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > : 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > : On 31 Aug 1994, Robert Bannocks wrote: > > : > has any one set up Pine with mmdf style mailboxes the code seems to be included > : > but I am damed if i can find out how to switch it on > : > > : > any clues > : > -- > : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > : > Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk > : > Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. > : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > : > > : > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk > Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 09:08:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07143; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:08:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22824; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:00:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22818; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:00:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgajO-00000lC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Connecting to NNTP Server Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The spec for .pinerc is: *{:/nntp}[] e.g. *{news.foo.bar:123/nntp}[] -- Mark -- On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > > Is there a way to tell pine to connect to an NNTP server that is not on > the usual port 119? I can't figure out the proper way to configure in > the .pinerc (if there is a way to do so). > Thank You > > Joshua Hosseinoff > hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 09:23:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07737; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:23:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20971; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:19:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20962; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:18:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgaw5-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 08:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 distribution kit: sample mailcap & imapdrc Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Mike Brudenell wrote: > * The technical notes also refer to system wide and personal imapd > initialisation files: /etc/imapdrc and ~/.imapdrc. I can't find > anything else about these, and no evidence in the imapd source code > (imapd.c) that they are actually used. Are these just a figment of > the future? These exist, but are intentionally undocumented; they shouldn't be used by non-UW sites and shouldn't be referenced in the tech notes. I suspect that their functionality is useless for 99.9% of all Pine sites. They exist to support certain experimental facilities at UW and are not for non-UW use (at least not yet). These capabilities are *extremely* dangerous and are used only by certain dedicated IMAP server machines. These files and the commands in them are subject to change without notice. Meaning you can depend upon some capability and then upgrade and find that all your mail has disappeared. If you're really curious, I have a document which says what goes in these files, but you've been fairly warned... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 09:24:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07781; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:24:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20920; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:16:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from 129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20911; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:16:10 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 3 Sep 94 00:13:41 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 00:13:41 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Ming-Yen Hsu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Address book in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Ming-Yen Hsu wrote: > Since most of the people will use a nick or alias for the email address of a > mailing list (such like fvwm=fvwm@shrug.org), would it be a feature that Pine > can look up the addressbook before completing the address. Not a very good idea. First of all most responsible mailing list administrators make sure that they send out FQDN so that replies and such will be easier on people. Then, the nick name you assign needs to be exactly the same as the mailing list address. The idea of a nickname is to shorten things. When sending to pine-info..... I'd much rather assign it a name of pine. And what happens if there are two lists with the same left-hand side? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:25:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12976; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:25:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26153; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:18:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26147; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:18:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgcsc-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: King Cheung Shu Subject: auto uudecode? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 10:59:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will pine automatically uudecode one or a series of uuencoded file(s)? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:25:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13007; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:25:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26192; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:20:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26186; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:20:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgcsl-00000MC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@andrew.triumf.ca (Andrew Daviel) Subject: MIME compose in pine ?? Date: 2 Sep 1994 00:38:53 GMT Message-Id: <345s6t$poj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> OK, so now Pine uses .mailcap to read mail. But the compose is a bit of a kludge. send.c in 3.90 pokes around in the file and decides if it's a GIF, JPEG, audio/basic or PostScript file. There's also some checks to see if it looks like a binary file (from some spreadsheet ??). How about using .mime.types like Mosaic to map file extensions to application types? I can specify Mosaic as a viewer for HTML attachments I receive, but I can't send any, unless there's some way of overriding the type/subtype I haven't discovered. --

Andrew Daviel , TRIUMF , Vancouver, Canada


advax@triumf.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:38:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13475; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:38:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23909; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:32:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23903; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:32:46 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA03301; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 14:27:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Eric Ross Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "New mailbox modification time..." in Pine3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Eric Ross wrote: > Using Pine3.90 on a DG/UX system we get occasional "New mailbox > modification time but apparently no changes" messages. We did not see > this message using Pine3.87. Can anyone suggest possible reasons for this > message? > > Eric Ross, Colorado College eross@cc.colorado.edu > I've been receiving this message as well. I've looked at my mailbox listings, but the files have not changed. We're also on DG/UX 5.4.201. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Systems Administrator | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | P.O. Box 2382 (519) 472-1072 fax | | London, ON | | Canada N6A 5A7 | *----------------------------------------------* If you don't change your direction - you're bound to end up where you're headed. - Chinese Proverb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:39:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13554; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:39:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26463; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:33:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26457; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:33:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgd77-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: make errors in solaris Date: 2 Sep 94 01:27:00 GMT Message-Id: References: mikes@genasys.co.uk ("Michael J. Sheppard") writes: >Nelson, >On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Nelson CHIN wrote: >> can someone help me with this, which i'm trying to build on a solaris: >> >> Making Pine. >> cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" -c addrbook.c >> "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 171: identifier redeclared: rename >> current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int >> previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) >I had this problem and am using the binary I built after solving it. >The Solaris build is setup to use the BSD compatible compiler under >Solaris 2.2. I have Solaris 2.3 and the SunPro ANSI Compiler. My system >is configured so that the default 'cc' command is the ANSI one, this does >not like addrbook.c at all. To get it to compile I forced it to use the >BSD compiler by adding the following line to makefile.sol. >CC=/usr/ucb/bin Please say it isn't so. No programs should use any of the bsd src compatibility cruft. There is serious brain damage lurking. >Using this pine builds without warnings. >BTW. Everything else builds fine with the ANSI compiler. If there is only one module that needs porting then it should be fixed. >Regards, >Mike >E-mail : michael.sheppard@genasys.co.uk >Voice : +44.(0)61.232.9444 >Fax : +44.(0)61.232.9453 -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:54:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14533; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:54:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24268; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:49:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24252; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:49:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgdPa-00000YC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Boyer Subject: pine user-domain setting Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 00:10:46 GMT I am running a DEC 3000-600 with OSF/1 v. 2.0. I have installed PINE 3.90 and really like it. However, I ran into an interesting situation in using the user-domain setting in the .pinerc or pine.conf files. When I set the user-domain to my full address coopext.cahe.wsu.edu, in either file, pine would strip off the hostname when I sent to a local id on the system. For example, if I sent it to me, TO: boyerj it would add the address boyerj@cahe.wsu.edu When user-domain was not set in both the .pinerc and pine.conf files the correct address would appear boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Am I reading the purpose of user-domain wrong? I thought it would use the user-domain on local addresses? Anybody that can help me understand this I would greatly appreciate it. Note: I did test this on another test alpha we have with the same results. Thanks for the help, ============================================= Jim Boyer BOYERJ@COOPEXT.CAHE.WSU.EDU College of Agriculture and Home Economics Washington State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 11:59:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14779; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:59:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26929; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:54:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26923; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:54:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgdRv-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Scott Drassinower Subject: Pine 3.90 - Wow! Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 00:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just grabbed Pine 3.90 and compiled it here. It's fabulous. The newsreader is really great, and the Setup module is wonderful. But... How can I set a default sort preference for both my mail folder (say, newer messages at the top, like in elm), and then a preference for my news folder (sorted by subject)? I can change it everytime I go in, but am not sure how to make this permanent. Also, will anything ever be done with the arrow keys? When viewing a message, it would really be nice to hit the left arrow and get to the index, or hit the down arrow at the end of a message and get the next message. Just something to make life easier. -- Scott Drassinower * scottd@cloud9.net Cloud 9 Internet * White Plains, New York From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 12:22:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15771; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:22:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27304; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:09:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27298; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:09:19 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21738; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:09:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Andrew Daviel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME compose in pine ?? In-Reply-To: <345s6t$poj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Andrew, We had hoped to get mime.types support into 3.90, but didn't make it. It should be in the next non-maintenance release. -teg On 2 Sep 1994, Andrew Daviel wrote: > OK, so now Pine uses .mailcap to read mail. But the compose is a bit of > a kludge. send.c in 3.90 pokes around in the file and decides if it's > a GIF, JPEG, audio/basic or PostScript file. There's also some checks > to see if it looks like a binary file (from some spreadsheet ??). > > How about using .mime.types like Mosaic to map file extensions to > application types? I can specify Mosaic as a viewer for HTML attachments > I receive, but I can't send any, unless there's some way of overriding > the type/subtype I haven't discovered. > > > -- >

> Andrew Daviel > , TRIUMF > , Vancouver, Canada >

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advax@triumf.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 12:35:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16165; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:35:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24960; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:22:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24954; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:21:55 -0700 Received: from andrew.Triumf.CA by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25557; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:21:54 -0700 Received: by andrew.triumf.ca (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qgXal-0003lvC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 12:19 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:19:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Daviel To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME compose in pine ?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1519270762-491625158-778508379=:10448" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1519270762-491625158-778508379=:10448 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Andrew, > We had hoped to get mime.types support into 3.90, but didn't make it. > It should be in the next non-maintenance release. > > -teg Great. I've just started using Pine on Linux after years of VAX/VMS mail, so I was playing with all the things I couldn't previously do, like multimedia attachments - Andrew --1519270762-491625158-778508379=:10448 Content-Type: IMAGE/GIF; name="signature.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: R0lGODdhQgAzAIAAAAAAAP///ywAAAAAQgAzAAAC2IyPqcvtD6OctNqLs968 ewuE4UciIhCI5acm6MqNiwxj9Fzbb7Pn083o+SDA4Kr4QOJIrZ+QVzo5f9Em kfLcoJQKbjereYG/1Khh7MJWzxJ0d51qG11ukFhOTpvP9XjedHTgJTjz1FfR 01e0GEhIZGjYyPb4xyeZohgJCGdJSbfJtHNi9fbpGDp6CHRziNXUqol5JDQo SGvrNLgKm3j3WDuph9eJNqpW2ibqS0c6bNLqJ4spJpUBBi3TW601NwVt153r owRsOhR+3vGdzt7u/g4fLz9PXw9TAAA7 --1519270762-491625158-778508379=:10448-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 14:11:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20469; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:11:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29764; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:04:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29758; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:04:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgfUC-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 13:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Subject: getting pine to snarf all /usr/spool/mail/user to ~/mbox Date: 2 Sep 1994 03:16:58 GMT Message-Id: <3465fa$r68@garuda.csulb.edu> In pine 3.88 I made a short local configuration change (provided by David L. Miller) to get pine to grab the users mail from the spool and put it in ~/mbox, if such a file already existed. This was a simple 2 line change to pine.c in previous versions, but after a quick grep thru the source tree, it looks like its not as obvious a change as last time. This was the previous diff on pine.c wren:~/tmp/pine3.88/pine $ diff pine.c pine.c~ 59c59 < nntpdriver, dawzdriver, mboxdriver; --- > nntpdriver, dawzdriver; 325d324 < mail_link((DRIVER *)&mboxdriver); Any suggestions as to what to change in pine 3.90 to get the same effect? -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services CSU Long Beach - Network Support | finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu for pgp public key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 14:11:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20492; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:11:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27108; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:04:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27102; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:04:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgfTI-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 13:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tyton@crl.com (William M Davis) Subject: pinerc??? Date: 2 Sep 1994 12:13:48 -0700 Message-Id: <347thc$2cr@crl2.crl.com> Could someone please help me with the proper syntax for constructing a pinerc file for PcPine? My nntp server is nntp.crl.com & smtp is mail.crl.com I am running the lastest version of Pine & Trumpet Winsock V1.0a, I think:) After I estasblish the Slip connection and load Pine I get several errors: ..nntp.. '] missing in context...I enclosed nntp.crl.com in brackets and I think that took care of it, but I still can't get Pine to find my INBOX or Folders on the Dial-up Server?? I have taken a wrong turn on the Information Superhighway;) could someone please wash the windshield, check the air, and give me directions:)))) Mike Davis Lost in Time & Lost in Pine... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 14:59:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22405; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:59:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28101; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:54:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28089; Fri, 2 Sep 94 14:54:48 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa06974; 2 Sep 94 17:54 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18397; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 17:54:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 17:54:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine's interpretation of multipart/digest (& mailing list digests) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2138107840-755253631-778542342=:22757" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2138107840-755253631-778542342=:22757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: [ I'm not a MIME expert, so if I'm just misinterpreting the RFC, please forgive me. This is the first time I've tried constructing one by hand, and that took me a couple of tries to get it exactly right. ] When I send myself the following file, what Pine displays as the list of parts is: Subject: Mime multipart/digest test message Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 6 lines Text, "Part one of MIME test message" 2 Shown 144 bytes Message, "This part of the test message is content ty 2.1 Shown 3 lines Text 3 Shown 8 lines Text, ""This is the third and last part of the test m 4 Shown 3 lines Text ---------------------------------------- [ Please ignore that "third and last" above. I added part 4 later. ] I thought that for Content-type: multipart/digest, the default for each part was message/rfc822, not text. [ rfc1521 ] | 7.2.4. The Multipart/digest subtype | | This document defines a "digest" subtype of the multipart Content- | Type. This type is syntactically identical to multipart/mixed, but | the semantics are different. In particular, in a digest, the default | Content-Type value for a body part is changed from "text/plain" to | "message/rfc822". This is done to allow a more readable digest | format that is largely compatible (except for the quoting convention) | with RFC 934. The attachment list above lists all the parts as Text, except for the one part that has an explicit Context-type: message-rfc822 header. I suppose the general escape clause that message/rfc822 is a subtype of text, and that if you don't understand a text subtype, it's reasonable to treat it (more-or-less) as test/plain, could be a justification. Part 2 ( the one with the explicit Content-type: message/rfc822 header ) is doubly listed as : part 2 Message, the body of which shows includes the headers, part 2.1 Text, the body of which does not contain the rfc822 headers, only the message body text. Is this double listing a side effect of Justification #1 above ? On the positive side: This was a test that was a followup to my post about using MIME multipart/digest for mailing list digests. I wanted to see what Pine did with one BEFORE suggesting enhancements. Although Pine does initially display all of the text sections "inline" , you can still select a message from the view attachment list. If a digester puts something into the Content-Description: like '(From:) subject', it makes a reasonable way to look thru a large digest. One can then save the message into a file which can be opened as a folder ( at least with Pine I was able to do so. It is missing a bsd-mbox "From " line, so it may not be considered a mail folder by non c-client programs. ) and a REPLY to that extracted message worked properly. So, while I'ld like *better* support for Messages in Pine, the existing functionality still beats having to unpack an entire digest to individually reply to one message. What I'ld *like* to see is something like a MIME multipart/digest driver for c-client, so that a multipart/digest could be treated just like another folder. ( I don't know if such a recursive use of Pine is possible. ) It would also be nice if other messages from a folder could be attached without first having to extract them to a file. I also note that in trying to reply to a multipart message, when I ask to include the message in my reply, it only includes the initial section. I assume that this is intentional: so that people don't unintentionally include large attachments. ( Not necessarily complaining here: If you aren't going to provide any options, attaching only part one is probably the better thing to do. ) [ Pine 3.90 is really great, guys! However, now that it's twice as usable as 3.89, I'm using it four times as often. ( If it only had mush's 'pick' or some equivalent!!! ) So you may actually get MORE requests for features, etc. ;-) ] - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics ---2138107840-755253631-778542342=:22757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; NAME="mime.digest" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: A test multipart/message mime file VG86IHNkbTdnQFZpcmdpbmlhLkVEVQ0KTUlNRS1WZXJzaW9uOiAxLjANClN1 YmplY3Q6IE1pbWUgbXVsdGlwYXJ0L2RpZ2VzdCB0ZXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UNCkNv bnRlbnQtVHlwZTogbXVsdGlwYXJ0L2RpZ2VzdDsgYm91bmRhcnk9Ii0tLS1u ZXh0LW1lc3NhZ2UtIg0KDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgYSB0ZXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgY29u dGFpbmluZyBNSU1FICBtdWx0aXBhcnQvZGlnZXN0IA0KbWVzc2FnZXMuIFRo aXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBub3QgZGlzcGxheWVkIGJ5IGEgTUlNRSB2aWV3ZXIu DQoNCg0KLS0tLS0tbmV4dC1tZXNzYWdlLQ0KQ29udGVudC1EZXNjcmlwdGlv bjogUGFydCBvbmUgb2YgTUlNRSB0ZXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UNCg0KRnJvbTogc2Rt N2dAVmlyZ2luaWEuRURVDQpUbzogIndob20gaXQgbWF5IGNvbmNlcm4iIA0K U3ViamVjdDogUGFydCBvbmUgb2YgTUlNRSB0ZXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UuIA0KDQpU aGlzIGlzIHBhcnQgb25lLiANCkFsbCBvZiBpdC4gDQoNCi0tLS0tLW5leHQt bWVzc2FnZS0NCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogTWVzc2FnZS9yZmM4MjINCkNvbnRl bnQtRGVzY3JpcHRpb246IFRoaXMgcGFydCBvZiB0aGUgdGVzdCBtZXNzYWdl IGlzIGNvbnRlbnQgdHlwZSA9IE1lc3NhZ2UvcmZjODIyDQoNCkZyb206IHNk bTdnQFZpcmdpbmlhLkVEVQ0KVG86ICJ3aG9tIGl0IG1heSBjb25jZXJuIiAN ClN1YmplY3Q6IFBhcnQgdHdvIG9mIE1JTUUgdGVzdCBtZXNzYWdlLiANCg0K VGhpcyBpcyBwYXJ0IHR3by4gDQpBbGwgb2YgaXQuIA0KQWxsIG9mIGl0LiAN Cg0KLS0tLS0tbmV4dC1tZXNzYWdlLQ0KQ29udGVudC1JRDogPDFAMT4gKCJ0 byB3aG9tIGl0IG1heSBjb25jZXJuIikNCkNvbnRlbnQtRGVzY3JpcHRpb246 ICJUaGlzIGlzIHRoZSB0aGlyZCBhbmQgbGFzdCBwYXJ0IG9mIHRoZSB0ZXN0 IG1lc3NhZ2UuIg0KDQpGcm9tOiBzZG03Z0BWaXJnaW5pYS5FRFUNClRvOiAi d2hvbSBpdCBtYXkgY29uY2VybiIgDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBQYXJ0IHRocmVlIG9m IE1JTUUgdGVzdCBtZXNzYWdlLiANCg0KVGhpcyBpcyBwYXJ0IHRocmVlLiAN CkFsbCBvZiBpdC4gDQpBbGwgb2YgaXQuIA0KQWxsIG9mIGl0LiANCg0KLS0t LS0tbmV4dC1tZXNzYWdlLQ0KDQpUaGUgZW5kLiANCg0KLSBTdGV2ZSANCg0K LS0tLS0tbmV4dC1tZXNzYWdlLS0tDQo= ---2138107840-755253631-778542342=:22757-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 16:08:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24785; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:08:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29300; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:02:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29294; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:02:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qghKP-00000MC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 15:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Newsgroups - How to post articles to local server? Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 22:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <1994Aug31.071251.12583@lostlink.alt.za> <1994Sep1.161358.18903@lostlink.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Sep1.161358.18903@lostlink.alt.za> What you need to do is start up an NNTP server on your machine, then point Pine at localhost. A bit convoluted, but I don't see why it won't work... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Warwick Ward-Cox wrote: > Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > : On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Warwick Ward-Cox wrote: > > : > I am running pine 3.90, but can't seem to post messages to my newsgroups, > : > it keeps coming up saying "no server defined for newsgroups" even if I > : > put in my domain name in the nntp-server option it doesn't work. > > : You need to put the name of a "host" that is acting as an > : NNTP server. Not your domain name. > > Problem is I have a UUCP link with my host, so Pine returns and says cant > make link with NNTP server or something like that.. > > What I need it to do is update my /var/spool/news directly as though the > server was local? > > Thanks, > Warwick > > > > -- > > --- --------------------------------------------------------------- > | Warwick Ward-Cox Email : wwar@lostlink.alt.za | > | Sysop of Lost Link Fidonet : 5:7102/134 | > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 16:09:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24815; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:09:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02230; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:05:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02224; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:05:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qghMT-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 15:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" Subject: adds to pine's newsreader? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 13:09:14 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! I discovered last night the pine3.90. Compiled it and it's great! Congratulations to the developing team!! However I have three questions/ideas: * is there any method to define a kill file for newsgroups? You can't use something like procmail to filter them. * once Dismissed and eXpunged a news article I didn't found any method to review that article (or to see again all the articles still available on the news server for that group). * I can access a news server which is not very rich in newsgroups. But I have another account on a machine in a completely different site, which is allowed to connect to a there local news server which is much richer in newsgroups. The direct connection with the rich news server from the machine I work daily is refused by the server. The question: is there a possibility to use the richer news server using my remote account without starting pine on the remote machine? I mean using imapd or alike? Again congratulations for the good work you've done, Mihai Lazarescu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 16:44:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25914; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:44:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29964; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:40:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29958; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:40:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qghyC-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mackiner@bach.seattleu.edu (Thomas McInerney) Subject: How to break-out digest messages? Date: 2 Sep 1994 00:54:08 -0700 Message-Id: <346ln0$gb4@bach.seattleu.edu> I susbscribe to a mail list from which my messages are in digest form, usually two messages of about 30-40 messages each per day; I was wondering if anybody has written a script or program for Pine that will allow me to "break-out" my long digest messages into separate messages, and then treat them as I would other e-mail messages? Somebody sent me a script that will do this for the Elm program, but Elm isn't available here. mackiner@seattleu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 16:54:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26253; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:54:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00233; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:48:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00219; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:48:38 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15895; 2 Sep 94 19:48 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA17273; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 19:48:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 19:48:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine SELECT vs. mush pick (was: Pine's interpretation of multipart/digest) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rather than just saying "RTFM" :-), Terry Gray politely wrote: > Steve, > I'm not a mush user, and don't have access to it on our systems, so could > I trouble you to explain what mush's "pick" function does? Actually, I hadn't yet tried all of the new functions out, and I misunderstood how SELECT works. It looks like SELECT and APPLY give me just about the same capability as mush 'pick'. And used with ZOOM, it may even be better! I'm CC-ing this to the list, as there may be a few other dense souls like me out there, who may take some time to discover all the neat new features. Also, Re: the filter FAQ thread : Perhaps discovering that they can SELECT a group of messages and APPLY SAVE to another folder to that group, will satisfy them. It's not automatic, like filter/procmail - but I agree that a MUA is not the place for automatic filtering. ] Up to now, I've been maintaining Pine here for other users, and maybe only using it myself 15% of the time. ( For imap & mime support ). It now looks, with 3.90 and BOUNCE/SELECT/ APPLY/PIPE/ZOOM, plus all of the new configuration options, that I can finally accept Pine as my everyday mailreader! Did I mention that I also like the way TAKE-ADDRESS works now. Also that rich-header mode in compose gives you newsgroups as well as mail destinations, so I can reply to a mailing list and "cc" a newsgroup. Even *MORE* impressed! ( Like they say in the commercial "It's IN there!" ) Just one minor complaint. ( Well - just one non MIME related complaint! ). Not to forget needs of the novice user, with all those new advanced features: I have notices that some commands ( BOUNCE for one example ) have a "^G Get Help" at the bottom of the screen, but there is not help for that command. But what is bad is that it doesn't say "no help available", it just sits there and looks unresponsive. ( Which is why I don't recall the commands before BOUNCE where this happened - I just kept trying to get help, and the ^C-ed out. ) - Confusing! - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 17:02:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26577; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:02:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00383; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:59:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00377; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:59:33 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29683; Fri, 2 Sep 94 16:59:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Missing Help (was: Pine SELECT vs. mush pick (was: Pine's interpretation of multipart/digest) ) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > Not to forget needs of the novice user, with all those new > advanced features: > I have notices that some commands ( BOUNCE for one example ) > have a "^G Get Help" at the bottom of the screen, but there > is not help for that command. But what is bad is that it > doesn't say "no help available", it just sits there and > looks unresponsive. Definitely a bug! Please let us know if you see any other commands missing their help text besides Bounce... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 17:18:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27407; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:18:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00835; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00829; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:14:52 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa17446; 2 Sep 94 20:14 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA21158; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 20:14:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 20:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Thomas McInerney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to break-out digest messages? In-Reply-To: <346ln0$gb4@bach.seattleu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Sep 1994, Thomas McInerney wrote: > I susbscribe to a mail list from which my messages are in digest form, > usually two messages of about 30-40 messages each per day; I was wondering > if anybody has written a script or program for Pine that will allow me > to "break-out" my long digest messages into separate messages, and then > treat them as I would other e-mail messages? Somebody sent me a script > that will do this for the Elm program, but Elm isn't available here. > mackiner@seattleu.edu Well, this is not what you want, but following up on my other thread: I tried editing the header of a mail digest and adding these lines: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" and reading it back: (1) boundary is unlikely to be exactly the same in all mail digests. (2) It wasn't exactly the same even within the one I tried, so it only almost worked. The first boundary was longer. And MIME expects the last one two have an extra trailing "--" . But, again - it mostly worked, and didn't require undigesting the whole digest. So if I were going to write a script, rather than an "undigester", I'ld write a digest->MIME multipart/digest converter. ( But, typically the problem is, mailing list managers and programs tend to be notorious non-followers of standard and convention, so I don't know if there is a consistant enough pattern to do either the undigest or the mime-ify automatically. I'll have to collect a sample from several digests. Mush's undigest allows you to specify the pattern to split on. ( I think elm does also ) The default is 8*"-" as an initial string. Both of them can sometimes mis-split messages. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 17:34:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27868; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:34:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01076; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:31:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01068; Fri, 2 Sep 94 17:31:26 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qgj0x-000DTIC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:31 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 20:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey" Subject: Re: How to break-out digest messages? To: Thomas McInerney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <346ln0$gb4@bach.seattleu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Sep 1994, Thomas McInerney wrote: > I susbscribe to a mail list from which my messages are in digest form, > usually two messages of about 30-40 messages each per day; I was wondering > if anybody has written a script or program for Pine that will allow me > to "break-out" my long digest messages into separate messages, and then > treat them as I would other e-mail messages? Somebody sent me a script > that will do this for the Elm program, but Elm isn't available here. > mackiner@seattleu.edu Good idea, please send me the info too, I have Pine 3.89 and Elm 2.4. Dave ___ **************************************************************************** No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads! **************************************************************************** Dave M. Harvey Key ID B3 CC E2 DD PO Box 151311 Fingerprint 43 52 55 1F 6C 48 91 1F Columbus, OH 43215-8311 4C B9 90 AA 04 DC 76 AF Also availble at dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 18:35:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29288; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:35:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04903; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:32:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04897; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:32:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgjfh-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: martin@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Martin Hamilton) Subject: Pine 3.90 & MIME Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 13:00:37 GMT Is there any way of specifying the MIME content-type/encoding when you compose a message ? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 19:00:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29912; Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:00:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02286; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:52:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from 129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02280; Fri, 2 Sep 94 18:52:06 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 3 Sep 94 09:49:41 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 09:49:39 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: King Cheung Shu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: auto uudecode? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, King Cheung Shu wrote: > Will pine automatically uudecode one or a series of uuencoded file(s)? > If the uuencoded file has been sent as a MIME attachment then this can be achived by use of the .mailcap file. If the uuencoded file is part of the message body then you can use the | (pipe) command. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 19:25:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00465; Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:25:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02619; Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:20:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02613; Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:20:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgkTD-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: egghead@cloud9.net (egghead / iCE) Subject: Help. Date: 2 Sep 1994 15:20:12 GMT Message-Id: <347frv$gvi@news.cloud9.net> Ok, I need some help trying to make what I want to do work corrently. Here it goes: I have a "Distribution List" that I would like to run. I have around 20 names or so in Pine's Addressbook under one alias. What I want to happen, is that when someone sends a message to iCE@cloud9.net (the list's address), that it takes that message, and sends it to all 20 people definied in the addressbook alias. Is there any way to do this using Pine? I'm using Pine 3.90. If you tell me the solution is filter, can you tell me where I can find the Elm Filter Guide? Thanks. -Brad egghead@cloud9.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 20:46:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01920; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:46:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06599; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:41:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06593; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:41:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qglez-00000VC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Keith K Chau Subject: Ispell 3.1.8 with PINE 3.90 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:12:34 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have recently installed the lastest version of Ispell 3.1.8 to replace the less advanced, GNU (discontinued) version 4.0. But I find that the new version cannot act as a direct replacement for the GNU one and is not working properly with PINE. I would like to know if there are things that I should fine-tune before using this new version. Thanks. Keith P.S. I am running Linux 1.1.49 here. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 20:47:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01955; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:47:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03610; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:40:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03604; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:40:15 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa28363; 2 Sep 94 23:40 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA14889; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 23:40:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 23:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: digest->mime multipart/digest (strange interpretations) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just tried to throw together a Python program that would convert mail digests in somewhat standard form into MIME multipart/digest messages with From + Subject fields concatenated into the Content-Description: header of each part. I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why it didn't quite work. ( and I don't have that much to spare! )-: It *LOOKED* like a proper MIME file! One odd clue, though, was that Pine was displaying the headers oddly - with a blank line in the middle of the headers. ( The blank line wasn't in the file! ) Then I stumbled upon the fact that sending the modified file back to myself via 'sendmail -ba' seemed to fix it. (?) When I extracted the message I was going to mimeify with mush instead of Pine, the procedure also worked. I tried dumping the message from Pine with SAVE rather than EXTRACT ( which is what I must have first used. ) - YES. Than also worked. Unfortunately, the PIPE command seems to do the same thing as EXTRACT ( i.e. only output a subset of the headers. ), so I can't pipe a message to this digest2mime script. I had noted the difference between SAVE and EXTRACT before, but I recall in one of the earlier versions of Pine, it wouldn't let you open something that wasn't a proper folder. In this case, I am able to open the file as a folder, and get an index of it's contents ( 1 message ), but something keeps it from being interpreted as a proper MIME message - or maybe even as a proper Mail message. With full headers off, there is a empty line displayed after a Subject: line containing the file name. This line is not in the file, and there is a real Subject line below the blank line ( which is also not in the file at that place, but is in the pine display ) which appears to be not properly interpreted as part of the headers. ( This is also the problem with proper MIME interpretation: when I turn on full headers, there are two sets of MIME-Version and Content-Type headers: the incorrect ones that Pine is adding on the top, and the correct ones below. ) The display looks like this: [ PINE 3.90 MESSAGE TEXT xxxx.mime.tmp(READONLY) Msg 1 of 1 ] Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 02:54:43 +0000 From: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU Subject: /home/sdm7g/.Mail/xxxx.mime.tmp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From List-Managers-Digest-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 01:10:08 -0700 From: List-Managers-Digest-Owner@GreatCircle.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="--------next-message-" Subject: List Managers Digest V3 #149 and what is actually in the file is: >From List-Managers-Digest-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 01:10:08 -0700 From: List-Managers-Digest-Owner@GreatCircle.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="--------next-message-" Subject: List Managers Digest V3 #149 If I try a REPLY, it appears to extract the From: line into the composer screen properly, so it seems to be considered *some* sort of message. Could it be being interpreted as a NEWS message rather than a Mail message, ( even though it's in my Mail folder ) because of some missing header line. And what is the significantly missing line ? Can PIPE and EXPORT be configured to output the necessary lines ? -- Clueless, but not yet hairless in Charlottesville -- - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 21:13:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02473; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:13:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04004; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:10:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03998; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:10:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgmAH-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 20:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: getting pine to snarf all /usr/spool/mail/user to ~/mbox Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <3465fa$r68@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3465fa$r68@garuda.csulb.edu> In Pine 3.90, you can add the mbox driver by simply adding it to the build command line, e.g. build ult EXTRADRIVERS=mbox |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Sep 1994, VampLestat wrote: > In pine 3.88 I made a short local configuration change (provided by David > L. Miller) to get pine to grab the users mail from the spool and put it in > ~/mbox, if such a file already existed. > > This was a simple 2 line change to pine.c in previous versions, but after a > quick grep thru the source tree, it looks like its not as obvious a change > as last time. > > This was the previous diff on pine.c > wren:~/tmp/pine3.88/pine $ diff pine.c pine.c~ > 59c59 > < nntpdriver, dawzdriver, mboxdriver; > --- > > nntpdriver, dawzdriver; > 325d324 > < mail_link((DRIVER *)&mboxdriver); > > Any suggestions as to what to change in pine 3.90 to get the same effect? > > > > > -- > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu > | Academic Computing Services CSU Long Beach - Network Support > | finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu for pgp public key > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 21:54:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03117; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:54:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07456; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:51:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07450; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:51:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgmp4-000008C; Fri, 2 Sep 94 21:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: adds to pine's newsreader? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Mihai T. LAZARESCU wrote: > Hello! > > I discovered last night the pine3.90. Compiled it and it's great! > Congratulations to the developing team!! > Thanks! > However I have three questions/ideas: > > * is there any method to define a kill file for newsgroups? You can't > use something like procmail to filter them. > Not at this time :( > * once Dismissed and eXpunged a news article I didn't found any method > to review that article (or to see again all the articles still > available on the news server for that group). > Use '&' to Unexclude. > * I can access a news server which is not very rich in newsgroups. > But I have another account on a machine in a completely different site, > which is allowed to connect to a there local news server which is much > richer in newsgroups. The direct connection with the rich news server > from the machine I work daily is refused by the server. > > The question: is there a possibility to use the richer news server > using my remote account without starting pine on the remote machine? I > mean using imapd or alike? > You can actually get to both, assuming the remote site has imapd installed. In the Setup/Config screen set news-collections="Local News" *{localserver/nntp}[], "Remote News" *{remoteserver}[] then restart Pine. The "Local News" collection will access the local server via NNTP and use the .newsrc file on the local machine. The "Remote News" collection will access news on the remote system via IMAP and use the .newsrc file on the remote machine. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 22:35:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03773; Fri, 2 Sep 94 22:35:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07888; Fri, 2 Sep 94 22:32:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07882; Fri, 2 Sep 94 22:31:57 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa07074; 3 Sep 94 1:31 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA20099; Sat, 3 Sep 1994 01:31:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.mail.mime,comp.lang.python Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 01:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: List-Managers-Digest@greatcircle.com Subject: digest -> mime multi-part digest Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2138107840-2078917053-778568888=:24683" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2138107840-2078917053-778568888=:24683 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Here's a Python script to convert digests with "\n--------" message separators into a mime Content-type: multipart/digest message. [ Python info: or ] A MIME-aware mail-reader like Pine, for example, shows the single messages as attachments: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 01:10:05 -0700 From: List-Managers-Digest-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Reply to: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM To: List-Managers-Digest@GreatCircle.COM Subject: List Managers Digest V3 #152 Parts/attachments: 1 Shown 19 lines Text 2 Shown 32 lines Text, "Re: .forward files and rewriting of headers (Jerry Peek -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics ---2138107840-2078917053-778568888=:24683 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; NAME="digest2mime.py" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Python program to convert old digest form to mime multipart/ IyEvdXNyL2xvY2FsL2Jpbi9weXRob24NCg0KZnJvbSByZmM4MjIgaW1wb3J0 IE1lc3NhZ2UNCmltcG9ydCBzdHJpbmcNCg0KIw0KIyBVc2FnZTogZGlnZXN0 Mm1pbWUucHkgIFsgaW5wdXQtZmlsZSBbb3V0cHV0LWZpbGVdXSANCiMgCUlm IG91dHB1dCBmaWxlIGlzIG1pc3NpbmcsIHdyaXRlIHRvIHN0ZG91dA0KIyAJ SWYgb3V0cHV0ICYgaW5wdXQgbWlzc2luZzogcmVhZCBzdGRpbiAmIHdyaXRl IHN0ZG91dA0KIw0KIyBUaGlzIHByb2dyYW0gcmVhZHMgaW4gYSBzaW5nbGUg cmZjODIyIG1lc3NhZ2UgY29udGFpbmluZyBhIA0KIyBkaWdlc3QgaW4gdGhl IHNvbWV3aGF0IHN0YW5kYXJkIGZvcm0gd2hlcmUgJ1xuLS0tLS0tLS0nLiog DQojIHNlcGFyYXRlcyBtZXNzYWdlcywgYW5kIHdyaXRlcyBvdXQgYSBzaW5n bGUgcmZjODIyIA0KIyBtaW1lIG11bHRpcGFydC9tZXNzYWdlIGZpbGUgd2l0 aCBlYWNoIGRpZ2VzdCBtZXNzYWdlIA0KIyBhcyBhIHBhcnQuIA0KIw0KIyBT dWJqZWN0OiBhbmQgRnJvbTogaGVhZGVycyBhcmUgY29uY2F0ZW5hdGVkIGlu dG8gdGhlIA0KIyBDb250ZW50X0Rlc2NyaXB0aW9uOiBoZWFkZXJzLiAoIFRo aXMgc2hvdWxkIGJlIHBhcnNlZCANCiMgYW5kIHNob3J0ZW5lZCBmdXJ0aGVy IGluZm8gaXMgdmlzaWJsZSBvbiBzaG9ydCBsaW5lcy4pDQojDQoNCkNvbnRl bnRfVHlwZSA9ICJDb250ZW50LVR5cGU6IG11bHRpcGFydC9kaWdlc3Q7IGJv dW5kYXJ5PSIgDQpJc01pbWVFcnJvciA9ICdJc01pbWVFcnJvcicgDQoNCmRl ZiBtaW1laWZ5KCBmcCwgZGJvdW5kLCBtYm91bmQsIG91dCApOg0KIyAgZnAg aXMgaW5wdXQgZmlsZQ0KIyAgZGJvdW5kIGlzIHRoZSAoaW5wdXQpIGRpZ2Vz dCBib3VuZGFyeSBzdHJpbmcgDQojICBtYm91bmQgaXMgdGhlIChvdXRwdXQp IG1pbWUgbXVsdGlwYXJ0IGJvdW5kYXJ5IHN0cmluZw0KIyAgb3V0IGlzIHRo ZSBzaW5rIGZ1bmN0aW9uIGZvciBvdXRwdXQgKHR5cGljYWxseTogZmlsZS53 cml0ZSBvciBsaXN0LmFwcGVuZCkNCiMgDQoJbSA9IE1lc3NhZ2UoIGZwICkJ IyBwYXJzZXMgcmZjODIyIGhlYWRlcnMsIGFuZCBsZWF2ZXMgZmlsZSBwb3Mg YXQgbm9uIGhlYWRlciBsaW5lDQoJaWYgbS5nZXRoZWFkZXIoJ01pbWUtVmVy c2lvbicpIDogDQoJCXJhaXNlICBJc01pbWVFcnJvciwgJ21lc3NhZ2UgaXMg YWxyZWFkeSBpbiBNSU1FIGZvcm1hdCcNCgkJIyBpdCdzIHBvc3NpYmxlIHRv IGNoZWNrIENvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogYW5kIHNlZSBpZiBhbnkNCgkJIyBmdXJ0 aGVyIHByb2Nlc3NpbmcgY2FuIGJlIGRvbmUsIGJ1dCBmb3Igbm93OiBOTy4g DQoJbS5oZWFkZXJzLmFwcGVuZCggJ01JTUUtVmVyc2lvbjogMS4wXG4nICkN CgltLmhlYWRlcnMuYXBwZW5kKCBDb250ZW50X1R5cGUgKyAnIicgKyBtYm91 bmQgKyAnIiBcbicgKQ0KCWZvciBsaW5lIGluIG0uaGVhZGVyczoNCgkJb3V0 KCBsaW5lICkNCglvdXQoICdcblxuIFRoaXMgTUlNRSBkaWdlc3QgcHJvZHVj ZWQgYnkgZGlnZXN0Mm1pbWUucHlcbicgKQ0KCW91dCggIiBJZiB5b3UgY2Fu IHJlYWQgdGhpcywgdGhlbiB5b3UgZG9uJ3QgbmVlZCB0aGUgcHJvZ3JhbSFc biIgKQ0KCW91dCggJ1xuLS0nK21ib3VuZCsnXG5cbicgKQ0KCWRibGVuID0g bGVuKCBkYm91bmQgKQ0KCWxpbmUgPSAnVHJ1ZScgDQoJd2hpbGUgbGluZTog IA0KIyBjdXJyZW50IHZlcnNpb24gb25seSByZWFkcyBleHBlY3RzIGEgZmls ZSB3aXRoIGEgc2luZ2xlIGRpZ2VzdA0KIyBNdXN0IGNoZWNrIGZvciBtZXNz YWdlIGRlbGltaXRlciBpZiB3ZSB3YW50IHRvIGhhbmRsZSBtdWx0aXBsZXMN CgkJbGluZSA9IGZwLnJlYWRsaW5lKCkNCgkJaWYgbGluZVs6ZGJsZW5dID09 IGRib3VuZCA6IA0KCQkJbGluZSA9IGZwLnJlYWRsaW5lKCkgICMgc2hvdWxk IGJlIGEgYmxhbmsgbGluZSAtIG91Z2h0IHRvIHZlcmlmeQ0KCQkJb3V0KCAn XG4tLScrbWJvdW5kKydcbicgKQ0KCQkJbW0gPSBNZXNzYWdlKCBmcCApIA0K CQkJc3ViaiA9IHN0cmluZy5zdHJpcChtbS5nZXRoZWFkZXIoJ3N1YmplY3Qn KSBvciAnJykNCgkJCWZybSA9ICBzdHJpbmcuc3RyaXAobW0uZ2V0aGVhZGVy KCdmcm9tJykgb3IgJycpDQoJCQlpZiBmcm0gb3Igc3ViaiA6DQoJCQkJb3V0 KCAnQ29udGVudC1EZXNjcmlwdGlvbjogJytzdWJqWzo0NF0rICcgKCcgK2Zy bSsnKVxuXG4nICkNCgkJCWVsc2U6IG91dCggJ1xuJyApDQoJCQlmb3IgaGRy IGluIG1tLmhlYWRlcnM6IG91dCggaGRyICkJCQkNCgkJZWxzZTogb3V0KCBs aW5lICApIA0KCW91dCggJ1xuLS0nICsgbWJvdW5kICsgJy0tXG4nICkgDQoN Cg0KDQppZiBfX25hbWVfXyA9PSAiX19tYWluX18iIDogDQogICAgaW1wb3J0 IHN5cw0KICAgIGlmIHN5cy5hcmd2WzE6XSA6IGZpbGUgPSBvcGVuKCBzeXMu YXJndlsxXSwgJ3InICkNCiAgICBlbHNlOiAgZmlsZSA9IHN5cy5zdGRpbiAN CiAgICBpZiBzeXMuYXJndlsyOl0gOiBvdXQgPSBvcGVuKCBzeXMuYXJndlsy XSwgJ3cnICkNCiAgICBlbHNlOiAgb3V0ID0gc3lzLnN0ZG91dCANCiAgICBt aW1laWZ5KCBmaWxlLCAnLScqOCwgJy0nKjgrIi4uLi4uX25leHRfbWVzc2Fn ZV8uLi4uLiIsIG91dC53cml0ZSApDQoNCg0K ---2138107840-2078917053-778568888=:24683-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 23:39:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04789; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:39:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05698; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:36:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05692; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:36:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgoP1-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: MIME compose in pine ?? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <345s6t$poj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <345s6t$poj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> We are planning to support .mime.types in a future release of Pine. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Sep 1994, Andrew Daviel wrote: > OK, so now Pine uses .mailcap to read mail. But the compose is a bit of > a kludge. send.c in 3.90 pokes around in the file and decides if it's > a GIF, JPEG, audio/basic or PostScript file. There's also some checks > to see if it looks like a binary file (from some spreadsheet ??). > > How about using .mime.types like Mosaic to map file extensions to > application types? I can specify Mosaic as a viewer for HTML attachments > I receive, but I can't send any, unless there's some way of overriding > the type/subtype I haven't discovered. > > > -- >

