From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:13:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08376; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:13:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13293; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:06:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13287; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:06:32 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:31:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:31:41 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Mar 1995 fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, > maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to > a file? > > I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, > we're upgrading soon. pine 3.91 ; n (or other selections) 1-7 or 1,5,9,12 a e Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:25:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08663; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:25:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09920; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:20:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09914; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:20:08 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:29:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:29:07 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Thomas Ulich Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: New Mail Check Interval In-Reply-To: <3j01sb$8j9@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Feb 1995, Thomas Ulich wrote: > Reading the man page of pine, I just found out that pine looks for new mail > every 2.5 min, or after a screen refresh (C-L), for example. Is there a way > to change that 2.5 min interval? Look in the pine directory at the os.h file. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 00:28:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08757; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:28:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13500; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:23:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wishful.weizmann.ac.il by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13494; Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:23:02 -0800 Received: from wizard.weizmann.ac.il (wizard-gate.weizmann.ac.il [132.76.63.23]) by wishful.weizmann.ac.il (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA159494 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:22:49 +0300 From: Botez Camelia Received: from localhost (camelia@localhost) by wizard.weizmann.ac.il (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA51663 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:