> Andrew Daviel > , TRIUMF > , Vancouver, Canada >

"http://sundae.triumf.ca/~andrew/sig2t.gif"> >
advax@triumf.ca > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 2 23:40:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04826; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:40:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08622; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:36:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08616; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:36:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgoPD-00000YC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: =20 at end of lines Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34658g$sms@tequesta.gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34658g$sms@tequesta.gate.net> Pine 3.87 did have an overly sensitive trigger for Q-P encoding. Upgrading to Pine 3.90 should help... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Sep 1994, Allen Mullen wrote: > David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > > : Something in your message is triggering Quoted-Printable encoding. What > : version of Pine are you running? > > 3.87 > > Both the uploaded file incorporated into the message and the stuff I > type have the =20 at the end of every line except paragraph breaks. I > don't see it myself, only the people receiving my Email see it. > Everything looks fine to me when I send the Email. > Allen > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 00:29:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05713; Sat, 3 Sep 94 00:29:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06230; Sat, 3 Sep 94 00:17:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06224; Sat, 3 Sep 94 00:17:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgp3Y-00000PC; Fri, 2 Sep 94 23:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 - Wow! Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You can set a single default sort order for all folders by setting the "sort-key". We will probably implement the left-right keys when we work on hierarchical folder collections later this year... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, Scott Drassinower wrote: > > I just grabbed Pine 3.90 and compiled it here. It's fabulous. > The newsreader is really great, and the Setup module is wonderful. But... > > How can I set a default sort preference for both my mail folder > (say, newer messages at the top, like in elm), and then a preference for > my news folder (sorted by subject)? I can change it everytime I go in, > but am not sure how to make this permanent. > > Also, will anything ever be done with the arrow keys? When > viewing a message, it would really be nice to hit the left arrow and get > to the index, or hit the down arrow at the end of a message and get the > next message. Just something to make life easier. > > -- > Scott Drassinower * scottd@cloud9.net > Cloud 9 Internet * White Plains, New York > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 01:06:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06996; Sat, 3 Sep 94 01:06:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09819; Sat, 3 Sep 94 01:02:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09813; Sat, 3 Sep 94 01:02:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgpk6-00000PC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 00:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: auto uudecode? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 10:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine won't do it automatically, but you can use the Pipe (|) command to pass a message through uudecode... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 2 Sep 1994, King Cheung Shu wrote: > Will pine automatically uudecode one or a series of uuencoded file(s)? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 04:54:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12007; Sat, 3 Sep 94 04:54:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09811; Sat, 3 Sep 94 04:50:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09805; Sat, 3 Sep 94 04:50:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgtJZ-00000YC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 04:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holee@newstand.syr.edu (Vorpal Bunny(Bored)) Subject: Posting to Newsgroups? Date: 2 Sep 1994 22:36:50 GMT Message-Id: <3489e2$k23@newstand.syr.edu> This has probably been asked before...but.. I'm using PINE v3.89, and I was wondering if there was I way could post to a newsgroup. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ \\ \\ |(C) This Post/Letter is Copyrighted 1994, And it's MINE!MINE! | \\-\\ |Now I'm Going Back to Bed... *Keeper of the Forbush Man Flame*| ( X-X) YAWN \--------------------------------------------------------------/ {_^_} _/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 05:24:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12653; Sat, 3 Sep 94 05:24:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13103; Sat, 3 Sep 94 05:20:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13097; Sat, 3 Sep 94 05:20:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgtj3-00000YC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 04:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: n9348795@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Blain Nelson) Subject: Re: auto uudecode? Message-Id: References: Date: 2 Sep 94 22:55:06 GMT King Cheung Shu writes: >Will pine automatically uudecode one or a series of uuencoded file(s)? You can set Pine up to do this from the Setup screen. Select alternate printer and enter uudecode as the printer. Then, when you wish to uudecode the z>yæfile, just select it and hit y for printer, y again to say that you really meant y in the first place, and d to delete the message (unless you really don't want to). That's as close as I've found thus far. Blain (BTW< the credit for this little discovery goes to Richard Finegold, who is a great programmer and a fine person.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 11:03:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18294; Sat, 3 Sep 94 11:03:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16948; Sat, 3 Sep 94 10:55:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16942; Sat, 3 Sep 94 10:55:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgz1Q-00000PC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 10:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Farid Hamjavar Subject: Re: Deletes appear slower in 3.90? Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 11:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: References: <9408300952.AA07771@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9408300952.AA07771@LL.MIT.EDU> I have also experienced this. Farid Hamjavar UNM-CIRT hamjavar@unm.edu On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 13:52:42 GMT > From: James Dryfoos > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Deletes appear slower in 3.90? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 12:07:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20138; Sat, 3 Sep 94 12:07:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14744; Sat, 3 Sep 94 11:59:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14732; Sat, 3 Sep 94 11:59:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qgzzl-00000PC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 11:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Farid Hamjavar Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 12:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: References: <3432q7$5u3@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: David L Miller > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news > > > Use > pine -f "*{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" FYI: That command did not lead in an open folder related to "comp.mail.pine" !!! Pine actually did open it but I could not *see* it. Therefor, I used 'g' and gave the following address and then it opened it up: *{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine So, what's the point of that command line if you have to retype the newsgroup-folder name? At any rate, it's fine by me.... Thanks, Farid Hamjavar hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 13:31:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21871; Sat, 3 Sep 94 13:31:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18780; Sat, 3 Sep 94 13:23:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18774; Sat, 3 Sep 94 13:23:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qh1Mt-00000YC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 13:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and VMS -- No VMSBUILD.COM in ].PINE( directory Message-Id: <1994Sep3.214310.5077@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 3 Sep 94 21:43:10 GMT References: <345cnf$gvt@dragon.nofc.forestry.ca> > I just downloaded Pine 3.90 and tried to build it on VMS. I had no > problems in the Ý.PICO¨ and Ý.C-CLIENT¨ directories, but in the Ý.PINE¨ > directory, there is no VMSBUILD.COM file. Has anybody tried to build Pine > on VMS, and if so, could you pass along your .COM file to me? The PINE directory was not ported to VMS yet. I am working on it and will announce the availability on this list when I am done. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 14:36:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22920; Sat, 3 Sep 94 14:36:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16510; Sat, 3 Sep 94 14:29:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16504; Sat, 3 Sep 94 14:29:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qh2MC-00000PC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 14:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ajwright@use.usit.net (John Wright) Subject: Pine for Vax/VMS Date: 3 Sep 1994 16:51:54 -0400 Message-Id: <34anla$n7s@use.usit.net> Due to the broken (as designed) mail reader the comes with the Vax, I was wondering if there were binaries anywhere on the `net for the Vax. My school has a Vax 8650, a Vax 11/780, MicroVax 3100. Please reply by email to ajwright@use.usit.net. Thanks! -- --AJW A. John Wright -- Computron Management Engineer ajwright@use.usit.net ajwright@pstcc.cc.tn.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 17:11:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25741; Sat, 3 Sep 94 17:11:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21318; Sat, 3 Sep 94 17:03:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21310; Sat, 3 Sep 94 17:03:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qh4oO-00000PC; Sat, 3 Sep 94 16:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) Subject: Re: Any way to get just-send-8-bit with Pine? Date: 3 Sep 1994 23:47:18 GMT Message-Id: <34b1u6$gmn@trane.uninett.no> References: <341h37$s77@serifos.Helsinki.FI> <9408311337.AA09319@nada.kth.se> Peter Svanberg (psv@nada.kth.se) wrote: : Quoting: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) : > : > So, is there a simple way to switch QP off and get standard : > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit : > messages? Or do I have to hack into the code to get this? : No and yes... We have almost the same problem, and I am : working on a patch for it. : --- : Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se : Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 : S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 This problem is probably common to most European sites using Pine. Pine 3.90 is indeed a wonderful mail-program, and in fact the only feature we are missing is the ability to switch quoted-printable on/off. At least in the Nordic countries many sites are using MTAs that are capable of handling 8bit coded mail. Turning QP off will then be quite safe. I hope the Pine development team will consider this as a future enhancement. Meanwhile, I hope Peter Svanberg will share his patch with us, giving notification to this newsgroup. - Jan Erik. *** Jan Erik Kofoed Phone (office): +47 73 90 44 20 *** *** Geological Survey of Norway Fax (office): +47 73 92 16 20 *** *** P.O. Box 3006 Lade Phone (home) : +47 72 58 30 04 *** *** N-7002 Trondheim, NORWAY *** *** E-mail: Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no X.400: G=Jan;S=Kofoed;O=ngu;P=UNINETT;C=no *** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 21:06:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29142; Sat, 3 Sep 94 21:06:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20891; Sat, 3 Sep 94 20:56:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20885; Sat, 3 Sep 94 20:56:42 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Sep 94 11:54:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 11:54:16 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Vorpal Bunny Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Posting to Newsgroups? In-Reply-To: <3489e2$k23@newstand.syr.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Sep 1994, Vorpal Bunny wrote: > I'm using PINE v3.89, and I was wondering if there was I > way could post to a newsgroup. Any help would be > greatly appreciated.. No, posting was not part of 3.89. You'll have to upgrade to 3.90 for that feature. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 21:25:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29501; Sat, 3 Sep 94 21:25:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21124; Sat, 3 Sep 94 21:14:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21118; Sat, 3 Sep 94 21:14:22 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:11:49 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 12:11:48 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Farid Hamjavar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Sep 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > > Use > > pine -f "*{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" > > > > FYI: > > That command did not lead in an open folder related to > "comp.mail.pine" !!! Pine actually did open it but I could > not *see* it. > > > Therefor, I used 'g' and gave the following address and > then it opened it up: > *{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine > > So, what's the point of that command line > if you have to retype the newsgroup-folder name? FYI.... It *works* as advertised for me. You did type: pine -f "*{foo.bar.com/nntp}comp.mail.pine" and not literally pine -f "*{newserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" ??? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 3 23:57:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01816; Sat, 3 Sep 94 23:57:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25709; Sat, 3 Sep 94 23:49:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@SIVM.SI.EDU:stoneji@scan.si.edu> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25703; Sat, 3 Sep 94 23:49:54 -0700 Received: from scan.si.edu by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 04 Sep 94 02:48:53 EDT Received: by scan.si.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA03766; Sun, 4 Sep 94 02:45:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 02:45:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Stone To: Pine-Info List Subject: user-domain Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have discovered that (on this system, at least) if the "user-domain" is set to my system's host name in pine.conf, pine.conf.fixed, or .pinerc, PINE does not assign the correct domain name to local addresses that are not in the address books. If "user-domain" is not set, everything is fine, though. My user-domain was set in pine.conf.fixed to "scan.si.edu" (the system's full name). When I addressed mail to the account "test", which is not in any of my address books, but is an account on the system, the composer translated it as "test.si.edu". (I also tried using "si.edu" as the domain name, and got the exact same result.) The mail bounced. Setting "user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch" solved this problem. Unsetting user-domain did as well. I'm glad that the solution was so simple, but I don't understand why PINE behaved as it did when the user-domain variable had been set to what should be the correct value. This should not constitute a "domain mismatch", should it? Or am I missing something? It seems to me that this anomaly could cause problems on many systems. If the user-domain variable should be left blank in a plain-vanilla setup like mine, shouldn't this be made clear in the help text? I'm running PINE 3.90 under DYNIX/ptx 1.3.1 and ptx/TCP/IP 2.2.4. (The PINE distribution doesn't include the complete port for PTX 1.x, but it's not especially difficult to fix.) jim -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- "as long as the music's loud enough, ::::: Jim Stone we won't hear the world falling apart." ::::: Smithsonian Institution -derek jarman, "jubilee" ::::: stoneji@scan.si.edu -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 02:52:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05358; Sun, 4 Sep 94 02:52:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24900; Sun, 4 Sep 94 02:47:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24894; Sun, 4 Sep 94 02:47:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhDpP-00000QC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 02:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chale@teleport.com (Chris Hale) Subject: PGP and Pine Date: 4 Sep 1994 02:22:54 -0700 Message-Id: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> Does anyone here have any scripts to simplify using PGP with pine. (pine 3.9 on sun os ver 4) All of the scripts I've found so far, work only with elm and emacs. If someone knows how to redirect the sent messages to an alternate mailer, (other than sendmail) that would work also. Thanks in advance. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ chale@teleport.com | "The light at the end of the tunnel -- pgp 2.6 public key available --| is the headlamp of an oncoming train" -- by finger --| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 06:29:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09584; Sun, 4 Sep 94 06:29:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00385; Sun, 4 Sep 94 06:19:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eng.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00379; Sun, 4 Sep 94 06:19:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 09:18:43 -400 (EDT) From: "Steven E. Frazier" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: File attachments - tiff Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible to attach a tiff file like a fax and then be able to view it via pine? thanks in advance. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 09:13:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12408; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:13:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02230; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:07:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02218; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:07:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhJox-00000QC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 08:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: pine user-domain setting Date: 4 Sep 1994 15:48:58 GMT Message-Id: <34cq9a$pkq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: In a previous article, boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) says: >I am running a DEC 3000-600 with OSF/1 v. 2.0. I have installed PINE >3.90 and really like it. However, I ran into an interesting situation in >using the user-domain setting in the .pinerc or pine.conf files. When I >set the user-domain to my full address coopext.cahe.wsu.edu, in either >file, pine would strip off the hostname when I sent to a local id on the >system. For example, if I sent it to me, > >TO: boyerj > >it would add the address > >boyerj@cahe.wsu.edu > >When user-domain was not set in both the .pinerc and pine.conf files the >correct address would appear > >boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu > >Am I reading the purpose of user-domain wrong? I thought it would use >the user-domain on local addresses? I also noticed the same problem (as I am sure several others have). The trick is to set "use-only-domain-name" to be "Yes", and then set "user-domain" to be "hostname-domain" (eg. coopext.cahe.wsu.edu). This seems to work for me. Later, Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar tel: (216) 368-3300 Department of Biochemistry fax: (216) 368-4544 CWRU School of Medicine ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 09:48:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12936; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:48:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29698; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:42:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29689; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:42:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhKK2-00000PC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 09:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rafi@tavor.openu.ac.il (Rafi Sadowsky) Subject: Re: Incompatibility with 3.89 Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 15:27:35 GMT Ran Ever-Hadani (raan@netcom.com) wrote: : The pine patch for hebrew e-mail (known also as pineh) is still in : 3.89, and hence I find myself using two versions of pine: 3.90 for : non-Hebrew, and (a patch of) 3.89 for composing Hebrew messages. try using the pico from pine 3.89heb as your alternate header (I call it "hpico") this works for me # Editor to use in place of Pine's internal composer, Pico editor=hpico -h -t then just press ¬_ (CTRL-_) in the message body to compose a hebrew message Rafi -- Rafi Sadowsky rafi@tavor.openu.ac.il Ýpostmaster@openu.ac.il¨ FAX: +972-3-6460483 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 10:28:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13546; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:28:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03011; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:22:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03005; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:22:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhKxB-00000QC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myhsu@db39.ee.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) Subject: Re: Any way to get just-send-8-bit with Pine? Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 15:38:55 GMT References: <341h37$s77@serifos.Helsinki.FI> <9408311337.AA09319@nada.kth.se> <34b1u6$gmn@trane.uninett.no> >From: jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) >Peter Svanberg (psv@nada.kth.se) wrote: >: Quoting: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) >: > >: > So, is there a simple way to switch QP off and get standard >: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >: > messages? Or do I have to hack into the code to get this? >: No and yes... We have almost the same problem, and I am >: working on a patch for it. >: --- >: Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se >: Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 >: S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 >This problem is probably common to most European sites using Pine. >Pine 3.90 is indeed a wonderful mail-program, and in fact the only feature >we are missing is the ability to switch quoted-printable on/off. At least >in the Nordic countries many sites are using MTAs that are capable of >handling 8bit coded mail. Turning QP off will then be quite safe. >I hope the Pine development team will consider this as a future >enhancement. Me too. We have QP problem too here in Taiwan with Chinese using BIG5. I have to modify the source code by myself to disable the qp-filter, otherwise the recipients who have no Pine could not see my chinese mail but a lot of "strange" codes instead. >Meanwhile, I hope Peter Svanberg will share his patch with us, giving >notification to this newsgroup. I have modified the source code to disable the qp-filter with a little change and worked fine for me. At line 3804 of file send.c under the pine directory, comment out the filter: /* gf_link_filter(gf_8bit_qp); */ and at line 3860 of the same file above, replace the "ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE" with "ENC8BIT". I have no any side effect so far. If there was, please let me know. _____ _____ _____ ____ _____ | \| _ \ Ming-Yen Hsu, Database Lab. NCU Taiwan ROC | \/ \| | | | | | _ < Computer Science & Information Engineering | | | <--<| | | |_____/|_____/ Electronic Mail : myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw |__|__/\____/\_____| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 10:49:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13877; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:49:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00430; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:42:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00424; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:42:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhLFu-00000aC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 10:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: File attachments - tiff Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have never done so personally, but it should work, assuming you have your .mailcap configured properly (Pine 3.90 or higher). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > > > Is it possible to attach a tiff file like a fax and then be able to view > it via pine? > > thanks in advance. > > Steve > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 12:10:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15134; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:10:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04159; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:02:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04153; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:02:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhMWE-00000ZC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 11:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: perlman@sci-ed.fit.edu (Marshal Perlman [ARCS]) Subject: NO PINE < FILE Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 18:01:58 GMT Any reason pine doesn't let us REDIRECT yet? -- Marshal Perlman Internet/MIME: perlman@fit.edu Academic and Research Computing Services IRC: Squawk Florida Institute of Technology FAA: Commercial/Instrument/ASEL/AMEL Melbourne, Florida 32901-6988 Member: AOPA/AAAE/Goodyear Blimp Club Pager: 407/455-4809 URL: http://sci-ed.fit.edu/~perlman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Every year over 5 zillion bicycles are stolen... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 12:49:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15778; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:49:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01707; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:45:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01701; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:45:17 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16593; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:45:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 12:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: perlman@sci-ed.fit.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: NO PINE < FILE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Sep 1994 perlman@sci-ed.fit.edu wrote: > Any reason pine doesn't let us REDIRECT yet? Sure... It's because there are "over 5 zillion" things on the Pine todo list, and that one hasn't quite bubbled to the top yet... -teg > Marshal Perlman Internet/MIME: perlman@fit.edu > Academic and Research Computing Services IRC: Squawk > Florida Institute of Technology FAA: Commercial/Instrument/ASEL/AMEL > Melbourne, Florida 32901-6988 Member: AOPA/AAAE/Goodyear Blimp Club > Pager: 407/455-4809 URL: http://sci-ed.fit.edu/~perlman > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Every year over 5 zillion bicycles are stolen... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 12:51:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15836; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:51:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01729; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:46:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gaia.sci-ed.fit.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01723; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:46:48 -0700 Received: by sci-ed.fit.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0/900117wah) id AA22002; Sun, 4 Sep 94 15:50:40 EDT Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 15:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Marshal Perlman To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: NO PINE < FILE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Sure... It's because there are "over 5 zillion" things on the Pine todo > list, and that one hasn't quite bubbled to the top yet... Well, I got what I wanted, a good answer. Thanks. ======= Marshal Perlman Internet/MIME: perlman@fit.edu Academic and Research Computing Services IRC: Squawk Florida Institute of Technology FAA: Commercial/Instrument/ASEL/AMEL Melbourne, Florida 32901-6988 Member: AOPA/AAAE/Goodyear Blimp Club Pager: 407/455-4809 URL: http://sci-ed.fit.edu/~perlman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Every year over 5 zillion bicycles are stolen... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 12:55:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15903; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:55:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01760; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:49:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01754; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:49:34 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16663; Sun, 4 Sep 94 12:49:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 12:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Ashok Aiyar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine user-domain setting In-Reply-To: <34cq9a$pkq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Even though I can't reproduce it on our system, it sounds like you guys have found a bug in 3.90... It should not be necessary to set "use-only-domain-name" if you have already set "user-domain". We'll look into it further... -teg On 4 Sep 1994, Ashok Aiyar wrote: > > In a previous article, boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) says: > > >I am running a DEC 3000-600 with OSF/1 v. 2.0. I have installed PINE > >3.90 and really like it. However, I ran into an interesting situation in > >using the user-domain setting in the .pinerc or pine.conf files. When I > >set the user-domain to my full address coopext.cahe.wsu.edu, in either > >file, pine would strip off the hostname when I sent to a local id on the > >system. For example, if I sent it to me, > > > >TO: boyerj > > > >it would add the address > > > >boyerj@cahe.wsu.edu > > > >When user-domain was not set in both the .pinerc and pine.conf files the > >correct address would appear > > > >boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu > > > >Am I reading the purpose of user-domain wrong? I thought it would use > >the user-domain on local addresses? > > I also noticed the same problem (as I am sure several others have). The > trick is to set "use-only-domain-name" to be "Yes", and then set > "user-domain" to be "hostname-domain" (eg. coopext.cahe.wsu.edu). > > This seems to work for me. > > Later, > Ashok > -- > Ashok Aiyar tel: (216) 368-3300 > Department of Biochemistry fax: (216) 368-4544 > CWRU School of Medicine ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 14:33:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17424; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:33:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02813; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:28:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02807; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:27:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhOmu-00000ZC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: readonly folder ? Date: 4 Sep 1994 18:02:02 -0300 Message-Id: What makes pine think a folder is readonly ? I've got a pile of messages to copy from one machine to another (from vms actually), i will move the files are root into a person's mail directory then change ownership and protections. But during testing, the files i've moved show up by the user as readonly folders. The data itself looks ok, the conversion program says that it conforms to the appropriate rfc and in fact it looks pretty good. I can't see anything that would cause the file to be readonly. The protections are set ok, and the user can delete the folder file, even berkley mail will delete the folder with no problem. i'm using pine 3.90 on aix 3.2.5 please mail directly as i don't often read this group. -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 14:47:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17681; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:47:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05951; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:38:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05945; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:37:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhOua-00000aC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ohr@actcom.co.il (Moshe Newman) Subject: Re: PC Pine Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 20:58:06 GMT Message-Id: References: <33qi19$g8k@hollywood.cinenet.net> Can somebody recommend a good DOS or Windows application that will do offline support? Anything available thru ftp? Thanks David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: :> Offline support is planned for a future release, but it is not yet :> available... :> |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 :> |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) :> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 :> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA :> On 28 Aug 1994, Don Long wrote: :> > I get to Internet through a server that has Pine (along with Pico) I find :> > it excellent. However, I can only use it while on-line to my server. It's :> > a free phone call, and a flat rate, but it does tie up the phone. Can I :> > load Pine on m,y PC at home and do all my reading and composing off-line? :> > :> > -- :> > Don Long AKA Red Bear redbear@cinenet.net :> > UCLA staff sans privileges Compuserve 74203,2601 :> > :> > "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; :> > the point is to change it" :> > Karl Marx :> > :> > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 14:59:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17865; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:59:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06086; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:50:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from fornax.unm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06080; Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:50:03 -0700 Received: by fornax.unm.edu (5.65/ha ha) id AA29922; Sun, 4 Sep 94 15:49:52 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 15:49:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Farid Hamjavar To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 12:11:48 -0800 (GMT) > From: Ed Greshko > To: Farid Hamjavar > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news > > On Sat, 3 Sep 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > > > > Use > > > pine -f "*{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" > > > > > > > > FYI: > > > > That command did not lead in an open folder related to > > "comp.mail.pine" !!! Pine actually did open it but I could > > not *see* it. > > > > > > Therefor, I used 'g' and gave the following address and > > then it opened it up: > > *{newsserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine > > > > So, what's the point of that command line > > if you have to retype the newsgroup-folder name? > > FYI.... > > It *works* as advertised for me. > > You did type: > > pine -f "*{foo.bar.com/nntp}comp.mail.pine" > > and not literally > > pine -f "*{newserver/nntp}comp.mail.pine" ??? --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for reply... I typed: pine -f "*{news.unm.edu/nntp}comp.mail.pine" Then I saw: Opening "*{news.unm.edu/nntp}comp.mail.pine".. Then I saw this menu: PINE 3.90 MAIN MENU Folder: news.unm.edu/nntp}comp.mail.pine 18 Messages ? HELP - Get help using Pine C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send/post a message I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder OR news group to view A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book S SETUP - Configure or update Pine Q QUIT - Exit the Pine program Copyright 1989-1994. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. [News group "*{news.unm.edu/nntp}comp.mail.pine" opened with 18 messages] ? Help P PrevCmd R RelNotes O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock But what would one do from here? The "L" line is high-lighted and when selected, it'll just open up the INBOX. Farid hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 16:41:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19516; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:41:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04216; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:35:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04210; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:35:21 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:32:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 07:32:51 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Farid Hamjavar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and reading news In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Farid Hamjavar wrote: > Then I saw this menu: > > PINE 3.90 MAIN MENU Folder: news.unm.edu/nntp}comp.mail.pine 18 Messages > > > ? HELP - Get help using Pine > > C COMPOSE MESSAGE - Compose and send/post a message > > I FOLDER INDEX - View messages in current folder > > L FOLDER LIST - Select a folder OR news group to view > > A ADDRESS BOOK - Update address book > > S SETUP - Configure or update Pine > > Q QUIT - Exit the Pine program > > > > But what would one do from here? Type "i". This will bring you to the "Index" and you can " View messages in current folder". As an alternative you could include the -i switch in your command line and it would bring you directly to the index. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 16:43:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19564; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:43:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04260; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:38:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04254; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:38:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhQqe-00000ZC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 16:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: evs1@cornell.edu (Erik Schwiebert) Subject: Re: Specifying INBOX dynamically in PCPINE Date: Sun, 04 Sep 1994 19:19:31 -0400 Message-Id: References: In article , riki@Hawaii.Edu (Riki Kurihara) wrote: > Is there a way that I can specify the INBOX in PC-PINE dynamically? For > instance, I'd like to keep a bunch of PC's in the open lab where students can > go and access their e-mail through PC-Pine and a IMAP server. Since we keep > new mail in $HOME/Inbox is it possible for me to do... > > inbox-path={mailserver}$HOME/Inbox > > so that each individual won't have to manually specify the inbox path? I've > looked through the docs but it's very limited for the PC-NFS version. if this IS possible, is it also possible to do it with a POP3 server? my roommate is running Linux on his pc and wants to use Pine to read mail that comes into hsi account on Cornell's popmail server... thanx, erik -- Erik Schwiebert Mail: evs1@cornell.edu General Net Addict Finger: erik@schwieb.resnet.cornell.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 17:58:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20828; Sun, 4 Sep 94 17:58:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08204; Sun, 4 Sep 94 17:53:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08196; Sun, 4 Sep 94 17:53:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhRye-00000ZC; Sun, 4 Sep 94 17:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tannerc@cu18.crl.aecl.ca (Chris Tanner) Subject: Compiling pine 3.90 on SGI (IRIS vs 5.1) Message-Id: <1994Sep5.002758.19487@cu23.crl.aecl.ca> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 00:27:58 GMT Hi I am trying to compile pine vs 3.9 on an SGI system (Iris vs 5.1) with little success. I tried both build sgi and build sv4. Has anybody done this, and if so, what is needed? Thanks Chris -- Chris Tanner Email: tannerc@CU18.CRL.AECL.CA AECL Research Phone: (613) 584-3311 X4053 Chalk River, Ont. FAX: (613) 584-1082 Canada, K0J 1J0 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 18:39:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21603; Sun, 4 Sep 94 18:39:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08708; Sun, 4 Sep 94 18:33:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08702; Sun, 4 Sep 94 18:33:35 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22579; Sun, 4 Sep 94 18:33:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 18:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Riki Kurihara , Erik Schwiebert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Specifying INBOX dynamically in PCPINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Erik Schwiebert wrote: > In article , riki@Hawaii.Edu (Riki Kurihara) wrote: > > > Is there a way that I can specify the INBOX in PC-PINE dynamically? For > > instance, I'd like to keep a bunch of PC's in the open lab where students can > > go and access their e-mail through PC-Pine and a IMAP server. Since we keep > > new mail in $HOME/Inbox is it possible for me to do... > > > > inbox-path={mailserver}$HOME/Inbox > > > > so that each individual won't have to manually specify the inbox path? I've > > looked through the docs but it's very limited for the PC-NFS version. Riki, It depends on the IMAP server, but try the following: inbox-path={mailserver}~/Inbox > if this IS possible, is it also possible to do it with a POP3 server? my > roommate is running Linux on his pc and wants to use Pine to read mail > that comes into hsi account on Cornell's popmail server... Erik, Pine does not yet directly support the "offline" mail processing model (using either POP or IMAP), however, there is software available for Unix that can make any mailer a POP client. See the message below. -teg -------------------------- Date: 30 Aug 94 12:21:57 From: Tim Norman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.help, comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: Pop mail prog In article <33uuhn$be@clarknet.clark.net> jamesnor@clark.net (James Norton) writes: Rob Kooper (afsta014@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL) wrote: : Hi, : Does anybody out there know of a good pop mail reader under Linux, : or any other brand of Unix as long as it is share/free ware. There is currently a program called popclient in the sunsite.unc.edu/pub/ Linux/Incoming directory. It is not a mail reader. It retrieves the mail using POP2 or POP3. You can then use pine or elm to read the mail. Well, at least it's not there now. Try sunsite.unc.edu//pub/Linux/system/ Network/sunacm/Other/popclient/pop3-miniclient.tar.gz Phew! Long name :-) Tim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 20:22:02 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23159; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:22:02 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09856; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:11:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09850; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:11:57 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA155574929; Sun, 4 Sep 1994 22:15:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 22:15:29 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Subject: pine 3.90 on Hpux 9.0 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine 3.90, after displaying a full screen of the index of the current inbox folder, the vt100 terminal display beeps, and displays in quick succession "Command "^S" is not defined here", and then "Command "^Q" is not defined here". This occurs on practically all screen rewrites, at least from the index display of the inbox. In fact in the setup, configuration section things become unmanageable because of the frequency of undefined keystrokes being received...though these keystrokes are not originating on my keyboard. Dan PS I am running a terminal session at 2400 bd to an HPUX 9.0 mail server using Procomm's vt100 terminal. -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 21:04:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23865; Sun, 4 Sep 94 21:04:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07164; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:57:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07158; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:57:49 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25005; Sun, 4 Sep 94 20:57:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 20:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Dan Mandell Cc: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Subject: Re: XON-XOFF handling (was: pine 3.90 on Hpux 9.0) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dan, Here's the scoop: We got tired of getting bug reports of the form "Pine just froze up", so we changed 3.90 so that it would trap XOFF/XON characters, rather than having XOFF silently cause everything stop working. Unfortunately, on systems that rely on software flow-control, this results in the symptoms you described. In the upcoming 3.91 maintenance release this will be a configuration option. Until then, Mike S. advises that deleting the two lines _raw_tchars.t_startc = -1; /* Turn off ^S/^Q */ _raw_tchars.t_stopc = -1; from around line 244 in pine/ttyin.c will make Pine 3.90 behave like previous versions. -teg p.s. we believe that this change also accounts for *some* of the problems folks have reported with printing in 3.90 --however, PC comm server software limitations and printer mis-configuration problems still account for most Pine printing problems. On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > Pine 3.90, after displaying a full screen of the index of the current > inbox folder, the vt100 terminal display beeps, and displays in quick > succession "Command "^S" is not defined here", and then "Command "^Q" is > not defined here". This occurs on practically all screen rewrites, at > least from the index display of the inbox. In fact in the setup, > configuration section things become unmanageable because of the frequency > of undefined keystrokes being received...though these keystrokes are not > originating on my keyboard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 4 22:41:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25593; Sun, 4 Sep 94 22:41:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11511; Sun, 4 Sep 94 22:36:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@SIVM.SI.EDU:stoneji@scan.si.edu> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11505; Sun, 4 Sep 94 22:36:10 -0700 Received: from scan.si.edu by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 05 Sep 94 01:35:09 EDT Received: by scan.si.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA08756; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:31:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 01:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Stone To: Pine-Info List Subject: PINE 3.91 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Already working on a maintenance release for PINE 3.9x? Now that's what I call SERVICE! Any idea when it might come out and what's scheduled for inclusion (other than the XON/XOFF fix)? Any chance that the user-domain issues will be cleared up? jim -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- "as long as the music's loud enough, ::::: Jim Stone we won't hear the world falling apart." ::::: Smithsonian Institution -derek jarman, "jubilee" ::::: stoneji@scan.si.edu -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 00:29:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27212; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:29:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09452; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:23:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09446; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:23:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhY6k-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen) Subject: Re: Any way to get just-send-8-bit with Pine? Date: 5 Sep 1994 07:03:56 GMT Message-Id: <34efss$ssj@due.uninett.no> References: <341h37$s77@serifos.Helsinki.FI> <9408311337.AA09319@nada.kth.se> <34b1u6$gmn@trane.uninett.no> In article , myhsu@db39.ee.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) writes: >>From: jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) >>Peter Svanberg (psv@nada.kth.se) wrote: >>: Quoting: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) >>: > >>: > So, is there a simple way to switch QP off and get standard >>: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>: > messages? Or do I have to hack into the code to get this? > >>: No and yes... We have almost the same problem, and I am >>: working on a patch for it. >>: --- >>: Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se >>: Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 >>: S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 > >>This problem is probably common to most European sites using Pine. >>Pine 3.90 is indeed a wonderful mail-program, and in fact the only feature >>we are missing is the ability to switch quoted-printable on/off. At least >>in the Nordic countries many sites are using MTAs that are capable of >>handling 8bit coded mail. Turning QP off will then be quite safe. > >>I hope the Pine development team will consider this as a future >>enhancement. > >Me too. We have QP problem too here in Taiwan with Chinese using BIG5. I >have to modify the source code by myself to disable the qp-filter, otherwise >the recipients who have no Pine could not see my chinese mail but a lot of >"strange" codes instead. > >>Meanwhile, I hope Peter Svanberg will share his patch with us, giving >>notification to this newsgroup. > >I have modified the source code to disable the qp-filter with a little change >and worked fine for me. > >At line 3804 of file send.c under the pine directory, comment out the filter: > /* gf_link_filter(gf_8bit_qp); */ >and at line 3860 of the same file above, replace the "ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE" with >"ENC8BIT". > >I have no any side effect so far. If there was, please let me know. > _____ _____ _____ ____ _____ >| \| _ \ Ming-Yen Hsu, Database Lab. NCU Taiwan ROC | \/ \| | | >| | | _ < Computer Science & Information Engineering | | | <--<| | | >|_____/|_____/ Electronic Mail : myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw |__|__/\____/\_____| > This was nice! It works fine here, but there is yet another irritating (mis)feature: If the first few characters in a document are 8bit, then the whole document is encoded as BASE64, which is even less readable than qp :-( Any fixes? -psi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 01:25:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28685; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:25:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10237; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:19:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10231; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:19:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhYv3-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to alter header with ! pine 3.07 Date: 3 Sep 1994 00:30:51 -0400 Message-Id: <348u5r$i2t$1@garnet.msen.com> References: <343cqt$47mf@lamar.ColoState.EDU> In article , David L Miller wrote: :Actually, configurable headers were added in Pine 3.90... Why is it that the "From:" line can't be tweaked with 3.90, at least not with the 3.90 binaries on ftp.cac.washington.edu (I could hack the source, certainly)? I'd think that anyone who consciously added a "From:" line to customize-hdrs in their .pinerc would probably have a good reason, and it's not like people couldn't corrupt their headers easily enough by munging user-domain. Pine isn't like some of the obnoxious Mac and PC software "out there" which provides a "From:" line just to cause confusion. ...Mike -- Mike O'Connor, mjo@msen.com http://www.msen.com/~mjo/ "The part I think I'd like best is crushing people who get in my way." -Calvin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 01:26:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28708; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:26:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13506; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:18:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13499; Mon, 5 Sep 94 01:18:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhYuz-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 00:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wu2@crash.cts.com (David DiGioia) Subject: pine 3.0 performance Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 06:26:34 GMT Message-Id: I really like the new features, but am I the only one who finds the performance noticeably slower thant 3.89? The "interactive response" is what is bugging me. My config. is SparcStations 1, monochrome screen, 16MB RAM. Thanks in advance for any performance tuning hints. ...David .. David Di Gioia | wu2@cts.com .. Stout were the words he spoke to his men: .. 'Heart must be braver, courage the bolder, .. Mood the stouter as our strength grows less!' .. Byrhtwold, in "The Battle of Maldon" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 02:31:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29993; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:31:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14259; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:26:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14253; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:26:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qha2R-00000jC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: robbee@crl.com (Rob Bidleman) Subject: .sig, .sig, .sig Date: 5 Sep 1994 02:00:07 -0700 Message-Id: <34emmn$1dt@crl3.crl.com> I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my .sig to get added at the END of my replies. Rob ps it works in tin but not in regular mail. -- ---------------------------------------------------===robbee@crl.com===---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 03:03:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00699; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:03:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14637; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:57:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14631; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:57:22 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:54:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 17:54:51 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Rob Bidleman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig In-Reply-To: <34emmn$1dt@crl3.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Sep 1994, Rob Bidleman wrote: Well....it works for me. (as you can see...) In the feature list...are you "sure" you have: [X] signature-at-bottom Ed > I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my > .sig to get added at the END of my replies. > > Rob > > ps it works in tin but not in regular mail. > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------===robbee@crl.com===---- > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 03:03:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00717; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:03:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11309; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:56:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11297; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:56:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhaXh-00000cC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc_s551@kingston.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Subject: Re: Has any one set up Pine with MMDF mailboxes Date: 5 Sep 1994 09:37:33 GMT Message-Id: <34eost$seo@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> References: <342drf$dir@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> <344k2f$o9a@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> I have pine 3.90 now but I would appreciate some help. I would like to make pine avaliable to my users, however we have mmdf style mail boxes here, and I don't want users saving mail in folders in mbox format, or any of the other formats pine can handle. Is it possible to configure pine to save mail in mmdf style format and no other ? I would be nice if it could read in any format but only save in mmdf style but if pine could only read mmdf style that would'nt be a problem. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 03:19:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01135; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:19:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14854; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:11:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14848; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:11:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhaiu-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 02:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roberto@ee.uwa.edu.au (Roberto Togneri) Subject: Append validity confusion Bug in PINE 3.90 Date: 5 Sep 1994 09:21:07 GMT Message-Id: <34enu3$nf@styx.uwa.edu.au> Bug report for PINE 3.90 System: DOS 5.0, PC-NFS 5.0, PC-NFS Pine 3.90 Symptom1: Pine crashes when attempting to save in "sentmail" (with outgoing mail) and "savemail" in \MAIL area with 'Append validity confusion' Bug report. The file "sentmail" is created (even though this should be "sentmail.mtx") but Pine crashes. If outgoing mail is not saved there is no problem (unless you attempt to save mail to "savemail"). Symptom2: Once "sentmail" is created Pine complains it can't save outgoing mail to folder "sentmail" because it exists. Symptom3: The "sentmail" folder is not listed when listing folders. Comment1: No such problem existed with PC-PINE 3.89. Neither does there seem to be any problems with the UNIX version of Pine 3.90. I'll test this is out a bit more thoroughly but maybe somebody knows of an obvious environment/configuration setting that must be made. Thanks, -- Dr. Roberto Togneri Phone: +61-9-380-2535 _--_|\ Centre for Intelligent Information Processing Systems / \ Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Engineering *_.--._/ The University of Western Australia Fax: +61-9-380-1101 v NEDLANDS WA 6009 Australia Email: roberto@ee.uwa.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 03:26:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01307; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:26:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11635; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:21:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11629; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:21:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhau3-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 03:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nerz@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de (Joachim Nerz) Subject: Re: PC Pine Date: 5 Sep 1994 09:55:02 GMT Message-Id: <34eptm$cq7@darum.uni-mannheim.de> References: <33qi19$g8k@hollywood.cinenet.net> I use Yarn, you can find it on any SimTel Mirror in the directory `offline` It does News and Mail offline. On your Unix Host you'll need uqwk, a little programm that collects your news and mail and will also post the Files that YARN generates. YARN and uqwk work with the SOUP format. See also the alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQ. bye Joachim Moshe Newman (ohr@actcom.co.il) wrote: : Can somebody recommend a good DOS or Windows application that will do : offline support? Anything available thru ftp? : Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 05:02:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03737; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:02:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16259; Mon, 5 Sep 94 04:54:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16253; Mon, 5 Sep 94 04:54:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhcHJ-00000bC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 04:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: iancu@iil.intel.com (Iancu Igal) Subject: SVR4/Unixware ports Date: 5 Sep 1994 11:27:00 GMT Message-Id: <34eva4INN15v5@ilx018.iil.intel.com> Hi, has anyone compiled Pine 3.90 for Unixware and/or NCR SVR4? I was able to compile for NCR, but cannot get "folder listing" correctly and Pine does not identify any of the folders in mail/[]. Thanks in advance, -- -- Igal Iancu IDC/CBS System Engineering Intel Israel (74), Ltd. POB 1659 Haifa 31015, Israel iancu@iil.intel.com Tel: 972-4-655869 Fax: 972-4-655999 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 05:29:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04252; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:29:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13248; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:24:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13242; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:24:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhckx-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: Can't access cac for update Message-Id: <34evkc$1q1@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Date: 5 Sep 1994 13:32:28 +0200 Hi, I tried to use the setup option on the main menu of my pine in order to upgrade my pine to version 3.90. For some reason, the response I get is a request for my login and password, which, expectedly, fail. What's wrong? Ran -- () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 06:05:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04861; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:05:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17047; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:59:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17041; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:59:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhdK7-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Robiette Subject: Re: Abort problem in Solaris version Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 13:38:46 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There were postings about this bug over the last few days [sorry I have lost the thread]. It has to do with the Solaris version, in which Pine signals an abort when quitting with certain combinations of options set. We had this problem but have solved it by a recompilation. Our local Solaris guru, Rob McMahon, tells me it is caused by code which rewrites string constants, a practice which used to be OK but is no longer recommended. The work-round was to set the -fwritable-strings option for the Gnu C compiler (gcc), which makes gcc revert to the "traditional" behaviour in this respect. While I'm here, I'd like to add my compliments to all the others the Pine team are getting for the tremendous job they have done with the new features in 3.90. Many thanks! Alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan G Robiette, Information Technology Office, Univ of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK Phone +44-1203-524459; Fax +44-1203-461606; Email Alan.Robiette@warwick.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 06:19:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05067; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:19:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13781; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:14:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13775; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:14:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhdWu-00000hC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 05:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pbarber@eskimo.com (Putnam Barber) Subject: Append/Overwrite confusion Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 12:49:14 GMT As comments are collected for Pine 3.91, please include this regret for the shift from 3.89's "file exists, append [y/n]" format to 3.90's admittedly more logical (but +much+ more dangerous) choice of A(ppend) or O(verwrite). At least, the O(verwrite) branch should require or optionally be configurable with a confirmation. Maybe it is confirgurable to require a confirmation. If so, +please+ let me know so I stop replacing yesterday's great stuff with today's trash :-(. Putnam Barber From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 06:39:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05371; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:39:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17429; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:34:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17423; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:34:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhdmU-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon) Subject: pine 3.90 and "magic cookies" terminals Date: 5 Sep 1994 14:08:11 +0100 Message-Id: <34f57r$9k2@sprocket.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone hacked up pine to use "magic cookie" terminals (i.e. terminals that use up a character position to change to/from highlight or underline mode) ? We have many such terminals round the University (mostly Televideo or Wyse, but some others too), and pine seems completely broken on them. Apologies if this is a "FAQ", it's the first time I've subscribed to this group. Cheers, Rob -- UUCP: ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!cudcv PHONE: +44 203 523037 INET: cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Rob McMahon, Computing Services, Warwick University, Coventry CV4 7AL, England From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 06:40:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05408; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:40:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13972; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:34:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13966; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:34:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhdqP-00000bC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myhsu@db39.ee.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) Subject: Re: Any way to get just-send-8-bit with Pine? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 12:43:25 GMT References: <341h37$s77@serifos.Helsinki.FI> <9408311337.AA09319@nada.kth.se> <34b1u6$gmn@trane.uninett.no> <34efss$ssj@due.uninett.no> >From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen) >>>From: jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) >>>Peter Svanberg (psv@nada.kth.se) wrote: >>>: Quoting: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) >>>: > >>>: > So, is there a simple way to switch QP off and get standard >>>: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>: > messages? Or do I have to hack into the code to get this? >> >>>: No and yes... We have almost the same problem, and I am >>>: working on a patch for it. >>>: --- >>>: Peter Svanberg, NADA, KTH Email: psv@nada.kth.se >>>: Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 >>>: S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 >> >>>This problem is probably common to most European sites using Pine. >>>Pine 3.90 is indeed a wonderful mail-program, and in fact the only feature >>>we are missing is the ability to switch quoted-printable on/off. At least >>>in the Nordic countries many sites are using MTAs that are capable of >>>handling 8bit coded mail. Turning QP off will then be quite safe. >> >>>I hope the Pine development team will consider this as a future >>>enhancement. >>>Meanwhile, I hope Peter Svanberg will share his patch with us, giving >>>notification to this newsgroup. >> >>I have modified the source code to disable the qp-filter with a little change >>and worked fine for me. >> >>At line 3804 of file send.c under the pine directory, comment out the filter: >> /* gf_link_filter(gf_8bit_qp); */ >>and at line 3860 of the same file above, replace the "ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE" with >>"ENC8BIT". >>I have no any side effect so far. If there was, please let me know. >This was nice! It works fine here, but there is yet another irritating >(mis)feature: If the first few characters in a document are 8bit, then the >whole document is encoded as BASE64, which is even less readable than qp :-( >Any fixes? >-psi Yes, I have also modified the send.c to disable ENC7BIT and ENCBINARY encoding in the body of mail and make sure the content-transfer-encoding is 8BIT. At line 3262 of file send.c, replace "new_encoding = ENC7BIT;" with "new_encoding = ENC8BIT;" At line 3288 of file send.c, replace "new_encoding = ENCBINARY;" with "new_encoding = ENC8BIT;" _____ _____ _____ ____ _____ | \| _ \ Ming-Yen Hsu, Database Lab. NCU Taiwan ROC | \/ \| | | | | | _ < Computer Science & Information Engineering | | | <--<| | | |_____/|_____/ Electronic Mail : myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw |__|__/\____/\_____| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 06:54:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05636; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:54:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17608; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:49:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17602; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:49:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhe8Z-00000fC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mayer@cnj.digex.net (Paul Mayerowitz]) Subject: PINE on HP 735 Workstation Date: 5 Sep 1994 13:09:47 GMT Message-Id: <34f5ar$37i@cnj.digex.net> We would like to run PINE on a HP 735 workstation running HP-UX version 9.04. Does anyone know where we can obtain a clean copy copy of the source code or a compiled version of the code? Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:05:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05834; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:05:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14249; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:00:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14243; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:00:29 -0700 Received: from vodka.wlo.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA22584; Mon, 5 Sep 94 06:55:47 -0700 Received: by vodka.wlo.dec.com (5.61/1.34) id AA27951; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:53:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 14:53:47 +0000 (BST) From: Lager Lout To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: SVR4/Unixware ports In-Reply-To: <34eva4INN15v5@ilx018.iil.intel.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Sep 1994, Iancu Igal wrote: > has anyone compiled Pine 3.90 for Unixware and/or NCR SVR4? I managed to get it working on Motorola SVR4.0 after some hacking (changing the definition of gettimeofday() helps a lot!) > I was able to compile for NCR, but cannot get "folder listing" correctly > and Pine does not identify any of the folders in mail/[]. this is because there are two directory access libraries which are subtly different. To get around this I used cc (_not_ /usr/ucb/cc) and defined dirent as being the preferred directory structure. After I recompiled it worked fine. Cheers, Chris. "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" - Neil'83 Chris Hedley email: cbh@vodka.wlo.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation ltd phone: +44 707 374325 Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England fax: +44 707 374302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:08:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05893; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:08:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17783; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:02:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ousrvr.oulu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17771; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:02:46 -0700 Received: from paju.oulu.fi by oulu.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08719; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:02:44 +0300 Received: by paju.oulu.fi (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for @ousrvr.oulu.fi:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA14016; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:02:42 +0300 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 17:02:37 +0200 From: Marko Hotti To: Pine-Info Mailing List Subject: Compatibility with other newsreaders Message-Id: Posting-Frequency: semi-irregularly X-Mailer: PINE 3.90 (August 28th 1994) X-Ircnick: TechMan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There have been lots of discussion about whether Pine should use header instead of QUOTED-PRINTABLE if chosen so. My opinion is that there *definitely _should_ be* a way to do this because now some newsreaders can't handle postings made by Pine v3.90. Here's an example: In the Nordic countries we quite commonly use 8-bit ISO-8859-1 character set and one of the most popular newsreaders is Tin v1.2 PL12. When posting Finnish/Swedish/German/French 8-bit text with Pine, it is quite impossible to read the messages using Tin or other more versatile newsreaders. The screen is full with =E4/=F6 etc. stuff and people are furious. So at least Tin and Pine 3.90 are *not* compatible with each other. I know there are problems with other newsreaders, too. I'm quite sure that people will not start using Pine for news posting _until_ someone fixes this problem - a problem which is reality in Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, France and other countries using International character sets. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marko Hotti University of Oulu Faculty of Medicine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:22:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06102; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:22:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17941; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:16:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17935; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:16:17 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05465; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:16:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jim Stone Cc: Pine-Info List Subject: Re: PINE 3.91 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Jim Stone wrote: > Already working on a maintenance release for PINE 3.9x? Now that's what > I call SERVICE! We try... :) > Any idea when it might come out Every time in my life that I've ever answered a question about software schedules I've lived to regret it, so let's just say "sooner rather than later". > and what's scheduled for inclusion (other than the XON/XOFF fix)? There's a bunch of reported problems already fixed, and another bunch that still need to be... things like not allowing colons in the custom header definitions, crashing when you reference a MIME External reference or attach a non-existent message to the bug report command... > Any chance that the user-domain issues will be cleared up? Yes, if we figure out what's broken in time (recall that it doesn't seem to be misbehaving on our development system.) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:29:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06251; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:29:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18015; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:21:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18009; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:21:33 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05558; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:21:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 07:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Mike O'Connor Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to alter header with ! pine 3.07 In-Reply-To: <348u5r$i2t$1@garnet.msen.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mike, In 3.90 there is a compile-time option to permit this. Letting everyone tweak their From: line is not enabled by default because, alas, not everyone has the same kind of clientele that you do (wherein anyone who modifies their From: line has a *good* reason...) -teg On 3 Sep 1994, Mike O'Connor wrote: > In article > , > David L Miller wrote: > > :Actually, configurable headers were added in Pine 3.90... > > Why is it that the "From:" line can't be tweaked with 3.90, at least > not with the 3.90 binaries on ftp.cac.washington.edu (I could hack the > source, certainly)? I'd think that anyone who consciously added a > "From:" line to customize-hdrs in their .pinerc would probably have a > good reason, and it's not like people couldn't corrupt their headers > easily enough by munging user-domain. Pine isn't like some of the > obnoxious Mac and PC software "out there" which provides a "From:" > line just to cause confusion. > > ...Mike > > -- > Mike O'Connor, mjo@msen.com > http://www.msen.com/~mjo/ > > "The part I think I'd like best is crushing people who get in my way." -Calvin > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:29:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06271; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:29:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14510; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:23:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14504; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:23:56 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05603; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:23:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: David DiGioia Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine 3.0 performance In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, Could you be more specific? Based on reports from others, a performance bug related to marking messages Deleted has been found and fixed, but we'll need much more specific data from you in order to try to help... -teg On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, David DiGioia wrote: > I really like the new features, but am I the only one who finds the > performance noticeably slower thant 3.89? The "interactive response" > is what is bugging me. > > My config. is SparcStations 1, monochrome screen, 16MB RAM. > > Thanks in advance for any performance tuning hints. > > ...David > > .. David Di Gioia | wu2@cts.com > .. Stout were the words he spoke to his men: > .. 'Heart must be braver, courage the bolder, > .. Mood the stouter as our strength grows less!' > .. Byrhtwold, in "The Battle of Maldon" > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:46:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06612; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:46:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18212; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:38:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18206; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:38:39 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05850; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:38:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 07:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Ran Chermesh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't access pine.cac for update In-Reply-To: <34evkc$1q1@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ooops... The problem is at our end. I'll post another msg when it's fixed. -teg On 5 Sep 1994, Ran Chermesh wrote: > > Hi, > I tried to use the setup option on the main menu of my pine in order to > upgrade my pine to version 3.90. For some reason, the response I get is a > request for my login and password, which, expectedly, fail. > What's wrong? > > Ran > -- > () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () > ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() > () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 07:56:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06744; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:56:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14777; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:49:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14770; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:49:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhf1v-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 07:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mawa@sun9.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Martin Walter) Subject: pinef 3.90 and terminfo Date: 5 Sep 1994 13:39:19 GMT Message-Id: <34f727$46s@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> How can I get pine 3.90 to look into terminfo for function key definitions? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Martin Walter | mawa@uni-freiburg.de | Disclaimer: All above | | Hermann-Herder-Str.10 | University CC | is my opinion unless | | D-79104 Freiburg | +49 761 203 4651 | specified otherwise. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 09:08:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08171; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:08:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19175; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:02:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19169; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:02:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhgCH-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 08:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ceisen@travel2.com (Clive Eisen) Subject: Pre-Authentication Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 14:18:02 GMT Message-Id: Just got and compiled pine for sco. very impressive software. I am trying to get pre-authentication going ( between sco machines ). I guess I am being dim because I can't see how to do it. Anyone want to explain in simple terms what I should do? Thanks for yor time. -- Clive Eisen email ceisen@travel2.com voice (+44) 831 522 180 ceisen@deepthwt.demon.co.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 09:44:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08784; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:44:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16043; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:32:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16037; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:32:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhgf1-00000bC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 09:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: guitar@cloud9.net (Dempeel) Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig Date: 5 Sep 1994 16:14:42 GMT Message-Id: <34fg65$ooh@news.cloud9.net> References: <34emmn$1dt@crl3.crl.com> Rob Bidleman (robbee@crl.com) wrote: : I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my : .sig to get added at the END of my replies. It could be the signature file. Try it with ".signature" instead of just ".sig". Also, you can manually add your signature at the end of the mail by control-r and then typin the signature file. Hope this helps. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jake Kim guitar@cloud9.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 10:25:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09516; Mon, 5 Sep 94 10:25:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20258; Mon, 5 Sep 94 10:18:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20252; Mon, 5 Sep 94 10:18:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhhPL-00000fC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 10:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Re: ...filters [FAQ] Message-Id: References: <33bk6r$b6m@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 16:46:20 GMT Hi, I use a feature of elm called filter and it works great. It filters all my incoming mail, and can forward selected mail items also! But I use Pine to read my mail. Once filter is setup, it is all invisible and works great. email me if you want more info, or tell me if there is some problem with filter that I don't know of, and that procmail solves. kevin Marcos Rubinstein (pucho@netcom.com) wrote: : Yes, as an end user of pine, with limmited knowledge of Unix, I will love : ONE program that would let me do all of my mail houskeeping. : But, alas, I can understand the point raised by those who consider pine an : inapropiate (and inefective) way to filter mail. : What we need is somebody that will take procmail and make it as user : friendly as pine is... : ?some unix guru listening out there? : Shalom ve Tzedek : Pucho (aka marcos) pucho@netcom.com -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 11:25:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10606; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:25:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17254; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:17:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17247; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:17:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhiLg-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Sort Folder order Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 16:54:53 GMT I understand in Pine how to sort the _message_ index within a folder. but what I want to do is sort the _folder_ index itself, and I can't see how to do that. Can someone explain it to me? thanks, kevin -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 11:29:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10704; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:29:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21088; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:23:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21082; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:23:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhiRL-00000ZC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hbcsc025@huey.csun.edu (louie soriano) Subject: How do you... Date: 5 Sep 1994 18:05:26 GMT Message-Id: <34fml6$k7k@nic-nac.CSU.net> How do you D/L stuff from your mail, UNIX, or ftp down to your hard drive?!! I'm sort of new here!!! Either post it up or e-mail me!!! Thanks N Advance!!! _____ ___ ____ ___ ********** ********** _______ _____ ______ _____ ************ ************ | / | | \ \ | | ( ( * ) _ ( * ) ) | | | /| | ) ) | /| | * \ _ / / \ \ _ / * |___| |_/ |_| /____ / |_/ |_| * _ _ _ _ / \ _ _ _ _ * "Halu-Halo" lOuIe ---------------------------- The O.G. FASA!!! ------------------------------ ------------------------ Cal. State U. Northridge -------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 13:07:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12871; Mon, 5 Sep 94 13:07:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18484; Mon, 5 Sep 94 12:55:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from post2.INRE.ASU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18478; Mon, 5 Sep 94 12:55:58 -0700 Received: from trans4.asu.edu.asu.edu (trans4.ASU.EDU) by asu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #2382) id <01HGR5KOCHPC8X4ECW@asu.edu>; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 12:59:10 MST Received: by trans4.asu.edu.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06514; Mon, 5 Sep 94 12:55:47 MST Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 12:55:47 -0700 (MST) From: Yours Truly Subject: Supported terminal types To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Will someone please help with the following question from a Pine 3.89 user? Thanks! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- What valid terminal types, other than vt100, are valid for use with pine/pico? pine/pico didn't like vt220. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 14:23:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14043; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:23:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23260; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:09:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.nada.kth.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23254; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:09:29 -0700 Received: from staff.nada.kth.se by mail.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA04864; Mon, 5 Sep 94 23:09:24 +0200 Message-Id: <9409052109.AA04864@nada.kth.se> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Any way to get just-send-8-bit with Pine? In-Reply-To: <34b1u6$gmn@trane.uninett.no> from "jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) " "3 Sep 1994 23:47:18 GMT " Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 23:09:19 +0200 From: Peter Svanberg Quoting: jek@dec01.ngu.no (Jan Erik Kofoed) > > This problem is probably common to most European sites using Pine. > Pine 3.90 is indeed a wonderful mail-program, and in fact the only feature > we are missing is the ability to switch quoted-printable on/off. At least > in the Nordic countries many sites are using MTAs that are capable of > handling 8bit coded mail. Turning QP off will then be quite safe. Well, we have not come to an agreement on how to do in the Nordic contries in the current difficult intermediate stage. > I hope the Pine development team will consider this as a future > enhancement. > > Meanwhile, I hope Peter Svanberg will share his patch with us, giving > notification to this newsgroup. OK, my patch is now avaliable from ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/pine-3.90-patch-8bit.txt (which means FTP to ftp.nada.kth.se, get the file /pub/pine-3.90-patch-8bit.txt.) Quoting the start of the file: --------- Patches to pine 3.90 ==================== These are patches to get the following: * Correction to the when-to-QP-encode code: The 30% limit must be paired with a lower length limit, or else very short letters could mysteriously sometimes be BASE64-encoded, because of a too high non-ASCII character ratio. (For getting just this correction, see the changes to line 3263-3266 in send.c.) * New command line parameters: -use qp [0 or 1] Use MIME encoding quoted printable for text, not 8-bit. (Default XX, 0=no, 1 or [none]=yes.) -mime_8 [0 or 1] If text contains 8-bit text, use MIME. (Default YY, 0=no, 1 or [none]=yes.) * New config parameters (on which the XX and YY defaults above depends): DEFAULT_NOT_USE_QUOTED_PRINTABLE - Corresponds to "-use_qp 0" Enable this *only* if your sending software have the ESMTP 8BITMIME extension avaliable and enabled. (See RFC 1425 and RFC 1426.) DEFAULT_USE_NON_MIME_8BIT_LOCALLY - Corresponds to "-mime_8 0" Enable this *only* if your sending software transforms messages to 7-bit before sending them outside your domain, or if it transforms it to MIME and uses ESMTP 8BITMIME (see above). (I do *not* take any responsibility for the functionality of Pine 3.90 after applying this patch!) --------- Peter Svanberg, Email: psv@nada.kth.se Dept of Num An & CS, Royal Inst of Tech Phone: +46 8 790 71 40 S-100 44 Stockholm, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 790 09 30 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 14:48:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14457; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:48:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23654; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:38:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23648; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:37:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhlRi-00000YC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: william@london.sbi.com (William Charles) Subject: Pine 3.90 and IMAP Date: 5 Sep 1994 21:15:37 GMT Message-Id: <34g1pp$frm@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk> Dear All, I have recently upgraded to 3.90 and took the oportunity of installing imapd on our file-servers too -- this saves NFS mounting /usr/spool/mail onto every client. But... I specify numerous mail folders in my .pinerc, and combined with the .rhosts mechanism this gives easy and fairly quick access to my mail without the need for typing in a username & password. The problem (a niggle rather than a full blown problem) is why doesn't PINE check your hostname before attempting to open an IMAP connection? If I'm logged into a machine for which one of my folders is actually local, why doesn't PINE realise and simply access the file directly? ie. I'm logged into `bismarck', and my INBOX is as follows INBOX {bismarck}~/mail/INBOX Wouldn't it be faster to simply open the file and read it? -- Will. ____________ / _/ _ / / / | Salomon Brothers International Limited /_ / _ / / /_ |--------------------------------------------- /___/___/_/___/ | William Charles - Unix Systems Administrator From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 15:57:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15643; Mon, 5 Sep 94 15:57:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20696; Mon, 5 Sep 94 15:47:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20690; Mon, 5 Sep 94 15:47:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhmW0-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 15:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 & MIME Date: 5 Sep 1994 15:26:04 GMT Message-Id: References: Martin Hamilton (martin@mrrl.lut.ac.uk) wrote: : Is there any way of specifying the MIME content-type/encoding when : you compose a message ? I'd like to suggest this as a future feature. Currently pine reads the first few bytes of a file to be attached, and decides on that whether to simply make it an application/octet-stream, or one of PS/GIF/TIFF/or a few others. This is currently done in code. Couldn't this be passed out to a /etc/magic-like file? That way sites could easily add 'native' support for their fav apps without having to hack the code (as I'm currently doing). The flexFAX package (sending faxes under Unix) current employs this approach with much success. As an example - I've yet to _ever_ see/or send a TIFF file (which has 'native' support), but I see Framemaker docs every week. This is such a site-specific issue that I'm sure such a feature would be appreciated. Pine 3.90/via metamail allows things like application/x-framemaker to start an external app - but has no way of actually _producing_ application/x-framemaker. (don't read too much into x-framemaker - it's just an example!!! ;-) BTW - your "read some bytes" technique for sending MIME attachments currently out-performs other more user-interactive forms I've seen in other MIME MUAs - it's one less thing the user has to worry about/forget :-) -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790111 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG24 0GY, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 17:34:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17531; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:34:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25990; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:24:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sunstel.asu.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25978; Mon, 5 Sep 94 17:23:43 -0700 Received: by sunstel.asu.cas.cz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15366; Tue, 6 Sep 94 02:23:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 02:23:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petr Skoda X-Sender: skoda@sunstel To: pine-info Subject: problems with PostScript attachments in pine3.90 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1358958682-354620224-778811007=:15362" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1358958682-354620224-778811007=:15362 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have found a possible bug in viewing PostScript attachments in 3.90 using .mailcap . (BTW where is the "Sample mailcap file bundled with the Pine distribution " as mentioned in Release notes ? - I did not find it in pine3.90.tar.Z ) I will attach a postscript file using ^J in header and the pine correctly encodes it. When I read the message with this attachment the pine displays correctly that the 2nd attachment is a PostScript file (in rich header is MIME Content-type: APPLICATION/PostScript - read by /ucb/mail) but using View attachment it complains: Don't know how to display attachment format Application/POSTSCRIPT (note the change in Capitals ) but the entry in .mailcap is correct, because metamail will correctly run the ghostview. I have tried other MIME formats and everything works OK (gif, jpeg, binary, ) (My mailcap is included as attachment) Is there a bug in converting Capitals from .mailcap to MIME content-type (case sensitivity in reading .mailcap) or am I completely wrong in understanding of MIME .mailcap? P.S. pine3.90 is great great great !!! 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Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26854; Mon, 5 Sep 94 18:38:41 -0700 Received: by sunstel.asu.cas.cz (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15533; Tue, 6 Sep 94 03:38:34 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 03:38:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petr Skoda X-Sender: skoda@sunstel To: pine-info Subject: problems with PostScript attachments SOLVED! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The problem was in blank line after image section of .mailcap. After deleting it works fine. Thanks to Ed Grechko ************************************************************************* * Petr Skoda Phone : +42-204-85201, ext. 361 * * Stellar Department +42-204-857361,857136 * * Astronomical Institute CAS Fax : +42-2-881611 * * 251 65 Ondrejov e-mail: skoda@sunstel.asu.cas.cz * * Czech Republic aststel@csearn.bitnet * ************************************************************************* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:14:59 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Petr Skoda Subject: Re: problems with PostScript attachments in pine3.90 One bug has been reported that "may be" an outgrowth of the problem you are seeing. Pine does not like blank lines in the .mailcap file. It treats it like an EOF. Try getting rid of the blank lines and try again..... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 20:44:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20637; Mon, 5 Sep 94 20:44:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28280; Mon, 5 Sep 94 20:31:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28274; Mon, 5 Sep 94 20:31:32 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA119972505; Mon, 5 Sep 1994 22:35:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 22:35:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: Terry Gray Cc: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Subject: Re: XON-XOFF handling (was: pine 3.90 on Hpux 9.0) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the suggestion of the patch. The modification did not seem to make much difference in the one communication environment I have noticed a problem. Pine 3.90 does something - even with the suggested deletions from ttyin.c. - 3.89 never did. Environment: 3.90 compiled under Hpux 9.0 Problem seen only with Async. connections (via modem using Procomm Plus 2.0 at 2400 Bd.) not in X or telnet connections. Symptom: Every time the full folder index displays, or whenever I manually rewrite an entire screen using ^L in the Message Text, when all 24 lines have been written, the system sounds an alert several times displaying "Command "^Q" not defined for this screen" or "Unknown Command: ^Q". It does seem to beep a fewer number of times after making the patch... In the same environment, Pine 2.89 compiled for Hpux seemed not to see the ^S ^Q or to ignore them. The frequent alert messages are just a nuisance, not a major problem. Dan On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Dan, > Here's the scoop: > > Unfortunately, on systems that rely on software flow-control, this results > in the symptoms you described. In the upcoming 3.91 maintenance release > this will be a configuration option. Until then, Mike S. advises that > deleting the two lines > > _raw_tchars.t_startc = -1; /* Turn off ^S/^Q */ > _raw_tchars.t_stopc = -1; > > from around line 244 in pine/ttyin.c will make Pine 3.90 behave like > previous versions. > > -teg > > On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > > > Pine 3.90, after displaying a full screen of the index of the current > > inbox folder, the vt100 terminal display beeps, and displays in quick > > succession "Command "^S" is not defined here", and then "Command "^Q" is > > not defined here". This occurs on practically all screen rewrites, at > > least from the index display of the inbox. In fact in the setup, > > configuration section things become unmanageable because of the frequency > > of undefined keystrokes being received...though these keystrokes are not > > originating on my keyboard. > -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 21:29:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21305; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:29:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28853; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:20:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28841; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:20:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhrGg-00000dC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 20:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tyton@crl.com (William M Davis) Subject: IMAP VRS POP ? Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 20:01:35 Message-Id: Is there a difference in IMAP mail server and POP mail server or in this and obvious newbie question which makes no sense at all!!! Mike Davis tyton@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 21:29:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21328; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:29:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24836; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:19:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24830; Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:19:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qhqo6-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 20:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ashok Aiyar Subject: Re: Supported terminal types Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 23:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Yours Truly wrote: > Will someone please help with the following question from a Pine 3.89 user? > > Thanks! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > What valid terminal types, other than vt100, are valid for use with > pine/pico? pine/pico didn't like vt220. That's odd, I am using Pine with a vt220 emulator (WinQVT/net), and it is working fine. Perhaps you do not have a proper termcap for vt220? Later, Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar email: ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu CWRU Medical School telephone: (216) 368-3300 Department of Biochemistry fax: (216) 368-4544 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 22:57:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22930; Mon, 5 Sep 94 22:57:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26231; Mon, 5 Sep 94 22:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26225; Mon, 5 Sep 94 22:48:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qht7j-00000NC; Mon, 5 Sep 94 22:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: raan@netcom.com (Ran Ever-Hadani) Subject: Default Fcc: folder by To: field Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 05:10:05 GMT This is a bug report. I have pine configured so that the default Fcc: is taken from the address book. Suppose I have an address in the book for a the user username@somewhere.com, with the nickname nick and the default folder nickfolder. When I call pine like this % pine nick I am placed in the composer with the cursor in the To: line, and with username@somewhere.com written in it. In the Fcc: it says "nickfolder". so far, so good. Now when I leave the To line, say by hitting the down arrow, the contents of the Fcc: field is replaced with "username". -- Ran From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 5 23:19:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23399; Mon, 5 Sep 94 23:19:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26499; Mon, 5 Sep 94 23:03:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26487; Mon, 5 Sep 94 23:03:16 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:00:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:00:41 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: William M Davis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: IMAP VRS POP ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, William M Davis wrote: > Is there a difference in IMAP mail server and POP mail server or in this > and obvious newbie question which makes no sense at all!!! Yes, there is a difference....and this should help explain it even if it is a bit out of date..... 93.5.10 Comparing Two Approaches to Remote Mailbox Access: IMAP vs. POP Terry Gray Director, Networks & Distributed Computing University of Washington There are several different approaches to building a distributed electronic mail infrastructure. For example: LAN-oriented, vendor specific systems; single time-sharing machine solutions; and Internet-oriented mailserver-based solutions. The principal options in this last category are DMSP (Distributed Mail System Protocol), POP (Post Office Protocol), and IMAP (Interactive Mail Access Protocol). These protocols are more robust foundations for a distributed email system than vendor-specific systems requiring gateways to Internet mail. Of these three, POP is the oldest and consequently the best known. DMSP is largely limited to a single application, PCMAIL, and is known primarily for its disconnected (offline) operation capabilities. IMAP offers significant advantages over POP. This gap is likely to widen as a result of the imminent addition of disconnected operation extensions to IMAP. With POP (Post Office Protocol), mail is delivered to a shared server, and a personal computer user periodically connects to the server and downloads all of the pending mail to the "client" machine. Thereafter, all mail processing is local to the client machine. Think of POP as providing a store-and-forward service, intended to move mail (on demand) from an intermediate server (drop point) to a single destination machine, usually a PC or Mac. Once delivered to the PC or Mac, the messages are typically deleted from the POP server. IMAP is a client-server mail protocol designed to permit manipulation of remote mailboxes as if they were local. With IMAP, mail is again delivered to a shared server, but the mail client machine does not normally copy it all at once and then delete it from the server. It's more of a client-server model, where the IMAP client can ask the server for headers, or the bodies of specified messages, or to search for messages meeting certain criteria. Messages in the mail repository can be marked as deleted and subsequently expunged, but they stay on the repository until the user takes such action. Depending on the IMAP client implementation and the mail architecture desired by a system manager, the user may save messages directly on the client machine, or save them on the server, or be given the choice of doing either. While POP and IMAP both allow access to mail on a remote server from a variety of different client platforms, they reflect two different paradigms and styles of use. POP works best for people who use a single client machine all the time; it is not well-suited for the goals of accessing one's inbox of recent messages or saved-message folders from different places and different machines at different times. The strength of POP, other than its wide availability, is that it minimizes use of server resources and connect time when used via dialup. However, since IMAP is a functional superset of POP, it can also be used in the "POP paradigm" of connecting to a mail server, retrieving all the pending messages, and disconnecting. Thus, the only advantage of the POP *protocol* over IMAP relates to software availability and not functionality. As the amount of IMAP software is growing rapidly, the historic prevalence of POP is of diminishing importance when compared to the many advantages of IMAP. Because IMAP can mimic all of the POP mail retrieval functions, it is useful to distinguish the characteristics of the IMAP and POP *paradigms*, as well as the protocols themselves. The paradigms define what the user can do in each model; the protocol characteristics relate to efficiency, performance, etc. Here are some of the key similarities and differences between the two... o POP and IMAP reflect two different paradigms: -POP = store-and-forward (usually to a single client). -IMAP = multiple client-server mailbox access. o Characteristics common to both POP and IMAP: -Mail is delivered to a shared, "always up" mail server. -New mail accessible from a variety of client platform types. -New mail accessible from anywhere in network. -Offline mail processing possible, though neither designed for it. -Protocols are open; defined by Internet RFCs. -Freely available implementations (including source) available. -Clients available for PCs, Macs, and Unix. -Commercial implementations available. -Internet oriented; no SMTP mail gateways required. o POP paradigm advantages: -Minimum use of connect time. -Minimum use of server resources. o POP protocol advantages: -Simpler protocol; easier to implement. -More client software currently available. o IMAP paradigm advantages: -Saved-message folders may be stored on server (as well as INBOX). -Allows access to INBOX (not just new mail) from multiple platforms. -Allows concurrent access to a shared mailbox from multiple platforms. -Allows concurrent access to mailboxes on multiple mailservers. -Offers improved offline mail handling. -Allows selective transfer of messages/parts to client (local Save). -Can also use POP paradigm, for minimum connect time and server resources. o IMAP protocol advantages: -Suitable for accessing non-email data; e.g., NetNews, documents. -Faster startup time, as only the headers are fetched initially. -Allows selective fetching of individual MIME message body parts. -Effective over low-speed links. -Ability to use server for searching. -Offline processing w/resynchronizing is a planned enhancement. "Saved-message folders may be stored on server (as well as INBOX)" allows "dataless" clients and/or nomadic users (e.g. student labs). "Allows access to INBOX (not just new mail) from multiple platforms" means that if you have a Mac in your office, and PC at home, and a Unix machine in the lab, you can move freely among them and access the same INBOX. "Allows concurrent access to a shared mailbox from multiple platforms." This capability is useful when multiple individuals are processing messages coming into a common inbox. Changes in mailbox state can be presented to all concurrently active clients via IMAP. "Allows concurrent access to multiple inboxes on multiple mailservers." This is useful for people who have partitioned their incoming mail streams, either via delivery filters, or by having different accounts for different purposes. IMAP "offers improved offline mail handling" compared to POP. Unlike the DMSP protocol used in the PCMAIL program, neither POP nor IMAP was designed with offline use as a primary goal. However, POP is widely used for this, even though it is not particularly well-suited for the task. POP requires you to either entrust all of your mail to your client machine (which may be about to go thru an airport xray machine), or to over-ride the normal POP server behavior of deleting the mail on the server, and manually resynchronizing the diverging mailbox states at a later time. IMAP can do better: you can connect to the server, save to a local folder all or selected messages, and disconnect. The advantages over POP are that (1) the saved messages may be retained on the server, but *marked* as deleted, so they can be distinguished later from unselected or more recent messages, and expunged once it is clear they won't be needed, and (2) the ability to save (download) selectively --especially important when one has a 2MB audio message in the mailbox and is reading mail via a low-bandwidth connection from a machine that has no sound capability. "Allows selective transfer of messages/parts to client (local Save)." Especially when connecting to a mail server via low-bandwidth lines, it is useful to be able to defer transferring messages that are not of immediate interest until a more propitious time. Moreover, with multimedia or multipart MIME messages, transferring selected parts of a message in increasingly useful. Efficient processing of MIME messages is one of the major advantages of IMAP over POP. MIME stands for Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions. It is a technique for encoding arbitrary files as attachments to SMTP and RFC-822 compatible Internet mail messages. This is something that proprietary, LAN-oriented, mail systems have had for some time, and now is finally available for the Internet. It allows one to send spreadsheets, word processing docs, images, and audio to 5 or 10 million of "your closest Internet friends". MIME has one particularly nice capability: it allows inclusion of alternate representations. For example, a plain-text version of a document, plus a fax or RTF version. With IMAP, the receiving mail user agent gets to decide which message parts to transfer and present to the user, falling back to plain text if that's all it can do. Even though MIME support is not yet pervasive, its importance and impact on the IMAP/POP question should not be underestimated. There is tremendous pent-up demand for this capability and it is taking off fast. In fact, people are already using MIME for things that have nothing to do with mail (e.g. encoding different representations of technical documents, for campus-wide information systems.) MIME is orthogonal to IMAP and POP, except that IMAP and MIME are extremely complementary, and there are already IMAP clients that understand MIME. (POP clients can and will be taught to understand MIME, too, but the fact that POP copies all pending messages at startup, and MIME messages can be very large, means that POP users may need to become even more patient!) "Can also use POP paradigm, for minimum connect time and server resources." The POP paradigm is of interest in situations where the only access to a mail server is via expensive dialup connections and multi-platform access to one's inbox(es) is not needed. It is also useful in environments where client machines are resource-rich and servers are resource-poor. However, because IMAP is a superset of POP functionality, IMAP can be used in "POP mode". That is, IMAP clients can be designed to provide the option of transfering all messages to the client and processing them locally (generally offline), thus providing the same advantages POP has in terms of minimizing connect time and use of server resources. In summary, the fact that IMAP provides access to a persistent remote mail store, and does not move all pending messages to the client machine, offers more flexible access to that mail, and provides significant performance advantages over POP in terms of start-up time and access to large MIME messages. The option of accessing remote saved-message folders and/or NetNews via IMAP (and from the same mail user agent) provides additional architectural flexibility in comparison to POP. A reasonable conclusion is that the only advantage of POP over IMAP is that there is currently more POP software available. However, this is changing rapidly, and IMAP's functional advantages over POP are nothing less than overwhelming. IMAP2 is defined in RFC-1176. An "IMAP2bis" document describing recent extensions to IMAP is available (along with various IMAP clients and a server) in the /mail directory of ftp.cac.washington.edu. Also available from the same place is a POP server that, in addition to offering the normal POP service, can relay commands to an IMAP server, thus permitting existing POP clients to access an IMAP server. The IMAP server available from UW also incorporates a NetNews driver, used at UW as part of its Campus-Wide Information System. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 01:12:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26156; Tue, 6 Sep 94 01:12:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02244; Tue, 6 Sep 94 01:02:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02238; Tue, 6 Sep 94 01:02:01 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <13806-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:51:06 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA11715; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:01:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:01:54 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Putnam Barber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Append/Overwrite confusion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "Are you sure you want to do this?" Yes. "Are you SURE you want to do this?" Yes. "Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?" Yes! "It can't be undone, so are you REALLY, REALLY sure?" YES!@! "I don't think you ARE sure ... perhaps I'd better not do it after all." AAARRRGGGHHHHH!! More seriously, I think the current Append/Overwrite behaviour is right. In previous versions of Pine there was NO easy way to overwrite a file; now there is. As with previous changes it's just a little matter of finger training -- it took me a while to get used to running with confirmation of expunges turned off (I kept typing a "y" ahead as confirmation, which instead get taken as a prYnt command). The prompts are in line with the rest of Pine's behaviour. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Putnam Barber wrote: > > As comments are collected for Pine 3.91, please include this regret for > the shift from 3.89's "file exists, append [y/n]" format to 3.90's > admittedly more logical (but +much+ more dangerous) choice of A(ppend) or > O(verwrite). At least, the O(verwrite) branch should require or > optionally be configurable with a confirmation. > > Maybe it is confirgurable to require a confirmation. If so, +please+ let > me know so I stop replacing yesterday's great stuff with today's trash :-(. > > Putnam Barber > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 04:53:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01108; Tue, 6 Sep 94 04:53:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01095; Tue, 6 Sep 94 04:45:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from spark.NSPower.NS.Ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01086; Tue, 6 Sep 94 04:44:59 -0700 Received: by Spark.NSPower.NS.Ca (4.1/NSP-1.0) id AA04414; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:43:50 ADT Received: from nspc04.nspower.ns.ca(142.67.23.19) by spark via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma004412; Tue Sep 6 08:43:40 1994 Received: from ns371.nspcplan (ns371) by NSPC04 (PMDF V4.3-7 #6827) id <01HGSAWUPALCEPF1KD@NSPC04>; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:42:33 AST Received: from ns3746.nspcplan by ns371.nspcplan (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13215; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:44:09 ADT Received: by ns3746.nspcplan (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00604; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:44:10 ADT Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 08:44:10 -0300 (ADT) From: "" Subject: Re: Supported terminal types In-Reply-To: X-Sender: p95rc@ns3746 To: Yours Truly Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Yours Truly wrote: > Will someone please help with the following question from a Pine 3.89 user? > > Thanks! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > What valid terminal types, other than vt100, are valid for use with > pine/pico? pine/pico didn't like vt220. > > If your termcap is like the standard SunOS, there is no entry for vt220, but there is one for vt200, try it. Regards, Robert W. Creighton, P.Eng. E-Mail: robert.creighton@nspower.ns.ca Sr. System Design Engineer Voice: (902) 428-6877 Nova Scotia Power, Inc Fax: (902) 428-6118 P.O. Box 910 Halifax, NS, CANADA B3J 2W5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 06:21:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03086; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:21:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02217; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:13:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ilium.troy.msen.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02203; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:13:09 -0700 Received: from boozsh by ilium.troy.msen.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qi0J9-0002nYC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:11 EDT Received: from fugu.frc.com by boozsh.frc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.27.1 #2) id m0qhzRG-0006zcC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:15 EDT Received: by fugu.frc.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA10219; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:15:49 EDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Syed A. Nabi" Reply-To: "Syed A. Nabi" Subject: Re: Supported terminal types To: Yours Truly Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Yours Truly wrote: > Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 12:55:47 -0700 (MST) > From: Yours Truly > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Supported terminal types > > Will someone please help with the following question from a Pine 3.89 user? > > Thanks! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > What valid terminal types, other than vt100, are valid for use with > pine/pico? pine/pico didn't like vt220. > That's unusual. I am using DEC vt220 and never seen any problem with pine. Probably your termcap is not properly setup. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syed A. Nabi | Internet : nabisa@frc.com | sanabi@vela.acs.oakland.edu FANUC Robotics North America, Inc. | BITNET : SANABI@OAKLAND 2000 S. Adams Road | Voice : +1 (810) 377-7718 Auburn Hills, MI-48326 | +1 (810) 589-3402 | Fax : +1 (810) 377-7363 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 06:22:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03133; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:22:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06424; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:14:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06418; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:14:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi03h-00000cC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 05:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: PC pine 3.90 and DOS 6.3 ????? Date: 6 Sep 1994 12:49:43 GMT Message-Id: <34hoh7$1d3@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Has anyone tried to use PC pine 3.90 (both dos and win. vers.) on a PC running DOS 6.3 ? We have one PC with DOS 6.3 installed and PC pine 3.90 can't send mails from that PC. On other PC's it work ok, and PC pine 3.89 also works OK on the DOS 6.3 machine. If PC pine 3.90 is run on "raw" dos 6.3 it goes all right, but if it is started e.g. from windows (both dos pine 3.90 and the win pine 3.90 can be started from windows) it can't send mails. Everything else works OK, just the smtp mailtransfere from the pc to the mailserver don't work. On the same machine everything works OK with pine 3.89. Any good suggestions help and hints are welcome. Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! 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DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 07:01:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03902; Tue, 6 Sep 94 07:01:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02746; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:54:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02740; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:54:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi0hi-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 06:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mauricio@tezcat.com (Mauricio Araujo) Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:33:31 -0500 Message-Id: <34hr3b$rmj@xochi.tezcat.com> References: <34emmn$1dt@crl3.crl.com> Rob Bidleman (robbee@crl.com) wrote: : I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my : .sig to get added at the END of my replies. In the configuration of Pine there is an option to put your ".signature" file at the end of your replies. -- ============================================================================= Opinions not necessarily those of the author ;) _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 07:34:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04665; Tue, 6 Sep 94 07:34:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07307; Tue, 6 Sep 94 07:19:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07293; Tue, 6 Sep 94 07:19:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi17t-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 07:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: malcor@class.class.org (Dan Malcor-LA Times) Subject: Overwrite don't in 3.90 Date: 6 Sep 1994 13:59:50 GMT Message-Id: <34hskn$o2j@news.cerf.net> Seems the option to "O"verwrite and existing file from the message "E"xport function does and Append instead. Am I alone in this bug? -- ====================================================================== Dan Malcor | Los Angeles Times - Editorial Systems Internet: malcor@class.org | Systems Analyst / Programmer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 08:44:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07266; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:44:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08793; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:35:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08787; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:35:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi2HL-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chuck@cedar.plexus.com (Chuck Tomasi) Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig Date: 6 Sep 1994 09:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <34huun$4oo@aztec.pd.tgi.plexus.com> References: <34emmn$1dt@crl3.crl.com> <34hr3b$rmj@xochi.tezcat.com> In <34hr3b$rmj@xochi.tezcat.com> mauricio@tezcat.com (Mauricio Araujo) writes: >Rob Bidleman (robbee@crl.com) wrote: >: I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my >: .sig to get added at the END of my replies. >In the configuration of Pine there is an option to put your ".signature" >file at the end of your replies. This is probably one of the most common Pine questions/requests I get. I don't know why the default isn't at the end of the file (especially for replies.) I guess you can't please all the people all the time. For Unix Pine (v3.89) you should have a file in your home directory called .pinerc. This file is well commented and shouldn't be overlooked for a wealth of information in configuring Pine. Every time I help someone with something I seem to learn more about Pine. The information you are looking for is in a line called: feature-list: Above the line is a bunch of options which should be comma separated. The one you are interested in is called "signature-at-bottom". Your feature-list line should look something like this: feature-list: signature-at-bottom Reading the .pinerc file should shed more light on the subject. -- Chuck Tomasi Chuck.Tomasi@plexus.com Systems Administrator http://www.plexus.com/~chuck/ Technology Group Inc. (414)751-3327 (voice) !!! Bill Gates is *NOT* my friend !!! (414)722-3220 (fax) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 08:50:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07472; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:50:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04552; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:43:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04546; Tue, 6 Sep 94 08:43:45 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:41:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:41:10 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Dan Malcor-LA Times Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 In-Reply-To: <34hskn$o2j@news.cerf.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Sep 1994, Dan Malcor-LA Times wrote: > Seems the option to "O"verwrite and existing file from the message "E"xport > function does and Append instead. Am I alone in this bug? A simple test here: 1. Export message to new file. 2. Export another message to same file. 3. Choose Overwrite. 4. Worked fine here..... Can you supply more details on your environment? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 09:25:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09388; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:25:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09761; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:09:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09755; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:09:50 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03706; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:09:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Ran Chermesh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't access cac for update In-Reply-To: <34evkc$1q1@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now fixed. (It was, by the way, a passwd file problem that also affected anonymous ftp access.) -teg On 5 Sep 1994, Ran Chermesh wrote: > I tried to use the setup option on the main menu of my pine in order to > upgrade my pine to version 3.90. For some reason, the response I get is a > request for my login and password, which, expectedly, fail. > What's wrong? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 09:29:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09579; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:29:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09941; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:19:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09935; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:19:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi304-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Paul Robinson Subject: Re: Pine 3.9 and newsgroups Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: <33rbsc$43n@news.halcyon.com> <33rpf6$b1p@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <33rpf6$b1p@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> On 29 Aug 1994, king shu wrote: > You have to delete them just as what you do on your email. > > > In article <33rbsc$43n@news.halcyon.com> gmartz@nwcl.nwcl.net (Greg Martz) writes: > > Am now using Pine 3.90, and found something in the newsgroup section. > >It seems, that when I go through all the newsgroups (with tab) and read > >all the messages, exit pine, go back later, all the news items I had > >already read, are there again. Anyway I can get it so it will only have > >the ones I haven't read?? This should be a selectable feature; marking items as read using a newsreader is automatic. What the Pine Development Team should consider is checking with Iain Lee (or whatever his name is) and develop a merger of Pine and Tin together so that the features of threaded newsreading will be available for Pine users as well as the other features. I'd like to see Pine become a "one stop shopping" place for news and mail. As it is, it's very good; I'd like to see it do better. Reports on Security Problems: To Subscribe write PROBLEMS-REQUEST@TDR.COM Paul Robinson - paul@tdr.com / tdarcos@MCIMail.com / tdarcos@access.digex.net Voted "Largest Polluter of the (IETF) list" by Randy Bush Voted "Largest Polluter of digex.general" by Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 10:16:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11484; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:16:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06375; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:04:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06369; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:04:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi3dx-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 09:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 and IMAP Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:39:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4iP8oou00WBwQ3OhA=@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <34g1pp$frm@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34g1pp$frm@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk> william@london.sbi.com (William Charles) writes: > ie. I'm logged into `bismarck', and my INBOX is as follows > > INBOX {bismarck}~/mail/INBOX > > Wouldn't it be faster to simply open the file and read it? The IMAP server on "bismarck" might not be the c-client implementation. "~/mail/INBOX" might not be what it is in the filesystem. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 11:10:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13704; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:10:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12172; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:59:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12166; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:59:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi4Z6-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: epearson@olac (Erik A. Pearson) Subject: PC-Pine: Attachments on a LAN Date: 6 Sep 1994 17:34:00 GMT Message-Id: <34i968$s66@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, I'm wondering if there is a fix yet for the PC-Pine bugette that occurs when attempting to read an attachment when PC-Pine is run from a LAN drive. Specifically, Pine tries to create a temporary file on the root drive from which it is run, instead of the directory pointed to by the TMP or TEMP environment variable. Since users don't normally have write access to the root of a shared disk, (most of) our users can't read or save attachements. Thanks, Erik Pearson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 11:19:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14081; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:19:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07699; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:09:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07684; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:09:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi4hd-00000bC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sfrazz@tazman (Steve Frazzini - Sales Rep Sun Vienna Va.) Subject: Pine 3.90 WHERE? Date: 6 Sep 1994 15:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <34i3kb$gg9@koppel.East.Sun.COM> I must have missed it, but where is pine 3.90? I have searched archie with no luck. I apologize if this is old news or in the FAQ. TIA, -Steve -- /\ \\ \ Stephen M. Frazzini \ \\ / Federal Account Executive / \/ / / / / \//\ Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Inc. \//\ / / 2650 Park Tower Drive, 4th Floor / / /\ / Vienna, Va. 22180 / \\ \ 703 204-4915 or 24915 (internal) \ \\ 703 204-4782 (FAX) \/ steve.frazzini@east.sun.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 11:23:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14348; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:23:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07787; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:13:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ilium.troy.msen.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07775; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:13:24 -0700 Received: from boozsh by ilium.troy.msen.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qi4z3-0002nTC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:11 EDT Received: from fugu.frc.com by boozsh.frc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.27.1 #2) id m0qi3mt-0006zcC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:54 EDT Received: by fugu.frc.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA11153; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:54:26 EDT Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Syed A. Nabi" Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig To: Mauricio Araujo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <34hr3b$rmj@xochi.tezcat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sep 1994, Mauricio Araujo wrote: > Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:33:31 -0500 > From: Mauricio Araujo > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig > > Rob Bidleman (robbee@crl.com) wrote: > : I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my > : .sig to get added at the END of my replies. > > In the configuration of Pine there is an option to put your ".signature" > file at the end of your replies. > -- > > > > ============================================================================= > Opinions not necessarily those of the author ;) > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Try the following in your .pinerc # Name of file to read signature out of for inclusion in outgoing mail signature-file=/pde1/nabisa/.signature feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom That will work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syed A. Nabi | Internet : nabisa@frc.com | sanabi@vela.acs.oakland.edu FANUC Robotics North America, Inc. | BITNET : SANABI@OAKLAND 2000 S. Adams Road | Voice : +1 (810) 377-7718 Auburn Hills, MI-48326 | +1 (810) 589-3402 | Fax : +1 (810) 377-7363 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 11:44:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15350; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:44:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08188; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:31:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lime.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08174; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:31:29 -0700 Received: by lime.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA13227; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:29:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:28:59 -0500 (CDT) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@lime To: Gary Jensen Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: Some defaults for pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Prof. Jensen, I'm not sure if Pine has implemented a personalized way of ordering mailboxes. I do remember, though, back w/ an earlier version (we're now at version 3.90), mailboxes seemed to be ordered by date of creation. I'm also not sure if there's a way to specifically ask Pine to not delete mailboxes within a certain time frame. I'm cc:'ing this message to the Pine-Info list; hopefully they'll have some answers as well. Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NEXTSTEP Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Gary Jensen wrote: > As it is now set up, when I quit pine it puts undeleted messages into > the folder read-messages. At the beginning of a new month, it labels > that folder read-messages-month, and I like that. I have found that > keeping my messages chronologically works best for finding things. > Two suggestions. The read-messages folder should be right at the top > with the sent-messages folder, since those are the two folders I look at > most often. Second, at the beginning of the month when it asks whether I > want read-messages-sixmonthsago deleted (likewise for sent-messages), I > like to keep these for six months, then delete. Can it be set up so that > once I answer no, it stops asking and goes on to the next thing, rather > than running through the next six folders asking if I want to delete > them? I seem to recall that it used to work like that. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 12:02:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16311; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:02:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13328; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:50:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13319; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:50:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi5K5-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 11:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 WHERE? Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:06:48 GMT Message-Id: <34ib3o$7iu@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> References: <34i3kb$gg9@koppel.East.Sun.COM> Thus spake sfrazz@tazman (Steve Frazzini - Sales Rep Sun Vienna Va.): >I must have missed it, but where is pine 3.90? I have searched archie with >no luck. I apologize if this is old news or in the FAQ. Try ftp.cac.washington.edu -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >TIA, >-Steve >-- > /\ > \\ \ Stephen M. Frazzini > \ \\ / Federal Account Executive > / \/ / / > / / \//\ Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Inc. > \//\ / / 2650 Park Tower Drive, 4th Floor > / / /\ / Vienna, Va. 22180 > / \\ \ 703 204-4915 or 24915 (internal) > \ \\ 703 204-4782 (FAX) > \/ > steve.frazzini@east.sun.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 12:42:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18077; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:42:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09432; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:29:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09426; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:29:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi5vw-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: how to post a mail message in Pine? Date: 6 Sep 1994 17:48:15 GMT Message-Id: <34ia0v$6ls@news.bu.edu> how do i post or bounce a mail message to a newsgroup? also how can i reply/followup a newsgroup message and cc/bcc it to other people? Nelson -- EMAIL: butta1@bu.edu CIIP: nchin@hnt.com OTHER: GWBV10E@prodigy.com CCIC: cyl@ifcss.org L-NITT: ttennis@bu.edu NAME: NELSON CHIN From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 13:10:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19550; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:10:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14834; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:59:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14828; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:59:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi6NW-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ec179@city.ac.uk (Mark Lewis) Subject: Re: MIME compose in pine ?? Message-Id: <1994Sep6.164004.3416@city.ac.uk> References: <345s6t$poj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:40:04 GMT Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: > Andrew, > We had hoped to get mime.types support into 3.90, but didn't make it. > It should be in the next non-maintenance release. It'd be nice to be able to specify the Content and Encoding type to be used for attachments. A mime.types file is a good start (this should be used to obtain the default settings), but files don't always have the right extentions. Mark. -- .--------------------------{ From: Mark Lewis }--------------------------. | PGP public key available by fingering ec179@finger.city.ac.uk | `------------------{ Email: nostra@city.ac.uk (MIME) }-------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 13:27:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20064; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:27:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10623; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:14:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10617; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:14:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi6es-00000dC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mike_h@indirect.com (Mike Howerton) Subject: INBOX locked by other process? Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:31:20 GMT Message-Id: <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com> Today, out of the blue, I am getting an error when I attempt to start Pine. The error is... 'can't open folder lock, access is readonly' 'folder is open by another process, access is readonly' I get this on both my INBOX folder and my sent-mail folder. I checked and my sent-mail folder is both read and write enabled. The only thing I can think of that changed is that I untarred a file to my /tmp directory last week and hadn't ran Pine since then. I went back and deleted the files that came from the Tar but that didn't correct the problem. Any ideas?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 13:35:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20302; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:35:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15615; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:24:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15609; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:24:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi6nw-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: khan@xraylith.wisc.edu (Mumit Khan) Subject: prob accessing ftp.cac.washington.edu (wrong file perms)?? Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:35:52 GMT Message-Id: <34icq8$jot@news.doit.wisc.edu> Just tried to access the ``fixed'' solaris Imapd from ftp.cac (it did let me in this time -- it wouldn't accept anonymous logins over the weekend), and could see all the files, but when I tried to ``get'' the file I needed from pine/unix-bin-compressed/imapd-bin.solaris.Z, it refused with a 'no permission' error. Anybody know why? mumit From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 13:38:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20446; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:38:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10902; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:29:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10894; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:29:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi6uT-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dehahn@buell.shr.dec.com (Christofer deHahn) Subject: Re: pine 3.0 performance Date: 6 Sep 1994 17:13:03 GMT Message-Id: <34i7uv$hud@mrnews.mro.dec.com> References: -- I've also noticed that Pine V3.90 is noticeably slower than V3.89, on both the DEC 3000/400 running OSF/1 V3.0 and on the DECstation 5000/200 running Ultrix V4.4. Invoking pine is comparable. Listing the folders is also. Where I notice a difference is closing folders, and especially when closing a folder that has deleted messages. Hopefully the V3.91 will fix this. Closing Pine also seems to take longer. I could run some benchmarks if you like as I have both sets of executables on both machines. Of course, if you have a remote NNTPSERVER and use Pine for news, the response slows dramatically. I don't use Pine for news because of this. Chris << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com 508.841.3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 14:20:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22344; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:20:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11772; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:11:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from peach.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11766; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:11:29 -0700 Received: by peach.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA12672; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:09:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:09:00 -0500 (CDT) From: GH Chinoy Subject: Bug in Pine 3.90 To: Pine Info List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone, I just compiled pine (build nxt) 3.90 and it seem to work flawlessly on our NeXT machines running NS 3.2 Apparently, though, users have been recieving this message right after they quit, after having marked some mail in their INBOXes deleted: Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. IOT trap. Any clues? Hussain Chinoy ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NEXTSTEP Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 14:37:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23133; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:37:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12095; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:28:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from haas.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12089; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:28:19 -0700 Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) id AA04203; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:28:17 -0700 From: philip@haas.berkeley.edu (Philip Enteles) Message-Id: <9409062128.AA04203@haas.berkeley.edu> Subject: unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 57 unsubscribe pine philip@haas.berkeley.edu Philip Enteles From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 15:18:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24915; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:18:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17712; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:10:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17706; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:10:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi8SJ-00000bC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: INBOX locked by other process? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com> That message means that another Pine session has the folder open, but is unable to release the lock. Do you have a session suspended in the background? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 6 Sep 1994, Mike Howerton wrote: > Today, out of the blue, I am getting an error when I attempt to start Pine. > > The error is... > 'can't open folder lock, access is readonly' > 'folder is open by another process, access is readonly' > > I get this on both my INBOX folder and my sent-mail folder. > > I checked and my sent-mail folder is both read and write enabled. > > > The only thing I can think of that changed is that I untarred a file to > my /tmp directory last week and hadn't ran Pine since then. > > I went back and deleted the files that came from the Tar but that didn't > correct the problem. > > > Any ideas?? > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 15:21:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25118; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:21:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13085; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:10:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13079; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:09:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi8Ry-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 14:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: INBOX locked by other process? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com> The message ``folder is open by another process'' is spurious (this bug will be fixed in Pine 3.91). The real problem is that it can not create the folder lock file on /tmp. Check the protections on /tmp as well as the results from ls -la /tmp The folder lock file will have a name such as /tmp/.600.8aef (that is, two hex numbers separated by periods). Remove any old folder lock files that you see on /tmp. -- Mark -- On 6 Sep 1994, Mike Howerton wrote: > > Today, out of the blue, I am getting an error when I attempt to start Pine. > > The error is... > 'can't open folder lock, access is readonly' > 'folder is open by another process, access is readonly' > > I get this on both my INBOX folder and my sent-mail folder. > > I checked and my sent-mail folder is both read and write enabled. > > > The only thing I can think of that changed is that I untarred a file to > my /tmp directory last week and hadn't ran Pine since then. > > I went back and deleted the files that came from the Tar but that didn't > correct the problem. > > > Any ideas?? > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 15:41:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26185; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:41:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18282; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:35:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18276; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:35:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi8oY-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 WHERE? Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:55:44 GMT Message-Id: <34idvg$50c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <34i3kb$gg9@koppel.East.Sun.COM> In article gg9@koppel.East.Sun.COM, sfrazz@tazman (Steve Frazzini - Sales Rep Sun Vienna Va.) writes: >I must have missed it, but where is pine 3.90? I have searched archie with >no luck. I apologize if this is old news or in the FAQ. > ftp.cac.washington.edu .... Later, Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar email: ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu CWRU Medical School telephone: (216) 368-3300 Department of Biochemistry fax: (216) 368-4544 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 15:42:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26222; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:42:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13561; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:35:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13541; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:35:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi8oI-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Re: ...filters [FAQ] Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 17:53:14 GMT Here are instructions for setting up a mail filter on your Unix host. This uses the filter option of the Elm mail reader... but the filter puts your mail into standard mail folders, and so once you have set up filter, you can read mail with Pine or Elm, etc. You can also setup the filter to forward mail from specified users, and so on. If you have suggestions for improving this document see the ftp location at the end. USING ELM'S FILTER PROGRAM TO FILTER INCOMING MAIL ================================================== 1] Note the full path for filter by typing: which filter If your system doesn't have filter ask your sys admin to install it. <<< filter is installed at /local/bin/filter >>> 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd <<< mine is ~ (~ means your home directory) >>> 3] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 4] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules: if (to contains "seasigi") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/INBOX.seasigi" if (to contains "lynx-dev") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/INBOX.lynx-dev" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/INBOX.www-talk" if (to contains "www-announce") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/INBOX.www-announce" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Unix mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). Note that ``to contains...'' means either the To or Cc header contains... <<< mine looks like this. (I'm on 3 mailing lists) if (to contains "consim") then save " ~/Mail/Inbox.consim-l" if (to contains "666th-etal") then save " ~/Mail/Inbox.airwarrior" if (to contains "GERMNEWS") then save "/bolero/home/jloll/Mail/germnews" >>> 5] To see what the filter rules will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 6] Create a ~/.forward file by typing: cd pico .forward 7] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" <<< and mine is "|/local/bin/filter -o /bolero/home/jloll/.elm/filter-errors" >>> Note you do want to include the quotes and you want to replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1) and replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Note that on some systems you will need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod +x . <<>> 8] Send yourself an email message to make sure that regular messages get through to your default inbox. 9] Regularly look at ~/.elm/filterlog and filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space! <<< purge them regularly. my filterlog is 25k for two days. >>> <<< Further notes: pine will send any mail not matching the descriptions to INBOX. pine will not notify you about about the new mail in the other boxes. It is best to keep incoming mail apart from the archived stuff. I have a Inbox.consim and save the interesting messages to the consim box after I have read them. >>> FOR MORE INFO SEE: man filter |less comp.mail.elm Elm Filter Guide I hope this helps. Please send me any suggestions for improving it - updated versions will be on ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail. -Nancy -- Nancy McGough, Infinite Ink -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 16:00:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27298; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:00:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14071; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:55:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14065; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:55:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi96K-00000bC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aa160@city.ac.uk (Anup M Changaroth) Subject: Re: Ispell 3.1.8 with PINE 3.90 Message-Id: References: Date: 6 Sep 94 18:32:01 GMT Keith K Chau writes: >Hi, >I have recently installed the lastest version of Ispell 3.1.8 to replace >the less advanced, GNU (discontinued) version 4.0. But I find that the new I can't quite remember the details, but you need to change the SPELLER definition in pine/osdep/os-linux.h to "ispell -l" instead of the default "spell". And recompile pine :) ps: my compliments to the pine team, 3.90 is excellent stuff. -- Anup M. Changaroth URL "http://web.cs.city.ac.uk/finger?aa160" aa160@city.ac.uk L i n u x - t h e l o g i c a l c h o i c e From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 16:20:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28144; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:20:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19144; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:15:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19138; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:15:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qi9R2-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: William Ono Subject: NEW flag in Saved messages Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In Pine 3.89, I used to take some inbound mail and sort them -- one mailing list in a folder, another in a different folder, and if it was directly to me, in my saved-messages folder. This was fine and dandy, because all mail tossed into the folders were flagged NEW, but now in Pine 3.90, all of a sudden, my tossed (saved into folder) mail isn't being makred New. Now I have no idea where I stopped reading from my folders! Erasing the mail after isn't really an option because I like being able to refer back to older mail (well, at least until my disk quota runs short ;> ). Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks in advance.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Ono - wmono@helix.net | | Finger for Mr Genius and Other E-Mail Addresses | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 17:14:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01013; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:14:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15930; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:10:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15924; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:10:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiAKF-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 16:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sp@questor.org Subject: X400 e-Mail doesn't display date or subject info Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:48:56 -0700 Message-Id: <34i318$qv@questor.org> I have noted that with several X400 e-Mails, neither the date nor the subjects are displayed when doing an "index" listing. Instead, one is shown the message: "[ No Message Text Available ] A copy of the headers from one such (typical) X400 e-Mail follows: > From the-concourse-on-high Tue Sep 6 08:42:29 1994 > > X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 06 Sep 94 14:23:00+0200 > X400-Received: by /PRMD=cnes/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 06 Sep 94 14:25:05+0200 > Message-Id: <9409061225.AA14413@scot.cnes.fr> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rustex-l > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 08:23:59 -0400 > Reply-To: Russian TeX and Cyrillic text processing list > > Sender: Russian TeX and Cyrillic text processing list > > From: Helene De BOISSEZON > Subject: Re: RUSSIAN COURSES > To: mailing list Is it possible that this will be fixed in an upcoming Pine release? -- FREE ACCESS TO E-MAIL & NEWS - INFO on Environment, Science, Medicine, AIDS, Native (Indigenous) Issues and more. We sell ZyXEL and other products world-wide to support this Free service. :::::> Info from: mail-server@questor.org <::::: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 17:15:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01067; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:15:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15904; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:09:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15898; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:09:09 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:06:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:06:38 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Nelson Chin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how to post a mail message in Pine? In-Reply-To: <34ia0v$6ls@news.bu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Sep 1994, Nelson Chin wrote: > how do i post or bounce a mail message to a newsgroup? While your cursor is in the header portion, use the ^R to show the additional headers. One of the is Newgroups. > also how can i reply/followup a newsgroup message and cc/bcc it to > other people? Just enter the addresses in the appropriate field in the header portion. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 17:16:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01111; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:16:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15995; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:12:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15989; Tue, 6 Sep 94 17:12:08 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:09:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:09:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ...filters [FAQ] In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just remember that the elm "filter" program *is* case sensitive when it comes to headers. For example, it matches on Cc: but not cc: or CC: This is one of the reasons I switched to procmail. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 18:24:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02685; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:24:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17024; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:20:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17018; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:20:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiBOi-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: anto@inn.bppt.go.id (Anto Daryanto) Subject: Swap key ^X ? Date: 6 Sep 1994 19:48:09 -0500 Message-Id: Hi, is possible to swap send-key to another key, I often press ^C to send mail instead of ^X. Thanks in advance, -anto =============================================================== | Antonius Daryanto | Direktorat TEI OS/2 | | a.daryanto@inn.bppt.go.id | BPPT Teknologi & | | | Jakarta, INDONESIA Linux | =============================================================== disclaimer: My opinion does not represent my employer's opinion From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 18:24:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02692; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:24:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21707; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:20:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21701; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:20:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiBOd-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sascjs@kingfish.unx.sas.com (Cliff Schell) Subject: Sort by the "to:" field... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 20:14:35 GMT Pine 3.90 seems to work fine on our HP-UX system... I have always wanted to sort my folder by the "To:" or "Reply to:" fields and was hoping it would be supported in 3.90 but I haven't seen a way to do it yet? Could someone tell me how to do it? Thanks, -- Cliff Schell (sascjs@unx.sas.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 18:46:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03177; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:46:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17400; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:43:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wor-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17394; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:43:10 -0700 Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (highway@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.8]) by wor-srv.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA11298 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:43:09 -0400 Received: (highway@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA08872; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:43:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Subject: ^O PostPone To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any reason why I can't use ^O on 3.90? John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* | WWW - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~highway (daily modifications) | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 19:02:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03552; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:02:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22226; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:55:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22220; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:55:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiBwR-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jazz@hebron.connected.com (Reid Cameron Conti) Subject: Yo all Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:15:48 -0700 Message-Id: <34j484$8ur@gibeah.connected.com> Problem with flagging.. I LOVE Pine 3.90.. Anyway, how do I move multiple messages using flag? What flag command do I use (REad, deleted, important), and then what is the command to move them to a different folder? And do I *shudder* have to UNFLAG them after moving so I don't accumulate flagged messages and keep moving the whole bunch to a folder where I only need a few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. a reply by email would be better, but you can reply here too.. IF its not too flooded with other messages to find what I want.. Thanks -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | jazz@gibeah.connected.com Prodigy, AOL, Netcom users: lamer@netcom.com | | http://gibeah.connected.com/~jazz/jazz.homepage.html | Long Live Dhall! | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 19:03:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03583; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:03:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17579; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:57:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17573; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:57:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiBz8-00000fC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nishri@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri) Subject: Re: INBOX locked by other process? Message-Id: References: <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:21:19 GMT In article <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com>, Mike Howerton wrote: >Today, out of the blue, I am getting an error when I attempt to start Pine. > >The error is... >'can't open folder lock, access is readonly' >'folder is open by another process, access is readonly' > >I get this on both my INBOX folder and my sent-mail folder. > >I checked and my sent-mail folder is both read and write enabled. > > >The only thing I can think of that changed is that I untarred a file to >my /tmp directory last week and hadn't ran Pine since then. > >I went back and deleted the files that came from the Tar but that didn't >correct the problem. > > >Any ideas?? You didn't specify if you were using imap to access folders. We were getting this problem with imapd 3.3 because there was a problem with its "kiss of death" routine. The first time you connected to your mailbox the imap process created a lockfile in /tmp containing its process-id; unfortunately the lockfile was marked unreadable by all other processes. If you tried to access the same folder concurrently from another Pine or ECSMail, the second imap couldn't read the file in /tmp and hence couldn't signal the first imap to let go of the lock. I don't believe this was fixed in imapd 3.4, but perhaps someone else knows better. (We have a non-standard fix on.) Alex Nishri University of Toronto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 19:18:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04120; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:18:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17796; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:12:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17790; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:12:03 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:09:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:09:31 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ^O PostPone In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, -sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. wrote: > Any reason why I can't use ^O on 3.90? Any reason why you didn't give more details about the failure? Tell us what platform you are using. Tell us what the sequence of events. FYI, I use it here on a SparcStation 20 running Solaris 2.3 without problems. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 19:22:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04272; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:22:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22677; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:15:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22671; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:15:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiCHL-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 18:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pcwizard@crl.com (David Reeve) Subject: Pine question:Auto-Answer ???? Date: 6 Sep 1994 18:27:56 -0700 Message-Id: <34j4us$7b6@crl.crl.com> Hello, I am trying to setup Pine to Auto-answer certain messages. So if someone sent me a message with the Subject: Apple Tree Pine would automatically send them a pre-determined document on apple trees. Likewise with other subjects... I believe that I need to edit/create a .forward file. Does anyone know how this is really done? Are there any disadvantages or known problems with this feature? Details appreciated. Thanks in advance. David Reeve pcwizard@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 19:37:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04561; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:37:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18066; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:30:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18058; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:30:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiCV3-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mawa@sun9.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Martin Walter) Subject: pine 3.90 and sun mailtool Date: 6 Sep 1994 17:39:46 GMT Message-Id: <34i9h2$kb5@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Could anybody send me a MAILCAP file which enables pine to understand 'metamails' sent by solaris 2.3 mailtool? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Martin Walter | mawa@uni-freiburg.de | Disclaimer: All above | | Hermann-Herder-Str.10 | University CC | is my opinion unless | | D-79104 Freiburg | +49 761 203 4651 | specified otherwise. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:15:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05208; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:15:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23413; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:10:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23407; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:10:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiD8A-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Sort Folder order Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There are not currently any options to alter the sort order of a Folder List, other than for news-collections. How would you want the folders ordered other than alphabetic? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Kevin J. Sinclair wrote: > > I understand in Pine how to sort the _message_ index within a folder. > > but what I want to do is sort the _folder_ index itself, and I can't see > how to do that. Can someone explain it to me? thanks, > > kevin > -- > Kevin > > Internet: kjs@computer.com > San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:20:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05424; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:20:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18719; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:15:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18709; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:15:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiDCO-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 19:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Select and skip forward. Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <9409010944.AA18304@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9409010944.AA18304@LL.MIT.EDU> This is on the list for future consideration as an option... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > When I press D in the index it marks the message as Deleted and moves > down to the next message. Is it possible to have this happen when I do a > select current? Maybe make it an option? This would make it easier to > select a batch of messages that have nothing in common. > > Thanks. > > ========================================================================== > James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Group 28 | > 244 Wood Street, MailStop: B-120 | (617) 981-2008 - office > Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax > ========================================================================== > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:31:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05717; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:31:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23691; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:25:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23685; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:25:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiDMo-00000ZC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sambvca@hebron.connected.com (Paul Langelier) Subject: convertion Date: 6 Sep 1994 16:57:17 -0700 Message-Id: <34ivkt$7i3@gibeah.connected.com> Is there a way to convert or import an ascii file containing a large number of user's addresses into a pine list format? -- Paul Langelier - Computer Wave Newspaper - System Manager P.O. Box 19491 - Seattle, WA 98109 - paul@computerwave.com Bus (206) 284-5476 - Fax (206) 283-1020 http://computerwave.com/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:31:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05748; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:31:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18891; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:25:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18885; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:25:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiDNJ-00000bC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pinerc??? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <347thc$2cr@crl2.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <347thc$2cr@crl2.crl.com> Is mail.crl.com configured as an IMAP server? Do you have inbox-path={mail.crl.com}INBOX (assuming that is where you recieve mail)? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Sep 1994, William M Davis wrote: > Could someone please help me with the proper syntax for constructing a > pinerc file for PcPine? My nntp server is nntp.crl.com & smtp is > mail.crl.com I am running the lastest version of Pine & Trumpet Winsock > V1.0a, I think:) After I estasblish the Slip connection and load Pine I > get several errors: ..nntp.. '] missing in context...I enclosed > nntp.crl.com in brackets and I think that took care of it, but I still > can't get Pine to find my INBOX or Folders on the Dial-up Server?? > > I have taken a wrong turn on the Information Superhighway;) could someone > please wash the windshield, check the air, and give me > directions:)))) > > Mike Davis > Lost in Time & Lost in Pine... > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:32:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05780; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:32:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18915; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:27:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18909; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:27:14 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:00:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:00:56 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Reid Cameron Conti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Yo all In-Reply-To: <34j484$8ur@gibeah.connected.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Sep 1994, Reid Cameron Conti wrote: > Problem with flagging.. I LOVE Pine 3.90.. Anyway, how do I move > multiple messages using flag? What flag command do I use (REad, deleted, > important), and then what is the command to move them to a different > folder? And do I *shudder* have to UNFLAG them after moving so I don't > accumulate flagged messages and keep moving the whole bunch to a folder > where I only need a few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. a reply > by email would be better, but you can reply here too.. IF its not too > flooded with other messages to find what I want.. > Thanks After you have used the ";" command to select a group of messages you can use the "A" command to apply an action to the selected group. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 20:32:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05824; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:32:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18922; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:27:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18916; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:27:19 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:05:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:05:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: David Reeve Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine question:Auto-Answer ???? In-Reply-To: <34j4us$7b6@crl.crl.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Sep 1994, David Reeve wrote: > I am trying to setup Pine to Auto-answer certain messages. > So if someone sent me a message with the Subject: Apple Tree > Pine would automatically send them a pre-determined document on apple trees. > Likewise with other subjects... > > I believe that I need to edit/create a .forward file. Does anyone > know how this is really done? Are there any disadvantages or known > problems with this feature? Details appreciated. Thanks in advance. Well, what you want to do is not done by pine. And, FYI, the .forward file is restricted to use with pine since the .forward has to do with "sendmail". Look into using the package known as "procmail" A recent version can be picked up at various comp.sources.misc archives. The latest version can be obtained directly from the ftp-archive at: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.225.3) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 21:01:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06570; Tue, 6 Sep 94 21:01:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24150; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:55:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24144; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:55:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiDrX-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: user-domain Date: 6 Sep 1994 23:29:22 GMT Message-Id: <34iu0i$msg@news.halcyon.com> References: I'm also having problems with my user-domain being used in the To line when I don't want it to be used. Here's my situation... I have my own domain name (ii.com) and a company (The Internet Company) that forwards mail sent to anything@ii.com to nancym@halcyon.com. So, I want my From line to always say: From: Nancy McGough But whenever I send mail to anyone without specifying a domain I want Pine to first check my addressbook and then if that name isn't in my addressbook I want Pine to either leave the name alone (i.e., don't add a domain name) or add the domain halcyon.com. So, for example, if I send mail to support I want the To line to look like one of these: To: support To: support@halcyon.com I've tried all combinations of user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch and use-only-domain-name and I always get the following: To: support@ii.com Any ideas on how I can get the behavior I want? Thanks, Nancy -- \ / Nancy McGough - OO - Infinite Ink / \ ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 21:16:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06938; Tue, 6 Sep 94 21:16:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19561; Tue, 6 Sep 94 21:11:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19551; Tue, 6 Sep 94 21:11:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiE3c-00000cC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 20:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us (susan h allen) Subject: Re: Connecting to NNTP Server Date: 7 Sep 1994 00:35:13 GMT Message-Id: <34j1s1$5tu@dns1.NMSU.Edu> References: In article , David L Miller says: > > >Try using "*{server/nntp:port}[*]" in the news-collections specification... > >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > >On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > >> Is there a way to tell pine to connect to an NNTP server that is not on >> the usual port 119? I can't figure out the proper way to configure in >> the .pinerc (if there is a way to do so). >> Thank You >> >> Joshua Hosseinoff >> hosseino@yu1.yu.edu >> >> >> Wouldn't you handle this in /etc/services? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 22:14:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08251; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:14:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20348; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:07:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias_129_179_30_16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20342; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:07:53 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:05:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:05:17 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: susan h allen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Connecting to NNTP Server In-Reply-To: <34j1s1$5tu@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Sep 1994, susan h allen wrote: > In article , David L Miller says: > > > > > >Try using "*{server/nntp:port}[*]" in the news-collections specification... > > > >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > >On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to tell pine to connect to an NNTP server that is not on > >> the usual port 119? I can't figure out the proper way to configure in > >> the .pinerc (if there is a way to do so). > >> Thank You > >> > >> Joshua Hosseinoff > >> hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > >> > >> > >> > Wouldn't you handle this in /etc/services? No. The /etc/services file would be used in setting up the server side. Since pine is a client....you would do it as David indicated. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 22:35:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08769; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:35:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25529; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:27:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25523; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:27:10 -0700 Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.8]) by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA28468 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:27:06 -0400 Received: (highway@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA22841; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:23:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:23:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "-sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." Subject: Sorry ... REPOST with details. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry about the previous brief message regarding ^O function. Here's the jist. I compiled two different versions of PINE ... one for Sparcstations 1(+) running SunOS4.13 and the other is for 486 running Linux 0.99pl13. Now, the ^O function works fine on the SunOS ... but it doesn't work on the Linux. Is it possible that the feature was forgotten on the lnx-os.h files? Basically, I'm able to toggle the ^O function on the SunOS but when I hit the same keys on for the pine on LINUX .. nothing. I hope this is a better detailed problem reporting? John "Highway" Wu | "To every thing there is a season, | Alpha Phi Omega highway@w3eax.umd.edu | and a time to every purpose under | Svc Fraternity 124 Englefield Drive | the heaven: A time to be born, | Univ of Maryland Gaithersburg, MD 20878 | and a time to die;" Eccles 3:1,2 | College Park, MD *----------------------*------------------------------------*----------------* | " ... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman | | without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so | | is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. " 1 Cor 11:11,12 | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* | WWW - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~highway (daily modifications) | *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 23:17:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09799; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:17:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26247; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:11:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26241; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:11:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiFvN-00000aC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 22:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jamesd@teleport.com (James Deibele) Subject: Way to force "jamesd" to "jamesd@teleport.com" in reply? Date: 6 Sep 1994 21:52:41 -0700 Message-Id: <34jgup$hm7@claudia.teleport.com> We've installed 3.90 and it seems like a solid release. One problem that I have is that we have a small cluster of user machines. A user might use any one of 4 machines. When doing a reply to another user who uses pine, the reply is fine. When doing a reply to a user who uses elm or Mail, the reply is not fine - when a user on the same system is involved, these programs give as the return address. Pine (and some other programs) give as the return address. Pine fills in the address as "jamesd@machine.teleport.com" which is not a valid address. "machine" is filled in with whichever machine the user happens to be on. We'd like to force pine to append "@teleport.com" when confronted with . This is the same behavior that Mail and elm have. We have the following set in "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf". # Domain name you are in e.g. nwnet.net, cac.washington.edu, bwc.org user-domain=teleport.com # Eliminate host part from hostname, using only domain part for domain name use-only-domain-name=yes Those two settings do NOT show up in the user's .pinerc even when the user invokes pine for the first time. I feel that they should and I'm concerned that pine reads the user's .pinerc and sees the empty fields on some options and unsets them. However even after setting the options in .pinerc we still have the same problem with the machine name showing up if there's not a FQDN on the address. Is there a way to force "jamesd" to be read as "jamesd@teleport.com"? Thanks. -- jamesd@teleport.com "4107 newsgroups & nothing on ..." Full internet (ftp, telnet, irc, ppp) available. Voice: (503) 223-4245 Portland: (503) 220-1016 2400, N81. Login as "new" to setup an account. Vancouver: (206) 260-0330 Salem: (503) 364-2028 FAX: (503) 223-4372 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 6 23:51:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10535; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:51:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21765; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:46:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21759; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:46:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiGST-00000YC; Tue, 6 Sep 94 23:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djb@sol.acs.unt.edu (Douglas J. Bateman) Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 Date: 7 Sep 94 03:46:02 GMT Message-Id: References: I've got the same problem building 3.90 on SunOS 4.1.2 compatible box. Found a workaround after sweating bullets, THEN I found a possible answer in the post by Alain Robiete(sp?) subj: Abort problem on Solaris. Has to do with adding a particular string-handling parameter to GCCs commandline and recompiling. Can't wait to see if I could have saved myself hours of tracking down a workaround! :-( Oh, wait! I'm paid by the hour! :-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 02:48:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14984; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:48:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29285; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:41:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29279; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:41:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiJET-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hannu@profix.sypress.fi (Hannu Matala) Subject: Problems with ^X under PW sethost emulator Date: 7 Sep 1994 08:53:10 GMT Message-Id: <34jv1m$h12@idefix.eunet.fi> When using sethost-terminal emulator over CTERM to Ultrix 4.3 host and using Pine 3.89, sending with ^X don't work at all ! Has anyone noticed this thing and corrected it ? Please answer by mail, since I usually don't follow this newsgroup. Hannu -- ------------------------------------------------------- Hannu Matala SyPress Oy Ahjotie 1 90150 Oulu, Finland tel. +358-81-53 77 632 FAX: +358-81-53 77 650 Hannu.Matala@sypress.fi ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 03:03:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15281; Wed, 7 Sep 94 03:03:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24366; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:56:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24360; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:56:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiJUl-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 02:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) Subject: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Date: 7 Sep 1994 09:36:39 GMT Message-Id: <34k1j7$3i8@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> I am trying to compile Pine on an ICL DRS6000 machine. This runs SVR4 (version 7?). To Build pine I used: build sv4 It compiles fine until it reaches the Pine directory. Below is the output that Build gives. I have turned on extra debug info. from the compiler where this error is. It complains about 'system' and 'rename' being redeclared. Has anybody else seen this problem and know of a fix. Otherwise, I will have to do some serious digging. Output from "Build sv4": ======================== make args are "CC=cc" Making c-client library and mtest `mtest' is up to date. Making Imapd cd ../c-client;make `mtest' is up to date. cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` Making Pico Making Pine. cc -H -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -c addrbook.c /headers.h /usr/include/stdio.h /os.h /usr/include/pwd.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/select.h /usr/include/stdio.h /usr/include/sys/wait.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/siginfo.h /usr/include/sys/procset.h /usr/include/sys/stat.h /usr/include/sys/time.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/time.h /usr/include/fcntl.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/netdb.h /usr/include/time.h /usr/include/sys/time.h /usr/include/signal.h /usr/include/sys/signal.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/procset.h /usr/include/sys/param.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /../c-client/mail.h /../c-client/osdep.h /usr/include/string.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/stdlib.h "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 94: identifier redeclared: system /usr/include/dirent.h /usr/include/sys/dirent.h /usr/include/fcntl.h /usr/include/unistd.h /usr/include/sys/unistd.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/types.h "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 121: identifier redeclared: rename /usr/include/time.h /usr/include/sys/utime.h /usr/include/sys/types.h /usr/include/sys/uio.h /../c-client/rfc822.h /usr/include/ctype.h /usr/include/errno.h /usr/include/sys/errno.h /usr/include/setjmp.h /pine.h /context.h /helptext.h /adrbklib.h "addrbook.c", line 200: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast "addrbook.c", line 204: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: cannot open bin/mtest: 250006 + 21440 + 3020 = 274466 bin/imapd: 250706 + 21856 + 11028 = 283590 bin/pico: 110073 + 26412 + 22912 = 159397 Done Richard ------------------------------------------ Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.) Fisons Surface Systems (was VG Scientific) Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074 EMail: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only) Compuserve: 100065,132 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 04:29:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18170; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:29:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00949; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00943; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiKoN-00000ZC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" Subject: Re: pine 3.0 performance Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:09:45 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: References: <34i7uv$hud@mrnews.mro.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34i7uv$hud@mrnews.mro.dec.com> On 6 Sep 1994, Christofer deHahn wrote: > Of course, if you have a remote NNTPSERVER and use Pine for news, the > response slows dramatically. I don't use Pine for news because of this. > > Chris I am reading news from a remote machine and I can't say it is so "dramatically" slow. Actually, works fine. Maybe you have a poor link with the news server? Mihai L. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 04:30:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18231; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:30:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25713; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25707; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiKoJ-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" Subject: Re: Supported terminal types Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:52:42 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Yours Truly wrote: > Will someone please help with the following question from a Pine 3.89 user? > > Thanks! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > What valid terminal types, other than vt100, are valid for use with > pine/pico? pine/pico didn't like vt220. Try specifying your terminal as vt200 or even vt100. Mihai L. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 04:30:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18233; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:30:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00941; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00935; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:23:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiKnz-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jpll@vectorbd.com (Jim Lill) Subject: Unix Piping Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 20:53:56 GMT Message-Id: How can I control the enable-unix-pipe-cmd state> I mostly want it OFF for most users as they are in a shell. I've thought I understood pine.conf.fixed but I guess not! Tnx.... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Lill / Vector Board BBS \ jpll@vectorbd.com \ 716-544-1863/2645 / wa2zkd@wb2psi.#wny.usa.na GEnie: ZKD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 04:41:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18591; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:41:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25840; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:31:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25832; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:31:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiKxW-00000aC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morris@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Law Mow-man) Subject: Re: PINE on HP 735 Workstation Date: 7 Sep 1994 07:55:27 GMT Message-Id: <34jrlf$1dp4@ctsc.hkbc.hk> References: <34f5ar$37i@cnj.digex.net> Paul Mayerowitz] (mayer@cnj.digex.net) wrote: > We would like to run PINE on a HP 735 workstation running HP-UX version > 9.04. Does anyone know where we can obtain a clean copy copy of the > source code or a compiled version of the code? Thank you. Try to see the HP archive centre at U.K., U.S. or France. The URL is U.K.: hpux.csc.liv.ac.uk Germany : hpux.ask.uni.karisruhe.de US : ftp.cae.wisc.edu France : hpux.cict.fr ftp://hpux9/Users/pine-3.90.tar.gz Regards, -- Morris Law Technician / Demonstrator Address : 224 Waterloo Road, KLN, Hong Kong Department of Mathematics Tel : (852) 3397026 Fax : (852) 3388014 Hong Kong Baptist College Email : morris@math.hkbc.hk ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 04:49:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18811; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:49:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25991; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:42:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ilium.troy.msen.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25985; Wed, 7 Sep 94 04:42:15 -0700 Received: from boozsh by ilium.troy.msen.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qiLNG-0002nXC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:41 EDT Received: from fugu.frc.com by boozsh.frc.com with smtp (Smail3.1.27.1 #2) id m0qiLHd-0006zcC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:35 EDT Received: by fugu.frc.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA12202; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:35:21 EDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Syed A. Nabi" Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig To: Mauricio Araujo , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Syed A. Nabi wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:54:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: Syed A. Nabi > To: Mauricio Araujo > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig > > Sep 1994, Mauricio Araujo wrote: > > > Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:33:31 -0500 > > From: Mauricio Araujo > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Re: .sig, .sig, .sig > > > > Rob Bidleman (robbee@crl.com) wrote: > > : I have waited several weeks before reposting this...I still can't get my > > : .sig to get added at the END of my replies. > > > > In the configuration of Pine there is an option to put your ".signature" > > file at the end of your replies. > > -- > > > > > > > > ============================================================================= > > Opinions not necessarily those of the author ;) > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Try the following in your .pinerc > > # Name of file to read signature out of for inclusion in outgoing mail > signature-file=/pde1/nabisa/.signature ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Opps! Obviously this should be the place where your .signature file resides. > > feature-list=old-growth, > signature-at-bottom > > That will work. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syed A. Nabi | Internet : nabisa@frc.com | sanabi@vela.acs.oakland.edu FANUC Robotics North America, Inc. | BITNET : SANABI@OAKLAND 2000 S. Adams Road | Voice : +1 (810) 377-7718 Auburn Hills, MI-48326 | +1 (810) 589-3402 | Fax : +1 (810) 377-7363 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 06:29:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21720; Wed, 7 Sep 94 06:29:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02719; Wed, 7 Sep 94 06:23:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02713; Wed, 7 Sep 94 06:23:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiMdS-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 06:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Date: 7 Sep 1994 12:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> References: <34k1j7$3i8@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> OOPs, forgot to mention, I have pine distribution 3.85. Is there a newer vsersion? Richard ------------------------------------------ Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.) Fisons Surface Systems (was VG Scientific) Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074 EMail: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only) Compuserve: 100065,132 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 07:29:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23372; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:29:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03517; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:17:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03511; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:17:26 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00761; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:17:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Alex Nishri Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: INBOX locked by other process? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alex, Mark tells me that he fixed the bug you described some time ago, so the current distribution should be setting protections on the lockfiles correctly. -teg On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Alex Nishri wrote: > In article <34icho$ahc@herald.indirect.com>, > Mike Howerton wrote: > >Today, out of the blue, I am getting an error when I attempt to start Pine. > > > >The error is... > >'can't open folder lock, access is readonly' > >'folder is open by another process, access is readonly' > > > >I get this on both my INBOX folder and my sent-mail folder. > > > >I checked and my sent-mail folder is both read and write enabled. > > > > > >The only thing I can think of that changed is that I untarred a file to > >my /tmp directory last week and hadn't ran Pine since then. > > > >I went back and deleted the files that came from the Tar but that didn't > >correct the problem. > > > > > >Any ideas?? > > You didn't specify if you were using imap to access folders. We were getting > this problem with imapd 3.3 because there was a problem with its "kiss of > death" routine. The first time you connected to your mailbox the imap > process created a lockfile in /tmp containing its process-id; unfortunately > the lockfile was marked unreadable by all other processes. If you tried to > access the same folder concurrently from another Pine or ECSMail, the second > imap couldn't read the file in /tmp and hence couldn't signal the first imap > to let go of the lock. I don't believe this was fixed in imapd 3.4, but > perhaps someone else knows better. (We have a non-standard fix on.) > > Alex Nishri > University of Toronto > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 08:13:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24581; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:13:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04217; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:59:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04205; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:59:39 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01501; Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:59:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: susan h allen , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Connecting to NNTP Server In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ed, There was an inadvertent transposition of port and flag in David's posting. So, per the author of that section of code: > The spec for .pinerc is: *{:/nntp}[] > e.g. *{news.foo.bar:123/nntp}[] Alternatively, for the nntp-server variable, just add the ":port" to the end, e.g. nntp-server=news.foo.bar:123 This is needed for posting, and will also take care of newsreading in the default case, where you don't specify any news-collections separately. Note that you need to restart Pine for a change in port specification to take effect, even though Pine doesn't tell you that. -teg On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 7 Sep 1994, susan h allen wrote: > > > David L Miller says: > > > > > >Try using "*{server/nntp:port}[*]" in the news-collections specification... > > > > > >On Thu, 1 Sep 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > > > > > >> Is there a way to tell pine to connect to an NNTP server that is not on > > >> the usual port 119? I can't figure out the proper way to configure in > > >> the .pinerc (if there is a way to do so). > > >> Thank You > > >> > > Wouldn't you handle this in /etc/services? > > No. The /etc/services file would be used in setting up the > server side. Since pine is a client....you would do it as David indicated. > > Ed > > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 08:35:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25495; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:35:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29364; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29358; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:23:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiOXw-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 08:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Re: Sort Folder order Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:31:12 GMT David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : There are not currently any options to alter the sort order of a Folder List, : other than for news-collections. How would you want the folders ordered : other than alphabetic? : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) : University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 : 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA : On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Kevin J. Sinclair wrote: : > : > I understand in Pine how to sort the _message_ index within a folder. : > : > but what I want to do is sort the _folder_ index itself, and I can't see : > how to do that. Can someone explain it to me? thanks, : > : > kevin : > -- : > Kevin : > : > Internet: kjs@computer.com : > San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) : > : > -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 09:26:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28448; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:26:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06334; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:18:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from class.class.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06326; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:18:33 -0700 Received: (from malcor@localhost) by class.class.org (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA08516; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:18:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Malcor Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running on an RS/6000 980 using AIX 3.2.4ish. Nothing too unsusal, but when I do the exact same steps as you detail below I get an appended message not an overwrite. On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 6 Sep 1994, Dan Malcor-LA Times wrote: > > > Seems the option to "O"verwrite and existing file from the message "E"xport > > function does and Append instead. Am I alone in this bug? > > A simple test here: > > 1. Export message to new file. > > 2. Export another message to same file. > > 3. Choose Overwrite. > > 4. Worked fine here..... > > Can you supply more details on your environment? > > Ed > > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 10:06:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00742; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:06:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01601; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:57:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01595; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:57:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiQ0i-00000hC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pinef 3.90 and terminfo Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34f727$46s@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34f727$46s@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> The function key assignments in Pine are currently fixed. Neither terminfo nor termcap are consulted. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 5 Sep 1994, Martin Walter wrote: > How can I get pine 3.90 to look into terminfo for > function key definitions? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Martin Walter | mawa@uni-freiburg.de | Disclaimer: All above | > | Hermann-Herder-Str.10 | University CC | is my opinion unless | > | D-79104 Freiburg | +49 761 203 4651 | specified otherwise. | > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 10:11:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00972; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:11:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07145; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:57:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07139; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:57:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiQ0e-00000fC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34k1j7$3i8@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> 1. Get Pine 3.90 from ftp.cac.washington.edu. 2. Add "-Dconst=" to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sv4 before building. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 7 Sep 1994, Richard Giles wrote: > OOPs, forgot to mention, I have pine distribution 3.85. Is there a newer > vsersion? > > Richard > > ------------------------------------------ > Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.) > Fisons Surface Systems (was VG Scientific) > Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074 > EMail: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk > or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only) > Compuserve: 100065,132 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 10:13:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01023; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:13:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07316; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:03:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07310; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:03:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiQ66-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 09:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: malcor@class.class.org (Dan Malcor-LA Times) Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 (in AIX?) Date: 7 Sep 1994 16:31:08 GMT Message-Id: <34kpsc$gp7@news.cerf.net> References: <34hskn$o2j@news.cerf.net> I am running AIX 3.2.4(ish). I have tried exactly the steps below and I still get an append. Sigh! It sounds like I am alone. Any other AIXers running Pine 3.90 out there want to test this? Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: : On 6 Sep 1994, Dan Malcor-LA Times wrote: : > Seems the option to "O"verwrite and existing file from the message "E"xport : > function does and Append instead. Am I alone in this bug? : A simple test here: : 1. Export message to new file. : 2. Export another message to same file. : 3. Choose Overwrite. : 4. Worked fine here..... : Can you supply more details on your environment? : Ed : Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce : Control Data Asia/Pacific Region : Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 : FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C -- ====================================================================== Dan Malcor | Los Angeles Times - Editorial Systems Internet: malcor@class.org | Systems Analyst / Programmer From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 10:44:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02774; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:44:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02437; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:35:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02431; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:35:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiQXu-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey) Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Date: 7 Sep 1994 08:15:13 -0700 Message-Id: <34kle1$nm@bb10c.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <34k1j7$3i8@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> In <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> giles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) writes: >OOPs, forgot to mention, I have pine distribution 3.85. Is there a newer >vsersion? Pine 3.90 is the latest version. I have some modifications to Pine's somewhat awkward SVR4 support. Whoever produced the original SVR4 port did it assuming a non-ANSI C compiler! I cannot really believe this since *all* C compilers for SVR4 that I know of support ANSI C (the AT&T compiler supports ANSI, gcc supports ANSI, etc.) Anywya, I have patches to convert the non-ANSI SVR4 Pine into ANSI. I plan to send them to the maintainers as soon as I get some spare time, hopefully by the end of the week. I'll try to post them here also. /Joe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 10:54:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03244; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:54:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02633; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:44:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02627; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:44:27 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa09131; 7 Sep 94 13:44 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA21116; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:44:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Daniel Malcor wrote: > > I am running on an RS/6000 980 using AIX 3.2.4ish. Nothing too unsusal, > but when I do the exact same steps as you detail below I get an appended > message not an overwrite. > I just tried the same test on my RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4 and got the same (wrong) results: choosing O(verwrite) Appends. > > > > A simple test here: > > > > 1. Export message to new file. > > > > 2. Export another message to same file. > > > > 3. Choose Overwrite. > > > > 4. Worked fine here..... > > - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 11:14:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04451; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:14:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08370; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:52:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08364; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:52:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiQrM-00000fC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 10:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx (Juan M. Courcoul) Subject: Can't build pine under VAX/Ultrix 4.3 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 11:14:55 -0600 Message-Id: Sorry if this is a FAQ and sorry for the long post, but is there any gotchas in getting Pine 3.90 to build on a MicroVAX 3100 running Ultrix 4.3 (Rev. 44) ? I have tried to carry out the build, using the "vul" predefined configuration, with no success with regards to the pine executable. Since the standard cc didn't work, I tried with gcc, also installed on the machine, but that didn't work either. imap and pico build correctly with either compiler, though. Here are the corresponding failures: Like I mentioned, imap and pico do build correctly; what's more, imapd is now running happily on the machine (Stanford's Mailstrom provided an excellent testing base). First try, using standard cc: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-ult.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c addrbook.c "addrbook.c", line 7139: warning: illegal pointer combination "addrbook.c", line 7217: warning: illegal pointer combination "addrbook.c", line 7287: warning: illegal pointer combination "addrbook.c", line 7353: warning: illegal pointer combination "addrbook.c", line 7523: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c adrbklib.c "adrbklib.c", line 780: warning: illegal pointer combination "adrbklib.c", line 1393: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c args.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c context.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c filter.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c folder.c "folder.c", line 3955: warning: illegal pointer combination "folder.c", line 4025: warning: illegal pointer combination "folder.c", line 4089: warning: illegal pointer combination "folder.c", line 4143: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c helptext.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c imap.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c init.c "init.c", line 2338: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailcap.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailcmd.c "mailcmd.c", line 4181: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailindx.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailpart.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailview.c "mailview.c", line 1916: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 1919: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 1920: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 1925: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 2016: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 2375: warning: illegal pointer combination "mailview.c", line 2602: warning: illegal pointer combination cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c newmail.c cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c other.c "other.c", line 588: warning: enumeration type clash, operator == "other.c", line 1746: illegal comparison of enums "other.c", line 1747: warning: enumeration type clash, operator = *** Error code 1 Stop. Second try, now using gcc 2.5.2 (this was done just changing "CC=gcc" in build; perhaps I need some extra options ?): Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-ult.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c addrbook.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from addrbook.c:65: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c adrbklib.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from adrbklib.c:53: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c args.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from args.c:59: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c context.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from context.c:44: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c filter.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from filter.c:78: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c folder.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from folder.c:69: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c help.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from help.c:59: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c helptext.c gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c imap.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from imap.c:65: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' imap.c: In function `mm_log': imap.c:170: warning: passing arg 1 of `localtime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c init.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from init.c:80: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' init.c: In function `expire_sent_mail': init.c:3241: warning: passing arg 1 of `localtime' from incompatible pointer type init.c: In function `init_debug': init.c:3508: warning: passing arg 1 of `ctime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailcap.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from mailcap.c:76: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailcmd.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from mailcmd.c:64: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' mailcmd.c: In function `cmd_export': mailcmd.c:2322: warning: passing arg 1 of `ctime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailindx.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from mailindx.c:63: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailpart.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from mailpart.c:59: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c mailview.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from mailview.c:60: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c newmail.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from newmail.c:60: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c other.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from other.c:61: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c pine.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from pine.c:56: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c print.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from print.c:66: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c reply.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from reply.c:74: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' reply.c: In function `generate_message_id': reply.c:2091: warning: passing arg 1 of `localtime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c screen.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from screen.c:63: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c send.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from send.c:59: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c signals.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from signals.c:66: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' signals.c: In function `do_suspend': signals.c:348: warning: passing arg 1 of `ctime' from incompatible pointer type signals.c:367: warning: passing arg 1 of `ctime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c status.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from status.c:62: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' status.c: In function `display_message': status.c:416: warning: passing arg 1 of `ctime' from incompatible pointer type gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c strings.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from strings.c:79: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c ttyin.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from ttyin.c:64: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c ttyout.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from ttyout.c:88: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' cd osdep; make includer os-ult.c; cd .. gcc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-ult.ic > os-ult.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-ult.c os.c gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c os.c In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:45, from headers.h:78, from os.c:112: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcpy' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:78: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:79: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strcmp' /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/vax-dec-ultrix4.3/2.5.2/include/string.h:85: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c gcc -c -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" date.c gcc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o print.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.o ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib Undefined: _authenticate_user collect2: ld returned 1 exit status *** Error code 1 Stop. Muchas gracias in advance for your kind help. -- Juan M. Courcoul courcoul@itesmcq1.qro.itesm.mx Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey Campus Queretaro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 11:14:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04463; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:14:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03032; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:03:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nic.hq.cic.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03026; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:03:03 -0700 Received: (from holbrook@localhost) by nic.hq.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA28268; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:01:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Holbrook To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: using mbox driver - any other steps needed? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A recent message noted that you can now build 3.90 with the mbox driver by adding mboxdriver as a parameter to the BUILD line. I tried doing that, and I have a zero length mbox file in my home directory, but pine isn't moving the mail from /var/spool/mail into that file. Is there anything else I have to do? J. Paul Holbrook CICNet Network Services Manager holbrook@cic.net (313) 998-7680 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 11:57:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06522; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:57:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04253; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:50:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04245; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:50:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiRep-00000sC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: donm@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Don C. Miller) Subject: default-composer-hdrs Date: 7 Sep 1994 17:52:57 GMT Message-Id: <34kulp$akl@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> I have my default-composer-hdrs set to default-composer-hdrs=To:,Bcc:,Attchmnt:,Subject and it gives me an error message saying: No default-composer-hdrs match displaying defaults and it gives me the old ones! What am I or it doing wrong. I manually edited .pinerc and used the config option in setup!!! Acckkkkk. -- Don Miller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::: :::::::: :::: ::: mille932@cs.uidaho.edu :+: :+: :+: :+: :+:+: :+: donm@uidaho.edu +:+ +:+ +:+ +:+ :+:+:+ +:+ mill9372@uidaho.edu +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ don_miller@uidaho.edu +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+#+# donm@aspen.csrv.uidaho.edu #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+#+# mille932@novell.uidaho.edu ######### ######## ### #### http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~mille932 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:01:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06901; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:01:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09915; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:54:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09904; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:54:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiRoN-00000tC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: William C Waggoner Subject: Q: Subj/OrdSubj diff? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I apoligize if this is a FAQ but can someone explain the difference between the Subject sort and the OrderedSubject sort? From my untrained eye the OS sort just messes everything up. Bill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:03:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07230; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:03:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09979; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:57:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09973; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:56:58 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA23745; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:38:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: Swap key ^X ? To: Anto Daryanto Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Sep 1994, Anto Daryanto wrote: > is possible to swap send-key to another key, I often press ^C to send > mail instead of ^X. This has been brought up before; the answer has always been "No." ;{(. Not only does the "X" key proximity to the "C" key lead one to often press "Ctrl-C" when they mean "Ctrl-X" [and of course you ALWAYS follow "Ctrl-X" with "y" as a matter of habit... ;{(!] but those people used to EMACS REALLY have to be careful because "Ctrl-X Ctrl-C" is the "exit" command in EMACS. Sigh... Pine is a great product, and in despite of this annoyance I use it constantly. *THANKS* to the Pine development team for making such a useful utility available! I would ask them, however, to reconsider their stand on programmable keys... At least on SOME programmable keys??? :{) Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:06:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07313; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:06:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04472; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:59:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04462; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:59:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiRsz-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: default-composer-hdrs Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34kulp$akl@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34kulp$akl@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> Pine 3.90 has a bug that does not allow ':' in the default-composer-hdrs... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 7 Sep 1994, Don C. Miller wrote: > I have my default-composer-hdrs set to > default-composer-hdrs=To:,Bcc:,Attchmnt:,Subject > and it gives me an error message saying: > No default-composer-hdrs match displaying defaults > and it gives me the old ones! What am I or it doing wrong. I manually > edited .pinerc and used the config option in setup!!! > > Acckkkkk. > > -- > Don Miller > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ::::::::: :::::::: :::: ::: mille932@cs.uidaho.edu > :+: :+: :+: :+: :+:+: :+: donm@uidaho.edu > +:+ +:+ +:+ +:+ :+:+:+ +:+ mill9372@uidaho.edu > +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ don_miller@uidaho.edu > +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+#+# donm@aspen.csrv.uidaho.edu > #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+#+# mille932@novell.uidaho.edu > ######### ######## ### #### http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~mille932 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:16:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07733; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:16:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04732; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:09:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04726; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:09:07 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09474; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:09:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Don C. Miller" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: default-composer-hdrs In-Reply-To: <34kulp$akl@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's a bug in 3.90 where the colons confuse Pine. This will be fixed in 3.91, but the work-around is to delete the colons. -teg On 7 Sep 1994, Don C. Miller wrote: > I have my default-composer-hdrs set to > default-composer-hdrs=To:,Bcc:,Attchmnt:,Subject > and it gives me an error message saying: > No default-composer-hdrs match displaying defaults > and it gives me the old ones! What am I or it doing wrong. I manually > edited .pinerc and used the config option in setup!!! > > Acckkkkk. > > -- > Don Miller > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ::::::::: :::::::: :::: ::: mille932@cs.uidaho.edu > :+: :+: :+: :+: :+:+: :+: donm@uidaho.edu > +:+ +:+ +:+ +:+ :+:+:+ +:+ mill9372@uidaho.edu > +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ +:+ +#+ don_miller@uidaho.edu > +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+ +#+#+# donm@aspen.csrv.uidaho.edu > #+# #+# #+# #+# #+# #+#+# mille932@novell.uidaho.edu > ######### ######## ### #### http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~mille932 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:18:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07812; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:18:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04869; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:14:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04863; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:14:05 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA18103; Wed, 7 Sep 94 15:12:18 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA16867; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:13:58 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03391; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:13:57 CDT Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 14:13:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: newbie imap/pcpine problems Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am successfully running PINE on 4 unix machines(HP-UX V8.0, 2 SunOS 4.1.3 and linux (debian) kernel 0.99.14. Since I like PINE so well on the unix boxes, I thought it might be nice to offer this to some of our users that use PCs for the most part and have no need (other than mail) to log into either our VAX(yuk) or a unix box. Enter PC-PINE and imapd. The PCs are running Pathwork's V4.1 for DecNet and Trumpet's winsock.dll for TCP/IP under windows. I know that the winsock.dll is working because I can use xwin, wftpd, winftp32 and WinMosaic which all use winsock. The problem I see when I start PC-PINE is Can't connect to livingstone.ttd.teradyne.com:143: Refused 10061 I have done a little work in an attempt to see if things are setup correctly. In /etc/inetd.conf I added the following line: imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/bin/imapd imapd and in /etc/services I added: imap 143/tcp On one of the unix systems I modified my configuration so that my inbox is inbox-path = {livingstone.ttd.teradyne.com}/usr/spool/mail/kenny With this done, I get connected to my inbox fine from the unix box. I have taken that .pinerc file and used it with PCPINE and I get the same error message. I assume that I must be missing something very simple. Can someone please point this out? Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 12:32:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08324; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:32:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05059; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:25:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05053; Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:25:43 -0700 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA07558 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:25:39 -0700 Received: by parr.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA182073; Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:02:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy McNiece To: Dan Malcor-LA Times Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 (in AIX?) In-Reply-To: <34kpsc$gp7@news.cerf.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ran the same test here. The overwrite actually appends. _____________________________________________________________________________ Andy McNiece, Parr Lumber Co. andym@parr.com 219 SW 185th Avenue Phone 503-645-1188 Aloha, Oregon USA Fax 503-629-8635 On 7 Sep 1994, Dan Malcor-LA Times wrote: > I am running AIX 3.2.4(ish). I have tried exactly the steps below and I > still get an append. Sigh! It sounds like I am alone. Any other AIXers running > Pine 3.90 out there want to test this? > > Ed Greshko (egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com) wrote: > : On 6 Sep 1994, Dan Malcor-LA Times wrote: > : > Seems the option to "O"verwrite and existing file from the message "E"xport > : > function does and Append instead. Am I alone in this bug? > : A simple test here: > : 1. Export message to new file. > : 2. Export another message to same file. > : 3. Choose Overwrite. > : 4. Worked fine here..... > : Can you supply more details on your environment? > : Ed > : Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > : Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > : Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > : FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > -- > ====================================================================== > Dan Malcor | Los Angeles Times - Editorial Systems > Internet: malcor@class.org | Systems Analyst / Programmer > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 13:42:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11789; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:42:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12154; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:29:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12148; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:29:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiTJX-00000aC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lou@ncinfo (Lou Sortman) Subject: I need a simple DOS mail client that speaks SMTP Date: 7 Sep 1994 19:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <34l5oe$13s8@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> The simpler, the better. Something like plain UNIX mail would be great, but I need to do this under DOS. I looked at Pine, but I can't fudge it into a pseudo-batch mode. Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 13:58:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12507; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:58:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12505; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:42:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12499; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:42:15 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12685; Wed, 7 Sep 94 13:41:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Nancy McGough Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: user-domain In-Reply-To: <34iu0i$msg@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nancy, There is a compile-time option to enable you to tweak the From: line via the custom-headers variable. (And, less elegantly, there is always Reply-To) -teg On 6 Sep 1994, Nancy McGough wrote: > I'm also having problems with my user-domain being used in the To line > when I don't want it to be used. Here's my situation... > > I have my own domain name (ii.com) and a company (The Internet Company) > that forwards mail sent to anything@ii.com to nancym@halcyon.com. So, > I want my From line to always say: > > From: Nancy McGough > > But whenever I send mail to anyone without specifying a domain I want > Pine to first check my addressbook and then if that name isn't in > my addressbook I want Pine to either leave the name alone (i.e., > don't add a domain name) or add the domain halcyon.com. So, for > example, if I send mail to support I want the To line to look like > one of these: > > To: support > To: support@halcyon.com > > I've tried all combinations of user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch and > use-only-domain-name and I always get the following: > > To: support@ii.com > > > Any ideas on how I can get the behavior I want? > > Thanks, > Nancy > > -- > \ / Nancy McGough > - OO - Infinite Ink > / \ ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 14:59:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15075; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:59:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13940; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:45:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13934; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:45:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiUSq-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kylemill@crl.com (Kyle A. Miller) Subject: TIA and PC Pine 3.9--WORKS?? Date: 7 Sep 1994 20:50:34 GMT Message-Id: <34l92q$920@nntp.crl.com> Has anyone been able to get PC Pine 3.9 to work with CRL and TIA? I can't get the mail or newsreader to work. I need an IMAP server address along with an INBOX path. For the newsreader, I tried to get a list of the newsgroups by expanding to list them, but nothing happens. There is a little communication, but that's it. Nothing else. It says I should hit there again to re-expand. Help! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 14:59:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15126; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:59:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08340; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:45:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08332; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:45:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiUSn-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: selby@lenti.med.umn.edu (Scott Selby (Med Heme)) Subject: .sig file problems Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 20:42:30 GMT Help! I'm having problems with my .sig file. It looks jumbled to anyone who is using PopMail. What's the answer? -- ============================================================================== (86098)o%:%o9 || Scott A. Selby 6098)o%:::%o(860 ==== University of Minnesota 098)o%:::%o(8609 | |__ Department of Medicine/Hematology 6o%:%o(86098) | |-.\ Box 480 UMHC/ 14-157 PWB (86098)o |__| \\ 516 Delaware Street Southeast 6098)o%::%o9 || || Minneapolis, MN 55455 098)o%::::::%o9 ======__| (612)624-7612 6o%::::::%o(860 ________||__ selby@lenti.med.umn.edu 6o%::%o(8609 /____________\ o(86098) (86098)o%:%o9 ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 18:24:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23728; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:24:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12712; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:04:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eng.infinet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12706; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:04:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:03:32 -400 (EDT) From: "Steven E. Frazier" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Numbers Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use to be able to have 50+ messages and if I wanted to go to message 5 I just typed "5" and it would go there, now it says it doesn't understand, any ideas how to get that feature back, please? Thanks. Steve From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 19:05:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24596; Wed, 7 Sep 94 19:05:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19321; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:55:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19315; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:55:28 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:33:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 23:33:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine 3.0 performance In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Mihai T. LAZARESCU wrote: > On 6 Sep 1994, Christofer deHahn wrote: > > > Of course, if you have a remote NNTPSERVER and use Pine for news, the > > response slows dramatically. I don't use Pine for news because of this. > > > > Chris > > I am reading news from a remote machine and I can't say it is so > "dramatically" slow. Actually, works fine. Maybe you have a poor link > with the news server? I concur. I have a 64KB link to my newserver. Tin and pine are equally "fast", Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 19:05:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24619; Wed, 7 Sep 94 19:05:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19335; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:56:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19329; Wed, 7 Sep 94 18:55:58 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:38:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 23:38:03 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Richard Giles Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! In-Reply-To: <34kcqh$7tm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Sep 1994, Richard Giles wrote: > OOPs, forgot to mention, I have pine distribution 3.85. Is there a newer > vsersion? Yes! Pine is now at 3.90. Please grab it from ftp.cac.washington.edu and try to compile. Some of the errors are similar to what I'm seeing on a MIPS machine. Maybe when you fix it on your machine you'll fix my problem as well. :-) :-) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 20:19:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26156; Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:19:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20568; Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:13:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20562; Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:13:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiZfM-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 19:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: How do you put a comma in a custom header? Date: 7 Sep 1994 22:03:29 GMT Message-Id: <34ldbh$nuh@news.halcyon.com> References: <3453at$alr@news.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >How do I put a comma in a custom header? For example, I want to >have the following: > >Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, Washington, USA > >Unfortunately Pine interprets the comma as the place to break the >line. I tried escaping it with backslash (\,) but that didn't >work. I just figured out one way to do this so I'll answer my own question. You can use environment variables so for this example I put the following in my .login: setenv ORGANIZATION "Infinite Ink, Seattle, Washington, USA" And then in my .pinerc put: customized-hdrs=Organization: $ORGANIZATION Hope this is useful to others, Nancy (loving Pine 3.90!) -- \ / Nancy McGough - OO - Infinite Ink / \ ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 21:09:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27079; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:09:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15091; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:03:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15085; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:03:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiaQT-00000YC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: terryc@io.org (Terry Chambers) Subject: Pine and no access to my remote mail Date: 7 Sep 1994 21:19:40 -0400 Message-Id: <34lorc$1eo@ionews.io.org> I have installed Pine 3.90 on my Linux system. My internet service allows me to use SLIP to connect. I am able to connect via SLIP and do everything using Microsoft Windows. Since I moved to Linux and Pine 3.90, I am unable to retrieve my mail from my remote mailbox. I can telnet, ftp, read news (via Pine 3.90) ... The system is set up with a specific mail server ... mail.io.org On my Linux system, I log in as terryc, the same name as my account at the service. In .pinerc, I have my INBOX set for: {mail.io.org}inbox When I try to retrieve my mail, I get: Connection refused, 143. My friend, using another service provider can easily retrieve his mail. The administrator at my site says the problem is *mine* and not his. I have my own server set up in my .rhosts file ... with my user name terryc. Does anyone have any ideas? Have any evidence I can use to convince the administrator that something is wrong on his end (if it is)? Any advice greatly appreciated ... Thanks ... Terry -- -- Terry Chambers * North York, Ontario * terryc@io.org * tchambers@trentu.ca http://www.io.org/~terryc From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 21:14:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27275; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:14:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21462; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:11:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21456; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:11:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiaUX-00000NC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rajesh Raj Subject: Controlling distribution of article in Pine 3.90 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:23:21 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do I specify the distribution of an article while posting to a newsgroup ? Raj rxr401@leonard.anu.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 21:40:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27787; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:40:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21807; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:37:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21801; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:37:19 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24303; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:37:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Terry Chambers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and no access to my remote mail In-Reply-To: <34lorc$1eo@ionews.io.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Sep 1994, Terry Chambers wrote: > In .pinerc, I have my INBOX set for: {mail.io.org}inbox > > When I try to retrieve my mail, I get: > > Connection refused, 143. This is the key. This error almost always means that the host is not running an imap server. (IMAP uses port 143.) > My friend, using another service provider can easily retrieve his mail. > > The administrator at my site says the problem is *mine* and not his. Well, I suppose he could argue that it is your problem that you chose his service... :) The imapd code is available from ftp.cac.washington.edu. It's part of the pine distribution in /pine/pine.tar.Z, and there are also pre-compiled binaries in /pine/unix-bin -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 21:50:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27994; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:50:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15621; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:46:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from muwayb.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15615; Wed, 7 Sep 94 21:46:13 -0700 Received: from pioneer.mov.vic.gov.au (mov.gw.au) by muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (PMDF V4.2-14 #7200) id <01HGVFV00VLC000TCY@muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:37:03 +1000 Received: by pioneer.mov.vic.gov.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14085; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:36:49 +1100 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 1994 14:36:48 +1100 (E ) From: Burt Heymanson Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 In-Reply-To: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Daniel Malcor wrote: > > > I am running on an RS/6000 980 using AIX 3.2.4ish. Nothing too unsusal, > > but when I do the exact same steps as you detail below I get an appended > > message not an overwrite. > > I just tried the same test on my RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4 and got the same > (wrong) results: choosing O(verwrite) Appends. > > > > A simple test here: > > > 1. Export message to new file. > > > 2. Export another message to same file. > > > 3. Choose Overwrite. > > > 4. Worked fine here..... I have 3.2.4 running on an RS/6000 and I can't reproduce your problem - the overwrite facility is all hunky-dory. Looking for the common denominator: did you guys with the problem compile it yourselves or download the binary from the UoW? ---------- * Burt Heymanson * Museum of Victoria, Australia * * bheyman@pioneer.mov.vic.gov.au * Information Technology Services * * Phone: +61 3 651 6756 * Fax: +61 3 651 6180 * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 22:30:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28851; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:30:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16085; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:26:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16077; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:26:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qibio-00000hC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) Subject: Re: PINE on HP 735 Workstation Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:48:46 GMT References: <34f5ar$37i@cnj.digex.net> In article <34f5ar$37i@cnj.digex.net>, mayer@cnj.digex.net (Paul Mayerowitz]) writes: > We would like to run PINE on a HP 735 workstation running HP-UX version > 9.04. Er, that should be either 9.03 or 9.05 for Series 700 machines :-) 9.04 is for the Series 800s. > Does anyone know where we can obtain a clean copy copy of the > source code or a compiled version of the code? Thank you. I don't know what you mean by "clean", but if you want a version that compiles smoothly with the HP-UX C compiler in ANSI mode [the authors avoided this because it gives out some telling compiler warnings :-) ], then you can pick it up from one of our official archive sites listed below as the file /hpux9/Users/pine-3.90.tar.gz. We keep .cln original versions so users can see exactly what we modified (find . -name '*.cln' gives the game way) and users can even reverse our changes by renaming the .cln files back to their original names. HP-UX Archive Librarian, E-mail queries: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk Computer Science Dept., Official anonymous FTP sites (get /README first): Liverpool University, United Kingdom: hpux.csc.liv.ac.uk [NEW NAME !!!] United Kingdom. Germany: hpux.ask.uni-karlsruhe.de United States: ftp.cae.wisc.edu Not got xbrowser 1.4 yet ? France: hpux.cict.fr You'll find it in Official World Wide Web sites: /hpux9/X11R5/Networking United Kingdom: http://hpux.csc.liv.ac.uk/intro.html Unisted States: http://www.cae.wisc.edu/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 22:59:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29562; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:59:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22802; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:56:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22796; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:56:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qic7u-00000hC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cayz@kentnet.dtcc.edu (James Cayz) Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 (in AIX?) Date: 8 Sep 1994 03:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <34lvcb$k10@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <34kpsc$gp7@news.cerf.net> Overwrite _does_ work correctly here... IBM RS/6000 oslevel = >3.2.5 /bin/ksh pine v3.90 compiled by pine team for aix at 16:59:59 Aug 26 1994 PDT Maybe a V3.2.4 vs V3.2.5 problem? James From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 23:18:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00144; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:18:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16678; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:14:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16672; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:14:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qicRL-00000iC; Wed, 7 Sep 94 22:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: How to put Reply-To: in the header? Date: 8 Sep 1994 05:54:20 GMT Message-Id: <34m8uc$j2m@agate.berkeley.edu> As titile, is there way which I can setup that? Thanks!! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 7 23:59:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00965; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:59:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17199; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:55:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17193; Wed, 7 Sep 94 23:55:36 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:53:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:53:06 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Henry Kuo Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to put Reply-To: in the header? In-Reply-To: <34m8uc$j2m@agate.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 8 Sep 1994, Henry Kuo wrote: > As titile, is there way which I can setup that? From the Main Menu go to SetUp....then go to Configure.... Find the line that reads: customized-hdrs = Add what is needed.....something like.... customized-hdrs = Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 02:19:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04071; Thu, 8 Sep 94 02:19:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25320; Thu, 8 Sep 94 02:12:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25314; Thu, 8 Sep 94 02:12:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qif6p-00000hC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 01:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: darbel@techunix.technion.ac.il (dani) Subject: pc-pine: where to get it? Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:48:47 GMT Message-Id: Hi! where can i download pc-pine from? Thanks, Dani From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 03:24:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05325; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:24:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26089; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:18:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [144.32.128.13] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26083; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:17:57 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22161-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:16:27 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA05076; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:23:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:23:00 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: "Scott Selby (Med Heme)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .sig file problems In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This problem is nothing at all to do with Pine but to do with: a) the way you have typed the text in to your .sig file, and b) possibly how PopMail has been set up (it would have helped to know which platform this was on). a) Assuming the signature file you're having problems with is the same as you used in your query (see below)... You have used a mixture of tabs and spaces in your signature. Not all programs "obey" tabs. Others so "obey" them (expand them) but don't use the "standard" multiple-of-8 tab stops. For example, TeachText on an Apple Macintosh doesn't honour tabs, but just displays them as the width of a space. You can help by getting rid of all the tabs from your signature file and replacing them with spaces. This MAY be all that's needed. b) The other problem may lie with the PopMail user and how they have configured PopMail. Your signature appears to be one of the "pretty" ones that tries to draw pictures using characters. This will only work if the font used to view the message is a mono-spaced (every character has the same width) font. If the user has set up PopMail to use a proportionally spaced font (eg, Times) then no matter what you do you will not be able to produce good looking pictures. (We run into this problem a lot with people trying to word process CV's using Times; they can't get columns lines up if they don't know how to use Tabs.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Scott Selby (Med Heme) wrote: > Help! I'm having problems with my .sig file. It looks jumbled to anyone > who is using PopMail. What's the answer? > > -- > ============================================================================== > (86098)o%:%o9 > || Scott A. Selby 6098)o%:::%o(860 > ==== University of Minnesota 098)o%:::%o(8609 > | |__ Department of Medicine/Hematology 6o%:%o(86098) > | |-.\ Box 480 UMHC/ 14-157 PWB (86098)o > |__| \\ 516 Delaware Street Southeast 6098)o%::%o9 > || || Minneapolis, MN 55455 098)o%::::::%o9 > ======__| (612)624-7612 6o%::::::%o(860 > ________||__ selby@lenti.med.umn.edu 6o%::%o(8609 > /____________\ o(86098) > (86098)o%:%o9 > ============================================================================== > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 03:38:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05747; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:38:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19752; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:29:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19746; Thu, 8 Sep 94 03:29:46 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:27:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 18:27:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: dani Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pc-pine: where to get it? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, dani wrote: > where can i download pc-pine from? from ftp.cac.washinton.edu in pine/pcpine See the PC-Pine.README file for information..... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 04:36:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07590; Thu, 8 Sep 94 04:36:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20696; Thu, 8 Sep 94 04:28:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20690; Thu, 8 Sep 94 04:28:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qihLy-00000fC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 04:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jans@prudens.matematik.su.se (Jan Snellman) Subject: Descending directory hierarchys? Date: 08 Sep 1994 08:50:28 GMT Message-Id: Pine 3.90 follows symbolic links in the mail directory, which is very nice. If I create a symlink to a directory, I whish for pine to enter that directory when I select it from the Folders menu. Alas, it does not. I realise that I could flatten out the directory structure by creating symlinks to the individual files, but that would mean having more than 100 folders in the Folders menu. -- Jan Snellman : "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the jans@matematik.su.se : majority, it is time to reform." M T From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 07:03:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10589; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:03:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29289; Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:56:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29283; Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:56:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qijgA-00000jC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) Subject: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Date: 8 Sep 1994 13:19:56 GMT Message-Id: <34n31s$9g3@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Thank you all for you replies. I have downloaded Pine 3.90, added "-Dconst=" to the pine makefile and it all works beautifully now. Thanks Richard ------------------------------------------ Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.) Fisons Surface Systems (was VG Scientific) Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074 EMail: giles@fisonssurf.co.uk or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only) Compuserve: 100065,132 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 07:07:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10730; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:07:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22582; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:02:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22576; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:02:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qijig-00000hC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 06:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dehahn@buell.shr.dec.com (Christofer deHahn) Subject: Re: pine 3.0 performance Date: 8 Sep 1994 13:10:40 GMT Message-Id: <34n2gg$hnc@mrnews.mro.dec.com> References: -- I agree, it is not a 'fast' link. However, it's not the news performance I was referring to, it's how a slow news link affects folder listing in Pine. Pine 3.90 is fantastic. A significant improvement to 3.89. I'm a very happy user. Chris << Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Corporation Shrewsbury MA USA >> << ECAD Engineering dehahn@shr.dec.com 508.841.3451 1991 Buell RS1200 >> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 07:58:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11920; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:58:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23290; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:51:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23284; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:51:12 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA23992; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:49:29 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA01069; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:51:10 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03503; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:51:10 CDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:51:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: "Steven E. Frazier" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Numbers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Steven E. Frazier wrote: > > I use to be able to have 50+ messages and if I wanted to go to message > 5 I just typed "5" and it would go there, now it says it doesn't understand, > any ideas how to get that feature back, please? > I believe you want 'enable-jump-shortcut' enabled in the feature list. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 08:06:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12170; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:06:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00401; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:00:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00385; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:00:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qikgm-000010C; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jpll@vectorbd.com (Jim Lill) Subject: Re: Unix Piping Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:32:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Jim Lill (jpll@vectorbd.com) wrote: : How can I control the enable-unix-pipe-cmd state> I mostly want it OFF : for most users as they are in a shell. : I've thought I understood pine.conf.fixed but I guess not! Well, I've tried more things and got it working now but it seems that when you change things in .fixed it puts up these ugly messages each time a user starts pine. The command line way is cleaner but can make for a pretty long command line. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Lill / Vector Board BBS \ jpll@vectorbd.com \ 716-544-1863/2645 / wa2zkd@wb2psi.#wny.usa.na GEnie: ZKD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 08:21:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12678; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:21:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23698; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:15:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23686; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:15:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiksg-000018C; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Message-Id: References: <34k1j7$3i8@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:17:59 GMT Richard Giles wrote: »I am trying to compile Pine on an ICL DRS6000 machine. This runs »SVR4 (version 7?). To Build pine I used: »build sv4 »It compiles fine until it reaches the Pine directory. Below is the output »that Build gives. I have turned on extra debug info. from the compiler where this »error is. It complains about 'system' and 'rename' being redeclared. Has anybody »else seen this problem and know of a fix. Otherwise, I will have to do some »serious digging. [...] I have built pine3.89 and pine3.90 with no problems on a DRS6000 v7. I used `gcc -fno-builtin -traditional` to solve the problems you describe. If gcc isn't available to you then I'm afraid I can't offer a solution. Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 08:39:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13348; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:39:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24032; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:31:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24026; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:31:40 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04991; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:31:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jan Snellman Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Descending directory hierarchys? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jan, We call what you want "hierarchy support", and it is a high priority for "Pine 4.0", but don't even ask when that will be out. -teg On 8 Sep 1994, Jan Snellman wrote: > Pine 3.90 follows symbolic links in the mail directory, which is very > nice. If I create a symlink to a directory, I whish for pine to enter > that directory when I select it from the Folders menu. Alas, it does > not. > I realise that I could flatten out the directory structure by creating > symlinks to the individual files, but that would mean having more than > 100 folders in the Folders menu. > -- > Jan Snellman : "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the > jans@matematik.su.se : majority, it is time to reform." M T > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 09:19:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16150; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:19:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02081; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:12:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02075; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:12:54 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06181; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:12:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jan Snellman , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Descending directory hierarchys? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jan, I should add: each *directory* can become an individual "folder-collection", therefore, you don't need links to individual folders, you just need to define one collection-per-directory. (Nonetheless, in the future you'll be able to have a single collection containing directories that you can traverse.) -teg On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Jan, > We call what you want "hierarchy support", and it is a high priority for > "Pine 4.0", but don't even ask when that will be out. > > -teg > > On 8 Sep 1994, Jan Snellman wrote: > > > Pine 3.90 follows symbolic links in the mail directory, which is very > > nice. If I create a symlink to a directory, I whish for pine to enter > > that directory when I select it from the Folders menu. Alas, it does > > not. > > I realise that I could flatten out the directory structure by creating > > symlinks to the individual files, but that would mean having more than > > 100 folders in the Folders menu. > > -- > > Jan Snellman : "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the > > jans@matematik.su.se : majority, it is time to reform." M T > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 09:53:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18526; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:53:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26054; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:45:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26048; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:45:28 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA25187; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:43:45 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA05454; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:45:26 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03536; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:45:25 CDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:45:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: More newbie imapd questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am still having problems getting PC-PINE working. I believe that the problem is on the server side because if I watch IP traffic I see that my PC is making a request for port 143, but the server is refusing the connection. (I also tried telnet-ing to the server port and was refused, I don't know whether this is a valid test though.) I am running imapd on a Sun SPARC 10 (SunOS 4.1.3). I downloaded the source and compiled locally. Pine and pico seem to work fine. I have added configuration to inetd.conf and services for imap also. All this done, I still get: Can't connect ...:Refused (10061) on the PC. Can someone please shed some light on my problems? Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 10:13:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19497; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:13:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03162; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:05:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03156; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:05:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qimf5-000010C; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@us.itd.umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: PC-Pine and two annoying bugs Date: 8 Sep 1994 16:22:47 GMT Message-Id: <34ndon$of@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Hi, Has anyone encountered and found work arounds for these two problems with PC-Pine? 1) Sorting folders by anything other than Arrival, spins the disk and locks up the machine. 2) After running PC-Pine, accessing any netware drive that was mounted crashes the machine. This is with version 3.90. I've tried it on three different machines (a 486 and two 386s), one of which I wiped the disk and installed DOS, Netware and Lan WorkPlace fresh. I did send in a bug report on this, but haven't heard back yet. So I thought I'd ask here and see if anyone else has seen this and has any ideas. -- =============================================================================== Allan Bjorklund allan@umich.edu =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 10:38:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20891; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:38:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27020; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:30:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27014; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:30:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qimwG-00000sC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Greg Martz Subject: forwarding in newsgroups Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:25:29 -700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Was reading newsgroups and found a message there I wanted to forward to another user here locally. Hit F to forward, but it stayed in that newsgroup header format instead of asking for the e-mail address of the person I wanted to forward to. Anyone know why? Shouldn't forward default to e-mail rather than forwarding into the same newsgroup? Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 11:01:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22015; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:01:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27738; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:55:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27730; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:55:27 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08847; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:55:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Greg Martz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding in newsgroups In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We agree... This will be fixed in 3.91. -teg On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Greg Martz wrote: > > Was reading newsgroups and found a message there I wanted to forward to > another user here locally. Hit F to forward, but it stayed in that > newsgroup header format instead of asking for the e-mail address of the > person I wanted to forward to. Anyone know why? Shouldn't forward > default to e-mail rather than forwarding into the same newsgroup? > > Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet > Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA > info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 11:13:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22542; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:13:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27991; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:06:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27985; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:06:32 -0700 Received: from morgana.pubserv.com by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with UUCP id AA10646 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:56:28 -0500 Received: by morgana.pubserv.com id AA24952 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:55:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:55:08 -0500 From: Brian Larkin Message-Id: <9409081755.AA24952@morgana.pubserv.com> To: kenny@bard.ttd.teradyne.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Kenny Wickstrom on Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:45:24 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: More newbie imapd questions >Hi, > >I am still having problems getting PC-PINE working. I believe that the >problem is on the server side because if I watch IP traffic I see that my >PC is making a request for port 143, but the server is refusing the >connection. (I also tried telnet-ing to the server port and was refused, >I don't know whether this is a valid test though.) This would have been a valid test. (At least it is on our Sequents...) Kinda fun actually. Grab the RFC's pertinent to IMAP and then telnet to port 143 and try some commands out. This seems to me to be the best way to get familiar with the IMAP protocols, IMO. >I am running imapd on a Sun SPARC 10 (SunOS 4.1.3). I downloaded the >source and compiled locally. Pine and pico seem to work fine. I have >added configuration to inetd.conf and services for imap also. All this >done, I still get: Can't connect ...:Refused (10061) on the PC. > >Can someone please shed some light on my problems? I can try.. Did you perhaps forget to restart the inetd daemon? You need to do a kill -HUP xx where xx is the process number of inetd. When inetd receives a Hangup signal it will re-read its configuration information from /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf. Needless to say you need to be root to successfully run the kill command. Hope this helps... -- Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Larkin TEL: (217) 398 - 2060 brianl@pubserv.com Publication Services, Inc. Programming Supervisor 1802 South Duncan Road Research & Development Champaign, IL 61820 U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 11:36:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23420; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:36:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05214; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:30:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05208; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:30:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qinzY-00000cC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: forwarding in newsgroups Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This is a known problem... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Greg Martz wrote: > > Was reading newsgroups and found a message there I wanted to forward to > another user here locally. Hit F to forward, but it stayed in that > newsgroup header format instead of asking for the e-mail address of the > person I wanted to forward to. Anyone know why? Shouldn't forward > default to e-mail rather than forwarding into the same newsgroup? > > Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet > Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA > info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 12:13:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28684; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:13:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29550; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:06:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29544; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:06:01 -0700 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA20624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:05:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:05:57 EDT From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: "deleting" usenet articles Message-Id: In User Services here we were talking about pine's surprising handling of .newsrc. It seems very counterintuitive to use the delete command on news articles since the user does not truly have the ability to delete and expunge. We'd have figured you would use the same trigger as you do with mail to mark articles as seen or unseen. This way users would simply read news, and on leaving the newsgroup pine would update .newsrc to show which articles were seen-- just as trn or other newsreaders would do-- and just as pine itself does with mail files. Don't your users in Washington get confused about this? People here keep asking why they can't expunge articles, based on the fact that they can mark them deleted. If the implementation of the delete command was based on user comments, we'd be curious to see more information. We're scratching our heads here over this. Thanks, Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 12:40:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02297; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:40:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00333; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:35:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00327; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:35:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qioxB-00000ZC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dilcher@netcom.com (Jeffrey A. Dilcher) Subject: FOLDER COMPRESSION.... How? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:27:27 GMT I am desperately short of disk space, yet, would like to save my incoming and outgoing mail. Is there a script or something that will allow me to compress my "sent" mail and compress any incoming mail to a folder? Anyone doing anything like this? Direct responses gratefully appreciated, -Jeff From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 12:48:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02575; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:48:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06780; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:40:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06774; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:40:15 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14248; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:40:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, News readers and mail readers have traditionally treated messages differently. News readers usually make messages "disappear" by virtue of simply looling at them once. Mail readers never do that, at least I don't know of any examples that do. When you have a tool that does both mail and news, you either have to pick *one* paradigm, or have a confusing modality. Moreover, given that you only get one bit of per-message state in the .newsrc, you have to decide what that bit should mean: (1) that the message has been seen once, or (2) that the user has explicitly indicated that it is no longer of interest and marked Deleted, or if you prefer, "Dismissed" it. In my mind, that's a no-brainer. This design decision was debated at great length, and we came down on the side of consistent usage between mail and news as the fundamental principle we cared about, more than consistency with the way other news readers behave. It was not acceptable to us to have Pine start "hiding" messages simply because someone looked at them once, nor was it acceptable to have a completely differenet behavior for mail and news. That you cannot expunge news messages is true, but you CAN eXclude them. And, by the way, it is possible to have shared mailboxes where eXpunge is not permitted as well, so this concept is not unique to news. -teg On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > In User Services here we were talking about pine's surprising handling > of .newsrc. It seems very counterintuitive to use the delete command > on news articles since the user does not truly have the ability to > delete and expunge. We'd have figured you would use the same trigger > as you do with mail to mark articles as seen or unseen. This way > users would simply read news, and on leaving the newsgroup pine would > update .newsrc to show which articles were seen-- just as trn or other > newsreaders would do-- and just as pine itself does with mail files. > > Don't your users in Washington get confused about this? People here > keep asking why they can't expunge articles, based on the fact that > they can mark them deleted. If the implementation of the delete > command was based on user comments, we'd be curious to see more > information. We're scratching our heads here over this. > > Thanks, > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 13:22:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04698; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:22:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01497; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:17:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01491; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:17:25 -0700 Received: from march.co.uk by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24402; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:17:06 -0700 Received: from march by march with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0qipuD-0003mqC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 21:17 BST Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:17:12 +0100 (BST) From: Ross Wakelin X-Sender: rossw@march Reply-To: r.wakelin@march.co.uk To: Liam Crilly Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Liam Crilly wrote: > Richard Giles wrote: > =BBI am trying to compile Pine on an ICL DRS6000 machine. This runs=20 > =BBSVR4 (version 7?). To Build pine I used: >=20 > =BBbuild sv4 >=20 > =BBIt compiles fine until it reaches the Pine directory. Below is the out= put=20 > =BBthat Build gives. I have turned on extra debug info. from the compiler= where this=20 > =BBerror is. It complains about 'system' and 'rename' being redeclared. H= as anybody > =BBelse seen this problem and know of a fix. Otherwise, I will have to do= some > =BBserious digging. > [...] >=20 >=20 > I have built pine3.89 and pine3.90 with no problems on a DRS6000 v7. > I used `gcc -fno-builtin -traditional` to solve the problems you > describe. If gcc isn't available to you then I'm afraid I can't > offer a solution. >=20 >=20 > =09Liam. >=20 > -- > 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48= "V"8 > 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8= 8 > 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8= oYo8 > ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell.= ++ The svr4 build in pine is based on DRS6000, cos we did it. It was done as a minimum port about 18 months ago. The -Dconst=3D fix has been around for about 12 months, but has yet to make= =20 it into the official source. Ross Wakelin r.wakelin@march.co.uk Open Systems Director =20 March Systems Consultancy Ltd =09=09+44 1734 304 224 or rossw@manuka.demon.co.uk at home=09PGP signature available From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 13:50:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05952; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:50:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02121; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:43:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02115; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:43:57 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05478; 8 Sep 94 16:43 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18014; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:43:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Burt Heymanson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Burt Heymanson wrote: > > I have 3.2.4 running on an RS/6000 and I can't reproduce your problem - the > overwrite facility is all hunky-dory. Looking for the common denominator: did > you guys with the problem compile it yourselves or download the binary from > the UoW? > My version has been recompiled, but I just ftp-ed the a32 binary from ftp.cac.washington.edu, and I get the same results: Ask for Overwrite, and get Append! $ oslevel <3240 - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 14:31:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07807; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:31:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09195; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:26:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09189; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:26:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiqgD-00000ZC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael@APlatform.aplatform.com (michael) Subject: posting error Date: 8 Sep 1994 12:56:33 -0700 Message-Id: <34nq9h$1u9@APlatform.aplatform.com> I am very pleased with pinbe v3.90. Good job ppl. However when I try to post to a newsgroup I get "error posting message: 441 article not posted - more included text than new". Any help would be appreciated.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 14:59:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08918; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:59:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09872; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:54:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from relay3.UU.NET by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09866; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:54:48 -0700 Received: from uucp7.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxgnf01793; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:54:48 -0400 Received: from almserv.UUCP by uucp7.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:54:57 -0400 Received: from atlantic.fnma.com by fnma.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00885; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:51:16 EDT Received: from dpag.fnma.com by atlantic.fnma.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14380; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:51:15 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:51:15 EDT From: m5ubxk@fnma.COM (Brian Keefe) Message-Id: <9409082151.AA14380@atlantic.fnma.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe pine m5ubxk@fnma.com Brian Keefe unsubscribe pine m5ubxk@fnma.com Brian Keefe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 15:25:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10305; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:25:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04392; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:19:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from denver.ssds.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04386; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:18:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by chicago.ssds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-SSDSnet.chicago.931212) id AA21870; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:14:55 CDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:14:54 -0500 (CDT) From: James Weaver - Chicago Subject: MIME and UUENCODE To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have something of a mixed bag of pine versions in our company at the moment. Prior to June everyone used 3.05. Then we moved to 3.89, or at least we started to. Soon hopefully, we'll go to 3.90; however, not everyone is happy with 3.89 yet. I received this complaint from a user today: I attached a binary file (an MS Word document) to an email message I was creating (using pine on denver server) addressed to a person who uses MS Mail to read his mail (he has an MS Mail Gateway & we exchange mail frequently). In the past when I have done this, pine has prompted me with "attach as a MIME attachment?" &, if I answer yes, has created a MIME attachment to the email, &, if I answer no, has created a UUENCODEd inclusion / attachment within the email. This time, pine simply created a MIME attachment without asking. This is a problem because I must exchange binary attachments with my correspondents who use MS Mail. What happened to the UUENCODE option between 3.05 and 3.89/3.90? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Weaver From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 16:39:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13374; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:39:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05832; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:31:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05826; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:31:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiseS-00000kC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: posting error Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34nq9h$1u9@APlatform.aplatform.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34nq9h$1u9@APlatform.aplatform.com> That message is coming from the NNTP server. Pine does passes it along for your information. Was your post a reply with alot of included text? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 8 Sep 1994, michael wrote: > I am very pleased with pinbe v3.90. Good job ppl. However when I try to > post to a newsgroup I get "error posting message: 441 article not posted > - more included text than new". > > > Any help would be appreciated.. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 17:08:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15559; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:08:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12621; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:01:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12615; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:01:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qit92-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Greg E. Myers" Subject: Pine 3.90 News Problems Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have Pine 3.90 running on solaris 2.3. It appears that there is a bug in pine when the .newsrc file does not exist in the users home directory. The "Select Here" button changes to "Empty List - Select here to try reexpanding" and a 0 byte .newsrc file is created in the users home directory. This is not a problem if one has another news reader to run first, but we don't want to make users run a specific news reader since pine can do mail and news... Does anyone know what to do about this? Thank You -=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |............................. Greg Myers ...............................| | Center for Academic Computing * Phone: 717-389-4781 | | Bloomsburg University * Fax: 717--389-3846 | | Bloomsburg, PA 17815 * email: gem@planetx.bloomu.edu | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 17:26:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16200; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:26:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06962; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:19:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06956; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:19:30 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22291; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:19:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:19:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Greg E. Myers" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 News Problems In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg, Would the problem be solved if the "Empty List" message was changed to say something about 'Use "A Subscribe" to add newsgroups" ? -teg On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Greg E. Myers wrote: > I have Pine 3.90 running on solaris 2.3. It appears that there is a bug > in pine when the .newsrc file does not exist in the users home > directory. The "Select Here" button changes to "Empty List - Select here > to try reexpanding" and a 0 byte .newsrc file is created in the users > home directory. This is not a problem if one has another news reader to > run first, but we don't want to make users run a specific news reader > since pine can do mail and news... Does anyone know what to do about this? > > Thank You > > > -=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > |............................. Greg Myers ...............................| > | Center for Academic Computing * Phone: 717-389-4781 | > | Bloomsburg University * Fax: 717--389-3846 | > | Bloomsburg, PA 17815 * email: gem@planetx.bloomu.edu | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 18:11:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17607; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:11:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07582; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:56:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07576; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:56:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiu0P-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kurgpold@mizar.usc.edu (Elmar Kurgpold) Subject: Post warning when sending mail, NOT news Date: 8 Sep 1994 17:25:15 -0700 Message-Id: <34oa1b$g43@mizar.usc.edu> My system is a Sun4m running SunOS 4.1.3, and Pine 3.90. I was composing a message addressed to two different alias definitions (not addressbook). When I hit ^X, there was a message something like, "This message could be read by thousands of users, are you sure?" I pressed n, and the message was not sent (as expected). I checked the "rich" headers, and no newsgroups were filled in. I pressed ^X again, and it worked this time. I tried to duplicate it, but couldn't. Curious.... --Elmar From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 18:17:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17794; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:17:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14014; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:11:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14008; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:11:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiuCH-00000ZC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 17:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: Re: pine.conf= solved Date: 8 Sep 1994 23:39:38 GMT Message-Id: <34o7bq$i5n@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: Well, you went sort of the long way around. `cat |' unnecessary. pine -conf > pine.conf would do the trick. If you don't mind a bit of advice: get a good book on using Unix. I recommend Kochan & Wood's _Exploring the Unix System_. LT Lonnie Yeung (yeungl@iss-css.admin.issaquah.wednet.edu) wrote: : In case anybody else wanted to know how to redirect the output from 'pine : -conf' into a file, i figured it out. 'pine -conf' only shows you a : file, but the command 'cat | pine -conf >pine.conf' seemed to work for : me. I am sure i went the long way around the problem, but hey, it works. : --The idiot -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 18:27:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18107; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:27:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07977; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:21:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07971; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:21:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiuMa-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 18:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: use-only-domain-name w/o user-domain Date: 8 Sep 1994 23:51:08 GMT Message-Id: <34o81c$i5n@news.ycc.yale.edu> In my systems' pine.conf file, I'd like to *not* specify the domain-name, but just tell it to strip the hostnames (i.e., for aida.econ.yale.edu, othello.econ.yale.edu and fidelio.econ.yale.edu have them all use econ.yale.edu as the host-address). What I would imagine is needed is to have this: # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail. user-domain= [munch] # If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only) use-only-domain-name=Yes But it doesn't seem to work. What's wrong? Thanks, LT -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 19:39:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20077; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:39:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08937; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:27:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08931; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:27:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qivOA-00000ZC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael@APlatform.aplatform.com (michael) Subject: posting error Date: 8 Sep 1994 18:16:29 -0700 Message-Id: <34od1d$mbn@APlatform.aplatform.com> I would guess there was a total of 1 1.2 pages of text including the 2 - 3 lines of mine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 19:52:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20440; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:52:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09129; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:40:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09123; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:40:50 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA01288; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:39:07 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA00282; Thu, 8 Sep 94 21:40:49 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03685; Thu, 8 Sep 94 21:40:49 CDT Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:40:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: mailcap file Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I would like to view an image file that was sent as an attachment to a mail message. I understand I need to set up a mailcap file, however I can't seem to find any documentation on setting up this file. The release notes say a sample mailcap file was in the distribution, however I can't seem to find it. Can someone please send be an example mailcap file? The image viewer I want to use is 'xv'. Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 19:56:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20531; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:56:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15426; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:46:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15419; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:46:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qivi1-00000ZC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: goldberp@iia.org (Peter Goldberg) Subject: PC Pine for PC??? Date: 9 Sep 1994 01:49:50 GMT Message-Id: <34oevu$eso@ankh.iia.org> I have a very simple wish: to download my folders to my PC and to work on my mail there, completely offline. I hoped PC Pine could help me, downloaded all 5 versions I found, but... :-( Anybody has any idea on how to work with folders on PC with any version of PC Pine? HELP!!! Thankful in advance Peter From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 19:57:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20568; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:57:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09230; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:46:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09224; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:46:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qivgV-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: p15254@winkey.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin) Subject: Saving news articles in Pine 3.90 Date: 08 Sep 1994 17:12:31 GMT Message-Id: Is it possible when using Pine 3.90 as a newsreader to have the default save directory be ~/News and the default folder be the name of the newsgroup that I'm currently reading. This action would conform to most of the newsreaders of which I'm aware. Pine seems to want to save in ~/Mail/saved-messages, which is OK for reading normal mail, but I prefer the other behavior when I'm reading news. Thanks, ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-1135 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7073 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: p15254@winkey.geg.mot.com | | Mail Drop R2221 | | ========================================================================= -- ========================================================================= | Rick Rankin | | | Motorola GSTG | Voice: 602-441-1135 | | 8220 E. Roosevelt St. | Fax: 602-441-7073 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85252 | Internet: p15254@winkey.geg.mot.com | | Mail Drop R2221 | | ========================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 20:20:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21239; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:20:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15787; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:09:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15781; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:09:13 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25761; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:09:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Rick Rankin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving news articles in Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rick, I can grant one of your wishes: If you select "by-recipient" as your "saved-msg-name-rule" you'll get the default folder name you wish... and it's also handy for email lists. Since Pine tries to treat news and mail as much alike as possible, it naturally offers the same default folder collection for Saves from either kind of folder, so we have no answer at this time for your second wish... -teg On 8 Sep 1994, Rick Rankin wrote: > Is it possible when using Pine 3.90 as a newsreader to have the > default save directory be ~/News and the default folder be the name of > the newsgroup that I'm currently reading. This action would conform > to most of the newsreaders of which I'm aware. Pine seems to want to > save in ~/Mail/saved-messages, which is OK for reading normal mail, > but I prefer the other behavior when I'm reading news. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 20:23:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21325; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:23:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09676; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:14:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09670; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:13:58 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25854; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:13:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 20:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Rick Rankin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Saving news articles in Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I should add that you can define a second folder collection for ~/News, so that you are only one keystroke away from your second wish :) That is: S ^N RETURN will then save to the desired collection. -teg On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Rick, > I can grant one of your wishes: > > If you select "by-recipient" as your "saved-msg-name-rule" you'll get the > default folder name you wish... and it's also handy for email lists. > > Since Pine tries to treat news and mail as much alike as possible, it > naturally offers the same default folder collection for Saves from either > kind of folder, so we have no answer at this time for your second wish... > > -teg > > On 8 Sep 1994, Rick Rankin wrote: > > > Is it possible when using Pine 3.90 as a newsreader to have the > > default save directory be ~/News and the default folder be the name of > > the newsgroup that I'm currently reading. This action would conform > > to most of the newsreaders of which I'm aware. Pine seems to want to > > save in ~/Mail/saved-messages, which is OK for reading normal mail, > > but I prefer the other behavior when I'm reading news. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 21:06:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22250; Thu, 8 Sep 94 21:06:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10376; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:56:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10370; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:56:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiwoX-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: Now for the opposing view: At Carnegie Mellon, we find Washington's handling of "deleted" in news to be indicative of and limited to a model where "news" and "mail" are completely separate things. CMU has for some number of years used a mail system, AMS, which has message collections with a wide variety of visibility and access restrictions. "News" and "mail" are but two extremes of the possible modes. There can be collections which are readable by some set of users and writable by some other, possibly intersecting, set of users. The Washington "delete" model does not extend to such a system. It relies on there being two types of objects: Mail, which is accessable and writable to exactly one user, and News, which is accessable to multiple users but writable to none. Washington's model trains users to use "delete" in situations where they do not intend to permanently remove the message. When such users encounter objects which are writable and accessable to more than one user, this training will cause unintentional loss of data. There are really two modes in which users read messages. One is a "show new messages" mode where a user just wants to see the new messages in all of their subscribed folders, moving to the next folder when all the messages in the current one are read. Another is a "browse" mode, where a user wants to see all messages in a particular folder. News readers have historically focused on the "show new message" mode of reading, becuase it is necessary for dealing with the volume of data that exist in news. The news readers I am most familiar with (rn/trn) tend to ignore "browse" mode, to the point where it is acutely painful to try to go back and read old news. Mail readers have historically only dealt with "browse" mode. They have not done "show new message" mode because there is usually only one folder (the inbox) that ever gets new messages. This folder usually does not get enough volume to cause a demand for a "show new message" mode. In order for a "show new messages" mode to be convenient, two functions need to be provided: "mark this message as unread" and "mark all messages as read". I think it's unfortunate that Terry isn't more aware of AMS. It has some serious limitations, but it does in fact handle mail and news the same. When one is in "show new message" mode, one's incoming-mail folders with new messages show up with all the other folders with new messages. When one is reading a mail folder, the act of reading a message once *will* cause the message to not show up ("disappear") the next time the folder is opened in "show new message" mode. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 22:44:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24233; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:44:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17861; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:37:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17855; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:36:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiyL2-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael Subject: test please disreguard Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII test pine 3.90 compose From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 22:44:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24243; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:44:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11654; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:37:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11648; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:37:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiyL9-00000cC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael Subject: nntp posting Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have solved my pine 3.90 news posting. sorry about the previous message. I was using the wrong NNTP server and thus the cause of the error message I was getting. Again I would like to say a job well done to all the PINE and PICO people. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 8 23:17:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25114; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:17:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18484; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:12:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18478; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:12:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qiyvK-00000aC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 22:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: michael Subject: Auto subscribe to news groups Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to have several news groups automaticaly subscribed to by my new users. I know that "TIN" (yikes) has this capability via a file called subscription that is located in /usr/lib/local/news directory. Is this a possibility with PINE 3.90? Thank you... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 00:44:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26925; Fri, 9 Sep 94 00:44:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13310; Fri, 9 Sep 94 00:38:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13304; Fri, 9 Sep 94 00:38:13 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00174; Fri, 9 Sep 94 00:38:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 00:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, John and I have been over this ground before without any sign of convergence of our views, but just in case others are interested in the debate, I'll annotate his comments to emphasize that I reject both the characterization and the conclusion... > At Carnegie Mellon, we find Washington's handling of "deleted" in news > to be indicative of and limited to a model where "news" and "mail" are > completely separate things. To the contrary, it is indicative of providing a consistent view of both, subject to the unfortunate limitations of .newsrc files. (At least half of our disagreement would evaporate if we could store one more bit of per-message state in the .newsrc file.) > CMU has for some number of years used a mail system, AMS, which has > message collections with a wide variety of visibility and access > restrictions. "News" and "mail" are but two extremes of the possible > modes. There can be collections which are readable by some set of > users and writable by some other, possibly intersecting, set of users. This is also my view of the world. > The Washington "delete" model does not extend to such a system. It > relies on there being two types of objects: Mail, which is accessable > and writable to exactly one user, and News, which is accessable to > multiple users but writable to none. Nonsense. > Washington's model trains users > to use "delete" in situations where they do not intend to permanently > remove the message. When such users encounter objects which are > writable and accessable to more than one user, this training will > cause unintentional loss of data. Marking a message as "Deleted" is the way a user tells the system that they have no further interest in a message. Deletion is a user-relative operation, it is not absolute. For example, in a system that implements a mailstore as a database, if I delete a message, I in fact only delete a link to that message, just as "rm" in a Unix filesystem does not actually delete a file unless mine is the last link to it. John's contention is that: because Pine allows you to use a key marked "Delete" in cases where you don't have the ability to actually zap the data, then it will cause you to use "Delete" recklessly in cases where you can. Obviously we disagree. John favored disabling "D" for news and having a separate "Junk" command in newsgroups to indicate that you don't care about the message anymore. We preferred to keep things consistent between the two worlds, since we reject the thesis that one's mental model and motivation for using "D" suddenly changes when one discovers that "D,X" commands can be undone in certain kinds of folders without having to call Operations. We considered changing the key label in folders where the user had no write-access from "Delete" to "Dismiss" (paralleling the change of "eXpunge" to "eXclude"), but it didn't seem that useful a change. Where I think John and I would agree is that when users have write access to shared folders it is imperative that they understand that their actions can affect other people. But this point is not a result of Pine's newsreading behavior; it is just as important for people who have only been exposed to private mail folders previously and never imagined that their "D,X" in a shared folder might adversely affect someone else. > There are really two modes in which users read messages. One is a > "show new messages" mode where a user just wants to see the new > messages in all of their subscribed folders, moving to the next folder > when all the messages in the current one are read. Another is a > "browse" mode, where a user wants to see all messages in a particular > folder. This view is a bit simplistic. For one thing, in "browse" mode you usually want to see only the messages that you have not previously EXPLICITLY dismissed/deleted/done-in or otherwise dispatched. This is a crucial point. Moreover, not everyone chooses to operate in accordance with this two-mode model: hybrids predicated on keeping "seen" state and msg disposition distinct are certainly possible and, if the usual behavior of mailers suits you, preferred... > News readers have historically focused on the "show new message" mode > of reading, becuase it is necessary for dealing with the volume of > data that exist in news. The news readers I am most familiar with > (rn/trn) tend to ignore "browse" mode, to the point where it is > acutely painful to try to go back and read old news. Agreed. And this is especially obnoxious if your preferred mode of operation is actually a hybrid between the two... Even before you go back, there is an important personal preference issue: in rn/trn you must explicitly *recover* messages (via "M") you want to see again, as opposed to "dismissing" those you are done with. For many this is counter-intuitive and (in terms of keystrokes) it is also less efficient. > Mail readers have historically only dealt with "browse" mode. They > have not done "show new message" mode because there is usually only > one folder (the inbox) that ever gets new messages. This folder > usually does not get enough volume to cause a demand for a "show new > message" mode. Again, I think this is a simplistic view. For many people the reason mailers don't usually offer a "show only new messages" mode has nothing to do with volume. Nor is a browse or hybrid mode antithetical to handling high volume as long as you have a way of deleting/dismissing the messages you no longer care about. > In order for a "show new messages" mode to be convenient, two > functions need to be provided: "mark this message as unread" and "mark > all messages as read". This is true if and only if you over-load the seen/unseen flag to also convey the user's intended disposition of the message. If you keep those concepts distinct, as Pine tries to do, the needed operations are a little different. Still, I agree that both of those functions are useful, and being able to store seen/unseen status is clearly desirable. This is where we get into some unfortunate engineering tradeoffs due to the limitations of the .newsrc format. Given that compatibility with existing .newsrc files was an important goal, we had to choose how to use the one bit of per-message state possible in that file format. The choice was between recording seen/unseen status, which changes implicitly by viewing a message (and *maybe* as a result of explicit manipulation), *OR* recording the user's explicit intention about the future utility and dispostion of that particular message, namely the deleted/dismissed/junked/whatever-term-you-prefer status bit. There is no question in my mind that "seen" status and disposition should be kept distinct, and that recording a user's *explicit* statement about the disposition of a message is more important than recording a state change triggered implicitly by viewing. Obviously I'm not impressed by the argument that one can overload and explicitly manipulate the seen/unseen flag in order to record the user's intended disposition of a message. Combining these two very different characteristics of a message into one flag is is a terrible hack and one that is contrary to the way Pine handles mail. So I would love to have seen/unseen state available AS WELL... and next year we plan to implement a .newsrc successor for those who don't need cross-tool compatibility, and then we can have all msg status flags available even for R/O folders. > I think it's unfortunate that Terry isn't more aware of AMS. It has > some serious limitations, but it does in fact handle mail and news the > same. When one is in "show new message" mode, one's incoming-mail > folders with new messages show up with all the other folders with new > messages. When one is reading a mail folder, the act of reading a > message once *will* cause the message to not show up ("disappear") the > next time the folder is opened in "show new message" mode. To each his/her own. For me that behavior is be sufficient grounds to not use AMS. I have used that mode for well over a decade and am delighted that I don't have to put up with it anymore. (It drives me crazy to have to explicity mark something to keep it around.) I have no problem with personal preference options for controlling views, as long as they apply uniformly to any kind of folder, and when we have the technology to store sufficient state information for news, I would have no objection to supporting a "show only new messages" mode in Pine, (for both mail and news folders, of course), but still preserving the distinction between "seen" state and msg disposition. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 01:36:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28620; Fri, 9 Sep 94 01:36:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14065; Fri, 9 Sep 94 01:28:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14059; Fri, 9 Sep 94 01:28:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj0vA-00000cC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 01:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ptm@xact.demon.co.uk (Paul Thomas Mahoney) Subject: Carbon copy when replying Message-Id: <1994Sep8.125917.4894@xact.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:59:17 GMT I have the following problem with all mailers I use and PINE is no exception... (minor gripe) I receive mail on a number of topics and file them away in various folders according to the subject matter. When I come to reply to any of this mail I would DEARLY like the reply carbon-copy to be saved in my current folder and not in "sent-mail". Can this be configured? If not can we have this as an option in a future release? Regards, Paul. -- --- Paul Mahoney, X-Act Solutions Limited smail: Owlsmead, Meads Road, Little Common, Bexhill-on-Sea, East Sussex TN39 4SY email: ptm@xact.demon.co.uk ... pmahoney@cix.compulink.co.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 04:53:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03368; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:53:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23064; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:45:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23056; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:45:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj3zE-00000fC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: .sig file problems Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 08:20:18 GMT Scott Selby (Med Heme) wrote: »Help! I'm having problems with my .sig file. It looks jumbled to anyone »who is using PopMail. What's the answer? My first suggestion is to cut it down to 4/5 lines - that's a monster! Secondly, replace each tab with 8 spaces so there's no "strange" characters in it. Liam. »-- [enormous .sig removed] -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 05:16:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03838; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:16:55 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16879; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:03:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16873; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:03:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj4Jr-00000cC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: syb3@aber.ac.uk (SIMON BRADLEY) Subject: Re: Numbers Message-Id: <34pgqk$1as@osfb.aber.ac.uk> References: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:27:16 GMT In article , Steven E. Frazier wrote: > >I use to be able to have 50+ messages and if I wanted to go to message >5 I just typed "5" and it would go there, now it says it doesn't understand, >any ideas how to get that feature back, please? Damn, I did just type you a reply, but the system went down for a minute or two, so I lost it! Anyway, I only compiled Pine last night, so I haven't really had a good look at it yet, but I think the feature that you're after is called 'enable-jump-shortcut'. Hit 's', followed by 'c', from the main menu, and choose this option from the list, and you should be able to just hit the number of the message you want to jump to, as you described. --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 05:25:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04081; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:25:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23509; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:19:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23503; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:19:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj4c4-00000lC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mike_h@indirect.com (Mike Howerton) Subject: Another Pine permission error Date: 8 Sep 1994 23:19:28 GMT Message-Id: <34o660$fa5@herald.indirect.com> OK, I got that last permission problem solved and now I have another one. When I go into pine, I get a beep and a message saying... Error saving configuration in file /home/mike_h/.pinerc:permission denied The program seems to run fine but this error is annoying. Any idea what might be causing this?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 06:13:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05016; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:13:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17601; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:03:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17595; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:03:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj5Dy-00000lC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 05:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rufinus@wisc.edu (Jeffrey Rufinus) Subject: Catching up usenet articles Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 07:28:11 Message-Id: Hi, I am using the pc-pine 3.90 to read usenet articles. I am just wondering how to catch up all articles in a newsgroup using pc-pine 3.90? Thanks. Jeff.- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 06:50:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05758; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:50:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18197; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:44:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18191; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:44:52 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <19028-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:33:31 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA06799; Fri, 9 Sep 94 14:44:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:44:38 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Jeffrey Rufinus Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Catching up usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Step 1: Use Pine's "Select" command to select all the articles. ; A Step 2: Apply a "Delete" command to them. A D All done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Jeffrey Rufinus wrote: > Hi, > I am using the pc-pine 3.90 to read usenet articles. > I am just wondering how to catch up all articles in > a newsgroup using pc-pine 3.90? > Thanks. > > Jeff.- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 07:04:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06038; Fri, 9 Sep 94 07:04:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18374; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:58:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18368; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:58:05 -0700 Received: by ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-940815-1) id AA23603; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:57:27 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Schlitt Subject: Re: Catching up usenet articles To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Jeffrey Rufinus , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And if there are 500 to 1000 unread articles in the group you want to catch up on???? Individually marking them and deleteing them doesn't sound like such a hot solution. /dan -- Dan Schlitt School of Engineering Computer Systems dan@ee-mail.engr.ccny.cuny.edu City College of New York (212)650-6760 New York, NY 10031 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 07:33:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06686; Fri, 9 Sep 94 07:33:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25235; Fri, 9 Sep 94 07:26:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25229; Fri, 9 Sep 94 07:26:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj6Y5-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 07:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: theall1@elmo.TJU.EDU (George Theall) Subject: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 09:39:19 Message-Id: I grabbed the latest release of PC Pine (v3.90 beta) and am having trouble with it. My system is a 486 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.00, PC/TCP v2.2 with v1.10 of their Winsock.DLL, and the Win32s extension v1.15a. First off, I like it! I have it configured so I can read mail located on several hosts, both new and those already in folders, and even read news. However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered salute to shutdown the window. I have been testing several other mail clients on this machine and can indeed send mail with them so I doubt it's the smtp host configuration. Anyone else experiencing this or similar problems? I suspect the win32s extension. George --- theall1@mail.tju.edu Department of Information Systems theall@popmail.tju.edu Thomas Jefferson University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 08:51:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09617; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:51:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26850; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:45:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from scorpio.gold.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26844; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:45:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:44:24 +0100 (BST) From: Guy Boanas Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail To: George Theall Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There have been a few messages about this from people. As I said in one I've been having the same problem using the PC-NFS TCP/IP stack (version 5.0 and 5.1) but all works fine with the Beame & Whiteside version. So far, no response from the Pine Development team as far as I'm aware. A little bug note for the Winsock versions of Pine and Pico: if you use the enable function keys command then F10 can't do what it is supposed to do because under Windows rules it activiates the menu bar. Guy Boanas guy@gold.ac.uk > I grabbed the latest release of PC Pine (v3.90 beta) and am having trouble > with it. My system is a 486 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.00, PC/TCP v2.2 with > v1.10 of their Winsock.DLL, and the Win32s extension v1.15a. > > First off, I like it! I have it configured so I can read mail located on > several hosts, both new and those already in folders, and even read news. > However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > salute to shutdown the window. > > I have been testing several other mail clients on this machine and can > indeed send mail with them so I doubt it's the smtp host configuration. > > Anyone else experiencing this or similar problems? I suspect the win32s > extension. > > > George > --- > theall1@mail.tju.edu Department of Information Systems > theall@popmail.tju.edu Thomas Jefferson University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 09:08:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10843; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:08:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20653; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:59:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20647; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:59:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj85G-00000sC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: Pine Secrets document?? Date: 9 Sep 1994 14:17:52 GMT Message-Id: <34pqqg$8pb@news.cs.tulane.edu> Hi, I'm looking for the Pine "secrets" document posted earlier to the group. Unfortunately, it expired at my site before I grabbed it. If anyone has it and could forward it to me, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. (jsallen@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu) !#!A%*#@@*%g&#@(#%!*&g@#))%&)#i%%!*@@e@#(&%s@)#!%*&#s*)@#u&@#)c!%@!k)#%!&@*)#* --JSA Texas-Ex (Hook 'em Horns!) -- --Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec. Vice-President -- #*@H%#)%%o#@)&@*o)#@!#k&*@#*@e&*#@m&!&*@#@&%H*)@#o&%)*r!@#!n&%*@#s%)&%@%#(#%&^ --- Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the --- world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark --- riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they --- see. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 09:14:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11095; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:14:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20727; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:03:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20721; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:03:02 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA05459; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:01:18 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA01065; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:03:00 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03763; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:02:59 CDT Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:02:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: George Theall Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, George Theall wrote: > I grabbed the latest release of PC Pine (v3.90 beta) and am having trouble > with it. My system is a 486 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.00, PC/TCP v2.2 with > v1.10 of their Winsock.DLL, and the Win32s extension v1.15a. > > First off, I like it! I have it configured so I can read mail located on > several hosts, both new and those already in folders, and even read news. > However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > salute to shutdown the window. > George, I have PC-PINE working (thanks to all who sent suggestions in making it work) on my 386 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.0, Pathworks V4.1 (for DecNet) and use Trumpet's Winsock.DLL. I also have the Win32s extension v1.15a. When I send mail, it goes immediately. I know this doesn't help your problem, but it might suggest that Win32s is not the problem.:( --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 09:32:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12116; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:32:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27945; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:26:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27939; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:25:57 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:23:23 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:23:23 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Jeffrey Rufinus Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Catching up usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Jeffrey Rufinus wrote: > I am using the pc-pine 3.90 to read usenet articles. > I am just wondering how to catch up all articles in > a newsgroup using pc-pine 3.90? > Thanks. How about the sequence: ; a a d ; = Select a = all a = apply d = "delete" (deselect) Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 09:40:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12432; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:40:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28172; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:34:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28166; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:34:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj8Ze-00000fC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Re: FOLDER COMPRESSION.... How? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:22:25 GMT I once asked the Pine authors about this, and they said that they had personally not had a need for it and so they did not have any feature like this built into Pine. Now, I think it would be great, because text compresses so well and many of us are short on disk space. If people sent to the pine authors, and expressed their desire for this, then maybe it would get put in. Let them know! -kevin Jeffrey A. Dilcher (dilcher@netcom.com) wrote: : I am desperately short of disk space, yet, would like to save my incoming : and outgoing mail. : Is there a script or something that will allow me to compress my "sent" : mail and compress any incoming mail to a folder? Anyone doing anything : like this? : Direct responses gratefully appreciated, : -Jeff -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 09:50:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12815; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:50:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21940; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:45:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21934; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:45:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj8nD-00000nC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 09:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: Re: pine.conf= solved Date: 9 Sep 1994 14:53:44 GMT Message-Id: <34psto$43j@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: <34o7bq$i5n@news.ycc.yale.edu> Never mind, my bad -- it does work. Sorry 'bout the wasted bandwidth. LT Lenny Turetsky (lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu) wrote: : Well, you went sort of the long way around. `cat |' unnecessary. : pine -conf > pine.conf : would do the trick. : If you don't mind a bit of advice: get a good book on using Unix. I : recommend Kochan & Wood's _Exploring the Unix System_. : LT : Lonnie Yeung (yeungl@iss-css.admin.issaquah.wednet.edu) wrote: : : In case anybody else wanted to know how to redirect the output from 'pine : : -conf' into a file, i figured it out. 'pine -conf' only shows you a : : file, but the command 'cat | pine -conf >pine.conf' seemed to work for : : me. I am sure i went the long way around the problem, but hey, it works. : : --The idiot : -- : _____________________________________________________________________ : /| | : | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | : | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | : | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | : | | | : | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | : | |_____________________________________________________________________| : |/_____________________________________________________________________/ -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 10:07:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13733; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:07:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22235; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:00:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22229; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:00:25 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA09847 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:22 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.412 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Gardiner Myers To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles In-Reply-To: References: Beak: Is Just to clarify some points about my position: Terry Gray writes: > John favored disabling "D" for news and > having a separate "Junk" command in newsgroups to indicate that you don't > care about the message anymore. I do favor disabling "D" for news, however a separate "Junk" command was put forward as a compromise between our two positions. When it became obvious the attempted compromise was not working, the "Junk" idea was dropped. As for my descriptions of the "browse" and "show new messages" modes being simplistic, I did gloss over some points for brevity. In both modes, one may want to apply a filter so that one only sees an interesting subset of the messages. In "browse" mode, one typically has a filter to only show messages which have not been marked for deletion. One can view "show new messages" mode as an instance of "browse" mode where one has a filter applied to only show messages which have not been marked as being read. (For usability, one may want this particular filter applied only once upon entry to the folder, instead of continuously being applied as messages change state.) A good UI would allow the user to remove/reapply this filter, easily popping between the two modes. In this model, the act of reading a message does not automatically cause it to disappear when the folder is read in "browse" mode. It just causes it to be filtered the next time the folder is read in "show new messages" mode. I thus entirely disagree with Terry's characterization of this model as "overloading" the Seen flag. I think this view comes from the fact that rn/trn doesn't *have* a "browse" mode--one can't get rid of the filter. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 10:33:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15215; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:33:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29482; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:25:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29476; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:25:44 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:22:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:22:45 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Dan Schlitt Cc: Mike Brudenell , Jeffrey Rufinus , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Catching up usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Dan Schlitt wrote: > And if there are 500 to 1000 unread articles in the group you want to > catch up on???? Individually marking them and deleteing them doesn't > sound like such a hot solution. Dan, ; A selects *all* of the articles at once....give it a try. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 10:33:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15238; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:33:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29558; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:28:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29552; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:28:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj9VO-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Question on Alternate Editor Specification Date: 9 Sep 1994 12:04:29 -0400 Message-Id: <34q12e$48o@universe.digex.net> Howdy All, I've got an easy question: I'd like to specify emacs (without X) as my alternate editor. (FWIW, my reason is that I login from home via modem and I don't want to have to mess with my default work setup.) I've tried setting my default editor as: unset DISPLAY; emacs with various quoting schemes, but it doesn't appear to work. Is this something that should? cheers, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 10:58:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16713; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:58:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23418; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:48:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23412; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:48:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qj9oq-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dennis Gehris Subject: Windows Version? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know about Eudora; but is there a Windows version of pine mail? ************************************************************************** Dennis O. Gehris, Ed.D. INTERNET: dg@planetx.bloomu.edu Associate Professor or dg@neptune.bloomu.edu College of Business Bloomsburg University OFFICE: 717-389-4771 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 FAX: 717-389-3892 ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 11:22:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17894; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:22:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00755; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:11:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00749; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:11:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjA5A-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 10:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dennis Gehris Subject: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a return receipt feature in Pine 3.90? By this I mean can you indicate when you compose a message that you want to be notified by email that the receiver has read the message? ************************************************************************** Dennis O. Gehris, Ed.D. INTERNET: dg@planetx.bloomu.edu Associate Professor or dg@neptune.bloomu.edu College of Business Bloomsburg University OFFICE: 717-389-4771 Bloomsburg, PA 17815 FAX: 717-389-3892 ************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 11:40:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18688; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:40:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24292; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:28:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24286; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:28:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjARz-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dragonsl@hebron.connected.com (E. Winnie) Subject: PINE FAQ (?) Date: 9 Sep 1994 10:12:43 -0700 Message-Id: <34q52b$8ii@hebron.connected.com> Is the a Pine FAQ or user info beyond the built in help and info in the .pinerc file? I looked at an FAQ site but couldn't find anything. My specific questions relate to filters (at least right now). When my serive provider updgraded to 3.9 the application asked if I would like more information. I said yes, but since then (8 days and counting, this time) incoming mail is mostly down. If you reply by mail please use one of the address in my signature, not my return address. Thanks Ralph -- Ralph Lindberg N7BSN More hobbies than time Ellen Winnie N7PYK Just because I'm not doing anything email => dragonsl@connected.com doesn't mean I have nothing to do. or => dragonsl@scn.org Members of too MANY clubs! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 12:18:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20157; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:18:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25140; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:10:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25134; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:10:02 -0700 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA17473; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:06:27 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:06:26 -0400 From: James Dryfoos To: Dennis Gehris Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9409091506.AA16076@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Dennis Gehris wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Dennis Gehris > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? > > Is there a return receipt feature in Pine 3.90? > > By this I mean can you indicate when you compose a message that you want > to be notified by email that the receiver has read the message? I thought this was going to be a feature also. Oh well, you can always add your own receipt header line to the header (using the customize header option): Return-Receipt-To: dryfoos@ll.mit.edu Registered-Mail-Reply-Requested-By: dryfoos@ll.mit.edu Above are header lines for delivery receipt and read receipt. Of course, whether these work or not depend on the receiving mailer. Good luck. -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: B-120 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 12:50:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21283; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:50:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02836; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:45:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02830; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:45:29 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA27775; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:43:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Paul Thomas Mahoney Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Carbon copy when replying In-Reply-To: <1994Sep8.125917.4894@xact.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Paul Thomas Mahoney wrote: > I have the following problem with all mailers I use and PINE is > no exception... (minor gripe) > > I receive mail on a number of topics and file them away in various > folders according to the subject matter. When I come to reply to > any of this mail I would DEARLY like the reply carbon-copy to be > saved in my current folder and not in "sent-mail". > > Can this be configured? If not can we have this as an option in a > future release? This may be a clunky way of doing it, but what I did was set the Fcc option in the addressbook for various addresses to a Folder-sent file. For instance, any mail I send to pine-info is saved in Pine-sent automatically. If you want, I suppose you could just set it to Pine (for example). Personally I like to keep my outgoing messages separate, although I does add a bit more clutter to the screen. For anything you don't want to go to a specific folder set the fcc-name-rule to one of the following: by-recipient, last-fcc-used, default-fcc. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 12:54:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21427; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:54:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02813; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:43:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02807; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:43:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjBbi-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 12:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@tigger.jvnc.net (Prof. Peter J. Holsberg) Subject: Re: PC pine 3.90 and DOS 6.3 ????? Message-Id: <1994Sep9.190347.7553@tigger.jvnc.net> References: <34hoh7$1d3@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 19:03:47 GMT Does PC Pine have PC Pico? If so, where can I get it? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 15:13:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28118; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:13:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05987; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:03:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05981; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:03:38 -0700 Received: by dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl id AA08181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:03:20 +0200 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:03:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Richard Kooijman X-Sender: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: READONLY folder using IMAP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am experiencing some strange behavior with Pine and IMAP in case of one particular folder. Before I started using IMAP, I was reading my folders simply through NFS and everything was as expected. Now, I starting using IMAP and one of my folders has suddenly turned READONLY. What makes a folder to be read-only? I know of one case and that's when there are multiple Pine instances accessing the same folder through IMAP. However, there are no multiple instances of Pine running and the folder in question is in the same directory as all of my other folders. The file mode settings as well as the .pinerc settings for this folder are just like any other folder I am using. I have tried mtest to see if it could shed some light on this but it did not provide any further information. Anybody who has some idea of what I could test further or knows what is going on, please mail me. Richard. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 15:13:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28126; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:13:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28884; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:04:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28878; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:04:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjDnX-00000pC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 14:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: raan@netcom.com (Ran Ever-Hadani) Subject: Re: Posting from Pine 3.90 Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 19:30:22 GMT I tried to use Pine 3.90 to post new on my Netcom account. I failed. I posted a query on a local netcom newsgroup and got the following reply: In perdue@netcom.com (Gary Perdue) writes: >Netcom does not allow shell acount users to access their NNTP server. Until >this policy is changed you will have to use another NNTP server or a different >newsreader. If I can ever get a few minutes I will try to patch pine to work >with netcom. Does this mean that pine is only set up to post via NNTP, and it will not allow to post directly on one's local machine? Somehow, I find this hard to believe. -- Ran From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 15:16:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28232; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:16:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28984; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:08:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28978; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:08:12 -0700 Received: (from julie@localhost) by mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) id MAA14106 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:08:53 -1000 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 12:08:53 -1000 From: Julie Jirikowic Message-Id: <199409092208.MAA14106@mokuahi.soest.hawaii.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: addressbook item dumping core X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I have been playing with version 3.9 (on both SunOS and Solaris machines) and have run into a problem with my addressbook. The entries were bogus (made up for testing) but this never happened in 3.89. In the compose window, if I put the test2 (see below) entry in the CC it would dump core with a arithmatic exception. The last time it dumped, it wiped out my whole address book and it came up the next time with the initial message as though I had never before started it up. The offending entries looked *something* like: test anothertest test2 test2 DISTRIBUTION LIST julie@soest.hawaii.edu jfkdlajdksa green test postmaster@soest.hawaii.edu fjkfui test3 test3 DISTRIBUTION LIST j.jirikowic dummy dummy2 This is not identical because, as I said, the whole thing was trashed and I created it months ago. Any ideas? Julie Jirikowic University of Hawaii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 15:49:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29816; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:49:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06913; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:44:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06907; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:44:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjEQ0-00000fC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: MIME and UUENCODE Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine has never had a UUENCODE option. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, James Weaver - Chicago wrote: > > We have something of a mixed bag of pine versions in our company at the > moment. Prior to June everyone used 3.05. Then we moved to 3.89, or at > least we started to. Soon hopefully, we'll go to 3.90; however, not > everyone is happy with 3.89 yet. > > I received this complaint from a user today: > I attached a binary file (an MS Word document) to an > email message I was creating (using pine on denver > server) addressed to a person who uses MS Mail to read > his mail (he has an MS Mail Gateway & we exchange mail > frequently). In the past when I have done this, pine has > prompted me with "attach as a MIME attachment?" &, if I > answer yes, has created a MIME attachment to the email, > &, if I answer no, has created a UUENCODEd inclusion / > attachment within the email. This time, pine simply > created a MIME attachment without asking. This is a > problem because I must exchange binary attachments with > my correspondents who use MS Mail. > > What happened to the UUENCODE option between 3.05 and 3.89/3.90? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jim Weaver > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 16:18:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01148; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:18:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00457; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:12:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00451; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:12:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjEok-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine Secrets document?? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34pqqg$8pb@news.cs.tulane.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34pqqg$8pb@news.cs.tulane.edu> The first time you run Pine 3.90 you will be prompted to request the Pine Secrets document. We would prefer that you obtain it that way. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 9 Sep 1994, Jay Allen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for the Pine "secrets" document posted earlier to the > group. Unfortunately, it expired at my site before I grabbed it. If > anyone has it and could forward it to me, it would be greatly > appreciated! Thanks in advance. > > (jsallen@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu) > > !#!A%*#@@*%g&#@(#%!*&g@#))%&)#i%%!*@@e@#(&%s@)#!%*&#s*)@#u&@#)c!%@!k)#%!&@*)#* > --JSA Texas-Ex (Hook 'em Horns!) -- > --Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec. Vice-President -- > #*@H%#)%%o#@)&@*o)#@!#k&*@#*@e&*#@m&!&*@#@&%H*)@#o&%)*r!@#!n&%*@#s%)&%@%#(#%&^ > > --- Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the > --- world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark > --- riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they > --- see. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 16:20:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01269; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:20:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07652; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:14:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07646; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:14:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjEsv-00000aC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 15:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PINE FAQ (?) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34q52b$8ii@hebron.connected.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34q52b$8ii@hebron.connected.com> The Pine FAQ was last posted to comp.mail.pine on August 29th. It has not yet been posted to other newsgroups (I was hoping for some feedback... :) It is also available from http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 9 Sep 1994, E. Winnie wrote: > Is the a Pine FAQ or user info beyond the built in help and info in > the .pinerc file? I looked at an FAQ site but couldn't find anything. > My specific questions relate to filters (at least right now). > When my serive provider updgraded to 3.9 the application asked if I > would like more information. I said yes, but since then (8 days and > counting, this time) incoming mail is mostly down. If you reply by mail > please use one of the address in my signature, not my return address. > > Thanks Ralph > -- > Ralph Lindberg N7BSN More hobbies than time > Ellen Winnie N7PYK Just because I'm not doing anything > email => dragonsl@connected.com doesn't mean I have nothing to do. > or => dragonsl@scn.org Members of too MANY clubs! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 16:40:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02076; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:40:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00884; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:34:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00878; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:34:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjFDQ-00000cC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 16:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Reynolds Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: George, I'm using v3.90 and also have all the other things installed you mention, with the exception that I'm using Windows for Workgroups tcp/ip (1st official release version). I have win32s v1.15a installed, and MS-DOS 6.20. Perhaps it doesn't like something in PC/TCP's winsock?? Mike Reynolds Univ of Washington Library Systems reynolds@u.washington.edu On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, George Theall wrote: > I grabbed the latest release of PC Pine (v3.90 beta) and am having trouble > with it. My system is a 486 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.00, PC/TCP v2.2 with > v1.10 of their Winsock.DLL, and the Win32s extension v1.15a. > > First off, I like it! I have it configured so I can read mail located on > several hosts, both new and those already in folders, and even read news. > However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > salute to shutdown the window. > > I have been testing several other mail clients on this machine and can > indeed send mail with them so I doubt it's the smtp host configuration. > > Anyone else experiencing this or similar problems? I suspect the win32s > extension. > > > George > --- > theall1@mail.tju.edu Department of Information Systems > theall@popmail.tju.edu Thomas Jefferson University > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 18:41:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05906; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:41:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10359; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:34:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10353; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:34:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjH2U-00000aC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Auto subscribe to news groups Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 13:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: About the only way to do that now is to copy a short .newsrc file to each user's directory when you create the account... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, michael wrote: > I would like to have several news groups automaticaly subscribed to by my > new users. I know that "TIN" (yikes) has this capability via a file > called subscription that is located in /usr/lib/local/news directory. > > Is this a possibility with PINE 3.90? > > Thank you... > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 19:01:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06349; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:01:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03123; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:57:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03117; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:57:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjHNt-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu (S.K. Jagarlamudi) Subject: Problem with pine!!! Date: 9 Sep 1994 20:23:43 GMT Message-Id: <34qg8f$d5s@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu> hi I'm new to pine and I seem to be having a problem with it we use sendmail with db and we use the first.last names to send the mail out, however pine refuses to send them out that way. Elm sends it out right too. Any ideas what I'm supposed to do? thanks sunil -- ////////////////////////////////// Sunil //////// Homer is never home! //////// skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu //////// ////////////////////////////////// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 19:08:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06504; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:08:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10828; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:04:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10822; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:04:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjHVh-00000aC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) Subject: Re: Pine Secrets document?? Message-Id: References: <34pqqg$8pb@news.cs.tulane.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 23:47:55 GMT I found that if I remove or rename the .pinerc file, that Pine will ask you if you want this document again. -- Jim >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for the Pine "secrets" document posted earlier to the >> group. Unfortunately, it expired at my site before I grabbed it. If >> anyone has it and could forward it to me, it would be greatly >> appreciated! Thanks in advance. >> >> (jsallen@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu) >> >> !#!A%*#@@*%g&#@(#%!*&g@#))%&)#i%%!*@@e@#(&%s@)#!%*&#s*)@#u&@#)c!%@!k)#%!&@*)#* >> --JSA Texas-Ex (Hook 'em Horns!) -- >> --Tulane Medical School SEISA Exec. Vice-President -- >> #*@H%#)%%o#@)&@*o)#@!#k&*@#*@e&*#@m&!&*@#@&%H*)@#o&%)*r!@#!n&%*@#s%)&%@%#(#%&^ >> >> --- Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the >> --- world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark >> --- riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they >> --- see. >> >> Jim Boyer e-mail: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Washington State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 19:27:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06894; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:27:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11103; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:23:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11097; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:23:52 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23501; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:23:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 19:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jim Boyer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Secrets document?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Jim Boyer wrote: > I found that if I remove or rename the .pinerc file, that Pine will ask > you if you want this document again. Alternatively: "pine -p foo" will achieve the same result (except for the side-effect of creating a file called "foo"). However: make sure that you don't need to have "user-domain" set in your pinerc in order for your "From: " address to be correct. Normally this will be set in the global pine.conf, so *most* folks will be OK, but we are seeing that a number of attempts to send the document have failed because of bogus return addresses. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 19:33:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07015; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:33:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11171; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:30:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11165; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:30:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjHxR-00000aC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: (slight) bug Date: 9 Sep 1994 23:56:58 GMT Message-Id: <34qsoa$eqt@news.ycc.yale.edu> If you start to reply to a letter, postpone the reply, and finish it later, the letter to which you replied is not marked as answered. LT -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 19:34:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07046; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:34:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03490; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:30:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03484; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:30:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjHxQ-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: Re: FOLDER COMPRESSION.... How? Date: 9 Sep 1994 23:54:59 GMT Message-Id: <34qskj$eqt@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: I, too, think this would be wonderful. Better yet, however, would be an on-the-fly file compression/decompression (using gzip a/o compress) for unix that a user can just set up in his/her login sequence. Anyone know of any? LT -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 20:16:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07741; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:16:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03996; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:12:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03990; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:12:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjIZt-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tigerwolf@yiffy.tigerden.com (George F. Nemeyer) Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 Date: 10 Sep 1994 00:45:12 GMT Message-Id: <34qvio$ga5@ns.oar.net> References: GH Chinoy (hussain@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote: > Hi everyone, > I just compiled pine (build nxt) 3.90 and it seem to work flawlessly > on our NeXT machines running NS 3.2 > Apparently, though, users have been recieving this message right > after they quit, after having marked some mail in their INBOXes deleted: > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > IOT trap. > Any clues? I got this message after upgrading from unix pine 3.89 to 3.90 on a Linux system. It seemed to be complaining about the old 3.89 global /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. I renamed a new .pinerc file and replaced the old one, and that seemed to have fixed it. =^_^= Tigerwolf From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 20:18:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07817; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:18:58 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11795; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:14:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11789; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:14:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjIae-00000aC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 19:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tigerwolf@yiffy.tigerden.com (George F. Nemeyer) Subject: 3.90 Addressbook Incompatability Date: 10 Sep 1994 01:08:08 GMT Message-Id: <34r0to$ga5@ns.oar.net> We just upgraded from unix pine 3.89 to 3.90 on our Linux systems (kernels 1.0 and 1.1.34). Everything seems fine except the new version will not properly use the old .addressbook, even though it *says* it is opening it. It shows the addressbook to be empty. The new version also creates an .addressbook.lu file which seems to contain a string of numbers. What's going on? Is there a way to convert the older 3.89 .addressbook for use in 3.90? Or is there some subtle configuration that I've missed? (n.b. the brief status message *says* it is using the proper ~/.addressbook file) George F. Nemeyer (root@tigerden.com) System Administrator Tigerden.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 20:34:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08392; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:34:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12049; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:29:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12042; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:29:16 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 11:26:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 11:26:22 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: James Dryfoos Cc: Dennis Gehris , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? In-Reply-To: <9409091506.AA16076@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Dennis Gehris wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Dennis Gehris > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? > > > > Is there a return receipt feature in Pine 3.90? > > > > By this I mean can you indicate when you compose a message that you want > > to be notified by email that the receiver has read the message? > > I thought this was going to be a feature also. You know....since there is no standard....since (thankfully) pine seeks to adhere to standards it is great to see that they didn't include anything on this *mis-feature*. > Oh well, you can always add your own receipt header line to the header > (using the customize header option): > > Return-Receipt-To: dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > Registered-Mail-Reply-Requested-By: dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > > Above are header lines for delivery receipt and read receipt. > Of course, whether these work or not depend on the receiving mailer. I wonder what recognizes "Registered-Mail-Reply-Requested-By:" ???? Now can you just see all the posts you would see if the pine team were to include such a *mis-feature*? "I put that header in and I sent mail to 30,000 people and I never got a reply!!!" I doubt that anyone needs to have "confirmation" (and I use that word very loosely). The "best" receipt request you can use is a very simple......"Let me know you got this..." in the body of your message. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 20:36:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08538; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:36:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12112; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:31:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12106; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:31:54 -0700 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08233; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:30:28 -0700 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08227; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:30:26 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04202; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:30:25 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24621; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:30:19 -0700 Reply-To: Terry Gray Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 20:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Re: 3.90 Addressbook Incompatability X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: "George F. Nemeyer" X-Cc: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu George, A nasty bug in 3.90 has just been tracked down. If there are any blank lines in the addressbook file, Pine does bad things to it. (If this does not explain the problem you are experiencing, please send additional details to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu) -teg p.s. I've CC'd "pine-announce" rather than "pine-info" to disseminate this information as widely as possible. On 10 Sep 1994, George F. Nemeyer wrote: > We just upgraded from unix pine 3.89 to 3.90 on our Linux systems (kernels > 1.0 and 1.1.34). Everything seems fine except the new version will not > properly use the old .addressbook, even though it *says* it is opening it. > It shows the addressbook to be empty. The new version also creates an > .addressbook.lu file which seems to contain a string of numbers. > > What's going on? Is there a way to convert the older 3.89 .addressbook > for use in 3.90? Or is there some subtle configuration that I've > missed? (n.b. the brief status message *says* it is using the proper > ~/.addressbook file) > > George F. Nemeyer (root@tigerden.com) > System Administrator > Tigerden.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 20:42:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08759; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:42:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12293; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:38:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12287; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:38:31 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 11:35:57 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 11:35:56 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Terry Gray Cc: Jim Boyer , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Secrets document?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Jim Boyer wrote: > > > I found that if I remove or rename the .pinerc file, that Pine will ask > > you if you want this document again. > > Alternatively: "pine -p foo" will achieve the same result (except for > the side-effect of creating a file called "foo"). "pine -p /dev/null" works fine too...and doesn't foo you. :-) Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 21:07:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09376; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:07:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12638; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:00:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12632; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:00:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjJIa-00000ZC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 20:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@pjh.jvnc.net (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Re: SVR4 and pine won't compile, help! Message-Id: References: <34n31s$9g3@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:57:02 GMT In article <34n31s$9g3@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> giles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) writes: >I have downloaded Pine 3.90, added "-Dconst=" to the pine makefile >and it all works beautifully now. Why do you need to redefine "const"? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Pete Holsberg The House On *This* Side Of U.S. 1 44 Lopatcong Drive pjh@mccc.edu Ewing, NJ 08638 pjh@pjh.jvnc.net FAX: 609-586-2318 ------------------------------------------------------------------ **** Trenton Computer Festival **** April 22-23, 1995 **** ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 21:40:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10048; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:40:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05302; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:35:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05296; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:35:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjJqb-00000cC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: theall1@elmo.TJU.EDU (George Theall) Subject: Re: PC pine 3.90 and DOS 6.3 ????? Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:39:56 Message-Id: References: <34hoh7$1d3@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <1994Sep9.190347.7553@tigger.jvnc.net> >Does PC Pine have PC Pico? If so, where can I get it? For those interested, Pine does indeed exist (in beta form) as a Windows application. It comes with PC Pico too. Like much other pine-related material, you can retrieve a copy from ftp.cac.washington.edu. The windows version is available as: pcpine_w.zip in /pine/pcpine. George --- theall1@mail.tju.edu Department of Information Systems theall@popmail.tju.edu Thomas Jefferson University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 22:01:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10482; Fri, 9 Sep 94 22:01:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13389; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:57:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13383; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:57:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjKBe-00000cC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 21:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@andrew.triumf.ca (Andrew Daviel) Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 Date: 10 Sep 1994 03:16:10 GMT Message-Id: <34r8dq$jqu@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: GH Chinoy (hussain@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote: : Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". : Exiting pine. : IOT trap. : Any clues? I saw this when I had defined a read-message-folder. Undefine it and it goes away. I filed a bug report and they know about it - fixed in 3.91 --

Andrew Daviel , TRIUMF , Vancouver, Canada


advax@triumf.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 9 23:47:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12540; Fri, 9 Sep 94 23:47:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06827; Fri, 9 Sep 94 23:43:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06821; Fri, 9 Sep 94 23:42:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjLoa-00000fC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 23:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jazz@hebron.connected.com (Reid Cameron Conti) Subject: LISTEN Date: 9 Sep 1994 23:19:20 -0700 Message-Id: <34rj58$h3k@gibeah.connected.com> NOBODY LISTENED LAST TIME!!! Can I use the flag command to move multiple items of mail to one folder???? It was SUPPOSED TO, but doesn't seem to work!!!!! -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | jazz@gibeah.connected.com Prodigy, AOL, Netcom users: lamer@netcom.com | | http://gibeah.connected.com/~jazz/jazz.homepage.html | Long Live Dhall! | \_________________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 00:04:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12953; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:04:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14996; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:00:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14990; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:00:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjM6p-00000iC; Fri, 9 Sep 94 23:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu Subject: HELP HELP HELP Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 23:40:52 UNDEFINED Message-Id: After reading mail, how can I make the mail as unread again? The reason I ask is because if I read it first with the telnet way and later check it with Eudora, the Eudora won't recognize the read mail as new mail anymore? Is there any way to solve this other than not checking with telnet first? I know there should be some other way, but I don't know how. Thanks.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 01:11:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14545; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:11:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15966; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:06:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ns.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15960; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:06:45 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qjNSY-000DM5C; Sat, 10 Sep 94 04:06 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 04:06:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: Re: HELP HELP HELP To: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994 eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu wrote: > After reading mail, how can I make the mail as unread again? > The reason I ask is because if I read it first with the telnet way and later > check it with Eudora, the Eudora won't recognize the read mail as new mail > anymore? Is there any way to solve this other than not checking with telnet > first? I know there should be some other way, but I don't know how. > Thanks.... You could save it by the day, week, or month then tar cvf -o Oct.files and and the end of the period gunzip -c *.files for max compression and you got it all. Dave ___ **************************************************************************** No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads! **************************************************************************** Dave M. Harvey Key ID B3 CC E2 DD PO Box 151311 Fingerprint 43 52 55 1F 6C 48 91 1F Columbus, OH 43215-8311 4C B9 90 AA 04 DC 76 AF Also availble at dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 01:18:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14678; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:18:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07980; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:15:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07974; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:15:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjNKo-00000iC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 00:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlinford@helix.net (D. Linford) Subject: Re: Question on Alternate Editor Specification Date: 10 Sep 1994 00:01:18 -0700 Message-Id: <34rlju$okt@vertigo.helix.net> References: <34q12e$48o@universe.digex.net> In article <34q12e$48o@universe.digex.net>, John Red-Horse wrote: > >Howdy All, > >I've got an easy question: I'd like to specify emacs (without X) as my >alternate editor. (FWIW, my reason is that I login from home via modem >and I don't want to have to mess with my default work setup.) > >I've tried setting my default editor as: > > unset DISPLAY; emacs > >with various quoting schemes, but it doesn't appear to work. Is this >something that should? > >cheers, >john How about setting up an alias for a non-existant editor, (or emacs client), and have the alias invoke emacs in the way you require? Can't say it will work, but is simple enough to set up. d -- ---- D.Linford ------------- Van.BC ---- ---- dlinford@vertigo.helix.net -------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 01:49:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15372; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:49:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16463; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:45:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16457; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:45:38 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:42:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 16:42:51 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP HELP HELP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Sep 1994 eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu wrote: > After reading mail, how can I make the mail as unread again? > The reason I ask is because if I read it first with the telnet way and later > check it with Eudora, the Eudora won't recognize the read mail as new mail > anymore? Is there any way to solve this other than not checking with telnet > first? I know there should be some other way, but I don't know how. > Thanks.... I'm not sure I know what you mean by "the telnet way". But, assuming you are talking about pine...... You can used *(Flag) n(new). This will cause the Status: header to change from Status: RO to Status: O Hope this helps.... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 01:55:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15510; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:55:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16549; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:52:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16543; Sat, 10 Sep 94 01:52:25 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:49:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 16:49:54 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Reid Cameron Conti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: LISTEN In-Reply-To: <34rj58$h3k@gibeah.connected.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Sep 1994, Reid Cameron Conti wrote: > NOBODY LISTENED LAST TIME!!! Can I use the flag command to move multiple > items of mail to one folder???? It was SUPPOSED TO, but doesn't seem to > work!!!!! You don't have to SHOUT!! First, you seem to be unreachable.... PING hebron.connected.com (162.148.251.254): 56 data bytes 36 bytes from sl-connected-1-S0-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.194) Destination Host Unreachable Vr HL TOS Len ID Flg off TTL Pro cks Src Dst Data 4 5 00 0054 e2a7 0 0000 e8 01 b1b8 81b31e02 a294fbfe Second, you don't want the "flag" command. You want the ;(Select) command and the a(Apply) command. You type ;(Select) then choose the criteria. Once you've done that you type a(Apply) and the s(save). OK? Now best get your link fixed.....and stop shouting at all these nice, helpful people. Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 02:34:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16268; Sat, 10 Sep 94 02:34:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16976; Sat, 10 Sep 94 02:30:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16970; Sat, 10 Sep 94 02:30:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjOVu-00000kC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 02:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hph@oslonett.no (Hans Petter Holen) Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles Date: 10 Sep 1994 09:14:04 GMT Message-Id: <34rtcs$efo@hasle.oslonett.no> References: >There is no question in my mind that "seen" status and disposition should >be kept distinct, and that recording a user's *explicit* statement about >the disposition of a message is more important than recording a state >change triggered implicitly by viewing. This seems reasonable as a default to me. But I would like to be able to tailor my Mail/news reader to do automatic-delete-when-seen. This should be on a pr. folder basis, as I would like to do this on some of my mail-folders and most of the newsgroups I read. Hans Petter Holen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 04:46:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19497; Sat, 10 Sep 94 04:46:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10535; Sat, 10 Sep 94 04:43:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10529; Sat, 10 Sep 94 04:43:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjQX6-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 04:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu Subject: Since there's no alt.mail.chameleon, HELP Plz. Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 04:13:01 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Hi, I was just wonder how come my Chameleon mailer program can ONLY recieved/get 108 mails, even though there were more than 108 new mails? when i check with PINE there were 200 NEW mails. Thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 05:46:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20797; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:46:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19625; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:43:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19619; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:43:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjRSz-00001OC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Morgan Davis Subject: Bug Report: PINE 3.90 Address Book is Broken Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-5758-779099379=:24187" Content-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 09:55:43 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-5758-779099379=:24187 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: We just installed Pine 3.90 after a fairly painless build under SCO Unix (uname details: Release = 3.2v4.2, KernelID = 93/04/28, Machine = Pentium, BusType = ISA). Compiler is gcc 2.5.8 in -O2 mode. Everything seems to work fine except for the Addressbook section, which treats all addressbooks as read only, doesn't update the screen when the cursor moves to select other entries, and doesn't list the usual two rows of command keys at the bottom of the screen. The previous version we ran was 3.87 with no problems. Your prompt attention to this will help us appease our subscriber base. Let me know how I can be of assistance in helping to address this problem. --Morgan Davis Administrator ___ ____ ___ / / /__ Network | Tel (619) 637-3637 | Mail: support@cts.com /__ / ___/ Services | Fax (619) 637-3630 | WWW: http://www.cts.com ---559023410-5758-779099379=:24187-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 05:54:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20909; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:54:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11334; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:51:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11319; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:51:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjRak-00001PC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 05:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: altschh@iia.org (Howard Altschuler) Subject: How to post to NTTP server? Date: 10 Sep 1994 12:16:45 GMT Message-Id: <34s83d$66@ankh.iia.org> When using pine 3.90 to respond to a message from a usenet group, I get the following message: Can't post, NNTP-server must be defined!] How do I define an NNTP server? Thanks -- Howard Altschuler, New Jersey, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 07:13:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22116; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:13:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12134; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:08:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eng.infinet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12128; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:08:43 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 10:07:59 -400 (EDT) From: "Steven E. Frazier" To: Kenny Wickstrom Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: mailcap file In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kenny, If you get an example could you send me a copy? I would like to figure out how to set it up so I could file attach a tif file like a fax and have the receiving end be able to view it and do whatever they want with it after that, store it pitch it, whatever. thanks. Steve On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Kenny Wickstrom wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to view an image file that was sent as an attachment to a > mail message. I understand I need to set up a mailcap file, however I > can't seem to find any documentation on setting up this file. The > release notes say a sample mailcap file was in the distribution, however > I can't seem to find it. > > Can someone please send be an example mailcap file? The image viewer I > want to use is 'xv'. > > Thanks, > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |/ | | > |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) > ======== > // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. > // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 > // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 > // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) > Telecommunications Division // > _// > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 07:48:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22701; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:48:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21000; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:45:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20994; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:45:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjTJY-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: forwarding in newsgroups Date: 10 Sep 94 14:18:28 GMT Message-Id: References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >We agree... This will be fixed in 3.91. >-teg >On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Greg Martz wrote: >> >> Was reading newsgroups and found a message there I wanted to forward to >> another user here locally. Hit F to forward, but it stayed in that >> newsgroup header format instead of asking for the e-mail address of the >> person I wanted to forward to. Anyone know why? Shouldn't forward >> default to e-mail rather than forwarding into the same newsgroup? >> >> Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet >> Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA >> info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider >> >> I am not so sure I would consider this a bug. In normal newsreaders, f is followup, which means forward to the news group. I find it rather confusing to have to remember different mnemonics for different tools, and I have a newsreader I am very happy with, but this kind of key-binding stuff ought to be user configurable, or offer different compatibility sets, such as lynx does for vi or emacs compatibility. In news readers you generally 'm' to send the current article to another user. How does one currently followup a posting with pine? -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:04:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22997; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:04:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12695; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:00:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12689; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:00:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjTYF-00000iC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles Date: 10 Sep 94 14:27:19 GMT Message-Id: References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >Joe, >News readers and mail readers have traditionally treated messages >differently. News readers usually make messages "disappear" by virtue >of simply looling at them once. Mail readers never do that, at least I >don't know of any examples that do. When you have a tool that does both >mail and news, you either have to pick *one* paradigm, or have a >confusing modality. There is no confusing modality in nn: if the folder being looked at is entered as a file, such as your saved news or mail folder, then all articles are shown, on the other hand, if the folder is in the news spool (either in a local spool area or through nntp), it treats the articles as excluded once you have seen them. >Moreover, given that you only get one bit of per-message state in the >.newsrc, you have to decide what that bit should mean: (1) that the >message has been seen once, or (2) that the user has explicitly >indicated that it is no longer of interest and marked Deleted, >or if you prefer, "Dismissed" it. In my mind, that's a no-brainer. >This design decision was debated at great length, and we came down on >the side of consistent usage between mail and news as the fundamental >principle we cared about, more than consistency with the way other news >readers behave. It was not acceptable to us to have Pine start "hiding" >messages simply because someone looked at them once, nor was it >acceptable to have a completely differenet behavior for mail and news. I am not sure what the behavior is here, since I still use nn, but I take it to mean that pine continues to show you all the articles in the spool unless you actively expunge them? If that is so, please make this a configuration issue rather than a "design issue". Pine already has to be able to tell the difference between a news spool and a save folder, allow us to treat them differently. It has been so much easier to introduce new users to pine than elm as an MUA. I think continuing to present already read articles in the news spool area is mildly brain-damaged behavior. Please make this configurable. There is a very real cognitive difference here between mail and news: the default assumption when looking at my mailbox is that the articles are to me and may be of some interest to me, while the default assumption for news is that the articles are broadcast and are probably of no interest to me. It is reasonable to have to actively discard messages that are for me, but I should have to actively save messages that are broadcast. >That you cannot expunge news messages is true, but you CAN eXclude them. >And, by the way, it is possible to have shared mailboxes where eXpunge >is not permitted as well, so this concept is not unique to news. >-teg >On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: >> >> In User Services here we were talking about pine's surprising handling >> of .newsrc. It seems very counterintuitive to use the delete command >> on news articles since the user does not truly have the ability to >> delete and expunge. We'd have figured you would use the same trigger >> as you do with mail to mark articles as seen or unseen. This way >> users would simply read news, and on leaving the newsgroup pine would >> update .newsrc to show which articles were seen-- just as trn or other >> newsreaders would do-- and just as pine itself does with mail files. >> >> Don't your users in Washington get confused about this? People here >> keep asking why they can't expunge articles, based on the fact that >> they can mark them deleted. If the implementation of the delete >> command was based on user comments, we'd be curious to see more >> information. We're scratching our heads here over this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems >> Columbia University in the City of New York >> brennan@columbia.edu >> >> -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:20:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23385; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:20:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21429; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:16:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21423; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:16:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjTrB-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 07:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles Date: 10 Sep 94 14:47:47 GMT Message-Id: References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >Well, John and I have been over this ground before without any sign of >convergence of our views, but just in case others are interested in the >debate, I'll annotate his comments to emphasize that I reject both the >characterization and the conclusion... [...] >To each his/her own. For me that behavior is be sufficient grounds to >not use AMS. I have used that mode for well over a decade and am >delighted that I don't have to put up with it anymore. (It drives me >crazy to have to explicity mark something to keep it around.) The problem with this is that if I do not explicitly save something in the news spool it will expire and be gone whether I wish it to or not. On the other hand, if I do not explicitly save something in my mail spool, it will stay around until the sysadmin notices my mailspool is going over 25M again. The main problem with Terry's argument as I understand it is that the default system treatment of the respective spools for news and mail is different, there the user needs to know that if shee does not store an article from news into a folder *it WILL go away*. We do not need two state bits in newsrc, we simply need to know whether we are reading from a spool or from a folder and that we are reading news, which we already know or we would not be able to deal with the news message format. The assumption with a folder or a mail spool is that messages will stay around. The assumption with a news spool has to made aware to the user. If she doesn't save it it will no longer be available. Once it is saved, it is in a folder, and deleting from a folder needs to be explicit. There is another issue: I read most of my mail, but only about 10% of the articles in any of the dozens/hundreds of newsgroups I read. I simply do not have the time to reread *OR* mark as eXclude the messages or message headers of the tens of 1000's of articles I choose not to read in these groups in a week. >I have no problem with personal preference options for controlling views, >as long as they apply uniformly to any kind of folder, and when we have >the technology to store sufficient state information for news, I would >have no objection to supporting a "show only new messages" mode in Pine, >(for both mail and news folders, of course), but still preserving the >distinction between "seen" state and msg disposition. You already have to pieces of state information: news or mail? and spool or folder? unless I am sorely mistaken. Please make this configurable. >-teg -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:24:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23475; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:24:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13030; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:21:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13024; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:21:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjTvs-00000iC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: posting error Date: 10 Sep 94 15:01:32 GMT Message-Id: References: <34nq9h$1u9@APlatform.aplatform.com> David L Miller writes: >That message is coming from the NNTP server. Pine does passes it along for >your information. Was your post a reply with alot of included text? >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA >On 8 Sep 1994, michael wrote: >> I am very pleased with pinbe v3.90. Good job ppl. However when I try to >> post to a newsgroup I get "error posting message: 441 article not posted >> - more included text than new". One way to beat this is to indent the quote character in your editor, or change the quote character. I changed the default quote character in nn to prepend a space. Now I do not get that error any more. ;) >> >> >> Any help would be appreciated.. >> >> >> >> This was a feature when uucp was slow and expensive. When TCP/IP became cheap, it did not matter as much. Now that low-price unlimited-connect TCP/IP dialups are getting expensive again, I guess it might be a feature again. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:24:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23483; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:24:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21509; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:21:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21500; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:21:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjTxt-00000kC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 News Problems Date: 10 Sep 94 15:06:09 GMT Message-Id: References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >Greg, >Would the problem be solved if the "Empty List" message was changed to say >something about 'Use "A Subscribe" to add newsgroups" ? >-teg Another possible good solution is to encourage users to setup for news with Yanoff's ChooseNews program. >On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Greg E. Myers wrote: >> I have Pine 3.90 running on solaris 2.3. It appears that there is a bug >> in pine when the .newsrc file does not exist in the users home >> directory. The "Select Here" button changes to "Empty List - Select here >> to try reexpanding" and a 0 byte .newsrc file is created in the users >> home directory. This is not a problem if one has another news reader to >> run first, but we don't want to make users run a specific news reader >> since pine can do mail and news... Does anyone know what to do about this? >> >> Thank You >> >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> |............................. Greg Myers ...............................| >> | Center for Academic Computing * Phone: 717-389-4781 | >> | Bloomsburg University * Fax: 717--389-3846 | >> | Bloomsburg, PA 17815 * email: gem@planetx.bloomu.edu | >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:34:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23720; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:34:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13156; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:31:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13150; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:31:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjU7R-00000lC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: Since there's no alt.mail.chameleon, HELP Plz. Date: 10 Sep 1994 14:38:50 GMT Message-Id: <34sgdq$b0f@news.halcyon.com> References: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu writes: >Hi, I was just wonder how come my Chameleon mailer program can ONLY >recieved/get 108 mails, even though there were more than 108 new mails? when i >check with PINE there were 200 NEW mails. Your question would best be answered by NetManage, the folks who support the Chameleon package. I'd hazard a guess that the flags used to mark new messages in pine differ from those used by the other mail interface. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 08:57:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24305; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:57:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13428; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:53:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13422; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:53:32 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04173; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:53:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 08:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "R. Stewart Ellis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Sep 1994, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > The problem with this is that if I do not explicitly save something in the > news spool it will expire and be gone whether I wish it to or not. On the > other hand, if I do not explicitly save something in my mail spool, it will > stay around until the sysadmin notices my mailspool is going over 25M again. Stew, Your assumptions may be correct for your particular site, but they are not correct for everyone. Some sites expire incoming mail in lieu of having hard quotas on mail servers. And some newsgroups at some sites are never expired. Likewise, many people subscribe to email lists that have identical "content" properties as the news groups you read (i.e. messages probably of less importance), and some sites use newsgroups to convey very critical information that is as important as any mail message. Mail and news transport are alternative technologies for delivering messages. Period. For tool-builders, it is a mistake to ascribe fundamentally different properties to them, even though for any particular user's patterns of use your assumptions may be valid. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 09:17:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24866; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:17:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22220; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:13:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22214; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:13:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjUjZ-00000kC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 08:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dragonsl@hebron.connected.com (E. Winnie) Subject: Re: LISTEN Date: 10 Sep 1994 08:44:46 -0700 Message-Id: <34sk9e$gfl@hebron.connected.com> References: <34rj58$h3k@gibeah.connected.com> His question on moving several messages at once useing flag/select/etc was answered. He just didn't bother to read it. -- Ralph Lindberg N7BSN More hobbies than time Ellen Winnie N7PYK Just because I'm not doing anything email => dragonsl@connected.com doesn't mean I have nothing to do. or => dragonsl@scn.org Members of too MANY clubs! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 09:35:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25198; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:35:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22443; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:31:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22431; Sat, 10 Sep 94 09:31:05 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:28:33 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 00:28:33 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Howard Altschuler Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to post to NTTP server? In-Reply-To: <34s83d$66@ankh.iia.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: > When using pine 3.90 to respond to a message from a usenet group, I get the > following message: > > > Can't post, NNTP-server must be defined!] > > > How do I define an NNTP server? 1. Go the the Main Menu 2. Go to Setup 3. Go to Configure 4. See the line: nntp-server = 5. Place the cursor on that line and use "a" to add an entry. 6. Add the host name of your NNTP server... If you don't know your NNTP server....then I can't help you...I'm too far away...best ask your sysadmin. > Howard Altschuler, New Jersey, USA I was Exit 13....how about you? Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 10:39:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26438; Sat, 10 Sep 94 10:39:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14688; Sat, 10 Sep 94 10:36:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14682; Sat, 10 Sep 94 10:36:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjW57-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 10:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chucko@eskimo.com (Charles Albertson) Subject: Annoying Message in Pine 3.90 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 15:29:47 GMT Every time I launch Pine 3.90, I get a message inviting me to continue composing a message that was interrupted -- probably left over when my server cut me off in the middle of a message. When I hit "yes" (just to call the bugger up and get rid of it), it informs me that the folder is empty and there is really no message to continue composing. And I still get the "continue composing" message every time I go into Pine. How can I rid myself of this pest? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 12:11:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28478; Sat, 10 Sep 94 12:11:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24199; Sat, 10 Sep 94 12:06:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24193; Sat, 10 Sep 94 12:06:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjXVA-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 11:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eabu356@ea.oac.uci.edu Subject: HELP, How can i do "(flag) n(new)"? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 11:44:12 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Hi, Last time someone who was very kind showed told me to do "(flag) n(new)" on pine to remark already read-mail to unread/new mail. But because I'm not well versed with PINE, could someone tell me specifically how I can do that after loading PINE? Thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 16:21:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03207; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:21:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18871; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:14:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18865; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:14:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjbHS-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 15:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Bug Report: PINE 3.90 Address Book is Broken Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 21:51:58 GMT Message-Id: References: Morgan Davis (mdavis@cts.com) wrote: : We just installed Pine 3.90 after a fairly painless build under SCO Unix : (uname details: Release = 3.2v4.2, KernelID = 93/04/28, Machine = Pentium, : BusType = ISA). Compiler is gcc 2.5.8 in -O2 mode. : Everything seems to work fine except for the Addressbook section, which : treats all addressbooks as read only, doesn't update the screen when the : cursor moves to select other entries, and doesn't list the usual two rows : of command keys at the bottom of the screen. The previous version we : ran was 3.87 with no problems. I am able, with the same SCO software running on a 486/EISA, to properly use all the addressbook functions, and I have no screen drawing problems. You might try doing a clean rebuild of the whole system, just in case there were any irregularities in compiling the addressbook function modules (I think there are two files involved). You might also try using the stock SCO C compiler, if you've got it, to see if there's any difference in compiled versions. If you don't have the stock SCO C compiler, and you feel like trusting me, you can pick up the binary I built from soils.agron.iastate.edu in /pub/sco/unix/pine. I can assure you that this is not a bug in Pine per se, but in something strange about the environment you built under. Since the problems are in the Addressbook functions, alphabetically the first block of modules, there might have been some problem early on in the compilation process which was resolved later. Did you interrupt your compile and restart it later? Anyway, a clean rebuild will fix any of those problems. Keep me posted, I'm always glad to help. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 16:38:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03541; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:38:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27397; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:31:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27391; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:31:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjbdn-00000hC; Sat, 10 Sep 94 16:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jim Cameron Subject: PC-Pine Password File Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 19:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I installed the Winsock version of PC-Pine and answered the prompts when I first started it. I was never prompted for a password and when it tried connecting to my inbox on one of our Sun workstations the connection was refused. Since the Technical Notes mentioned a pine.pwd file I created one of those in the same directory as my pinerc file. I even put my password in the file, even though the Technical Notes indicated that the password is stored in that file in an encrypted format, but got no further. The Technical Notes don't tell me how to get my password into the file and I can't find information elsewhere on how to do it. What do I need to do? I don't see why it would matter, but I am running Windows NT. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 17:19:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04405; Sat, 10 Sep 94 17:19:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27985; Sat, 10 Sep 94 17:12:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27979; Sat, 10 Sep 94 17:12:00 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14254; Sat, 10 Sep 94 17:12:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine Password File In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Pine won't prompt you for credentials until after it has established a connection to the IMAP server. Are you sure that the Sun is running an imapd? You can test this with the command telnet 143 If you don't get a "connection refused", enter ". logout" to terminate the imap session. If you *do* get a "connection refused" you need to arrange to get an imap server running on your mail host. Ours is available as part of the Pine distribution (/pine/pine.tar.Z) or in the /pine/unix-bin directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu Incidentally: I don't know if you used Pine or a different program to post your inquiry, but please fix your configuration asap to have a valid "user-domain". On the msg you posted your return address said: Jim Cameron which is not a valid address. -teg On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, Jim Cameron wrote: > I installed the Winsock version of PC-Pine and answered the prompts when > I first started it. I was never prompted for a password and when it > tried connecting to my inbox on one of our Sun workstations the > connection was refused. Since the Technical Notes mentioned a pine.pwd > file I created one of those in the same directory as my pinerc file. I > even put my password in the file, even though the Technical Notes > indicated that the password is stored in that file in an encrypted > format, but got no further. The Technical Notes don't tell me how to get > my password into the file and I can't find information elsewhere on how > to do it. What do I need to do? I don't see why it would matter, but I > am running Windows NT. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 18:47:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05878; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:47:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29027; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:41:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from banana.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29021; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:41:05 -0700 Received: by banana.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA27269; Sat, 10 Sep 94 20:38:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:38:17 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@banana To: Andrew Daviel Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: <34r8dq$jqu@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mr. Daviel, Does this mean that the read-messages folder option doesn't work in 3.90? I've configured our /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to auto place all users messages in read-messages, but they can override that by defining read-messages as "". A lot of our users find the read-messages option to be very useful. I'd hate to have to remove it. We're using 3.89 until this issue's hopefully resolved by 3.91. If I did a pine -conf > pine.conf (with pine 3.90) and re-entered: read-messages=read-messages, would it work? Hussain (head consultant, A&S NeXT Lab) ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ NEXTSTEP, hussain@artsci.wustl.edu baby http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~hussain/ On 10 Sep 1994, Andrew Daviel wrote: > GH Chinoy (hussain@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote: > : Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > : Exiting pine. > : IOT trap. > > : Any clues? > > I saw this when I had defined a read-message-folder. Undefine it > and it goes away. I filed a bug report and they know about it - fixed > in 3.91 > > -- >

> Andrew Daviel > , TRIUMF > , Vancouver, Canada >

"http://andrew.triumf.ca/~andrew/sig2t.gif"> >
advax@triumf.ca > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 18:57:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06028; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:57:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29148; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:51:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29142; Sat, 10 Sep 94 18:51:36 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa23134; 10 Sep 94 21:51 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA23090; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 21:51:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 21:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Burt Heymanson Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 (AIX?) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After I reported that I saw the same Append instead of Overwrite behaviour on the aix-a32-bin from washington as I got on my locally compiled version, Burt Heymanson sent me a version he compiled. I did not get the same behaviour on his version. However, when I went *back* to the other versions and did the same exact thing, they also did an overwrite when asked. I had tested it more than once before I sent my "me too" reply about observing the behaviour, so I guessed that it may have been something different about the exact sequence of operations: for example, whether I was in the INDEX or message VIEW mode. However, after trying several different combinations, I was unable to repeat the same mis-behaviour. Does anyone else still observer this bug ? ( And, did I hear somebody say "Phase of the Moon?" ) - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 19:41:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06754; Sat, 10 Sep 94 19:41:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29652; Sat, 10 Sep 94 19:35:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29646; Sat, 10 Sep 94 19:35:25 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa25532; 10 Sep 94 22:35 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA28297; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 22:35:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 22:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: why is charset=US-ASCII sent BASE64 encoding ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII | Message-Id: | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2138107840-1953210302-779042044=:21037" | Status: RO | X-Status: | | This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, | while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. | Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. | | ---2138107840-1953210302-779042044=:21037 | Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII | [ the normal text part of the message in readable US-ASCII, 7bit encoding | | | ---2138107840-1953210302-779042044=:21037 | Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=Architecture | Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 | Content-ID: | Content-Description: AIX Architecture config file for refdbms | | ZGl2ZXJ0KC0xKQ0KIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMj | IyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIw0KIyBG | aWxlOiBhLmJhc2UgLS0gYmFzZSBBcmNoaXRlY3R1cmUgdGVtcGxhdGUNCiMN [ the enclosure file in charset=US-ASCII; BASE64 encoding ] The enclosed file has no non-ascii chars. ( None visable to the eye, and I double checked and tested it for chars < ' ' and |= '\n' or > '\176' ) And my Setup shows charset set to US-ASCII. Why is it getting encoded ? And, if it's getting encoded at all, why not QUOTED-PRINTABLE, which would at least be readable to the MIME impaired ? [ Pine3.90 on IBM RS6000/ AIX 3.2.4 ] - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 22:20:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09558; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:20:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01660; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:16:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01654; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:16:11 -0700 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:16:10 CDT Received: by quads.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA21058; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:15:27 CDT Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 00:15:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Joseph Brown To: Pine Information System Subject: Using Pico to Edit News Posts Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm going to serve as a moderator for a newsgroup, and I was wondering if I could use Pico to edit and post news articles. And, if so, how? I have been trying to use Pico by itself, i.e., without using it through Pine3.90, and I have been having problems. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do this, or info. that I could read on it? "Fides Quaerens Intellectum" Michael Joseph Brown (mjb8@midway.uchicago.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 10 22:29:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09805; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:29:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23117; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:20:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23104; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:20:30 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20129; Sat, 10 Sep 94 22:20:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 22:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: why is charset=US-ASCII sent BASE64 encoding ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > Why is it getting encoded ? > And, if it's getting encoded at all, why not QUOTED-PRINTABLE, > which would at least be readable to the MIME impaired ? Pine Base64-encodes all attachments, including text, in order to assure that they are not modified in transit. The goal is make sure file attachment in Pine is as dependable as FTP (and B64 is safer than QP). A good example of why this is handy is when we recently asked some folks to attach their addressbooks to help us track down problems in 3.90, we didn't have to worry about whether a gateway had modified a tab or trailing blanks, etc, etc. For the (hopefully temporarily) MIME impaired, the idea is that you should *include* the text via ^R rather than attaching it. In a future release we may investigate the feasibility of providing a sub-command under ^R to trigger an in-line MIME inclusion using QP. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 01:00:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12774; Sun, 11 Sep 94 01:00:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03632; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:48:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03620; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:48:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjjMp-00000fC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nelson CHIN Subject: how to bounce mail to newsgroup?;how to change content-type:? Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 02:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII how do i bounce a mail message to a newsgroup? i have no problem posting a mail message.. also how do i get it to have Content-Type: in the header section, i've tried setup/configure and added in the field, but when i do ^R in the header section, that field doesn't show up. Nelson +lnM Nelson Chin 102 Brook Street Quincy MA 02170 1508 024 USA +kDg CIIP: nchin+AEA-hnt.com CICC: cyl+AEA-ifcss.org PH:+-1 617 472 2851 +n40 PRODIGY: GWBV10E+AEA-prodigy.com BU: butta1+AEA-bu.edu UTF-7 code From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 01:17:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13332; Sun, 11 Sep 94 01:17:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25374; Sun, 11 Sep 94 01:09:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25362; Sun, 11 Sep 94 01:08:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjjht-00001DC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) Subject: [pine3.89] how get mail from SMTP "post office" Date: 11 Sep 1994 00:43:35 -0700 Message-Id: <34ucf7$bjl@crl.crl.com> I an account with a PPP vendor on which I am known as `pp000547@interramp.com'. From my PC (running pine3.89 on linux) I am able to send mail to `pp000547@interramp.com' and by using the Windows software that came with my subscription to interramp,com I am able verify that the mail I am sending from my PC is arriving at "the post office" on interramp.com by retrieving it. However, I am not able to retrieve mail that is sitting in my `pp000547@interramp.com' mailbox using `pine' on the Linux side of my PC. 1) I created a user named `pp000547'. 2) The only changes I made to the pine.conf built into `pine' are the following: user-domain=interramp.com smtp-server=smtp.interramp.com Now if I login as `pp000547' and _send_ mail (say, to crl.com) that mail arrives as coming `From: pp000547@interramp.com' -- which is what I was counting on to make it possible for me to retrieve it (running Linux). Is it impossible for me to do what I am trying to do and, if not, what else do I have to do to be able to do it? Thanks! Bill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 03:19:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15801; Sun, 11 Sep 94 03:19:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05370; Sun, 11 Sep 94 03:13:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05364; Sun, 11 Sep 94 03:13:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjlbU-00000fC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 02:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pcsaal15@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Lutz Lademann) Subject: Re: Annoying Message in Pine 3.90 Message-Id: <0WFSBXVW@math.fu-berlin.de> References: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 09:44:40 GMT Charles Albertson (chucko@eskimo.com) wrote: : Every time I launch Pine 3.90, I get a message inviting me to continue : composing a message that was interrupted -- probably left over when my : server cut me off in the middle of a message. When I hit "yes" (just to : call the bugger up and get rid of it), it informs me that the folder is : empty and there is really no message to continue composing. And I still : get the "continue composing" message every time I go into Pine. How can : I rid myself of this pest? Just delete the folder "interrupted-mail", which is created by Pine when the composition of a mail got interrupted. Lutz -- ********** Lutz Lademann ********** ******** E-Mail: pcsaal15@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de ******* **** Free University of Berlin / Dep. Political Science *** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 08:51:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22165; Sun, 11 Sep 94 08:51:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00863; Sun, 11 Sep 94 08:45:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00857; Sun, 11 Sep 94 08:45:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjql6-00000hC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 08:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steven King [Really!]) Subject: Re: Pine Secrets document?? Message-Id: <1994Sep11.143304.17237@pshrink.chi.il.us> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 14:33:04 GMT References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) publicly declared: >However: make sure that you don't need to have "user-domain" set in your >pinerc in order for your "From: " address to be correct. Normally this >will be set in the global pine.conf, so *most* folks will be OK, but we >are seeing that a number of attempts to send the document have failed >because of bogus return addresses. One of my users (the one with the strongest anti-technology aura) requested the doc a week or so ago and received an error message from the server saying "disk full". I deleted her .pinerc so she can re-request it when she logs back in next time. Ever notice how there are some users who, through no fault of their own, will be hit by *every* little bug and glitch there is? Really, I'm almost ready to believe that there are some people in this world for whom technology just doesn't work! -- ------------------------------------------ There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar making up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 10:09:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23482; Sun, 11 Sep 94 10:09:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10465; Sun, 11 Sep 94 10:03:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10459; Sun, 11 Sep 94 10:03:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjs2f-00000iC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 09:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: steve@adam.com.au (Stephen White) Subject: Re: Sorry ... REPOST with details. Date: 12 Sep 1994 02:08:20 +0930 Message-Id: <34vbps$bjt@eve.adam.com.au> References: highway@wam.umd.edu wrote: : I compiled two different versions of PINE ... one for Sparcstations : 1(+) running SunOS4.13 and the other is for 486 running Linux 0.99pl13. : Now, the ^O function works fine on the SunOS ... but it doesn't work on the : Linux. Is it possible that the feature was forgotten on the lnx-os.h files? : Basically, I'm able to toggle the ^O function on the SunOS but when I hit : the same keys on for the pine on LINUX .. nothing. I did the Linux 3.90 port. "^O" works fine on my machine. It's nothing to do with the .h files. -- steve@adam.com.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 12:08:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25676; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:08:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03163; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:03:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03157; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:03:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjtsT-00000hC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 11:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: walts@dorsai.org (Walter_Schmidt) Subject: Reply To in Pine Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 18:07:11 GMT ...this has been asked locally. I was told that in Pine no option exists to set a header Reply To:, as is used in mailing groups. It was suggested that Elm has such a setting. It was also suggested that one could "type in Reply to: and that which should follow" and that would work. I have RTFM and didn't find the answer. And, I have not yet experimented. Thanks in advance for any info on this... -- REgards, WaltS@dorsai.dorsai.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 12:44:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26359; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:44:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12369; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12363; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjuSZ-00000kC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <9409091506.AA16076@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9409091506.AA16076@LL.MIT.EDU> On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Dennis Gehris wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Dennis Gehris > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Return Receipt in Pine 3.90? > > > > Is there a return receipt feature in Pine 3.90? > > > > By this I mean can you indicate when you compose a message that you want > > to be notified by email that the receiver has read the message? > > I thought this was going to be a feature also. > Oh well, you can always add your own receipt header line to the header > (using the customize header option): > The header customization options _is_ the way the feature was implemented! Since there is no standardized way to request such receipts, all we can do is allow you to put together whatever is appropriate for your particular need... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 12:44:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26390; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:44:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03583; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03577; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjuSf-00000pC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: (slight) bug Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34qsoa$eqt@news.ycc.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34qsoa$eqt@news.ycc.yale.edu> This is a known limitation that will be addressed after IMAP4 support is added (Pine 4.0?) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 9 Sep 1994, Lenny Turetsky wrote: > If you start to reply to a letter, postpone the reply, and finish it > later, the letter to which you replied is not marked as answered. > > LT > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > /| | > | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | > | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | > | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | > | | | > | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | > | |_____________________________________________________________________| > |/_____________________________________________________________________/ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 12:45:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26416; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:45:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12361; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12355; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:38:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjuSc-00000nC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 12:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Posting from Pine 3.90 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 12:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: You are correct that Pine can only post via NNTP. Adding local posting is on out to-do list.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Ran Ever-Hadani wrote: > I tried to use Pine 3.90 to post new on my Netcom account. I failed. > I posted a query on a local netcom newsgroup and got the following > reply: > > In perdue@netcom.com (Gary Perdue) writes: > > >Netcom does not allow shell acount users to access their NNTP server. Until > >this policy is changed you will have to use another NNTP server or a different > >newsreader. If I can ever get a few minutes I will try to patch pine to work > >with netcom. > > Does this mean that pine is only set up to post via NNTP, and it will > not allow to post directly on one's local machine? Somehow, I find this > hard to believe. > > -- Ran > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 14:07:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28032; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:07:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04516; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:00:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04510; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:00:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjvi0-00000iC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 13:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: using mbox driver - any other steps needed? Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 13:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The zero-length mbox not being recognized bug is fixed in Pine 3.91. I believe that I sent you a patch for this for Pine 3.90. -- Mark -- On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Paul Holbrook wrote: > > A recent message noted that you can now build 3.90 with the mbox driver > by adding mboxdriver as a parameter to the BUILD line. > > I tried doing that, and I have a zero length mbox file in my home > directory, but pine isn't moving the mail from /var/spool/mail into that > file. Is there anything else I have to do? > > J. Paul Holbrook > CICNet Network Services Manager > holbrook@cic.net (313) 998-7680 > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 14:11:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28136; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:11:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13414; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:03:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13408; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:03:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjvkH-00000qC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 13:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Subject: PC pine 3.90 and DOS 6.3 send mail problem Date: 11 Sep 1994 20:31:58 GMT Message-Id: <34vpfu$3pb@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> We have PC-Pine 3.90 running on PC's with many different configurations. It works fine except for PC with DOS 6.3, there PC-Pine 3.90 (both dos and win. versions) won't send mails. When ^X is pressed we get the error: "Mail not sent. Transfer protocol error: 250... Recipient OK" We are using FTP Software's PC/TCP 2.2. Pine 3.89 works OK. What can the reason be for that error. Has anyone else experienced the same ? Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 14:36:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28571; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:36:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04913; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:29:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04907; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:29:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qjwBb-00000iC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 14:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: delete in news Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 14:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Terry will remember that he and I have disagreed quite often about the use of delete in news. Here is an argument in favor of Terry's position. Suppose there was a format of mail in which messages were stored in discrete files per message, and in which each recipient obtained a UNIX-style hard link to the file. [This format has, in fact, been implemented in several environments.] The user has a personal state file to keep track of answered, seen, flagged, etc. status. The delete operation, when confirmed by an expunge, removes the hard link. I think that one would have a very difficult argument in trying to claim that delete is not the proper operation for this environment. This is clearly a full ``mail'' type environment in the traditional sense. Yet the bits are not physically removed from the disk until the very last link sharer does his own delete/expunge. The killer comes in when you realize that this is almost identical to the netnews spool, with two minor differences: 1) it is routine that the system manager periodically purges netnews without user action; whereas this is only sometimes done for mail. 2) long-term seen/answered/flagged status is not maintained I consider the provision of a feature to make deleted (but still extant) message invisible to be a feature of the user interface, and not an aspect of the model. Consider, too, that there is a separate operation that means ``permanent removal of deleted messages'' and that that operation is not offered for news folders. Perhaps Pine should make this operation more distinct from the operation to make deleted messages invisible, but that is a separate discussion. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 15:41:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29599; Sun, 11 Sep 94 15:41:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14568; Sun, 11 Sep 94 15:33:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14562; Sun, 11 Sep 94 15:33:44 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Mon, 12 Sep 94 06:31:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 06:31:08 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Walter_Schmidt Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply To in Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Sep 1994, Walter_Schmidt wrote: > ...this has been asked locally. > > I was told that in Pine no option exists to set a header Reply To:, as is > used in mailing groups. It was suggested that Elm has such a setting. elm doesn't have a "setting" for that. You need to create a elmheaders file. > It was also suggested that one could "type in Reply to: and that which > should follow" and that would work. pine has a customized-hdrs "setting" where you can add this info... and even help on the subject. > I have RTFM and didn't find the answer. And, I have not yet experimented. actually....you should get experimental....even with the great FM you will pick up more. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 19:45:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04005; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:45:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17636; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:39:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17630; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:39:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qk12U-00000nC; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Using Pico to Edit News Posts Date: 12 Sep 1994 01:35:23 GMT Message-Id: <350b8r$bkl@news.halcyon.com> References: mjb8@midway.uchicago.edu (Michael Joseph Brown) writes: >I'm going to serve as a moderator for a newsgroup, and I was wondering if >I could use Pico to edit and post news articles. And, if so, how? I >have been trying to use Pico by itself, i.e., without using it through >Pine3.90, and I have been having problems. Do you have any suggestions >for how I could do this, or info. that I could read on it? You can certainly use Pico to edit an article but to post it you need a newsreader like Pine 3.90, trn, nn, or tin, or a newsposter like Pnews or nnpost. Most newsreaders/newsposters use either the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable to determine what editor to use. You can set these in your .login (if you use .csrhc or .tcshrc) like this: setenv EDITOR "pico -t -z" setenv VISUAL "$EDITOR" The -t flag means to use Pico in tool mode and -z allows you to use ^z. I also like to use -w which means don't auto wrap. Hope this helps, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 11 20:03:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04357; Sun, 11 Sep 94 20:03:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08807; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:57:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from post1.INRE.ASU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08801; Sun, 11 Sep 94 19:57:30 -0700 Received: from general1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V4.2-13 #2382) id <01HGZY2WMNGG8X66C1@asu.edu>; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:01:09 MST Received: from general1 (localhost) by general1.asu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29051; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 19:57:20 +0700 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 19:57:20 -0700 (MST) From: Shah@ASU.Edu Subject: Dysfunctional function keys To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 956 It is stated in Pine Technical Notes Version 3.85 that Pine expects the following sequences from terminals defined as VT100: ANSI/VT100 F1: OP F2: OQ F3: OR F4: OS F5: Op F6: Oq F7: Or F8: Os F9: Ot F10: Ou F11: Ov What's the story on F12? I thought Technical Notes Version 3.90 would have the scoop on F12, but no. Also, in Pine 3.89, Oq in the Message Text area (while composing mail) results in ^W (Whereis), instead of invoking the Alternate Editor. Some folks using serial communications software (e.g., Kermit) can't press ^K, since Kermit captures this. Others can't press ^_. So I thought they could run Pine in function key mode. Any comments? Thanks! -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 02:25:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11746; Mon, 12 Sep 94 02:25:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13604; Mon, 12 Sep 94 02:19:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13598; Mon, 12 Sep 94 02:19:14 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi (tellus.csc.fi [128.214.46.33]) by pobox.csc.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9+CSC-2.0) with SMTP id MAA01050; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:19:11 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09825; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:19:09 +0300 Message-Id: <9409120919.AA09825@tellus.csc.fi> To: hph@oslonett.no (Hans Petter Holen) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: "deleting" usenet articles In-Reply-To: Your message of "10 Sep 1994 09:14:04 GMT." <34rtcs$efo@hasle.oslonett.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5delta 8/30/94 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:19:08 +0300 From: Pekka Kytolaakso Your message dated: 10 Sep 1994 09:14:04 GMT > >There is no question in my mind that "seen" status and disposition should > >be kept distinct, and that recording a user's *explicit* statement about > >the disposition of a message is more important than recording a state > >change triggered implicitly by viewing. > > This seems reasonable as a default to me. > But I would like to be able to tailor my Mail/news reader to > do automatic-delete-when-seen. This should be on a pr. folder > basis, as I would like to do this on some of my mail-folders > and most of the newsgroups I read. > Hans Petter Holen I think that the default action when leaving a newsgrouop should be to prompt 'Mark everything as read? (y/n) [y]' and if yes, then marking everything deleted. Also if you try to enter a newsgroup that has no unread messages pine could prompt for 'Show read messages? (y/n/#) [n]' and if yes, display all (or given number of latest) messages. Pekka Kyt|laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET Finnish University and Reseach Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 07:16:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17896; Mon, 12 Sep 94 07:16:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17267; Mon, 12 Sep 94 06:55:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17255; Mon, 12 Sep 94 06:55:04 -0700 Received: from compserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA11769; Mon, 12 Sep 94 15:54:50 +0200 Received: from localhost by compserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (8.6.4/11.0) id PAA12227; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:54:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:54:47 +0200 From: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Spohn) Message-Id: <199409121354.PAA12227@compserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: build cvx Hello all I compiled pine3.90 on ConvexOS compserv C3860 11.0 convex. Here's the output from the log file. Could some kind soul tell me if these warnings are of a serious nature or if I can live with these? Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ make args are "CC=cc" Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=non-ANSI OS=cvx echo cvx > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s non-ANSI systype cd non-ANSI/c-client; make cvx make mtest OS=cvx EXTRADRIVERS="" STDPROTO=bezerkproto CFLAGS="-O -ext -Dconst= " ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo cvx > OSTYPE echo -O -ext -Dconst= > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_cvx.h osdep.h cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mail.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c bezerk.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mtx.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c tenex2.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mbox.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mh.c cc: Warning on line 329 of mh.c: function mh_create has return(e); and return; cc: Warning on line 855 of mh.c: function mh_ping has return(e); and return; cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mmdf.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c imap2.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c pop3.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c news.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c nntpcunx.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c phile.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c dummy.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c smtp.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c nntp.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c rfc822.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c misc.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/ucb/rsh\" -c os_cvx.c cc: Warning on line 44 of ./fs_unix.c: illegal pointer/integer combination. cc: Warning on line 59 of ./fs_unix.c: illegal pointer/integer combination. mv os_cvx.o osdep.o cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c sm_unix.c rm -f c-client.a ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o mtx.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o mmdf.o imap2.o pop3.o news.o nntpcunx.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o ranlib c-client.a cc -O -ext -Dconst= -c mtest.c cc -O -ext -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a cd non-ANSI/ms;make If CCMD library is not available, ms will not be made. This is alright since ms is only a demonstration program. ../../../ccmd directory not found, so make.ms is ignored cd non-ANSI/ipopd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop2d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop2d ipop2d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop3d.c cc: Warning on line 341 of ipop3d.c: function blat has return(e); and return; cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop3d ipop3d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cd non-ANSI/imapd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb attach.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb ansi.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb basic.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb bind.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb browse.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb buffer.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb composer.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb display.c cc: Warning on line 1671 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1671 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1714 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1714 of display.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb file.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb fileio.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb line.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb osdep.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb pico.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb random.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb region.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb search.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb spell.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb tcap.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb window.c cc -c -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb word.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tcap.o window.o word.o ar: creating libpico.a ranlib libpico.a cc -Dcvx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -cxdb main.c libpico.a -ltermcap -lc -o pico Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-cvx.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c addrbook.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c adrbklib.c cc: Warning on line 3814 of adrbklib.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 3871 of adrbklib.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c args.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c context.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c filter.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c folder.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c helptext.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c imap.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c init.c cc: Warning on line 3213 of init.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailcap.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailindx.c cc: Warning on line 133 of mailindx.c: a bit field must have type int or unsigned int cc: Warning on line 134 of mailindx.c: a bit field must have type int or unsigned int cc: Warning on line 1611 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1662 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1690 of mailindx.c: actual and formal point to different types cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailpart.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c mailview.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c newmail.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c other.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c pine.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c print.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c reply.c cc: Warning on line 1481 of reply.c: label 'bomb' defined but not referenced. cc: Warning on line 1487 of reply.c: code unreachable. cc: Warning on line 1489 of reply.c: code unreachable. cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c screen.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c send.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c signals.c cc: Warning on line 404 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 405 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 407 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 408 of signals.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c status.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c strings.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c ttyin.c cc: Warning on line 1668 of ttyin.c: expression statement has no effect cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-cvx.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-cvx.ic > os-cvx.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-cvx.c os.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -c os.c cc: Warning on line 1119 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1120 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1121 of os.c: operands of = point to incompatible types. cc: Warning on line 1167 of os.c: actual and formal point to different types cc: Warning on line 1308 of os.c: label 'done' defined but not referenced. echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c cc -c -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -o date.o date.c cc -DCVX -DSYSTYPE=\"CVX\" -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o print.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.o ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib Links to executables are in bin directory: text data bss tdata tbss common dec hex 1654784 61440 65536 16384 8192 0 1806336 1b9000 bin/pine 577536 20480 24576 12288 8192 0 643072 9d000 bin/mtest 602112 20480 32768 16384 8192 0 679936 a6000 bin/imapd 335872 16384 12288 8192 8192 0 380928 5d000 bin/pico Done From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 07:37:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18612; Mon, 12 Sep 94 07:37:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17778; Mon, 12 Sep 94 07:28:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17772; Mon, 12 Sep 94 07:28:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkC1z-00000kC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 07:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kaminski@svpal.org (Dan Kaminski) Subject: Re: possible .newsrc problems on SUN-OS Date: 6 Sep 1994 05:19:46 -0700 Message-Id: <34hmp2$eq5@svpal.svpal.org> References: >We have received at least three bug reports claiming that entries in > .newsrc >are being massively deleted by Pine on SUN-OS. >Has anyone else encountered this problem? We are having this problem at svpal.org, Silicon Valley Public Access Link. We're using v3.88 with the Sun OS. However, it appears to be happening because of underlying disk space problems. I'm no techie, but we have insufficient disk space, and when the disk problem becomes acute, the system can't write, and .newsrc winds up with a zero length. > When you notice the >problem, is there a good copy in .oldnewsrc? Yes, .oldnewsrc is still okay. But users don't have shell access, so we are rebuilding .newsrc the hard way. Some of the more experienced users have figured out how to back up .newsrc by downloading it. I don't think you could call what's happening on our system a bug, though. The program is not being allowed to do it's thing because of the disk problem. -- Dan Kaminski kaminski@svpal.org Milpitas, CA kaminskd@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 08:32:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20483; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:32:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27511; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:25:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27505; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:25:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkCz7-00000nC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: billy@utdallas.edu (Billy Barron) Subject: Can't Forward in 3.90 Date: 12 Sep 1994 14:42:11 GMT Message-Id: <351pc3$d7r@news.utdallas.edu> When a certain user of mine tries to forward or reply with the full text of a message, the message area is blank instead of containing the previous message. This is under Sun 4.1.3 and the user hasn't nothing set in their .pinerc. They are using the system default settings which as far as I know have not caused anyone a problem. Also, this user does not have this problem under 3.89, Any ideas? -- Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas billy@utdallas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 08:41:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20844; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:41:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19144; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:35:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19136; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:35:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkD7F-000015C; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hfalken@x4u2.desy.de (Harald Falkenberg) Subject: instead highlighting? Date: 12 Sep 1994 14:32:30 GMT Message-Id: I look for a way to unset the highlighting mode in the index and want to use instead an arrow (like in elm; or another prefix sign) or cursor binding to see what mail is actually touched. I'm working on a SGI under IRIX. For VAX/VMS systems a saw a pine version which uses arrows. So i think it should be possible for unix system, too. The cause is, that I have to support a Braille Ouput Device, which can't work with screen attributes. So it is in this case not possible to differ between the mails in the index. If someone can help me, I would be very glad. Please sende mail to: hfalken@x4u.desy.de Thank You in advance Harald If From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 09:17:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23034; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:17:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28610; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:05:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28604; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:05:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkDdN-00000kC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 08:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) Subject: Pine & SCO Unix Date: 12 Sep 1994 15:08:50 GMT Message-Id: <351qu2$75r@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> I read in the pine-ports document that somebody has started a port of Pine for SCO. Does anybody know how far they have got? How difficult do you think it would be to make Pine work with SCO? Richard ------------------------------------------ Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.) Fisons Instruments Surface Systems Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074 EMail: rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only) Compuserve: 100065,132 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 09:38:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24352; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:38:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29070; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:24:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29064; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:24:20 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24677; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:24:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Billy Barron Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't Forward in 3.90 In-Reply-To: <351pc3$d7r@news.utdallas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Billy, For this user, does it happen for all messages, or just some? If "just some", please attach a sample in a Bug Report; if "all", we'll probably need to work with you to figure out some way to trace what's going on with his/her particular session. -teg On 12 Sep 1994, Billy Barron wrote: > When a certain user of mine tries to forward or reply with the full > text of a message, the message area is blank instead of containing > the previous message. This is under Sun 4.1.3 and the user hasn't > nothing set in their .pinerc. They are using the system default settings > which as far as I know have not caused anyone a problem. Also, this > user does not have this problem under 3.89, Any ideas? > > > -- > Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas > billy@utdallas.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 09:56:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25511; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:56:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29519; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:42:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29513; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:42:48 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa02864; 12 Sep 94 12:42 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA28564; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:42:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Terry Gray , David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: MIME support (was: why is charset=US-ASCII sent BASE64 encoding ?) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Pine uses BASE64 encoding for *ALL* attachments. We feel that it is very > important that an attachment get through completely unaltered. Unfortunately > that is not possible to assure, even for very generic text, without BASE64 > encoding. We have chosen to take the heat from the MIME-impared rather than > from the MIME-enabled user with a corrupted textfile. On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Pine Base64-encodes all attachments, including text, in order to assure > that they are not modified in transit. The goal is make sure file > attachment in Pine is as dependable as FTP (and B64 is safer than QP). > A good example of why this is handy is when we recently asked some folks to > attach their addressbooks to help us track down problems in 3.90, we > didn't have to worry about whether a gateway had modified a tab or > trailing blanks, etc, etc. > > For the (hopefully temporarily) MIME impaired, the idea is that you should > *include* the text via ^R rather than attaching it. In a future release > we may investigate the feasibility of providing a sub-command under ^R to > trigger an in-line MIME inclusion using QP. Ok. I can accept that as a reasonable rationale for that behavior. ( And now that you've answered it, I recall some previous discussion of this on the list, but I wasn't paying attention at the time. Sorry! ) But this just gets back to the request for better MIME support: pine is a pretty good MIME reader, but it's not a very good MIME *composer* (IMHO). [ The following comments should all be read with an implicit "as far as I can tell" or "Is this true?" - It is quite possible that I've just missed "the trick" required. ] There is no control over Content-Type or Content-Encoding of inclusions. There is no control over the order of inclusions. They are ordered "LIFO" by default, which is (I think) the wrong default - the reverse order from how the message is composed. It would be nice to be able to compose text/plain or message/rfc822 parts in between other inclusions, ( or as a nested multipart/parallel ) for example, to mix paragraphs of text explanation with images or other data. And worst of all, there is no way to "manually" compose a mime-message. Pine doesn't tell you what it's going to use as boundary, so you can't just manually insert a mime header. ( Note: I haven't actually tried setting the Content-Type: header manually with the new configure options, but since this is a global changes, it wouldn't be a very good solution even if it works. ) In short: Most MIME messages I would like to send, are impossible to *compose* in Pine, and the others, I cannot control their encoding and order. ( So we're getting MIME enabled, but actually being discouraged from *using* MIME. ) Also - concerning MIME reading/viewing: I note again (in my previous message) that pine labels an included message as both part "3.0 Message" and "3.1 Text". Is there a reason for this "feature" ? It would be nice if Content-type: Message was recognized on a Save, and "saved" as a message folder, rather than "Exported" as a file, by the Viewer's Save command. Pipe ('|') seems to only pipe the initial part of a multi-part message, not the whole thing. One can select a part with View and select pipe in the viewer, but there seems to be now way to pipe an entire MIME message. I realize these are user interface problems with no simple solutions. Adding control would probably mean adding more question, some of which would only be confusing for the naive non-MIME initiate. And some of these items might require interaction between the editor and Pine. I wonder, in fact, if it is even *possible* to design a mailer that's usable for the novice and the advanced feature demanding user. ( At least, without taking the emacs-like approach of first writing a "language" for writing MUA's, and then writing a simple (but extensible) interface in that language. This is, I believe, the approach taken by the commercial Z-Mail product. ) However, it's the fact that you guys have done such a good job of integrating "advanced" features into 3.90 that makes me so demanding. Better MIME support is clearly the next challenge. So maybe we need some discussion on what a reasonable user interface ought to do. ( And what would be reasonable to expect in 3.92 or 4.0, and what is really a user interface "research" problem. ) - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 10:10:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26070; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:10:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21417; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:02:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21411; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:02:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkES6-00000iC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 09:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 13:29:52 -0800 Message-Id: References: <34r8dq$jqu@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34r8dq$jqu@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> On 10 Sep 1994, Andrew Daviel wrote: : Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". : Exiting pine. : IOT trap. : Any clues? ; I saw this when I had defined a read-message-folder. Undefine it ; and it goes away. I filed a bug report and they know about it - fixed ; in 3.91 Comming in late to the discussion, so sorry if irrelevant: It works for me on a sgi (IRIX 4.0.5). Actually, I set it as read-message-folder=$ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 10:25:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26574; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:25:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21644; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:13:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21638; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:13:20 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29646; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:13:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (was: why is charset=US-ASCII sent BASE64 encoding ?) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > But this just gets back to the request for better MIME support: > pine is a pretty good MIME reader, but it's not a very good MIME > *composer* (IMHO). Steve, We know we have a ways to go on the MIME composing front. A major next step will be to incorporate support for a mime.types file. As always, thanks for your comments. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 10:41:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27368; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:41:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22017; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:31:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from decu13.Triumf.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22009; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:31:41 -0700 Received: by decu13.triumf.ca (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04655; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:29:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:27:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Daviel To: GH Chinoy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Bug in Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, GH Chinoy wrote: > If I did a pine -conf > pine.conf (with pine 3.90) and > re-entered: read-messages=read-messages, would it work? > I'm fairly new to pine, actually. I have not looked at this exhaustively, so I couldn't say. I append a message from the pine developers; perhaps you could contact them directly if you need a fix urgently, and they could tell you where to change the code. (I had thought it was to do with auto-move-read-messages, but I think it is really read-messages-folder that causes the problem). >From dlm@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David L Miller To: Andrew Daviel Cc: Pine Developers Subject: Re: Bug Report: auto-read-messages Andrew, We were finally able to reproduce and fix this bug today. It will be fixed in Pine 3.91. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Andrew Daviel wrote: > If I turn on auto-move-read-msgs in config, I get an IOT on exit > and pine doesn't do the cleanup (purging deleted messages, etc.) > >

Andrew Daviel , TRIUMF , Vancouver, Canada


advax@triumf.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 10:41:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27391; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:41:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00651; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:31:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00645; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:31:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkEuE-000012C; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Compatibility with other newsreaders Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 08:59:39 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: After discussions in the News and MIME communities on this topic, the concensus seems to be that sending unencoded 8bit data in News is no more advisable than it is in Mail. The News community is lagging somewhat in adoption of MIME, but I suspect it will soon catch up as the benefits become apparent.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 5 Sep 1994, Marko Hotti wrote: > > There have been lots of discussion about whether Pine should use > header instead of QUOTED-PRINTABLE > if chosen so. My opinion is that there *definitely _should_ be* a > way to do this because now some newsreaders can't handle postings > made by Pine v3.90. > > Here's an example: In the Nordic countries we quite commonly use > 8-bit ISO-8859-1 character set and one of the most popular newsreaders > is Tin v1.2 PL12. When posting Finnish/Swedish/German/French 8-bit > text with Pine, it is quite impossible to read the messages using Tin > or other more versatile newsreaders. The screen is full with =E4/=F6 > etc. stuff and people are furious. > > So at least Tin and Pine 3.90 are *not* compatible with each other. > I know there are problems with other newsreaders, too. I'm quite sure > that people will not start using Pine for news posting _until_ someone > fixes this problem - a problem which is reality in Finland, Sweden, > Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, France and other countries using > International character sets. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Marko Hotti University of Oulu > Faculty of Medicine > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:07:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29242; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:07:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01441; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:56:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01435; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:56:30 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa18541; 12 Sep 94 13:56 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA25797; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (composing MIME messages) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/message;TEXT/PLAIN; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MESSAGE; BOUNDARY=xxxyyyzzz Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Retraction and Example OK: I have to retract one of my assertions: Adding "Content-Type" to customized-hdrs in config works: If nothing is entered in Rich Header mode, then the normal Pine generated default header is used. If a value is entered ( for example "multipart/message; boundary=next-part" ) then Pine generates duplicate Content-Type headers, but the first is the custom header ( which, I think, (from memory) is the one the standard says should correctly be used. ) and Pine reads the message as intended. So, it is possible to "manually" compose an arbitrary MIME message. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: aside [ The first time I tried this, I mis-entered "multi-part/message" - which got a strange (and possibly incorrect) interpretation! But, I'm not too fussy about how it interprets "illegal" MIME. ] --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: TODO Maybe this is a good item for the FAQ. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: This message is an example of the technique it describes. This message is an example of the technique it describes. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics --xxxyyyzzz-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:16:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29847; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:16:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23061; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:05:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23055; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:05:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkFP5-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: how to bounce mail to newsgroup?;how to change content-type:? Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:11:29 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is not currently a feature to bounce to a newsgroup. The Content-Type: header is automatically generated and not under direct user-control, so it is not shown. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 11 Sep 1994, Nelson CHIN wrote: > how do i bounce a mail message to a newsgroup? i have no problem posting > a mail message.. also how do i get it to have Content-Type: in the > header section, i've tried setup/configure and added in the field, but > when i do ^R in the header section, that field doesn't show up. > > Nelson > > +lnM Nelson Chin 102 Brook Street Quincy MA 02170 1508 024 USA > +kDg CIIP: nchin+AEA-hnt.com CICC: cyl+AEA-ifcss.org PH:+-1 617 472 2851 > +n40 PRODIGY: GWBV10E+AEA-prodigy.com BU: butta1+AEA-bu.edu UTF-7 code > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:35:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01038; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:35:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02250; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:25:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02244; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:25:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkFok-00000iC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: instead highlighting? Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: In Pine 3.90, set the "assume-slow-link" feature in the Setup/Config screen. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Sep 1994, Harald Falkenberg wrote: > I look for a way to unset the highlighting mode in the index and want to > use instead an arrow (like in elm; or another prefix sign) or cursor binding > to see what mail is actually touched. I'm working on a SGI under IRIX. > For VAX/VMS systems a saw a pine version which uses arrows. So i think > it should be possible for unix system, too. > > The cause is, that I have to support a Braille Ouput Device, which can't > work with screen attributes. So it is in this case not possible to differ > between the mails in the index. > > If someone can help me, I would be very glad. > > Please sende mail to: > hfalken@x4u.desy.de > > Thank You in advance > Harald > > > > If > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:39:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01255; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:39:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02347; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:30:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02335; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:30:03 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa25733; 12 Sep 94 14:30 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA18309; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:30:00 -0400 Received: from virginia.edu (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU) by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA22045; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:19:21 -0400 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa23357; 12 Sep 94 14:19 EDT Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01441; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:56:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01435; Mon, 12 Sep 94 10:56:30 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa18541; 12 Sep 94 13:56 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA25797; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (composing MIME messages) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MESSAGE; BOUNDARY=xxxyyyzzz Content-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: "Steven D. Majewski" Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Retraction and Example OK: I have to retract one of my assertions: Adding "Content-Type" to customized-hdrs in config works: If nothing is entered in Rich Header mode, then the normal Pine generated default header is used. If a value is entered ( for example "multipart/message; boundary=next-part" ) then Pine generates duplicate Content-Type headers, but the first is the custom header ( which, I think, (from memory) is the one the standard says should correctly be used. ) and Pine reads the message as intended. So, it is possible to "manually" compose an arbitrary MIME message. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: aside [ The first time I tried this, I mis-entered "multi-part/message" - which got a strange (and possibly incorrect) interpretation! But, I'm not too fussy about how it interprets "illegal" MIME. ] --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: TODO Maybe this is a good item for the FAQ. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: This message is an example of the technique it describes. This message is an example of the technique it describes. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics --xxxyyyzzz- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:55:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01919; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:55:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02768; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:45:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02760; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:45:23 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa29511; 12 Sep 94 14:45 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA16636; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:45:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (Oops) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The previous message illustrates some of the problems: (1) I mis-typed the ending boundary with two trailing "--" instead of one, and it was unreadable until I performed some surgery. (2) My initial test message worked fine, but when I composed this one, I postponed it and tried to edit it again before sending. (2a) Only the first part of the postponed message is editable. (2b) I think (but I'm not sure) that the act of postponing it may have changed the headers, so the it was not interpreted correctly. (3) After discovering (2a), I tried, on another message, to change the Content-Type boundary so that I could re-load the entire message for editing ( planning on changing it back again later ). This failed utterly - causing me to loose everything except the initial part. (4) I was *going* to say that postponing the message, and then going to view it in the postponed-msg folder, was a nice way of checking the MIME consistency and legality before sending a "manually" composed MIME message. But that's what I did on the bad message I sent out, and it looked good in the Viewer. Could Pine have possibly munged up my ending boundary ? [ Maybe I'll get back to this experiment later, but I've got some real work to get on with. But I wanted to post my incomplete results, in case anyone else wants to try. ] - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 11:59:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02096; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:59:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24146; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:50:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24140; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:50:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkGDE-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 11:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Pine 3.90 Exiting Abnormally When Messages Need to be Saved Date: 12 Sep 1994 12:17:25 -0400 Message-Id: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> I've got another little problem with 3.90 on a Sun running SunOS 4.1.3: I have my configuration setup to save all read messages to ~/INBOX on exit. When I exit pine, I get a message something like: ``Bug in pine detected: Abort signal received, exiting'' Has anyone else out there noticed this? thanks, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 12:28:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03496; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:28:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03572; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:20:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03566; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:20:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkGc8-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: $USER not recognized....... Date: 12 Sep 1994 13:57:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199409121856.NAA25684@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> If I specify the inbox path to "/u/$USER/...." pine don't recognize it. A feature which existed in 3.89. Ofcourse I can specify the full-path name but I'm just curious. Also if you start up pine3.90 and then use pine3.89 and then 3.90 it simply refuses to read the ".addressbook". Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar | (H) 458 - 9754 | URL : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~ananda From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 12:30:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03662; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:30:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03625; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:21:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03619; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:21:36 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa07975; 12 Sep 94 15:21 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA28589; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:21:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (Oops...) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [... and I forgot to mention... ] (5) "Content-Type:" header is too many chars and shows up in the Compose header window as "Content-" ( But since I'm not likely to add "Content-Transfer-Encoding:" to the customized-hdrs list, I can live with that. ) - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 12:59:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04880; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:59:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25436; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:49:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25430; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:49:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkH2F-00000uC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Re: Auto subscribe to news groups Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:49:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, David L Miller wrote: > About the only way to do that now is to copy a short .newsrc file to each > user's directory when you create the account... > > On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, michael wrote: > > I would like to have several news groups automaticaly subscribed to by my > > new users. I know that "TIN" (yikes) has this capability via a file > > called subscription that is located in /usr/lib/local/news directory. > > Is this a possibility with PINE 3.90? > > Thank you... I also have the same request as michael@APlatform.com. For various reasons, we have a wrapper (C-shell) script for pine that eventually execs Pine's binary. Rather than follow David's advice to create the .newsrc for each user when the account is created, the script now contains the following code which essentially creates the .newsrc file when it is needed. It references /usr/local/lib/pine.subscriptions which is where I chose to put the names of the default newsgroups. set newsrcfile = ~/.newsrc if ( ! -f $newsrcfile ) then set subscriptionsfile = /usr/local/lib/pine.subscriptions if ( -f $subscriptionsfile ) then set pinercfile = ~/.pinerc grep "^nntp-server *= *nntphost.dur.ac.uk" $pinercfile >& /dev/null set serverstatus = $status grep "^news-collections *=.*nntphost.dur.ac.uk" $pinercfile >& /dev/null set folderstatus = $status if ( $serverstatus == 0 || $folderstatus == 0 ) then cp $subscriptionsfile $newsrcfile endif endif endif Yuk! BTW, I'd be grateful for any holes in the logic (but I don't want any comments along the line of "why is this in the C-shell?"). The other possibility I thought of was to alter the code of Pine at an appropriate point. My view is that it could be done where .newsrc gets created. This is just before the call of close(i) in function nntp_read_sdb in imap/non-ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c, but I ducked doing that way. Like michael@APlatform.com, I'd like to see some this facility in a later issue of Pine. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 13:06:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05849; Mon, 12 Sep 94 13:06:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04396; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:57:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04390; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:57:04 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15589; 12 Sep 94 15:57 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA27709; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:56:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (Oops) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > (4) I was *going* to say that postponing the message, and then going > to view it in the postponed-msg folder, was a nice way of checking > the MIME consistency and legality before sending a "manually" composed > MIME message. But that's what I did on the bad message I sent out, > and it looked good in the Viewer. Could Pine have possibly munged > up my ending boundary ? > To answer my own question: YES. On postponed messages that are resumed, Pine *does* change the Content-Type field and does something to the ending boundary. It also seems to append an extra "-" . Is this perhaps a safety feature to "escape" text that looks like a boundary ? It also seems to get confused by existing multiple Content-Type headers, and automatically constructs a new default like "Content-Type: multipart/mixed; TEXT/PLAIN" or something else equally strange. You can (^O) postpone a message, and GOTO postponed-msgs and VIEW the message, and verify that you have constructed a valid MIME message, but you cannot (easily) edit that message. You have to use BOUNCE or FORWARD to send it out once it has been postponed. If you try to edit it and send it out, Pine will send out an illegal MIME message. ( Invalid Content-Type and no closing boundary. ) You can REEDIT the Content-Type header, inserting a new (unused) boundary, postpone the message again, resume it with Compose, and re-edit the header (put back the old boundary), the munged ending boundary, and possibly the initial section. ( The initial boundary seems to get stripped by this procedure, so your original initial part will become the "invisible" MIME prologue. ) i.e. not impossible, but it can be a bit messy! - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 14:18:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09081; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:18:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06180; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:05:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06174; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:05:42 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07913; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:05:41 -0700 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (composing MIME messages) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MESSAGE; BOUNDARY=xxxyyyzzz Content-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: "Steven D. Majewski" Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: Terry Gray Resent-To: Terry Gray Resent-Message-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: Retraction and Example OK: I have to retract one of my assertions: Adding "Content-Type" to customized-hdrs in config works: If nothing is entered in Rich Header mode, then the normal Pine generated default header is used. If a value is entered ( for example "multipart/message; boundary=next-part" ) then Pine generates duplicate Content-Type headers, but the first is the custom header ( which, I think, (from memory) is the one the standard says should correctly be used. ) and Pine reads the message as intended. So, it is possible to "manually" compose an arbitrary MIME message. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: aside [ The first time I tried this, I mis-entered "multi-part/message" - which got a strange (and possibly incorrect) interpretation! But, I'm not too fussy about how it interprets "illegal" MIME. ] --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: TODO Maybe this is a good item for the FAQ. --xxxyyyzzz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: This message is an example of the technique it describes. This message is an example of the technique it describes. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics --xxxyyyzzz- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 14:26:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09389; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:26:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06490; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:19:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06484; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:19:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkISm-00000nC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 13:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: $USER not recognized....... Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:06:30 -0700 Message-Id: References: <199409121856.NAA25684@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199409121856.NAA25684@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> You need to use "/u/${USER}/...." (the '{}' is necessary when the variable does not end the line). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Sep 1994, Ananda M. Kar wrote: > If I specify the inbox path to "/u/$USER/...." pine don't recognize it. A feature > which existed in 3.89. Ofcourse I can specify the full-path name but I'm just curious. > > Also if you start up pine3.90 and then use pine3.89 and then 3.90 it simply refuses > to read the ".addressbook". > > Ananda > -- > Ananda M. Kar | (H) 458 - 9754 | URL : http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~ananda > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 14:39:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09827; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:39:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27861; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:31:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27849; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:31:15 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA16221; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:30:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: "Ananda M. Kar" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: $USER not recognized....... In-Reply-To: <199409121856.NAA25684@needmore.cs.utexas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Sep 1994, Ananda M. Kar wrote: > If I specify the inbox path to "/u/$USER/...." pine don't recognize it. A feature > which existed in 3.89. Ofcourse I can specify the full-path name but I'm just curious. Try this: "/u/${USER}/..." That's what I had to do for our system (DG/UX 5.4.201). Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 15:01:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10925; Mon, 12 Sep 94 15:01:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07275; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:52:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07267; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:52:10 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26667; Mon, 12 Sep 94 14:52:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Pine Mission Control Subject: Re: MIME support (composing MIME messages) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apologies to everyone who is getting tired of seeing the same message from Steve... The last posting was an unexpected side-effect of me Resending the message to myself, and not realizing that the msg already contained a Resent-To: pine-info... (This is arguably a bug in either sendmail or Pine, but it may be tough to fix, since I don't think RFC822 specifies any significance to header ordering.) -teg ------------- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: MIME support (composing MIME messages) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: "Steven D. Majewski" Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: Terry Gray Resent-To: Terry Gray Parts/attachments: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 16:59:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16799; Mon, 12 Sep 94 16:59:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01344; Mon, 12 Sep 94 16:50:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01338; Mon, 12 Sep 94 16:50:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkKqQ-00000iC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 16:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@dale.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: PINE 3.90 Date: 11 Sep 1994 20:12:25 GMT Message-Id: <34vob9$mkj@mark.ucdavis.edu> Please forgive this VERY newbie question. My sys admin has recently upgraded to SVR4 UNIX and I have done some exploring. I found the /usr/pkg/mail/bin directory where pine is kept. I want to update to PINE 3.90 from 3.89 and I know that 3.90 is available via FTP. If someone can tell which file I need to get and how to decompress or whatever else I have to do, please e-mail me. My server is a Sun 670 MP (sparc) running SVR4 (SunOS 5.3). TIA. -- _______________________________________ hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 18:25:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19851; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:25:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11816; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:16:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11804; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:16:11 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkM9p-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 17:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 Exiting Abnormally When Messages Need to be Saved Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 11:53:47 -0700 Message-Id: References: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> Yup, the read-msg-folder variable triggers a bug in Pine 3.90. This will be fixed in Pine 3.91. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Sep 1994, John Red-Horse wrote: > > I've got another little problem with 3.90 on a Sun running SunOS 4.1.3: I > have my configuration setup to save all read messages to ~/INBOX on > exit. When I exit pine, I get a message something like: > > ``Bug in pine detected: Abort signal received, exiting'' > > Has anyone else out there noticed this? > > thanks, > john > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 18:38:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20140; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:38:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03160; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:31:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03154; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:31:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkMMS-00000iC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dcarriga@nofc.forestry.ca (Dave Carrigan) Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: 12 Sep 1994 16:42:46 -0600 Message-Id: <352lh6$fhl@dragon.nofc.forestry.ca> References: theall1@mail.tju.edu (George Theall) writes: >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered This also happens to me with Pathworks 5's Winsock and vanilla Windows. I was blaming Pathworks' winsock, which has caused some other problems; sounds like it affects some other winsocks out there as well. -- ^ dcarrigan@nofc.forestry.ca /|\ Canadian Forest Service, NW Region Dave Carrigan /|\ Northern Forestry Centre | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 19:15:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21091; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:15:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12487; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:06:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12481; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:05:57 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa12231; 12 Sep 94 22:05 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA20996; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:05:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.mail.mime,comp.mail.headers Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: duplicate header fields (was: MIME support (composing MIME messages)) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [ This is cc-ed to comp.mail.mime and comp.mail.headers - to cut to the chase and ignore the followup part of this thread, the question is: What is the interpretation of duplicate, but different headers ? in this instance, two different Content-Type: field values. ] On Mon, 12 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Apologies to everyone who is getting tired of seeing the same message from > Steve... The last posting was an unexpected side-effect of me Resending > the message to myself, and not realizing that the msg already contained a > Resent-To: pine-info... Also, some folks may have been confused by some references I made to a malformed MIME message I sent out. It seems to have gone out on the mailing list, but it looks like it was dropped from News distribution. > (This is arguably a bug in either sendmail or Pine, but it may be tough to > fix, since I don't think RFC822 specifies any significance to header > ordering.) I was sure I recalled some mention in rfc1521 about how to interpret multiple occurrences of the same header. But searching thru the document, I can't find any such note. Just my overactive imagination ? ( I also failed to find a note on this in 822, but I only skipped thru them both quicky, and tried searching for "duplicate" and a half dozen other likely words. ) Is there a rule to resolve the interpretation of: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Type: MULTIPART/MESSAGE since it is possible to generate duplicate fields with Pine, and I expect with other mail software ( especially automatic gateways, remailers, etc. ). Or is this defined as illegal ? Or is it just undefined ? Except for the cases where it manufactured the malformed Content-Type: header lines, Pine appears to use the first occurence and ignore later ones. I was also seem to have acquired the folk belief that *all* To:'s are significant, but I expect that I'm just overgeneralizing some past experience with sendmail. :-) - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 19:51:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21845; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:51:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04180; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:42:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ETSU.east-tenn-st.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04174; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:42:24 -0700 Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6931; Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:41:28 EDT Received: from ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (NJE origin CMS2@ETSU) by ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9569; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:41:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:37:37 EDT From: Bill Williams Organization: East Tennessee State University Subject: pine 3.90 on AIX 3.2.3 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <940912.224126.EDT.CMS2@ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU> Just FYI those of you who are (like me) running AIX 3.2.3... For whatever miraculous reason, I was able to BUILD pine 3.90 on my AIX 3.2.3 system and it appears to run without problems! For those of you saying, "so...?" pine 3.89 built on the *same* system would explode and leave big core droppings everywhere! (I was limited to the pre-built binaries privided by the pine team, and I *do* feel better when I can build it myself.) Pine Team: whatever you did -- THANKS! --------------------------------------- Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support -- VM Systems AIX/UNIX Systems -- East (615) 929-6853 Tennessee Fax: (615) 929-6852 State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 19:59:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21998; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:59:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13077; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:51:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13071; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:51:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkNcx-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: douglas@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James E. Douglas) Subject: Certified Mail? Message-Id: <1994Sep12.211807.21841@pool.info.sunyit.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 21:18:07 GMT Does pine have Certified mail capabilities? For example, Is there any way to verify whether or not an E-mail message reaches its destination either through pine or sendmail? Please respond via e-mail also. Thanks. Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 20:25:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22482; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:25:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04603; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:16:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04597; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:16:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkO5Y-00000IC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 19:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: DIXONW@arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU (Bill Dixon) Subject: PC PINE 3.9 with > 24 line screen? Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:36:00 MST Message-Id: <1702FB131S85.DIXONW@arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Can PC PINE 3.9 be configured to use more than the usual 24 line screen? Even when I start pine from DOS using a larger (40 line) screen it uses only the first 24 lines. Note that unix pine will use more than 24 lines. Is PC PINE fixed to 24 lines? Thanks. - - - - William J. Dixon Dept. of Political Science Phone: (602) 621-7600 University of Arizona Bitnet: DIXONW@ARIZVM1 Tucson, Arizona 85721 Internet: dixonw@arizvm1.CCIT.Arizona.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 20:44:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23029; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:44:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04899; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:35:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uu3.psi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04892; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:35:39 -0700 Received: from naz.edu by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA11871 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 94 23:16:56 -0400 Received: from hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu by naz.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA05073; Mon, 12 Sep 94 18:03:51 EDT Received: by hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27297; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 18:06:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael A. Naud" To: Pine Discussion Group Subject: A few pico questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a few pico questions I wanted to throw out. I got most of the faculty here to dump emacs in favor of pico. It is just great. But, I have a few questions: Is there a way to move to the top and bottom of a file quickly? Is there a .picorc file? I want to be able to replace tabs with spaces. I can do this for emacs with a .emacs file. Can anyone suggest the same for Pico. BTW, we use pico 2.1, but will be moving to 2.4 very soon. Michael A. Naud Dept. of Academic Computing ---- Michael A. Naud (716) 586-2525 VOICE Nazareth College of Rochester (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 20:48:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23117; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:48:23 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13787; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:40:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13781; Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:40:35 -0700 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA16475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 12 Sep 1994 23:40:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 23:40:25 EDT From: Joe Brennan To: douglas@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James E. Douglas) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Certified Mail? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 12 Sep 1994 21:18:07 GMT Message-Id: > > Does pine have Certified mail capabilities? For example, Is there any way > to verify whether or not an E-mail message reaches its destination either > through pine or sendmail? > > Please respond via e-mail also. > > Thanks. > > Jim The only way to do that is to ask the recipient to let you know they read your message. Your sending system cannot know what the receiving system does with your message, not really. Joseph Brennan Postmaster Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York postmaster@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 21:59:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24526; Mon, 12 Sep 94 21:59:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14741; Mon, 12 Sep 94 21:51:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14735; Mon, 12 Sep 94 21:51:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkPYE-00000iC; Mon, 12 Sep 94 21:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andy.Behrens@coat.com Subject: Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" Date: 12 Sep 1994 21:38:47 GMT Message-Id: <352hp7$f2m@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Could Pine be changed so that it doesn't ask the user Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" address? Or at the very least, could this behavior be made site-configurable? When given this choice, our users have no idea which address they should use. (And rightly so -- it's not their job to be able to recognize valid e-mail addresses at a glance). So they guess, and they have a 50% of guessing wrong. Furthermore, RFC 822 states clearly that the Reply-To field should be used if it exists: 4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO For systems which automatically generate address lists for replies to messages, the following recommendations are made: o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to the address(es) indicated in the "From" field. Andy -- Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. (Anne Herbert) Andy Behrens Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Rd., Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 22:44:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25833; Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:44:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15384; Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:36:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15378; Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:36:35 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09638; Mon, 12 Sep 94 22:36:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Andy.Behrens@coat.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" In-Reply-To: <352hp7$f2m@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Andy, In a perfect world I would completely agree with you. Alas, the email world is far from perfect... The problem that necessitated this property of Pine is LISTSERV. In particular, the fact that the normal default for LISTSERV lists is to set the Reply-To: value to the list address. Without a way to ignore the Reply-To, there is no way to respond just to the originator, and the risk of inadvertently sending an embarrassing reply to a large number of people is very high... even with experienced email users. I speak from experience. -teg On 12 Sep 1994 Andy.Behrens@coat.com wrote: > Could Pine be changed so that it doesn't ask the user > > Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" address? > > Or at the very least, could this behavior be made site-configurable? > When given this choice, our users have no idea which address they > should use. (And rightly so -- it's not their job to be able to > recognize valid e-mail addresses at a glance). So they guess, and they > have a 50% of guessing wrong. > > Furthermore, RFC 822 states clearly that the Reply-To field should be > used if it exists: > > 4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO > > For systems which automatically generate address lists for > replies to messages, the following recommendations are made: > > o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should > go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to > the address(es) indicated in the "From" field. > > Andy > > -- > Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. (Anne Herbert) > > Andy Behrens > Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Rd., Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 12 23:21:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26529; Mon, 12 Sep 94 23:21:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07134; Mon, 12 Sep 94 23:14:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07128; Mon, 12 Sep 94 23:14:51 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi (tellus.csc.fi [128.214.46.33]) by pobox.csc.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9+CSC-2.0) with SMTP id JAA23764; Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:14:34 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12279; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:14:31 +0300 Message-Id: <9409130614.AA12279@tellus.csc.fi> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Spohn) Subject: Re: build cvx In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:54:47 +0200." <199409121354.PAA12227@compserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5delta 8/30/94 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:14:30 +0300 From: Pekka Kytolaakso Your message dated: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 15:54:47 +0200 > Hello all > > I compiled pine3.90 on ConvexOS compserv C3860 11.0 convex. > > Here's the output from the log file. Could some kind soul tell me > if these warnings are of a serious nature or if I can live with these? > > Thanks in advance > ... The error messages are not serious and pine seems to work or. I'm running pine3.90 on ConvexOs 10.2. There is a known bug that is temporarilly fixed by compiling c-client using Convex cc by adding '-string read_write' to CFLAGS. You can do it by changing c-client/Makefile to cvx: # Convex $(MAKE) -j 4 mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ CFLAGS="-O -ext -string read_write -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" The pine-team allready has a patch that fixes the problem without read_write strings and it will be in the next pine version. Pekka Kyt|laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET Finnish University and Reseach Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 02:02:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00240; Tue, 13 Sep 94 02:02:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09129; Tue, 13 Sep 94 01:52:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09123; Tue, 13 Sep 94 01:52:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkTKy-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 01:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pp000547@bedlam.interramp.com Subject: [pc-pine] { ... ... }INBOX Date: 13 Sep 1994 00:37:51 GMT Message-Id: Hello. I am trying to install pcpine_w.tar.Z for use with a PPP hookup. Here is what I have so far: INBOX { ... ??? ... }INBOX User-id pp000547 Personal Name Yours Truly Host/Domain interramp.com SMTP server smpt.interramp.com NNTP server nntp.interramp.com Can anyone tell me what I should put for { ... }INBOX? I have tried various things: {interramp.com}INBOX {smtp.interramp.com}INBOX {pp000547.interramp.com}INBOX but in each case I get an error message to the effect that no such INBOX exists. Thank you. Bill -- -- Bill Hogan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 02:37:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00909; Tue, 13 Sep 94 02:37:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18402; Tue, 13 Sep 94 02:28:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18396; Tue, 13 Sep 94 02:28:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkTsJ-00000iC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 02:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pp000547@bedlam.interramp.com Subject: Re: Pine and no access to my remote mail Date: 13 Sep 1994 01:20:05 GMT Message-Id: References: <34lorc$1eo@ionews.io.org> In-Reply-To: gray@cac.washington.edu's message of Thu, 8 Sep 1994 04:37:06 GMT In article gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: On 7 Sep 1994, Terry Chambers wrote: > In .pinerc, I have my INBOX set for: {mail.io.org}inbox > > When I try to retrieve my mail, I get: > > Connection refused, 143. <> Does this mean that I cannot use Pine if my remote PPP host is not running an imap server? Bill -- -- Bill Hogan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 04:40:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03878; Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:40:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11193; Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:32:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11187; Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:32:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkVnH-00000iC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 04:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: doug@CC.YSU.EDU (Doug Sewell) Subject: Re: Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" Message-Id: <3536id$b23@news.ysu.edu> Date: 13 Sep 94 03:33:33 GMT References: <352hp7$f2m@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Andy.Behrens@coat.com wrote: : Could Pine be changed so that it doesn't ask the user : Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" address? : Or at the very least, could this behavior be made site-configurable? : When given this choice, our users have no idea which address they : should use. (And rightly so -- it's not their job to be able to : recognize valid e-mail addresses at a glance). So they guess, and they : have a 50% of guessing wrong. I'd hope that this would be settable on both site- and user- basis. There are those of us that intentionally choose to override reply-to lines at times, particularly on mailing lists that automatically tack a reply-to: for the list on each post, regardless of content. -- Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu) (http://cc.ysu.edu/1/doug) de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner -- Bill Gunshannon, bill@cs.uofs.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 06:24:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06053; Tue, 13 Sep 94 06:24:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21417; Tue, 13 Sep 94 06:14:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21411; Tue, 13 Sep 94 06:14:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkXOl-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 05:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a.m.abdullah@physics.salford.ac.uk (Abd Malik Abdullah) Subject: Free running mailing list Date: 13 Sep 1994 12:21:04 GMT Message-Id: <3545fg$q5b@io.salford.ac.uk> Hello All. How do I create a mailing list that runs by itself. What I mean is if someone on the list send a message, how do I tell pine to automatically distribute it to the rest on the list. I know how to do it manually, but is it possible to do it automatically? BTW I am using Pine 3.89. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 07:54:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08012; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:54:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22690; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:38:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22684; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:38:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkYi2-00000iC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: A few pico questions Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pico 2.4 includes the sequences for Top ^W^Y and Bottom ^W^V. There is no .picorc file. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 12 Sep 1994, Michael A. Naud wrote: > > I had a few pico questions I wanted to throw out. I got most of the > faculty here to dump emacs in favor of pico. It is just great. But, I > have a few questions: > > Is there a way to move to the top and bottom of a file quickly? > > Is there a .picorc file? I want to be able to replace tabs with spaces. I > can do this for emacs with a .emacs file. Can anyone suggest the same for > Pico. BTW, we use pico 2.1, but will be moving to 2.4 very soon. > > Michael A. Naud > Dept. of Academic Computing > > ---- > Michael A. Naud > (716) 586-2525 VOICE Nazareth College of Rochester > (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue > manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA > > > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 07:58:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08110; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:58:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13576; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:37:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13570; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:37:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkYhr-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine and no access to my remote mail Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 22:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34lorc$1eo@ionews.io.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 13 Sep 1994 pp000547@bedlam.interramp.com wrote: > In article gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: > > > On 7 Sep 1994, Terry Chambers wrote: > > > In .pinerc, I have my INBOX set for: {mail.io.org}inbox > > > > When I try to retrieve my mail, I get: > > > > Connection refused, 143. > > < running an imap server. (IMAP uses port 143.) >> > > Does this mean that I cannot use Pine if my remote PPP host is not > running an imap server? > That is correct. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 07:59:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08179; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:59:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13772; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:51:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13766; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:51:34 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20211; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:51:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 07:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: pp000547@bedlam.interramp.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and no access to my remote mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 13 Sep 1994 pp000547@bedlam.interramp.com wrote: > > Connection refused, 143. > > < running an imap server. (IMAP uses port 143.) >> > > Does this mean that I cannot use Pine if my remote PPP host is not > running an imap server? Bill, Yes, that's true. Ask the Interramp folks if they'd be willing to install "imapd" on their host(s). ("It's just like POP only better." :) We'd be happy to assist them if they have difficulty. Source and binaries for imapd are in the /pine directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 08:16:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09016; Tue, 13 Sep 94 08:16:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13964; Tue, 13 Sep 94 08:03:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13958; Tue, 13 Sep 94 08:03:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkZ85-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 07:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) Subject: Re: pine 3.90 on AIX 3.2.3 Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:10:45 GMT Message-Id: <3548cl$nqe@news.ysu.edu> References: <940912.224126.EDT.CMS2@ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU> Bill Williams (CMS2@ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU) wrote: : Just FYI those of you who are (like me) running AIX 3.2.3... : For whatever miraculous reason, I was able to BUILD pine 3.90 on my AIX : 3.2.3 system and it appears to run without problems! : For those of you saying, "so...?" pine 3.89 built on the *same* system : would explode and leave big core droppings everywhere! (I was limited : to the pre-built binaries privided by the pine team, and I *do* feel : better when I can build it myself.) Pine 3.90 ran for almost all of our users without a glitch, right out of the box. One user (of course the least technically-literate) still had hang-up problems, but she's got a strange PC configuration too. I built a pine binary using -ltermcap rather than -lcurses on AIX 3.2.2, and it ran just as well as the one using -lcurses, and didn't lock up for this user either. Whatever was done in pine, thanks guys! I don't find myself killing off idle pine sessions any more. -- Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu) (http://cc.ysu.edu/1/doug) de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner -- Bill Gunshannon, bill@cs.uofs.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 09:19:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12735; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:19:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15772; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:08:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15766; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:08:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qka8i-00000rC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 08:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) Subject: Re: [pc-pine] { ... ... }INBOX Date: 12 Sep 1994 23:28:39 -0700 Message-Id: <353gqn$i1h@crl.crl.com> References: I took a closer look at the error message I get; it says Can't connect to interramp.com,143: where varies ("Connection refused", "Timed out", "Unknown error"). I am getting the idea that the "143" in the error message has something to do with the `impd' (daemon?). If so, does the error consist on the fact that I am not running `impd' or that smtp.interramp.com is not running `impd' or both? Thank you. Bill : -- : Bill Hogan : : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 09:20:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12758; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:20:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24984; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:08:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24978; Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:08:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qka8I-00000qC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 08:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) Subject: cmsg cancel <34ucf7$bjl@crl.crl.com> Control: cancel <34ucf7$bjl@crl.crl.com> Date: 12 Sep 1994 23:22:19 -0700 Message-Id: <353ger$hlp@crl.crl.com> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 11:22:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18156; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:22:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27722; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:03:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27716; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:03:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkbtr-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 10:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andersor@iia.org (Ross Anderson) Subject: Pine on Interactive 3.2 Date: 13 Sep 1994 13:18:54 GMT Message-Id: <3548ru$165@ankh.iia.org> I have just spent the last two days getting PINE running on an Interactive 3.2 box. To save others from encountering trouble - hopefully :) - I thought I'd drop a few hints. First, the makefiles need to be modified to eliminate the "ln -s" references. Interactive doesn't offer a "-s" option in their base release. Instead, I used striaght "ln" for file links and "link" for directory links. Warning: if you use "link", the statements with "rm -rf" in them tend to destroy the original directories and files - namely the c-client file. There also is a conflict with the declaration of "memmove" in the pine header files. The conflict arises with pine declaring memmove to be a (void *) type, and in , ISC declares memmove also - a fatal compile error. The easiest solution (to me) was simply comment out the memmove declaration in - remember to uncomment when your done. As you run the compile, a lot of warnings pop up about illegal pointer operands, these can safetly be ignored. Last, but not least, make sure you have "sendmail" working on your system. The default ISC UNIX mail does not operate with pine and generally screws things up. Thought you might want to know... Ross Anderson U.S. District Court From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 11:33:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18480; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:33:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18777; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:22:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18771; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:22:05 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa07023; 13 Sep 94 14:22 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA14136; Tue, 13 Sep 1994 14:22:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 14:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: a (non-mime related) user interface suggestion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How about a way to goto the next selected message without having to Zoom in on them first? Either: (1) Change TAB from NextNew to NextSel when a selection is active. (2) Add a Control-something Next Selected to Jump choices (3) or Add it to Whereis choices. ( It's anoying to have to zoom and unzoom to read new mail, while you're trying to read a selected thread. ) - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 11:46:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18884; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:46:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28462; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:34:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28456; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:34:49 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA01742; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:33:00 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA17701; Tue, 13 Sep 94 13:29:59 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04300; Tue, 13 Sep 94 13:29:38 CDT Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 13:29:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Kenny Wickstrom To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: PC-Pine & addressbook and signature file Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am setting up PC-Pine and would like to use some common files so that whether I read my mail via PC-Pine (on any number of PCs) or Pine I get some common defaults. I believe the PINERC(.pinerc) files are pretty identical so they could be copied from the PC to the UNIX box and vice versa. I was able to get the folders to be the same by setting folder-collections = {livingstone}~/mail/[] After this worked, I thought it would be nice to have only one signature file and one address book. So, since the above worked, I set the following: address-book = {livingstone}~/.signature signature-file = {livingstone}~/.addressbook Livingstone is a UNIX box which is running imapd and pine is available. When I tried to access the addressbook, I get the message [ Permission Denied - No Read Access to File ] That inspired the obvious, here is the answer livingstone 146: ls -l .addressbook -rw-rw-r-- 1 kenny 42 Sep 13 13:16 .addressbook Then when I try to compose a letter, my signature did not appear. I didn't recieve any error messages either. Is this suppose to work? If so, could I please get some help. Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 12:31:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20527; Tue, 13 Sep 94 12:31:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19896; Tue, 13 Sep 94 12:18:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19886; Tue, 13 Sep 94 12:18:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkd0D-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 11:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ptm@xact.demon.co.uk (Paul Thomas Mahoney) Subject: Re: Carbon copy when replying Message-Id: <1994Sep12.073244.579@xact.demon.co.uk> References: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 07:32:44 GMT This doesn't quite fit my requirement. E-mail, with it's ability to send a message to many receipients, a number of which may replay, is much like an office memo sent to a team of colleges working on a project. Such a memo would be stored in a project file. Thus, when I communicate with a team of people I save the message (e-mail) in a folder of an appropriate name (eg: Project 1). Any reply/incomming mail is also saved to this folder. The facility I'm looking for is quite simple. I visit one one my folders to view project information and may wish to send mail about the project or reply to some mail received from another team member. I would like this mail to be FCC'd to this folder (which will be my current folder) so as to keep all converstions about the project in the one place. At the moment I have to change to the "sent-mail" folder and save the message back to the poject folder I was in when I sent it. -- --- Paul Mahoney, X-Act Solutions Limited smail: Owlsmead, Meads Road, Little Common, Bexhill-on-Sea, East Sussex TN39 4SY email: ptm@xact.demon.co.uk ... pmahoney@cix.compulink.co.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 14:13:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24807; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:13:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01539; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:03:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01533; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:03:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkegX-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 13:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Greg Martz Subject: Re: Pine & SCO Unix Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 07:37:27 -700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <351qu2$75r@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <351qu2$75r@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> On 12 Sep 1994, Richard Giles wrote: > I read in the pine-ports document that somebody has started a port of Pine for SCO. > Does anybody know how far they have got? How difficult do you think it would > be to make Pine work with SCO? You can grab the executables of Pine from here: nwcl.nwcl.net in /pub/sco-ports. Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 14:17:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24954; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:17:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22075; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:08:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22069; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:08:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkeqD-00000kC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 13:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: [pc-pine] { ... ... }INBOX Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 09:00:04 -0700 Message-Id: References: <353gqn$i1h@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <353gqn$i1h@crl.crl.com> Yup, the problem is probably that smtp.interramp.com is not running imapd... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 12 Sep 1994, Bill Hogan wrote: > I took a closer look at the error message I get; it says > > Can't connect to interramp.com,143: > > where varies ("Connection refused", "Timed out", "Unknown error"). > > I am getting the idea that the "143" in the error message has something > to do with the `impd' (daemon?). > > If so, does the error consist on the fact that I am not running `impd' > or that smtp.interramp.com is not running `impd' or both? > > Thank you. > > Bill > > : -- > : Bill Hogan > : > : > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 14:51:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26555; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:51:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22718; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:42:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22710; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:42:07 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa20780; 13 Sep 94 17:42 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA04977; Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:42:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: *another* (non-mime related) user interface suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;TEXT/PLAIN; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And I also note that there's no way to select by a negative criteria ( e.g. "NOT To: sdm7g" ) except for selecting by flags: Answered/New/Important ( but not Selected ). That would be a useful feature. ( Not absolutely essential, as you can often "manually" 'Unselect Current' to exclude a few messages. ) I'm not sure where exactly it would fit into the interface. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 14:53:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26618; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:53:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02431; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:44:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02423; Tue, 13 Sep 94 14:44:04 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA03820; Tue, 13 Sep 94 17:42:18 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com ([131.101.20.206]) by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA25363; Tue, 13 Sep 94 16:34:59 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04316; Tue, 13 Sep 94 16:32:03 CDT Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:32:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: PC-Pine & addressbook and signature file Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, before I am flamed hopelessly, I have just re-read the Release Notes and found that the pine team already knows that you can't use remote address books and signature files. So this is another thing already on their long wish list for an upcoming release. The release notes also say the folders on the UNIX system will be read-only from PC-Pine. However, I am finding out that this is not the case and that both Pine and PC-Pine have read-write access to all folders. Have I just been lucky so far? Or was this changed and it didn't get updated in the release notes? Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 15:41:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28888; Tue, 13 Sep 94 15:41:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03421; Tue, 13 Sep 94 15:29:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03415; Tue, 13 Sep 94 15:29:51 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12935; Tue, 13 Sep 94 15:29:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: PC-Pine & addressbook and signature file In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The release notes also say the folders on the UNIX system will be > read-only from PC-Pine. However, I am finding out that this is not the > case and that both Pine and PC-Pine have read-write access to all > folders. Have I just been lucky so far? Or was this changed and it > didn't get updated in the release notes? Kenny, If you use IMAP to access remote Bky-format folders on the Unix system you're in Fat City --they will be R/W. However, if you access those Unix folders from the PC via NFS or SMB, or copy them to the PC, then they will be Read Only. The reason has to do with implementation limitations in the PC version of the Bky folder driver. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 18:15:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05757; Tue, 13 Sep 94 18:15:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06986; Tue, 13 Sep 94 18:04:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06980; Tue, 13 Sep 94 18:04:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkiUo-00000iC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 17:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 Exiting Abnormally When Messages Need to be Saved Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:43:16 -0700 Message-Id: References: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I would _not_ consider the "-fwritable_strings" hack to be reliable. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 13 Sep 1994, Douglas J. Bateman wrote: > David L Miller writes: > > > >Yup, the read-msg-folder variable triggers a bug in Pine 3.90. This will > >be fixed in Pine 3.91. > > >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > ---------% > In an earlier post, someone suggested that the problem with this was > that the default compile options set constant strings to non-rewrit- > able. He suggested recompiling with a flag of -fwritable_strings. I used > the equivalent -traditional switch when I recompiled pine and "eliminated" > the bug. > > My question is: how reliable is this fix? We'd really like to upgrade to > 3.9x but will wait for 3.91 if we must. Call me conservative but I don't > want to implement until I have confirmation from the development team > that this is a "legitimate" fix and not a temporary patch. Of course, if > it's going to be a month or more before 3.91 is released...well, that > puuts things in a different light. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 19:12:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07278; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:12:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27871; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:04:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27864; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:04:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkjPS-00000LC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 18:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lel@nouveau.demon.co.uk (Leo Leibovici) Subject: Re: Pine & SCO Unix References: <351qu2$75r@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 08:22:56 +0000 Message-Id: <779444576snz@nouveau.demon.co.uk> In article <351qu2$75r@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk> rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk "Richard Giles" writes: >I read in the pine-ports document that somebody has started a port of Pine for > SCO. >Does anybody know how far they have got? How difficult do you think it would >be to make Pine work with SCO? > >Richard > I built version 3.90 on SCO 3.2v4.2 with no difficulty. Just used "build sco". I have since modified Pico to use terminfo for function keys etc. -- Leo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leo Leibovici Software Development Manager Nouveau Solutions Ltd Suite 2, Parkside House 15 Headley Road WOODLEY Berkshire, UK RG5 4JB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 19:34:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07650; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:34:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08087; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:24:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08081; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:24:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkjkD-00000LC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 19:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) Subject: Re: [pc-pine] { ... ... }INBOX Date: 13 Sep 1994 11:20:22 -0700 Message-Id: <354qh6$96k@crl3.crl.com> References: <353gqn$i1h@crl.crl.com> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Yup, the problem is probably that smtp.interramp.com is not running imapd... : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) : University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 : 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA Thank you for this information, David. Ok, that's that. I have written a letter to Interramp explaining this problem and asking if they plan to support IMAPD any time soon. Bill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 21:06:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09372; Tue, 13 Sep 94 21:06:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29282; Tue, 13 Sep 94 20:59:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29276; Tue, 13 Sep 94 20:59:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qklBR-00000LC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 20:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ryan Scott Subject: catchup newsgroups 3.9 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it my imagination or is there no way to catchup the messages when reading newsgroups with pine 3.9.... this means everytime I enter it, if I haven't deleted it, a message will show up... if thats so, it poses a serious problem to using pine for newsgroups. A simple catchup would just D everygroup... Maybe I'm missing something... ______________________________________________________________________________ Ryan Scott - rscott@gate.net CyberGate Support Manager PLAYFIELD! AMOS Resources 1 800 NET GATE http://www.gate.net/amos/play/ Internet Connections From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 23:07:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11985; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:07:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11135; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:00:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11129; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:00:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkn7F-00000rC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 22:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: valko@cyberspace.com (Jack Valko) Subject: pine 3.89 and Real Name lookup Date: 13 Sep 1994 12:19:23 -0700 Message-Id: <354tvr$jtu@case.cyberspace.com> I've installed pine 3.89 on a Sparc-10 running 4.1.3 and C2 security. Normally, when I'm compose mail to a local user, I type their login and pine does a lookup on their real name and inserts that in the To: field and then puts their login in brackets ("< >"). Anyway, this isn't working ... Any ideas anyone? Jack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 13 23:49:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12981; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:49:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01797; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:41:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01791; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:41:11 -0700 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12674; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:39:19 -0700 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12668; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:39:18 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11671; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:39:17 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26291; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:39:16 -0700 Reply-To: Steve Hubert Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 23:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Source patch for 3.90 address book problems X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1361068192-779524756=:25999 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: As many of you know, there have been some problems with address books in Pine 3.90. Blank lines in an address book or entries with empty nicknames cause the problems. The symptom is usually that your address book appears to contain only a small subset of the entries. If you then try to add an entry or edit an entry, data will probably be destroyed. The patch files included as attachments in this message fix those problems. These are the patches that will be in version 3.91 when it comes out. These are source patches. Binary patches are not available at this time. Do you need this fix? It's probably reasonable for most people to wait for the 3.91 release. It is also probably wise to make a backup copy of your address books, in any case. (You would have to do that outside of Pine.) When will 3.91 be available? This is hard to predict. We're trying to correct as many of the reported bugs as possible before releasing 3.91. We will also try to correct the bugs that will be reported in the next couple of weeks, and we don't know how many of those there will be. If the problems that we learn about in the next couple of weeks aren't too bad, we expect to release 3.91 around the end of the month. If you are going to install these fixes and you have the patch program available on your system, the easiest way to put the patches in is with the Pine pipe command. Suppose your pine source tree is rooted at /usr/src/local/pine3.90. Go into the attachment viewer index by typing "V", then feed each of attachments 2 through 5 to the command patch -d /usr/src/local/pine3.90/pine (Notice the extra /pine on the end of that, because these files are all in the pine subdirectory.) That should replace the four files in the pine subdirectory with new versions. You then cd to the pine3.90 directory and run the build script. 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Bjorklund) Subject: Found bug in PC-Pine 3.90 (init_subject_cache) Date: 13 Sep 1994 20:31:54 GMT Message-Id: <35527q$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Last week I reported two bugs with PC-Pine 3.90. I found and fixed one of them today. When PC-Pine is instructed to sort a folder by anything other than arrival order, the machine appears to lock up and the disk is filled with a large collection of lost file chains. Below is the culprit function (from mailindx.c). /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- initialize the subject cache ----*/ void init_subject_cache(n) long n; { subcache = (struct subcache *) fs_get(sizeof(struct subcache)); memset((void *)subcache, 0, sizeof(struct subcache)); subcache->size = n; #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) subcache->buf = fs_get(SUB_CACHE_LEN+1); subcache->ent = tmpfile(); { long i; for(i = 0L; i <= n; n++) fwrite(subcache->buf, (size_t)SUB_CACHE_LEN, (size_t)1, subcache->ent); #else subcache->ent = (char **)fs_get((size_t)(n+1L) * sizeof(char *)); memset((void *)subcache->ent, 0, (size_t)(n+1L) * sizeof(char *)); #endif } The for statement should be changed to: for (i = 0L; i <= n; i++) As it stands in the original source, n will just run away from i and fill your disk with what is contained in subcache->buf. If you rebooted your machine to break out of this, the writes in the for loop will turn into lost chains and you will need to run CHKDSK /F to recover your disk space. After making this change and rebuilding PC-Pine, I found another problem with folder sorting that I haven't looked into yet. Sorting by Subject and Ordered Subject will only work if it is set in PINERC and then only when the folder is initially opened. Selecting $ and then either of those options on an open folder will list mail in the order it was in when the folder was opened. The other sorts work properly. I have not yet been able to track down the other bug I reported last week. After running PC-Pine 3.90 any Novell mapped drives when accessed will lock up or reboot the machine. PC-Pine 3.89 did not have this problem. If anyone has solved this I would love to here the solution, since this prevents us from deploying PC-Pine 3.90 in our computing sites. Now, for a question/flame. Was PC-Pine even tested before it was released? The sorting problem was glaring enough that it should have been found with minimal testing. Yet I did not seen any mention of it in the documentation, readme files or in the mailing list/newsgroup. -- =============================================================================== Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 00:06:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13496; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:06:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02043; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:00:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02037; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:00:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qko0k-00000kC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@us.itd.umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: cmsg cancel <3551tr$9hr@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Control: cancel <3551tr$9hr@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: 13 Sep 1994 20:28:40 GMT Message-Id: <35521o$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <3551tr$9hr@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 00:07:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13545; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:07:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11955; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:59:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11949; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:59:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkny7-00000LC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ryan Scott Subject: incoming folders problemn Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 16:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just got pine 3.9 and I'm playing around with it - I created some incoming boxes and gave them nicknames, etc. They have NO messages in them. I can't erase them! One says just this: Nickname of folder AMOS_LIST I try to erase it and it says can't erase :: I don't think the instructions are very clear on incoming folders. I have about 7 folders where filter sends my incoming mail. If I want tab to work, I somehow have to make these folders move up to the Incoming section. How do I do that? All in all, I'm impressed, but for this problem. I'm reading this newsgroup with pine right now and I love it. ______________________________________________________________________________ Ryan Scott - rscott@gate.net CyberGate Support Manager PLAYFIELD! AMOS Resources 1 800 NET GATE http://www.gate.net/amos/play/ Internet Connections From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 00:12:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13735; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:12:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12067; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:06:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12061; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:06:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qko8p-00000IC; Tue, 13 Sep 94 23:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djb@sol.acs.unt.edu (Douglas J. Bateman) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 Exiting Abnormally When Messages Need to be Saved Date: 13 Sep 94 20:35:46 GMT Message-Id: References: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> David L Miller writes: >Yup, the read-msg-folder variable triggers a bug in Pine 3.90. This will >be fixed in Pine 3.91. >|\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 >|/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) >University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 >4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA ---------% Received: from shivams.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12595; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:43:28 -0700 Received: by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14363; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:42:35 -0700 Received: by ListDist v0.2 for /usr/local/lib/pine-announce.cf Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13588; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:07:24 -0700 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02161; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:07:22 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26960; Wed, 14 Sep 94 00:07:22 -0700 Reply-To: Steve Hubert Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 00:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Announcement Distribution Subject: Re: Source patch for 3.90 address book problems X-Owner: pine-announce-request@cac.washington.edu X-To: Pine Announcement Distribution Well, that's certainly embarrassing. It seems our very own pine-announce mailing list handler strips the essential MIME headers off before sending the message out, so my last message to pine-announce will appear garbled. I'll try to get that fixed tomorrow and then send the patch again. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, ..... (some of you might not know what I'm talking about because I blasted the message out of the mail queue before it finished sending everyone a useless copy) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 01:10:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15211; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:10:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02806; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:00:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from leeman.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02800; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:00:34 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by leeman.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27042-0@leeman.york.ac.uk>; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 08:48:45 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for @leeman.york.ac.uk:rscott@gate.net id AA05664; Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:00:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:00:30 +0100 From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Pine Info Mailing List Cc: Ryan Scott Subject: Re: catchup newsgroups 3.9 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You're missing something (this was asked and answered about three days ago too)... Pine gives you a pair of wonderful commands called Select (the ";" command) and Apply (the "A" command). Select can be used to select messages/articles by many criteria (eg, Current, All, Subject string, From sender, To recipient, etc). It also lets you broaden a selection (in effect by doing an OR between criteria) or narrow it (an AND). Having selected a range of messages a command can then be Applied to the selection. (There is another related command, Zoom (Z), which restricts the Folder Index list to just the selected messages.) So what you want to do is to first select all the messages (articles) in your newsgroup. Do this by typing: ; A Now Apply (A) a Delete command (D) to the selection: A D So the four keystrokes ; A A D will mark all the messages in the current newsgroup or mail folder as deleted. OK, some people complain that this is three keystrokes longer than "K" (catch-up) or whatever. However it offers great flexibility in selecting messages to be operated on, and is consistent with Pine's behaviour in mailboxes too. You may also like to consider applying other commands such as Save (S) or Print (Y). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brudenell E-mail: pmb1@unix.york.ac.uk The Computing Service Phone: (+44) 904 433811 University of York FAX: (+44) 904 432767 Heslington York YO1 5DD U.K. On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, Ryan Scott wrote: > Is it my imagination or is there no way to catchup the messages when > reading newsgroups with pine 3.9.... > > this means everytime I enter it, if I haven't deleted it, a message will > show up... if thats so, it poses a serious problem to using pine for > newsgroups. A simple catchup would just D everygroup... > > Maybe I'm missing something... > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Ryan Scott - rscott@gate.net CyberGate Support Manager > PLAYFIELD! AMOS Resources 1 800 NET GATE > http://www.gate.net/amos/play/ Internet Connections From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 01:37:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16119; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:37:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03254; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:30:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03248; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:30:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkpPP-00000nC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine 3.89 and Real Name lookup Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:16:21 -0700 Message-Id: References: <354tvr$jtu@case.cyberspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <354tvr$jtu@case.cyberspace.com> Have you tried setting the user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch feature? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 13 Sep 1994, Jack Valko wrote: > > I've installed pine 3.89 on a Sparc-10 running 4.1.3 and C2 security. > Normally, when I'm compose mail to a local user, I type their login and > pine does a lookup on their real name and inserts that in the To: field > and then puts their login in brackets ("< >"). Anyway, this isn't > working ... > > Any ideas anyone? > > Jack > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 01:53:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16485; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:53:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13551; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:45:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13545; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:45:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkpag-00000qC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 01:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dave@lydian.scranton.com (Dave D. Cawley) Subject: Pine for VMS? Date: 13 Sep 1994 22:34:34 GMT Message-Id: <3559dq$ubh@ionian.scranton.com> Hi, I'm looking for a site that has Pine for VMS in it, any clues? Thanks! ****************************************************************************** Dave D. Cawley, Maitre d' | Internet Access, Network Design The Internet Cafe | and Software Development Scranton, Pennsylvania | (717) 344-1969 | Your Footpath Into The Global Village dave@lydian.scranton.com | ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 03:24:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18556; Wed, 14 Sep 94 03:24:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14650; Wed, 14 Sep 94 03:09:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from access2.digex.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14644; Wed, 14 Sep 94 03:09:24 -0700 Received: by access2.digex.net id AA18254 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 14 Sep 1994 06:09:20 -0400 Received: by goofy (5.65/1.35) id AA00242; Wed, 14 Sep 94 05:59:12 -0400 From: scott@access.digex.net (Scott Galloway) Message-Id: <9409140959.AA00242@goofy> Subject: Pine 3.90 ported to ISC UNIX 3.2 ??? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 05:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: outbox@access.digex.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 431 Hi all, Has anyone got Pine 3.90 ported to Interactive (ISC) UNIX 3.2? I successfully got PICO to build, but since ISC 3.2 does not support symbolic links, the build (makes) for PINE continue to die when attempts are made to "ln -s". Sorry, I do not have alot of free time to work around this and was hoping someone had an ISC UNIX "build" that was modified that did NOT use "ln -s". TIA, Scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 04:25:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20727; Wed, 14 Sep 94 04:25:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05520; Wed, 14 Sep 94 04:15:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05514; Wed, 14 Sep 94 04:15:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkryq-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 03:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu (S.K. Jagarlamudi) Subject: How do you filter selective mail? Date: 14 Sep 1994 01:47:20 GMT Message-Id: <355kn8$b7v@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu> Hi How can I avoid or rather forward mail from one particular user to someone else ? thank you sunil -- ////////////////////////////////// Sunil //////// Homer is never home! //////// skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu //////// ////////////////////////////////// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 07:47:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26821; Wed, 14 Sep 94 07:47:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18761; Wed, 14 Sep 94 07:36:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18755; Wed, 14 Sep 94 07:36:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkvBc-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 07:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: disabiling pines From: line generation Date: 13 Sep 1994 12:49:06 GMT Message-Id: Hi, Is there an easy way to stop pine generating it's own From: headers? I've got sendmail set up sweet here (USERDB rewrites) but as pine generates it's own From: header - sendmail just leaves it alone :-( -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790111 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 08:24:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27961; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:24:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19506; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:16:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19500; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:16:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkvlE-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 07:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@us.itd.umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: Re: Found bug in PC-Pine 3.90 (init_subject_cache) Date: 14 Sep 1994 14:28:19 GMT Message-Id: <3571fc$fnp@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <35527q$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article , Barry Landy writes: |> On 13 Sep 1994, Allan M. Bjorklund wrote: |> |> > Last week I reported two bugs with PC-Pine 3.90. I found and fixed one of |> > them today. |> > |> > When PC-Pine is instructed to sort a folder by anything other than arrival |> > order, the machine appears to lock up and the disk is filled with a |> > large collection of lost file chains. |> > |> [snip] |> > |> > Now, for a question/flame. |> > |> > Was PC-Pine even tested before it was released? The sorting problem was |> > glaring enough that it should have been found with minimal testing. Yet |> > I did not seen any mention of it in the documentation, readme files or in |> > the mailing list/newsgroup. |> |> Not an answer to your question, but:- |> I tried sorting in a pre-release of Windows Pine, which seemed to |> complete OK, but slowly. Other than that I have not tried sorting in |> PC-PINE as I know from bitter experience (Pine 3.85) that it is/was so slow |> as to be catastrophic, and no one has suggested that there has been any |> magic wand waved. Now if you or someone else tells me that it now (or |> at least, after the bug fix) works at a reasonable speed I will try again |> (Presumably in 3.91). |> |> [ some text deleted ] Yes, even though I haven't tried the Windows version of Pine yet, I do not doubt that it works. By examining the source code I listed in my first post, you see that the Windows version uses the same code as the various UNIX versions. Only for DOS does it do things differently, and hence you are going to find some different bugs. -- =============================================================================== Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 08:34:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28351; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:34:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19622; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:21:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19616; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:21:26 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA09571; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:19:33 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA05233; Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:58:43 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04346; Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:55:43 CDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:55:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: "S.K. Jagarlamudi" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do you filter selective mail? In-Reply-To: <355kn8$b7v@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 14 Sep 1994, S.K. Jagarlamudi wrote: > > Hi > How can I avoid or rather forward mail from one particular user to someone > else ? Sunil, You aren't very specific here, so I will answer this 2 ways. To do this interactively, you can use 'F' while reading the message you want to forward. However, I suspect you would like to do this automagically. This can be done by using a filtering program like 'filter' which is included in the ELM distribution I believe and 'procmail' (I don't know where you get this, but according to messages here, it is the superior program). I have included a message I have kept around because it has some examples of how to use 'filter'. Hope this helps, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// --------- Filter message example --------------- >From labmas@u.washington.edu Date: 29 Jun 1994 19:51:05 GMT From: Lab Master To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HELP! Filtering incoming mail wrote: >David, what you're saying here is great news, but I'm afraid I still need >some help (I'm quite new at this, and just learning as I go along). > >1.So far, I've read man filter and from what I understand, I need to write a >filter-rules file, which is placed in my $HOME/.elm/ directory. I'm >getting my messages from a mail-list named Chile-heads, so I wrote this >file with one line: > > rules = if (from = Chile-heads@chile.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu) then save > Chile-heads Here's what's in my ~/.elm/filter-rules file: (~ is shorthand for $HOME) if (to contains "RXYZ@") then forward "RXYZ@UMAB.BITNET" if (to contains "ABC") then forward "ABC@UFRJ.BITNET" if (to contains "DEF") then save "~/mail/DEF-Inbox" if (to contains "GHI") then save "~/mail/GHI-Inbox" if (to contains "JKL") then save "~/JKL-Inbox" if (to contains "@") then save "~/Inbox" Explanation: Lines 1 and 2... couldn't get off the mailing lists, and the listowners wouldn't respond to my messages, so now I'm bouncing anything from those lists back to the list. Lines 3, 4, and 5... all are high-volume mailing lists, so I put those into their own "Inboxes." By the way, I *do* *not* add these into the .pinerc file, since they are not relevant to my Real Job (tm), and I don't want to be notified when there's new mail in them (there's *always* new mail in them... they're high volume). Line 6 is because on our system, something is screwed up, and all mail that didn't fit into rules 1-5 went into an ~/EMERGENCY_MBOX file, and I didn't like that. >2.Now what do I do next? Do I go into .pinerc and write: > > incoming-folders=Chile-heads filter/$HOME/mail/Chile-heads (?) Prbably. I don't... see above (rules 3-5). >Do I have to make any mention of my default INBOX, where I still want >"regular" messages to be placed? Maybe. I do... see above (rule 6). >3.I have seen references to a .forward file somewhere, but I'm have no idea >what that file should contain, and where to put it? You put it in your home directory: ~/.forward. Here's what's in mine: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o ~/.elm/filter-errors" Also note that this format (I can't seem to get any others to work properly) will create (in your .elm directory) files called: filter-errors, filterlog, and filtersum. Filterlog and filtersum keep on growing and growing and growing and growing, so that eventually you need to delete them. Filterlog is *especially* bad. I keep mine until it's about 0.5 meg, then rm it, *AND THEN I CREATE A NEW ONE*. An empty file (one line, or a 0), just so that filter can have a file... it's pretty finnicky. If there isn't a file for it, it starts putting all your mail back in that !@!$#!@ EMERGENCY_MBOX file again. >This probably is very elementary for those of you who've done this >already, but I must say that it is very confusing for me. The >instructions that come with filter, procmail, and pine are all so >cryptic, no matter hw many times I pore over them. Trust me, I've been doing it for a while, and it's still pretty cryptic! I've had lots of great help from the help desk and system operators here at the University. (Keep up the good work, people!) Hope this helped a little. --Lab Master From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 10:13:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03776; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:13:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12191; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:04:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12185; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:04:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkxRL-00000kC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Found bug in PC-Pine 3.90 (init_subject_cache) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:51:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: <35527q$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35527q$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> On 13 Sep 1994, Allan M. Bjorklund wrote: > Last week I reported two bugs with PC-Pine 3.90. I found and fixed one of > them today. > > When PC-Pine is instructed to sort a folder by anything other than arrival > order, the machine appears to lock up and the disk is filled with a > large collection of lost file chains. > [snip] > > Now, for a question/flame. > > Was PC-Pine even tested before it was released? The sorting problem was > glaring enough that it should have been found with minimal testing. Yet > I did not seen any mention of it in the documentation, readme files or in > the mailing list/newsgroup. Not an answer to your question, but:- I tried sorting in a pre-release of Windows Pine, which seemed to complete OK, but slowly. Other than that I have not tried sorting in PC-PINE as I know from bitter experience (Pine 3.85) that it is/was so slow as to be catastrophic, and no one has suggested that there has been any magic wand waved. Now if you or someone else tells me that it now (or at least, after the bug fix) works at a reasonable speed I will try again (Presumably in 3.91). > > -- > =============================================================================== > Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu > =============================================================================== > ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 10:16:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03862; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:16:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22647; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:07:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22625; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:07:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkxWL-00000nC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 09:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wcwoods@library.uwaterloo.ca (Charles Woods) Subject: When will printing in pine work with Netware? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:50:33 GMT The documentation in our current version of pine (3.87) is pretty clear: printing within pine is not supported in a Novell Netware environment. Question: Will this be changing in the near-term? Thank, -- Charles Woods Tel:(519) 885-1211,x-3750 Systems Manager, Cataloguing Fax:(519) 747-4606 Dana Porter Library Net: wcwoods@library.uwaterloo.ca University of Waterloo From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 10:32:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04791; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:32:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22948; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:22:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22942; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:22:16 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA10730; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:20:28 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com ([131.101.20.206]) by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA10497; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:13:10 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04366; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:10:16 CDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 12:10:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: PCPINE and 3 bad password attempts Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I had a user report that he attempted to enter his passwd 3 times unsuccessfully (due to the CAP-LOCK key) and PC-PINE sort of locked up. I know, 'sort of locked up'? By this I mean, you can no longer attempt to log in(waited about 10 minutes) but selecting Options, About or Help from the menu works. Also, I can't find a way to close PC-Pine. Is this the expected behavior? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 10:42:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05366; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:42:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12847; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:30:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12404; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:10:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12398; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:10:39 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08657; Wed, 14 Sep 94 10:10:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 10:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu Subject: Source patch for 3.90 address book problems (retry) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-536029610-779562637=:7156" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-536029610-779562637=:7156 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Ok, here's another attempt. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle As many of you know, there have been some problems with address books in Pine 3.90. Blank lines in an address book or entries with empty nicknames cause the problems. The symptom is usually that your address book appears to contain only a small subset of the entries. If you then try to add an entry or edit an entry, data will probably be destroyed. The patch files included as attachments in this message fix those problems. These are the patches that will be in version 3.91 when it comes out. These are source patches. Binary patches are not available at this time. Do you need this fix? It's probably reasonable for most people to wait for the 3.91 release. It is also probably wise to make a backup copy of your address books, in any case. (You would have to do that outside of Pine.) When will 3.91 be available? This is hard to predict. We're trying to correct as many of the reported bugs as possible before releasing 3.91. We will also try to correct the bugs that will be reported in the next couple of weeks, and we don't know how many of those there will be. If the problems that we learn about in the next couple of weeks aren't too bad, we expect to release 3.91 around the end of the month. If you are going to install these fixes and you have the patch program available on your system, the easiest way to put the patches in is with the Pine pipe command. Suppose your pine source tree is rooted at /usr/src/local/pine3.90. Go into the attachment viewer index by typing "V", then feed each of attachments 2 through 5 to the command patch -d /usr/src/local/pine3.90/pine (Notice the extra /pine on the end of that, because these files are all in the pine subdirectory.) That should replace the four files in the pine subdirectory with new versions. You then cd to the pine3.90 directory and run the build script. 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Date: 14 Sep 1994 10:27:36 -0700 Message-Id: <357bq8$md9@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> Every once in a while since installing pine 3.90 on our solaris 2.3 system I've been catching pine processes that have gone into a tight loop. The problem appears to be caused by the user having logoff (probably forcefully) and pine not picking up on the fact that he should now go away. gdb doesn't allow me to debug another process so I can't give you much more information but I did get some truss output from two tasks that shows the problem: write(1, "1B [ 5 ; 1 4 H", 7) Err#5 EIO poll(0xEFFFDA88, 1, 150000) = 1 read(0, 0xEFFFDA0F, 1) = 0 time() = 779559428 write(1, "1B [ 5 ; 1 4 H", 7) Err#5 EIO poll(0xEFFFDA88, 1, 150000) = 1 read(0, 0xEFFFDA0F, 1) = 0 time() = 779559428 ... and poll(0xEFFFDC48, 1, 150000) = 1 read(0, 0xEFFFDBCF, 1) = 0 time() = 779559405 poll(0xEFFFDC48, 1, 150000) = 1 read(0, 0xEFFFDBCF, 1) = 0 time() = 779559405 ... Any ideas? Thanks George -- George Lindholm phone: (604) 822-4375 University Computing Services, UBC fax: (604) 822-5116 6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, B.C., Canada internet: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca V6T 1Z2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 11:36:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07823; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:36:13 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24453; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:27:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24447; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:26:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkykY-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: Re: Free running mailing list Date: 14 Sep 1994 12:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9409141713.AA18956@poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it> References: <3545fg$q5b@io.salford.ac.uk> In article <3545fg$q5b@io.salford.ac.uk>, a.m.abdullah@physics.salford.ac.uk (Abd Malik Abdullah) write: |> |> How do I create a mailing list that runs by itself. What I mean |> is if someone on the list send a message, how do I tell pine to |> automatically distribute it to the rest on the list. I know how to You do not do that with Pine, Pine is an user agent (what YOU use to send mail). There are two ways to do that : 1) simple, for small lists you mantain. If you are root, define your list as an alias in /etc/aliases. If you are not root, ask you sys adm to define in /etc/aliases an alias to an :include: file which you will then mantain. This is very simple, we use it a lot down here 2) more sophisticated, for longer lists, which can also be self mantained (i.e. people can subscribe automatically to the list) get software to do it, e.g. listserv (was free now commercial ?) or listproc, or .... other may know better than I do -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 12:04:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09400; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:04:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14887; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:56:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14665; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:48:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14653; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:48:11 -0700 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA17503 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:48:05 -0500 Received: (amos@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id NAA10834; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:48:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 13:48:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Amos A. Gouaux" To: Steve Hubert Cc: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Source patch for 3.90 address book problems (retry) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > Ok, here's another attempt. > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle I'm getting duplicates of all of these messages. I should only be subscribed to pine-announce. I was subscribed to pine-info but unsubscribed when the news group was created. I tried to figure out what was going on through MajorDomo (a while ago) but it didn't even show me as being on pine-announce. Can someone help? Amos From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 12:20:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10448; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:20:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15366; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:12:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15360; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:12:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qkzQA-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 11:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kkenny@cabell.vcu.edu (Karen S. Kenny) Subject: Re: Overwrite don't in 3.90 (in AIX?) Message-Id: <1994Sep14.142927.22216@cabell.vcu.edu> References: <34hskn$o2j@news.cerf.net> <34kpsc$gp7@news.cerf.net> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:29:27 GMT malcor@class.class.org (Dan Malcor-LA Times) writes: >I am running AIX 3.2.4(ish). I have tried exactly the steps below and I >still get an append. Sigh! It sounds like I am alone. Any other AIXers running >Pine 3.90 out there want to test this? I am running on an RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.5, and could not reproduce the results you reported. I overwrote the file as I should have. Karen +==================================================================+ Karen Kenny Medical College of VA kkenny@opal.vcu.edu You are who you are when no one kkenny@gems.vcu.edu else is looking. kkenny@cabell.vcu.edu +==================================================================+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 12:47:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11778; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:47:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16026; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:39:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@SIVM.SI.EDU:stoneji@scan.si.edu> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16019; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:39:30 -0700 Received: from scan.si.edu by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:38:29 EDT Received: by scan.si.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA12805; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:34:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Stone To: Charles Woods Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: When will printing in pine work with Netware? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Charles Woods wrote: > The documentation in our current version of pine (3.87) is pretty clear: > printing within pine is not supported in a Novell Netware environment. > > Question: Will this be changing in the near-term? Thank, I have no problem printing to a printer on a Novell server, but my setup may be significantly different from yours. We have PINE running on a Unix host, which we access using "Novell Virtual Terminal" (NVT). We print using the Novell/DOS "capture" command (or the equivalent procedure in Windows) on the client end and the "attached-to-ansi" printing feature in PINE. This has worked consistently in PINE 3.89 and 3.90. jim -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- "as long as the music's loud enough, ::::: Jim Stone we won't hear the world falling apart." ::::: Smithsonian Institution -derek jarman, "jubilee" ::::: stoneji@scan.si.edu -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 13:17:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13317; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:17:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27003; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:06:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26997; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:06:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql0FH-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Sharaz Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:15:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, Michael Reynolds wrote: > George, I'm using v3.90 and also have all the other things installed > you mention, with the exception that I'm using Windows for > Workgroups tcp/ip (1st official release version). I have win32s > v1.15a installed, and MS-DOS 6.20. Perhaps it doesn't like something > in PC/TCP's winsock?? I'm using WFWG 3.11 and lan workplace vsn 4.12 with the appropriate winsock.dll and it doens't work either. i can do everything except send mail. I've also got win32s Vsn 1.15a installed as well. interestingly enough, I've been trying to run a package called ECSMail for windows and the latest beta release had problems after they rewrote their winsock code to get round a problem in PC-NFS. It brought up a problem with the Lan workplace winsocket code although I don;t know exactly what the problem was. Alex > > Mike Reynolds > Univ of Washington Library Systems > reynolds@u.washington.edu > > On Fri, 9 Sep 1994, George Theall wrote: > > > I grabbed the latest release of PC Pine (v3.90 beta) and am having trouble > > with it. My system is a 486 running Windows 3.1, DOS 6.00, PC/TCP v2.2 with > > v1.10 of their Winsock.DLL, and the Win32s extension v1.15a. > > > > First off, I like it! I have it configured so I can read mail located on > > several hosts, both new and those already in folders, and even read news. > > However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > > I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > > salute to shutdown the window. > > > > I have been testing several other mail clients on this machine and can > > indeed send mail with them so I doubt it's the smtp host configuration. > > > > Anyone else experiencing this or similar problems? I suspect the win32s > > extension. > > > > > > George > > --- > > theall1@mail.tju.edu Department of Information Systems > > theall@popmail.tju.edu Thomas Jefferson University > > > > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 14:28:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15988; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:28:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18535; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:19:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pilot.njin.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18524; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:19:54 -0700 Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA11022; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:19:52 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:19:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard C. Gaine" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine/pico user guides Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello All, I am looking for a good command reference/userguide for pine and pico. Does anyone have, or know where In can get a good user guide for pine and or pico? Rick Gaine From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 14:31:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16140; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:31:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18589; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:21:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18583; Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:21:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql1QK-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 Exiting Abnormally When Messages Need to be Saved Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <357dkv$62k@universe.digex.net> References: <351uul$htp@universe.digex.net> In article , djb@sol.acs.unt.edu wrote: > >In an earlier post, someone suggested that the problem with this was >that the default compile options set constant strings to non-rewrit- >able. He suggested recompiling with a flag of -fwritable_strings. I used >the equivalent -traditional switch when I recompiled pine and "eliminated" >the bug. > One of the main reasons that I asked this question originally was that I had downloaded 3.90 for HP-UX from the HP archive and installed it on my system. They make no mention of any change regarding this problem and the bug is not triggered (ie, I can specify a different file to move read messages to). cheers, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 15:36:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18940; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:36:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00575; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:27:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00567; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:27:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql2X7-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Kevin J. Sinclair" Subject: Re: How do you filter selective mail? Message-Id: References: <355kn8$b7v@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:57:43 GMT >From nancym Wed Jun 29 15:56:42 1994 Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine,comp.mail.elm Subject: Re: HELP! Filtering incoming mail From: Nancy McGough Organization: Infinite Ink, Seattle, Washington, USA Here's yet another list of instructions for setting up filter. USING ELM'S FILTER PROGRAM TO FILTER INCOMING MAIL ================================================== 1] Note the full path for filter by typing: which filter If your system doesn't have filter ask your sys admin to install it. 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd 3] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 4] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules: if (to contains "seasigi") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.seasigi" if (to contains "lynx-dev") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.lynx-dev" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-talk" if (to contains "www-announce") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-announce" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Unix mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). Note that ``to contains...'' means either the To or Cc header contains... 5] To see what the filter rules will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 6] Create a ~/.forward file by typing: cd pico .forward 7] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" Note you do want to include the quotes and you want to replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1) and replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Note that on some systems you will need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod +x . 8] Send yourself an email message to make sure that regular messages get through to your default inbox. 9] Regularly look at ~/.elm/filterlog and filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space! FOR MORE INFO SEE: man filter |less comp.mail.elm Elm Filter Guide I hope this helps. Please send me any suggestions for improving it - updated versions will be on ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail. -Nancy S.K. Jagarlamudi (skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu) wrote: : Hi : How can I avoid or rather forward mail from one particular user to someone : else ? : thank you : sunil : -- : ////////////////////////////////// : Sunil //////// : Homer is never home! //////// : skj7483@silver.sdsmt.edu //////// : ////////////////////////////////// -- Kevin Internet: kjs@computer.com San Carlos, CA USA (near San Francisco) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 16:01:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20198; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:01:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21030; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:52:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21014; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:52:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql2qW-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kurgpold@mizar.usc.edu (Elmar Kurgpold) Subject: Undesired behavior of TAB Date: 14 Sep 1994 12:45:18 -0700 Message-Id: <357jse$rfh@mizar.usc.edu> If I switch from a secondary incoming folder to my inbox _without_ expunging the deleted messages, I cannot tab back into that folder even if I left messages marked as new. Only when additional messages are delivered to the folder can I use the tab method to get into it. Not a serious problem, but could this be fixed? ,-,,-, __ ------------------------------------- ______/ /_,' | | Elmar Kurgpold | \________________/ | University of Southern California | |\) (/ | | The Law Center | ( | oo | "My mind has wandered | kurgpold@usc.edu | ) `| |--' from the flock, you see | (213)740-2545 FAX: (213)740-5502 | (___^^^^| And the flock has ------------------------------------- (____' wandered away from me" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 16:26:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21422; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:26:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21600; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:17:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from oboe.aix.calpoly.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21594; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:17:20 -0700 Received: by oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38425; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:16:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "George L. Westlund" To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine/pico user guides In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:19:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: Richard C. Gaine > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: pine/pico user guides > > Hello All, > I am looking for a good command reference/userguide for pine and > pico. Does anyone have, or know where In can get a good user guide for > pine and or pico? > > Rick Gaine I don't how good they compair to others, but I have one for Pine and one for Pico that are available via our gopher at URL: gopher://oboe.calpoly.edu:70/00/computing_at_CP/comp_OS/aix3/assist/how_tos /on-line/system/aix30301.ans for the PICO guide and gopher://oboe.calpoly.edu:70/00/computing_at_CP/comp_OS/aix3/assist/how_tos /on-line/system/aix80530.ans for the PINE guide. NOTE this doesn't include the latest versions of each, its modeled after 3.89 of PINE. George L. Westlund || Internet: gwestlu@calpoly.edu Academic Computing Services || BITNET: DI001@CALPOLY.BITNET Cal Poly || NoiseNET: (805)756-6543 San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 || FAX: (805)756-1536 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 16:32:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21673; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21798; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:24:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rigel.infinet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21790; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:24:00 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0ql3gN-000DTWC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 19:24 EDT Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: Re: pine/pico user guides To: "Richard C. Gaine" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > I am looking for a good command reference/userguide for pine and > pico. Does anyone have, or know where In can get a good user guide for > pine and or pico? Rick, did you type man pine >pine.man and man pico >pico.man. This helps me with alot of guide type issues. Dave ___ **************************************************************************** |No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads!| **************************************************************************** | Dave M. Harvey PGP 2.61 Public Key available. | | PO Box 151311 Finger warrior@infinet.com.us | | Columbus, OH 43215-8311 dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 16:40:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21920; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:40:57 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21991; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21985; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql3Yg-00000kC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Traigle Subject: pop and imap hang Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 16:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I didn't notice any imap or pop newsgroups so I'm posting here. I just moved our mail server to a new machine because of problems with the original. Now I have a small problem that I have thus far been unable to resolve. The particulars: imap, ipop2d, and ipop3d all worked fine on the original machine. On the new machine, imap works fine via pine. Attempting to telnet to any of the three though results in a hanging process. ipop2d and ipop3d don't seem to be talking to Eudora either though they did fine on the original machine. As far as I can tell, I have set up everything identically (made appropriate changes to /etc/services and /usr/etc/inetd.conf). Both machines are SGIs (the original running IRIX 4.0.5A, the new 4.0.5F). If there are any ideas as to why this is happening, I'd love to here them. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | | Systems Administrator | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | University of Michigan University of Michigan | | College of Pharmacy Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 (313) 763-5449 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu Pager: (810) 617-8793 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 16:41:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21949; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:41:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02315; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02309; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql3S6-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cary Orange Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:59:42 EDT Message-Id: <357oc1$pt7@gazoo.sdd.comsat.com> References: <352lh6$fhl@dragon.nofc.forestry.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > > This also happens to me with Pathworks 5's Winsock and vanilla Windows. > I was blaming Pathworks' winsock, which has caused some other problems; > sounds like it affects some other winsocks out there as well. > I'm having the exact same problem with NetManage's Winsock and Trumpet. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 17:00:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22768; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:00:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22443; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:52:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22437; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:52:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql3o9-00000tC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: prplhaze@metronet.com (prplhaze) Subject: replying to mail in digest form Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:21:42 GMT hi, when mail is received in digest form there may be 15-20 articles. using pine 3.87 how does one respond to a given article within the mail message. when i try to reply the entire digest is quoted and i can't figure out how to reply to the author rather than the mailing list. is cut and paste the only option? thanks for any sugestions. joe -- prplhaze@metronet.com |you can see by my coat i'm from the other side From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 17:01:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22876; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:01:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02865; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:52:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02859; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:52:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql3lh-00000qC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: valko@cyberspace.com (Jack Valko) Subject: Re: pine 3.89 and Real Name lookup Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:44:10 -0700 Message-Id: <357naq$l3f@case.cyberspace.com> References: <354tvr$jtu@case.cyberspace.com> Yes. I discovered how to fix the lookup, but now I have a new problem. I took out my 'user-domain' setting in pine.conf, but now it only prints the hostname and not the domain name. I have tried fiddling with 'use-only-domain-name' even though the comments indicate it's not a solution. Any additional ideas? Jack David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Have you tried setting the user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch feature? : On 13 Sep 1994, Jack Valko wrote: : > I've installed pine 3.89 on a Sparc-10 running 4.1.3 and C2 security. : > Normally, when I'm compose mail to a local user, I type their login and : > pine does a lookup on their real name and inserts that in the To: field : > and then puts their login in brackets ("< >"). Anyway, this isn't : > working ... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 17:04:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23295; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:04:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02985; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:57:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02979; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:57:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql3xO-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dscott@lamar.ColoState.EDU (David Scott) Subject: Problems with sending address in messages Date: 14 Sep 1994 15:17:36 -0600 Message-Id: <357p9g$1is6@lamar.ColoState.EDU> I am having a problem with pine not sending the full address when I send a message. When user-domain is not specified, only the name of the machine (tlaloc) is sent. If I specify user-domain as stat.colostate.edu, only the domain is sent, and not the machine. This obviously causes problems with reply. Messages sent by ordinary unix mail do have the correct 'from' address. I am using Pine 3.89. I am just using it myself on the machine I use---it has not been set up for general access by the system administrator. Please reply by email as I do not read this newsgroup. David Scott ----------- scott@tlaloc.stat.colostate.edu (Preferred address) dscott@lamar.colostate.edu (Will also work) David J. Scott, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University, CO 80523 -- ----------- scott@tlaloc.stat.colostate.edu (Preferred address) dscott@lamar.colostate.edu (Will also work) David J. Scott, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University, CO 80523 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 17:14:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24196; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:14:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23019; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:07:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23013; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:07:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql40e-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rbowers@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx (Roy Bowers [PG]) Subject: Reply text Date: 14 Sep 1994 14:11:43 -0600 Message-Id: <357ldv$dmh@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx> When you include sender-text in Pine, appears the line: "On Sept 7, John Doe wrote:" Is there any user configurable way to change the default so that line says: "On Sept 7, you wrote:" 99% of my correspondence is one-on-one, and the third person default is very impersonal in my mind. Thanks.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Roy Bowers ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Academic Coordinator - Ph.D. Program Center for Biological Research La Paz, B.C.S. 23000, MEXICO rbowers@cibnor.conacyt.mx bowers@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 17:30:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24684; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:30:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03791; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:22:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03783; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:22:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql4Je-00000kC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 17:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gmansoor@huey.csun.edu (George Mansoor) Subject: POP Client for unix Date: 14 Sep 1994 21:46:29 GMT Message-Id: <357qvl$2nn@nic-nac.CSU.net> I was wondering if there is a version of Pine (for HP-UX) that will act as a POP client. If not Pine, are there any POP clients for HP-UX. Thanks George -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Mansoor Cal State Northridge Internet : gmansoor@csun.edu Business Affairs Systems - BMGT 818.885.4509 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 19:22:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15360; Wed, 14 Sep 94 19:22:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26997; Wed, 14 Sep 94 19:13:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26987; Wed, 14 Sep 94 19:13:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql63r-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 18:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: idler@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd Idler) Subject: PC-Pine folder-collections setup problem Date: 14 Sep 94 23:13:00 GMT Message-Id: I am having problems getting a remote folder collection off a imap server using PC-Pine. The folder-collections entry in my PINERC looks like this: folder-collections={spot.colorado.edu:143}mail/[] However, when I go to my folder list, all of my folders have the first two letters chopped off. It also lists 'mail/' as a folder. If I attempt to look at one of these folders, it says it cannot find the folder. Yet I can save to these folders. A related problem is that I cannot save fcc's to a folder on my imap server. The first time it works. After that it asks if I want to create a sentmail folder, and when I type 'Y', it says that the folder already exists. Consequently, it doesn't send the message. If anyone has any suggestions, please post or mail me. Thanks. -- Todd Idler University of Colorado, Boulder idler@spot.colorado.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 21:23:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24698; Wed, 14 Sep 94 21:23:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14557; Wed, 14 Sep 94 21:13:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14545; Wed, 14 Sep 94 21:13:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql7oR-00000kC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 20:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rick Cross Subject: Procmail and Pine3.90 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:45:16 GMT I'm running procmail 3.06 and pine 3.90 on an rs/6000 using aix3.2.5. I'm filter mail ok but I'm getting lots of lock file errors. I've read all the examples and docs and the FAQs but I can't get the errors to go away. In my .procmailrc file I use /usr/spool/mail/$xxxx as the DEFAULT so that inbox in Pine will get the mail. The alternative is $HOME/mbox which might get rid of the locking errors but Pine can't find mbox. Or mabe I don't have the lockfile set up but I though procmail just did that for you. Can anyone help? VTY, Rick Cross (rick@northstar.k12.ak.us) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 22:55:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21800; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:55:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08363; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:48:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08357; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:48:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql9MD-00000iC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis) Subject: PINE 3.90 Printer Problem with attached-to-ansi Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:26:06 GMT Message-Id: Something changed between 3.87 and 3.90 in the default printer selection (attached-to-ansi). Users used to be able to print using the 3.87 defaults through their terminal programs. Now we're receiving a lot of reports about it not working. Example: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 15:05:11 -700 (PDT) To: CTSNET Support Subject: Pine Printing I use procomm for windows 2.0 to sign into cts. Since the newest version of pine was added I have been unable to print messages by pressing Y to print. My printer setup in Pine is "Attached to Ansi". Do you have any suggestions. ------------------------------ I've run the old 3.87 binary to compare it with the default printer selection, and it had "attached-to-ansi" enabled, too. Any suggestions on getting 3.90 to work like 3.87 did? Please Cc your replies to my mailbox if possible. Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 23:16:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27849; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:16:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20597; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:08:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20591; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:08:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql9hP-00000nC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lc@oasis.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: [pc-pine] { ... ... }INBOX Message-Id: References: <353gqn$i1h@crl.crl.com> <354qh6$96k@crl3.crl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 08:31:40 GMT Bill Hogan wrote: »David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: »: Yup, the problem is probably that smtp.interramp.com is not running imapd... [...] » I have written a letter to Interramp explaining this problem and asking »if they plan to support IMAPD any time soon. Is it possible for a normal user to run the imap daemon? I have built the pine3.90 binaries on unix and am trying to use the Winsock version on my PC. I can't seem to run imapd in background because it wants input. When running in foreground, I still can't connect to port 143. As a non-root user, I seem to remember that I can't create 3 figure ports so is it possible to change the port that imapd creates? Is there another way of getting imapd to work? Liam. -- 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 Liam Crilly 8"88"""8P"48"V"8 8 "88 88 " 8 8 lc@oasis.icl.co.uk 8 "88 88 " 8 8 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 L.Crilly@herts.ac.uk 8oo8ooo8o8o8oYo8 ++ Performance Benchmarking Unit, Client-Server Systems, ICL, Bracknell. ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 23:25:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00563; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:25:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09833; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:18:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09826; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:18:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0ql9o3-00000IC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 22:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine/pico user guides Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:11:42 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: The Pine Information Center is located at http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/ A plain text version is also available in the directory ftp://ftp.cac.washingotn.edu/pine/docs/ There is currently a Users' Guide, FAQ, and Tech Notes available. More information will be coming as we get it prepared. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Richard C. Gaine wrote: > > Hello All, > I am looking for a good command reference/userguide for pine and > pico. Does anyone have, or know where In can get a good user guide for > pine and or pico? > > Rick Gaine > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 14 23:42:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05148; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:42:51 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21942; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:33:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21936; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:33:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlA8F-00000nC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@us.itd.umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: cmsg cancel <3571a3$fkq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Control: cancel <3571a3$fkq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: 14 Sep 1994 14:28:52 GMT Message-Id: <3571b4$fnp@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <35527q$9l8@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <3571a3$fkq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 05:08:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03712; Thu, 15 Sep 94 05:08:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29467; Thu, 15 Sep 94 04:59:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29455; Thu, 15 Sep 94 04:59:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlFB4-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 04:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andy Whitcroft Subject: Idea: Postponed mail interface. Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 12:08:46 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Currently, when you have postponed mail pending and you hit compose new message you get the `Continue postponed message Y/N' question. I think it would be more intuitive if pine went into the list of postponed messages directly and from that screen there was the option to create a new message. I have found that in usage I hit compose and then have to check that I haven't started to answer the message in question and then exit the selector and hit compose again. I have looked at the code and I don't think it is very hard to implement (I may yet have a crack) but I suspect then someone more into the code could make the needed changes in a couple of seconds. What do you think? Andy. Andy Whitcroft EMail: andy@cs.city.ac.uk (MIME) Systems Support, Computer Science, Tel: +44 71 477 8550, Fax: 8587 City University, London, UK. http://web.cs.city.ac.uk/finger?andy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 09:47:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07970; Thu, 15 Sep 94 09:47:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21885; Thu, 15 Sep 94 09:39:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21873; Thu, 15 Sep 94 09:39:29 -0700 Received: from euston.city.ac.uk by rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <07313-0@rye.city.ac.uk>; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 17:37:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:37:59 +0000 (GMT) From: NoRM X-Sender: sk385@euston To: Pine Info Subject: 3.91 request Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could [TAB] at the end of the INBOX (or if there are no more N messages) check for new mail BEFORE diving off into my other incoming folders ? N. .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | F1419, City University Business School, norm@city.ac.uk (MIME) | | Frobisher Crescent, London EC2Y 8HB. (+44) 71 477 8187 | ` ' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 10:15:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11402; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:15:50 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22877; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:10:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22871; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:10:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlK3t-00000pC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 09:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Re: pop and imap hang Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > As far as I can tell, I have set up everything identically (made > appropriate changes to /etc/services and /usr/etc/inetd.conf). Both > machines are SGIs (the original running IRIX 4.0.5A, the new 4.0.5F). If > there are any ideas as to why this is happening, I'd love to here them. I found the problem after being away from it for the night. Seems I didn't quite have everything identical after all as one might expect by the non-identical behavior. I had imap, pop, and pop3 listed as wait instead of nowait in /usr/etc/inetd.conf. Of course, that leaves the question of why pine was able to use imap successfully, but at this point, I suppose, it is academic. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | | Systems Administrator | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | University of Michigan University of Michigan | | College of Pharmacy Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 (313) 763-5449 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu Pager: (810) 617-8793 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 10:16:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11431; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:16:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11253; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:10:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11239; Thu, 15 Sep 94 10:10:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlJvi-00000mC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 09:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: haacm024@huey.csun.edu (Duane Smeckert) Subject: Re: ^Q - everywhere! Date: 15 Sep 1994 16:20:11 GMT Message-Id: <359s7r$1ta@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <343e40$dfj@riscsm.scripps.edu> Ian Russell Ollmann (iano@wong) wrote: > The modem program was set to do XON/XOFF. I turned it off, but the You know, of course, that the modem also has to have X-on/X-off flow control turned off. The command for a Hayes compatable modem is AT&K0. Duane Smeckert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 12:12:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17787; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:12:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14200; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:05:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14189; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:05:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlLoD-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 11:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Subject: Re: PC-Pine folder-collections setup problem In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:28:41 GMT On 14 Sep 1994, Todd Idler wrote: > I am having problems getting a remote folder collection off a > imap server using PC-Pine. The folder-collections entry in my > PINERC looks like this: > > folder-collections={spot.colorado.edu:143}mail/[] > > However, when I go to my folder list, all of my folders have the first > two letters chopped off. It also lists 'mail/' as a folder. If I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You didn't tell what system the IMAP-server is on but it must be a Solaris 2.3 system (and according to DNS a big one ;-). Marc Crispin once wrote the following about IMAPD and Solaris. His hints should solve your problem. Regards, Xander ---- Note form Marc From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: probs reading MH folder (and can I write in MH format? (+more??)) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have determined the cause of the problem reading MH folders via imapd on Solaris. The imapd binary for Solaris which we distributed was bad. This is caused by a known problem in which a SVR4 program on Solaris can be lunk with the BSD compatibility libraries without any error being reported. The structures returned by readdir() on BSD and Solaris are very similar; the filenames are offset by two bytes. It's an environmental problem, based upon your path and evidentally the phase of the moon and the blood type of the guy doing the build. Haven't figured it out yet, although we've chased a lot of false clues. Anyone who builds Pine on Solaris from sources should be aware of this problem. You can see whether or not the build was correct by checking the results of expanding a folder collection; if the first two characters are missing, the bug has bit. Be sure to check both local and IMAP access; this time Pine was fine and imapd was broken. Corrected imapd-bin.solaris and imapd-bin.solaris.Z files are now on ftp.cac.washington.edu. All the pre-built binaries should run correctly. We apologize for the difficulty. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 12:26:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18230; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:26:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26155; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:20:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26149; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:20:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlM66-00000kC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) Subject: Re: replying to mail in digest form Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:38:22 GMT prplhaze@metronet.com (prplhaze) writes: | when mail is received in digest form there may be 15-20 articles. using | pine 3.87 how does one respond to a given article within the mail | message. when i try to reply the entire digest is quoted and i can't | figure out how to reply to the author rather than the mailing list. | is cut and paste the only option? Besides the obvious cut and paste, there is a solution if you have programs like procmail (and perhaps deliver too but I don't have experience with it). With procmail/formail, you can split the digest into individual mails before you actually read them. Sridhar. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 13:26:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20514; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:26:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15842; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:21:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15836; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:21:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlN0d-00000uC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nsushkin@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Nick Sushkin) Subject: Is it possible to disable Content-Encoding? Date: 15 Sep 1994 19:35:00 GMT Message-Id: In pine 3.90, is it possible to disable content encoding of 8-bit characters? -- Nick `'"`"` -------------[ 2*2=2*(1+1)=2*1+2*1=2+2=2+(1+1)=(2+1)+1=3+1=4 ] ` oo `"' Eto vam ne huhry-muhry < @'' -------------------------------------------------------------------- = / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 13:34:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20889; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:34:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27714; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:30:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27708; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:30:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlNAG-000010C; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sharokh@glock.ramp.com (Sharokh) Subject: mailing list Date: 15 Sep 1994 09:21:41 -0600 Message-Id: <359oq5$1u8@glock.ramp.com> Hello, I'd like to setup a mailing-list an easy way and without any hasstle. What I want is to create one list only and be able to add/delete members. Also somehow I can make it free from being mail-bombed from non-members. And I can make the headers right when any memeber recieves the list, they can reply to the mailing-list. Like errors, From, To, etc... Is there a way to do with. I am on SYSV v4.2 1 I have looked though several list server packages likes majordomo, listproc, etc. It seems like you need to have root access for some of the functions and setup. Is there a way to make this list happen? I appreciate any help and suggestions. Thank you. -sharokh sharokh@ramp.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 13:50:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21262; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:50:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16256; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:45:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16250; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:45:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlNQZ-00000kC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problems with sending address in messages Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 13:02:53 -0700 Message-Id: References: <357p9g$1is6@lamar.ColoState.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <357p9g$1is6@lamar.ColoState.EDU> Set user-domain=tlaloc.stat.colostate.edu. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 14 Sep 1994, David Scott wrote: > > I am having a problem with pine not sending the full address when I send a > message. > > When user-domain is not specified, only the name of the machine (tlaloc) is > sent. If I specify user-domain as stat.colostate.edu, only the domain is sent, > and not the machine. This obviously causes problems with reply. > > > Messages sent by ordinary unix mail do have the correct 'from' address. > > > I am using Pine 3.89. I am just using it myself on the machine I use---it has > not been set up for general access by the system administrator. > > > Please reply by email as I do not read this newsgroup. > > > David Scott > > > ----------- > scott@tlaloc.stat.colostate.edu (Preferred address) > dscott@lamar.colostate.edu (Will also work) > David J. Scott, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University, CO 80523 > -- > ----------- > scott@tlaloc.stat.colostate.edu (Preferred address) > dscott@lamar.colostate.edu (Will also work) > David J. Scott, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University, CO 80523 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 13:54:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21401; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:54:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28052; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:50:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28046; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:50:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlNSX-00000mC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 13:31 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cvconf@astro.keele.ac.uk (CV Conference LOC) Subject: Mass mailing with pine Date: 15 Sep 1994 20:10:08 GMT Message-Id: <35a9n1$c35@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> I'd like to send a message to over 400 e-mail addresses, to announce a meeting we're having. If I use pine to do this, how can I prevent 400 e-mail addresses from appearing in the message header? Much better would be the one-line name of the distribution list. Thanks, Fred Ringwald From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 14:35:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22982; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:35:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17009; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:30:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17003; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:30:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlO2j-00000qC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u32250@spock.grhosp.ab.ca (Quinn Mah) Subject: Low memory in PC-Pine Date: 15 Sep 1994 20:31:51 GMT Message-Id: <35aavn$jdj@finzi.ccinet.ab.ca> Every once in a while I get a message that says "Low memory in Pine" and pine eventually crashes and says Bug in Pine detected: Out of Memory. Does anyone know what the memory requirements are for PC-Pine. When look at how much conventional memory I have, it says about 530K. Any help would be appreciated. thanks, quinn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 15:28:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25415; Thu, 15 Sep 94 15:28:12 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29910; Thu, 15 Sep 94 15:10:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29904; Thu, 15 Sep 94 15:10:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlOcr-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 14:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: What are the most popular news/mail readers? Date: 15 Sep 1994 14:36:19 GMT Message-Id: <359m53$8ur@news.halcyon.com> References: <33rq46$36g@crl7.crl.com> <353510$na7@news.halcyon.com> <354t7c$ebm@vesta.unm.edu> >Nancy McGough was observed writing message <353510$na7@news.halcyon.com> in news.newusers.questions: >>Now that Pine 3.90 can post as well as read news I bet a lot of people >>(mainly newusers) will start using Pine as a newsreader. quirk@unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes: >And thus exacerbating the confusion that already exists between >'posting' and 'replying via email'. :-P Actually I think that Pine 3.90 will help to alleviate this confusion. Rather than needing to know the difference between "reply" and "followup" the user will just type r for "reply" and then be prompted with: Post follow-up message to news group(s)? If the user answers y the response is prepared with a filled in Newsgroups header and if the answer is n the response is prepared with a filled in To header. In both cases the user can edit the headers so that the reply is both posted and mailed. >"If the only tool you have is a hammer, all of your problems start >looking like nails." But having one tool for mail and news makes a lot of sense, especially for new users. Why should they need to learn two user interfaces and two sets commands for reading essentially the same things - folders of messages. Mail is just private folders and news is public folders. I know there are differences in the way you read public vs. private folders, e.g. you want auto "deleting" to happen a lot in your public folders, but I'm sure these can be solved and Pine is the first tool that's well on its way to solving this. I have taught many people how to use many newsreaders and yesterday I spent about an hour teaching my dad how to use Pine to read news. He picked it up immediately because of his experience using Pine for mail and he even has become enthusiastic about newsgroups because he stumbled upon the Social Security Number FAQ which contained information he needed for his work. He forgot to ask me for all my NN handouts which he had eagerly reminded me to bring to our meeting (we had had a few NN training sessions before). Nancy (who's still a power NN user but advocating Pine 3.90 for newusers) -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 16:40:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28423; Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:40:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01964; Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:33:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rigel.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01958; Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:33:28 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qlQIy-000DTIC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:33 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 19:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: Re: Low memory in PC-Pine To: Quinn Mah Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <35aavn$jdj@finzi.ccinet.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Sep 1994, Quinn Mah wrote: > Every once in a while I get a message that says "Low memory in Pine" > and pine eventually crashes and says Bug in Pine > detected: Out of Memory. Does anyone know what the memory > requirements are for PC-Pine. When look at how much > conventional memory I have, it says about 530K. Any help > would be appreciated. Did you type mem /c to see which programs were loaded and how much memory they took up? After that type rem in front of the memory hogs in you config.sys and autoexec.bat. If you have msdos 6.2 run scandisk, defrag, and then memmaker to optimize the disk and tsr's used in ram. Dave ___ **************************************************************************** |No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads!| **************************************************************************** | Dave M. Harvey PGP 2.61 Public Key available. | | PO Box 151311 Finger warrior@infinet.com.us | | Columbus, OH 43215-8311 dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 17:33:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01082; Thu, 15 Sep 94 17:33:47 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21071; Thu, 15 Sep 94 17:26:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21065; Thu, 15 Sep 94 17:26:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlQlW-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 17:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dex@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dexter K. Chow) Subject: Re: pine user-domain setting Date: 15 Sep 1994 23:57:00 GMT Message-Id: <35an0c$7m5@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <34cq9a$pkq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Apologies to Terry Gray, who will get this twice (switching between news readers + long day :) The following is my problem (maybe unrelated to the included problem), anyone think of something I'm doing wrong? Just to add some (hopefully useful) info about this user-domain problem. This is using the Sun pre-compiled binary. In my system there is a general mail server machine (as an example, mail.company.com). Mail sent within company should always be sent to this address, so I have set user-domain=mail.company.com. This works fine for mail Composed, it will automatically add the domain name eg. smith@mail.company.com. However, if mail is sent from someone at another server (ie. anyone not using pine but with a company.com extension) and the message is Replied to, it persists in using the other server name, which bounces the mail. As an example, I receive mail from joe@server.company.com and hit "r" to reply. In the To: field it puts joe@server.company.com when what I need is joe@mail.company.com. This is regardless of the value of use-only-domain-name. Note that this worked perfectly in Pine 3.87! Pine 3.90 is otherwise wonderful, but we may have to stay with 3.87 until this is fixed (retyping the names works, but is impractical to remember to do every time - we have lots of mail). If you need further info, feel free to mail me (dex@uclink.berkeley.edu or dexter@geoworks.com). Thanks! Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Even though I can't reproduce it on our system, it sounds like you guys : have found a bug in 3.90... It should not be necessary to set : "use-only-domain-name" if you have already set "user-domain". : We'll look into it further... : -teg : On 4 Sep 1994, Ashok Aiyar wrote: : > In a previous article, boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) says: : > : > >I am running a DEC 3000-600 with OSF/1 v. 2.0. I have installed PINE : > >3.90 and really like it. However, I ran into an interesting situation in : > >using the user-domain setting in the .pinerc or pine.conf files. When I : > >set the user-domain to my full address coopext.cahe.wsu.edu, in either : > >file, pine would strip off the hostname when I sent to a local id on the : > >system. For example, if I sent it to me, : > > : > >TO: boyerj : > > : > >it would add the address : > > : > >boyerj@cahe.wsu.edu : > > : > >When user-domain was not set in both the .pinerc and pine.conf files the : > >correct address would appear : > > : > >boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu : > > : > >Am I reading the purpose of user-domain wrong? I thought it would use : > >the user-domain on local addresses? : > : > I also noticed the same problem (as I am sure several others have). The : > trick is to set "use-only-domain-name" to be "Yes", and then set : > "user-domain" to be "hostname-domain" (eg. coopext.cahe.wsu.edu). : > : > This seems to work for me. : > : > Later, : > Ashok : > -- : > Ashok Aiyar tel: (216) 368-3300 : > Department of Biochemistry fax: (216) 368-4544 : > CWRU School of Medicine ashok@mirage.bioc.cwru.edu : > -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 19:53:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04439; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:53:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05494; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:42:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05488; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:42:52 -0700 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:42:50 CDT Received: by quads.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA15582; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:42:31 CDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:42:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Joseph Brown To: Pine Information System Subject: What files do I need? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To the gods of information: I need information from you. I am on a system that requires that I use less than 10 megs of disk space. The problem with my area is my Pine3.90 space. I need to know what files can I cut in order to come in under the limit. Please let me know. "Fides Quaerens Intellectum" Michael Joseph Brown (mjb8@midway.uchicago.edu) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 20:10:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04867; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:10:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05721; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:56:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05715; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:56:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlT6P-00000nC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 19:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bashley@eis.calstate.edu (Bev Ashley) Subject: Re: Low memory in PC-Pine Date: 15 Sep 1994 19:16:30 -0700 Message-Id: <35av5u$lku@eis.calstate.edu> References: warrior@infinet.com ("David M. Harvey I") writes: > On 15 Sep 1994, Quinn Mah wrote: > > conventional memory I have, it says about 530K. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > Did you type mem /c to see which programs were loaded and how much memory > they took up? After that type rem in front of the memory hogs in you > config.sys and autoexec.bat. If you have msdos 6.2 run scandisk, defrag, > and then memmaker to optimize the disk and tsr's used in ram. However, 6.2 memmaker can do strange stuff if you're connected into a Novell network. It worked once for me, but never again. It gave some good hints about optimizing memory by hand, though. But to be sure, save clean copies of your config.sys and autoexec.bat in case it won't put you back where you started from. Good luck, %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% bev Why yes, as a matter of fact, bashley@ctp.org everyone IS laughing at you. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 20:42:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05563; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:42:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06201; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:25:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from [198.211.200.200] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06195; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:25:02 -0700 Received: from promethium.geoworks.com.geoworks by geoworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16303; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:23:55 PDT Received: by promethium.geoworks.com.geoworks (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00306; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:23:54 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 20:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dexter K. Chow" To: Terry Gray Cc: "Dexter K. Chow" , Pine Buggy , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine user-domain setting In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, after further investigation, I somewhat figured out what the problem is. Incoming messages without any @blah.company.com following the name (like internal mail from non-pine users which are just "smith" without other info) causes pine 3.90 to append @[current hostname].company.com to the From: line, and consequently the reply To: line. The older 3.87 version of pine appended @userdomain.company.com to the address (this was the .pinerc set userdomain, without a userdomain set it appends just company.com). I'll check with my sysadmin to see if anything can be done, but is there anything that can be done with setting something different in the .pinerc or something? Do you know why this would have changed? Thank you very much for your help, in particular your rapid response. -dexter On Thu, 15 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Sep 1994, Dexter K. Chow wrote: > > > Just to add some (hopefully useful) info about this user-domain problem > > (although I'm not sure this is the same problem referenced below). This is > > using the Sun pre-compiled binary. In my system there is a general mail > > server machine (as an example, mail.company.com). Mail sent within company > > should always be sent to this address, so I have set > > user-domain=mail.company.com. This works fine for mail Composed, it will > > automatically add the domain name eg. smith@mail.company.com. However, if > > mail is sent from someone at another server (ie. anyone not using pine but > > with a company.com extension) and the message is Replied to, it persists in > > using the other server name, which bounces the mail. As an example, I > > receive mail from joe@server.company.com and hit "r" to reply. In the To: > > field it puts joe@server.company.com when what I need is > > joe@mail.company.com. This is regardless of the value of > > use-only-domain-name. > > > > Note that this worked perfectly in Pine 3.87! > > Wow... This sure sounds like something that couldn't possibly have > worked in either 3.87 or 3.90! :) Unless there was a bug we didn't know > about in 3.87 :) :) > > If any mailer is sending messages that contain a From: address that you > cannot reply to, this is a major configuration bug in the software that > is sending such messages! > > If Pine receives a message that has a From: address that is > syntactically correct (e.g. joe@server.company.com ) it has never > ever attempted to modify that address when doing a Reply... > > So what might be going on? Well, if the incoming message didn't have a > full "user@domain" address, then Pine might try to guess... but this is > an error condition. It can be subtle, though, since mailers that rely on > sendmail to add the @domain may result in messages that have incomplete > addresses that Pine attempts to fill in, whereas messages generated by > Pine should always have a complete From: address. > > Thanks! > > -teg > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 21:06:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06088; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:06:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23981; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:41:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23975; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:41:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlTqt-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 20:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "George A. Theall" Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered > >salute to shutdown the window. > pc-pine reads mail with imap, but sends with smtp. Maybe there is a > problem with the smtp server you are tring to use. Hmm, I am able to use the same smtp gateway with other packages. I have also tried other smtp servers with no success. > Also, wpine never puts up an hourglass cursor My mistake. It simply does not send the mail and does not return a prompt. Further, I'm prevented from switching to another task until I use to cancel out of PC-Pine. George From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 21:57:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07434; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:57:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07427; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:44:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07421; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:44:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlUl0-00000kC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Pico function request: current position Date: 16 Sep 1994 04:06:18 GMT Message-Id: <35b5jq$dc7@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi! Is that possible to add one more information, the current position of cursor, in control-c? So far we have line x of y, character xx of yy. If we can know the current position of the cursor, that will be great for fortran programmer who uses pico to write their program. BTW, what is the character xx of yy is important? Thanks!! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 15 21:57:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07457; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:57:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24764; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:44:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24758; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:44:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlUlk-00000LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:19 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hkuo@violet.berkeley.edu (Henry Kuo) Subject: Pico function request: using ispell for regular spelling check Date: 16 Sep 1994 04:09:48 GMT Message-Id: <35b5qc$dc7@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi! Is that possible to use ispell in the pico for spelling check? Or can pico carry the suggestion for misspelling word function? Thanks!! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 01:15:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11937; Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:15:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10357; Fri, 16 Sep 94 00:59:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10351; Fri, 16 Sep 94 00:59:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlXmT-00001LC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 00:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: redhead@pine.liii.com (Reid Fishler) Subject: Number of Lines on screen? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 07:22:29 GMT Hi, one of my users asked me this question, and I don't know the answer...do any of you? Reid Fishler Long Island Information, Inc. redhead@liii.com Is there a way to increase the number of lines per screen by 2 on Pine 3.90? What is happening is that on each subsequent screen of a message, the top two lines are identical to the bottom two of the prior screen. Consequently, reading rapidly I'm constantly rereading the same lines. No, I can't just begin reading on the third line. First of all it's not something you can get used to doing, and if there's an empty line, it's no longer the top two lines and it ends up very confusing. I would really like to change the layout. Thanks, Boichik From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 01:35:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12520; Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:35:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27923; Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:20:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27917; Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:20:28 -0700 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:19:57 +0200 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA03654; Fri, 16 Sep 94 10:19:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:19:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: Reid Fishler Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Number of Lines on screen? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reid, you can set the overlap in the appropriate pine3.90/pine/osdep/os-xxx.h file and recompile /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- In scrolling through text, the number of lines from the previous screen to overlap when showing the next screen. Usually set to two. ----*/ #define OVERLAP (2) Yours ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, Reid Fishler wrote: > Hi, one of my users asked me this question, and I don't know the > answer...do any of you? > Reid Fishler > Long Island Information, Inc. > redhead@liii.com > > > Is there a way to increase the number of lines per screen by 2 on Pine > 3.90? What is happening is that on each subsequent screen of a message, > the top two lines are identical to the bottom two of the prior screen. > Consequently, reading rapidly I'm constantly rereading the same lines. > No, I can't just begin reading on the third line. First of all it's not > something you can get used to doing, and if there's an empty line, it's > no longer the top two lines and it ends up very confusing. I would really > like to change the layout. > > Thanks, Boichik > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 04:47:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17144; Fri, 16 Sep 94 04:47:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00701; Fri, 16 Sep 94 04:33:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00694; Fri, 16 Sep 94 04:33:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlbAA-000023C; Fri, 16 Sep 94 04:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Signature and Finger FAQ Date: 16 Sep 1994 09:13:44 GMT Message-Id: <35bnk8$8o6@news.halcyon.com> Archive-name: signature_finger_faq THE SIGNATURE AND FINGER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS =================================================== Your signature and finger files are two ways you can tell people more about yourself. This article describes how to set these up on Unix systems. The following subjects are covered: 0.00 Reading Digests 1.00 Automatic Signature - General Instructions 1.11 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Pine 3.90 1.12 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Pine 3.89 and Below 1.13 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Elm 1.14 Semi-Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Mail 1.15 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Emacs Mail Mode 1.16 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for MH and Emacs MH-E 1.21 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for TIN 1.22 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for NN 1.23 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for GNUS 1.99 Troubleshooting Signature Problems 2.00 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn 2.01 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project 2.02 Finding Out Who Fingers You 3.00 Contributing to this FAQ 3.01 Thanks Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.00 Reading Digests This article is in digest format so you may be able to use your newsreader or mailer to easily skip to a subject you're interested in. * In nn you can type G% to have each subject presented on a submenu. * In trn (and its relatives like rn) you can type ^g (CTRL key and g key pressed simultaneously) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). Please mail me similar commands for other newsreaders and mailers so that I can include them here. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.00 Automatic Signature - General Instructions Q: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my news articles and mail messages? A: The answer depends on your newsreader and mailer but the following procedure works for many Unix newsreaders and mailers. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. pico .signature Use the pico editor to create a .signature file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) Note that most systems require your sig to be <= 4 lines. And it's good netiquette to make it as short as possible. chmod 644 .signature Make .signature readable by all. ls -l .signature Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. Next if you use Pine, Elm, Mail, Emacs Mail Mode, MH, TIN, NN, or GNUS read the additional instructions described below. After you've set everything up use your mailer to mail a test message to yourself, and your newsreader and/or news poster (such as nnpost or Pnews) to post an article to a test newsgroup (use a local newsgroup and local distribution to save bandwidth). Note that many newsreaders and mailers add a line that contains ``-- '' to the top of your sig. This is used by programs that automatically deal with mail or news to identify the start of the signature. If you have problems with your sig see section 1.99 on Troubleshooting below. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:11 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.11 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Pine 3.90 The default for Pine 3.90 is to use ~/.signature for your signature and to have signature-at-bottom set, so following the general instructions in 1.00 should be enough. If you want to change either of these you can use the setup menu by doing the following. 1. From the Main Menu type s for Setup 2. Type c for Configuration 3. To change the name of your signature file: a) Arrow down to the signature-file line b) Type c for Change Value c) Type the path and name of the file you want to use for your signature. Note that ~ means your $HOME directory. 4. To change the value of the signature-at-bottom feature: a) Space bar and arrow down to the signature-at-bottom variable b) Type x to set/unset this variable. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:12 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.12 Automatic Signature-Specific Instructions for Pine 3.89 and Below In addition to the general signature instructions in 1.00 above, users of Pine 3.89 usually want to edit their ~/.pinerc file so that it contains the following: feature-list=signature-at-bottom If you want more than one feature in your feature-list then they should be comma separated like this: feature-list=old-growth, signature-at-bottom Note that Pine's default is to use ~/.signature for your signature so you only need to edit the following line if you are using a different file. signature-file= Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:13 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.13 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Elm In addition to the general signature instructions in 1.00 above, users of Elm should edit their ~/.elm/elmrc file so that it contains the following: signature = ~/.signature sigdashes = ON Remember to delete any # characters before any any variables you want to set. The defaults are indicated in comment lines starting with ###. Note that if you want to have a different signature for local mail (i.e., addresses that don't contain a ! or @) then you can use the localsignature and remotesignature variables instead of the signature variable (which specifies one sig for all mail). Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:14 GMT X-Original-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 10:34:11 PST From: Jym Dyer Subject: 1.14 Semi-Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Mail =o= Regular Unix "Mail" and "mail" don't have an automatic signature mechanism. Many people who normally use a more deluxe mail utility occasionally find themselves resorting to using one of these, in which case all you need to know is this command: ~r $HOME/.signature This simply tells Mail to include the text of the your signature file. =o= If you use Mail on a regular basis you may want to use the semi-automatic signature feature. When you're done typing your message, you append a signature with this command: ~a =o= In order for this to work, though, you need to set the "sign" mail variable. There are two ways to implement this variable. The first is to set it in a $HOME/.mailrc file with a command like this: set sign="Jym Dyer " If your signature is more than one line long, you can use the C language string syntax, as in these examples: set sign="Jym Dyer\n" -or- set sign="Jym Dyer\ \n" =o= The disadvantage of doing this in your .mailrc file is that you now have to maintain the text of your signature in two places. Another approach that avoids this problem is to set "sign" as an environment variable in your shell startup script. For a Bourne-compatible shell, this is done with this command: sign="`cat $HOME/.signature`" export sign For a C-shell, do this: setenv sign "`cat $HOME/.signature`" Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:15 GMT X-Original-Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 11:03:56 PST From: Jym Dyer Subject: 1.15 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for Emacs Mail Mode =o= Emacs Mail Mode is usually invoked with the "mail" or "mail-other-window" commands (bound, respectively, to the "C-x m" and "C-x 4 m" keys by default). It is also invoked from various Emacs mail and news packages. =o= Mail Mode provides a "mail-signature" command to append the contents of your signature file to the end of your mail message. This command is bound to "C-c C-w" by default, so to insert the signature before mailing, simply type "C-c "C-w". =o= If you'd prefer to have your signature automatically appended to the end of your mail message, the "mail-signature" command can be put into your "mail-setup-hook" variable in your $HOME/.emacs file, as in this example: (setq mail-setup-hook (function (lambda () (mail-signature) ))) This will put the signature in your mail message buffer. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:16 GMT X-Original-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 15:00:58 PDT From: Jym Dyer Subject: 1.16 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for MH and Emacs MH-E =o= MH doesn't have an automatic signature mechanism, but it is so configurable that there are a number of different ways to implement one. Check the periodic "MH Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) with Answers" posting for details. =o= CAVEAT: If you use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to your signature file, MH will use it not as a signature, but as your "fullname". Even worse, if your version of MH was built with the "UCI" option and you *don't* use the environment variable SIGNATURE to point to another file, MH will use the $HOME/.signature file for this purpose! To see if your version of MH has this behavior, enter this command: % send -help And look for the string "[UCI]" in the output. =o= There's an Emacs interface to MH, called MH-E. It has its own signature mechanism, which is invoked with the "mh-insert- signature" command (bound to the "C-c C-s" keys by default). =o= This will insert the file $HOME/.signature file by default. If your signature file has another name (e.g., to avoid its being used by an MH build with the "UCI" option), you can set the "mh-signature-file-name" variable to refer to a different file. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:21 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.21 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for TIN The default for TIN is to use your ~/.signature for mail and news (if ~/.signature exists), so following the general instructions in 1.00 should be enough. You can set TIN up to use different signatures for different newsgroups. See the TIN man pages for more information. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:22 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.22 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for NN In addition to the general signature instructions in 1.00 above, users of NN should edit their $HOME/.nn/init file so that it contains the following: set query-signature off set append-signature-mail on set append-signature-post off Note that the reason that you need to ``set append-signature-post off'' is that the news transport (such as inews) automatically appends a .signature if it exists. If you ``set append-signature-post on'' then both nn and inews append your sig and you'll send out two identical sigs every time. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:23 GMT X-Original-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 15:46 PST From: Mike Northam Subject: 1.23 Automatic Signature - Specific Instructions for GNUS In addition to the general signature instructions in 1.00 above, users of GNUS should verify that the value of the variable gnus-signature-file points to the right place. If you're in emacs, you can do so by evaluating the following expression: gnus-signature-file ^ put your cursor here and type C-x C-e you should see "~/.signature" in the echo area. If not, edit your $HOME/.emacs file and add the following: (setq gnus-signature-file "~/.signature")) Then load your $HOME/.emacs file or merely restart emacs and the variable should be set correctly. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:01:99 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.99 Troubleshooting Signature Problems If the procedures above don't work, read the man pages for your newsreader, news poster, or mailer and search for the string "signature". There may be a variable you need to set in order for the .signature to be appended. Type... In order to... ------- -------------- man CommandName |less Open man pages for CommandName (elm, pine, nn, tin trn, Pnews, etc.) and pipe through less. If your system doesn't have less replace it with "more". /signature Search for first occurrence of "signature". n Search for next occurrence of "signature". Repeat the search until you find the appropriate section of the manual. u Page up half a screen. (This works in less but not in more.) [spacebar] Page down a screen. (This works in both less and more.) Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.00 Changing Your Default Finger Info: chfn People around the world can find out more about you by "fingering" you. This is done by typing: finger YourLoginName@Your.Fully.Qualified.Domain.Name For example: finger nancym@halcyon.com On many Unix systems you can change some of your default information, such as your full name, by typing the following at your Unix prompt: chfn After you have used chfn check that your changes are in place by fingering yourself. If chfn is not available try "passwd -f". If neither of these are available then you will need to contact your system administrator and ask him/her to change your full name, etc. For more information see the chfn, passwd, and finger man pages. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:02:01 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.01 Adding More to Your Finger Info: .plan & .project The .project and .plan files, if they exist, are displayed when you are fingered. Setting these up is essentially the same as setting up a .signature file (described above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. pico .plan Use the pico editor to create a .plan file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .plan Make .plan readable by all. ls -l .plan Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x. The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each. ls -la Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. If you want a .project file follow the same procedure. Note that only the first line of the .project is displayed (so you might as well only make it one line!). To test your changes finger yourself by typing the following at the Unix prompt: finger YourEmailAddress To ensure that people from other systems can finger you you should ask a friend who's not on your system to finger you too. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:02:02 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.02 Finding Out Who Fingers You This is complicated - and sometimes impossible - to setup. For details see the news.answers article "Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting]", item "4.9) How do I keep track of people who are fingering me?" This article is archived in a number of places including these two sites: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/part4
  • Unix - Frequently Asked Questions (4/7) [Frequent posting] - How do I keep track of people who are fingering me? One easy thing that you can do to see if anyone has fingered you is type the following at your Unix prompt: ls -lu ~/.plan This tells you the last time someone accessed your .plan, but it doesn't tell you who it was. I have this in my .login because it's fun to see when the last time someone was checking on me! Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.00 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, additions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please mail them to me (nancym@ii.com). I'm especially interested in signature instructions for specific mailers and newsreaders. Date: 16 Sep 1994 00:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.01 Thanks Thanks to these people who sent me suggestions for improving this FAQ. Please let me know if I've forgotten you. Stephen Cristol Jym Dyer David L Miller Mike Northam Christopher Rao Sid Weinstein -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 08:55:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23281; Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:55:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16594; Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:34:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@SIVM.SI.EDU:stoneji@scan.si.edu> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16588; Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:34:37 -0700 Received: from scan.si.edu by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:33:32 EDT Received: by scan.si.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA05835; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:29:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 11:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Stone To: Bev Ashley Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Low memory in PC-Pine In-Reply-To: <35av5u$lku@eis.calstate.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is really off the subject of PINE, but... On 15 Sep 1994, Bev Ashley wrote: > However, 6.2 memmaker can do strange stuff if you're connected into a > Novell network. It worked once for me, but never again. It gave some > good hints about optimizing memory by hand, though. But to be sure, save > clean copies of your config.sys and autoexec.bat in case it won't put you > back where you started from. Good luck, Memmaker itself shouldn't cause any problems with Novell (or other networks) as long as you're careful to tell EMM386.EXE to exclude the memory used by your network card. The EMM386.EXE line in my CONFIG.SYS file looks approximately like this: DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS HIGHSCAN x=b000-b3ff i=b4ff-b7ff WIN=CD00-CFFF WIN=CA00-CCFF The "x=b000-b3ff" parameter tells the memory manager not to try to load programs into high memory at that location. Before running memmaker, add the x= parameter to the EMM386.EXE line in your CONFIG.SYS file. If there is no EMM386.EXE line, add it: DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE X=xxxx-xxxx where "xxxx-xxxx" is the memory used by the network card. It will probably NOT be "b000-b3ff". You may need to do some hunting to find out what it should be, unfortunately. When you run memmaker, choose custom setup, and specify that memmaker should use all currently defined exclusions. If you use Windows, you should also add the following line to the [386Enh] section of SYSTEM.INI: EMMExclude=xxxx-xxxx where "xxxx-xxxx" is the same as in the CONFIG.SYS file. jim -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- "as long as the music's loud enough, ::::: Jim Stone we won't hear the world falling apart." ::::: Smithsonian Institution -derek jarman, "jubilee" ::::: stoneji@scan.si.edu -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 10:31:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28411; Fri, 16 Sep 94 10:31:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06652; Fri, 16 Sep 94 10:11:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05851; Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:41:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05845; Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:41:34 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22381; Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:41:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 sep 94 09:41:16 -0700 From: Pine Development Team Message-Id: <9408241626.AA29044@shiva2.cac.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="==========" Subject: Pine Frequently Asked Questions Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-announce@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: --========== Content-Description: Contents Subject: Contents PINE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS The following questions have been compiled from questions asked on the pine-info and pine-bugs mailing lists. General * What is Pine? * What is MIME? * What is IMAP? * How can I get a copy of Pine? * Is there a manual? * What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? * What are all these funny names in your examples? * How many sites use Pine? Errors and Problems * I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? * If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. * "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" * What is folder locking and how does it work? * What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox simultaneously? * Why did I get the message "locked, override in XXX sec"? * Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Usage * How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? * How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? * How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? * How do I read News with Pine? * Can I post news with Pine? * How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? * How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? * Can I define a Reply-To: header? * Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? * xbiff lets me know about new mail, but pine doesn't know about it. * How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Installation and Configuration * Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? * Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? * What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? * Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? * Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? * How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? * How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Platform Specific * To what platforms has Pine been ported? * Pine 3.89 on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.3 crashes every time I try to open a folder. * What PC comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Mac comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? * What Amiga comm software works with the "Print to ANSI" print option? Conversions * How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? * How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? * How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? * How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Development Info * What are the current versions of Pine and related software? * What is new in this version of Pine? * When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? * What new features will the next release of Pine include? --========== Content-Description: General Questions About Pine Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: General Questions About Pine GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PINE ------------ Content-Description: What is Pine? Subject: What is Pine? Pine(tm) --a Program for Internet News & Email-- is a tool for reading, sending, and managing electronic messages. It was designed specifically with novice computer users in mind, but can be tailored to accommodate the needs of "power users" as well. Pine uses Internet message protocols (e.g. RFC-822, SMTP, MIME, IMAP, NNTP) and runs on Unix and PCs. The guiding principles for Pine's user-interface were: careful limitation of features, one-character mnemonic commands, always-present command menus, immediate user feedback, and high tolerance for user mistakes. It is intended that Pine can be learned by exploration rather than reading manuals. It has the ability to perform full screen editing of messages, attachments (such as Word or Excel files), and other advanced message system features. Pine uses IMAP for accessing message folders on remote computers and MIME for sending multimedia or other binary files as attachments to normal messages. ------------ Content-Description: What is MIME? Subject: What is MIME? MIME (RFC 1521) stands for "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions". It is an Internet standard which allows transfer of binary files (word-processing documents, spreadsheets, images, sounds, etc) between any compliant mailers. You can get technical information about MIME from the RFC. Ongoing discussion on MIME takes place in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime. There is also a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list that is posted regularly to comp.mail.mime and comp.answers. ------------ Content-Description: What is IMAP? Subject: What is IMAP? IMAP stands for "Internet Message Access Protocol". An IMAP client program on any platform at any location on the Internet can access email folders on an IMAP server. While the messages appear to be local, they reside on the server until the client explicitly moves or deletes them. The IMAP protocol is a functional (but incompatible) superset of POP. A principal advantage of IMAP over POP is that it permits using more than one computer to access your mail. Using multiple computers with POP typically results in your mail ending up scattered across all of those computers. Another key advantage is IMAP's ability to selectively access parts of messages, e.g. you don't have to wait for a 2MB audio attachment to be retrieved until you specifically ask for it. This is a big win over low-speed (e.g. dialup) connections. For a detailed comparison of IMAP and POP, see the paper "Comparing Two Approaches to Remote Mailbox Access: IMAP vs. POP." IMAP is what allows Pine (or any other IMAP client) to access email on a remote mail server, usually one that is shared (central or departmental). There is an IETF working group currently defining the IMAP4 revision to the IMAP2 specification (RFC-1176). A copy of the latest IMAP draft may be obtained from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the file imap/latest-imap-draft ------------ Content-Description: How can I get a copy of Pine? Subject: How can I get a copy of Pine? Pine is available via anonymous ftp from the pine directory of ftp.cac.washington.edu. See the Installation Instructions for Pine for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Is there a manual? Subject: Is there a manual? The Pine program itself includes extensive online help. Additional documentation may be found via anonymous FTP or via World-Wide-Web using the following URLs: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine The Pine program itself also includes extensive online help. Other forms of access are planned for the future. ------------ Content-Description: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? Subject: What mailing lists and newsgroups are there dealing with Pine? The "comp.mail.pine" newsgroup is devoted to Pine. It is bi-directionally gatewayed to the "pine-info" mailing list described below. The following mailing lists deal with Pine and related topics: Pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Pine-Info is a mailing list for the email program Pine. The mailing list includes discussion of Pine features, bugs, tricks, etc. Often technical and installation questions appear on the list. New releases, fixes and version of Pine are announced on the pine-info mailing list. For official announcements only, you may wish to see pine-announce instead of this list. To subscribe to pine-info, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Pine-Announce@cac.washington.edu Pine-Announce is a announcement list for the email program Pine. When new Pine products are released and old ones updated, a message goes out to this group describing the development. It is a very low volume list and includes no discussion whatsoever. _All messages to this list are automatically forwarded to pine-info, so it is not necessary to subscribe to both lists._ To subscribe to pine-announce, send a message to majordomo@cac.washington.edu with subscribe pine-announce in the body of the message. Owners of this mailing list can be contacted at owner-pine-announce@cac.washington.edu. IMAP@CAC.Washington.EDU This is the official mailing list for the IETF IMAP working group and other interested parties. Discussion of the evolving IMAP standard and related issues is conducted on this list. To subscribe to IMAP, send a message to imap-request@cac.washington.edu. C-Client@CAC.Washington.EDU This list is for discussion of the C-Client library which is used by Pine and various other mail and IMAP clients and servers. ------------ Content-Description: What are all these funny names in your examples? Subject: What are all these funny names in your examples? In an attempt to avoid confusion with real places or services we decided to make up a ficticious user for our examples. This person is John Smith, who is currently an art major at the University of Nowhere (nowhere.edu). He previously attended Elsewhere Community College (elsewhere.edu). His username is jsmith and he uses the following machines: rembrandt.art.nowhere.edu A Unix timesharing machine. picasso.art.nowhere.edu An SMTP server. news.nowhere.edu A Usenet News server which supports both NNTP and IMAP access. davinci.art.nowhere.edu A PC-compatible workstation running MS-DOS. warhol.art.nowhere.edu An IMAP server. fozzie.elsewhere.edu An IMAP server at Elsewhere Community College. ------------ Content-Description: How many sites use Pine? Subject: How many sites use Pine? We don't have a good way to count the number of sites running Pine, but at last count over 4,000 sites in 40 countries had downloaded the Pine 3.89 distribution from ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are also several major archive sites that mirror the distribution, so the actual numbers are probably much higher. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Errors and Problems Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Errors and Problems ERRORS AND PROBLEMS ------------ Content-Description: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? Subject: I have found a bug in Pine 3.05. Could you please fix it? When a bug is identified in an old release, there is a very strong possibility that the associated code has been re-written to the point that a fix will not apply to the current release. Hence, if we can't reproduce the problem in the current version, our standard response will be to ask you to upgrade. ------------ Content-Description: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. Subject: If I postpone a Reply, there is no 'A' in the index after I resume and send it. This is a known limitation of the current release of pine. When you postpone a composition, Pine does not have any way to keep track of which message was being replied to (or that it was a reply at all). This limitation will be removed in a future release of Pine. ------------ Content-Description: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" Subject: "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" The message "Folder Format Invalidated (consult an expert), aborted" means that Pine was reading your mail folder, and at the point in which it expected a start-of-message header line, it found something else. The ``format invalidated'' condition can happen in one of three ways: 1. bad data exists at the beginning of the folder. 2. data was appended to the folder after Pine initially read it, and the new data did not begin with a start-of-message-header. 3. the folder was modified without Pine being aware of it. All three problems are generally caused by software external to Pine. Condition (1) can be determined by whether or not the problem repeats itself after restarting Pine. If restarting Pine does not make the problem go away, then you need to look at the actual file for the folder and see what is wrong with the very first line. In particular, make sure that there are no blank lines at the beginning of the file and that the first character of the folder file is a capital ``F'' , the second an ``r'', the third an ``o'', etc. In the case of an INBOX, you may want to rename the folder so that new mail can be delivered while repairs on the corrupt folder are being done. Condition (2) may be caused by a mail delivery process (e.g. /bin/mail) which writes some characters other than ``From '' at the beginning of the new data. Condition (3) is caused by another program manipulating the mail folder without following the normal folder locking protocols. This is a general problem on UNIX. Conditions (2) and (3) have also been known to occur when accessing folders via NFS, if the information returned by the stat() and read() system calls do not correspond with each other as a result of NFS attribute caching. Restarting Pine on that folder always clears conditions (2) and (3). If the problem is chronic, it may be worth an investigation to determine its cause. Usually, it is due to the misbehavior of some external software. The reason why Pine gives up with conditions (2) and (3) is that it does not want to risk damaging user data by guessing what is right. Pine never writes to the folder unless it is absolutely sure it knows what it is doing. There are some steps which can be taken to reduce the risk of these conditions coming up. Some of these steps may require the assistance of your system adminstrator (or whomever it was that built and installed Pine on your system): 1. Use IMAP instead of NFS to access remote folders. Problems with locking over NFS are perhaps the single most important cause of user difficulties. Using IMAP eliminates this class of problem. 2. Consider enabling the mbox driver in Pine. If the mbox driver is enabled, mail is transferred from the /usr/spool/mail mail into a file called mbox in your home directory, if mbox exists. The home directory mbox file is then your INBOX. This has the advantage that Pine and the mail delivery system are less often in contention for the INBOX, and never both trying to update it. Pine only empties the /usr/spool/mail file, it never tries updating it. 3. Be careful not to run other programs that modify your folders while you are running Pine. Such programs may change the folder out from under Pine, and lead Pine to conclude that there is a problem with its view of the file. ------------ Content-Description: What is folder locking and how does it work? Subject: What is folder locking and how does it work? Locks are used by Pine and other mail programs to prevent damage from occurring to the mail file when multiple programs try to write to the file at the same time. Because there are many different schemes of mail file locking used on UNIX, Pine implements all of them. The result is a lot of complexity. There are several reasons why locking needs to be done: 1. If you want to read the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process will modify the mail file while you are reading it. 2. If you want to write to the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process is accessing the mail file while you are writing it. 3. If you have the mail file open, you want to make sure that no other process can alter any of the internal contents of the mail file that you have read, but it is OK if another process appends new data to the mail file. 4. If you want to alter any of the internal contents of the mail file, you want to make sure that no other process has the mail file open. There are several mechanisms of locking: * The creation of a file which has the same name as the mail file, but with a suffix of ".lock" (for example, this lock for /usr/spool/mail/isma is named /usr/spool/mail/isma.lock). This file accomplishes locks (1) and (2) above. This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_SH on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (1), and prevents lock (2). Multiple processes can do this. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on the mail file. This accomplishes lock (2), and prevents lock (1). This is an exclusive lock. * The use of an flock() with LOCK_EX on a file on /tmp. The file name used depends upon the version of Pine. This accomplishes locks (3) and (4). This is an exclusive lock. On SVR4-based systems, the lockf() subroutine or fcntl() system call it used instead of flock(). It is rumored that this creates a kind of lock file as well, but this has not been directly verified. _NOTE: flock() on BSD systems does not work over NFS, so only the most basic .lock file locking -- locks (1) and (2) happen over NFS. On SVR4 systems, fcntl() locking attempts to work over NFS, but there are known problems in the rpc.lockd daemon which have caused hangs if an application beats on the mechanism too much (and Pine beats on it). All of the above mechanisms work reliably over IMAP connections._ _[MRC]_ ------------ Content-Description: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? Subject: What happens when two Pine sessions access the same mailbox at the same time? This varies depending on what format your folders are stored in. With the default Berkeley format, the last session to open a folder will get full access to the folder and the previous session(s) will be changed to read-only access. When a folder is read-only, you will not see any further updates to that folder until it is reopened with full access. Currently the INBOX cannot be reopened without exiting and restarting Pine. With the Tenex format, any number of sessions can simultaneously have full access to a folder, with the exception that expunging is disabled. See "What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it?" for more information. ------------ Content-Description: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? Subject: Why did I get the message "locked, override in _XXX_ sec"? The message "locked, will override in _xxx_ seconds" occurs when Pine has discovered that some other mail program claims to be accessing your mail folder (i.e. _folder_.lock exists). This is a very low-level lock used by programs such as the system mailer in delivering mail, and by certain programs such as mail, elm, babyl, mm, etc. Supposedly, this lock is only to be acquired and held for a very short period of time (less than a second). It starts with 285 seconds, retries every second, and issues that message every 15 seconds. The total period of time, 5 minutes, is the time that it will keep on trying before it concludes that the lock is false -- that is, that whatever program locked the folder forgot to unlock it (perhaps it crashed) -- and Pine will go ahead and claim the lock for itself. This is not due to a conflict between two copies of Pine, since Pine interlocks against itself in a higher-level fashion. _NOTE: On some systems with 14 character filename limits, attempting to open a folder with a 14 character name (e.g. saved-messages) will trigger this sequence. Folder names should be limited to 9 characters or less on those systems._ ------------ Content-Description: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Subject: Why is a charset=US-ASCII attachment sent using BASE64 encoding? Pine BASE64-encodes all attachments, including text, in order to assure that they are not modified in transit. The goal is make sure file attachment in Pine is as dependable as FTP (and BASE64 is safer than Quoted-Printable). A good example of why this is handy is when we recently asked some folks to attach their addressbooks to help us track down problems in 3.90, we didn't have to worry about whether a gateway had modified a tab or trailing blanks, etc, etc. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Usage Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Usage USAGE ------------ Content-Description: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Subject: How do I keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message? Put addresses and/or list from your address book in the Bcc: (blind carbon copy) header field. You will see all the names and addresses as you compose the message, but they are erased before arriving in other people's INBOXes. The Bcc: header is not displayed automatically in the default Pine configuration, so you may need to use the rich headers command (Ctrl-R) while the cursor is in the header to expose it. ------------ Content-Description: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Subject: How do I use Ispell with Pine (and Pico)? Here are a couple ways to use Ispell within Pine: 1. Set your alternate-editor to ispell, then ^_ in the composer invokes ispell. To do this set "editor=/usr/local/bin/ispell" in your .pinerc file. This may be set within Pine via the _OPTIONS_ task of the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. Now, when you press ^_ (Control-Underscore) in Pine, you will execute the ispell program in its native mode. Press ? for help. Press I to insert unknown words into the personal dictionary. You can still press Ctrl-T to use the standard pine spell-checking program (which will -not- use your personal dictionary). See 'man ispell' for more information on the ispell program. 2. Pine already checks the SPELL environment variable so you can create the following script and name it spell. #!/bin/sh ispell -l | sort | uniq To make Ctrl-T in pine use 'ispell' and your '$HOME/.ispell_words' dictionary: + make the above script file 'spell' in your home directory + make it executable: 'chmod u+x spell' + set the environment variable SPELL: 'setenv SPELL $HOME/spell' (you may include this command in your .profile, .cshrc or .login file) Now, when you press Ctrl-T in Pine, you will execute the ispell program, and it will recognize words stored in the private dictionary. The screen display will look like pine is using the standard spell-checking program. Unfortunately, this method does not allow the user to Insert words into the private dictionary. However, this might be useful with a central script file (setenv SPELL ...) and a central private dictionary (ispell -p ...) to provide a common private dictionary for an entire workgroup. The manager could add items to the private dictionary; ordinary pine users would use the private dictionary (Ctrl-T), but they could not change it. To use ispell with pico, implement the 'ispell' program via ^T (CTRL-T) (using the script file) in addition to implementing it via ^_ (CTRL-_) (using the .pinerc file). * Use Ctrl-_ in Pine (it won't work in Pico) for full-featured ispell. * Use Ctrl-T in Pico to use the ispell program and your .ispell_words dictionary (but without the full ispell functionality). You can use Ctrl-T/ispell in Pine also, but why bother when Ctrl-_ works better. _[Mike Ramey ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Subject: How can I have a signature automatically appended to my mail messages? Using your favorite text editor (e.g. Pico), create a file in your home directory called .signature containing the text you want appended to each message. For more detailed information see The Signature and Finger Frequently Asked Questions list which is posted periodically to the comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.misc newsgroups. PC-Pine users should put their signatures in the file \PINE\PINE.SIG. ------------ Content-Description: How do I read News with Pine? Subject: How do I read News with Pine? Three ways to access news via Pine: 1. Local News. If news is stored on the same machine you run Pine on, you can specify: news-collections=News *[*] 2. Via NNTP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where Pine is running. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu/nntp}[*] Alternatively, if the nntp-server variable is set, your news-collections will default to NNTP access from the same server. 3. Via IMAP. Your .newsrc file must be on the machine where news is stored. Assuming news is stored on the machine news.nowhere.edu, a typical .pinerc entry would be: news-collections=News *{news.nowhere.edu}[*] The advantage of option #3 is that the same .newsrc can be used for both Unix Pine and PC-Pine. The disadvantage is that you must have an account on the machine that stores the news and runs the NNTP server. ------------ Content-Description: Can I post news with Pine? Subject: Can I post news with Pine? Versions of Pine prior to Pine 3.90 do not support posting. In Pine 3.90 and later you can enter a list of newsgroups on the newsgrps: header to post a message. ------------ Content-Description: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Subject: How do I "paste" an address from the addressbook into the text of a message? Pine does not currently support this directly, but here is a work-around: 1. Move the cursor to the Cc: line. 2. Enter the nickname or press Ctrl-T to search the addressbook and select the entry. 3. Use Ctrl-K to delete that address from the Cc: line. 4. Move the cursor where you want it in the body of the message. 5. Press Ctrl-U to insert the address. This is kind of a round-about way to get the job done, but it works... ------------ Content-Description: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Subject: How can I filter messages into different incoming folders? Pine does not do delivery filtering. That function is done by other programs, such as "procmail", or "filter" or "deliver". Once you have set-up your delivery filtering, e.g. via the "filter" program, then you will have new mail arriving in several different mailboxes/folders, in addition to your INBOX. So then the question becomes, how do you access those new "incoming message" folders that your favorite delivery filter program has created? Pine's answer is to let you specify them in your .pinerc, as in the example: incoming-folders=Art151 {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-art151, Art-L {warhol.art.nowhere.edu}filter/to-Art-L, Old-Student-Acct {fozzie.elsewhere.edu}INBOX In this case, the pinerc entries presume that your delivery filtering program has been configured to put mail relating to the Art151 class into the folder "filter/to-art151" and mail relating to the Art-L mailing list into "filter/to-Art-L". From the Folders List screen, you can then easily access those folders. Eventually we will have a way to indicate which of these may have new mail waiting for you, so that you don't "forget" that you have more than one place to look for new mail... ------------ Content-Description: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Subject: Can I define a Reply-To: header? Yes. This is a new feature of Pine 3.90. It is handled as a "custom header" and can be added into that field via Pine's new configuration screen. ------------ Content-Description: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Subject: Can I execute Pine from a shell script so I can use my addressbook? Not currently. ------------ Content-Description: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. Subject: When I get new mail, xbiff lets me know about it, but pine doesn't know about it. There are currently two ways to force a new mail check. * At the last message in a folder, press 'N' 4-5 times. * Press `Ctrl-L' (Refresh Display). ------------ Content-Description: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? Subject: How can I read a ROT13 encoded message? When viewing the message, use the '|' (Pipe) command and give it the following: tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]' -------------- --========== Content-Description: Installation and Configuration Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Installation and Configuration INSTALLATION AND CONFIGURATION ------------ Content-Description: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Subject: Can Kerberos or AFS authentication be used with Pine? Not yet, but Kerberos support is planned for a future release of Pine. If you have access to Kerberos or AFS compatible IMAP clients already, the following information may be useful. The current version of imapd does not support AFS or Kerberos authentication. However, the routine which validates authentication is designed as a drop-in module, to allow you to replace with alternative authentication schemes such as AFS, Kerberos, S/Key, etc. This routine is server_login(). Depending upon which version of c-client you have, it is either in the os__xxx_.c (where _xxx_ is the name of your port) or it is in a file named log__yyy_.c which is included by the os_xxx.c file. The log__yyy_.c is usually log_std.c (std for "standard UNIX"), but it may be log_sv4.c (SVR4) or a couple of other variants. This file only contains that one routine, so it should be a simple matter to modify that file and rebuild imapd. ------------ Content-Description: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? Subject: Can PC-Pine be used with a POP server? No. Neither Pine nor PC-Pine currently support POP's offline mail model (wherein pending mail is pulled from the mail server to the local machine and deleted from the server). However, it is likely that this model will be supported, with a choice of either IMAP or POP as the access protocol, in a future release. ------------ Content-Description: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Subject: What is a Tenex mailbox and why should I use it? Using the Tenex format for INBOXes allows multiple sessions (or mulitple users, subject to the usual access controls) to have *almost* full Read-Write access to the INBOX. The only limitation on full RW access is that if there are multiple sessions at a given moment, no one can do an Expunge. However, message state changes (e.g. marking a msg as deleted) *can* be done, and this state is preserved across sessions. If an explicit Expunge cmd fails, it will say so and tell you that the mailbox is in use by another process. When there is only one session left using that mailbox, expunge will resume working again. In contrast: the normal Berkeley style folders can have only one RW client at a time, so _given the current software_ the latest session steals the RW lock away from any previous session, with the earlier session becoming RO. ------------ Content-Description: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does Unix Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, Unix Pine uses three configuration files: a system-wide file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, a system-wide non-overridable file /usr/local/lib/pine.fixed, and a personal configuration file ~/.pinerc. There are certain options which are only found in system wide configurations, others only found in personal configurations, and still others found in both. For settings found in both pine.conf and .pinerc, values in .pinerc take precedence over those in pine.conf, and settings in pine.conf.fixed take precedence over everything. If you need to generate a "blank" copy of the system wide configuration files, run "pine -conf > /usr/local/lib ". Pine automatically generates a .pinerc when a user starts Pine for the first time. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? Subject: Where does PC-Pine look for configuration information? In Pine 3.90, the Release Notes (Press "R" on the Main Menu) contain a section on Configuration, including default file names and environment variables. In brief, PC-Pine uses the following rules for finding config and support files: 1. The location of the PINERC is searched for in the following order of precedence: 1. File pointed to by PINERC environment variable 2. $HOME\PINE\PINERC 3. A file named PINERC in the same directory as PINE.EXE 2. The HOME environment variable, if not set, defaults to root of the current working drive. 3. The default for external files (PINE.SIG and ADDRBOOK) is the same directory as the PINERC file. 4. The support files (PINE.HLP and PINE.NDX) are searched for in the same directory as PINE.EXE. Starting with Pine 3.90, almost all personal configuration can be accomplished through the _SETUP_ command from the main menu. ------------ Content-Description: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Subject: How do I make Pine work with my older terminal? Pine does not support some older terminals (e.g. tvi925, WYSE-60) very well. Some problems can be overcome with a proper termcap entry, but others, such as handling cursor keys, do not have a good solution. ------------ Content-Description: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? Subject: How do I configure Pine to not leave mail in /usr/spool/mail? You have several options: 1. Leave inbox in /usr/spool/mail, but turn on the Pine option to prompt users to move read messages to a folder in their home directory upon exiting Pine. 2. Modify your mail delivery program to deliver mail directly into the user's home directory, and specify that inbox-path in your global pine.conf (See the "tmail" program on ftp.cac.washington.edu for an example.) 3. "touch mail.txt" in each home directory, which will cause Pine (upon startup) to pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mail.txt -- however, mail.txt will be a Tenex-format, rather than Berkeley mail format folder (faster, but non-standard). 4. Link in the "mbox" driver when you build Pine. This driver will (upon Pine startup) pull mail from /usr/spool/mail into ~/mbox, which will be a Bky-format folder. -------------- --========== Content-Description: Conversions Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Conversions CONVERSIONS ------------ Content-Description: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Subject: How can someone without a MIME-aware mail program decipher an attachment? Regarding attachments: Pine uses the MIME Internet standard for this. MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) uses "Base64" encoding rather than uuencode, because uuencode uses characters that are transformed by some email gateways, and there are also several incompatible versions of uuencode. However, you can certainly uuencode a file outside of pine, then use the Composer's Ctrl-R (file inclusion) command to insert the encoded file in the message. If you use Pine's attachment feature, your recipient does need to have MIME-capable software. Fortunately, this is not hard to find. Even the major proprietary mail vendors have committed to MIME support, but some of their upgraded products are still some months away. One product which can decipher a MIME attachment is munpack from Carnegie Mellon. It is available from ftp.andrew.cmu.edu in the /pub/mpack directory. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? Subject: How do I convert a Sun Mailtool attachment to MIME format? A perl script (and conversion to C of same) that converts OpenWindows mail to MIME. Body parts currently supported are: text, gif, Sun rasterfile (converted to image/gif), postscript, and audio. Other types default to application/octet-stream. It's easy to extend the set of types supported and to add conversions, if necessary. The script requires uuencode, uudecode, zcat (aka uncompress), and the "convert" program from ImageMagick. If you don't have ImageMagick you can probably substitute the pbm stuff with little fuss. The program is available via ftp from cs.utk.edu in pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.perl or pub/MIME/sun-to-mime.c _[Keith Moore ]_ ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Berkeley Mail aliases to Pine Addressbook? The Pine source distribution includes a shell script to do this in the contrib/utils directory. It is called brk2pine.sh. ------------ Content-Description: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Subject: How do I convert Elm aliases to Pine Addressbook? Here's a little script one of our UNIX folks worked up to handle conversion of elm aliases to pine alias form (pretty simple syntax substitution). If you execute it multiple times it will keep adding another set of your elm aliases to your pine addressbook. #!/bin/csh #!/bin/csh -vx # convert elm aliases.text to pine addressbook # Greg Gustafson # UMD Information Services # January 1993 # if -r $HOME/.elm/aliases.text then if -e $HOME/.addressbook then set n=1 while (-e $HOME/.addressbook$n) @ n++ end mv $HOME/.addressbook $HOME/.addressbook$n endif ex - $HOME/.elm/aliases.text _[Joel Ness ]_ -------------- --========== Content-Description: Development Info Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY="----------" Subject: Development Info DEVELOPMENT INFO ------------ Content-Description: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? Subject: What are the current versions of Pine and related software? The current version of Pine is 3.90. The current version of Pico is 2.4. ------------ Content-Description: What is new in this version of Pine? Subject: What is new in this version of Pine? These are the changes and improvements since Pine 3.89: * Finished all the "Not implemented yet" commands: + Bounce (Remail) + Flag (Set message status) + Pipe (Pipe msg to external cmd; Unix only) + Select,Apply,Zoom (Aggregate operations) + Setup/Config (Pinerc configuration screen) * News posting * News subscription/unsubscription * Multiple address books * Postpone multiple messages * Customizable headers for Composer * Mailcap support * Improved support for multiple incoming message folders * enable-alternate-editor-implicitly feature (except for editing headers) * All .pinerc features now settable from command line * Way to control which options are user-configurable (Unix only) * Way to have Save *not* implicitly delete * Way to use current-working-directory for Export, Read File, etc. * A _preliminary_ version of PC-Pine for Windows/Winsock (but not OS/2) ------------ Content-Description: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? Subject: When is the next release of Pine (tentatively) scheduled? We don't know right now, we just released this version. Besides, our track-record on meeting projected release schedules is terrible, so you shouldn't believe any dates we are foolish enough to suggest anyway. ------------ Content-Description: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? Subject: What new features will the future releases of Pine include? * Additional MIME support, esp. controlling file TYPING * PEM and/or PGP support * External directory services access * Kerberos support * RFC 1522 header encoding for 8bit character sets * Location independence of support files * Offline support * Hierarchy support (awaits IMAP4) * Answered flag not set if Reply is postponed (awaits IMAP4) * Faster detection of folders with Recent messages (awaits IMAP4) * Faster fetching of headers (awaits IMAP4) * Determination of which flags are permanent (awaits IMAP4) -------------- --==========-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 11:41:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01967; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:41:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20707; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:33:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20697; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:33:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlhnF-00000jC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: PC-Pine 3.90 and Netware VLM problem solved Date: 16 Sep 1994 17:52:39 GMT Message-Id: <35cm17$7fc@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I've tracked down the problem with Netware that I've mentioned here before. On the machines that I was doing testing on, we are using a different printing service than what is provided with Netware. So the PRINT.VLM file was removed from the loadset. It's been that way for months. Then yesterday, while digging through some documentation to solve a different problem I found a few configuration options to tell Netware not to load the print module, even if it was on disk. Put the PRINT.VLM file back and set the appropriate option in NET.CFG and restarted. Received the same start up screens telling me that netware printing services were not available, etc. After that, when I tried PC-Pine 3.90, it no longer broke the netware mappings. So it appears to be that this particular version of PC-Pine was the only program to pick up on a Netware glitch. -- =============================================================================== Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 11:44:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02207; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:44:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20719; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:33:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20713; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:33:51 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa06831; 16 Sep 94 14:33 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA16931; Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:33:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Explicit setting of Content-Type: in Pine: **WARNING** In-Reply-To: <13794.779681937@moose.cs.indiana.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There seem to be some other problems with putting Content-Type: into customized-hdrs that my initial tests didn't catch. I recently got this reply from a correspondent: > May I ask why your messages are showing up with the following headers: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;TEXT/PLAIN;TEXT/PLAIN;TEXT/PLAIN; > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > The first one is really weird, and confusing the heck out of any > attempt to display the message. I would suspect the mailing list > software is messing something up, but nobody else's messages look > broken... > I *did* test that NOT explicitly setting Content-Type: in the Rich Header view caused a normal message ( with only one "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII" header. ) I believe the multiple "TEXT/PLAIN;" in the Pine generated header is a side effect of postponing and resuming a message. ( and the more times you do it, the more times it gets appended to the header. ) More on this after I've had a chance to run some definitive tests, but I wanted to warn anyone who tries it that there are still some problems. ( This is a different problem from the one previously reported, but if I'm correct that the problem is with Postpone, they may be related. ) Neither Pine3.90 and elm+metamail have trouble displaying the message and neither complain about the header, so it won't be noticable unless you turn on full header display, or unless you get a complaint from someone who has trouble reading it. - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 12:31:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04327; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:31:46 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09597; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:16:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eis.CalState.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09591; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:16:47 -0700 From: bashley@eis.calstate.edu Received: by eis.calstate.edu (4.1/KNMods2.1) id AA25621; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:13:59 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Low memory in PC-Pine To: Jim Stone Cc: Bev Ashley , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, I know. Mine says the proper things. As I said, the first time it worked fine. The next time it just kept going around in circles, telling me to re-boot, etc., but never arriving at a conclusion! I finally got tired after 6 or 7 trips through the maze and said to hell with it. I've since tried switching ethernet cards for another problem -- the board may have just been loose -- so maybe I'll give it another shot just to see if it can be *better*! Thanks anyway, at least I don't have to worry about Windows crap! |:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| |:| bev Patience, hell. I need |:| |:| bashley@ctp.org to kill something NOW. |:| |:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 12:32:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04384; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09721; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:24:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@SIVM.SI.EDU:stoneji@scan.si.edu> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09712; Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:24:08 -0700 Received: from scan.si.edu by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:23:03 EDT Received: by scan.si.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA08336; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:18:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 15:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Stone To: bashley@eis.calstate.edu Cc: Bev Ashley , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Low memory in PC-Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Sep 1994 bashley@eis.calstate.edu wrote: > Yeah, I know. Mine says the proper things. As I said, the first time it > worked fine. The next time it just kept going around in circles, telling > me to re-boot, etc., but never arriving at a conclusion! I finally got > tired after 6 or 7 trips through the maze and said to hell with it. > I've since tried switching ethernet cards for another problem -- the > board may have just been loose -- so maybe I'll give it another shot > just to see if it can be *better*! Thanks anyway, at least I don't have to > worry about Windows crap! There is a little problem with memmaker in the latest DOS that might be causing that problem (now that I think of it). Does your AUTOEXEC.BAT file include the full sequence for loggin onto the server? I found that if AUTOEXEC.BAT includes: lsl smcplus ipxodi next f: login memmaker will have big problems, similar to what you described. But taking out those last two lines will take care of it. As for "Windows crap", well, some of us have gotten Windows to work quite nicely, thank you very much. ;-) jim -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- "as long as the music's loud enough, ::::: Jim Stone we won't hear the world falling apart." ::::: Smithsonian Institution -derek jarman, "jubilee" ::::: stoneji@scan.si.edu -------------------------------------------:::::--------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 14:29:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09700; Fri, 16 Sep 94 14:29:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12325; Fri, 16 Sep 94 14:20:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12319; Fri, 16 Sep 94 14:20:29 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13876; Fri, 16 Sep 94 14:20:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Explicit setting of Content-Type: in Pine: **WARNING** In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > There seem to be some other problems with putting Content-Type: > into customized-hdrs that my initial tests didn't catch. Steve, I want to caution that in trying to override MIME headers, you are working way out on the edge, with no net... We never intended the custom header mechanism to be the right way to handle this problem, and make no promises about whether that approach will work in future releases. As you've heard me say before: we know we have a ways to go in this area. And as interesting as your experiments are, I just want to make sure that no one else gets inadvertently led down the garden path... Once the dust settles on 3.9x, I'd like to have another conversation about what MIME typing facilities you need to accomplish your objectives. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 15:30:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11929; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:30:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13684; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:23:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13678; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:23:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qllPD-00000IC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: del@inetgw.fsc.ibm.com (Donnie Lewis) Subject: Location of Pine source code Date: 16 Sep 1994 21:34:44 GMT Message-Id: <35d31k$m8n@eagle.bet.ibm.com> Where is the location of the source code for Pine (the latest version of course)? thanks Donnie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 17:11:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16404; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:11:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27964; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:04:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27921; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:04:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlmxR-00000IC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 16:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dlfoster@vespucci.iquest.com (Dayna Foster) Subject: PC Pine for Windows Date: 16 Sep 1994 22:56:32 GMT Message-Id: <35d7r0$is7@polo.iquest.com> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 17:29:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16971; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:29:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16413; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:14:16 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16406; Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:14:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlnAj-00000LC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 16:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: a2816ai@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de (Stephan De Spiegeleire) Subject: How to make Pine read the most recent message first? Date: 16 Sep 1994 23:27:59 GMT Message-Id: <35d9lv$i8e@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> For some reason, my Pine (v. 3.89) no longer seems to put the cursor on the most recent message in my index, but on the first unread one. I checke din .pinerc, but didn't find an option to change that. Can anybody help me change this? -Stephan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephan De Spiegeleire Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP) Tel. (49) 8178/70-360 Research Institute for International Affairs Fax (49) 8178/70-312 D-82067 Ebenhausen/Isar, Federal Republic of Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 18:52:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19021; Fri, 16 Sep 94 18:52:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00119; Fri, 16 Sep 94 18:45:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00113; Fri, 16 Sep 94 18:45:21 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA04588; Fri, 16 Sep 94 21:43:32 EDT Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA05597; Fri, 16 Sep 94 20:45:19 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10622; Fri, 16 Sep 94 20:45:18 CDT Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 20:45:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: PCPINE and 3 bad password attempts Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I had a user report that he attempted to enter his passwd 3 times unsuccessfully (due to the CAP-LOCK key) and PC-PINE sort of locked up. I know, 'sort of locked up'? By this I mean, you can no longer attempt to log in(waited about 10 minutes) but selecting Options, About or Help from the menu works. Also, I can't find a way to close PC-Pine. The only way to close pine was to exit windows. Is this the expected behavior? Has anyone else seen this? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 16 23:55:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25327; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:55:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04657; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:50:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04651; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:50:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qltLw-00000IC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Location of Pine source code Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 22:14:01 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35d31k$m8n@eagle.bet.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35d31k$m8n@eagle.bet.ibm.com> ftp://ftp.cac.washingotn.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 16 Sep 1994, Donnie Lewis wrote: > > > Where is the location of the source code for Pine (the latest version of course)? > > > > > thanks > > > Donnie > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 00:00:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25400; Sat, 17 Sep 94 00:00:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22370; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:55:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22364; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:55:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qltP9-00000LC; Fri, 16 Sep 94 23:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: engp3079@leonis.nus.sg (Ong Patricia S. K.) Subject: auto reply Date: 17 Sep 1994 05:19:34 GMT Message-Id: <35du96$5u8@nuscc.nus.sg> Hi everyone. Is it possible to set an auto reply to all incoming emails? If yes, can anyone kindly tell me how to do it? Thanks. rgs.. Patricia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 00:31:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25982; Sat, 17 Sep 94 00:31:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05096; Sat, 17 Sep 94 00:25:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05090; Sat, 17 Sep 94 00:25:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qlttI-00000jC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 00:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dallas R. Stafford" Subject: Re: PGP and Pine Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 23:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> On 4 Sep 1994, Chris Hale wrote: I too would like to see an answer to this one so I'm re-posting this. Dallas \(^o^)/ > Does anyone here have any scripts to simplify using PGP with pine. > (pine 3.9 on sun os ver 4) > > All of the scripts I've found so far, work only with elm and emacs. > > If someone knows how to redirect the sent messages to an alternate > mailer, (other than sendmail) that would work also. > > Thanks in advance. > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > chale@teleport.com | "The light at the end of the tunnel > -- pgp 2.6 public key available --| is the headlamp of an oncoming train" > -- by finger --| > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 16:19:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13816; Sat, 17 Sep 94 16:19:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04381; Sat, 17 Sep 94 16:07:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04375; Sat, 17 Sep 94 16:07:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qm8Zd-00000iC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 15:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdurkin@netcom.com (Jim Durkin) Subject: Re: PC-Pine folder-collections setup problem Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 15:10:25 GMT Todd Idler (idler@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote: : However, when I go to my folder list, all of my folders have the first : two letters chopped off. It also lists 'mail/' as a folder. If I : attempt to look at one of these folders, it says it cannot find the : folder. Yet I can save to these folders. A related problem is that : I cannot save fcc's to a folder on my imap server. The first time it : works. After that it asks if I want to create a sentmail folder, : and when I type 'Y', it says that the folder already exists. : Consequently, it doesn't send the message. : If anyone has any suggestions, please post or mail me. Thanks. I am having similar problems and would like to get the same advice posted here or in email. Thanks in advance -- Jim jdurkin@netcom.com jim.durkin@index.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 20:22:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17681; Sat, 17 Sep 94 20:22:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19429; Sat, 17 Sep 94 20:09:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19423; Sat, 17 Sep 94 20:09:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmCKG-00000jC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 19:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: Where does (Unix) Pine look for the system pine.conf file? Date: 18 Sep 1994 02:14:33 GMT Message-Id: <35g7q9$l7f@news.ycc.yale.edu> Well, it worked while we had pine.conf in /usr/local/lib (and pine in /usr/local/bin), but now that we've moved the executable and config file, the executable doesn't see the config file. The executable is now in /home/software2/bin/, and the pine.conf is now in /home/software2/lib/pine.conf/. What to do? Thanks a lot, LT -- _____________________________________________________________________ /| | | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | | | | | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | | |_____________________________________________________________________| |/_____________________________________________________________________/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 22:26:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20248; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:26:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21470; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:17:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comoro.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21464; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:17:05 -0700 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca (vortex.yorku.ca [130.63.232.15]) by comoro.yorku.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15499; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 00:58:07 -0400 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca (vortex.yorku.ca [130.63.232.15]) by vortex.yorku.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id BAA08782; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 01:02:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 01:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Lumb Reply-To: Ian Lumb To: CV Conference LOC Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mass mailing with pine In-Reply-To: <35a9n1$c35@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Sep 1994, CV Conference LOC wrote: > I'd like to send a message to over 400 e-mail addresses, to announce a > meeting we're having. If I use pine to do this, how can I prevent 400 e-mail > addresses from appearing in the message header? Much better would be the > one-line name of the distribution list. Thanks, Fred Ringwald Low-tech solution: Place the addresses in the Bcc field. Higher-tech solution: Establish a mailing list. Ian. -- Ian Lumb SysAdmin / UNICAAT Project / Faculty of Pure and Applied Science York University, North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5529; Fax: (416) 736-5950 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 22:42:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20525; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:42:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09401; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:31:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09393; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:31:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmEUy-00000jC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 22:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Where does (Unix) Pine look for the system pine.conf file? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 21:48:38 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35g7q9$l7f@news.ycc.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35g7q9$l7f@news.ycc.yale.edu> The path to pine.conf is hard-coded to /usr/local/bin. You can either move pine.conf back, make a link to it, or change the source... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 18 Sep 1994, Lenny Turetsky wrote: > Well, it worked while we had pine.conf in /usr/local/lib (and pine in > /usr/local/bin), but now that we've moved the executable and config file, > the executable doesn't see the config file. > > The executable is now in /home/software2/bin/, and the pine.conf is > now in /home/software2/lib/pine.conf/. What to do? > > Thanks a lot, > LT > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > /| | > | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | > | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | > | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | > | | | > | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | > | |_____________________________________________________________________| > |/_____________________________________________________________________/ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 17 23:45:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21436; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:45:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22574; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:35:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22568; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:35:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmFVt-00000jC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: "Serious error" message -- help!! Date: 18 Sep 1994 05:39:04 GMT Message-Id: <35gjpo$gg5@news.halcyon.com> References: <35geat$oub@access3.digex.net> trow@access3.digex.net (Sue Trowbridge) writes: >Several times today, when I've tried reading or writing mail in PINE, >all of a sudden, my computer has beeped twice and I've gotten a message >that says something like, "Serious error in /usr/spool/mail/trow," and I >either have to type ! to get to the shell or return to try saving again. Try using the traditional Unix mail, just to see if it will 're-build' your mailbox, in case the problem's in the mailbox itself. There might also be a problem with the drive that the mail is stored on. Try df /usr/spool/mail from the Unix prompt and see if there's space left on the drive. In any event, your system's admin staff would be the folks that can help with the latter case, and, as you said, they're in short supply on the weekends. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 00:20:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22028; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:20:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10524; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:05:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10518; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:05:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmFxs-00000iC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ebonnett@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Elizabeth Bonnett) Subject: Q: how to send binary stuff by email Date: 18 Sep 1994 03:27:52 GMT Message-Id: <35gc3o$p8@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> I would like to send some msdos shareware, etc that I discovered on the 'net to a colleague. I have a mac, so I can't simply download and give him the disk. I have ftp'd the apps he needs into my account at our server (unix) but now I don't know how to get it to him. Could I email them to him? ( of course, I have to figure out how to get them out of my main directory into my Mail directory first :-) ! ) Could I simply transfer them from my directory to his ? (How?) Any assistance / advice etc would be appreciated, privately or here. Thank you : Eliz.Bonnett Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada elizabeth_bonnett@minet.gov.mb.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 00:29:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22144; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:29:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23079; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:16:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23073; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:16:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmG8k-00000jC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: trow@access3.digex.net (Sue Trowbridge) Subject: "Serious error" message -- help!! Date: 18 Sep 1994 00:05:49 -0400 Message-Id: <35geat$oub@access3.digex.net> Several times today, when I've tried reading or writing mail in PINE, all of a sudden, my computer has beeped twice and I've gotten a message that says something like, "Serious error in /usr/spool/mail/trow," and I either have to type ! to get to the shell or return to try saving again. It doesn't seem to matter what I'm doing in PINE -- I can be reading or deleting messages, or be in the middle of composing a message. It's been going on for over 18 hours now and I'm getting worried. Does anyone know what the problem could be? There's no help desk staff here on the weekends, so if anyone can help me out, please post (don't send mail, for obvious reasons!!). Sue Trowbridge -- //////////////////////////trow@access.digex.net\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Those who do not know how to weep with their whole heart don't know how to laugh, either. /////////////////////////////--Golda Meir\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 00:37:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22432; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:37:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23177; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:25:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23171; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:25:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmGKG-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: glenn@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Glenn Rickersey) Subject: Re: "Serious error" message -- help!! Date: 18 Sep 1994 06:32:58 GMT Message-Id: <35gmuq$9b5@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> References: <35geat$oub@access3.digex.net> Hi, Unfortunately whenever I have that problem the only way I can fix in is by manually inspecting all the mailbox and manually removing the null characters which are bound to be in there and fixing up the confused from lines/... Unfortunately if you don't know what format the mailbox should be in it's pretty hard to go in and fix this yourself. I'd suggest you need to wait until support or a more unix-aware friend is available to help you. regards, glenn. trow@access3.digex.net (Sue Trowbridge) writes: >Several times today, when I've tried reading or writing mail in PINE, >all of a sudden, my computer has beeped twice and I've gotten a message >that says something like, "Serious error in /usr/spool/mail/trow," and I >either have to type ! to get to the shell or return to try saving again. >It doesn't seem to matter what I'm doing in PINE -- I can be reading or >deleting messages, or be in the middle of composing a message. It's been >going on for over 18 hours now and I'm getting worried. Does anyone know >what the problem could be? There's no help desk staff here on the >weekends, so if anyone can help me out, please post (don't send mail, for >obvious reasons!!). >Sue Trowbridge >-- >//////////////////////////trow@access.digex.net\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > Those who do not know how to weep with their whole heart > don't know how to laugh, either. >/////////////////////////////--Golda Meir\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 00:37:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22463; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:37:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10741; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:25:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10735; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:25:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmGKC-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: glenn@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Glenn Rickersey) Subject: Does this debugfile from a pine3.90 crash tell anything ? Date: 18 Sep 1994 06:24:13 GMT Message-Id: <35gmed$9am@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Hi, Firstly a public thanks to the pine development team for all the work that they've done on pine. With the release of version 3.90 I was able to compile pine on an AIX 3.2 system which I had been unable to compile version 3.89 on (actually could compile, just not run without core dumping all the time). The first time I ran the 3.90 I compiled on the AIX system it exited dumping core (unfortunately built without debug) so all I have is the following pine debug file output. I haven't been able to reproduce the crash as yet, but am worried as even one crash would prompt alot of problems for the help desk people on that system. Anyone see anything useful in the pine debug output ? thanks for your help. regards, glenn. Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.90 Fri Sep 16 15:09:12 1994 reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf" Open failed: No such file or directory reading_pinerc "/u4/tyco/.pinerc" Read 7791 characters: reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed" Open failed: No such file or directory ========== Current_val options set ========== inbox-path : inbox folder-collections : mail/[] default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook feature-list : old-growth saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr last-time-prune-ques : 94.9 last-version-used : 3.90 bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ========== Command_line_val options set ========== ========== User_val (pinerc) options set ========== folder-collections : mail/[] feature-list : old-growth last-time-prune-ques : 94.9 last-version-used : 3.90 ========== Global_val (pine.conf) options set ========== inbox-path : inbox default-fcc : sent-mail postponed-folder : postponed-msgs mail-directory : mail signature-file : .signature address-book : .addressbook saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder fcc-name-rule : default-fcc sort-key : arrival addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last use-only-domain-name : no printer : attached-to-ansi standard-printer : lpr bugs-fullname : Pine Developers bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu elm-style-save : no header-in-reply : no feature-level : sapling old-style-reply : no save-by-sender : no ========== Fixed_val (pine.conf.fixed, overrides all) options set ========== ========== Feature settings ========== no-assume-slow-link no-auto-move-read-msgs no-auto-open-next-unread no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm no-delete-skips-deleted no-disable-config-cmd no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd no-disable-password-cmd no-disable-update-cmd enable-aggregate-command-set enable-alternate-editor-cmd no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly enable-bounce-cmd enable-flag-cmd enable-full-header-cmd no-enable-incoming-folders enable-jump-shortcut no-enable-mail-check-cue enable-suspend enable-tab-completion enable-unix-pipe-cmd no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks no-expanded-view-of-folders no-expunge-without-confirm no-include-attachments-in-reply no-include-header-in-reply no-include-text-in-reply no-news-post-without-validation no-news-read-in-newsrc-order quit-without-confirm no-save-will-quote-leading-froms no-save-will-not-delete no-save-will-advance no-select-without-confirm no-show-selected-in-boldface no-signature-at-bottom no-use-current-dir no-use-function-keys no-user-lookup-even-if-domain-mismatch Userid: istsgr Fullname: "" User domain name being used "" Local Domain name being used "ozi1" Host name being used "ozi1" Mail Domain name being used "ozi1" MAILCAP: file: "/u4/tyco/.mailcap" MAILCAP: Cannot read file /u4/tyco/.mailcap MAILCAP: file: "/etc/mailcap" MAILCAP: Cannot read file /etc/mailcap new win size -----<24 80>------ Terminal type: vt100 Context mail/[] type: LOCAL Want_to read: n (110) so_get error: /u4/tyco/mail/postponed-mail : No such file or directoryAbout to open folder "INBOX" inbox: "INBOX" Opened folder "inbox" with 0 messages Sorting by Arrival IMAP 15:9 9/16 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /u4/tyco/.pine-interrupted-mail ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- IMAP 15:9 9/16 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /u4/tyco/.pine-interrupted-mail === send called === /u4/tyco/.addressbook.lu is not valid, rebuilding Address book .addressbook (.addressbook) opened with 1 items new win size -----<24 80>------ === calling sendmail === Send SUCCESSFUL. To: istsgr@ozi1 Subject: moo Message ID: ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- MAIL INDEX ---- ---- INDEX MANAGER ---- IMAP 15:9 9/16 mm_log ERROR: Mailbox open failed, aborted: Cannot write to a directory. about to end_tty_driver Pine Panic: Received abort signal From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 01:03:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23052; Sun, 18 Sep 94 01:03:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11049; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:51:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11043; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:50:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmGjT-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kfonda@compuwiz.com (Kevin Fonda) Subject: ICMP: Port Unreachable error Date: 18 Sep 1994 05:57:56 GMT Message-Id: <35gkt4$19s@compuwiz.com> I'm trying to use PC-Pine 3.90 to connect to my Linux machine to read mail. Every time I start up PC-Pine I get the message "ICMP: Port Unreachable". Does anyone have any suggestions on where I should start looking for the problem? Thanks... -- =============================================================== Kevin Fonda Email: kfonda@compuwiz.com 5 Main St. Phone: (908) 223-2013 Manasquan, NJ 08736 Fax : (908) 223-3431 =============================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 04:55:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28156; Sun, 18 Sep 94 04:55:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26642; Sun, 18 Sep 94 04:47:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26636; Sun, 18 Sep 94 04:47:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmKN4-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 04:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: Idea: Postponed mail interface. Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 11:13:15 GMT Following in the idea of improving postponed mail, will be nice if one could use jump like in any other index... also, while in index, perhaps implementing the cursor keys in such a way that the right arrow will do the same as the "enter" key... thanks for pine, in any case Pucho From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 07:12:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00641; Sun, 18 Sep 94 07:12:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15392; Sun, 18 Sep 94 07:04:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15386; Sun, 18 Sep 94 07:04:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmMUU-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 06:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: temasek!shim!ivan@csah.com (Ivan Shim) Message-Id: Subject: Various questions Date: Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:06 SST I've just installed the pine3.90 . It works great. I have a couple of questions though: 1. How do I set my 'From:' field to display: rather than ? I've managed to do this by patching smail3.1.28.1 when the field was not in angle brackets. Is this something you can change in pine or smail3.1.28 ? 2. Is it possible to have more than one field in the 'Reply-To:' header? Eg: Reply-To: ivan%king@ncb.gov.sg,ivan%shim@csah.com Pine seems to use the comma to separate them into two header fields. 3. When I type 'H' while reading the text, it doesn't work. Am I missing a setting? Please reply by e-mail. Thanks. Ivan Shim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 08:58:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02144; Sun, 18 Sep 94 08:58:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29444; Sun, 18 Sep 94 08:53:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29438; Sun, 18 Sep 94 08:53:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmOCL-00000uC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 08:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jkaiman@bu.edu (Jeremy Kaiman) Subject: Configuring Recieved Folder (how do I?) Date: 18 Sep 1994 15:21:51 GMT Message-Id: <35hluf$7b1@news.bu.edu> Hey all, I'm a newbie so please bear with me. I was wondering...I know ELM prompts the user to put all received msgs in a received folder. IS there any way to configure PINE to do the same thing each time? Also, I was wondering how do I go about obtaining the latest copy of pine? I have the ftp site and dir, but I'm a little sketchy as to which files I need. I'm running it off dial in unix provided by Boston University. Thanks for your help, and please e-mail me at jkaiman@acs.bu.edu with your suggestions. Thanks again, -Jer in Boston From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 10:24:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03664; Sun, 18 Sep 94 10:24:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17498; Sun, 18 Sep 94 10:19:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17492; Sun, 18 Sep 94 10:19:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmPY5-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 09:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: herbert@greathan.apana.org.au (Herbert Xu) Subject: Delete empty folders Date: 18 Sep 1994 16:47:31 +1000 Message-Id: <35gnq3$4kj@greathan.apana.org.au> Is there any way to make pine delete empty folders? -- A. B <=> True B. A <=> False Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} PGP Key: pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu or any other key sites From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 13:55:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07461; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:55:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03419; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:52:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03413; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:52:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmSuv-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) Subject: pine manual Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 17:04:43 GMT Hello, Could anyone mail me a manual of pine and pico? Because I cannot man them in my system... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cheung Ying Lam Raymond The University of Hong Kong | | Major: Electrical and Electronic Engineering | | E-mail address: h9204311@hkuxa.hku.hk | | h9204311@hkueee.hku.hk | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 13:55:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07469; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:55:51 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20061; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:52:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20055; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:52:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmSuy-00000jC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) Subject: pine VS elm Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 17:05:20 GMT Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Cheung Ying Lam Raymond The University of Hong Kong | | Major: Electrical and Electronic Engineering | | E-mail address: h9204311@hkuxa.hku.hk | | h9204311@hkueee.hku.hk | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 14:07:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07708; Sun, 18 Sep 94 14:07:46 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03565; Sun, 18 Sep 94 14:03:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03559; Sun, 18 Sep 94 14:03:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmT4Q-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 13:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: "Serious error" message -- help!! Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 13:29:10 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35gmuq$9b5@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> This is probably the error message that comes from mm_diskerror() in Pine's imap.c code. This in turn is called by the mailbox update routines in the c-client library. What has happened is pretty bad. That's why it's called a ``serious'' error! ;-) At certain times in a Pine session -- specifically at expunge, mailbox close, and checkpoint -- a mbox or mmdf format mailbox is completely rewritten. Essentially, the in-memory copy of the mailbox is dumped out to the disk, replacing the previous disk copy. Because Status: and X-Status: lines may be added to a message, it is possible that the mailbox may end up being *larger* after the rewrite instead of smaller. To avoid the possibility of hitting a quota exceeded or disk-full condition, an extremely conservative worst-case calculation of the potential growth of the mailbox is made. Nulls are then appended to the mailbox to make sure that the mailbox can grow by that many bytes. If this fails, you get a ``non-serious'' disk error that says. This is the familiar message you get when you've popped your disk quota and Pine declines even to expunge. If the null appending succeeds, the mailbox is overwritten with the in-memory data. When it is finished, the mailbox is truncatated to the proper size; this tosses out the nulls (and the remnants of messages prior to expunging). This overwrite is guaranteed to write, at worst, as many bytes as are already there and most likely will write far fewer bytes. If, however, the overwrite fails, you get a ``serious'' error. At this point, the disk copy of the mailbox is hosed. The c-client library in Pine has gone modal, refusing to return control to Pine until it does a successful rewrite of the mailbox from the in-memory copy. At this point, your mailbox and your Pine process need professional help! A ``serious'' error is simply not supposed to happen. It is believed to be impossible on most versions of UNIX. It is theoretically possible if a particular UNIX kernel behaves in a particularly bad way, but it is claimed that no versions of UNIX do so. Thus, I am very concerned about reports of ``serious'' errors. Each ``serious'' error represents a damaged mailbox, and we are committed to ensure that Pine never damages mailboxes. If, as has been suggested, we make the ``worst-case'' estimate less conservative and not do it at all on expunge, we run a possibly increased risk of ``serious'' errors. I would rather that the initial risk be zero. I am especially interested to know: 1) What flavor of UNIX you are running (vendor, BSD/SysV, version). 2) If maximum file size limits are in effect, and if so what is the limit. 3) If disk quotas are in effect, and if so what is the user's quota and current usage. 4) Amount of usable free space on the disk. 5) Size of the mailbox in bytes and number of messages. 6) *Complete* text of the error message (not a paraphrase). Thank you for your assistance!!!! -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 15:11:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08755; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:11:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21010; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:07:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20998; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:07:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmU3G-00000jC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 14:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jtbell@presby.edu (Jon Bell) Subject: Re: pine manual Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:37:23 GMT References: In article , Raymond Cheung wrote: > Could anyone mail me a manual of pine and pico? Because I cannot man > them in my system... Have you tried the on-line help within the programs? Every pine or pico screen has a "Get Help" command in the menu at the bottom of the screen. If you need to change your pine configuration (.pinerc file), the .pinerc file itself contains extensive comments. -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 15:41:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09235; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:41:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04717; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:37:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04710; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:37:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmUVO-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Date: 18 Sep 1994 21:26:35 GMT Message-Id: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> References: h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) writes: > Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? I prefer elm. My users prefer pine. Pine is neo-logistically Elm, or Pine Is No longer Elm, or... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 16:23:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09961; Sun, 18 Sep 94 16:23:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21807; Sun, 18 Sep 94 16:18:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21801; Sun, 18 Sep 94 16:18:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmVAL-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bloomis@skypoint.com (Bill Loomis) Subject: Incoming-Folders and Folder-Collections Date: 18 Sep 1994 22:38:34 GMT Message-Id: <35ifha$jou@stratus.skypoint.com> I am confused regarding setting the Incoming-Folders and Folder- Collections in the .pinerc file for adding additional folders to which some "filtered" mail is sent. My system uses Pine 3.89. My incoming mail is sent to /var/mail/bloomis as I have been able to determine from looking at my environment. The .pinerc file contains an example for adding additional incoming folders as follows: incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help If I am filtering messages from the lynx-dev mailing list might I do the following to satisfy Pine: incoming-folders=Lynx {skypoint.skypoint.com}filter/to-lynx ?? What I am confused in the above example is the placement of "Consulting", and "to-help"?Any help would be appreciated. -Bill Loomis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 17:57:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11418; Sun, 18 Sep 94 17:57:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06378; Sun, 18 Sep 94 17:52:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06372; Sun, 18 Sep 94 17:52:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmWeQ-00000xC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 17:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: trow@access3.digex.net (Sue Trowbridge) Subject: Re: "Serious error" message -- help!! Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:59:09 -0400 Message-Id: <35ik8d$pb9@access3.digex.net> References: I'm cross-posting this to digex.general because others may be interested to hear about my "serious" error, which is apparently fairly rare. And perhaps someone can help with the questions I don't know the answers to. (I'm not a "power UNIX" user by any means, I'm afraid.) To recap: I was using Pine a couple of days ago, when all of a sudden I got a weird error message (the text of which is included a few paragraphs down). In article , Mark Crispin wrote: >A ``serious'' error is simply not supposed to happen. It is believed to >be impossible on most versions of UNIX. It is theoretically possible if >a particular UNIX kernel behaves in a particularly bad way, but it is >claimed that no versions of UNIX do so. Wow! I feel, uh, unique. :-) >I am especially interested to know: > 1) What flavor of UNIX you are running (vendor, BSD/SysV, version). I use a public-access internet provider (Digital Express in Greenbelt, MD). I'm not sure what "flavor" they run. > 2) If maximum file size limits are in effect, and if so what is the limit. Don't know. > 3) If disk quotas are in effect, and if so what is the user's quota and > current usage. We don't really have disk quotas; we're permitted 5 mb and we are charged 6 cents a day for each megabyte over the limit. > 4) Amount of usable free space on the disk. Don't know. > 5) Size of the mailbox in bytes and number of messages. I had a *lot* of messages in my mailbox, I will admit...I subscribe to a few mailing lists, and one of them in particular has had MUCH more traffic than usual during the past week or so (it's a music list and the artist just included an email address in the liner notes of his brand-new album). I also had quite a few saved messages. In other words, I've been a little lax in my cyber-housekeeping. I'll never do it again!! (sob) > 6) *Complete* text of the error message (not a paraphrase). Serious error saving mail folder "/usr/spool/mail/trow": Press return to retry saving or press ! to get system prompt. Please attempt to correct the error preventing the saving of the mail folder. For example, if the disk is out of space, try removing uneeded (sic) files. You might also contact your system administrator. >Thank you for your assistance!!!! Thanks for your input. BTW, I tried removing some of my message folders, and moving others to my home directory. It didn't help, though. --Sue Trowbridge -- //////////////////////////trow@access.digex.net\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Those who do not know how to weep with their whole heart don't know how to laugh, either. /////////////////////////////--Golda Meir\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 18:56:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12335; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:56:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23557; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:52:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23551; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:52:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmXbS-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) Subject: script in Fcc? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 01:17:30 GMT Hi! I would like to run a script everytime that pine sends a message. Using default-fcc= seemed like a good idea, but I don't seem to be able to do this... Any ideas? Many thanks. Please reply be email, as I don't usually read this newsgroup. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 19:17:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12667; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:17:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07383; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:13:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07374; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:13:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmXth-00000IC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rmckenzi@inasec.ca (Rob McKenzie) Subject: Re: PGP and Pine Date: 19 Sep 1994 01:41:49 GMT Message-Id: <35iq8t$okc@inasec.ca> References: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> Dallas R. Stafford (dallas@halcyon.com) wrote: : On 4 Sep 1994, Chris Hale wrote: : I too would like to see an answer to this one so I'm re-posting this. : > Does anyone here have any scripts to simplify using PGP with pine. : > (pine 3.9 on sun os ver 4) Here is the one that I use. It's not mine, nor do I claim it to be. -----< CUT >----- #!/bin/sh # schake@cs.sandia.gov, May 28 1994 clear echo '' echo 'Enter username to encrypt, or return to sign only' read action case $action in ?*) pgp -sew "$1" "$action";; *) pgp -satw +clearsig=on "$1";; esac mv "$1.asc" "$1" -----< END >---- Cheers!!! -- --- Robert P. McKenzie - rmckenzi@inasec.ca - root@chezrob.pinetree.org PGP Key available upon request or by fingering: rmckenzi@inasec.ca --- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 19:32:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13024; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:32:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23999; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:28:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23993; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:28:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmY8M-00000iC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 19:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Date: 18 Sep 1994 21:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com) wrote: : h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) writes: : > Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? : I prefer elm. My users prefer pine. This sums up my experience completely, as well. New users are even starting to use pine for usenet reading, finding it easier to use than tin, and with Pico integrated for both news and mail. On the other hand, I've used elm for years and am very comfortable with vi. However, I'll choose pine over elm hands-down for MIME messages, the present "invoke metamail" solution doesn't "do much" for me. -- Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu) (http://cc.ysu.edu/1/doug) de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner -- Bill Gunshannon, bill@cs.uofs.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 18 20:52:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14718; Sun, 18 Sep 94 20:52:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25113; Sun, 18 Sep 94 20:48:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cortex.isg-us.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25107; Sun, 18 Sep 94 20:48:31 -0700 Received: by cortex.isg-us.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08753; Sun, 18 Sep 94 23:47:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 23:47:43 PDT From: Armand Doucette Reply-To: Armand.Doucette@isg-us.com Subject: Pine for VMS??? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm in search of someone who has run Pine on VMS. I've retrieved the claimed port from vms.huji.ac.il. The code appears to be missing a key file called os_vms.c if you get the pine_vms_fixes.tar file and follow the instructions. The pine_beta_9.bck file appears to be unretrievable by me, at least intact. The format of this VMS Backup saveset is not maintained when ftp'd(I'm stuck with UCX on VMS...no stru vms). If anyone has been successful using this port or if you could point me toward another option, it would be much appreciated. I know about the client in PMDF, but Innosoft's new pricing scheme makes that no longer an option. Armand Doucette International Software Group, Inc. Armand.Doucette@isg-us.com 100 Fifth Avenue Waltham, MA 02154 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 00:03:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18127; Mon, 19 Sep 94 00:03:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11209; Sun, 18 Sep 94 23:58:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11203; Sun, 18 Sep 94 23:58:26 -0700 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Mon, 19 Sep 1994 08:58:14 +0200 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA05139; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:58:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 08:58:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: Lenny Turetsky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where does (Unix) Pine look for the system pine.conf file? In-Reply-To: <35g7q9$l7f@news.ycc.yale.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can define the directory where the system wide pine.conf lives in the file pine3.90/pine/osdep/os-xxx.h Here's what I did: #define SYSTEM_PINERC "/sw/share/pine-3.90/lib/pine.conf" #define SYSTEM_PINERC_FIXED "/sw/share/pine-3.90/lib/pine.conf.fixed" BTW could somebody explain the function of the pine.conf.fixed to me? Yours ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 18 Sep 1994, Lenny Turetsky wrote: > Well, it worked while we had pine.conf in /usr/local/lib (and pine in > /usr/local/bin), but now that we've moved the executable and config file, > the executable doesn't see the config file. > > The executable is now in /home/software2/bin/, and the pine.conf is > now in /home/software2/lib/pine.conf/. What to do? > > Thanks a lot, > LT > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > /| | > | | There are only two organizations that I know of that send armed | > | | men in dark suits and sunglasses to take money they haven't earned: | > | | the mafia and the government. -- Lenny Turetsky | > | | | > | | Lenny Turetsky (aka) lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | > | |_____________________________________________________________________| > |/_____________________________________________________________________/ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 00:53:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19279; Mon, 19 Sep 94 00:53:37 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28194; Mon, 19 Sep 94 00:44:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28188; Mon, 19 Sep 94 00:44:46 -0700 Received: from tellus.csc.fi (tellus.csc.fi [128.214.46.33]) by pobox.csc.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9+CSC-2.0) with SMTP id KAA28903; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:44:42 +0300 Received: by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08945; Mon, 19 Sep 94 10:44:40 +0300 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:44:40 +0300 (EET DST) From: Pekka Kytolaakso To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where does (Unix) Pine look for the system pine.conf file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET Finnish University and Reseach Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 On Sat, 17 Sep 1994, David L Miller wrote: > The path to pine.conf is hard-coded to /usr/local/bin. You can either mo= ve > pine.conf back, make a link to it, or change the source...=20 Or you can write a shell-script like: #!/bin/sh /path/bin/pine.bin -P /path/lib/pine.conf "$@" Pekka Kyt=F6laakso --------------------------------------------------------------- Pekka.Kytolaakso@funet.fi FUNET Finnish University and Reseach Network netmgr@tellus.csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4572246 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 02:29:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21463; Mon, 19 Sep 94 02:29:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13055; Mon, 19 Sep 94 02:19:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13049; Mon, 19 Sep 94 02:19:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmeXd-00000jC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 01:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Aaron Vinck) Subject: Printing to local Mac printer. Date: 19 Sep 1994 07:21:22 GMT Message-Id: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> I have not ever been able to get a Mac to print to a local printer when trying to print from pine. (My connection is through a dial-up connection to a unix account.) I have a Mac LC with a HP DeskWriter. (I print through a print spooler program called "HP PrintMonitor" that comes with the Deskwriter). My communications software is Microphone LT. I have no problems printing to a locally attached printer at work, but it's a PC, not a Mac. My wife, who has a Mac at work, cannot get her Mac to print to her office printer to either (also a dial-up connection). When you invoke the "print" command in pine, it asks "print using `attached-to-ANSI?'" (What other choice to I have?) I answer "yes." Then a Mac dialogue box pops up that reads: An error #-192 occured while trying to print. Please check your printer. ---- |ok| ---- I click on "OK," and then pine says: [Printing to attached desktop printer.] But, nothing happens. Nothing prints. (And I have a hard time getting pine to move on to something else (it thinks it's still printing). Is there some special trick to get pine (version 3.90) to print to a local Mac printer? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Aaron Vinck aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 06:26:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26622; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:26:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16176; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:18:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16164; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:18:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmiJA-000013C; Mon, 19 Sep 94 05:59 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il (Susan Feingold) Subject: using goto folder when newsreading Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 11:33:16 GMT Message-Id: References: <34qvio$ga5@ns.oar.net> I don't know if this is a bug, or my problem. However, when I use pine to read from new-group folders, and I want to use the GOTO folder option, I can only go to mail folders and not to newsgroup folders. Any suggestions? Sue Susan Feingold D.Sc. ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il Taub Computer Center phone 972-4-293696 Technion, Israel Institute of Technology fax 972-4-236212 Haifa, Israel 32000 On 10 Sep 1994, George F. Nemeyer wrote: > GH Chinoy (hussain@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > I just compiled pine (build nxt) 3.90 and it seem to work flawlessly > > on our NeXT machines running NS 3.2 > > > Apparently, though, users have been recieving this message right > > after they quit, after having marked some mail in their INBOXes deleted: > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > Exiting pine. > > IOT trap. > > > Any clues? > > I got this message after upgrading from unix pine 3.89 to 3.90 on a Linux > system. It seemed to be complaining about the old 3.89 global > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. I renamed a new .pinerc file and replaced > the old one, and that seemed to have fixed it. > > =^_^= Tigerwolf > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 06:27:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26694; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:27:32 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02347; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:08:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02341; Mon, 19 Sep 94 06:08:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmi9u-00000xC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 05:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rafi@tavor.openu.ac.il (Rafi Sadowsky) Subject: Re: Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" Message-Id: References: <352hp7$f2m@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 11:49:49 GMT Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Andy, : In a perfect world I would completely agree with you. : Alas, the email world is far from perfect... : The problem that necessitated this property of Pine is LISTSERV. : In particular, the fact that the normal default for LISTSERV lists is to : set the Reply-To: value to the list address. Without a way to ignore the : Reply-To, there is no way to respond just to the originator, and the risk : of inadvertently sending an embarrassing reply to a large number of : people is very high... even with experienced email users. I speak from : experience. : -teg me too - it can be *very* embarrassing - particurlaly if you are a postmaster who should know better.. Rafi P.S. this is one of the things I like in pine over elm : On 12 Sep 1994 Andy.Behrens@coat.com wrote: : > Could Pine be changed so that it doesn't ask the user : > : > Use "Reply to:" address instead of "From:" address? : > : > Or at the very least, could this behavior be made site-configurable? : > When given this choice, our users have no idea which address they : > should use. (And rightly so -- it's not their job to be able to : > recognize valid e-mail addresses at a glance). So they guess, and they : > have a 50% of guessing wrong. : > : > Furthermore, RFC 822 states clearly that the Reply-To field should be : > used if it exists: : > : > 4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO : > : > For systems which automatically generate address lists for : > replies to messages, the following recommendations are made: : > : > o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should : > go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to : > the address(es) indicated in the "From" field. : > : > Andy : > : > -- : > Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. (Anne Herbert) : > : > Andy Behrens : > Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Rd., Etna, N.H. 03750 (603) 643-2800 : > -- Rafi Sadowsky rafi@tavor.openu.ac.il [postmaster@openu.ac.il] FAX: +972-3-6460483 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 08:33:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00564; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:33:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04363; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:12:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04357; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:12:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmk8n-00000nC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 07:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scoanc@compu010.cf.ac.uk (Cormack Andrew) Subject: Strange "whereis" behaviour in 3.90 Message-Id: <1994Sep19.141607.29147@cm.cf.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 14:16:06 +0000 I am running 3.90 on a DEC OSF/1 system. The whereis command seems to behave differently from the description in the help pages: has anyone else seen this ? At the folder list screen, I press w and am prompted to enter a search word. When this is given, all messages whose subject/author contains the word are selected. This occurs whether or not I have enabled aggregate operations. With agg.ops. on, I am offered ^X to "select matches", even though they are already selected. In fact ^X steps to the first selected message. Also, if the cursor is on a message which matches the given word, whereis doesn't find that message, only the other ones. Confused (but only 'cos I read the help page :) Andrew -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Cormack | email: cormack@cardiff.ac.uk | | Systems Programmer | snail: 40/41 Park Place, Cardiff | | University of Wales, Cardiff | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 08:40:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00961; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:40:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18352; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:27:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18346; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:27:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmkJ9-00000tC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Scott Rigby Subject: Deleting news posts... Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:19:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just installed Pine 3.90 (DEC Alpha running OSF/1) and am seriously seriously impressed! One question though, I'm using an NNTP news server for news access and decided to delete the posts that I had read....I left the group, went back, and they're no longer there!....fantastic! Lets assume that I'm upto date with my news and only have a few postings in my group......what If I want to see the old ones again....I've tried unSubscribing and reSubscribing but that doesn't bring back all the old postings that I've already read.......is there a way to achieve this? Scott Rigby. scott@nelly.mat.univie.ac.at From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 09:34:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03556; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:34:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05959; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:19:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05953; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:19:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qml6g-00000iC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 08:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: knoppg@mayo.edu (Gail Knopp) Subject: trouble creating new folders Date: 19 Sep 1994 13:27:41 GMT Message-Id: <35k3kd$it3@fermat.mayo.edu> I am having trouble creating a new folder for Pine under VMS. What could I have done wrong in my .pinerc file? The message is always that the folder name I have chosen already exists. This is not true, so what could be the cause? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Gail Knopp From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 10:07:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05201; Mon, 19 Sep 94 10:07:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20586; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:57:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20576; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:57:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmlmV-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Subject: Re: Mass mailing with pine Date: 19 Sep 1994 15:13:48 GMT Message-Id: <35k9rd$h3l@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <35a9n1$c35@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> CV Conference LOC (cvconf@astro.keele.ac.uk) wrote: : I'd like to send a message to over 400 e-mail addresses, to announce a : meeting we're having. If I use pine to do this, how can I prevent 400 e-mail : addresses from appearing in the message header? Much better would be the : one-line name of the distribution list. Thanks, Fred Ringwald Put it in the BCC: field. Hit ctrl-R while in the TO: spot Gary -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/gary.html FOR COMPUTER ILLITERATES ONLY There's now a service for executives who receive e-mail but can't deal with computers. A New Jersey-based telephone company automatically faxes e-mail messages to subscribers, allowing them to read their mail "the old-fashioned way -- on paper." (St. Petersburg Times 5/8/94 H8) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 11:39:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09447; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:39:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08931; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:34:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08919; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:34:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmnFy-00000iC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pbarber@eskimo.com (Putnam Barber) Subject: Enhancement Request (editing header info) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:28:38 GMT It's important in list-servs that people modify Subject: and To: lines to allow readers to scan incoming mail efficiently. In Pine, the various text editing conveniences are not extended to the header line. ^K works to delete the whole thing. ^D and ^H delete one character at a time. But you can't mark text and delete, or search, or do other useful things. (At least, I haven't been able to figure out how to do those things.) So, a request for future versions of pine is to extend the full range of editing and moving commands to the header fields. Thanks for all you do. Putnam Barber Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 13:12:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13511; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:12:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25074; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:07:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25068; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:07:20 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmojg-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 12:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: geeb@math.lsa.umich.edu (Mark A Gebert) Subject: pine.conf feature now busted under 3.90 Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:51 GMT Message-Id: <35kocf$98j@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> In order not to provide e-mail service for our educational labs we set an environmental variable in the system wide .cshrc to determine which mailserver to contact so the student can read mail. The line the .pinerc looks like: inbox-path={$MAILSERVER}inbox This worked fine under pine 3.89 and now doesn't under pine3.90. It looks like the environment variables are no longer used when the .pinerc is read in. Any suggestions or work arounds? --geeb -- ------------------------------------------------------ Mark A. Gebert geeb@umich.edu University of Michigan Voice:+1 313 763 3113 ITD/LSA Unix Support Team & Pager:+1 313 406 4835 Mathematics Department Fax:+1 313 764 2495 ------------------------------------------------------ geeb, n.: Geometric Error in Essential Balance or a funny nickname for one wierd unit ***** A Manure Mover of America ***** % cat std.disclaimers From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 13:48:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14822; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:48:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11816; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:43:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11806; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:43:14 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA07751; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:42:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Mark A Gebert Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine.conf feature now busted under 3.90 In-Reply-To: <35kocf$98j@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, Mark A Gebert wrote: > In order not to provide e-mail service for our educational labs we set an > environmental variable in the system wide .cshrc to determine which mailserver > to contact so the student can read mail. The line the .pinerc looks like: > > inbox-path={$MAILSERVER}inbox > > This worked fine under pine 3.89 and now doesn't under pine3.90. It looks like > the environment variables are no longer used when the .pinerc is read in. Any > suggestions or work arounds? Yup. inbox-path=${MAILSERVER}inbox You had the right idea, just had the left brace in the wrong spot. This should work for you now. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 13:58:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15262; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:58:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26026; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:53:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from null.math.lsa.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26018; Mon, 19 Sep 94 13:53:12 -0700 Received: from patton.math.lsa.umich.edu by math.lsa.umich.edu with SMTP id AA26734 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:51:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199409192051.AA26734@math.lsa.umich.edu> To: Dion Vansevenant Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine.conf feature now busted under 3.90 In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:42:47 EDT. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:52:48 -0400 From: Geeb Actually it is: inbox-path={${MAILSERVER}}inbox --geeb ------- Your Message ------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:42:47 EDT To: Mark A Gebert cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dion Vansevenant Subject: Re: pine.conf feature now busted under 3.90 On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, Mark A Gebert wrote: > In order not to provide e-mail service for our educational labs we set an > environmental variable in the system wide .cshrc to determine which mailser - ver > to contact so the student can read mail. The line the .pinerc looks like: > > inbox-path={$MAILSERVER}inbox > > This worked fine under pine 3.89 and now doesn't under pine3.90. It looks l - ike > the environment variables are no longer used when the .pinerc is read in. A - ny > suggestions or work arounds? Yup. inbox-path=${MAILSERVER}inbox You had the right idea, just had the left brace in the wrong spot. This should work for you now. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* ------- End of Your Message ------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 14:48:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17332; Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:48:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13063; Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:42:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13057; Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:42:18 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA10374; Mon, 19 Sep 1994 17:42:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 17:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Pine Messages Subject: Pine reading keys that aren't pressed. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of my users connects to the system via DataPac and has just recently tried to use Pine3.90. For some reason the error message "Command '^S' not defined for this screen. Use ? for help." appears, and re-appears, ad nauseum, until the only option left is to kill the process. This account works just fine otherwise, and pine works fine when logging in directly. It appears only to happen when using DataPac. Has anyone else experienced a similar problem, or perhaps do you know what may be causing this? We run DG/UX 5.4.201. TIA Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 15:27:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18945; Mon, 19 Sep 94 15:27:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27938; Mon, 19 Sep 94 15:22:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from banana.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27932; Mon, 19 Sep 94 15:22:08 -0700 Received: by banana.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA18504; Mon, 19 Sep 94 17:18:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 17:18:28 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@banana To: Susan Feingold Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: using goto folder when newsreading In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ms. Feingold, If you've setup Pine to read NNTP news, you can hit ctrl-N to go to Next Collection when in the GOTO option. That should switch from your mail folder collection to your news collections. ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ Head Consultant, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab NEXTSTEP Washington University in St. Louis hussain@artsci.wustl.edu On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, Susan Feingold wrote: > I don't know if this is a bug, or my problem. However, when I use pine to > read from new-group folders, and I want to use the GOTO folder option, > I can only go to mail folders and not to newsgroup folders. > > Any suggestions? > > Sue > > Susan Feingold D.Sc. ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il > Taub Computer Center phone 972-4-293696 > Technion, Israel Institute of Technology fax 972-4-236212 > Haifa, Israel 32000 > > > > On 10 Sep 1994, George F. Nemeyer wrote: > > > GH Chinoy (hussain@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > I just compiled pine (build nxt) 3.90 and it seem to work flawlessly > > > on our NeXT machines running NS 3.2 > > > > > Apparently, though, users have been recieving this message right > > > after they quit, after having marked some mail in their INBOXes deleted: > > > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > > > Exiting pine. > > > IOT trap. > > > > > Any clues? > > > > I got this message after upgrading from unix pine 3.89 to 3.90 on a Linux > > system. It seemed to be complaining about the old 3.89 global > > /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file. I renamed a new .pinerc file and replaced > > the old one, and that seemed to have fixed it. > > > > =^_^= Tigerwolf > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 16:51:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22291; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:51:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29805; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:43:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29799; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:42:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qms3l-00000nC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Incoming-Folders and Folder-Collections Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:38:06 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35ifha$jou@stratus.skypoint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35ifha$jou@stratus.skypoint.com> "Consulting" is the (optional) nickname that will show up on the folder list and "to-help" is the name of the folder. Some people try to attach additional semantics to the name "to-help" but it is simply a filename. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 18 Sep 1994, Bill Loomis wrote: > I am confused regarding setting the Incoming-Folders and Folder- > Collections in the .pinerc file for adding additional folders to which > some "filtered" mail is sent. My system uses Pine 3.89. My incoming mail > is sent to /var/mail/bloomis as I have been able to determine from looking > at my environment. The .pinerc file contains an example for adding > additional incoming folders as follows: > > incoming-folders=Consulting {carson.u.washington.edu}filter/to-help > > If I am filtering messages from the lynx-dev mailing list might I do the > following to satisfy Pine: > > incoming-folders=Lynx {skypoint.skypoint.com}filter/to-lynx ?? > > What I am confused in the above example is the placement of "Consulting", > and "to-help"?Any help would be appreciated. > > -Bill Loomis > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 16:51:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22305; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:51:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15822; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:43:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15816; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:43:05 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qms3W-00000kC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Delete empty folders Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:32:52 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35gnq3$4kj@greathan.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35gnq3$4kj@greathan.apana.org.au> Not automatically. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 18 Sep 1994, Herbert Xu wrote: > Is there any way to make pine delete empty folders? > -- > A. B <=> True B. A <=> False > Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} > PGP Key: pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu or any other key sites > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 18:16:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25863; Mon, 19 Sep 94 18:16:15 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02100; Mon, 19 Sep 94 18:08:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02094; Mon, 19 Sep 94 18:08:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmtLh-000016C; Mon, 19 Sep 94 17:46 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alexm@athens.Corp.Sun.COM (Alexis Messaris) Subject: Disconnected use of wpine..??? Date: 19 Sep 1994 18:24:42 GMT Message-Id: <35kl1a$t0f@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Hi all, I am trying to figure out if it is possible to use wpine to do the following. I would appreciate any help/ideas/comments... I am using wpine under ms-windows over ppp. Is it possible for me to access the mailbox on my server, then somehow cache some and/or all messages to the pc, then disconnect from the net (close ppp connection) go on a trip (or outside in my backyard), read, reply, delete, and send new mail, then reconnect with my server and have all my changes played back and my mailbox updated. I suspect that this is possible with the use of IMAP but I have no idea if I can or how I can do it with wpine. Again I would appreciate any help. Please send me e-mail unless you think that your reply would be interesting to others in which case you can post it on the group. Thanks again, Alex From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 20:14:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28180; Mon, 19 Sep 94 20:14:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19570; Mon, 19 Sep 94 20:08:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19564; Mon, 19 Sep 94 20:08:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmvFw-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 19:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ez017400@chip.ucdavis.edu (Hemang Patel) Subject: Re: Mass mailing with pine Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:27:29 GMT Message-Id: <35kon1$9o8@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <35a9n1$c35@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> <35k9rd$h3l@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Gary J LaPointe (gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu) wrote: : Put it in the BCC: field. : Hit ctrl-R while in the TO: spot : Gary : -- : Gary J LaPointe : gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu : Michigan State University : Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities : http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/gary.html : FOR COMPUTER ILLITERATES ONLY : There's now a service for executives who receive e-mail but can't : deal with computers. A New Jersey-based telephone company automatically : faxes e-mail messages to subscribers, allowing them to read their mail "the : old-fashioned way -- on paper." (St. Petersburg Times 5/8/94 H8) -- Is there a way to make the rich headers (Ctrl-R) default? That way I don't have to hit the Ctrl-R keys every time. _______________________________________ hcpatel@dale.ucdavis.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 21:29:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29641; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:29:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04650; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:23:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04644; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:23:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmwR8-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Deleting news posts... Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:44:34 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: '&' UneXclude |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, Scott Rigby wrote: > I've just installed Pine 3.90 (DEC Alpha running OSF/1) and am seriously > seriously impressed! > > One question though, I'm using an NNTP news server for news access and > decided to delete the posts that I had read....I left the group, went > back, and they're no longer there!....fantastic! > > Lets assume that I'm upto date with my news and only have a few postings > in my group......what If I want to see the old ones again....I've tried > unSubscribing and reSubscribing but that doesn't bring back all the old > postings that I've already read.......is there a way to achieve this? > > Scott Rigby. > scott@nelly.mat.univie.ac.at > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 21:30:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29688; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:30:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20593; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:23:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20581; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:23:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmwRk-00000iC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Disconnected use of wpine..??? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:48:00 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35kl1a$t0f@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35kl1a$t0f@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Exactly this mode of operation is one of our goals, but we have quite a long road to get there yet............. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 19 Sep 1994, Alexis Messaris wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to figure out if it is possible to use wpine to do the following. I > would appreciate any help/ideas/comments... > > I am using wpine under ms-windows over ppp. Is it possible for me to access > the mailbox on my server, then somehow cache some and/or all messages to the > pc, then disconnect from the net (close ppp connection) go on a trip (or outside > in my backyard), read, reply, delete, and send new mail, then reconnect with > my server and have all my changes played back and my mailbox updated. I suspect > that this is possible with the use of IMAP but I have no idea if I can or how > I can do it with wpine. > > Again I would appreciate any help. Please send me e-mail unless you think that > your reply would be interesting to others in which case you can post it on the group. > Thanks again, > > Alex > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 22:00:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00498; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:00:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05121; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:53:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05115; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:53:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmwxU-00000iC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 21:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: coopeaf@mail.auburn.edu (Aaron F Cooper) Subject: Tag in Pine Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 02:48:17 GMT Is there a way to tag multi message to save or export in PINE. I like to save the different subjects to a folder and down load the folder to Word Perfect to edit and store. Any info would be great. Thanks in Advance. (KNARF) coopeaf@mail.auburn.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 22:27:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01068; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:27:40 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21400; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:21:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rigel.infinet.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21394; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:21:22 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qmxds-000DLpC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 01:21 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 01:21:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: Re: Disconnected use of wpine..??? To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to have pine on my pc, which version would I use? I have dos 6.2, win 3.1 on a 486sx. Dave ___ **************************************************************************** |No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads!| **************************************************************************** | Dave M. Harvey PGP 2.61 Public Key available. | | PO Box 151311 Finger warrior@infinet.com.us | | Columbus, OH 43215-8311 dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 22:42:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01481; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:42:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21609; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:36:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21603; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:36:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmxXH-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Date: 19 Sep 1994 17:12:36 -0400 Message-Id: <35kus4$t7s@universe.digex.net> References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> In article <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu>, doug@cc.ysu.edu wrote: > >On the other hand, I've used elm for years and am very comfortable with >vi. Of course, using elm does not tie one to using vi. > However, I'll choose pine over elm hands-down for MIME messages, the >present "invoke metamail" solution doesn't "do much" for me. > And I'd say that this is true for sending simple MIME messages. But since elm has had metamail hacked into it, elm's MIME interface is more global. (This makes it especially nice on reading MIME messages.) So, for me, there are two things that I really like about pine: (1) It is real nice for browsing folders, and (2) You can edit the expanded aliases in the message headers. and at least one thing that I like about elm: (1) It's small and, therefore, faster. FWIW, I've configured both of them to behave as close to one another as possible (same Mail directory, folder styles, queries regarding writes, etc) and use the best one for the job at hand. cheers, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 19 22:51:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01693; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:51:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05833; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:43:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05825; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:43:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmxjd-00000kC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu Subject: SIGS & Quoting problem? Message-Id: <1994Sep19.223528.174@muvms6> Date: 19 Sep 94 22:35:28 EDT Greetings -- I have a question. Anytime I quote a message in my reply to the quoted message, Pine puts the Quoted text AFTER the sig file, am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance...... -- __________________________________________________ | Ò Ú ÒÄÄ¿ ÖÄÄ¿ KSELLARD@MUVMS6.MU.WVNET.EDU | | ÇÄÁ¿ ÇÄ º ³ A cats worst enemy is a closed | | Ð Á ÐÄÄÙ Ð Á door - Mine's a closed network.| | ÖÄ¿ ÒÄÄ¿ Ò Ò ÖÄÄ¿ ÒÄÄ¿ ÒÄÄ¿ ÖÄ¿ )- *( | | ÓÄ¿ ÇÄ º º ÇÄÄ´ ÇÄÂÙ º ³ ÓÄ¿ \^/ | | ÓÄÄÙ ÐÄÄÙ ÐÄÄÙ ÐÄÄÙ Ð Á Ð Á ÐÄÄÙ ÓÄÄÙ V | `------------------------------------------------' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 00:30:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03887; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:30:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23018; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:14:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23012; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:14:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmz9G-00000IC; Mon, 19 Sep 94 23:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edel@stein3.u.washington.edu (Herbert Edelhertz) Subject: Re: Printing with HP LaserJet 4L Date: 20 Sep 1994 03:40:11 GMT Message-Id: <35llir$t8f@news.u.washington.edu> References: <35lfdp$hte@sashimi.wwa.com> This message seems almost the reverse of my problem, and I wonder if they can be connected. I can print very well from Pine, but the problem is that my HPLaserejet III spits out an extra blank page at the end of every item being printed. In addition, I have the same problem when I print out a newsgroup item in tin. I'll be interested to see the followup messages. Maurice S. Kaprow (rabmoe@wwa.com) wrote: : I have been having difficulty getting mt HP LaserJet 4L printer to eject : the last page when printing from PINE. Also, I can't the printer to : print blank lines. I know the line feed and form feed codes are being : sent, but the printer does not receive them (or do what they tell it to do). : I am using an IBM clone PC. My communications packsge is BitCom 5.3B. I : print PINE with option 1, Print to attached ANSI printer. I am emulating : a vt100 terminal with ANSI support. : Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks. : Moe Kaprow From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 00:43:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04346; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:43:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07248; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:29:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07242; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:29:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmzF5-00000iC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rabmoe@wwa.com (Maurice S. Kaprow) Subject: Printing with HP LaserJet 4L Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:55:04 -0500 Message-Id: <35lfdp$hte@sashimi.wwa.com> I have been having difficulty getting mt HP LaserJet 4L printer to eject the last page when printing from PINE. Also, I can't the printer to print blank lines. I know the line feed and form feed codes are being sent, but the printer does not receive them (or do what they tell it to do). I am using an IBM clone PC. My communications packsge is BitCom 5.3B. I print PINE with option 1, Print to attached ANSI printer. I am emulating a vt100 terminal with ANSI support. Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks. Moe Kaprow From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 01:08:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05072; Tue, 20 Sep 94 01:08:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23547; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:56:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23541; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:56:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qmzmO-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 00:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tracker@netcom.com (Craig) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 06:07:03 GMT Raymond Cheung (h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk) wrote: : Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? I prefer Pine over Elm because Pine is the easiest to use and seems to be more powerful for the average user. I can get as technical as people want, but prefer ease of use and good power. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= // Only believe in quality: \\ \\ 1)AT&T, Motorola/Codex, Multi-Tech, // // Telebit, ZyXEL. \\ \\ 2)Untouchable, Dr. Solomon's AVTK, // // AVP, F-Prot, TBAV. \\ =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 06:10:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12051; Tue, 20 Sep 94 06:10:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11882; Tue, 20 Sep 94 05:53:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pacific.kutztown.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11876; Tue, 20 Sep 94 05:53:34 -0700 Received: by pacific (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13549; Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:54:50 +0500 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "James D. Gillmore" X-Sender: gillmore@pacific To: CV Conference LOC Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mass mailing with pine In-Reply-To: <35a9n1$c35@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 411 On 15 Sep 1994, CV Conference LOC wrote: > I'd like to send a message to over 400 e-mail addresses, to announce a > meeting we're having. If I use pine to do this, how can I prevent 400 e-mail > addresses from appearing in the message header? Much better would be the > one-line name of the distribution list. Thanks, Fred Ringwald > Place the addresses in the BCC and they will not show. Jim Gillmore From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 07:33:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14474; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:33:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13526; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:26:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13520; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:26:15 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 20 Sep 94 22:23:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 22:23:25 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: SIGS & Quoting problem? In-Reply-To: <1994Sep19.223528.174@muvms6> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Sep 1994 ksellard@muvms6.wvnet.edu wrote: > Greetings -- I have a question. Anytime I quote a message in my reply > to the quoted message, Pine puts the Quoted text AFTER the sig file, am > I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance...... No, but you have a choice where you want your signature to go. Go into "SetUp" and into "Configure" look around and you will find an option for "signature at bottom". Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 07:33:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14508; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:33:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13456; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:23:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13440; Tue, 20 Sep 94 07:22:56 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 20 Sep 94 22:19:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 22:19:57 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: John Red-Horse Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine VS elm In-Reply-To: <35kus4$t7s@universe.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 19 Sep 1994, John Red-Horse wrote: > And I'd say that this is true for sending simple MIME messages. But since > elm has had metamail hacked into it, elm's MIME interface is more global. > (This makes it especially nice on reading MIME messages.) Wouldn't you say since pine 3.90 supports a .mailcap file that it is just as "global" in this respect as elm? Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 09:08:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18548; Tue, 20 Sep 94 09:08:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00806; Tue, 20 Sep 94 09:00:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00800; Tue, 20 Sep 94 09:00:36 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02049; Tue, 20 Sep 94 08:59:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 08:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jim Durkin , Todd Idler Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine folder-collections setup problem In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, Todd: I'm not sure about the FCC/sent-mail problem (send more details to pine-bugs if you have them), but the missing two characters in the folder names sounds like you might be using the bogus version of imapd for Suns that was originally in our /pine/unix-bin directory. A corrected version is there now. If that doesn't explain it, send more info on your environment. The "off by two" bug has to do with a mismatch in Sun's BSD vs. SVR4 library routines for reading directories. -teg On Sat, 17 Sep 1994, Jim Durkin wrote: > Todd Idler (idler@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote: > : However, when I go to my folder list, all of my folders have the first > : two letters chopped off. It also lists 'mail/' as a folder. If I > : attempt to look at one of these folders, it says it cannot find the > : folder. Yet I can save to these folders. A related problem is that > : I cannot save fcc's to a folder on my imap server. The first time it > : works. After that it asks if I want to create a sentmail folder, > : and when I type 'Y', it says that the folder already exists. > : Consequently, it doesn't send the message. > > : If anyone has any suggestions, please post or mail me. Thanks. > > I am having similar problems and would like to get the same advice posted > here or in email. Thanks in advance > > -- > Jim > jdurkin@netcom.com > jim.durkin@index.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 11:45:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24447; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:45:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19679; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:39:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19673; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:39:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qn9Oe-000010C; Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@andrew.triumf.ca (Andrew Daviel) Subject: Suggestion: gzip folder option Date: 20 Sep 1994 17:23:47 GMT Message-Id: <35n5r3$6qj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Just an idea. For those that don't believe in deleting mail, how about an option to transparently use compressed folder files like zcat, zgrep, etc. --

    Andrew Daviel , TRIUMF , Vancouver, Canada


    advax@triumf.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 12:05:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25610; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:05:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04894; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:58:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04888; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:58:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qn9gj-000019C; Tue, 20 Sep 94 11:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: valko@cyberspace.com (Jack Valko) Subject: Pine 3.89 oddity Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:34:59 -0700 Message-Id: <35n6g3$2dt@case.cyberspace.com> I'm having a *minor* problem with a pine install. When sending email locally, I would like to trim out the hostname and have *only* the domain name to reply to. This is not working. Instead, only the hostname is appearing. Below is my pine.conf file (with the comments trimmed out to save bandwidth). Any help would be appreciated. Jack --- Included File --- # /usr/local/lib/pine.conf -- system wide pine configuration user-domain= smtp-server= inbox-path=/var/spool/mail/$USER incoming-folders= folder-collections= news-collections= default-fcc= mail-directory= read-message-folder= signature-file=.signature address-book= feature-list=old-growth, no-quit-without-confirm initial-keystroke-list= saved-msg-name-rule= sort-key= character-set= editor= image-viewer= use-only-domain-name= printer= standard-printer= bugs-nickname=pine bugs-fullname=Pine Developers bugs-address=pine@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 12:37:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26956; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:37:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05631; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:30:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05625; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:30:46 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10540; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:30:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: Jack Valko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 oddity In-Reply-To: <35n6g3$2dt@case.cyberspace.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jack, There are some unresolved reports of problems in this area with 3.90, but since you are not using 3.90... There are two ways to have Pine append only the host-less domain name to incomplete addresses: 1. Set the "user-domain" variable. e.g. "user-domain=cyberspace.com" 2. Set "use-only-domain-name=yes" but also make sure that your /etc/hosts file lists your host with its *full* name first, and the nickname last. Note that Pine is a strictly RFC822 mailer and makes no distinction between local and non-local mail. -teg On 20 Sep 1994, Jack Valko wrote: > I'm having a *minor* problem with a pine install. When sending email > locally, I would like to trim out the hostname and have *only* the domain > name to reply to. This is not working. Instead, only the hostname is > appearing. Below is my pine.conf file (with the comments trimmed out to > save bandwidth). Any help would be appreciated. > > Jack > > --- Included File --- > # /usr/local/lib/pine.conf -- system wide pine configuration > > user-domain= > > smtp-server= > > inbox-path=/var/spool/mail/$USER > > incoming-folders= > > folder-collections= > > news-collections= > > default-fcc= > > mail-directory= > > read-message-folder= > > signature-file=.signature > > address-book= > > feature-list=old-growth, no-quit-without-confirm > > initial-keystroke-list= > > saved-msg-name-rule= > > sort-key= > > character-set= > > editor= > > image-viewer= > > use-only-domain-name= > > printer= > > standard-printer= > > bugs-nickname=pine > > bugs-fullname=Pine Developers > > bugs-address=pine@u.washington.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 12:42:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27291; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:42:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20940; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:35:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hibbert.meiko.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20927; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:35:35 -0700 Received: by hibbert.meiko.com id AA16996 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:35:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:35:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Stok To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine 3.90a hangs/dies with corrupt mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1426063669-1205667322-780089730=:16985" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1426063669-1205667322-780089730=:16985 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of the users here had a problem where Pine 3.90a would just hang at start-up time when he invoked it. After some investigation he determined that it was the attached message out of the hundreds in his inbox which was the culprit. If it's saved as a mail folder then invoking pine on it results in this: mike@hibbert{q9}[4] pine -f elr.n Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. zsh: 16992 floating point exception pine -f elr.n but when it's in the inbox all that happens is pine seems to hang up. (the message has two 'From ' lines, removing either of them "fixes" the problem) Mike -- The "usual disclaimers" apply. | Meiko Mike Stok | 130C Baker Ave. Ext Mike.Stok@meiko.concord.ma.us | Concord, MA 01742 Meiko tel: (508) 371 0088 x124 | --1426063669-1205667322-780089730=:16985 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="elr.n" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: bad mail message RnJvbSBFcmljLlJvd2VAbWVpa28uY29tIFRodSBTZXAgIDEgMTY6MzY6MTcg MTk5NA0KRnJvbSBtY2tlbm5leSBXZWQgQXVnIDMxIDE4OjIzOjA2IDE5OTQN CkRhdGU6IFdlZCwgMzEgQXVnIDE5OTQgMTg6MjM6MDUgLTA0MDANCkZyb206 IEJydWNlIE1jS2VubmV5IDxCcnVjZS5NY0tlbm5leUBtZWlrby5jb20+DQpU bzogRXJpYy5Sb3dlQG1laWtvLmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogTWlub3IgZml4ZXMN CkNvbnRlbnQtTGVuZ3RoOiA0NzINClgtTGluZXM6IDEzDQpTdGF0dXM6IFJP DQoNCiAgIEdvaW5nIHRocm91Z2ggbXkgdHJlZSwgSSBhbHNvIHJhbiBhY3Jv c3MgYSBjb3VwbGUgb2YgbWlub3IgY2hhbmdlcw0KSSBtYWRlIHRvIHRoZSBl bGFuIGFuZCB2cHUgc2VnbWVudCBkcml2ZXJzOiBlYWNoIG9mIHRoZW0gaGFz IGEgDQp4eHhfZ2V0dnAgZW50cnkgd2hpY2ggaGFzIG5vIHJldHVybiBzdGF0 ZW1lbnQsIHNvIGFsbCBJIGRpZCB3YXMNCmFkZCBhIHJldHVybigwKSB0byBz ZWd2cHVfZ2V0dnAgYW5kIHNlZ2VsYW5fZ2V0dnAuDQogICBJbiBwcmFjdGlj ZSBwcmdldHZub2RlIGRvZXNuJ3QgY2FyZSBtdWNoIGFib3V0IHRoZSByZXN1 bHRzLCBzbw0KdGhlc2UgYXJlIG5vdCBoaWdoLXVyZ2VuY3kgY2hhbmdlcywg YnV0IHRoZXkgbWF5YmUgaXQncyB1c2VmdWwgdG8NCnB1dCB0aGVtIGluIHdo aWxlIHdlJ3JlIHRoaW5raW5nIGFib3V0IHRoZW0uDQoNCiAgIEJydWNlDQo= --1426063669-1205667322-780089730=:16985-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 13:14:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28929; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:14:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21910; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:06:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21898; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:06:36 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnB7w-00000LC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Date: 20 Sep 1994 15:36:48 -0400 Message-Id: <35ndkg$hoc@universe.digex.net> References: <35kus4$t7s@universe.digex.net> In article , egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com wrote: > > Wouldn't you say since pine 3.90 supports a .mailcap file that >it is just as "global" in this respect as elm? > Not unless it addresses all MIME-types in the way that metamail, et al, do. Perhaps it does and I'm just not aware of that fact. cheers, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 13:16:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29085; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:16:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06779; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:11:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06773; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:11:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnBGu-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 12:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Looking for people to write about Internet Mail Secrets Message-Id: <1994Sep20.050655.13496@chico.iecc.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 05:06:55 GMT I'm putting together the upcoming "Internet Secrets" to be published by IDG Books. Secrets books are compilations of tips and tricks from expert users, and I'm looking for some people who are interesting in contributing to the book. All contributions are credited (unless for some reason you want to be anonymous) and you get a copy of the book when it comes out (it's a $49.95 book, don't laugh). For substantial chunks, like a full chapter, we can offer modest amounts of actual money. Topics we're looking for range from the utterly technical (how to tune a WWW server) to the fairly sociological (is it really a bad idea to e-mail credit card info). There will also be disks in the back; so we're looking for interesting software for the disks, particularly stuff to help you get up and running, since once you're on the net FTP is easier. In particular, we're looking for someone to write about the major mail programs (elm, mh, etc.) and try to explain why you might prefer one over the other. The more grotty warts, the better. Material need not be 100% new; in many cases an adaptation of an existing FAQ would be great. Even though FAQs tend to change every month, for many readers a printed version of a FAQ is still very useful since A) you can get it before you have net access and B) you can read it in the bathroom. We'd want a pointer to the on-line FAQ, of course, so people can get the latest versions. If interested, drop me a line at contrib@dummies.com. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, jlevine@delphi.com, 1037498@mcimail.com -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869 johnl@iecc.com, jlevine@delphi.com, 1037498@mcimail.com "Space aliens are stealing American jobs." - Stanford econ professor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 14:00:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00960; Tue, 20 Sep 94 14:00:08 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22828; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:41:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22820; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:41:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnBjW-00000iC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Debbie Teale Subject: Re: pine VS elm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:54:53 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Raymond Cheung (h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk) wrote: > > : Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? > Being an e-mail support person I could recount several pros/cons either way but personally I miss the j/k keys when using pine :) Why.. 'cause I like to keep my hands on the home row like I was taught. Deborah Teale, UCS E-mail: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 14:02:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01232; Tue, 20 Sep 94 14:02:31 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07715; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:53:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07709; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:53:06 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14304; Tue, 20 Sep 94 13:52:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Hubert To: John Red-Horse Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine VS elm In-Reply-To: <35ndkg$hoc@universe.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Sep 1994, John Red-Horse wrote: > In article , > egreshko@hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com wrote: > > > > Wouldn't you say since pine 3.90 supports a .mailcap file that > >it is just as "global" in this respect as elm? > > > > Not unless it addresses all MIME-types in the way that metamail, et al, > do. Perhaps it does and I'm just not aware of that fact. > > cheers, > john Pine's mailcap support is definitely immature at this point. It does not do everything you'd want it to do yet. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 15:25:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04807; Tue, 20 Sep 94 15:25:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09638; Tue, 20 Sep 94 15:21:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09632; Tue, 20 Sep 94 15:21:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnDHR-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 15:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us (susan h allen) Subject: Need SCO binaries Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <35nfve$r1t@dns1.NMSU.Edu> We have been using pine3.90 on our dgux aviion machine for a month or two now, and I want to put it on a secondary SCO Unix 486 server. However, we only have a runtime OS -- can anyone point me to compiled SCO binaries for pine3.90, imap etc? Thanks... ********************************** Susan H. Allen susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us ********************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 16:15:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07541; Tue, 20 Sep 94 16:15:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26655; Tue, 20 Sep 94 16:11:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26649; Tue, 20 Sep 94 16:11:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnE4k-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 15:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: clive@erase (E. Clive Bard) Subject: pine 3.90 rsh problem Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:25:18 GMT Message-Id: <35ngfe$o7c@maelstrom.timeplex.com> I've been looking into why Pine seems so slow to start and I think I have discovered that it is related to the fact that it is trying to rsh to my remote host rather than open a tcp connection to port 143. Is there an easy way to shut off the rsh feature, since none of my Pine hosts support rsh'ing to my mail server and I don' like waiting for my mail to open... _______________________________________________________________ Clive Bard, Network Administrator E-Mail: clive@nda.com Net Daemons Associates, Inc. `Computer Networking Solutions' 400 West Cummings Park, Suite 4250 (617) 937-3338 Woburn, MA 02108 Beeper: (508) 426-7114 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 17:20:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11178; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:20:41 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28394; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:16:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28388; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:16:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnF4T-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 16:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine 3.90 rsh problem Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 16:34:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35ngfe$o7c@maelstrom.timeplex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35ngfe$o7c@maelstrom.timeplex.com> inbox-path={server:143}INBOX ^^^^ etc... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 20 Sep 1994, E. Clive Bard wrote: > I've been looking into why Pine seems so slow to start and I think I have > discovered that it is related to the fact that it is trying to rsh to my > remote host rather than open a tcp connection to port 143. Is there an easy > way to shut off the rsh feature, since none of my Pine hosts support > rsh'ing to my mail server and I don' like waiting for my mail to open... > _______________________________________________________________ > Clive Bard, Network Administrator E-Mail: clive@nda.com > Net Daemons Associates, Inc. `Computer Networking Solutions' > 400 West Cummings Park, Suite 4250 (617) 937-3338 > Woburn, MA 02108 Beeper: (508) 426-7114 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 17:37:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11610; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:37:16 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12895; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:31:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12887; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:31:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnFKa-00000sC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: solarie@mayfield.hp.com (Eric P. Solari) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:51:55 GMT Message-Id: <35nsir$ah9@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com> References: i agree. it would be nice if there were a way to re-map the key bindings. Debbie Teale (teale@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: > > > > Raymond Cheung (h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk) wrote: > > > > : Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? > > > Being an e-mail support person I could recount several pros/cons either > way but personally I miss the j/k keys when using pine :) Why.. 'cause I > like to keep my hands on the home row like I was taught. > Deborah Teale, UCS > E-mail: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric P. Solari solarie@mayfield.hp.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 17:40:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11700; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:40:59 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28741; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:36:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28735; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:36:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnFOH-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: pine 3.90 bug under Solaris 2.3? Date: 20 Sep 1994 15:32:16 GMT Message-Id: <35mva0$j8b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <357bq8$md9@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) writes: >Every once in a while since installing pine 3.90 on our solaris 2.3 system >I've been catching pine processes that have gone into a tight loop. The problem >appears to be caused by the user having logoff (probably forcefully) and pine >not picking up on the fact that he should now go away. We get exactly the same thing with 3.89. It seems to happen more on our SPARCServer 2000 than our 1000. We have no ideas why. I was just able to induce it by sending the pine's parent ksh a SIGKILL, but then the next few time I was not able to induce it. If anyone has any suggestions, please come forth. :-) -- David Lemson (217) 244-8833 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 18:24:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12914; Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:24:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29455; Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:18:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29449; Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:18:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnFtv-00000LC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 17:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jness@d.umn.edu (Joel Ness) Subject: Re: Printing to local Mac printer. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:27:32 -0600 Message-Id: References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> In article <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu>, aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Aaron Vinck) wrote: > I have not ever been able to get a Mac to print to a local printer when > trying to print from pine. (My connection is through a > dial-up connection to a unix account.) > >From what I've seen, getting the attached-to-ansi feature to work depends on your local software. Pine just sends the same escape sequences and it's up to your program to handle it. Mac Kermit handles it poorly; Mac Telnet 2.5 won't work - but Mac Telnet 2.6 works fine. I believe I've tried Microphone Light and got it to work with a Laser Printer so it could be something with your HP software. Try selecting the LaserWriter driver and turning on background printing. You won't be able to get output, of course, but if things work okay you should at least get a file spooled to disk and find out whether Microphone Light works or not with Pine's attached-to-ansi mode. _________________________ Joel Ness UMD Information Services jness@d.umn.edu (218) 726-8841 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 20:21:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15464; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:21:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01245; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:16:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01239; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:16:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnHsg-00000LC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 19:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: e0f8et4k@tuzo.erin (ESPINOZA JAIME C) Subject: Mail FIltering (again) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 02:30:21 GMT Hi. I know there have probably been numerous people asking this question, but not until recently have I had this problem. I would like to know how to filter incoming messages from users. In other words, I don't want to receive any mail from certain people. I understand that this is what is called 'kill file'? I attempted to set up a .filter program suggested here some months back, but I am not sure if it is even being executed by pine, or I have to manually execute it each time? Apparently it is not working! If someone could be so kind to please tell me what I can do, I will appreciate it tremendously. Respond here or through email. Thank you. Jaime -- . | , Help! I can't type with this strait jacket on! .8~ . , ~8. __\|/__ o o Y$@@$"~qp~"$@@$P \ ! / !Y~` e0f8et4k@tuzo.erin.utoronto.ca '~Y! d*8LJ8*b rev13.18 / ) o Jaime 'Ravenger' Espinoza o ( \ !"'! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 21:00:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16117; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:00:03 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15519; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:56:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15513; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:56:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnIXL-00000LC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gmartz@nwcl.nwcl.net Subject: Re: Need SCO binaries Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:33:47 -700 (PDT) Message-Id: References: <35nfve$r1t@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35nfve$r1t@dns1.NMSU.Edu> On 20 Sep 1994, susan h allen wrote: > OS -- can anyone point me to compiled SCO binaries for > pine3.90, imap etc? Thanks... nwcl.nwcl.net (/pub/sco-ports) Greg Martz (gmartz@nwcl.net)|NorthWest CommLink - Your Gateway to the Internet Voice [+1 206 336 0103] |(shell, menu, SLIP, PPP) in Skagit County, WA info@nwcl.net for more info |Mt. Vernon's *first* Internet Provider From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 21:03:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16206; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:03:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01793; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:59:51 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01787; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:59:46 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:57:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:57:03 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: ESPINOZA JAIME C Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Mail FIltering (again) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, ESPINOZA JAIME C wrote: > Hi. I know there have probably been numerous people asking this > question, but not until recently have I had this problem. > > I would like to know how to filter incoming messages from users. > In other words, I don't want to receive any mail from certain people. > I understand that this is what is called 'kill file'? > > I attempted to set up a .filter program suggested here some months > back, but I am not sure if it is even being executed by pine, or > I have to manually execute it each time? Apparently it is not > working! > > If someone could be so kind to please tell me what I can do, I > will appreciate it tremendously. Respond here or through email. What you want is either "procmail", "filter" (from the elm distribution) or one of a number of other programs that will process incoming email. These are seprate from pine. You don't *normally* don't run them manually either. The are invoked automatically when mail is delivered. You can get procmail from: A recent version can be picked up at various comp.sources.misc archives. The latest version can be obtained directly from the ftp-archive at: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.225.3) as (g)zipped tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz <160KB as compressed tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.Z <224KB Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 21:05:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16249; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:05:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01861; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:01:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01855; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:01:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnIZz-00000iC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 20:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lachlan@dmp.csiro.au (Lachlan Cranswick) Subject: UNIX Pine Brilliance - printing via PC or MAC terminal Message-Id: <1994Sep20.132118.14674@dmp.csiro.au> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:21:18 GMT Hi, I (and quite a few other users here) are very impressed with the way the UNIX pine email program can print to a local PC or Mac printer while in a telnet session. ("Y" - print) Is there an equivalent stand alone program like pico to print any file to a local DOS or Mac printer from a telnet session. In pine, this is done via ANSI codes? If not a stand alone program, is there a way pine can do this. A few staff here use pico not as an editor but as a UNIX file manager for deleting and renaming files. Hopefully the same can be done with printing? Thanks in advance, Lachlan. -- Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 PO Box 124, Port Melbourne \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 3207 AUSTRALIA v From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 21:25:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16633; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:25:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15867; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:21:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15861; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:21:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnIsU-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 21:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ericr@access3.digex.net (Eric Rosenberg) Subject: How To Set Up PC-Pine Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:44:54 -0400 Message-Id: I got PC-Pine 3.90 from the update server, but am confused as to how I set it up on my workstation (a 386/20 hooked up to a Novell network and then the Internet host running A/UX). The documentation is pretty sparse, and my sysop isn't being helpful/cooperative. YOUR help is greatly appreciated and needed! Email your responses directly, please!! Thanks, Eric - Eric Rosenberg WD3Q, EI4VPS, YJ0AER, J20BY, etc. Volunteers In Technical Assistance voice: +703-276-1800 1600 Wilson Blvd., Suite 500 fax: +703-243-1865 Arlington, VA 22209 USA ericr@access.digex.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 23:15:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19314; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:15:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03995; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:11:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03989; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:11:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnKdT-00000LC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 22:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 05:19:58 GMT References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> In article <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu>, Doug Sewell wrote: >Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com) wrote: >: h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) writes: > >: > Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? > >: I prefer elm. My users prefer pine. > >This sums up my experience completely, as well. > >New users are even starting to use pine for usenet reading, finding it >easier to use than tin, and with Pico integrated for both news and mail. On a side-track, I've got complaints about both - neither lend themselves well to "infosurfing" - most UNIX curses based applications I use (lynx, gopher, custom stuff) can be controlled using the arrow keys, and are arranged in a hierarchical structure. Neither have the structure I'd like to see: +--- +--- | | Folder list ---+--- Messages ---| Message Text | | +--- +--- Both Pine and Elm approach this, but both shuffle folder changing off to one side. I'd like to start off in my inbox (and have Pine set up to do that), but moving around when you have the above topology in mind is "difficult". My biggest (read HUGE, read the reason I only touch it to read metamail things our Elm setup doesn't support like richtext and saving attachments) grip about Pine is that you can't "surf" with it; in Elm (and trn for that matter), once you're moving in the right direction, hitting space lets you keep going. Pine doesn't. Which forces you to keep track of where you are in the above type of hierarchy - and remember, I'm lazy. I want the best of both worlds. Just some late night ramblings. :) Joshua -- "There's far too much to take in here, | MIME: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca more to find than can ever be found." | WWW: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~jsbell/ - Tim Rice, "The Circle of Life" | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 23:25:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19522; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:25:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17735; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:21:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17729; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:21:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnKoF-00000iC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il (Susan Feingold) Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 05:33:57 GMT Message-Id: References: <34qvio$ga5@ns.oar.net> cancelled from rn. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 20 23:36:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19758; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:36:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04285; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:31:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04279; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:31:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnKw3-00000IC; Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: UNIX Pine Brilliance - printing via PC or MAC terminal Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:04:06 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep20.132118.14674@dmp.csiro.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Sep20.132118.14674@dmp.csiro.au> There is a very short program called ansiprt in the contrib/utils directory of the Pine source distribution that will print from a Telnet session. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 20 Sep 1994, Lachlan Cranswick wrote: > Hi, > > I (and quite a few other users here) are > very impressed with the way the UNIX pine email program can > print to a local PC or Mac printer while in > a telnet session. ("Y" - print) > > Is there an equivalent stand alone program like > pico to print any file to a local DOS or Mac > printer from a telnet session. In pine, this > is done via ANSI codes? > > If not a stand alone program, is there a way pine can do > this. A few staff here use pico not as an editor but > as a UNIX file manager for deleting and renaming files. > Hopefully the same can be done with printing? > > Thanks in advance, > > Lachlan. > > -- > Lachlan Cranswick - CSIRO _--_|\ lachlan@dmp.CSIRO.AU > Division of Mineral Products / \ tel +61 3 647 0367 > PO Box 124, Port Melbourne \_.--._/ fax +61 3 646 3223 > 3207 AUSTRALIA v > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 01:41:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23425; Wed, 21 Sep 94 01:41:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19778; Wed, 21 Sep 94 01:37:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19772; Wed, 21 Sep 94 01:37:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnMvX-00000jC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 01:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: luke@svpal.org (Luther Welsh Jr) Subject: Hack needed for PC Pine Date: 21 Sep 1994 00:38:42 -0700 Message-Id: <35onu2$kpt@svpal.svpal.org> We are looking for a hack for the Windows version of PC Pine 3.90. Our host is an exceedingly slow Sun Unix box. Many of us poor users wish to run Pine locally, but without a SMPT Server. At this point, we can download (via Zmodem) our INBOX and any folders that we may have. Then, we can view/compose our e-mail at our leisure. We'd also be able to archive our mail. The problem arises when we try to [C]ompose or [R]eply. We would like for Pine to invoke "our favorite" text editor, from which we could simply save a text file that we could later upload to our host. From there we'd invoke Unix Pine, [^R]ead in our text file and then mail it. Unfortunately, PC Pine issues the error: Cannot send message without an open remote folder the instant we try to [C]ompose or [R]eply. Does anybody out there have a hack.....please. +-------------- .-. .- -.. .. --- .- -.-. - .. ...- .. - -.-- ---------+ | Luke Welsh |"Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich"|June 95| | luke@svpal.org |<"I am both your servant and your master">|California| |Mersenne@aol.com| Kraftwerk, The Voice Of Energy | IH8UNIX | +------------- ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... --------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 02:36:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24524; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:36:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07056; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:32:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07050; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:32:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnNlQ-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jonpi@eskimo.com (John Piekarski) Subject: Re: Printing to local Mac printer. Message-Id: References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:06:08 GMT Aaron Vinck (aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have not ever been able to get a Mac to print to a local printer when : trying to print from pine. (My connection is through a : dial-up connection to a unix account.) : I have a Mac LC with a HP DeskWriter. (I print through a print spooler : program called "HP PrintMonitor" that comes with the Deskwriter). My : communications software is Microphone LT. : I have no problems printing to a locally attached printer at work, but : it's a PC, not a Mac. My wife, who has a Mac at work, cannot get her Mac : to print to her office printer to either (also a dial-up connection). : When you invoke the "print" command in pine, it asks "print using : `attached-to-ANSI?'" (What other choice to I have?) I answer "yes." : Then a Mac dialogue box pops up that reads: : An error #-192 occured while trying to print. : Please check your printer. : ---- : |ok| : ---- : I click on "OK," and then pine says: : [Printing to attached desktop printer.] : But, nothing happens. Nothing prints. (And I have a hard time getting : pine to move on to something else (it thinks it's still printing). : Is there some special trick to get pine (version 3.90) to print to a : local Mac printer? : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : Aaron Vinck : aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- There doesn't seem to be. I have problems doing just about anything else Unix-related on my Mac, but I can easily print to my Laserwriter. I just followed the instructions in Pine's SETUP menu and everything worked fine. I have Microphone Pro, so I know Microphone products can do this. Perhaps there is a problem in your Microphone transfer settings. JonPi Tacoma WA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 02:55:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24978; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:55:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20708; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:52:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20702; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:52:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnO3p-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 02:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Llewellyn Subject: Re: pine VS elm Message-Id: References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 05:02:03 GMT In article <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu>, Doug Sewell wrote: >Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com) wrote: >: h9204311@hkux2.hku.hk (Raymond Cheung) writes: > >: > Pine and Elm, which one you prefer? and why? > >: I prefer elm. My users prefer pine. > >This sums up my experience completely, as well. > >New users are even starting to use pine for usenet reading, finding it >easier to use than tin, and with Pico integrated for both news and mail. How is pine at threaded newsreading? Can it manage threads? If so, how? I've been using trn, which manages threads quite well. I'd use pine if it were better at it. -- ===================================================================== Regards, Bill Llewellyn ><> thinker@rahul.net I'll take on ANYBODY in a missppelling contest.... ===================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 03:03:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25192; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:03:09 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20795; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:00:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.fzu.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20787; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:00:07 -0700 Received: by sun2.fzu.cz id AA15780 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for info Pine ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:58:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:58:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wolf Pavel X-Sender: wolf@sun2 To: info Pine Subject: memory and PC-Pine 3.90 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you know, how much memory uses PC-Pine 3.90 ? My PC gets frozen running PC-Pine 3.90, while PC-Pine 3.89 in not the case. ------------------------------------------------------- | Pavel Wolf e-mail: wolf@fzu.cz | | Institute of Physics phone : +42 2 24 31 11 37 | | Czech Acad. Sci. +42 2 66 05 26 13 | | Na Slovance 2 fax : +42 2 312 31 84 | | CZ-180 40 Praha 8 home : +42 2 627 89 26 | ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 03:46:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26590; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:46:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07995; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:40:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07989; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:40:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnOmv-000019C; Wed, 21 Sep 94 03:20 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dave King Subject: Re: Where does (Unix) Pine look for the system pine.conf file? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 10:07:33 GMT Martin, The pine.conf.fixed file allows the pine/system administrator to setup Pine variables that are fixed and cannot be overridden by any user. Here is a copy of my pine.conf.fixed file: # System wide FIXED Pine options feature-list= disable-update-cmd, no-enable-suspend, no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd, no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd Dave ___________________________________________________________________ Dave King Admin. Computing Services Manager, University of Bristol RFC-822: Dave.King@bristol.ac.uk X.400: G=Dave;S=King;O=bristol;P=UK.AC;C=GB Telephone: 0117 9303961 On Mon, 19 Sep 1994 martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de wrote: > BTW could somebody explain the function of the pine.conf.fixed to me? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 04:33:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28658; Wed, 21 Sep 94 04:33:36 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22224; Wed, 21 Sep 94 04:22:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22218; Wed, 21 Sep 94 04:22:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnPPj-000015C; Wed, 21 Sep 94 04:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc_s551@kingston.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Subject: Re: posting error Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:09:24 GMT Message-Id: <35p0ok$qup@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> References: <34nq9h$1u9@APlatform.aplatform.com> michael (michael@APlatform.aplatform.com) wrote: : I am very pleased with pinbe v3.90. Good job ppl. However when I try to : post to a newsgroup I get "error posting message: 441 article not posted : - more included text than new". this means the news posting machine will not let you quote more of the article you are following up than new information you type. try deleating some of the lines of the article you are following up that are not relevant to the relpy : Any help would be appreciated.. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YES, the loonies are running the asylum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you have an american express card you are the problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 06:56:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02723; Wed, 21 Sep 94 06:56:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10946; Wed, 21 Sep 94 06:47:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10940; Wed, 21 Sep 94 06:47:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnRf1-000013C; Wed, 21 Sep 94 06:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: billy@utdallas.edu (Billy Barron) Subject: Re: pine VS tin (was Re: pine vs elm) Date: 21 Sep 1994 13:06:50 GMT Message-Id: <35pb5a$no3@news.utdallas.edu> References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> Bill Llewellyn writes: >> >>New users are even starting to use pine for usenet reading, finding it >>easier to use than tin, and with Pico integrated for both news and mail. > I'd like to hear more about this because when I tried to use PINE for newsreading, I found it much inferior and harder to use than tin. Note that on our "easy-to-use" machine, we default users to PICO instead of vi or emacs so they are using tin/pico. However, I have to admit that I am a NN user personally, but my users are using tin (nn is not public because it likes to crash in my environment and every once in a while destroy a .newsrc file). On the original topic, I agree with "I prefer Elm; my users prefer PINE". However, I've always used PINE for certain things like sending MIME, but with 3.90 I've gone from using PINE about 10% to closer to 25%. -- Billy Barron, Network Services Manager, Univ of Texas at Dallas billy@utdallas.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 08:39:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06337; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:39:58 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26164; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:33:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26158; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:33:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnTHZ-00000iC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Need SCO binaries Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:08:36 GMT Message-Id: References: <35nfve$r1t@dns1.NMSU.Edu> susan h allen (susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us) wrote: : We have been using pine3.90 on our dgux aviion machine : for a month or two now, and I want to put it on a secondary : SCO Unix 486 server. However, we only have a runtime : OS -- can anyone point me to compiled SCO binaries for : pine3.90, imap etc? Thanks... Check out anonymous FTP to soils.agron.iastate.edu in /pub/sco/unix/pine for a package of the various binaries of pine (Pine, Pico, Imapd, Ipop?d) and their associated man pages. However, know that there is a bug in the MMDF code of the shipping Pine source and binaries that, once in a blue moon, will make your Pine core-dump. By "once in a blue moon" I mean that when a message is placed perfectly within an 8K block, so you have a one-in-8000 chance of crashing, and then only if you have enough messages to put you into more than one 8K block. If this happens to you, clean up the lock files, and edit by hand the mailbox to remove any one character from an early message. That will shift the subsequent messages enough to not core-dump any more. The Pine folks know about the bug and have fixed it internally. It'll be better in the next release. It's not a simple patch, however, so it's not the sort of thing they can make available in a simple patch file. Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 08:40:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06364; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:40:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12967; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:33:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12958; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:33:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnTIK-00000kC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 08:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: pine VS tin (was Re: pine vs elm) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:19:52 GMT Message-Id: References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> <35pb5a$no3@news.utdallas.edu> Billy Barron (billy@utdallas.edu) wrote: : I'd like to hear more about this because when I tried to use PINE for : newsreading, I found it much inferior and harder to use than tin. : Note that on our "easy-to-use" machine, we default users to PICO instead : of vi or emacs so they are using tin/pico. However, I have to admit that : I am a NN user personally, but my users are using tin (nn is not public : because it likes to crash in my environment and every once in a while : destroy a .newsrc file). Well, Pine don't thread. Pine likes very much to treat everything as mail, so the subtle distinctions of mailing a reply or posting a followup are lost. One thing I like is that it's finally possible for me to post and mail a followup at the same moment (I use Tin, and I'm not aware that that function is supported). Pine is much less convenient for functions like killing a subject (though it's possible, it takes a bit of work), and for existing News readers (people, not programs), the change in approach is a bit weird. However, I expect for beginners brought up in Pine, it'll be just fine. Oh, one technical nit - the attribution line in followups (replies to the newsgroup, actually) don't mention the article we're citing. And I haven't looked at the "References:" headers. Does anyone know if these are handled properly? Gunther Anderson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 09:48:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09732; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:48:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27900; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:43:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27894; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:43:03 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnUTu-000014C; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ctaylor@desire.wright.edu (CHUCK TAYLOR) Subject: Personal_Name & Pine (VMS) Message-Id: <1994Sep21.101655.25043@desire> Date: 21 Sep 94 10:16:55 EST I just started using Pine 3.89 on a VMS system. Pine does not seem to read my personal_name although it uses others' personal_names and reads them into address book files. Suggestions on how to activate personal_name would be appreciated. Sincerely, -- Charles S. Taylor ctaylor@desire.wright.edu Professor of Philosophy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:22:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11074; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:22:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28639; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:18:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28633; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:18:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnUyv-00001FC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgm5318@u.cc.utah.edu (tim mcnaughton) Subject: testing again Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:25:33 -0600 Message-Id: <35pmpt$eas@u.cc.utah.edu> is the body included this time? #2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:22:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11076; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:22:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15798; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:18:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15792; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:18:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnUyt-00001DC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 09:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgm5318@u.cc.utah.edu (tim mcnaughton) Subject: testing: where's the message body Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:24:00 -0600 Message-Id: <35pmn0$e4r@u.cc.utah.edu> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:30:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11526; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:30:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15960; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:23:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15954; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:23:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnV6y-00001MC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgm5318@u.cc.utah.edu (tim mcnaughton) Subject: My message text gets lost! Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:40:13 -0600 Message-Id: <35pnld$glb@u.cc.utah.edu> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:31:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11640; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:31:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28877; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:28:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28871; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:28:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnVDO-00000LC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgm5318@u.cc.utah.edu (tim mcnaughton) Subject: testing yet again! Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:44:28 -0600 Message-Id: <35pntc$h68@u.cc.utah.edu> Wtiting body, using ^O and then ^X and then p (post) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:42:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12045; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:42:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16297; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:38:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16291; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:38:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnVLu-00000iC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tgm5318@u.cc.utah.edu (tim mcnaughton) Subject: testing Date: 21 Sep 1994 10:46:04 -0600 Message-Id: <35po0c$hff@u.cc.utah.edu> writing body, ^X p From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 10:52:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12462; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:52:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29363; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:48:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29357; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:48:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnVX6-00000qC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbw@norway..att.com (-David B. Wood) Subject: Re: pine VS elm Message-Id: References: <35nsir$ah9@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:05:19 GMT (Apologies to the purists ahead of time.) I prefer elm because it's better able to deal with the nasty Content-length stuff I get all the time from other SVR4-mailx-/bin/mail users. Pine simply separates all the included messages, while elm mostly gets them right. Dave Wood From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 11:07:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13192; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:07:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16973; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:03:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16967; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:03:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnVhb-000010C; Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us (susan h allen) Subject: Re: Need SCO binaries Date: 21 Sep 1994 17:03:46 GMT Message-Id: <35pp1i$68f@dns1.NMSU.Edu> References: <35nfve$r1t@dns1.NMSU.Edu> In article , gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) says: > >Check out anonymous FTP to soils.agron.iastate.edu in /pub/sco/unix/pine >for a package of the various binaries of pine (Pine, Pico, Imapd, Ipop?d) >and their associated man pages. > >However, know that there is a bug in the MMDF code of the shipping Pine >source and binaries that, once in a blue moon, will make your Pine >core-dump. By "once in a blue moon" I mean that when a message is placed >perfectly within an 8K block, so you have a one-in-8000 chance of >crashing, and then only if you have enough messages to put you into more >than one 8K block. If this happens to you, clean up the lock files, and >edit by hand the mailbox to remove any one character from an early >message. That will shift the subsequent messages enough to not core-dump >any more. > >The Pine folks know about the bug and have fixed it internally. It'll be >better in the next release. It's not a simple patch, however, so it's >not the sort of thing they can make available in a simple patch file. > >Gunther Anderson I have configured the sco machine to use sendmail -- will this bug still occur? Not that I will lose much sleep over it... Thanks very much!! ********************************** Susan H. Allen susana@co.dona-ana.nm.us ********************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 11:57:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14987; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:57:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00868; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:53:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00862; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:53:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnWVZ-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) Subject: net-news to inbox Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:08:52 GMT This may have been already addressed, if so please forgive me. My question is whether pine can move the net news information directly into the INBOX, so that you don't have to go to the net-news folders to read the mail? This is important for users who are using off-line mail readers. If they can get all of their usenet mail as regular e-mail, it would eliminate another logon to a computer, especially using dial up access. Thanks Jim Boyer e-mail: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Washington State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 12:00:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15180; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:00:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18248; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:56:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from spot.Colorado.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18242; Wed, 21 Sep 94 11:56:39 -0700 Received: from bersheba.Colorado.EDU (bersheba.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.144]) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id MAA28328; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:56:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Idler To: Terry Gray Cc: Jim Durkin , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC-Pine folder-collections setup problem X-Sender: idler@spot.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I talked to one of our system admins about this and he corrected the problem. All he told me was that he changed some of the code for imapd and recompiled it. It works fine now. --Todd On Tue, 20 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Jim, Todd: > > I'm not sure about the FCC/sent-mail problem (send more details to > pine-bugs if you have them), but the missing two characters in the folder > names sounds like you might be using the bogus version of imapd for Suns that > was originally in our /pine/unix-bin directory. A corrected version is > there now. If that doesn't explain it, send more info on your environment. > The "off by two" bug has to do with a mismatch in Sun's BSD vs. SVR4 > library routines for reading directories. > > -teg > > On Sat, 17 Sep 1994, Jim Durkin wrote: > > > Todd Idler (idler@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote: > > : However, when I go to my folder list, all of my folders have the first > > : two letters chopped off. It also lists 'mail/' as a folder. If I > > : attempt to look at one of these folders, it says it cannot find the > > : folder. Yet I can save to these folders. A related problem is that > > : I cannot save fcc's to a folder on my imap server. The first time it > > : works. After that it asks if I want to create a sentmail folder, > > : and when I type 'Y', it says that the folder already exists. > > : Consequently, it doesn't send the message. > > > > : If anyone has any suggestions, please post or mail me. Thanks. > > > > I am having similar problems and would like to get the same advice posted > > here or in email. Thanks in advance > > > > -- > > Jim > > jdurkin@netcom.com > > jim.durkin@index.com > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 12:33:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16182; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:33:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18908; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:29:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18902; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:29:14 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnX3Y-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Pine as newsreader Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The recent discussion about pine as a newsreader reminded me of this question about pines functionality as such. Does pine have the capability to check for new newsgroups? If not, it'd be really nice. If so, how? -- +-------------------+------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | University of Michigan | Systems Administrator | +-------------------+------------------+-----------+--------------------------+ | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 | Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 | (313) 763-5449 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu | Pager: (810) 617-8793 | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 12:50:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16666; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:50:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01867; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:45:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01861; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:45:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnXGr-00000kC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Personal_Name & Pine (VMS) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:23:14 -0700 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep21.101655.25043@desire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1994Sep21.101655.25043@desire> Are you using the Innosoft (PMDF) port or the Bourvine port of Pine to VMS? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 21 Sep 1994, CHUCK TAYLOR wrote: > I just started using Pine 3.89 on a VMS system. Pine does not seem to read my > personal_name although it uses others' personal_names and reads them into > address book files. > > Suggestions on how to activate personal_name would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > -- > Charles S. Taylor ctaylor@desire.wright.edu > Professor of Philosophy > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 13:23:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18480; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:23:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20080; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:18:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20074; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:18:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnXrs-00000LC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: PINE 3.90 SUGGESTION-Printing Tagged Mail Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I offer a humble suggestion/wish to the developers of Pine. When printing tagged mail (multiple messages), can a form feed code be added so that each individual mail message is printed on a separate page of paper? Currently, when I print tagged messages to the laser they all run together. I realize that you may already be aware of this. My compliments to the development team for Pine 3.9. It's great. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 14:16:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20874; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:16:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03761; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:10:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03754; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:10:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnYbC-00000LC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 13:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allan@umich.edu (Allan M. Bjorklund) Subject: Fixes for sorting by Subject with PC-Pine 3.90 (LONG) Date: 21 Sep 1994 19:55:06 GMT Message-Id: <35q32q$hp0@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I've done some more digging around and think I've fixed sorting by subject with PC-Pine 3.90. Below is the text I sent to my supervisor and to the pine team describing what I changed. --Allan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (All of the following changes occur in mailindx.c.) The first change is made after the DOS declaration of subcache. Two character buffers are added and I will explain their use below. #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) #define SUB_CACHE_LEN 128 static struct subcache { long size, cur; char *buf; FILE *ent; } *subcache = NULL; char suba[SUB_CACHE_LEN]; <----- Added line char subb[SUB_CACHE_LEN]; <----- Added line #else These next changes are to accommodate the static buffers that were added above. They take place in compare_subjects. Here is the modified source: int compare_subjects(a, b) const QSType *a, *b; { #if !defined(DOS) || defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line char *suba, *subb; #endif <---- Added line long *mess_a = (long *)a, *mess_b = (long *)b; int diff, res; long mdiff; sort_blip(); #if !defined(DOS) || defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line suba = get_sub(*mess_a); subb = get_sub(*mess_b); #else <---- Added line strcpy(suba,get_sub(*mess_a)); <---- Added line strcpy(subb,get_sub(*mess_b)); <---- Added line #endif <---- Added line diff = strucmp(suba, subb); if(diff == 0) mdiff = *mess_a - *mess_b; /* convert to int */ res = diff != 0 ? diff : mdiff != 0L ? (mdiff > 0L ? 1 : -1) : 0; return(mn_get_revsort(ps_global->msgmap) ? -res : res); } Here, for the DOS version, we #if out the declarations of suba and subb so the static buffers are used and also set it up that the values returned by get_sub are copied into them. We use the static buffers since get_sub would return a pointer to the same static buffer (subcache->buf) when called, and this made the comparison useless since it was always comparing the string to itself. This does not occur under UNIX and MS-Windows since the get_sub would return unique pointers with each call. The next set of changes are applied to get_sub. char * get_sub(mess) long mess; { ENVELOPE *e; char *s, *s3, **ss; #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line (a) char *extra_str; <---- Added line #endif <---- Added line int l; #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line (b) if(!*(*(ss = subject_cache_ent(mess)))){ <---- Added line #else <---- Added line if(!*(ss = subject_cache_ent(mess))){ #endif <---- Added line e = mail_fetchstructure(ps_global->mail_stream, mess, NULL); if(e && e->subject) { /* ---- Clean junk off the front of the subject ----*/ for(s = e->subject; *s && (isspace(*s) || *s == '['); s++) ; if((*s == 'R' || *s == 'r') && (*(s+1) == 'E' || *(s+1) == 'e') && (*(s+2) == ':' || *(s+2) == '[')){ s += 3; if(*(s+2) == '['){ while(*s && *s != ':') s++; s++; } } while(*s && (isspace(*s) || *s == '[')) s++; #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line (c) if(*(extra_str = cpystr(s))){ <---- Added line strcpy(*ss,extra_str); <---- Added line fs_give((void **)&extra_str); <---- Added line #else <---- Added line if(*(*ss = cpystr(s))){ #endif <---- Added line /*----- Now, truncate junk off the back end of the subject---*/ for(s3 = NULL, s = *ss; *s; s++) /* blast ws and ']' */ s3 = (!isspace(*s) && *s != ']') ? NULL : (!s3) ? s : s3; if(s3) *s3 = '\0'; if((l=(s3 ? s3 : s)-(*ss)) > 5 && !strucmp((*ss)+l-5,"(fwd)")) (*ss)[l-5] = '\0'; for(s3 = NULL, s = *ss; *s; s++) /* blast ws and ']' */ s3 = (!isspace(*s) && *s != ']') ? NULL : (!s3) ? s : s3; if(s3) *s3 = '\0'; } } else { #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) <---- Added line (d) *ss[0] = '\0'; <---- Added line #else <---- Added line *ss = cpystr(""); #endif <---- Added line } dprint(9, (debugfile, "SUB-GET-%s-GET-SUB\n", *ss)) } else{ dprint(9, (debugfile, "SUB-HIT-%s-HIT-SUB\n", *ss)) } #ifndef DOS if(fetched_map != NULL && !GET_FETCHED_MAP(mess)) { SET_FETCHED_MAP(mess); fetched_count++; } #endif return(*ss); } In added lines group (a) the variable extra_str is added for the DOS version. It is used in section (c) to hold an allocated string. In group (b) we have the DOS version check to see if we have an empty string. We can't do like the UNIX and MS-Windows version and check for a NULL pointer since subject_cache_ent is always returning subcache->buf which was allocated when sorting was being initialized. In group (c) we use extra_str to hold the pointer returned by cpystr. Which is then copied back to our static buffer ss (subcache->buf) so we can release extra_str. This plugs a memory leak. In the UNIX and MS-Windows version *ss would point to a slot in an array of pointers, and when clear_subject_cache is called, the strings allocated in get_sub by cpystr would be freed. But with the DOS version the value returned by get_sub is not tracked after compare_subjects and becomes lost memory. In section (d) we have the DOS version set our static buffer to an empty string, instead of allocating another empty sting to join the other pieces of lost memory. The next change is a minor one that occurs in sort_current_folder. Since it is only a small change I will not quote the entire function. This is the original code: if(so != SortArrival){ if (so == SortSubject || SortSubject2) /* nmsgs cuz MN_EXLD */ init_subject_cache(ps_global->mail_stream->nmsgs); This is the corrected code: if(so != SortArrival){ if ((so == SortSubject) || (so == SortSubject2)) /* nmsgs cuz MN_EXLD */ init_subject_cache(ps_global->mail_stream->nmsgs); SortSubject and SortSubject2 are values in an enumerated type. I.e., they have constant values. Thus the original statement would alway evaluate to true. This didn't cause any harm, since clear_subject_cache would clean up after it later in the function. And finally, the last set of changes. These are in subject_cache_ent. char ** subject_cache_ent(n) long n; { #if defined(DOS) && !defined(_WINDOWS) fseek(subcache->ent, (subcache->cur * SUB_CACHE_LEN), 0); <---- Changed line fwrite((void *)subcache->buf, (size_t)SUB_CACHE_LEN, (size_t)1, subcache->ent); subcache->cur = n; fseek(subcache->ent, (subcache->cur * SUB_CACHE_LEN), 0); <---- Changed line fread((void *)subcache->buf,(size_t)SUB_CACHE_LEN,(size_t)1,subcache->ent); return(&(subcache->buf)); #else return(&subcache->ent[n]); #endif } In the original code, both of the fseek statements read like this: fseek(subcache->ent, subcache->cur, 0); subcache->cur is the message number to find the subject for. So instead of going to the position in the disk file where the subject started, it went to a byte offset near the beginning of the file. subcache->cur has to be multiplied by the size of the subject buffer in order to get the correct offset in the file. Whew! That's it. -- =============================================================================== Allan Bjorklund | allan@umich.edu =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 14:19:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20955; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:19:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21304; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:15:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comp.uark.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21294; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:15:21 -0700 Received: (from rholder@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA23126; Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:15:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:15:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Randy Holder To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PINE 3.90 SUGGESTION-Printing Tagged Mail (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I posted this to the netnews group and then began to wonder if it auto posted to the listserv. I probably should know that but, I don't... I know that listserv posts to the netnews group but, does the netnews group post to the listserv? Randy H. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:22:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Randy Holder Newgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: PINE 3.90 SUGGESTION-Printing Tagged Mail I offer a humble suggestion/wish to the developers of Pine. When printing tagged mail (multiple messages), can a form feed code be added so that each individual mail message is printed on a separate page of paper? Currently, when I print tagged messages to the laser they all run together. I realize that you may already be aware of this. My compliments to the development team for Pine 3.9. It's great. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 14:38:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21698; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:38:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21673; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:34:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21667; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:34:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnZ1N-00000kC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rob McKenzie Subject: Selective FCC's Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 15:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it possible to have pine drop all newsgroups postings that I make into one outbox, say like OUTBOX-News (where this message will go (manually))? I am using the selective FCC for messages to certain people/lists, but I've not seen anything for the newsgroups as a whole. Is it possible? Cheers!!! Rob McKenzie COPAC Support Technician +1 613 765 3107 (ESN 395-3107) Carling, Lab 5, 3rd West, Pillar B5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 15:03:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23030; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:03:06 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04932; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:58:38 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04926; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:58:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnZNN-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 14:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nike@well.com (the netwolf) Subject: Using fortunes with pine... Date: 21 Sep 1994 20:40:02 GMT Message-Id: <35q5n2$pc8$1@rosebud.ncd.com> I can easily set up Z-Mail to use fortunes (qoutes appended to the bottom of my letters), but I can't find any info on how to set it up with Pine. Can anyone help? -Pat From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 15:54:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25523; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:54:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23573; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:48:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23567; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:48:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnaBd-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: harris@cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) Subject: IMAP folders on the command line? Date: 21 Sep 1994 17:21:03 -0400 Message-Id: <35q83v$iul@angel.cs.unc.edu> Is there a method whereby one may open an IMAP session from the command line, without opening one's local inbox first? For example, if I have the following in my .pinerc: incoming-folders=sunsite{sunsite.unc.edu}inbox I would like to be able to do something like: pine -f sunsite to open my Sunsite mail without bothering with opening my local inbox. Is there any way to accomplish this, and if not, wouldn't it be a good idea? Trey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 16:07:11 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26060; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:07:11 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06416; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:03:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06410; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:03:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnaOM-00000iC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 15:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu (Jim Boyer) Subject: ansiprt Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 20:35:54 GMT David Miller mentioned earlier about a program called ansiprt to print over telent connections. This may be dumb, but what do I do with ansiprt? The print to ansi printer now works great via modem, but doesn't work with my telnet sessions. Did I understand right that ansiprt will allow pine to print to a pc printer over telnet? If so, how do I use it. Thanks Jim Boyer e-mail: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Washington State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 16:28:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27125; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:28:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24566; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:23:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24560; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:23:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnaiB-00000iC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Subject: Re: pine VS tin (was Re: pine vs elm) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <35ibab$b3s@news.halcyon.com> <35iqm4$lme@unix1.cc.ysu.edu> <35pb5a$no3@news.utdallas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:54:15 GMT On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > Well, Pine don't thread. Pine likes very much to treat everything as > mail, so the subtle distinctions of mailing a reply or posting a followup > are lost. One thing I like is that it's finally possible for me to post > and mail a followup at the same moment (I use Tin, and I'm not aware that > that function is supported). Pine is much less convenient for functions > like killing a subject (though it's possible, it takes a bit of work), > and for existing News readers (people, not programs), the change in > approach is a bit weird. However, I expect for beginners brought up in > Pine, it'll be just fine. Not only fine but one barrier less to finally start reading news. Most terminal-based newsreaders are still to cryptic for many new users (IMHO). Pine might help them a bit. > Oh, one technical nit - the attribution line in followups (replies to the > newsgroup, actually) don't mention the article we're citing. And I > haven't looked at the "References:" headers. Does anyone know if these > are handled properly? Check the References in this reply (sorry, Follow-Up ;-) There should be more than a few article-ID's. Xander From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 16:47:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27820; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:47:27 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07387; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:44:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07381; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:44:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnb0c-00000IC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nike@well.com (the netwolf) Subject: Re: POP Client for unix Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:43:05 GMT Message-Id: <35qctp$pc8$3@rosebud.ncd.com> References: <357qvl$2nn@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <357qvl$2nn@nic-nac.CSU.net>, gmansoor@huey.csun.edu (George Mansoor) says: > >I was wondering if there is a version of Pine (for HP-UX) that will act as a >POP client. If not Pine, are there any POP clients for HP-UX. > >Thanks > >George Yeah, try Zync from Z-Code Software. ftp.ncd.com:/pub/z-code/zmail/zync there is also a directory of pop servers at the same level. -Nike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 16:57:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28160; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:57:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25374; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:53:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25368; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:53:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnbBe-00000iC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 16:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine as newsreader Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 15:40:15 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine does not currently have the ability to check for new newsgroups. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Jeff Traigle wrote: > > The recent discussion about pine as a newsreader reminded me of this > question about pines functionality as such. Does pine have the capability > to check for new newsgroups? If not, it'd be really nice. If so, how? > > -- > +-------------------+------------------------------+--------------------------+ > | Jeff Traigle | University of Michigan | Systems Administrator | > +-------------------+------------------+-----------+--------------------------+ > | College of Pharmacy | Biophysics Research Division | > | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 | Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | > | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | Ann Arbor MI 48109 | > | (313) 747-2340 | (313) 763-5449 | > +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ > | traigle@umich.edu | Pager: (810) 617-8793 | > +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 18:11:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01560; Wed, 21 Sep 94 18:11:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27212; Wed, 21 Sep 94 18:04:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27204; Wed, 21 Sep 94 18:04:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qncHp-00000LC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 17:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbutler@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Graham R. Butler) Subject: ASCII codes in PINE Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:54:59 GMT Message-Id: <35qdk3$1s6@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> I have been trying to create the pound symbol (ascii code: alt 156) in PINE but it does not work. (I use pico as my editor here and it doesn't work there either. :-)) Is there some other way that codes such as that get created in PINE? Thanks. Graham GRB ========================================== // "da mihi, Domine, scire et intellegere" \\ =============================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 19:16:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02870; Wed, 21 Sep 94 19:16:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10075; Wed, 21 Sep 94 19:09:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10069; Wed, 21 Sep 94 19:09:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qndKi-00000LC; Wed, 21 Sep 94 18:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcollie@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie) Subject: Re: ansiprt Date: 21 Sep 1994 19:26:05 -0500 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: boyerj@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu's message of Wed, 21 Sep 1994 20:35:54 GMT >>"J" == Jim Boyer writes: J> J> David Miller mentioned earlier about a program called ansiprt to print over telent J> connections. This may be dumb, but what do I do with ansiprt? The print to ansi J> printer now works great via modem, but doesn't work with my telnet sessions. Did J> I understand right that ansiprt will allow pine to print to a pc printer over telnet? J> If so, how do I use it. The "ansiprt" program works because some terminal emulators support a method of turning on an auxilliary printer and sending the incoming data to it. Telnet has nothing to do with it. BTW, Pine does its attached-to-ansi printing in the same way. Basically, you get it to work by doing something like this: ansiprt < file-that-I-want-to-print -- Jeffrey C. Ollie jeffrey-ollie@uiowa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 21 20:40:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04445; Wed, 21 Sep 94 20:40:07 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11152; Wed, 21 Sep 94 20:34:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11146; Wed, 21 Sep 94 20:34:11 -0700 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA24161 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:33:14 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA12783; Wed, 21 Sep 94 23:33:13 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA10322; Wed, 21 Sep 94 23:33:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Vallee Brigitte Subject: subscribe to comp.mail.pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe comp.mail.pine valleeb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 01:29:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09985; Thu, 22 Sep 94 01:29:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03263; Thu, 22 Sep 94 01:25:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03257; Thu, 22 Sep 94 01:25:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnj6s-00000kC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 01:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: boe666@u.washington.edu (Beast of Eden) Subject: How do you make a kill file? Date: 22 Sep 1994 02:39:47 GMT Message-Id: <35qqpj$s0v@news.u.washington.edu> How does one go about creating a kill file or "bozo filter" in Pine? Thanks in advance, BOE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 03:09:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12433; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:09:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16391; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:05:29 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16385; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:05:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnki3-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 02:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oakley@pylon.com (Reid Conti) Subject: Hey.. Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:09:38 -0700 Message-Id: <35r022$m2k@earth.pylon.com> Question. Does anybody here know how to write a script that will bounce my mail? I have an account on connected.com, and want to write a script there, so it will bounce my mail to pylon.com. I remember reading about something like that.. but can't remember. Please email it to me, oakley@pylon.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 03:19:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12729; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:19:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04673; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:15:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04667; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:15:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnku1-00000iC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 02:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: ASCII codes in PINE Date: 22 Sep 1994 04:09:27 GMT Message-Id: <35r01n$6b3@news.ysu.edu> References: <35qdk3$1s6@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> In a previous article, gbutler@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Graham R. Butler) queries: >I have been trying to create the pound symbol (ascii code: alt 156) in >PINE but it does not work. (I use pico as my editor here and it doesn't >work there either. :-)) The pound symbol may be code ALT-156 on a PC numeric keypad, but in the ISO_8859-1 character set used for western European languages the pound sterling character occupies position 163 decimal. In order to make use of 8-bit characters in messages, your environment must be set up properly. If you have the ISO-8859-1 charset set in the Pine configuration screen, then you should be able to compose mail with those characters with bit 8 set. Note that the ISO-8859-1 charset, which is recommended for use with MIME mail for western European languages, is different from the PC code page, which it sounds like will be appearing on your screen. (I'm not sure if you're using PC-Pine or using a PC as terminal emulator with Unix Pine, or what...) There are no special ways of generating 8-bit characters from Pine or Pico without using a keyboard which generates the 8-bit characters itself. But it will work if it is set up properly. (At least not yet. I just took a look at the source code -- fun vacation I'm on, eh? -- and now I'm contemplating hacking the ttyin code so it will emulate the standard Czech and Slovak keyboards. Anyone from those countries with interest in the results of this is urged to contact me.) A way you can enter the non-ASCII (or 8-bit; ASCII only covers those characters up to decimal 127) characters from a normal keyboard I use is using Emacs as the alternate editor with standard-display-european and M-x insert-(whatever-character-you-wish). There may be other peculiarities in your setup which make it difficult to use 8-bit characters, but the problem is not within either Pine or Pico, but somewhere on your end, since when properly configured, Pine has no difficulty accepting the pound sterling as character 163 (decimal) from a keyboard. -- Barry Bouwsma, VSZ Brno, Czech Republic Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, bike hacking myself into the Internet from wherever I happen to be at the time, have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 03:29:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13010; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:29:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16679; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:27:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16673; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:26:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnl5b-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: altitude@umich.edu (Alex Tang) Subject: Default composer headers. Date: 22 Sep 1994 04:35:40 GMT Message-Id: <35r1is$kum@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Hi folks...this is probably a dumb one, but how do you use the "default-composer-headers" thing. When i go into setup, config and then put "To:", it will say: [No default-composer-hdrs matched, displaying defaults] why is it doing this? thanx. ...tango... Alex Tang | UM-SNRE | UM-ITD/US Consultant II ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU | Student | UM-SNRE-NCEET: Systems Admin PGP via finger. | Systems Admin |http://www.snre.umich.edu/users/altitude This space for rent|Comp.Consut III| An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 03:41:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13421; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:41:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04955; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:38:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04949; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:38:08 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA23540; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 06:34:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 06:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" Subject: Re: Hey.. To: Reid Conti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <35r022$m2k@earth.pylon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you try placing a world-readable file called ".forward" in your home directory with the single line being the place you want your mail forwarded? e.g. (On connected.com) $ cat ~/.forward oakley@pylon.com $ This should cause ALL mail for your account on connected to be forwarded to your account on pylon. That is, of course, assuming connected is a Unix machine (you didn't say...) Thanks Mike On 21 Sep 1994, Reid Conti wrote: > Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:09:38 -0700 > From: Reid Conti > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Hey.. > > Question. Does anybody here know how to write a script that will bounce > my mail? I have an account on connected.com, and want to write a script > there, so it will bounce my mail to pylon.com. I remember reading about > something like that.. but can't remember. Please email it to me, > oakley@pylon.com > > Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 03:43:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13460; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:43:21 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04977; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:39:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04965; Thu, 22 Sep 94 03:39:25 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:36:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:36:38 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: Reid Conti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Hey.. In-Reply-To: <35r022$m2k@earth.pylon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Sep 1994, Reid Conti wrote: > Question. Does anybody here know how to write a script that will bounce > my mail? I have an account on connected.com, and want to write a script > there, so it will bounce my mail to pylon.com. I remember reading about > something like that.. but can't remember. Please email it to me, > oakley@pylon.com As the old saying goes, "Hay, is for horses". Without know anything of your environment, it would seem you need nothing more than a .forward file in your home directory on connected.com to redirect your email to pylon.com Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 05:07:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15809; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:07:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06256; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:03:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06250; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:03:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnmVp-000018C; Thu, 22 Sep 94 04:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Default composer headers. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:49:42 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35r1is$kum@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35r1is$kum@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Drop the ':' and it will work. Pine 3.91 will allow, but not require, the ':'. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 22 Sep 1994, Alex Tang wrote: > Hi folks...this is probably a dumb one, but how do you use the > "default-composer-headers" thing. When i go into setup, config and then > put "To:", it will say: > > [No default-composer-hdrs matched, displaying defaults] > > why is it doing this? > > thanx. > ...tango... > > Alex Tang | UM-SNRE | UM-ITD/US Consultant II > ALTITUDE@UMICH.EDU | Student | UM-SNRE-NCEET: Systems Admin > PGP via finger. | Systems Admin |http://www.snre.umich.edu/users/altitude > This space for rent|Comp.Consut III| An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 06:01:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16891; Thu, 22 Sep 94 06:01:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18765; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:57:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18759; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:57:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnnOa-00000xC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 05:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: compugfx@zeus.datasrv.co.il (CompuGraphics) Subject: How to direct e-mails from a Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:44:15 GMT Message-Id: <35qcvv$ogl@axil.datasrv.co.il> Hello, How can I direct e-mails from a particular address to a particluar mail folder. I have tried the following line in .pinerc, but it doesn't work. incoming-folders=dedi {cs.utk.edu}filter/dedi Where dedi is my filename. Thanks, Oded Gonda From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 09:19:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23267; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:19:43 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10494; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:14:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10488; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:14:00 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:11:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:11:11 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: CompuGraphics Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to direct e-mails from a In-Reply-To: <35qcvv$ogl@axil.datasrv.co.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Sep 1994, CompuGraphics wrote: > How can I direct e-mails from a particular address to a particluar mail > folder. I have tried the following line in .pinerc, but it doesn't work. > > incoming-folders=dedi {cs.utk.edu}filter/dedi > > Where dedi is my filename. Well, that is because "incoming-folder" is not meant to do the function you describe. You need to get a "filter" program such as "procmail", "deliver" or "filter (from the elm distribution". Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 10:05:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24960; Thu, 22 Sep 94 10:05:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11334; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:56:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11328; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:56:27 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnr8I-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Anne Harwell Subject: Pine aborting with core dump Date: 22 Sep 1994 10:38:58 GMT Message-Id: <35rms2$53n@spectre.techrscs.panam.edu> References: In 3.90 settings configuration, I'm having trouble making Pine understand I want the read-messages folder's name to be ~/mail/read-messages. If I put that in the read-messages line in Settings, Pine always exits with a Bug Detected and a core dump. I had auto-move-read-msgs set to Yes when this took place. Would someone please send me an example of a correct read-messages entry. Thanks, -abh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 12:10:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00470; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:10:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25932; Thu, 22 Sep 94 11:56:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25926; Thu, 22 Sep 94 11:56:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnt1h-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 11:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) Subject: Default local domain in "To:" line?? Date: 22 Sep 1994 15:40:44 +0100 Message-Id: <35s51c$ris@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Hi, I have pine 3.89, and have it compiled and running on Linux. However, my default "To:" line when I send to someone at my site is expanded to user@host.mydomain when I hit RETURN on the compose screen, while ideally I want just user@mydomain, to hide the host name and thus have the same domain-wide address used for anyone who later (group) replies to that mail. I set "user-domain" to be mydomain in my system pine.conf, and that works fine for setting my own "From:" line to be me@mydomain, but it doesn't affect the "To:" line. I'd much rather have this happen at the pine level than kludge the transport agent itself; I'd rather the person using pine saw just the usual site-wide domain name than the name with the hostname tacked on. If anyone understands what I'm on about and knows if there's some magic variable to set to get hidden hosts then please let me know :) Thanks, Tim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 12:10:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00499; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:10:54 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26128; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:05:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from zeus.datasrv.co.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26114; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:05:07 -0700 Received: by zeus.datasrv.co.il id AA12438 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:05:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:04:59 +0200 (IST) From: CompuGraphics Subject: Re: How to direct e-mails from a To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 21 Sep 1994, CompuGraphics wrote: > > > How can I direct e-mails from a particular address to a particluar mail > > folder. I have tried the following line in .pinerc, but it doesn't work. > > > > incoming-folders=dedi {cs.utk.edu}filter/dedi > > > > Where dedi is my filename. > > Well, that is because "incoming-folder" is not meant to do the > function you describe.You need to get a "filter" program such as > "procmail", "deliver" or "filter (from the elm distribution". Where can I obtain those? Oded Gonda From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 12:16:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00762; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:16:33 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14771; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:11:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14765; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:11:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qntFb-00000zC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 11:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: angel@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu (Angel Li) Subject: Building 3.90 on VMS Date: 22 Sep 1994 14:24:03 -0400 Message-Id: <35si43$4rv@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu> I'm trying to build 3.90 on VMS and the pine/pine directory didn't come with a vmsbuild.com. Also there are no OS-dependent files for VMS and I'm sure there are. Where can I find the missing files? Thanks, Angel -- Angel Li University of Miami/RSMAS Remote Sensing Group Internet: angel@flipper.rsmas.miami.edu "Every time you think it weakens the nation." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 12:56:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02062; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:56:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27236; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:52:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27230; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:52:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qntvH-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 12:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tywilson@umich.edu (Ted Y Wilson) Subject: No cntrl-key on MacPlus Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:13:04 GMT Message-Id: <35rvt0$nqq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> A colleague wants to use Pine, but she has no control key on her keyboard, a MacPlus. Is there a work around, some code, that would send the same signal as the control+X for example required to send mail? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 13:38:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04125; Thu, 22 Sep 94 13:38:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16665; Thu, 22 Sep 94 13:32:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16659; Thu, 22 Sep 94 13:32:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnuZ8-00001qC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 13:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jaw@rhh.dk (Jan Winther) Subject: posting error Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:29:19 GMT Message-Id: <35s0rg$ant@news.dknet.dk> I am very pleased with pine v3.90. However when I try to post to a newsgroup I get the following error "error posting message: 441 article posted in the future ...." Posting to newsgroups via TIN is working OK, so my NNTP connection is up and running. Any help would be appreciated ! -- ****************************************************************************** Jan Winther Mail: jaw@rhh.dk RH&H Consult Fax: +45 45 83 02 07 Bredevej 2 Voice: +45 42 85 65 00 DK 2830 Virum X400:C=DK;A=DK400;P=RHH;S=Winther;G=Jan ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 14:16:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06528; Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:16:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29405; Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:11:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29393; Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:11:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnvAB-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 13:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Subject: Re: UNIX Pine Brilliance - printing via PC or MAC terminal Date: 21 Sep 1994 15:39:04 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep20.132118.14674@dmp.csiro.au> In-Reply-To: lachlan@dmp.csiro.au's message of Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:21:18 GMT I don't know about pico, but in general the ansi local printer commands are: PRINTER SCREEN Character sequence ON ON 27 91 63 53 105 ON OFF 27 91 53 105 OFF ON 27 91 63 52 105 OFF OFF 27 91 52 105 The numbers are ascii character codes, the correspondences are 27 Escape character 91 [ 63 ? 53 5 52 4 105 i Also, "screen off" refers to what happens while printing is occurring. You don't blank out everything by leaving out the question mark when turning off the printer. -- Raul D. Miller n =: p*q NB. 9<##:##:n [.large prime p, q y =: n&|&(*&x)^:e 1 NB. -.1 e.e e.&factors<:p,q [.e Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18818; Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:52:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnvlu-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tnalicea@scws4.harvard.edu (Tanisha Alicea) Subject: Re: How to make Pine read the most recent message first? Message-Id: <35q7qh$blk@scunix2.harvard.edu> Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:16:01 GMT References: <35d9lv$i8e@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Stephan De Spiegeleire wrote: >For some reason, my Pine (v. 3.89) no longer seems to put the cursor on >the most recent message in my index, but on the first unread one. I >checke din .pinerc, but didn't find an option to change that. Can >anybody help me change this? If you change the order in which Pine lists your messages, it will put the cursor at the very top, or the lastest received message. To do this, type in "$", and choose the reverse option "r". -- Nisha ============================================================================= tnalicea@fas.harvard.edu | It slices, dices, makes elegant 8 course meals, Tanisha Nydessa Alicea | changes oil, neutralizes the greenhouse effect, 15 Adams Mail Center | is politically correct, and makes one HELL of a Cambridge, MA 02138 | strawberry daquiri. SU-PR-KUT: Now $199.95 + S/H. ============================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 15:47:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12398; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:47:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02290; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:43:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02283; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:43:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnwZ4-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: No cntrl-key on MacPlus Date: 22 Sep 1994 15:32:38 GMT Message-Id: <35s82m$l8k@news.ysu.edu> References: <35rvt0$nqq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In a previous article, tywilson@umich.edu (Ted Y Wilson) says: >A colleague wants to use Pine, but she has no control key on her >keyboard, a MacPlus. Is there a work around, some code, that would >send the same signal as the control+X for example required to >send mail? All control keys can be typed as ESC-ESC-(letter-key). That is, hit the ESC key twice, then the letter key which one would be normally used with the control key. I've found this very useful, since while I can type such commands as ^_ and ^C and ^X, for some reason with this system the ^^ does not generate any character, or else it is caught somewhere, so if I want to mark text, I must use ESC-ESC-^ . It's nice to have a backup. (And every day I use a different system with different peculiarities...) -- Barry Bouwsma, VSZ Brno, Czech Republic Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) Unemployable System Crasher, bike hacking myself into the Internet from wherever I happen to be at the time, have pivo and zmrzlina, will travel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 15:51:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12569; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:51:25 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20477; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:47:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20471; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:47:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnwey-00000jC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tywilson@umich.edu (Ted Y Wilson) Subject: MacPlus cntrl-key answer Date: 22 Sep 1994 15:50:28 GMT Message-Id: <35s944$p2q@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> The problem was solved by changing the Edit/Preferences setting in Telnet 2.45. "Option key mapped to control" should be UNchecked, and then the option key functions like a control key. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 16:23:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14115; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:23:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03185; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:17:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03179; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:17:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnx5Z-00000jC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 15:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Gaumond Pierre) Subject: Does pine care about TERMINFO env. var. Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:31:58 GMT I use pine on a VT-220 compatible terminal. I'm on a SysV Unix system. Since I don't like `reverse video' messages, I create a new definition of the vt220 `terminfo' (I called it vt221). I put the definition (with tic) in ~/Term/v/vt221 and set the TERMINFO environment variable to that directory (~/Term). I also set the TERM env. var. to vt221. This works fine with other programs, but not with pine. I changed the `rev' attribute of the definition. Does pine cares about TERMINFO? What field does it use to start the reverse video? Thanks for any information. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 16:47:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15499; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:47:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21883; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:43:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21877; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:43:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnxT0-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:22 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ecvejrum@hp3.cbs.dk (Sxren Vejrum) Subject: Imapd problem: unable to separate incoming messages Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:53:45 GMT Message-Id: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> We would like to use PC-Pine and therefore have to run the imapd server on our HPUX mail server, but it does not work properly. Only the first message is recognized (and all other messages are included in it). Can't imapd co-operate with pop using the same inbox? Any solutions/ideas to correct this problem? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soren Vejrum, Copenhagen Business School, Denmark ecvejrum@cbs.dk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 17:22:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17688; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:22:45 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05126; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:17:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05120; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:17:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qny1M-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Pete Nielsen) Subject: diffrent UID's on client and server Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:11 Message-Id: <19940922101131CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> My appologies if this is a FAQ, or I'm missing something obvious, but my loginid is different on my workstation, and my IMAP server. Is there a way to configure PINE on my workstation so that it uses an ID that I specify, for connecting to the server and for the From: line of messages that I send? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 17:51:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18677; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:51:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23474; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:47:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23468; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:47:37 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnyUH-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrredho@universe.digex.net (John Red-Horse) Subject: Automatic Conversion of elm Aliases to addressbook? Date: 22 Sep 1994 19:25:43 -0400 Message-Id: <35t3pn$3bq@universe.digex.net> Howdy, I've got myself a little problem and I'm hoping someone else has seen it and can help me figure things out: I fired up pine 3.90 (I've been going back and forth between elm and pine) and it gave a message to the effect of ``converting elm aliases to addressbook format''. (I was sitting there thinking uh oh...) (1) Is there any way to turn off this feature? (2) Apparently my elm aliases.text file is too complicated for the filter, and my old .addressbook file is now hosed. Bummer. I tried pulling the conversion script off the www site so that I could create a new one from the elm aliases.text file, but it is too naive to do the job. Is there a better one out there? cheers, john From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 18:18:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19211; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:18:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23855; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:13:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23849; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:13:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnytE-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 17:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine aborting with core dump Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 11:24:13 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35rms2$53n@spectre.techrscs.panam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35rms2$53n@spectre.techrscs.panam.edu> There is a bug in Pine 3.90 that is triggered by the read-message-folder setting. This will be fixed in Pine 3.91... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 22 Sep 1994, Anne Harwell wrote: > In 3.90 settings configuration, I'm having trouble making Pine understand > I want the read-messages folder's name to be ~/mail/read-messages. If I > put that in the read-messages line in Settings, Pine always exits with a > Bug Detected and a core dump. I had auto-move-read-msgs set to Yes when > this took place. Would someone please send me an example of a correct > read-messages entry. > > Thanks, > -abh > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 18:23:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19340; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:23:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06178; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:19:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06172; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:19:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qnz0b-00000jC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daniel@laser.elmer.alaska.edu (root) Subject: Unparsable date ... Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:22:21 GMT Since I moved from Linux to HP-UX, I have been getting messages with an unparsable date error. Can anyone enlighten me as to why, and better, how to fix it? Thanks for your time, Daniel Grahek From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 18:31:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19543; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:31:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24044; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:27:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comet.med.utah.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24038; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:27:18 -0700 Received: (paulleo@localhost) by comet.med.utah.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA13256; Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:28:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:28:28 -0600 (MDT) From: "Paul G. Leo Jr." To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine, imapd, mail server -- In-Reply-To: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If this is in a faq, please excuse me, just direct me to a fac. I'm wondering whether I can have a unix host as a dedicated mail server for unix pine and pc-pine mail clients. I'd like the inbox on the mail server and all the other folders on their home machines -- at least in the unix case. I'd like to have the mail server setup so that users cannot telnet, rsh, ftp, rlogin, etc to it.... Another words, I want this unix machine to be accessbile only by imap clients. Is this possible? feasible? I'm estimating 500 - 1000 e-mail accounts to start. Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet Eccles Institute of Human Genetics Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 favorite quote(s): "I always have a good day, I don't let nuthin eva bottha me" Just Jeeps counter person Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, BWI From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 18:48:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19933; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:48:17 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24335; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:43:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from news.celestial.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24329; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:43:37 -0700 From: master!fch@celestial.com Received: from master by camco.celestial.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qnzgL-0002LqC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:44 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 18:44 PDT Apparently-From: camco!master!fch To: camco!pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine binaries Do you have or know where I can find binaries for the Motorola 88K? Thanks! Frank Hansche King County Fire District #39 (Federal Way Fire Department) (fch@master.seaslug.org) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 19:34:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20951; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:34:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25035; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:29:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25029; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:29:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo06a-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: altitude@umich.edu (Alex Tang) Subject: Re: Default composer headers. Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:14:51 GMT Message-Id: <35sojs$rcq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <35r1is$kum@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : Drop the ':' and it will work. Pine 3.91 will allow, but not require, : the ':'. Thanx. I do have another question now...Now, I've got the following: default-composer-hdrs=To, Cc, Subject, Attchmnt, Reply-To in my .pinerc. But, when i compose a message, i get: Reply To: To : Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : ----- Message Text ----- Is there any way to specify which line goes where? thanx. ...alex... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 19:51:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21331; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:51:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07490; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:44:08 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07484; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:44:06 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo0KN-00000nC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig Bailey Subject: Re: Deleting news posts... In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:00:59 GMT The uneXclude command ( & ) will show all the messages in the group after answering yes. Craig Bailey ckb@sma.usna.navy.mil On Mon, 19 Sep 1994, Scott Rigby wrote: > I've just installed Pine 3.90 (DEC Alpha running OSF/1) and am seriously > seriously impressed! > > One question though, I'm using an NNTP news server for news access and > decided to delete the posts that I had read....I left the group, went > back, and they're no longer there!....fantastic! > > Lets assume that I'm upto date with my news and only have a few postings > in my group......what If I want to see the old ones again....I've tried > unSubscribing and reSubscribing but that doesn't bring back all the old > postings that I've already read.......is there a way to achieve this? > > Scott Rigby. > scott@nelly.mat.univie.ac.at > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 19:58:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21410; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:58:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25419; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:54:25 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25413; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:54:23 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo0T8-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 19:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dgold@netcom.com (Daniel M. Gold) Subject: SLOW! INBOX opening by PINE Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:05:59 GMT [ Article crossposted from netcom.mail ] [ Author was Daniel M. Gold ] [ Posted on Thu, 22 Sep 1994 18:56:18 GMT ] Can anyone explain why PINE would be VERY SLOW at its initial attempt to open INBOX? I don't recall having this problem several months ago, but for the last 3-4 weeks, it has been taking 20-30 seconds to initialize the main menu. I have very little stuff in my home directory, about 6 mail folders (mostly empty), and rarely more than 4-5 entries in my mailbox. Daniel M. Gold *------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Daniel M. Gold Data Systems Search Consultants Voice: 510-256-0635 | | dgold@netcom.com 1756 Lacassie Ave., Suite 202 Fax: 510-256-9099 | | Walnut Creek, CA 94549 | *------------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 20:33:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22012; Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:33:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08197; Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:29:26 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08189; Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:29:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo12h-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Imapd problem: unable to separate incoming messages Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:21:59 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> It should work without any difficulty. Could you send a sample INBOX=20 that demonstrates this problem to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 22 Sep 1994, S=F8ren Vejrum wrote: > We would like to use PC-Pine and therefore have to run the imapd server o= n > our HPUX mail server, but it does not work properly. Only the first messa= ge > is recognized (and all other messages are included in it). >=20 > Can't imapd co-operate with pop using the same inbox? >=20 > Any solutions/ideas to correct this problem? >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Soren Vejrum, Copenhagen Business School, Denmark ecvejrum@cbs.d= k >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 21:08:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22790; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:08:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26489; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:03:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26483; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:03:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo1Yo-00000IC; Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tdelling@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim of Florida) Subject: editing headers to use anon.petit.fi (???!!!) Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:12:01 GMT Message-Id: <35ta11$8og@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In order to use the anonymous remailer, one must include headers such as: To: anon@anon.penet.fi X-Anon-To: alt.sex.needlework,rec.masturbation X-Anon-To: jack@host.bar.edu To: anon@anon.penet.fi Subject: Test... X-Anon-To: foo@bar.fie X-Anon-Password: XYZZY99998blarf ....but I cannot create these headers in pine. Any help? -- -- GE d- H-- s g- p3 au-- a20 w++ v---(+++) c++ U P? L Tim Dellinger E--- N+++ K- !W M+ V-- po++ Y++ t++ 5-- jx R-- G' tv tdelling@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu b++ !D B e+ (-)u*(+++) h f* r n+ y++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 22 21:24:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23176; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:24:14 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08946; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:18:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08940; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:18:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qo1nk-000010C; Thu, 22 Sep 94 21:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: joshual@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Joshua C. Lerner) Subject: using PINE to read threaded news Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:13:04 GMT I couldn't find this in the FAQ -- is there any way to get PINE to thread news -- or to do it for PINE? I can't imagine going back to reading news without the threads. Joshua Lerner -- Joshua Lerner joshua_lerner@csufresno.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 00:36:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26792; Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:36:38 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29613; Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:28:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alias-129-179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29605; Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:28:37 -0700 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 23 Sep 94 15:25:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:25:42 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko X-Sender: egreshko@hobbes Reply-To: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com To: CompuGraphics Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to direct e-mails from a In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, CompuGraphics wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 1994, CompuGraphics wrote: > > > > > How can I direct e-mails from a particular address to a particluar mail > > > folder. I have tried the following line in .pinerc, but it doesn't work. > > > > > > incoming-folders=dedi {cs.utk.edu}filter/dedi > > > > > > Where dedi is my filename. > > > > Well, that is because "incoming-folder" is not meant to do the > > function you describe.You need to get a "filter" program such as > > "procmail", "deliver" or "filter (from the elm distribution". > > Where can I obtain those? As for procmail.... A recent version can be picked up at various comp.sources.misc archives. The latest version can be obtained directly from the ftp-archive at: ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.225.3) as (g)zipped tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz as compressed tar file: /pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.Z For the other....best to consult "archie".... Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 08:50:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08956; Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:50:01 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07464; Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:41:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07458; Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:41:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA20690; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:41:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199409231541.IAA20690@weber.ucsd.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Dan Mandell Subject: Re: XON-XOFF handling (was: pine 3.90 on Hpux 9.0) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Sep 1994 22:35:04 -0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <20682.780334904.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:41:44 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" I have the same problem with the same OS (seen at 2400 baud). The suggested fix to ttyin.c does not change anything.... > Thanks for the suggestion of the patch. The modification did not seem to > make much difference in the one communication environment I have noticed a > problem. Pine 3.90 does something - even with the suggested deletions from > ttyin.c. - 3.89 never did. > > Environment: 3.90 compiled under Hpux 9.0 > Problem seen only with Async. connections (via modem using Procomm Plus > 2.0 at 2400 Bd.) not in X or telnet connections. > > Symptom: Every time the full folder index displays, or whenever I manually > rewrite an entire screen using ^L in the Message Text, when all 24 lines > have been written, the system sounds an alert several times displaying > "Command "^Q" not defined for this screen" or "Unknown Command: ^Q". It > does seem to beep a fewer number of times after making the patch... In the > same environment, Pine 2.89 compiled for Hpux seemed not to see the ^S ^Q > or to ignore them. The frequent alert messages are just a nuisance, not a > major problem. > > Dan > > On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > > Dan, > > Here's the scoop: > > > > Unfortunately, on systems that rely on software flow-control, this results > > in the symptoms you described. In the upcoming 3.91 maintenance release > > this will be a configuration option. Until then, Mike S. advises that > > deleting the two lines > > > > _raw_tchars.t_startc = -1; /* Turn off ^S/^Q */ > > _raw_tchars.t_stopc = -1; > > > > from around line 244 in pine/ttyin.c will make Pine 3.90 behave like > > previous versions. > > > > -teg > > > > On Sun, 4 Sep 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > > > > > Pine 3.90, after displaying a full screen of the index of the current > > > inbox folder, the vt100 terminal display beeps, and displays in quick > > > succession "Command "^S" is not defined here", and then "Command "^Q" is > > > not defined here". This occurs on practically all screen rewrites, at > > > least from the index display of the inbox. In fact in the setup, > > > configuration section things become unmanageable because of the frequency > > > of undefined keystrokes being received...though these keystrokes are not > > > originating on my keyboard. > > > > -- > ===================================== > Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College > Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu > > "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 09:17:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11210; Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:17:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20044; Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:03:55 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pacific.centre.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20038; Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:03:53 -0700 Received: by pacific.centre.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08267; Fri, 23 Sep 94 12:03:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ben T. Feese" To: "Joshua C. Lerner" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: using PINE to read threaded news In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Go to the config setup off of the main menu (MCS), scroll down to the sortkey setting, and set it to OrdrdSubj. Works pretty well. My only gripe is that I'd like to be able to set sortkey SEPARATELY for news folders and for mail folders (if any of the pine development team is listening!) BTF ============================================================================= Ben T. Feese Professor of Biology Biochemistry/Molecular Biology Program Centre College, Danville, KY 40422 (USA) Internet: feeseb@centre.edu Phone: (606) 238-5318 FAX: (606) 236-7925 On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joshua C. Lerner wrote: > I couldn't find this in the FAQ -- is there any way to get PINE to > thread news -- or to do it for PINE? I can't imagine going back to > reading news without the threads. > > Joshua Lerner > > > > -- > Joshua Lerner > joshua_lerner@csufresno.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 11:40:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19103; Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:40:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24448; Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:33:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24442; Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:33:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA09108; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:32:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:32:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: using PINE to read threaded news To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: > Works pretty well. My only gripe is that I'd like to be able to set > sortkey SEPARATELY for news folders and for mail folders (if any of the > pine development team is listening!) A hearty second!!!!!!!! I like my news by subject, but my mail by arrival time. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or anyone else -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 2.1) GJ/CM d- H-- s-:++>s-:+ g+ p? au+ a- w++ v* C++(++++) UL++++$ P+>++ L++$ 3- E---- N+++ K+++ W M+ V-- -po+(---)>$ Y++ t+ 5+++ j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 15:50:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00797; Fri, 23 Sep 94 15:50:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18598; Fri, 23 Sep 94 15:45:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18592; Fri, 23 Sep 94 15:45:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA28771; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:45:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199409232245.PAA28771@weber.ucsd.edu> To: Dan Mandell Cc: pine-info@washington.edu Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:23:03 -0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <28761.780360344.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:45:44 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" Yes, this seems to fix the xon/xoff problem ! Thanks > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. > > --0-841913987-779391188=:9437 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-ID: > > The fix that worked for me was not contained in the message you sent me, > but a later suggestion contained in the attachement to this message.... > > Hope this helps... > Dan [elided] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 17:54:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05886; Fri, 23 Sep 94 17:54:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21426; Fri, 23 Sep 94 17:43:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21420; Fri, 23 Sep 94 17:43:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA14080; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199409240042.RAA14080@weber.ucsd.edu> To: Dion Vansevenant Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:15:13 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-Id: <13871.780367332.0@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:42:33 -0700 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <13871.780367332.1@weber.ucsd.edu> > On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Michael J. Corrigan wrote: > > > Yes, this seems to fix the xon/xoff problem ! > > Thanks > > > > > > --0-841913987-779391188=:9437 > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > Content-ID: > > > > > > The fix that worked for me was not contained in the message you sent me, > > > but a later suggestion contained in the attachement to this message.... > > > > > > Hope this helps... > > > Dan > > [elided] > > > > Please, does this relate to the removal of the two lines from ttyin.c? If > so, what was the final fix? I have a user accessing the system via > DataPac who keeps getting the ^Q/^S errors. I have had to downgrade her > to Pine 3.86 which worked for her before. > > Would you please be kind enough to pass on the fix that worked for you? > Maybe it will work for us as well. TIA. > > > Dion > > *----------------------------------------------* > | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | > | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | > | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | > *----------------------------------------------* > The fix is more than just the removal of the two lines. Here it is: (somewhere down below) ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From dmandell@saintmarys.edu Fri Sep 23 15:19:25 1994 Return-Path: dmandell@saintmarys.edu Received: from ucsd.edu (ucsd.edu [132.239.254.201]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA12263 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:19:23 -0700 Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by ucsd.edu; id PAA02819 sendmail 8.6.9/UCSD-2.2-sun via ESMTP Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:19:15 -0700 for Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA264528984; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:23:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: corrigan@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-841913987-779391188=:9437" Content-Id: Status: RO X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-841913987-779391188=:9437 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: The fix that worked for me was not contained in the message you sent me, but a later suggestion contained in the attachement to this message.... Hope this helps... Dan -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:20:26 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: Dan Mandell Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 (fwd) -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Seibel To: Dan Mandell Cc: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 This is odd. Could you mv the old pine3.90/pine/ttyin.c file to something like pine3.90/pine/ttyin.c.orig, and put the attached ttyin.c file in its place? After rebuilding, ^Q/^S should work the old pre-3.90 way... -mikes On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, Dan Mandell wrote: > Thanks for the explanation regarding the flow control differences between > asynch access via modem and telnet. > > Pine 2.89's flow control works fine for us and I hope Mike comes up > with something for 3.90. > > -- > ===================================== > Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College > Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu > > "Others promise you the World. 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(5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06772; Fri, 23 Sep 94 18:19:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03986; Fri, 23 Sep 94 18:12:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03979; Fri, 23 Sep 94 18:11:54 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA03851; Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:11:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: "Michael J. Corrigan" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Hpux problems with 3.90 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199409240042.RAA14080@weber.ucsd.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Michael J. Corrigan wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Michael J. Corrigan wrote: > > > > > Yes, this seems to fix the xon/xoff problem ! > > > Thanks > > The fix is more than just the removal of the two lines. Here it is: > (somewhere down below) > Michael...Thanks, it appears to work like a charm for us as well. Pine Team...please note that this HPUX problem also occurred on DG/UX 5.4.201 with a user accessing the system via DataPac. This fiddling with the ttyin.c file has solved the ^Q/^S problem on our system as well. Hopefully it won't cause any others. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 23 21:54:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11300; Fri, 23 Sep 94 21:54:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25603; Fri, 23 Sep 94 21:50:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mulberry.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25597; Fri, 23 Sep 94 21:50:31 -0700 Received: by mulberry.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA21839; Fri, 23 Sep 94 23:46:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:46:36 -0500 (CDT) From: GH Chinoy X-Sender: hussain@mulberry To: Susan Feingold Cc: Pine Info List Subject: Re: using goto folder when newsreading In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ms. Feingold, I'm unsure if this feature's documented anywhere, though I haven't checked Pine's on-line help, where (if anywhere) it would be. Sincerely, Hussain ___ __________________________________________________________ /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy \/__/ NEXTSTEP, hussain@artsci.wustl.edu baby http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~hussain/ On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Susan Feingold wrote: > Thank you very much for telling me about ^N. I tried it, it works! If it > isn't too much bother, could you tell me if this ^N is documented > anywhere? > > Sue > > Susan Feingold D.Sc. ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il > Taub Computer Center phone 972-4-293696 > Technion, Israel Institute of Technology fax 972-4-236212 > Haifa, Israel 32000 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 03:01:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17399; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:01:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13017; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:55:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13011; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:55:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoTXJ-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:36 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: using PINE to read threaded news Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:58:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Pine 3.90 has an OrderedSubject sort that we call "poor man's threading", but not real threads. We will probably implement "real" threading in a future release... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joshua C. Lerner wrote: > I couldn't find this in the FAQ -- is there any way to get PINE to > thread news -- or to do it for PINE? I can't imagine going back to > reading news without the threads. > > Joshua Lerner > > > > -- > Joshua Lerner > joshua_lerner@csufresno.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 03:01:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17421; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:01:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01195; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:55:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01189; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:55:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoTYH-00000iC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine, imapd, mail server -- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:03:54 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: That is exactly the way we have it setup on one of our major clusters (30000 or so accounts). We also have it setup so that each user can have multiple folders on the mail server, addressing them as user+folder@u.washington.edu. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote: > > If this is in a faq, please excuse me, just direct me to a fac. I'm > wondering whether I can have a unix host as a dedicated mail server for > unix pine and pc-pine mail clients. I'd like the inbox on the mail > server and all the other folders on their home machines -- at least in > the unix case. I'd like to have the mail server setup so that users > cannot telnet, rsh, ftp, rlogin, etc to it.... Another words, I want > this unix machine to be accessbile only by imap clients. > > Is this possible? feasible? I'm estimating 500 - 1000 e-mail accounts to > start. > > > Paul Leo e-mail paulleo@comet.med.utah.edu > University of Utah Medical School paulleo@utahmed.bitnet > Eccles Institute of Human Genetics > Building 533 Room 2100 phone 801-585-3653 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 fax 801-585-3910 > > favorite quote(s): > > "I always have a good day, I don't let nuthin eva bottha me" > Just Jeeps counter person > Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island, BWI > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 03:26:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18034; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:26:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13419; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:20:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13413; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:20:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoTuj-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 03:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alan Robert Clark Subject: Re: pine VS tin (was Re: pine vs elm) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:58:22 +0200 (GMT+0200) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Gunther Anderson wrote: > Billy Barron (billy@utdallas.edu) wrote: > > : I'd like to hear more about this because when I tried to use PINE for > : newsreading, I found it much inferior and harder to use than tin. > : Note that on our "easy-to-use" machine, we default users to PICO instead > : of vi or emacs so they are using tin/pico. However, I have to admit that > : I am a NN user personally, but my users are using tin (nn is not public > : because it likes to crash in my environment and every once in a while > : destroy a .newsrc file). > > Well, Pine don't thread. Pine likes very much to treat everything as > mail, so the subtle distinctions of mailing a reply or posting a followup > are lost. One thing I like is that it's finally possible for me to post Well, it threads about as effectively as tin does (IMHO), as long as you use SortKey=OrderedSubject in the setupo menu! Alan Robert Clark, Pr Eng Computational Electromagnetics Dept Elec Eng Wits University P.O.Wits ``Bugs are later known as features'' 2050 South Africa Ps 111:10; Ps 37/150 Fax (+27 11)403-1929 clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za(Pref) Tel (+27 11)716-5404(24hr) or clark@odie.ee.wits.ac.za **Linux 1.1pl15 -- the choice of a GNU generation.** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 04:54:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20240; Sat, 24 Sep 94 04:54:34 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03114; Sat, 24 Sep 94 04:51:19 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03108; Sat, 24 Sep 94 04:51:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoVLM-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 04:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kbass@clark.net (Ken Bass) Subject: Re: Suggestion: gzip folder option Date: 23 Sep 1994 20:30:35 GMT Message-Id: <35vdtb$d2m@clarknet.clark.net> References: <35n5r3$6qj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Andrew Daviel (andrew@andrew.triumf.ca) wrote: : Just an idea. For those that don't believe in deleting mail, how about an option : to transparently use compressed folder files like zcat, zgrep, etc. Great idea! I'd love to see that. Especially for folders that I have procmail store mailing lists into. : -- :

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    advax@triumf.ca : From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 05:30:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20924; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:30:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15400; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:27:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15394; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:27:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoVuW-00000iC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ketil@hiMolde.no (Ketil Hunn) Subject: Re: PGP and Pine Date: 24 Sep 1994 11:06:47 GMT Message-Id: <361187$eje@trane.uninett.no> References: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> <35iq8t$okc@inasec.ca> > Here is the one that I use. It's not mine, nor do I claim it to be. > -----< CUT >----- > #!/bin/sh > # schake@cs.sandia.gov, May 28 1994 > clear > echo '' > echo 'Enter username to encrypt, or return to sign only' > read action > case $action in > ?*) > pgp -sew "$1" "$action";; > *) > pgp -satw +clearsig=on "$1";; > esac > mv "$1.asc" "$1" > -----< END >---- Where do I put this script so Pine can take advantage of PGP? I've searched the help file, but it says nothing about scripts... Ketil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 05:52:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21232; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:52:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15716; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:50:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from millkern.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15709; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:50:13 -0700 Received: by millkern.com id AA03781 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for Pine Info List ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 08:49:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 08:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Byrg Bonnelycke To: GH Chinoy Cc: Susan Feingold , Pine Info List Subject: Re: using goto folder when newsreading In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi: I missed your discussion on ^N. What does ^N do? Regards, Byrg On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, GH Chinoy wrote: > Ms. Feingold, > > I'm unsure if this feature's documented anywhere, though I > haven't checked Pine's on-line help, where (if anywhere) it would be. > > Sincerely, > > Hussain > > ___ __________________________________________________________ > /\__\ G. Hussain Chinoy > \/__/ > NEXTSTEP, hussain@artsci.wustl.edu > baby http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~hussain/ > > > > On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Susan Feingold wrote: > > > Thank you very much for telling me about ^N. I tried it, it works! If it > > isn't too much bother, could you tell me if this ^N is documented > > anywhere? > > > > Sue > > > > Susan Feingold D.Sc. ccasuzi@techunix.technion.ac.il > > Taub Computer Center phone 972-4-293696 > > Technion, Israel Institute of Technology fax 972-4-236212 > > Haifa, Israel 32000 > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 06:14:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21531; Sat, 24 Sep 94 06:14:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04245; Sat, 24 Sep 94 06:11:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04239; Sat, 24 Sep 94 06:11:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoWb6-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 05:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) Subject: Re: Default local domain in "To:" line?? Date: 23 Sep 1994 11:32:41 +0100 Message-Id: <35uas9$cth@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <35s51c$ris@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> In <35s51c$ris@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes: >If anyone understands what I'm on about and knows if there's some magic >variable to set to get hidden hosts then please let me know :) Thanks to those who replied by mail, I have now fixed the problem. If curious, the problem was Linux slakware had constructed my local hosts file in a way I hadn't expected, as Michael Covington told me: In your /etc/hosts file, just reverse the way it reads now.... Make it read: host-name-alone full-host-name Cheers, Tim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 10:26:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25998; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:26:19 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19995; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:22:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19989; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:22:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoaXy-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Imapd problem: unable to separate incoming messages Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 19:19:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> Yes, imapd and pop should cooperate. There is definitely something wrong on your system. It sounds like something is wrong with the format of the mailbox. What version of imapd are you running (are you using the version that came with PC-Pine 3.90)? Can you send us a copy of a mailbox which exhibits this=20 problem? -- Mark -- On 22 Sep 1994, S=F8ren Vejrum wrote: >=20 > We would like to use PC-Pine and therefore have to run the imapd server o= n > our HPUX mail server, but it does not work properly. Only the first messa= ge > is recognized (and all other messages are included in it). >=20 > Can't imapd co-operate with pop using the same inbox? >=20 > Any solutions/ideas to correct this problem? >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Soren Vejrum, Copenhagen Business School, Denmark ecvejrum@cbs.d= k >=20 >=20 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 10:41:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26339; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:41:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08481; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:37:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08475; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:37:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoajE-00000iC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:17 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: richard@strauss.udel.edu (Richard E. Gordon) Subject: Good Newsgroup! (was Re: Pine as newsreader & Pine vs. Elm) Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:27:12 -0400 Message-Id: <35tee0$d7@strauss.udel.edu> References: <35nsir$ah9@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com> >> Does pine have the capability >> to check for new newsgroups? If not, it'd be really nice. If so, how? David L Miller wrote: >Pine does not currently have the ability to check for new newsgroups. Gee, around here, that would be viewed as a feature! :) One of my local FAQs for trn readers who are tired of seeing alt.sex.newbie.aol.whatever is to tell them about trn -q to turn that feature off! :) All kidding aside, I've been reading in this group for a day or two and am quite impressed with the helpfulness and spirit of cooperation displayed here. I enjoyed the thread about pine vs. elm. My 2 cents: here we decided that we would support (e.g., offer tutorials and classes) one mail package in addition to /usr/ucb/mail--pine won the sweepstakes because of its ease of use. All recognized that pine 3.0X had fewer features than the then current versions of elm, mh, mush, etc. But the need to get an easier to use mail program for the bulk of our users won out. (Our committee echoed the sentiment one of you stated so well: "I prefer elm; my users prefer pine I hope that pine can continue to be as easy to use as in the past, even as new features get added! To me, being able to show a tenured faculty member (or a hormone-laden freshperson) how to use pine in 5-10 minutes and then getting the next question via e-mail makes support much more rewarding than spending 20-30 minutes with them and then getting a question over the 'phone! With pine, they have learned how to at least get started communicating with others. Some migrate to other packages, but most stay put in pine. I'll close my rambling with one amusing (well, to me) anecdote: we had a librarian who somehow created a file that ls listed as - He tried the rm - - command I had told him about; he tried quotes, he tried apostrophes, he tried wildcards--in short, he tried everything that had worked under the PREVIOUS version of SunOS (I later learned about the -- flag replacing the - flag....). One of my consultants asked him if he had tried using pine to delete the file. That's what he managed to figure out how to do.... (From the Main menu: C ^r ^t D). Best wishes to all, Richard p.s. We are just getting ready to replace 3.89 with 3.90.... -- Richard Gordon richard@strauss.udel.edu User Services, Smith Hall acs02244@udelvm.bitnet University of Delaware (302) 831-1717 Newark, DE 19716 USA (302) 831-4205 (fax) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 11:35:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27282; Sat, 24 Sep 94 11:35:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21128; Sat, 24 Sep 94 11:32:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21122; Sat, 24 Sep 94 11:32:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qobeR-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 11:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: editing headers to use anon.petit.fi (???!!!) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:56:35 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35ta11$8og@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35ta11$8og@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> You can if you use the current Pine 3.90 release!!! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 23 Sep 1994, Tim of Florida wrote: > > In order to use the anonymous remailer, one must include headers such as: > > To: anon@anon.penet.fi > X-Anon-To: alt.sex.needlework,rec.masturbation > X-Anon-To: jack@host.bar.edu > > To: anon@anon.penet.fi > Subject: Test... > X-Anon-To: foo@bar.fie > X-Anon-Password: XYZZY99998blarf > > > ....but I cannot create these headers in pine. Any help? > > > -- > -- > GE d- H-- s g- p3 au-- a20 w++ v---(+++) c++ U P? L Tim Dellinger > E--- N+++ K- !W M+ V-- po++ Y++ t++ 5-- jx R-- G' tv tdelling@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu > b++ !D B e+ (-)u*(+++) h f* r n+ y++ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 13:16:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29170; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:16:59 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22822; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:12:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22815; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:12:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qodCW-00000nC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 12:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: Re: Pine for VMS??? Message-Id: <1994Sep23.122808.55@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 23 Sep 94 12:28:08 GMT References: In article , doucette@isg-us.com (Armand Doucette) writes: > I'm in search of someone who has run Pine on VMS. I've retrieved the claimed port > from vms.huji.ac.il. The code appears to be missing a key file called os_vms.c if you > get the pine_vms_fixes.tar file and follow the instructions. The pine_beta_9.bck file > appears to be unretrievable by me, at least intact. The format of this VMS Backup > saveset is not maintained when ftp'd(I'm stuck with UCX on VMS...no stru vms). PINE_BETA_9 is the latest version which is based on Pine-3.89. I am now working on the 3.90 version. In order to FTP the above saveset (you can also get the .ZIP one from there) do: $ FTP PINE_BETA_9.BCK into TEST.BCK $ BACKUP some-small-file PINE.BCK/SAVE $ COPY/REPLACE TEST.BCK PINE.BCK and see whether you can read PINE.BCK; if it fails then repeat the two last steps, but use COPY/OVERLAY. __Yehavi: From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 13:17:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29172; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:17:00 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11064; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:12:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11058; Sat, 24 Sep 94 13:12:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qod92-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 12:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pribal!jackl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (jack lowry) Subject: SCO unix local news setup Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 03:28:07 GMT Message-Id: have loaded a precompiled version of pine on my SCO 3.2.4.2 box I have most things working. But what sboud I set news-collections to to read news on the same box. I have RTFMed and tried News on the local host: News *[] Thanx for the help. Jackl -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Lowry Prism Medical Systems |186000 mps not just a good jackl@pribal.wb3ffv.ampr.org |idea....it's the law --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 15:00:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00827; Sat, 24 Sep 94 15:00:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12651; Sat, 24 Sep 94 14:53:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12645; Sat, 24 Sep 94 14:53:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoeiz-00000hC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 14:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pribal!jackl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (jack lowry) Subject: SCO unix local news setup Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:44:13 GMT Message-Id: [ Article crossposted from comp.mail.pine ] [ Author was jack lowry ] [ Posted on Fri, 23 Sep 1994 03:28:07 GMT ] have loaded a precompiled version of pine on my SCO 3.2.4.2 box I have most things working. But what sboud I set news-collections to to read news on the same box. I have RTFMed and tried News on the local host: News *[] Thanx for the help. Jackl -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Lowry Prism Medical Systems |186000 mps not just a good jackl@pribal.wb3ffv.ampr.org |idea....it's the law --------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Lowry Prism Medical Systems |186000 mps not just a good jackl@pribal.wb3ffv.ampr.org |idea....it's the law --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 19:04:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04976; Sat, 24 Sep 94 19:04:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28225; Sat, 24 Sep 94 18:58:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28219; Sat, 24 Sep 94 18:58:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoib6-00000iC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 18:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Automatic Conversion of elm Aliases to addressbook? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:05:20 -0700 Message-Id: References: <35t3pn$3bq@universe.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <35t3pn$3bq@universe.digex.net> This message didn't come from Pine....... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 22 Sep 1994, John Red-Horse wrote: > Howdy, > > I've got myself a little problem and I'm hoping someone else has seen it > and can help me figure things out: I fired up pine 3.90 (I've been going > back and forth between elm and pine) and it gave a message to the effect > of ``converting elm aliases to addressbook format''. (I was sitting there > thinking uh oh...) > > (1) Is there any way to turn off this feature? > > (2) Apparently my elm aliases.text file is too complicated for the filter, > and my old .addressbook file is now hosed. Bummer. I tried pulling the > conversion script off the www site so that I could create a new one from > the elm aliases.text file, but it is too naive to do the job. Is there a > better one out there? > > cheers, > john > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Sep 24 19:20:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05195; Sat, 24 Sep 94 19:20:53 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16952; Sat, 24 Sep 94 19:13:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16946; Sat, 24 Sep 94 19:13:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoinm-00000jC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 18:54 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: keith@zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu (Charlie Keith ) Subject: Using PC-Pine with monochrome VGA Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:29:50 GMT Message-Id: <35us9e$fqp@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> I have set up Pine on my PC, so that I can access IMAP hosts. However, I am running into a problem with my monochrome VGA display: I can only see the highlighted parts. I have tried saying set display=BW at the DOS level, but to no avail. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to fix it (Other than buying a color VGA) Charles Keith Department of Zoology, UGA keith@zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 02:04:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12257; Sun, 25 Sep 94 02:04:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05291; Sun, 25 Sep 94 02:01:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from zeus.datasrv.co.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05284; Sun, 25 Sep 94 02:01:03 -0700 Received: from elexmgw.elex.co.il by zeus.datasrv.co.il with SMTP id AA29447 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 11:02:06 +0200 Received: from elex.co.il (tlhuph12) by elexmgw.elex.co.il (4.1/SMI-4.1-allowed) id AA06331; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:14:51 IST Received: from sysdep.elex.co.il (tlrhp01.elex.co.il) by elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA225010890; Sun, 25 Sep 1994 10:14:51 +0200 Received: from tlhuph07 by sysdep.elex.co.il with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA046710925; Sun, 25 Sep 1994 10:15:25 +0200 Received: by tlhuph07 (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA03021; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:15:11 +0200 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 10:15:10 +0200 (IST) From: "ELEX.Kogan.Alex" X-Sender: talk@tlhuph07 To: Pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 04:41:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15566; Sun, 25 Sep 94 04:41:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07800; Sun, 25 Sep 94 04:38:14 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07794; Sun, 25 Sep 94 04:38:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qorb8-00000sC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 04:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: SCO unix local news setup Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:50:54 GMT Message-Id: References: jack lowry (jackl@pribal.uucp) wrote: : have loaded a precompiled version of pine on my SCO 3.2.4.2 box : I have most things working. But what sboud I set news-collections to : to read news on the same box. I have RTFMed and tried : News on the local host: News *[] Well, looking at my convenient .pinerc here on my SCO box, I can tell you that my news-collections is empty, and instead I have nntp-host set to my local host name. This is with Pine 3.90. Setting the nntp-host turned on the full News reading and posting functions. Gunther From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 07:22:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17940; Sun, 25 Sep 94 07:22:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29343; Sun, 25 Sep 94 07:16:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29337; Sun, 25 Sep 94 07:16:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qou8h-00000IC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 07:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kate@zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu (Kate Blane) Subject: PC-NFS 5, PC-Pine 3.9 Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:39:45 GMT Message-Id: <35v3t1$jot@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> I have installed PC-Pine 3.9 on a machine running PC-NFS 5. Pine can never resolve the host name of the server even if I use the IP number itself. Machines running PC-Pine with packet drivers successfully access the same server so it's narrowed down to the PC-NFS interaction. Any ideas? Thanks. Kate -- ***************************************************************************** * Kate Blane * Internet:kate@zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu * * Computer & Network Support * Cellular Biology Dept, U.Ga, Athens,GA * ***************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 11:04:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21794; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:04:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13405; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:45:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13395; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:45:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoxKJ-00000IC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:25 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com (Brian Kramer) Subject: Pine & Linux - HUGE MEMORY HOG Date: 24 Sep 1994 15:48:10 -0400 Message-Id: <361vpq$99@pluto.njcc.com> I attempted to install Pine 3.90 on my Linux system with 40 megs of ram and had about 3 users running it when memory swapping went haywire. It seems the news features are worse then tin when it comes to memory use. Has anyone else had memory use problems with pine 3.90? -- Brian Kramer - Owner/Systems Administrator - bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com New Jersey Computer Connection - Public Access Unix Site - pluto.njcc.com Voice: 609-896-2799 - Fax: 609-896-2994 - Dialups: 609-896-3191 Dialup or Telnet to pluto.njcc.com and log in as guest for more information. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 11:10:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21933; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:10:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02978; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:52:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02972; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:52:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoxRg-00000iC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbailey@sun.lclark.edu (Don Bailey) Subject: Help: Offline reader/composer? Date: 25 Sep 1994 10:06:30 -0700 Message-Id: <364amm$92v@sun.lclark.edu> Hello all, Can anyone tell me if there is an off-line reader/ composer for pine? I have a dial-in connection from my PC to the Unix box at school, and I would like to be able to conserve modem time. Any help out there? Thanks a lot! Don From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 11:57:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23066; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:57:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14673; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:52:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14667; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:52:41 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qoyQO-00000iC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 11:35 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Ansiprt, WinComm, & HP LaserJet 4M Postscript Printer Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:14:19 GMT Message-Id: <35v2db$gt7@news.halcyon.com> Hello All, I'm having problems printing *directly* from a Unix host to my printer, an HP Laserjet 4M Postscript printer, while using Windows comm software. When I use DOS Kermit I'm able to do all the things I'd like to do, i.e.: [1] Use Pine's Y command to print an ascii email message/news article. [2] Use ansiprt or ansiprint to send an ascii file to my printer. [3] Use ansiprt or ansiprint to send a postscript file to my printer. With WinComm I've had all kinds of problems. I finally figured out that in order to print ascii files ([1] and [2] above) I need to change the print driver from "HP Laserjet 4/4M Postscript" to "HP Laserjet 4/4M." When I have the driver set to "HP Laserjet 4/4M Postscript" I get a page with errors that usually starts with: Offending Command=Date: Error=nametype:undefined this name is not defined in a dictionary Stack= I haven't figured out how to send postscript files directly to my printer. Actually I did get it to work once but then the next postscript file I sent failed. Here's a typical error message I get when trying to send a postscript file (e.g., with "cat filename |ansiprint"): Offending Command=translte Error=nametype:undefined this name is not defined in a dictionary Stack= 0 -59500 On the printer I've got "PERSONALITY" set to "AUTO*" which according to the manual: Under AUTO, the printer analyzes the stream of data being sent to determine which language is being used by the print job, and the printer's personality will "automatically" be switched to that language. The reason I have hope is that I'm able to do these things with no problem using DOS Kermit. If anyone has any suggestions for how to do 1, 2, and 3 from WinComm (or any Windows comm program) please let me know. Thanks much, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 13:37:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25126; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:37:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06149; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:33:00 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06143; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:32:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qozyW-00000pC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: billwill@netcom.com (William Smithers) Subject: How do I INSTALL Pine 3.90? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 22:07:49 GMT Sorry for the stupidity, folks; I HAVE read the Pine FAQ, and "man Pine," -- honest! I currently use Pine 3.89, and would like to install Pine 3.90, but can't find instructions for doing this. Thanks in advance for knowledgeable help. -- Bill Smithers From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 13:43:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25236; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:43:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06291; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:39:43 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rigel.infinet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06285; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:39:42 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qp0MG-000DROC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 16:39 EDT Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Harvey I" Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <35v2db$gt7@news.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe pine-info ___ **************************************************************************** |No Guts, No Glory, No Honor, No Victory, Pillage, Plunder, and Take Heads!| **************************************************************************** | Dave M. Harvey PGP 2.61 Public Key available. | | PO Box 151311 Finger warrior@infinet.com.us | | Columbus, OH 43215-8311 dharvey@freenet.columbus.oh.us | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 13:57:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25481; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:57:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06529; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:53:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06523; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:53:04 -0700 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25044; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:53:02 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 25 Sep 94 21:51:21+0100 Date: 25 Sep 94 21:51:21+0100 From: David M. Harvey I Message-Id: <841375*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> In-Reply-To: <35v2db$gt7@news.halcyon.com> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Nancy McGough , Pine Info List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 14:05:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25715; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:05:39 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17163; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:01:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17157; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:01:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qp0MZ-00000pC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Christopher Aaron Ekberg Subject: PC-Pine 3.90: can't compose Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:44:31 -0400 Message-Id: I keep getting the error "Can't send message without an open remote folder" from the main menu when I try to compose, and "pine user@host" just gives me back a DOS prompt. I've tried fiddling with all of the config options that looked applicable, but I couldn't get it to work. How can I send a message without an open remote folder? I just want to be able to compose from my PC - I don't even want to open an inbox, so I give it a bogus one on my PC (I don't *have* a remote one Pine can use). I was able to do this with 3.89. Note: I *can* send mail if I open a remote folder. I hope there's a better answer than "get the old version". :) Thanks, Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 14:06:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25738; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:06:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06711; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:01:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06705; Sun, 25 Sep 94 14:01:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qp0Nz-00000xC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jrozes@musketeers.tufts.edu (Jonathan Rozes) Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 w/ OSF/1 problem Date: 23 Sep 1994 22:52:53 GMT Message-Id: <35vm85$2lf@Emerald.tufts.edu> Hello-- I've built and installed pine 3.90 on two OSF/1 systems. Both are DEC Alpha 3000/800s. One is running OSF 1.3 while the other is running OSF 3.0. On both, pine was built using DEC C 3.11 with the default settings for osf. The problem is that sometimes (not always), pressing a menu button (hitting 'I' at the main menu for example) or paging through a message yields a bunch of "Unaligned access ... blah blah" errors and screws up the display. There were no warnings that I remember during the compilation, so I don't know where to begin looking. Has anybody else seen this kind of problem? I can't give a more verbose description of the error message now because I can't get it to happen at the moment. Thanks for any info, jonathan +++ Jonathan Rozes, jrozes@musketeers.tufts.edu, jrozes@cs.tufts.edu +++ http://www.tufts.edu/~jrozes/ +++ Mind Over Liver: The liver probably contains 100 million cells, but 1,000 livers do not add up to a rich inner life. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 18:54:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00822; Sun, 25 Sep 94 18:54:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21939; Sun, 25 Sep 94 18:48:48 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21933; Sun, 25 Sep 94 18:48:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qp4vA-00000uC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 18:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oakley@pylon.com (Reid Conti) Subject: Filter/Screen Date: 25 Sep 1994 17:32:16 -0700 Message-Id: <3654qg$ptn@earth.pylon.com> Question: how do you set a screen, so that all mail from a certain person will be.. Hm.. I guess bouncing will work best, if somebody's sending hundreds of flames to you.. =) But, I just want to know how to write a script that allows you to keep mail from certain addresses to ever come into view. -- -Oakkers From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 20:04:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02297; Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:04:56 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12864; Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:58:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12858; Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:58:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qp61J-00000xC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwee@vnet.net (RAY WEE) Subject: where to get pine Date: 24 Sep 1994 04:20:36 GMT Message-Id: <3609ek$g79@ralph.vnet.net> Where can I download Pine from? I understand it is public domain? thanks ray From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 20:13:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02525; Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:13:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23387; Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:07:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23381; Sun, 25 Sep 94 20:07:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qp63l-00000uC; Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nac@ix.netcom.com (Nancy Cedeno) Subject: Posting with Pine? Date: 26 Sep 1994 01:22:43 GMT Message-Id: <3657p3$kr3@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> The recent discussion on using Pine as a newsreader has intrigued me. One question, though... how do you *post* to newsgroups using pine? Thanks in advance, Nancy -- Nancy Cedeno nac@well.sf.ca.us nac@ix.netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 25 21:13:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03593; Sun, 25 Sep 94 21:13:29 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14007; Sun, 25 Sep 94 21:08:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13999; Sun, 25 Sep 94 21:08:27 -0700 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26914; Sun, 25 Sep 94 21:08:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: RAY WEE Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: where to get pine In-Reply-To: <3609ek$g79@ralph.vnet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Sep 1994, RAY WEE wrote: > Where can I download Pine from? I understand it is public domain? Ray, Pine is emphatically *not* in the public domain, but it *is* freely available. You can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the /pine directory. The entire distribution is in /pine/pine.tar.Z and there are also some pre-compiled binaries in the /pine/unix-bin subdirectory. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 04:17:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12595; Mon, 26 Sep 94 04:17:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21191; Mon, 26 Sep 94 04:10:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21179; Mon, 26 Sep 94 04:10:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpDb7-00001BC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 03:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hsasaki@netcom.com (Harold Sasaki) Subject: Re: Reply text Message-Id: References: <357ldv$dmh@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 07:29:14 GMT Roy Bowers [PG] (rbowers@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx) wrote: -> When you include sender-text in Pine, appears the line: -> "On Sept 7, John Doe wrote:" -> Is there any user configurable way to change the default so that line says: -> "On Sept 7, you wrote:" Is there a way to make it say something like: "On Sept 7, alien lifeform resembling Joe Doe wrote:" I know that you can edit that line in the editor, but I was wondering if it can be set to a default so it will appear there everytime. I'm using version 3.89. -- /*******************************************************/ /* Harold Sasaki * San Jose State University */ /* hsasaki@netcom.com * sasa0501@sundance.sjsu.edu */ /*******************************************************/ /* snail mail: homeless, living only in cyberspace */ /*******************************************************/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 05:16:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13733; Mon, 26 Sep 94 05:16:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02649; Mon, 26 Sep 94 05:10:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02643; Mon, 26 Sep 94 05:10:55 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpEcO-000013C; Mon, 26 Sep 94 04:53 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jht@hookomo.aloha.net (James H. Thompson) Subject: Pine3.90a on BSDI Date: 26 Sep 1994 08:23:55 GMT Message-Id: <3660er$e3m@nuhou.aloha.net> I compiled PINE 3.90a using the build BSI option on BSDI 1.1 To get it to compile I had to make the following change: ~/pine390/pine3.90/pico diff efunc.h efunc.h~ 207c207 < extern int sstrcasecmp(void *, void *); --- > extern int sstrcasecmp(const void *, const void *); This may not be the best way to fix it but it worked. This is the only change to any of the files I made. (other than applying the 3.90a address book patches) Also I noticed that if I invoke pine like this: pine -d 0 -p xxx -P xxx When I exit, Pine seems to go into a infinite loop. If I take out the -d 0, then all works fine. Pine 3.90 is great, I really like some of the new features. -- Jim jht@aloha.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 09:58:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23237; Mon, 26 Sep 94 09:58:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28468; Mon, 26 Sep 94 09:53:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ultrix.ramapo.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28457; Mon, 26 Sep 94 09:53:04 -0700 Received: by ultrix (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19473; Mon, 26 Sep 1994 12:53:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Mann Subject: Re: Filter/Screen To: Reid Conti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3654qg$ptn@earth.pylon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are a number of filter programs available. OFten discussed as used with elm is a program called simply filter that allows just this sort of thing. You will have to write no scripts. To see if you have it on your system, just type which filter and hit return. If so, read the man pages or seek further assitance. Hope this helps On 25 Sep 1994, Reid Conti wrote: > Question: how do you set a screen, so that all mail from a certain person > will be.. Hm.. I guess bouncing will work best, if somebody's sending > hundreds of flames to you.. =) But, I just want to know how to write a > script that allows you to keep mail from certain addresses to ever come > into view. > > > -- > > -Oakkers > > Steve "If you choose not to decide, you'll still have made a choice..." -RUSH George Wood (gwood@indirect.com), PhD says "Hey Beavis, give credit where it's due: rush stole that line from William James, and the idea goes back at least to Kierkegaard." ================================================================== / Steve M Insignificant message goes here \ | CCIS: 529-7500 x7922 \|||/ | | Home: 722-1632 0 * | | Beeper: 1-800-502-2775 or 201-909-1575 oo0 ^ 0oo | | Email: smann@ultrix.ramapo.edu ~~~~~~~~~ | | Ramapo College Apartments (Cypress Q): 934-9357 \ This line left blank for no reason / ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 11:33:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29171; Mon, 26 Sep 94 11:33:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01574; Mon, 26 Sep 94 11:27:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01568; Mon, 26 Sep 94 11:27:35 -0700 Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA163444287; Mon, 26 Sep 1994 13:31:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Mandell To: "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Subject: Pine 3.90 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It used to be the case that while reading mail in 2.89 the system would get busy for several seconds, during which time, the upper left Header line would display two asterisks - as I recall. When my keyboard seems unresponsive it gave a visual cue for the time out interval. I don't see this que in 3.90. Has it been dropped from the code, or is this a problem specific to my HPUX environment. Dan -- ===================================== Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu "Others promise you the World. We deliver!": New York Times From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 12:20:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01344; Mon, 26 Sep 94 12:20:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02928; Mon, 26 Sep 94 12:16:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02922; Mon, 26 Sep 94 12:16:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpLFu-00000IC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 11:58 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jargue@crl.com (John Argue) Subject: Set pine/pico Rt Margin at 60? Date: 25 Sep 1994 01:41:45 GMT Message-Id: <362kgp$i4h@nntp.crl.com> :Experienced users post articles with about a sixty right margin, :to accommodate readers using monitors limited to that width. Is: :is possible to set the right margin to wrap at 60? I looked in :man pine, went through .pinerc with editor, but found no margin :commands. Thanks. John Argue jargue@crl.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 14:55:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07833; Mon, 26 Sep 94 14:55:35 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16830; Mon, 26 Sep 94 14:49:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16818; Mon, 26 Sep 94 14:49:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpNbe-00000IC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 14:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brad@freenet.unbc.edu (Brad Smith) Subject: [Q] Building pine 3.90 on BSD/386 Date: 24 Sep 1994 14:46:47 -0701 Message-Id: <3626oo$abo@freenet.unbc.edu> Has anyone been able to successfully build pine 3.90 on BSD/386? I run a 'build bsi' and most of the compilations work, but I get a problem. The function sstrcasecmp in osdep.c doesn't compile for pico and this just causes additional problems further down. If anyone has a patch, I'd appreciate it emailed or posted. Thanks. build bsi make args are "CC=cc" rm: c-client: is a directory rm: imapd: is a directory ln: c-client/c-client: File exists ln: imapd/imapd: File exists Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=bsi echo bsi > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s ANSI systype cd ANSI/c-client; make bsi make mtest OS=bsi EXTRADRIVERS="" STDPROTO=bezerkproto RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -O -pipe " ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo bsi > OSTYPE echo -g -O -pipe > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_bsi.h osdep.h cc -g -O -pipe -c mail.c cc -g -O -pipe -c bezerk.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mtx.c cc -g -O -pipe -c tenex2.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mbox.c cc -g -O -pipe -c mh.c mh.c: In function mh_ping: mh.c:811: warning: argument #4: argument passing between incompatible pointer types mh.c: In function mh_append: mh.c:1048: warning: argument #4: argument passing between incompatible pointer types cc -g -O -pipe -c mmdf.c cc -g -O -pipe -c imap2.c cc -g -O -pipe -c pop3.c cc -g -O -pipe -c news.c news.c: In function news_open: news.c:320: warning: argument #4: argument passing between incompatible pointer types cc -g -O -pipe -c nntpcunx.c cc -g -O -pipe -c phile.c cc -g -O -pipe -c dummy.c cc -g -O -pipe -c smtp.c cc -g -O -pipe -c nntp.c cc -g -O -pipe -c rfc822.c cc -g -O -pipe -c misc.c cc -g -O -pipe -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto -DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -c os_bsi.c mv os_bsi.o osdep.o cc -g -O -pipe -c sm_unix.c rm -f c-client.a ar rc c-client.a mail.o bezerk.o mtx.o tenex2.o mbox.o mh.o mmdf.o imap2.o pop3.o news.o nntpcunx.o phile.o dummy.o smtp.o nntp.o rfc822.o misc.o osdep.o sm_unix.o ranlib c-client.a cc -g -O -pipe -c mtest.c cc -g -O -pipe -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a cd ANSI/ms;make cd ANSI/ipopd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop2d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop2d ipop2d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c ipop3d.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o ipop3d ipop3d.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` cd ANSI/imapd;make cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -c imapd.c cc -I../c-client `cat ../c-client/CFLAGS` -o imapd imapd.o ../c-client/c-client.a `cat ../c-client/LDFLAGS` Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g attach.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g ansi.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g basic.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g bind.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g browse.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g buffer.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g composer.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g display.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g file.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g fileio.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g line.c cc -c -DBSDI -DJOB_CONTROL -DANSI -g osdep.c osdep.c: In function alt_editor: osdep.c:644: warning: argument #1: argument passing between incompatible pointer types osdep.c: In function sstrcasecmp: osdep.c:1499: argument `s1' doesn't match function prototype osdep.c:1499: argument `s2' doesn't match function prototype *** Error code 1 Stop. Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-bsi.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c addrbook.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c adrbklib.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c args.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c context.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c filter.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c folder.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c helptext.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c imap.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c init.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c mailcap.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c mailindx.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c mailpart.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c mailview.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c newmail.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c other.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c pine.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c print.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c reply.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c screen.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c send.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c signals.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c status.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c strings.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c ttyin.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-bsi.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-bsi.ic > os-bsi.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-bsi.c os.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -c os.c os.c: In function close_system_pipe: os.c:1167: warning: argument #1: argument passing between incompatible pointer types echo "char datestamp[]="\"`date`\"";" > date.c cc -c -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -o date.o date.c cc -DBSDI -O -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"BSI\" -o pine addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o mailindx.o mailpart.o mailview.o newmail.o other.o pine.o print.o reply.o screen.o send.o signals.o status.o strings.o ttyin.o ttyout.o os.o date.o ../pico/libpico.a ../c-client/c-client.a -ltermlib ld: No such file or directory for ../pico/libpico.a *** Error code 1 Stop. Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: No such file or directory text data bss dec hex 282624 16384 26204 325212 4f65c bin/mtest 294912 16384 33520 344816 542f0 bin/imapd size: bin/pico: No such file or directory Done From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 15:36:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09754; Mon, 26 Sep 94 15:36:39 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08009; Mon, 26 Sep 94 15:32:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08003; Mon, 26 Sep 94 15:32:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpOI1-00000sC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 15:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmcleod@clark.net (Mark McLeod) Subject: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:18:26 -0400 Message-Id: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When I reply to a message, my signature is above the text of the message to which I am replying. How can I configure `pine' so that it will place the signature at the bottom of the message, after the text to which I am replying? Tia. -- Mark McLeod (mmcleod@clark.net) GCS$/L/P d-- H-- s g+++ p4+ !au a w+ v- C++++ US+ P+ L 3 E N+++ K+++ W M !V -po+ Y+@ t+@ 5++ j R+ G? tv+ b+>++ !D B--- e+++ u++(**) h+ f r--(---) n-(----) x?(++) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 16:04:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10951; Mon, 26 Sep 94 16:04:29 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18741; Mon, 26 Sep 94 16:00:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18730; Mon, 26 Sep 94 16:00:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpOgA-00000IC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 15:37 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gunther@ssi.edc.org (Gunther Anderson) Subject: Re: Posting with Pine? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:37:36 GMT Message-Id: References: <3657p3$kr3@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Nancy Cedeno (nac@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : The recent discussion on using Pine as a newsreader has intrigued me. : One question, though... how do you *post* to newsgroups using pine? Step 1, get pine 3.90. Pine 3.90 has an additional header, available by request in normal message creation, and by default when composing a message while reading a newsgroup, called something to the effect of "Newsgroups:", which, when filled in, causes the message to be posted to a newsgroup, in addition to being mailed to any addresses in the "To:", "CC:", or "BCC:" headers. Gunther From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 18:31:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16887; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:31:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12474; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:23:37 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12468; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:23:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpQxA-00000iC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: karim@parallel.alex.qc.ca (Karim Aktouf) Subject: Test only, don't read Message-Id: <1994Sep22.201334.4123@parallel.alex.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:13:34 GMT test only -- | Karim AKTOUF (karim@alex.qc.ca), B. Ing. | | Software Designer at Alex Parallel Computers Inc. | |---------------------------------------------------------| | "The real voyage of discovery consists not in | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 26 18:51:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17290; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:51:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22903; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:45:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22894; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:44:53 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpRJm-00000iC; Mon, 26 Sep 94 18:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rob McKenzie Subject: Re: PGP and Pine Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: <34c3le$680@elaine.teleport.com> <35iq8t$okc@inasec.ca> <361187$eje@trane.uninett.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <361187$eje@trane.uninett.no> On 24 Sep 1994, Ketil Hunn wrote: > > -----< CUT >----- > > -----< END >---- > > Where do I put this script so Pine can take advantage of PGP? I've searched > the help file, but it says nothing about scripts... Just put the script somewhere in the path so that Pine can find it.. and set up your Alternate Editor to call this script. So when your composing a message just press ^_ and off you go. Cheers!!! Rob McKenzie COPAC Support Technician +1 613 765 3107 (ESN 395-3107) Carling, Lab 5, 3rd West, Pillar B5 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 00:34:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24891; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:34:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28308; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:24:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28301; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:24:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpWZ5-00000iC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chris@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Chris Tatarnic) Subject: Distribution Lists Message-Id: <1994Sep26.194619.28713@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:46:19 GMT Does pine have the ability to 'Take an Address' to your Distribution List or can you Cut and Paste the data from your '.addressbook' file inside Pine to accomplish the same thing? Thanks in advance -- *--------------* Chris Tatarnic, User Services, Brock University | \\ | // | St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada - L2S 3A1 | (o o) | 905-688-5550 (X3445) *-o00--(_)--00o-* chris@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 00:34:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24899; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:34:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19040; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:24:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19034; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:24:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpWa8-00000jC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 00:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis) Subject: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 03:40:46 GMT [ Article crossposted from alt.clearing.technology ] [ Author was Homer Wilson Smith ] [ Posted on Mon, 26 Sep 1994 03:32:10 -0400 ] There is a new version of Pine 3.90 that many of you will be using soon if you are not already. This version has some serious changes from previous versions, some of which are security risks to users of the older version. The recent failure to keep private mail private that went down between Tony and Enid happened like this. Enid made a public posting to a.c.t. Tony responded by 'reply' private mail to Enid. Enid, using the new Pine 3.90, hit Reply to answer by private mail. Pine presented a NEW prompt which asked if Enid wanted the answer to go to the public newsgroup. This was confusing as never before has a mailer been able to do this, post private mail to a public news group. Enid answered yes automatically probably thinking it meant reply to all recipients which is what is usually meant, OR thinking that the posting must have been public from the beginning since it was asking about the newsgroup in the first place, and the file went to a.c.t., rather than Tony by private mail. Yer all gonna get burned by this one, so watch out. The problem is you will get burned by the OTHER guy who is answering your private mail, that you sent from tin or rn or some such. So if you want mail to remain private SAY SO. Homer -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | cbwillis@netcom.com | "Values are the infrastructure | | | upon which civilization | | | will be reinvented." -- CBW | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 03:48:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29409; Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:48:49 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01404; Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:32:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from werple.apana.org.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01393; Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:32:40 -0700 Received: from bushwire.apana.org.au (bushwire.apana.org.au [192.188.107.58]) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16219 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:32:27 +1000 Received: (from markd@localhost) by bushwire.apana.org.au (8.6.9/bwnf7) id UAA03804; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:32:22 +1000 To: apana-lists-mail-pine@apana.org.au Path: news From: markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany) Newsgroups: apana.lists.mail.pine Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 27 Sep 1994 20:32:20 +1000 Organization: APANA regional feed site - Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <368sbk$3mp@bushwire.apana.org.au> References: cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis) writes: > There is a new version of Pine 3.90 that many of you will >be using soon if you are not already. > This version has some serious changes from previous versions, some >of which are security risks to users of the older version. > Enid, using the new Pine 3.90, hit Reply to answer by private mail. >Pine presented a NEW prompt which asked if Enid wanted the answer to go to >the public newsgroup. This was confusing as never before has a mailer >been able to do this, post private mail to a public news group. Enid >answered yes I tend to agree with the poster that this new functionality has a tendency to produce the undesireable result of making a private mail public by accident especially to the uninitiated for which this product is intended. I was inundated with a set of these recently when many people responded to a news posting I made and I found it disconcerting to have to take action to stop the reply being posted to the newsgroup. Perhaps a rewording of the question and changing it to a default that results in no posting might be appropriate? M.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 04:01:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29676; Tue, 27 Sep 94 04:01:49 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22613; Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:47:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22607; Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:47:38 -0700 Received: from euston.city.ac.uk by rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <11718-0@rye.city.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:46:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:45:52 +0000 (GMT) From: NoRM X-Sender: sk385@euston To: Pine Info Subject: 3.91 enhancement request Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can [N] and [P] in the folder index skip over deleted messages ? Or can we have an option in the config for it ? I expunge very infrequently and would prefer not to have to rummage around lots of deleted messages... N. .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | F1419, City University Business School, norm@city.ac.uk (MIME) | | Frobisher Crescent, London EC2Y 8HB. (+44) 71 477 8187 | ` ' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 06:28:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03630; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:28:20 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04177; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:19:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04171; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:19:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpcAh-00000sC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:02 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@alpha.cisi.unige.it (system PRIVILEGED account) Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: 23 Sep 1994 12:23:58 +0200 Message-Id: <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it> References: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> George A. Theall (theall1@tju.edu) wrote: : > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. : > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered : > >salute to shutdown the window. : > pc-pine reads mail with imap, but sends with smtp. Maybe there is a : > problem with the smtp server you are tring to use. : Hmm, I am able to use the same smtp gateway with other packages. I have : also tried other smtp servers with no success. : > Also, wpine never puts up an hourglass cursor : My mistake. It simply does not send the mail and does not return a : prompt. Further, I'm prevented from switching to another task until I : use to cancel out of PC-Pine. : George Also I have the same problem, all work wpine don't send , I use Trumpet Winsock 1beta6 and IDA Sendmail on a SGI as SMTP server Sandro From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 06:33:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03748; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:33:26 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25708; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:24:28 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25702; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:24:26 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpcDm-000012C; Tue, 27 Sep 94 06:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Readmail Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:58:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know where I can get Readmail 4.1 or later? Thanks! --Simon. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 09:25:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09551; Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:25:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07839; Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:11:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07833; Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:11:28 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpeoH-000011C; Tue, 27 Sep 94 08:51 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gohyp@solomon.technet.sg (Goh Yan Pin) Subject: PC-PINE:use of user name in From field Date: 26 Sep 1994 04:34:01 GMT Message-Id: <365ivp$ij9@raffles.technet.sg> Hi netters, I am in the process of setting PC-PINE 3.89 to run on a Novell net connecting to out Unix server. This problem may be a FAQ but I could not find the answer to it. Please let me know where I can find the answers. What I need is a single copy of PINERC for all users. I have successfully set up PINERC so that users will be asked to log on everytime they run PINE. However I can't seems to get PINE to use the log in name in the "From:" field in a compose message. PC-PINE will ask for one if I have it blanked in the config. Doesn't this make it easy to send fake mails? Any solutions will be welcomed. I appreciate if you can answer by E-mail. thanks very much in advance. -- =========================================================================== Goh Yan Pin NEC Semiconductors Singapore Pte. Ltd. Tel:+65 4819881 Fax:+65 4801488 38 Ang Mo Kio Industrial Park 2 Email:gohyp@olive.necss.nec.co.jp Singapore 2056 gohyp@solomon.technet.sg =========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 11:21:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14914; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:21:15 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11170; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:15:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11160; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:14:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpgmf-00000pC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 10:57 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Keele@Duke.Usask.CA (A. Ross Keele) Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:08:13 GMT Message-Id: <369jht$gic@tribune.usask.ca> References: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it> In article <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it>, root@news.unige.it (system PRIVILEGED account) says: > >George A. Theall (theall1@tju.edu) wrote: >: > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. >: > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered >: > >salute to shutdown the window. > >Also I have the same problem, all work wpine don't send , I use Trumpet Winsock 1beta6 and IDA Sendmail on a SGI as SMTP server And I as well. Same symptoms. All other apps work fine with the IMAP server and SMTP. I'm using MS TCP/IP stack (and have also tried Trumpet beta 15). \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o | /\ __\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ A. Ross Keele Ross.Keele@Usask.CA Dept. of Psychology Keele@Duke.Usask.CA University of Saskatchewan http://www.usask.ca/~keele/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 11:23:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14967; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:23:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02993; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:14:57 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02987; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:14:54 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpglt-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 10:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz (Alan Brown) Subject: Re: Pine reading keys that aren't pressed. Date: 25 Sep 1994 13:48:38 +1200 Message-Id: <362ktm$987@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , Dion Vansevenant wrote: > >One of my users connects to the system via DataPac and has just recently >tried to use Pine3.90. For some reason the error message "Command '^S' >not defined for this screen. Use ? for help." appears, and re-appears, ad >nauseum, until the only option left is to kill the process. > >This account works just fine otherwise, and pine works fine when logging >in directly. It appears only to happen when using DataPac. > >Has anyone else experienced a similar problem, or perhaps do you know >what may be causing this? My bet is that "DataPac" is using Xon/Xoff flow control. -- alan@manawatu.planet.co.nz==alan@manawatu.gen.nz~~brown_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Manawatu Internet Services, "We should grant power over our affairs only to Box 678, Palmerston North, those who are reluctant to hold it and then only New Zealand +64 25 480-204 under conditions that increase the reluctance." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 11:34:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15351; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:34:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03288; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:26:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03282; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:26:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpgvp-00000iC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:07 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jgraham@herbie.unl.edu (John Graham) Subject: Re: Signature *after* quoted text in replies? Date: 26 Sep 1994 22:21:32 GMT Message-Id: <367hhc$bd6@crcnis1.unl.edu> References: <366vp2$5mq@explorer.clark.net> Mark McLeod (mmcleod@clark.net) wrote: : When I reply to a message, my signature is above the text of the : message to which I am replying. How can I configure `pine' so that it : will place the signature at the bottom of the message, after the text : to which I am replying? : Tia. : : -- I know that pine 3.9 has that option in the Configure section of it but what I can't get it to do is to put the sig file after a fowarded file. -- )|( -------------------------------ooO--(o o)--Ooo-------------------------------- John Graham (_) jgraham@herbie.unl.edu Sophomore University of Nebraska - Lincoln From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 11:39:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15614; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:39:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11697; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:35:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11682; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:35:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qph6z-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 11:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Subject: remote Fcc: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 16:42:47 GMT I'm trying to configure Pine v3.89 to direct copies of outgoing mail to a remote machine. the manual suggests changing .pinerc to include the following line: default-fcc={domain}path; e.g. {netcom.com}/usr/mail/sent-mail. I have two questions, first, can fcc have two files, a local and a remote? second, on the remote, I'm not exactly certain of the proper syntax and would like some guidance. E.g., my dial-up account is gbgf@netcom.com and my files reside under /usr/gbgf/..., what would the proper fcc line be in .pinerc on another machine for my other account, to forward copies of sent mail to the netcom account? thanks for any assistance. -- If it's not Brooklyn, don't fix it! gbgf@netcom.com (Jerry Stein) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 12:57:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19225; Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:57:02 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13695; Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:52:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13685; Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:51:58 -0700 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-11 #2001) id <01HHLVQAW5UAIRHR8E@INNOSOFT.COM>; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Pine support question To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This is for Pine 3.89 When I'm reading new mail and I hit 'd' it deletes my current message and goes on to the next. Sometimes I don't want to read the next message yet (and I want to leave it as new). I find I can hit 'i' first then 'd' and then I don't have to read the next message. I also see that there is a setting that causes me to move to the next non-deleted message (instead of just the next message). Is there an option to stay on the current message on a delete instead of going to the next? This is so trivial, I wouldn't even think of asking for one if it doesn't exist already, but I would probably use it if it did exist. /portia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 13:52:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22129; Tue, 27 Sep 94 13:52:06 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06723; Tue, 27 Sep 94 13:20:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06717; Tue, 27 Sep 94 13:20:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpikR-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 13:03 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: altschh@iia.org (Howard Altschuler) Subject: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? Date: 27 Sep 1994 01:11:22 GMT Message-Id: <367rfq$lli@ankh.iia.org> I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? Thanks -- Howard Altschuler, New Jersey, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 15:05:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25060; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:05:25 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17165; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:00:35 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17154; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:00:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpkGS-00000iC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 14:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kmku@encserver (K.M.Ku ~{9K=uCw~} Ku Kam Ming) Subject: What is MIME/PINE/PICO Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 08:47:11 GMT I am new in this! I know PICO is a text editor. So, can someone intruct me to know them ? BTY, can you also tell me what ftp site I can get them? I used ELM and TIN!! -- *************************************************** kmku kmku@encserver.en.hkp.hk *************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 15:35:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26704; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:35:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10033; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:30:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10027; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:30:33 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpklq-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 15:13 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gerald Skerbitz Subject: Re: Pine reading keys that aren't pressed. In-Reply-To: <362ktm$987@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:43:18 GMT On 25 Sep 1994, Alan Brown wrote: > In article , > Dion Vansevenant wrote: > > > >One of my users connects to the system via DataPac and has just recently > >tried to use Pine3.90. For some reason the error message "Command '^S' > >not defined for this screen. Use ? for help." appears, and re-appears, ad > >nauseum, until the only option left is to kill the process. > > > >This account works just fine otherwise, and pine works fine when logging > >in directly. It appears only to happen when using DataPac. > > > >Has anyone else experienced a similar problem, or perhaps do you know > >what may be causing this? > > > My bet is that "DataPac" is using Xon/Xoff flow control. That's a pretty simple answer. One of my users had the same problem, and I finally got it myself. It doesn't happen with pine 3.07, so something's changed with pine. Any clues? We're just using any terminal emulator dialing into a 7-bit even parity line. It's true, that it's got to have something to do with flow control, but why is pine seeing it in 3.9, and didn't in 3.07? -- Gerry Gerald Skerbitz U of MN Med School Admin 6-5379 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 16:09:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28721; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:09:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19060; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:04:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19054; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:04:22 -0700 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25303; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:04:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 16:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Gray To: "C. B. Willis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII CB, This is a flat-out bug. Apparently Pine 3.90 occassionally gets confused and thinks a message should be posted when it shouldn't. The way it is supposed to work is that *if and only if* the newsgroups header is filled in, will Pine attempt to post. "We're working on it." -teg On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, C. B. Willis wrote: > [ Article crossposted from alt.clearing.technology ] > [ Author was Homer Wilson Smith ] > [ Posted on Mon, 26 Sep 1994 03:32:10 -0400 ] > > There is a new version of Pine 3.90 that many of you will > be using soon if you are not already. > > This version has some serious changes from previous versions, some > of which are security risks to users of the older version. > > The recent failure to keep private mail private that went down > between Tony and Enid happened like this. > > Enid made a public posting to a.c.t. > > Tony responded by 'reply' private mail to Enid. > > Enid, using the new Pine 3.90, hit Reply to answer by private mail. > Pine presented a NEW prompt which asked if Enid wanted the answer to go to > the public newsgroup. This was confusing as never before has a mailer > been able to do this, post private mail to a public news group. Enid > answered yes automatically probably thinking it meant reply to all > recipients which is what is usually meant, OR thinking that the posting > must have been public from the beginning since it was asking about the > newsgroup in the first place, and the file went to a.c.t., rather than > Tony by private mail. > > Yer all gonna get burned by this one, so watch out. The problem > is you will get burned by the OTHER guy who is answering your private > mail, that you sent from tin or rn or some such. > > So if you want mail to remain private SAY SO. > > Homer > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | cbwillis@netcom.com | "Values are the infrastructure | > | | upon which civilization | > | | will be reinvented." -- CBW | > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 16:38:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA30000; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:38:50 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19989; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:34:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19975; Tue, 27 Sep 94 16:34:03 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA26441; Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:32:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:32:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Gerald Skerbitz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine reading keys that aren't pressed. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > On 25 Sep 1994, Alan Brown wrote: > > > In article , > > Dion Vansevenant wrote: > > > > > >One of my users connects to the system via DataPac and has just recently > > >tried to use Pine3.90. For some reason the error message "Command '^S' > > >not defined for this screen. Use ? for help." appears, and re-appears, ad > > >nauseum, until the only option left is to kill the process. [blah, blah, blah] > > > > > > My bet is that "DataPac" is using Xon/Xoff flow control. > > That's a pretty simple answer. One of my users had the same problem, and > I finally got it myself. It doesn't happen with pine 3.07, so > something's changed with pine. Any clues? We're just using any terminal > emulator dialing into a 7-bit even parity line. It's true, that it's got > to have something to do with flow control, but why is pine seeing it in > 3.9, and didn't in 3.07? > One solution that was posed, and seems to work, is the removal of a couple of lines from the ttyin.c file. These lines have to do with ignoring ^Q/^S, but don't *seem* to work. Removing them solves that problem. I don't know why 3.90 is reacting the way it is. Hopefully the Pine Team (or someone else who knows the code) would be able to explain this better. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 17:31:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02680; Tue, 27 Sep 94 17:31:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21625; Tue, 27 Sep 94 17:27:04 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from werple.apana.org.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21615; Tue, 27 Sep 94 17:26:59 -0700 Received: from bushwire.apana.org.au (bushwire.apana.org.au [192.188.107.58]) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18542 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:26:46 +1000 Received: (from markd@localhost) by bushwire.apana.org.au (8.6.9/bwnf7) id KAA10164; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:26:37 +1000 To: apana-lists-mail-pine@apana.org.au Path: news From: markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany) Newsgroups: apana.lists.mail.pine Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 28 Sep 1994 10:26:36 +1000 Organization: APANA regional feed site - Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36ad7s$9th@bushwire.apana.org.au> References: gray@cac.washington.edu (Terry Gray) writes: >CB, >This is a flat-out bug. Apparently Pine 3.90 occassionally gets confused >and thinks a message should be posted when it shouldn't. The way it is >supposed to work is that *if and only if* the newsgroups header is filled >in, will Pine attempt to post. >"We're working on it." My original follow-up (suggesting that the question should be inverted) was based on the functionality when working correctly. That is, that posting should default to "no" even if there is a newsgroup header as a number of newsreader/mailer combos seem to be putting the Newsgroup header in automatically as part of a private reply to a newsposting. Is there any possibility of this being considered? M.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 18:24:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04630; Tue, 27 Sep 94 18:24:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22754; Tue, 27 Sep 94 18:20:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22748; Tue, 27 Sep 94 18:20:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpnSI-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 18:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: galt@csulb.edu (Charles Galt) Subject: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: 27 Sep 1994 07:03:11 GMT Message-Id: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> I can no longer (still using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our system PINE on Unix mainframe. Thanks... Chuck -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Charles Galt, Professor Tel: 310-985-4808 | | Department of Biological Sciences Fax: 310-985-2315 | | California State University Internet: galt@csulb.edu | | 1250 Bellflower Boulevard Omnet: c.galt | | Long Beach, CA 90840-3702, USA Finger: galt@beach.csulb.edu| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 19:47:05 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07085; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:47:05 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16617; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:42:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16611; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:42:22 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpohU-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) Subject: Re: pine 3.90 bug under Solaris 2.3? (with patch) Date: 27 Sep 1994 14:38:02 -0700 Message-Id: <36a3bq$1ib@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <357bq8$md9@greve.ucs.ubc.ca> <35mva0$j8b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <35mva0$j8b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) writes: > > >>Every once in a while since installing pine 3.90 on our solaris 2.3 system >>I've been catching pine processes that have gone into a tight loop. The problem >>appears to be caused by the user having logoff (probably forcefully) and pine >>not picking up on the fact that he should now go away. > >We get exactly the same thing with 3.89. It seems to happen more on our >SPARCServer 2000 than our 1000. We have no ideas why. > >I was just able to induce it by sending the pine's parent ksh a >SIGKILL, but then the next few time I was not able to induce it. >If anyone has any suggestions, please come forth. :-) I think the following patch will fix at least one cause of the loop (the read part). If we read 0 bytes from a terminal it means that that the terminal is no longer there. I've just installed this patch so we'll see what happens :-) George *** 1.1 1994/08/29 23:11:57 --- pine3.90/pico/os_unix.c 1994/09/27 21:23:09 *************** *** 344,350 **** int i; if((i = read(0, &c, 1)) <= 0){ ! if(i == 0 || errno == EINTR) return(NODATA); else kill(getpid(), SIGHUP); --- 344,350 ---- int i; if((i = read(0, &c, 1)) <= 0){ ! if(errno == EINTR) return(NODATA); else kill(getpid(), SIGHUP); -- George Lindholm phone: (604) 822-4375 University Computing Services, UBC fax: (604) 822-5116 6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, B.C., Canada internet: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca V6T 1Z2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 20:02:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07407; Tue, 27 Sep 94 20:02:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24444; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:57:44 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24438; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:57:42 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpouA-00000iC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 19:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc_s551@kingston.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Subject: help need with IMAP Date: 27 Sep 1994 09:19:40 GMT Message-Id: <368o3c$mj6@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> I have pine compiled on a unix box and want to access my vms mail on out vms box. The vms box has PMDF and runs a IMAP2 (not IMAP2bis) client, the client seems ok but I cannot seem to read any mail, I can connect to the server with pine and login, but I allways get the folder opened with 0 messages. Can some one explain again the syntax for IMAP mail boxes with pine ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YES, the loonies are running the asylum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you have an american express card you are the problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. ===== stuck on an information B road ==== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 22:51:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11320; Tue, 27 Sep 94 22:51:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20080; Tue, 27 Sep 94 22:46:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20074; Tue, 27 Sep 94 22:46:45 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qprXJ-00000iC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 22:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kellum@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Mervyn Kellum) Subject: Re: No cntrl-key on MacPlus Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:41:28 GMT Message-Id: <369sh8$dg9@news.tamu.edu> References: <35rvt0$nqq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Ted Y Wilson (tywilson@umich.edu) wrote: : A colleague wants to use Pine, but she has no control key on her : keyboard, a MacPlus. Is there a work around, some code, that would : send the same signal as the control+X for example required to : send mail? i have a mac plus at home and have no problem with using the 'cloverleaf' key instead of Ctrl. the only problem i have had is trying to switch to vi by typing ^_. on my plus, i've had to type ^(shift) underscore key. otherwise, no probs. let me know if i can be of further help. -- Mervyn Kellum email:kellum@tiaer.tarleton.edu standard disclaimers apply "The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear." - Jiddu Krishnamurti From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Sep 27 23:11:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11710; Tue, 27 Sep 94 23:11:48 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27875; Tue, 27 Sep 94 23:06:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27869; Tue, 27 Sep 94 23:06:48 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpruG-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 22:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lindae@netcom.com Subject: Including Uploaded Articles in Mail...HOW? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:59:13 GMT I create documents on a PC in MicroSoft Word and need to upload them to my NET directory and then e-mail them off to another user. Does anyone know the most effective way of doing this. Here's the problem...I've been able to successfully upload the articles using ProComm Plus and include them in my mail, but the person on the other end receives my document with all kinds of weird line wrapping, making it virtually unreadable. I've tried uuencoding the document online before I send it, but that doesn't seem to work either. Any helpful, step by step instructions would be most appreciated! Please e-mail to lindae@netcom.com Thanks Linda lindae@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 00:05:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12744; Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:05:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21341; Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:01:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21335; Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:01:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpsiw-00000IC; Tue, 27 Sep 94 23:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Subject: Re: Including Uploaded Articles in Mail...HOW? Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:11:51 GMT lindae@netcom.com wrote: : I create documents on a PC in MicroSoft Word and need to upload them : to my NET directory and then e-mail them off to another user. Does : anyone know the most effective way of doing this. What I've done is use pkzip to create a zipfile. Upload the zipfile to your home directory, then send e-mail with the zipfile as an attachment. I've had no problems (sending or receiving) files, although I use Wordperfect (it shouldn't make any difference). No need to uuencode with this method. Jerry Stein -- If it's not Brooklyn, don't fix it! gbgf@netcom.com (Jerry Stein) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 02:33:22 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16399; Wed, 28 Sep 94 02:33:22 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01604; Wed, 28 Sep 94 02:29:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01598; Wed, 28 Sep 94 02:29:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qpv0j-00000iC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 02:09 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: abdu@agora.rdrop.com (Abdel-Hadi Bukres) Subject: Where's the FAQ!!? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 07:23:38 GMT I checked rtfm.mit.edu and couldn't find the FAQ. Where is it? -- Abdel-Hadi Bukres abdu@agora.rain.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 07:06:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24361; Wed, 28 Sep 94 07:06:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29165; Wed, 28 Sep 94 06:55:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uu3.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29159; Wed, 28 Sep 94 06:55:44 -0700 Received: from naz.edu by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14309 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:35:56 -0400 Received: from hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu by naz.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA12432; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:20:57 EDT Received: by hydra.naz.edu.naz.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA04033; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:25:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael A. Naud" To: Pine Discussion Group Subject: Modify help screens Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need to modify the built in help screens in Pine and Pico. How can this be done? Is it possible? I have the untarred the Pine3.90 file, but don't know which file to modify. Thx Michael A. Naud Dept. of Academic Computing ---- Michael A. Naud (716) 586-2525 VOICE Nazareth College of Rochester (716) 586-2452 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-3980 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 09:48:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01896; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:48:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04011; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:41:09 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04005; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:41:07 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01913; 28 Sep 94 12:41 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA19753; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:40:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: new feature ( select/apply ) tips. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This may be obvious to some of you, but I'm still getting used to some of the new features in Pine, and discovering some of the (to me) non obvious tricks, so I'll share a couple of them: To reply and include text from several messages in one post: SELECT the messages. Then APPLY REPLY to the messages. This will allow you to include all of the selected messages in your reply. To select a subset of already selected messages when there's not an obvious selection criteria for the ones you want: You can step thru and unselect current on the messages you don't want, but when there are more you DON'T want than the ones you do want to include, this is tedious. Instead, pick them manually and flag them important, and then select by flag. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 09:56:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02344; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:56:10 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04351; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:51:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04345; Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:51:08 -0700 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-11 #2001) id <01HHN3P3EHDQIRHR8E@INNOSOFT.COM>; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: help need with IMAP In-Reply-To: <368o3c$mj6@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> To: Robert Bannocks Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, Robert Bannocks wrote: > I have pine compiled on a unix box and want to access my vms mail on out vms > box. The vms box has PMDF and runs a IMAP2 (not IMAP2bis) client, > the client seems ok but I cannot seem to read any mail, I can connect to the > server with pine and login, but I allways get the folder opened with > 0 messages. Can some one explain again the syntax for IMAP mail boxes with > pine ? in your pinerc file, try this folder-collections=vms {vmssystem-fqdn}[] for a mail file other than the default, use folder-collections=vms {fqdn}#device:filename.mai#[] if your device contains a $ sign, then you should define an env. variable in DOS say diskname and use {fqdn}#$diskname:filename.mai#[] and have diskname contain the $2$dka200 type of notation. you can do this for your inbox-path= also in your pinerc file. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YES, the loonies are running the asylum > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you have an american express card you are the problem > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk > Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. > > ===== stuck on an information B road ==== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 10:37:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04826; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:37:35 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05966; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:29:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05960; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:29:34 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa12963; 28 Sep 94 13:29 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA22508; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:29:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: "Michael A. Naud" Cc: Pine Discussion Group Subject: Re: Modify help screens In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Michael A. Naud wrote: > I need to modify the built in help screens in Pine and Pico. How can this > be done? Is it possible? I have the untarred the Pine3.90 file, but don't > know which file to modify. I believe most of the help info is compiled into the program, however, if you create a "/usr/local/lib/pine.info" file, it will be displayed in the "local" part of the help file. Typically, you would put contact info for the local maintainer/installer, etc. I looked into this and asked some questions earlier: what I would like is a way to distribute user notices ( like, for example, to pre-advise them that I'm about to install a new version of Pine, and how to run the old version if they discover any problems, etc. ) You can modify the new-user message that they will get the first time they change versions, but this requires modifying the source and recompiling. I suppose I could create a shared mailbox, and set the global config file to check that mailbox for newmail. How do flags like NEW or DELETED work in a shared mailbox. I assume it has to be an IMAP mailbox for this to work. Does that mean it has to be specified with {host}, even if it's local, or does c-client use IMAP access by default ? Has anyone tried this sort of thing ? -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 10:51:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05393; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:51:31 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06865; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:47:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from java.imsa.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06858; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:47:19 -0700 Received: from pepsi.imsa.edu (pepsi [143.195.1.5]) by postoffice.imsa.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10362 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:47:20 -0500 From: bill@imsa.edu Received: (bill@localhost) by pepsi.imsa.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA14276 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:47:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199409281747.MAA14276@pepsi.imsa.edu> Subject: info To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:47:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 144 Please forgive the general posting - would someone be kind enough to send information on subscribing and unsubscribing to this list. Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 10:57:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05782; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:57:03 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06962; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:49:54 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06956; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:49:51 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq2pE-00000iC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Waggoner Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, C. B. Willis wrote: > Enid, using the new Pine 3.90, hit Reply to answer by private mail. > Pine presented a NEW prompt which asked if Enid wanted the answer to go to > the public newsgroup. This was confusing as never before has a mailer > been able to do this, post private mail to a public news group. Enid > answered yes automatically probably thinking it meant reply to all > recipients which is what is usually meant, OR thinking that the posting > must have been public from the beginning since it was asking about the > newsgroup in the first place, and the file went to a.c.t., rather than > Tony by private mail. > > Yer all gonna get burned by this one, so watch out. The problem > is you will get burned by the OTHER guy who is answering your private > mail, that you sent from tin or rn or some such. > > So if you want mail to remain private SAY SO. I got "hit" by the same thing just the other day. I had a mail message in my INBOX and when I replied to it I got the "newsgroup" question. I had assumed that the sender had also included the newsgroup when sending to me so I said OK, post to the newsgroup. Well, he wasn't to pleased that I had posted a reply to what he considered a "private" to the newsgroup. I think the problem is that some mailers, when sending private replies, include the Newsgroups: header in the mail heaers. I guess this is to indicate which newsgroups it originated ... ?? Pine is picking up on that and assuming that it might want to go back to those newsgroups. If you tell Pine "NO" then it all works as desired. Live and learn ... ------------ William C Waggoner - billw@delphi.hdos.hac.com Hughes Danbury Optical Systems Danbury, CT ------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 11:03:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06348; Wed, 28 Sep 94 11:03:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14854; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:58:24 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14844; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:58:21 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA28300; Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:55:14 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA28116; Wed, 28 Sep 94 12:58:12 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12456; Wed, 28 Sep 94 12:58:10 CDT Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:58:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Is anyone there? Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 634 Hi, I haven't received any mail from the mailing list lately. Is it still working? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 11:18:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07056; Wed, 28 Sep 94 11:18:24 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15476; Wed, 28 Sep 94 11:09:39 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15466; Wed, 28 Sep 94 11:09:35 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq39e-00000iC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 10:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Cornelius Subject: Re: Usenet news via Pine Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:58:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Andrew Smith wrote: > > I'm trying PINE 3.90a and it works fine, except that when I look at > > Usenet news, it doesn't show which articles I've read. Why is this? > He's right, the .newsrc only seems to get updated when groups are > subscribed to/from. There are no status flags alongside any news > articles in any newsgroups. We're using nntp for news access. You need to Delete an article if you want to show that you have read it. Pine will then update the .newsrc file. This is different from conventional newsreaders. -- Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 13:35:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13484; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:35:22 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16784; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:30:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16775; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:29:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq5KO-00000pC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:10 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (Jim LeBay) Subject: Re: 3.91 enhancement request Date: 28 Sep 1994 05:20:04 GMT Message-Id: <36aue4$m1r@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: NoRM (N.R.McBride@city.ac.uk) wrote: > Can [N] and [P] in the folder index skip over deleted messages ? > Or can we have an option in the config for it ? > I expunge very infrequently and would prefer not to have to > rummage around lots of deleted messages... How about a modification to the Zoom command which would let me hide deleted messages? (or selected messages, or messages From my boss ;-) Also, could Deleting (or expunging) move messages to a "trash" folder? ------ Jim LeBay (517) 353-1800 353-5364 (FAX) Computing Information Center lebay@msu.edu Michigan State University lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (NeXTmail) ** Blessed are the young for they shall inherit the national debt. ** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 13:56:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14604; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:56:13 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25300; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:50:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25294; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:49:59 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq5fW-00000pC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:32 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: root@alpha.cisi.unige.it (system PRIVILEGED account) Subject: Re: PC Pine v3.90 for Winsock won't send mail Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:03:38 +0100 Message-Id: <36c44q$drb@alpha.cisi.unige.it> References: <9409111531.AA05801@raindrop.seaslug.org> <35uabu$s7h@alpha.cisi.unige.it> system PRIVILEGED account (root@news.unige.it) wrote: : George A. Theall (theall1@tju.edu) wrote: : : > >However, whenever I try to *send* mail, the hourglass comes up and stays up. : : > >I left my machine along for 20 minutes once before using the three-fingered : : > >salute to shutdown the window. : : > pc-pine reads mail with imap, but sends with smtp. Maybe there is a : : > problem with the smtp server you are tring to use. : : Hmm, I am able to use the same smtp gateway with other packages. I have : : also tried other smtp servers with no success. : : > Also, wpine never puts up an hourglass cursor : : My mistake. It simply does not send the mail and does not return a : : prompt. Further, I'm prevented from switching to another task until I : : use to cancel out of PC-Pine. : : George : Also I have the same problem, all work wpine don't send , I use Trumpet Winsock 1beta6 and IDA Sendmail on a SGI as SMTP server : Sandro Resolved!! Sending now work If I use local hostname for SMTP server instead of fully qualified domain name, i.e. elba instead of elba.tbchip.pst-elba.it, may be this is a problem with DNS for LAN with only dialup slip net access and can go in the FAQ... Sandro Magri' - sandro@ibf.unige.it From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 15:02:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17377; Wed, 28 Sep 94 15:02:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23035; Wed, 28 Sep 94 14:58:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23028; Wed, 28 Sep 94 14:58:12 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq6dy-00000nC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 14:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Alex Sharaz Subject: Problems with Lan Workplace winsock and PC-PINE for windows Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:37:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've noticed some messages on this group about the windows version of PC-PINE not working with certain flavours of winsocket. I'm running Lan workplace Vsn 4.2 and although I can look at myIMAP folders o.k. whenever I try to send a message, the PINE process "stops communicating". I'm running windows 3.11 on a 486/33Mhz with 8 M ram. Did somebody post a solution to this problem that I missed or are there still problems running the Windows version of PC-PINE? Alex RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 16:20:21 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21312; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:20:21 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05126; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:15:21 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05118; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:15:17 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq7vE-00000nC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 15:56 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Usenet news via Pine In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:26:21 GMT On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Andrew Smith wrote: > I'm trying PINE 3.90a and it works fine, except that when I look at > Usenet news, it doesn't show which articles I've read. Why is this? He's right, the .newsrc only seems to get updated when groups are subscribed to/from. There are no status flags alongside any news articles in any newsgroups. We're using nntp for news access. news-collections=*{mercury/nntp}[], nntp-server=mercury.rdg.ac.uk Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 16:30:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21705; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:30:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29038; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:26:33 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29028; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:26:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qq83B-00000iC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 16:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kmku@encserver (K.M.Ku ~{9K=uCw~} Ku Kam Ming) Subject: ftp site for PINE & PICO Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:11:58 GMT As subject, would someone so kind that you can tell me? Thanks in advance! -- *************************************************** kmku kmku@encserver.en.hkp.hk *************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 19:06:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28667; Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:06:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15383; Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:00:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15371; Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:00:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqAUS-00000sC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 18:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vmp@rannanjarvi.sjoki.uta.fi (Veli Pajula) Subject: Win_Pine 3.90 and GPF Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:34:00 +0200 Message-Id: <36c2d8$boq@rannanjarvi.sjoki.uta.fi> Hi ! When I try run winsock version of Pine I got GPF in module PINE.EXE at 000D:D677. What could be wrong ? Unix version working... Thanks -- Veli Pajula email: vmp@sthol.fi or vmp@axil.sjoki.uta.fi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 20:12:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00529; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:12:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12559; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:07:11 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12553; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:07:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqBWt-00000nC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com (Leiman Ian) Subject: Re: Pine for Motif/X Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:44:55 GMT Message-Id: <36ca2n$c4i@noknic.nokia.com> On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Michael A. Passineau wrote: > I received your name from David Miller, whom I have dealt > with when I have Pine problems. He mentioned you are > working on a version of Pine for Motif/X. I was wondering > if this is available, and if I could get it from the Internet? I started in January 1994 to modify the pine 3.89 sources by removing its tty-based user interface completely and replacing it with a Motif 1.2 based user interface, with multiple windows, menubars, buttons, lists etc. Making the Motif interface wasn't hard nor even time consuming as I used an interface builder (the uimx 2.5 on HP9000/735). But going inside pine code was the tough part. I really had to do a lot of work with it, and by May 1994 I had a demo version together, which had mail reading capabilities implemented but compose and send mail, addressbook updating and many minor things remained unfinished. I named the program as "Spruce". I also put up a WWW server in May and made some html-documents, see: The server also provides a binary executable for HP9000/730 HP/UX 9. (I might compile a Sun binary soon, as I finally got Motif kit for our Suns) Creating Spruce was a hobby that I did on spare time, and in spring 1994 I was fortunate enough not to have any big projects at work. Unfortunately in May 1994 I started a big R&D project with a tight schedule and a big responsibility. This project has taken all my time so far and seems to just grow and demand as much human resources as I can possibly grab. Needless to say, the Spruce project has been suspended due to this. I don't know when I'll have time to continue. Probably I should make the Spruce sources generally available, but I haven't had even time to make nescessary preparations (some clean up, documentation, distribution etc...). Another problem is the way I attacked the problem itself, changing the user interface. As pine v. 3.90 is now out, and I have looked those sources again, it is clear that this approach is not the way to go. Spruce and pine would diverge into separate paths, which isn't a good thing in my opinion. For this reason I have hesitated in making the Spruce code publicly available (it being based on pine 3.89 sources). I have been thinking of other ways to approach the problem. Here's some ideas: 1. rewrite ttyin.c and ttyout.c for X11R5 Xlib calls As all pine's user interface input/output is based on calls within these modules, one could easily rewrite these functions using X11- and Xt-libabry calls instead of termio/sgtty calls. pine would effectively become X11-application with very little work. Mouse support and cut/paste would require some additional work. 2. Previous approach could be enhanced by containerizing the pine code into a form of Xt-widget. One could then add other (Motif) widgets around such "xpine-Widget" to add a menu-bar etc... Now, if there only were 20 more hours to a day... -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com mobile (GSM) 940-5020217 WWW: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 20:19:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00644; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:19:00 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19775; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:15:52 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19769; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:15:50 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqBeR-00000pC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: verve@well.sf.ca.us (Eric S. Theise) Subject: user-domain questions Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:59:37 GMT Message-Id: <36cau9$8b3@nkosi.well.com> Hi; I'm trying to get a handle on what's required for a user-domain value to get passed to the outside world. Suppose I change user-domain from abc.com, my main machine, to xyz.com, a domain that I have authority over and am running an MX record for. The copy that goes to sent-mail has the proper user-domain in it, but the copy that's received at another site shows abc.com. Is it possible to use user-domain for what I want? What needs to be in place for it to work? Thanks much. -- Eric S. Theise , Liberty Hill Cyberwerks, P.O. Box 460177, San Francisco, CA 94146 Internet Domain Editor, Millennium Whole Earth Catalog The WELL: internet, matrix, & news conference host + gophermeister From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 20:54:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01472; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:54:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15142; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:50:58 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15130; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:50:56 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqCFI-00000iC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mat Berg Subject: multiple news feeds Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i know that it is possible to set up pine to get news from a remote site, but is it possible to get news from more than one site at the same time? grant croker system admin Georgia College ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Croker - God is my shephard, but we lost the sheepdog trials ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Term : Home : | gcroker@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu Campus Box 2635 40 Brookside Rd | (912) 454 0617 Georgia College Gravesend | Milledgeville Kent | GA 31061 DA13 9JJ | USA United Kingdom | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 21:02:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01678; Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:02:18 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22323; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:58:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22307; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:58:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqCKp-00000pC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 20:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jkb@pipeline.com (John Belfiore) Subject: How do I download to my PC? Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:55:21 -0400 Message-Id: <36d6q9$33r@pipe4.pipeline.com> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 21:45:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02597; Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:45:37 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18473; Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:42:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18465; Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:42:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqD1K-00000hC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:23 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oakley@pylon.com (Reid Conti) Subject: Re: remote Fcc: Date: 28 Sep 1994 12:54:29 -0700 Message-Id: <36chll$m2m@earth.pylon.com> References: > I'm trying to configure Pine v3.89 to direct copies of outgoing >mail to a remote machine. the manual suggests changing .pinerc to include >the following line: Well, you can always create a file called .forward Put this line in it: @netcom.com and save it. chmod 755 .forward, and you should be in business.. -- -Oakkers Real Hackers drink Coke. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 22:43:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03960; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:43:23 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28347; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:36:06 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28340; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:36:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqDt1-00000hC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: crobw@cuppa.curtin.edu.au Subject: VMS Pine 3.89 Access Violation Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 03:52:27 GMT Message-Id: <36ap9s$a7m@info.curtin.edu.au> Pine 3.89 for VAX/VMS, as released with PMDF V4.3-7, access violates if you do the following: Type "S" for Setup Type "U" for Update Here is what was left on my screen after that sequence:- -----------------------------------> snip <----------------------------------- Copyright 1989-1993. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. [Connecting to update server] %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC=0013A5BC, PSL=0BC00000 O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd K KBLock Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments Stack contents Number = 00000005 0013A440 Name = 0000000C 00387404 00000000 00000029 00000000 00000001 0013A5BC 00000000 0BC00000 000C0000 00000000 02000000 00310000 22920000 Register dump R0 = 07007FFF R1 = 00000000 R2 = 00000000 R3 = 0013A1A8 R4 = 00000000 R5 = 00000000 R6 = 00000000 R7 = 00000001 R8 = 00039A84 R9 = 7FE32920 R10= 7FE32945 R11= 0000FFE1 AP = 7FE3220C FP = 7FE321CC SP = 7FE32248 PC = 0013A5BC PSL= 0BC00000 -----------------------------------> snip <----------------------------------- | Robert Wright | Wright_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | | Curtin University | psi%0505294523000:Wright_RJ | | Computing Centre | | | Perth, Western Australia | Voice (24 hours):(09)351-7385 FAX: 09-351-2673 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |In his Dictionary, Dr. Johnson defines _garret_ as "a room on the highest | |floor in the house", while _cockloft_ is "the room over the garret". | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 22:53:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04155; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:53:28 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28991; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:46:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28977; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:46:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqE3F-00000pC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: Pine 3.91? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:39:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has there been any projected release date for Pine 3.91 (the maintenance release for 3.9)? We are holding installation of Pine 3.90 in hopes that Pine 3.91 will be released soon. Thanks for any information. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 22:53:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04161; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:53:30 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22407; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:46:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22399; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:46:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqE33-00000jC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:28 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:37:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> All Macintosh users on our campus are having the same problem getting the Control-^ key to work for them. We are using MacTcp 2.04 and NCSA Telnet 2.6 to connect to a Sun SparcCenter 2000 in Vt100 Macintosh emulation. Anyone have any ideas how to make this work? We tested this using Pine 3.90. Randy Holder _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ On 27 Sep 1994, Charles Galt wrote: > I can no longer (still using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work > to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line > at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You > can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I > used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. > Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our > system PINE on Unix mainframe. > Thanks... Chuck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 22:57:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04278; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:57:57 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22684; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:51:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22674; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:51:10 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqE7u-00000nC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert.D.Reynolds@ASU.Edu (Robert D. Reynolds) Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:32:21 -0700 Message-Id: References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> In article , Randy Holder wrote: In NCSA Telnet, go into Setup Keys and delete ^C . > All Macintosh users on our campus are having the same problem getting the > Control-^ key to work for them. We are using MacTcp 2.04 and NCSA > Telnet 2.6 to connect to a Sun SparcCenter 2000 in Vt100 Macintosh > emulation. Anyone have any ideas how to make this work? We tested this > using Pine 3.90. > > Randy Holder > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 > Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 > Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu > University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > On 27 Sep 1994, Charles Galt wrote: > > > I can no longer (still using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work > > to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line > > at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You > > can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I > > used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. > > Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our > > system PINE on Unix mainframe. > > Thanks... Chuck ==== School of Music, Arizona State University, Box 870405 Tempe, Arizona 85287-0405. 602/965-4573 FAX: 602/965-2659 Co-Owner, SINFONIA discussion list for Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 28 22:58:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04307; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:58:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29376; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:51:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29365; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:51:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqE8H-00000xC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Robert.D.Reynolds@ASU.Edu (Robert D. Reynolds) Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:33:15 -0700 Message-Id: References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> In article , Randy Holder wrote: In NCSA Telnet, go into Setup Keys and delete ^C . > All Macintosh users on our campus are having the same problem getting the > Control-^ key to work for them. We are using MacTcp 2.04 and NCSA > Telnet 2.6 to connect to a Sun SparcCenter 2000 in Vt100 Macintosh > emulation. Anyone have any ideas how to make this work? We tested this > using Pine 3.90. > > Randy Holder > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 > Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 > Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu > University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > On 27 Sep 1994, Charles Galt wrote: > > > I can no longer (still using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work > > to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line > > at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You > > can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I > > used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. > > Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our > > system PINE on Unix mainframe. > > Thanks... Chuck ==== School of Music, Arizona State University, Box 870405 Tempe, Arizona 85287-0405. 602/965-4573 FAX: 602/965-2659 Co-Owner, SINFONIA discussion list for Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 00:36:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06209; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:36:16 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26484; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:16:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26478; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:16:32 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqFPJ-00000xC; Wed, 28 Sep 94 23:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rmcgreev@pps2-po.phyp.uiowa.edu Subject: refusing mail from users Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:42:21 Message-Id: Does anyone know how to refuse mail from certain users? Using a daemon of some sort? Is there some kind of way?!?! If anyone has any ideas, pleas reply direct. Thanks-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 01:01:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06860; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:01:30 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05090; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:58:10 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05083; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:58:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqG4k-00001PC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:38 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simcha@cimage.com (Simcha Lerner) Subject: Re: PINE 3.90 SUGGESTION-Printing Tagged Mail Date: 29 Sep 1994 05:23:09 GMT Message-Id: <36divt$g47@dgsi.cimage.com> References: Randy Holder (rholder@comp) wrote: : I offer a humble suggestion/wish to the developers of Pine. When printing : tagged mail (multiple messages), can a form feed code be added so that : each individual mail message is printed on a separate page of paper? : Currently, when I print tagged messages to the laser they all run : together. Better yet, send each message as a separate print job (or best yet, make it configurable - single stream, single stream w/ ^L, or multiple print jobs). I print mail via a postscript filter that picks up the author and subject and prints a header block. While I would like to be able to tag and print a bunch of e-mail at once, I need each to be sent as a separate print job in order for the filter to print them properly. Thanks. Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner simcha@cimage.com Opinions? What opinions? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 01:09:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07087; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:09:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28670; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:06:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28664; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:06:46 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqG90-00001SC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 00:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hlavaty@panix.com (Arthur Hlavaty) Subject: Blind copy lists Date: 28 Sep 1994 18:46:19 -0400 Message-Id: <36crnr$r04@panix.com> Is there some sort of limit to the number of blind copies one can send? I sent out a piece of mail with 100+ blind copies and the system lopped off the last few names, inlcuded them in the message, and didn't send the message to them. E-mail replies preferred, but I'll check the list. -- Arthur D. Hlavaty hlavaty@panix.com "The Mason's face is ajar."--Firesign Theater From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 01:24:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07436; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:24:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05761; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:21:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05755; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:21:40 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqGTO-00001BC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 01:04 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simcha@cimage.com (Simcha Lerner) Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 29 Sep 1994 05:34:53 GMT Message-Id: <36djlt$g47@dgsi.cimage.com> References: I think that the ability to repost to a news group e-mail that one received as a result of a post is very powerful and useful (even if it is a bug!). I have often received e-mail as a result of a news posting that I have made which I wish to reply to in the news group since the issue is one of general interest. I would suggest that the option to repost an e-mail reply be retained, but that the prompt be made clearer and the default be set to NOT post to the newsgroup. Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner simcha@cimage.com Opinions? What opinions? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 02:40:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08973; Thu, 29 Sep 94 02:40:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00527; Thu, 29 Sep 94 02:36:49 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00521; Thu, 29 Sep 94 02:36:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqHbI-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 02:16 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gostl@argos.uu.panix.com (Jack Gostl) Subject: Cleaning up old folders Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 20:34:00 GMT Anyone have any thoughts on an automated way to clean up old folders other than a downright deletion. I've only used PINE for a few days, and my sent-mail folder is already huge. -- Jack Gostl/ARGOS Computer Systems, Inc./110 West 32nd Street/New York, NY From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 03:06:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09568; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:06:08 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07571; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:02:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07565; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:02:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqHzj-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 02:41 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mksmith@u.washington.edu (Michael Smith) Subject: ? Re: Mailing from NN to Pine 3.9 Date: 29 Sep 1994 00:12:50 GMT Message-Id: <36d0q2$3no@news.u.washington.edu> Is there a way to have mail sent from NN (using the M command) to an account using Pine 3.9 go directly into the "Saved Messages" folder, instead of into the "Incoming" folder? Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 03:38:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10465; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:38:18 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01657; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:34:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01651; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:34:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqIVn-000011C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 03:14 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Forwarding Mail (was: Re: Hey..) Date: 28 Sep 1994 23:28:40 GMT Message-Id: <36cu78$f1s@news.halcyon.com> References: <35r022$m2k@earth.pylon.com> mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov ("Michael C. Newell") writes: >Did you try placing a world-readable file called ".forward" in your home >directory with the single line being the place you want your mail forwarded? >e.g. > > (On connected.com) > > $ cat ~/.forward > oakley@pylon.com > $ > >This should cause ALL mail for your account on connected to be forwarded >to your account on pylon. That is, of course, assuming connected is a >Unix machine (you didn't say...) Also on some systems you need to make your home directory world searchable so the mail transport agent can find your .forward, i.e.: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. pico .forward Use the pico editor to create a .forward file. (Replace "pico" with another editor if you like.) chmod 644 .forward Make .forward world readable. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- chmod +x . Make home directory searchable by all. ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). ls -la Check permission of files in home dir. If any are world or group writable (?????w??w?) you'll probably want to change this by doing a "chmod go-w FileName". For more info on changing permissions see chmod man pages. Hope this helps, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 05:09:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12942; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:09:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10029; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:02:05 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10021; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:02:02 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqJst-00000nC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 04:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hammer@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (John Edgar Johnston) Subject: Pine manual Date: 28 Sep 1994 16:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <36cmf6$1jfb@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> I'm a new user of pine, and am impressed with it so far, but I need to get a manual so that I can figure out how to set the options in my .pinerc file (LSU's pine doesn't support the setup options method). Can someone let me know where to FTP or buy a manual from? Thanks. John E. Johnston III U.S. Civil War Center Louisiana State University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 05:24:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13271; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:24:04 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03977; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:17:20 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03971; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:17:18 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqK9r-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 05:00 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Randy Holder Subject: Re: ftp site for PINE & PICO Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:57:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If memory serves, it is ftp.cac.washington.edu Randy H. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Randy V. Holder Phone: (501) 575-2905 Electronic Mail Support Specialist Fax: (501) 575-4753 Lotus 1-2-3 Support Email: Rholder@comp.uark.edu University of Arkansas Fayetteville, Arkansas _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, K.M.Ku ~{9K=uCw~} Ku Kam Ming wrote: > As subject, would someone so kind that you can tell me? > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > > *************************************************** > kmku > > kmku@encserver.en.hkp.hk > > *************************************************** > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 08:20:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17782; Thu, 29 Sep 94 08:20:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14015; Thu, 29 Sep 94 08:15:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14009; Thu, 29 Sep 94 08:15:16 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqMoy-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 07:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: scccacwl@usa.net (Warren M. Littlefield) Subject: Will Pine read BinHex and/or Mime Attached files? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:36:06 GMT I'm new to dealing with attached files. When I send them to a service like MciMail, they need to be re-processed into their original form. If I do this using Eudora, it is done automatically for me. I want to find out what reader I can recommend for my friends using MciMail and other services which don't automatically provide email readers that can reconstitute files that have been attached using either the BinHex or Mime protocol. Any Help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks, Warren Littlefield scccacwl@usa.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 09:34:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21624; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:34:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10356; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:28:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10349; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:28:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqO1h-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: using PINE to read threaded news Date: 29 Sep 94 16:09:05 GMT Message-Id: References: hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu ("Robert A. Hayden") writes: >On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Ben T. Feese wrote: >> Works pretty well. My only gripe is that I'd like to be able to set >> sortkey SEPARATELY for news folders and for mail folders (if any of the >> pine development team is listening!) >A hearty second!!!!!!!! >I like my news by subject, but my mail by arrival time. >____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu >\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the > \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or anyone else >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >(GEEK CODE 2.1) GJ/CM d- H-- s-:++>s-:+ g+ p? au+ a- w++ v* C++(++++) UL++++$ > P+>++ L++$ 3- E---- N+++ K+++ W M+ V-- -po+(---)>$ Y++ t+ 5+++ > j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++** Amen! -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 09:53:53 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22524; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:53:53 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16690; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:48:17 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16684; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:48:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqOJz-000011C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rgm@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Richard McMahon) Subject: printing/previewing postscipt Date: 29 Sep 1994 08:53:38 GMT Message-Id: <36dvai$70b@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> I am running Pine 3.60 under SUNOS 4.3 Quite often I get sent postscipt files by email. In order to print them, I save them and then cut the header off and then print the file. Is there a way to filter the file prior to printing and/or view the file using say Ghostscript. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 09:57:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22673; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:57:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11218; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:53:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11210; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:52:58 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqOR5-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 09:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rgm@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Richard McMahon) Subject: Re: printing/previewing postscipt (erratum) Date: 29 Sep 1994 08:59:18 GMT Message-Id: <36dvl6$75d@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <36dvai$70b@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Sorry I meant Pine 3.90 and not 3.60 and I extract the file rather than saving them From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 10:25:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24256; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:25:36 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12170; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:21:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from faxon.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12135; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:20:57 -0700 Received: by faxon.ca (5.4R2.01/192.139.186.253) id AA22515; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 13:19:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 13:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dion Vansevenant To: Jack Gostl Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Cleaning up old folders In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Jack Gostl wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts on an automated way to clean up old folders > other than a downright deletion. I've only used PINE for a few days, and > my sent-mail folder is already huge. Well, in terms of your sent-mail folder I can suggest something. In the addressbook you can set each address to put mail sent to it in a specific folder. For example, I have folders for Pine, Majordomo, Uunet, etc. I also have folders called Pine-sent, Majordomo-sent, Uunet-sent for each of these. In the addressbook, select the address you wish to change. Press 'E' to Edit it. It will prompt you for the field you would like to edit, choose 'G' and enter the folder you would like to save the mail sent to this person in. Repeat as necessary. Or, you can change the default Fcc: folder. In 'S'etup, 'C'onfigure, page down until you see fcc-name-rule. There are three choices, by-recipient, last-fcc-used, and default-fcc. This won't cut down on the amount of mail saved, but it will keep it organized. Hope this helps. Dion *----------------------------------------------* | Dion Vansevenant stu2@faxon.ca | | Faxon/SMS Canada Ltd. (519) 472-1006 voice | | London, ON Canada (519) 472-1072 fax | *----------------------------------------------* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 10:39:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25029; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:39:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18033; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:32:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18025; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:32:57 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqP1m-00000jC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:12 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: WARNING FOR PINE 3.90 USERS!!!!! Date: 29 Sep 94 16:14:19 GMT Message-Id: References: <368sbk$3mp@bushwire.apana.org.au> markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany) writes: >cbwillis@netcom.com (C. B. Willis) writes: >> There is a new version of Pine 3.90 that many of you will >>be using soon if you are not already. >> This version has some serious changes from previous versions, some >>of which are security risks to users of the older version. >> Enid, using the new Pine 3.90, hit Reply to answer by private mail. >>Pine presented a NEW prompt which asked if Enid wanted the answer to go to >>the public newsgroup. This was confusing as never before has a mailer >>been able to do this, post private mail to a public news group. Enid >>answered yes >I tend to agree with the poster that this new functionality has a >tendency to produce the undesireable result of making a private mail >public by accident especially to the uninitiated for which this >product is intended. >I was inundated with a set of these recently when many people >responded to a news posting I made and I found it disconcerting to >have to take action to stop the reply being posted to the newsgroup. >Perhaps a rewording of the question and changing it to a default that >results in no posting might be appropriate? >M.. Please make it configurable, and make the default to treat mail as private. I can think of almost no case where it is appropriate to post back to news something that I have received in private mail. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 10:45:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25515; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:45:26 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18286; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:40:02 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18280; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:40:00 -0700 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15818; 29 Sep 94 13:39 EDT Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA19757; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 13:39:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Richard McMahon Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: printing/previewing postscipt In-Reply-To: <36dvai$70b@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 1994, Richard McMahon wrote: > > Quite often I get sent postscipt files by email. In > order to print them, I save them and then cut the header off > and then print the file. Is there a way to filter the file > prior to printing and/or view the file using say Ghostscript. > Well - if you could get them to send you MIME enclosed postscript, then your mailcap file could direct it to ghostview. Otherwise, you can set your personal print command in .pinerc and/or Setup Printer menu to pipe it thru a sed/awk/perl/... command that strips off everything before the "%!PS" OK: I think I *finally* found something that mush does that Pine still doesn't do: (1) mush's 'pipe' command has a '-p pattern' switch which basically does the above. 'pipe -p "%!PS" lpr ' ( which is why I never tried to figure out exactly WHAT sed command you would need! :-) (2) my personal_print_command is set to 'enscript -2 -r' . In mush there are substitutions strings for the subject, from line, date, etc. of the current message. So you could set the header lines on your printed output with the subject of a particular thread, etc. (3) You can also use the above to customize the index display. Something else I miss in mush is that, with the exact time in the index as well as the sender, I'm able to easily pick out duplicate messages ( from mailing lists and CC-ed replies, etc. ) and delete them. Don't know if there any way to incorporate the same functionality into pine, but it's something for you guys to consider. -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 11:00:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26326; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:00:27 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13180; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:53:07 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13174; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:53:04 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqPM8-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:33 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc_s551@kingston.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Subject: Re: pine, imapd, mail server -- Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:20:44 GMT Message-Id: <36e0tc$s4f@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> References: <35scqp$due@news.uni-c.dk> David L Miller (dlm@cac.washington.edu) wrote: : That is exactly the way we have it setup on one of our major clusters (30000 : or so accounts). We also have it setup so that each user can have multiple : folders on the mail server, addressing them as user+folder@u.washington.edu. : |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 : |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) : University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 : 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA : On Fri, 23 Sep 1994, Paul G. Leo Jr. wrote: going of on a slight tangent, how do people change their password on the mail server if they don't login, do you have quotas on peoples incomming mail boxes and mail folders and if so how do they know when they are over quota? Also how do you communicate information to users (such as service down time) if your users don't login and therefore don't get a messages of the day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Bannocks Email: R.Bannocks@kingston.ac.uk Systems Programmer, Kingston University, Penrhyn Road, Kingston-upon-Thames. ===== stuck on an information side road ==== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 11:08:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26850; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:08:44 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18917; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:03:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18911; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:03:00 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqPXo-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 10:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Roch Subject: Re: Usenet news via Pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:32:56 GMT Having no status flags set on news postings seems illogical and inconsistent to us. Surely news should behave like mail? Having to delete as well as read a news message seems a waste of time after 3.07 where the N flags were taken care of. Now that flags can be set/unset by the user, I'd have thought there was more of acase for using them. Mike On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Andrew Smith wrote: > > > I'm trying PINE 3.90a and it works fine, except that when I look at > > > Usenet news, it doesn't show which articles I've read. Why is this? > > He's right, the .newsrc only seems to get updated when groups are > > subscribed to/from. There are no status flags alongside any news > > articles in any newsgroups. We're using nntp for news access. > > You need to Delete an article if you want to show that you have read it. > Pine will then update the .newsrc file. This is different from > conventional newsreaders. > > -- > Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 > IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 > University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 > Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk > > ============================================================================== Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 753094 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 11:31:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28573; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:31:11 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14345; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:23:30 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14339; Thu, 29 Sep 94 11:23:27 -0700 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-11 #2001) id <01HHOL7UL7POIRHRLV@INNOSOFT.COM>; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: VMS Pine 3.89 Access Violation In-Reply-To: <36ap9s$a7m@info.curtin.edu.au> To: crobw@cuppa.curtin.edu.au Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 28 Sep 1994 crobw@cuppa.curtin.edu.au wrote: > Pine 3.89 for VAX/VMS, as released with PMDF V4.3-7, access violates if you do > the following: Please send such messages to service@innosoft.com, not pine-info, the Pine team in University of Washington is not responsible for fixing Pine which comes with PMDF. > > Type "S" for Setup > > Type "U" for Update This works fine for me. If you have never ftp'ed a newer version of Pine.exe from Innosoft.com, then you should do so anonymously. (Non-PMDF customers need not try, because this version of Pine is linked with PMDF and would not work without it). > > Here is what was left on my screen after that sequence:- > > -----------------------------------> snip <----------------------------------- > Copyright 1989-1993. PINE is a trademark of the University of Washington. > [Connecting to update server] > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, > PC=0013A5BC, PSL=0BC00000 > O OTHER CMDS L [ListFldrs] N NextCmd > K KBLock > Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. > -----------------------------------> snip <----------------------------------- > > | Robert Wright | Wright_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | > | Curtin University | psi%0505294523000:Wright_RJ | > | Computing Centre | | > | Perth, Western Australia | Voice (24 hours):(09)351-7385 FAX: 09-351-2673 | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |In his Dictionary, Dr. Johnson defines _garret_ as "a room on the highest | > |floor in the house", while _cockloft_ is "the room over the garret". | > /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 12:16:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01263; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:16:47 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17193; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:09:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from steadfast.teradyne.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17185; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:09:36 -0700 Received: from gollum.ttd.teradyne.com by steadfast.teradyne.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/jxh940509) id AA10593; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:06:32 -0400 Received: from bard.ttd.teradyne.com by gollum.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/TER-1.47/gollum-1.1) id AA06133; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:09:34 CDT Received: by bard.ttd.teradyne.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12609; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:09:33 CDT Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:09:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenny Wickstrom (x2349)" X-Sender: kenny@bard To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: PCPINE and 3 bad password attempts (fwd) Message-Id: Organization: Teradyne Telecommunications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1300 Excuse me for posting this again, but it seems that since my companies mail server was having some serious problems I got removed from the distribution list and missed all replies to this message. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 20:45:17 -0500 (CDT) Hi, I had a user report that he attempted to enter his passwd 3 times unsuccessfully (due to the CAP-LOCK key) and PC-PINE sort of locked up. I know, 'sort of locked up'? By this I mean, you can no longer attempt to log in(waited about 10 minutes) but selecting Options, About or Help from the menu works. Also, I can't find a way to close PC-Pine. The only way to close pine was to exit windows. Is this the expected behavior? Has anyone else seen this? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |/ | | |\enny |/\|ickstrom (kenny@ttd.teradyne.com) ======== // ___ \\___ ==\\ || \\__ ___ 1405 Lake Cook Rd. // // \\ ||---\ _|| _|| \\ // ||--\\ // \\ Deerfield, IL 60015 // ===== || // || // || \\// || || ===== (708)940-9000 // \\___ || \\_/\_ \\_/\_ // || || \\___ (708)940-0344(FAX) Telecommunications Division // _// From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 12:51:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02701; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:51:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20021; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:45:01 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20011; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:44:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqR6B-000011C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 12:24 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: akst@netcom.com (Daniel Akst) Subject: Re: Printing to local Mac printer. Message-Id: References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 03:58:38 GMT I think it's software. I can print to my laser just fine using Windows Terminal, the old shareware Procomm for DOS, whatever, but WinComm agsolutely won't do it, and I get the same sequence of pointless questions and error messages, more or less, that Aaron does. Delrina says that after investigating, they can state that winComm won't accept the Y print command from Pine. John Piekarski (jonpi@eskimo.com) wrote: : Aaron Vinck (aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : : I have not ever been able to get a Mac to print to a local printer when : : trying to print from pine. (My connection is through a : : dial-up connection to a unix account.) : : I have a Mac LC with a HP DeskWriter. (I print through a print spooler : : program called "HP PrintMonitor" that comes with the Deskwriter). My : : communications software is Microphone LT. : : I have no problems printing to a locally attached printer at work, but : : it's a PC, not a Mac. My wife, who has a Mac at work, cannot get her Mac : : to print to her office printer to either (also a dial-up connection). : : When you invoke the "print" command in pine, it asks "print using : : `attached-to-ANSI?'" (What other choice to I have?) I answer "yes." : : Then a Mac dialogue box pops up that reads: : : An error #-192 occured while trying to print. : : Please check your printer. : : ---- : : |ok| : : ---- : : I click on "OK," and then pine says: : : [Printing to attached desktop printer.] : : But, nothing happens. Nothing prints. (And I have a hard time getting : : pine to move on to something else (it thinks it's still printing). : : Is there some special trick to get pine (version 3.90) to print to a : : local Mac printer? : : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : : Aaron Vinck : : aevinck@wheel.ucdavis.edu : : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : There doesn't seem to be. I have problems doing just about anything else : Unix-related on my Mac, but I can easily print to my Laserwriter. I just : followed the instructions in Pine's SETUP menu and everything worked : fine. I have Microphone Pro, so I know Microphone products can do this. : Perhaps there is a problem in your Microphone transfer settings. : JonPi : Tacoma WA -- akst@netcom.com CIS: 71603,144 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 15:22:33 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10268; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:22:33 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04462; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:09:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04446; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:09:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqTMN-00000jC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 14:49 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Modify help screens Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:47:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Most of the help text is in pine/pine.hlp, but pay special attention to the comments/instructions in the file, as it is run through a script to generate the source files... A shared mailbox can be anywhere, it does not have to use IMAP. If the data will be read-only to everyone but the sysadmin, set the unix file permissions accordingly and you should be OK. If you want shared read/write access, I would create a Tenex format folder. Just note that a Tenex folder should be treated as binary, even though it looks like plain text... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Michael A. Naud wrote: > > > I need to modify the built in help screens in Pine and Pico. How can this > > be done? Is it possible? I have the untarred the Pine3.90 file, but don't > > know which file to modify. > > > I believe most of the help info is compiled into the program, > however, if you create a "/usr/local/lib/pine.info" file, it > will be displayed in the "local" part of the help file. Typically, > you would put contact info for the local maintainer/installer, etc. > > I looked into this and asked some questions earlier: what I would > like is a way to distribute user notices ( like, for example, to > pre-advise them that I'm about to install a new version of Pine, and > how to run the old version if they discover any problems, etc. ) > > You can modify the new-user message that they will get the first time > they change versions, but this requires modifying the source and > recompiling. > > I suppose I could create a shared mailbox, and set the global config > file to check that mailbox for newmail. How do flags like NEW or > DELETED work in a shared mailbox. I assume it has to be an IMAP > mailbox for this to work. Does that mean it has to be specified > with {host}, even if it's local, or does c-client use IMAP access > by default ? > > Has anyone tried this sort of thing ? > > -- Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) -- > -- UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics -- > -- Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 -- > [ "Cheese is more macho?" ] > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 15:29:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10464; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:29:28 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29753; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:20:59 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29731; Thu, 29 Sep 94 15:20:49 -0700 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.00/200.2.1.5) id AA20237; Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:19:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Imap handling of passwd To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone point me in the direction of: 1) what series of commands I could give to IMAP to login to a remote system 2) where in the imap code the entry and handling of the passwd is found. Many thanks in advance. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | | | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 16:32:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13883; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:32:48 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04150; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:24:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04143; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:24:08 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqUYi-00000iC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:06 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca (Dave Morrow) Subject: Re: Pine for Motif/X Date: 29 Sep 1994 12:55:18 GMT Message-Id: <36edfm$7dr@newton.candu.aecl.ca> References: <36ca2n$c4i@noknic.nokia.com> Ian, Is there an ftp site I can get a copy of your program I'd love to have a look see.... Why can't the people who write pine create an X-Interface? Regards Leiman Ian (ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com) wrote: : On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Michael A. Passineau wrote: : > I received your name from David Miller, whom I have dealt : > with when I have Pine problems. He mentioned you are : > working on a version of Pine for Motif/X. I was wondering : > if this is available, and if I could get it from the Internet? : I started in January 1994 to modify the pine 3.89 sources by removing : its tty-based user interface completely and replacing it with a : Motif 1.2 based user interface, with multiple windows, menubars, buttons, : lists etc. : Making the Motif interface wasn't hard nor even time consuming as I used : an interface builder (the uimx 2.5 on HP9000/735). But going inside : pine code was the tough part. I really had to do a lot of work with it, : and by May 1994 I had a demo version together, which had mail reading : capabilities implemented but compose and send mail, addressbook : updating and many minor things remained unfinished. : I named the program as "Spruce". : I also put up a WWW server in May and made some html-documents, see: : : The server also provides a binary executable for HP9000/730 HP/UX 9. : (I might compile a Sun binary soon, as I finally got Motif kit for our Suns) : Creating Spruce was a hobby that I did on spare time, and in spring 1994 : I was fortunate enough not to have any big projects at work. : Unfortunately in May 1994 I started a big R&D project with a tight : schedule and a big responsibility. This project has taken all my time : so far and seems to just grow and demand as much human resources as I : can possibly grab. Needless to say, the Spruce project has been suspended : due to this. I don't know when I'll have time to continue. : Probably I should make the Spruce sources generally available, but : I haven't had even time to make nescessary preparations (some clean up, : documentation, distribution etc...). : Another problem is the way I attacked the problem itself, changing the : user interface. As pine v. 3.90 is now out, and I have looked those : sources again, it is clear that this approach is not the way to go. : Spruce and pine would diverge into separate paths, which isn't a : good thing in my opinion. For this reason I have hesitated in making : the Spruce code publicly available (it being based on pine 3.89 sources). : I have been thinking of other ways to approach the problem. Here's : some ideas: : 1. rewrite ttyin.c and ttyout.c for X11R5 Xlib calls : As all pine's user interface input/output is based on calls : within these modules, one could easily rewrite these functions : using X11- and Xt-libabry calls instead of termio/sgtty calls. : pine would effectively become X11-application with very little work. : Mouse support and cut/paste would require some additional work. : 2. Previous approach could be enhanced by containerizing the pine : code into a form of Xt-widget. One could then add other (Motif) : widgets around such "xpine-Widget" to add a menu-bar etc... : Now, if there only were 20 more hours to a day... : -- : Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 : ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com mobile (GSM) 940-5020217 : WWW: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html -- David A. Morrow AECL Candu Tel: (905) 823-9060 Fax: 823-2302 Email: morrowd@candu.aecl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 16:38:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14184; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:38:34 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09802; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:30:13 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09794; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:30:09 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqUaB-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 16:08 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnson@chaos.dac.neu.edu (Chris Johnson) Subject: Pine for Macs? Date: 29 Sep 1994 14:19:25 GMT Message-Id: <36eidd$r96@chaos.dac.neu.edu> I'd like to standardize on an IMAP MUA. Pine is such a thingy. I've found it for Unix, PC's, VMS (believe it or not). Is there a Mac version? If so where do I find it? If not, anybody doing it? Thanks much. -- ============================================================================ Chris Johnson Internet: johnson@chaos.dac.neu.edu Assistant Director, Systems BITNET: johnson@nuhub Division of Academic Computing Voice: 617.373.3300 Northeastern University, 39RI FAX: 617.373.8600 360 Huntington, Ave. Boston, MA., U.S.A. 02115 ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 18:10:55 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18061; Thu, 29 Sep 94 18:10:55 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10536; Thu, 29 Sep 94 18:04:12 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10513; Thu, 29 Sep 94 18:04:07 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqW5a-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 17:44 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: marduk@rocky.tc.cornell.edu (Albert W. Hopkins) Subject: Re: Will Pine read BinHex and/or Mime Attached files? Date: 29 Sep 1994 16:07:20 GMT Message-Id: <36eono$17g0@theory.tc.cornell.edu> References: I realize this is not the right newsgroup for this, but does anyone know if the new Eudora supports the MIME protocol? If not, what's the best way to send attachments when you use pine and your recipient uses Eudora (Mac)? truly, Marduk -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Albert W. Hopkins Jr. phone: 607.254.8765 622 E&TC Building e-mail: marduk@TC.Cornell.edu Cornell Theory Center html: http://www.tc.cornell.edu/~marduk/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 19:25:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20043; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:25:12 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19142; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:15:53 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19132; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:15:49 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqX9J-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 18:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: drmclaug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Darren McLaughlin) Subject: unsubscribe all groups in pine 3.90 Message-Id: <1994Sep29.153955.30652@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:39:55 GMT For some reason when I fired up pine 3.90 for the first time, I seem to be subscribed to all the newsgroups listed at my site. Is there a command or something I can do to unsubscribe to them all..other than doing it one by one (I don't have that kind of time on my hands).. thanks please email.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 29 19:41:07 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20475; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:41:07 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14828; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:30:34 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14818; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:30:30 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqXRU-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:11 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Usenet news via Pine 3.90 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:47:25 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Well, the only problem is where do you store the flags? You can't store them in the message like mbox format, because it is shared and read-only. If you use the .newsrc mechanism for compatibility with other tools, you only have one bit per message available. If you add an auxiliary file, it will get out-of-sync every time someone uses another tool.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 29 Sep 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > Having no status flags set on news postings seems illogical and > inconsistent to us. Surely news should behave like mail? Having to delete > as well as read a news message seems a waste of time after 3.07 where the > N flags were taken care of. Now that flags can be set/unset by the user, > I'd have thought there was more of acase for using them. > > Mike > > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Barry Cornelius wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Mike Roch wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Andrew Smith wrote: > > > > I'm trying PINE 3.90a and it works fine, except that when I look at > > > > Usenet news, it doesn't show which articles I've read. Why is this? > > > He's right, the .newsrc only seems to get updated when groups are > > > subscribed to/from. There are no status flags alongside any news > > > articles in any newsgroups. We're using nntp for news access. > > > > You need to Delete an article if you want to show that you have read it. > > Pine will then update the .newsrc file. This is different from > > conventional newsreaders. > > > > -- > > Barry Cornelius Telephone: (0191 or +44 191) 374 4717 > > IT Service, Science Site, IT Service Office: (0191 or +44 191) 374 2892 > > University of Durham, Fax: (0191 or +44 191) 374 3741 > > Durham, DH1 3LE, UK E-mail: Barry.Cornelius@durham.ac.uk > > > > > > ============================================================================== > Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre, Tel: 0734 318430 > The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF Fax: 0734 > 753094 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:19:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27871; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:19:04 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07687; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:10:41 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07675; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:10:31 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqahF-000016C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 22:39 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Filter/Screen Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:45:54 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3654qg$ptn@earth.pylon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: One caveat for users, and potential users, of filter. There is a possibility of having your folders corrupted if filter tries to deliver a message at the same time that Pine has the folder open and is doing a checkpoint. This is not a common occurance, but I just had it happen to me a few days ago, so be carefull... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 26 Sep 1994, Steve Mann wrote: > There are a number of filter programs available. OFten discussed as used > with elm is a program called simply filter that allows just this sort of > thing. You will have to write no scripts. To see if you have it on your > system, just type which filter and hit return. If so, read the man pages > or seek further assitance. Hope this helps > > > > On 25 Sep 1994, Reid Conti wrote: > > > Question: how do you set a screen, so that all mail from a certain person > > will be.. Hm.. I guess bouncing will work best, if somebody's sending > > hundreds of flames to you.. =) But, I just want to know how to write a > > script that allows you to keep mail from certain addresses to ever come > > into view. > > > > > > -- > > > > -Oakkers > > > > > > Steve > > "If you choose not to decide, you'll still have made a choice..." > -RUSH > > George Wood (gwood@indirect.com), PhD says "Hey Beavis, give credit where it's > due: rush stole that line from William James, and the idea goes back at least > to Kierkegaard." > > ================================================================== > / Steve M Insignificant message goes here \ > | CCIS: 529-7500 x7922 \|||/ | > | Home: 722-1632 0 * | > | Beeper: 1-800-502-2775 or 201-909-1575 oo0 ^ 0oo | > | Email: smann@ultrix.ramapo.edu ~~~~~~~~~ | > | Ramapo College Apartments (Cypress Q): 934-9357 > \ This line left blank for no reason / > ================================================================= > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:29:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28049; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:29:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02383; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02377; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqapX-000018C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 22:48 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cccdavid@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Dave Zavatson) Subject: huge pine-debug files Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:58:51 GMT Message-Id: <36fdar$mes@mark.ucdavis.edu> Has anyone seen this before? We ran out of home space and found that 4 users had .pine-debug files that were 100Mb (yes, 100,000,000 bytes). This is pine v3.90 on Solaris 2.3 complied with the stupidly unbundeled Sunsoft cc compiler. The .pine-debug file had normal debug info at first, then the lines ----- MAIL VIEW ----- ----- MAIL VIEW ----- repeated thousands of times. Any ideas? --Dave -- ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | UCD IT Systems Group | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:29:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28070; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:29:52 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02375; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02369; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqajm-000017C; Thu, 29 Sep 94 22:42 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine for Macs? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:54:14 -0700 Message-Id: References: <36eidd$r96@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <36eidd$r96@chaos.dac.neu.edu> There is no plain MacOS port as far as I know, but I just saw a demonstration today of Pine running under MachTen on a PowerBook. Hopefully the code will be in Pine 3.91 or so... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 29 Sep 1994, Chris Johnson wrote: > I'd like to standardize on an IMAP MUA. Pine is such a thingy. > I've found it for Unix, PC's, VMS (believe it or not). Is there a Mac > version? If so where do I find it? If not, anybody doing it? > > Thanks much. > > -- > > ============================================================================ > Chris Johnson Internet: johnson@chaos.dac.neu.edu > Assistant Director, Systems BITNET: johnson@nuhub > Division of Academic Computing Voice: 617.373.3300 > Northeastern University, 39RI FAX: 617.373.8600 > 360 Huntington, Ave. > Boston, MA., U.S.A. 02115 > ============================================================================ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:30:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28262; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:30:45 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02399; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:42 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02393; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:39 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqYjW-00000IC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 20:34 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbgf@netcom.com (GBGF) Subject: Re: remote Fcc: Message-Id: References: <36chll$m2m@earth.pylon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:41:02 GMT Reid Conti (oakley@pylon.com) wrote: : > I'm trying to configure Pine v3.89 to direct copies of outgoing ^^^^^^^^ : >mail to a remote machine. the manual suggests changing .pinerc to include : >the following line: : Well, you can always create a file called .forward Put this line in : it: : @netcom.com : and save it. chmod 755 .forward, and you should be in business.. : -- : -Oakkers : Real Hackers drink Coke. I believe .forward only redirects incoming mail, not copies of outgoing mail. -- If it's not Brooklyn, don't fix it! gbgf@netcom.com (Jerry Stein) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:31:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28452; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:31:20 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02419; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:56 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02413; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:52 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqZoa-00000sC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 21:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: oakley@pylon.com (Reid Conti) Subject: Re: Win_Pine 3.90 and GPF Date: 29 Sep 1994 13:33:39 -0700 Message-Id: <36f8b3$ptk@earth.pylon.com> References: <36c2d8$boq@rannanjarvi.sjoki.uta.fi> >When I try run winsock version of Pine I got GPF >in module PINE.EXE at 000D:D677. Haha that's windows for you. Nothing much to do about it.. -- -Oakkers Real Hackers drink Coke. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:31:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28470; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:31:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02409; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02401; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:44 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqYun-00000hC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 20:45 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Where's the FAQ!!? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:35:25 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq or http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 24 Sep 1994, Abdel-Hadi Bukres wrote: > I checked rtfm.mit.edu and couldn't find the FAQ. > Where is it? > > > > -- > Abdel-Hadi Bukres > abdu@agora.rain.com > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 01:31:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28513; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:31:32 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02391; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02385; Fri, 30 Sep 94 01:21:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqbFO-00001CC; Thu, 29 Sep 94 23:15 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: Problems with Lan Workplace winsock and PC-PINE for windows Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 23:37:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed some messages on this group about the windows version of > PC-PINE not working with certain flavours of winsocket. I'm running Lan > workplace Vsn 4.2 and although I can look at myIMAP folders o.k. whenever > I try to send a message, the PINE process "stops communicating". > I'm running windows 3.11 on a 486/33Mhz with 8 M ram. Did somebody post a > solution to this problem that I missed or are there still problems > running the Windows version of PC-PINE? > > Alex > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk > X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB > X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz > Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 > Interestingly enough I have the same problem trying to run WinPine under OS/2's TCP/IP interface (and OS/2's windows, of course). Even odder, it has worked OK just twice! I also get a stuck state when trying to postpone (^-O). I have so far been prepared to be convinced that this is an incompatibility between OS/2 windows and "real" windows, but I am encouraged by your finding (and others in this group) to think that it may be bug(s) in winpine after all. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 03:06:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00291; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:06:38 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09026; Fri, 30 Sep 94 02:59:03 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09020; Fri, 30 Sep 94 02:59:01 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqeRh-00000iC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 02:40 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jeffs@stein1.u.washington.edu (Jeff Skone) Subject: IMAP: id/passwd prompting Date: 30 Sep 1994 01:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <36fo1i$qk@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Dealing with incoming-folders on remote hosts, isn't there some way to deactivate the validation mechanism? It's a drag to always have to enter your id and password for access. I thought that '.rhosts' was suppost to take care of this. Am I doing something wrong? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 03:43:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01125; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:43:54 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04106; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:32:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04094; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:32:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqemQ-00001rC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:01 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tclark@med.unc.edu (Thomas B. Clark III) Subject: Pine 3.90 for Windows sending mail Date: 30 Sep 1994 01:30:25 GMT Message-Id: <36fpnh$7ah@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> I have just obtained Pine 3.90 for Windows (winsock) and have tried it over two protocol stacks--Frontier Technologies SuperTCP and Sun PC-NFS. The program works very well for everything except sending mail. Any attempt to send mail locks the computer, usually requiring a reboot. I have attempted to send to several different SMTP servers, all with the same result. I have tried it over ethernet and slip. I have also watched (with snoop) and noticed that it doesn't even attempt to open port 25 on the mail host before it locks. I'd appreciate it if anybody has any ideas concerning this problem. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 04:02:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01487; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:02:05 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09667; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:51:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09661; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:51:34 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqfD9-00000iC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: ? Re: Mailing from NN to Pine 3.9 Date: 30 Sep 1994 07:17:55 GMT Message-Id: <36ge33$6fv@news.halcyon.com> References: <36d0q2$3no@news.u.washington.edu> mksmith@u.washington.edu (Michael Smith) writes: > Is there a way to have mail sent from NN (using the M command) >to an account using Pine 3.9 go directly into the "Saved Messages" >folder, instead of into the "Incoming" folder? Thanks in advance. Do you mean into the same account that you're already logged into? If so you can do this by having your news and mail directories be the same. One way to do this is to link them. Another way is to use the same name for Pine and NN's folder directory - I use ~/Folders (you set this in the ~/.pinerc and ~/.nn/init files). Then when you read an article with nn that you want to save just type "s" (for save) and "+saved-messages" and it will be appended to your saved-messages folder. Now you can use either Pine (with "pine -if saved-messages") or NN (with "nn +saved-messages") to view, print, forward etc. If you mean into a different account then you could probably do it using mail filtering. Hope this helps, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 04:02:09 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01495; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:02:09 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04324; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:51:40 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04318; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:51:38 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqfDY-00000jC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 03:29 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Printing, Comm Programs, WinComm (was: Printing to local Mac printer.) Date: 30 Sep 1994 07:31:45 GMT Message-Id: <36get1$6og@news.halcyon.com> References: <35je5i$4tq@mark.ucdavis.edu> akst@netcom.com (Daniel Akst) writes: >I think it's software. I can print to my laser just fine using Windows >Terminal, the old shareware Procomm for DOS, whatever, but WinComm >agsolutely won't do it, and I get the same sequence of pointless >questions and error messages, more or less, that Aaron does. Delrina says >that after investigating, they can state that winComm won't accept the Y >print command from Pine. I had problems printing from Pine with WinComm but I also had problems with Terminal and PCAnywhere (both Windows programs). I've had no problems with DOS Kermit and the DOS software that came with my modem. I finally figured out that I could print with WinComm if I changed my printer driver from "HP Laserjet 4/4M Postscript" to "HP Laserjet 4/4M" - my postscript printer seemed like it was interpreting my Pine messages as postscript or some other language. A while ago I posted asking people to send me info about what Comm Software worked (and didn't work) with Pine's Y command and said I'd post what I found out. Someone wrote that s/he had been able to use WinComm without any problem. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to post what people sent me - I will post it soon so if anyone has extra info to mail me about printing, please do. Thanks, Nancy -- ** ** Nancy McGough | "No one suspects the * ** * Infinite Ink | days to be gods." ** ** ftp://ftp.ii.com/pub/ii | -Emerson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 04:51:44 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03143; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:51:44 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05272; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:44:22 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05265; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:44:19 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqg7l-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:27 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: snurmela@utu.fi (Sami Tapani Nurmela) Subject: PC-Pine 3.90 cannot send mail Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:21:43 GMT I just updated my PC-Pine from version 3.89 to 3.90 using the build-in update option. For some reason, I now cannot send mail (everything else works just fine). Under version 3.89 I had no problems, using the same pinerc file. When I try to send mail, I get a message "Sending mail..." and after a minute or so pine asks if I'd like to break contact to server. When I do, I get a message "Error connecting to mail server:". I suppose my smtp-server's name should appear at the end of the error message, but it doesn't. Changing the smtp-server's name in pinerc from 'mailhost.utu.fi' (our mailhost) to plain 'mailhost', or to the real name of the server, or to ip-address of the server results doesn't help. And the older version of Pine still works fine. Has anyone encountered similar problems when updating PC-Pine ? Any suggestions ? We are running FTP Software's PC/TCP 2.31. -- Sami Nurmela - snurmela@utu.fi Univ. of Turku Finland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 04:52:42 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03172; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:52:42 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10504; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:44:18 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10497; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:44:15 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqg6d-00000IC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:26 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Pine-3.90 for VMS - partial release. Message-Id: <1994Sep30.102033.115@vms.huji.ac.il> Date: 30 Sep 94 10:20:33 GMT Since the release of Pine-3.90 I am trying to port it to VMS. C-CLIENT and Pico went ok, but I have a few problems with Pine itself. Since I do not have much time to work on it, I am releasing a "half baked" version of it. Try it and decide whether you can tolerate the defficiencies of it or not. I hope to have time someday to finish the port. The 3.90 version does not support address book (some problems which I am trying to chase), does not support message postponing (the mechanism was changed in a way which is incompatible with VMS/MAIL). IMAPD was not ported either. I've tested it only with Multinet. To get the PINE-3.90 release (includes .EXE file compiled under VMS-5.5-2 and Multinet): ftp: //vms.huji.ac.il/local/pine_3-90_beta_1.zip If you want IMAPD then grab PINE_BETA_9.ZIP (the 3.89 version), build IMAPD from there and copy iy elsewhere. __Yehavi: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yehavi Bourvine (4X6DD), Phones: +972-2-585684, H Computation Center, +972-2-584279 H The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, H Givat-Ram, 91904 Jerusalem, Israel H H H Fax: +972-2-527349 HH H BITnet: YEHAVI@HUJIVMS H H InterNet: YEHAVI@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL H Israeli DECnet: HUJICC::YEHAVI H =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 05:44:41 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04216; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:44:41 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11043; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:28:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11037; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:28:28 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HHPTC3VXYOA8NHRV@delphi.com>; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JEANDE@delphi.com Subject: Pine 3.90 on Disk or Tape To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <01HHPTC3W7LUA8NHRV@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Is their a way to get Pine 3.90 on disk or tape ? . I'm sitting in the caribbean and downloading is not practical (Bad Telecomm)...Thanks.. Jean De La Salle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 05:51:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04308; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:51:01 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11177; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:39:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11171; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:39:25 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqgxn-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:21 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Howard Altschuler Subject: Re: Can't use paste in Windows with Pine: why? Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > On 27 Sep 1994, Howard Altschuler wrote: > > > I use pine 3.90. When I try to paste text from a windows app to pine (via > > crosstalk), it takes about a minute per line! > > Yes. In windows pine paste works by inserting the characters as if you > were typing them. This is a little slower than if we just droped them > into the buffer, but I've never seen or heard of it taking a minute per > line. A more detailed description of your system and what other > applications are running may help me identify the problem. Specifically, > I'm looking for other applications that may in some way slow down the rate > at which pine receives events. > I have a 386-40 with 8 megs of memory, windows 3.1, dos 6.21, and the problem occurs even if I only run crosstalk for windows. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 06:25:42 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04982; Fri, 30 Sep 94 06:25:42 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06533; Fri, 30 Sep 94 06:14:27 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06527; Fri, 30 Sep 94 06:14:24 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqhQ9-00001DC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 05:50 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Inelegancy re pine.conf.fixed Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:13:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The following problem shows itself when a user has a value set in a field that sys-admins have decided to forbid by the pine.conf.fixed route (eg printer, nntp-server, ,...) When starting up pine3.90 sees the value when reading .pinerc, and complains "Pinerc variable xxxx has been administratively fixed by the system management. You are not allowed to change it" and after a delay to allow the message to be read, Pine carries on. If the user then tries Setup Config to remove the offending item, Pine will not permit the edit ("cannot alter sys-admin fixed value), so he is forced to leave pine and edit the pinerc. We would much rather our naive users never had to touch .pinerc with an editor! Is this just a bug (failure to distinguish the pine.conf.fixed value from one spuriously set in .pinerc)? If not, then would it possible to enter a dialog at the point, of the kind "Do you wish to remove the option from you configuration?" with the usual Yes/No/Cancel possibilities. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 09:56:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12825; Fri, 30 Sep 94 09:56:56 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21735; Fri, 30 Sep 94 09:45:36 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ultrix.ramapo.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21715; Fri, 30 Sep 94 09:45:27 -0700 Received: by ultrix (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26948; Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:45:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Mann Subject: Re: refusing mail from users To: rmcgreev@pps2-po.phyp.uiowa.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There are filters out there for that purpose. Look for filter or procmail, as they will probably be the easiest to start with and the best. Hope this helps. On Wed, 28 Sep 1994 rmcgreev@pps2-po.phyp.uiowa.edu wrote: > Does anyone know how to refuse mail from certain users? > Using a daemon of some sort? Is there some kind of way?!?! > > If anyone has any ideas, pleas reply direct. > > Thanks-- > Steve "If you choose not to decide, you'll still have made a choice..." -RUSH George Wood (gwood@indirect.com), PhD says "Hey Beavis, give credit where it's due: rush stole that line from William James, and the idea goes back at least to Kierkegaard." ================================================================== / Steve M Insignificant message goes here \ | CCIS: 529-7500 x7922 \|||/ | | Home: 722-1632 0 * | | Beeper: 1-800-502-2775 or 201-909-1575 oo0 ^ 0oo | | Email: smann@ultrix.ramapo.edu ~~~~~~~~~ | | Ramapo College Apartments (Cypress Q): 934-9357 \ This line left blank for no reason / ================================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 12:59:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20187; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:59:10 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29256; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:53:15 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29250; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:53:13 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqnfK-00001VC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:30 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: allen@cumbres.bio.nau.edu (Allen Sonafrank) Subject: Pine: No domain name on From: line Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:21:22 GMT On a Solaris 2.3 SPARCstation running Sun's sendmail, with no NIS, Mailtool and /bin/mailx produce a correct, fully-qualified From: line like this: From: eas@fuzzy.math.nau.edu (Allen Sonafrank) But Pine 3.90 creates an unreplyable From line lacking the domain name, like this: From: Allen Sonafrank Presumably I need to twiddle sendmail.cf, or, hopefully, some Pine configuration file. But how? -- Allen Sonafrank College of Arts & Sciences, Box 5621 Voice: (602) 523-8106 Northern Arizona University Email: allen@cumbres.bio.nau.edu Flagstaff, AZ 86011 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 13:02:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20303; Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:02:19 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23518; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:55:47 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23512; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:55:45 -0700 Received: from charger.newhaven.edu by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07862; Fri, 30 Sep 94 12:55:43 -0700 Received: by charger.newhaven.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0qqo5h-000IDUC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:58 EDT Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:58:01 -29900 From: "Dany J. Washington" Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII listserve pine-info@cac.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 14:15:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23395; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:15:14 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27253; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:10:23 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27247; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:10:21 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqow3-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:52 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (Jim LeBay) Subject: Re: Reply text Date: 28 Sep 1994 05:30:02 GMT Message-Id: <36av0q$m1r@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <357ldv$dmh@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx> Roy Bowers [PG] (rbowers@cibnor.cibnor.conacyt.mx) wrote: > When you include sender-text in Pine, appears the line: > "On Sept 7, John Doe wrote:" > Is there any user configurable way to change the default so that line says: > "On Sept 7, you wrote:" I'd like to see the time included in this line, like: "On Tue 27 Sep 1994, at 7:42pm EDT, you wrote:" ------ Jim LeBay (517) 353-1800 353-5364 (FAX) Computing Information Center lebay@msu.edu Michigan State University lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (NeXTmail) ** Blessed are the young for they shall inherit the national debt. ** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 14:42:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24714; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:42:17 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03693; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:36:46 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03685; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:36:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqpLE-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:18 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Craig Paul) Subject: PINE 3.90: own short address munged !! Message-Id: <1994Sep30.143040.73766@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 14:30:40 CDT I got the binaries for 3.90 for OSF and AIX. With both, when addressing myself with just my account name an incomplete domain name is appended to the right of the @ sign. Example: On lark.cc.ukans.edu when I address myself, I type paul then hit tab to get to the next field. Appended is an @cc.ukans.edu NOT lark.cc.ukans.edu The full value lark.cc.ukans.edu is in the .pinerc (I know, because I editted it in there). What am I missing? Thanks! (Toggling the use-only-domain-name doesn't make any difference.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 15:05:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25781; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:05:24 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28372; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:00:31 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28366; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:00:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqpjT-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:43 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rick Sellens Subject: permissions on folders Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine 3.90 forces all folders to have permissions only for the owner. (usually a good thing -- privacy and all that) is there any way to share folders between groups, other than an explicit chmod by the owner? Applications: - having root share the sysadmin's usual home mail folders - sharing folders you save neat stuff in with others who may not read all the news.... Rick Sellens Mechanical Engineering Phone: (613) 545-6760 Queen's University at Kingston K7L 3N6 Fax: (613) 545-6489 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 15:11:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26204; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:11:43 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04475; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:06:45 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04469; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:06:43 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqpnv-00000IC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:47 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Subject: Re: Ctrl-^ to block for the kill Date: 30 Sep 1994 20:49:54 GMT Message-Id: <36htli$rvd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368g3f$ds5@garuda.csulb.edu> <36g0us$cka@garuda.csulb.edu> In article <36g0us$cka@garuda.csulb.edu>, Charles Galt wrote: |: > On 27 Sep 1994, Charles Galt wrote: |: > |: > > I can no longer (using PINE 3.88 here) make the Control-^ key work |: > > to block text that can then be Killed by ^K (rather than doing it a line |: > > at a time). When I do it line by line, PINE (and PICO) responds with "You |: > > can block the text with Ctrl-^ and then Kill", but it doesn't work. I |: > > used to be able to do this, but don't know what's different now. |: > > Anyone know what's up? I'm using VT100 emulation (as always) with our |: > > system PINE on Unix mainframe. |: > > Thanks... Chuck | |Forgot to mention that MY problem is on a PC keyboard; still no |luck, even with PINE 3.90 now installed here... chuck Are you on a dialup? If so, it could be the terminal server. On the Ciscos here at Columbia, you have to press ^^ _twice_, because the first one's interpreted as an escape signal (pressing ^^x gets you to the dialup prompt). _________________________________ o Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University/New York City | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 15:15:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26404; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:15:40 -0700 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28648; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:10:32 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28640; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:10:29 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqpuv-00000iC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 14:55 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Address book patches to pine 3.90 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 14:33:22 -0700 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: comp.mail.pine/pine-info is archived at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ I believe the patches were posted 14 Sep. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 30 Sep 1994, Alex Sharaz wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to get hold of the 3.90 source patches for the addressbook > bug. I know I had them at one point, but unfortunately I seem to have > deleted that message without saving the patches. Can anyone tell me where > to get hold of them ? > alex > > > RFC-822: A.Sharaz@computer-centre.hull.ac.uk > X.400: I=A;S=Sharaz;OU=Computer-Centre;O=Hull;PRMD=UK.AC;c=GB > X.500: c=GB@o=University of Hull@ou=computer Centre@cn=Alexander Sharaz > Tel: +44 482-465700 Fax: +44 482-466441 > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 30 15:25:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27007; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:25:52 -0700 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04922; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:21:50 -0700 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.9/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04916; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:21:47 -0700 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qqq4c-00000hC; Fri, 30 Sep 94 15:05 PDT To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daniel@GOTHAM.TAMU.EDU (Daniel) Subject: specifying mail headers Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <36i207$h2k@batman.tamu.edu> How would one specify a "hard-coded" mail header in Pine. For example, if I wanted all my outgoing mail to have a "Reply-To:" field of "abc@tamu.edu", how would I do it? Thanks, -- Daniel Craigmile | Texas A&M University (409) 845-6904 | Computing and Information Services DanielC@TAMU.Edu | Customer Help and Training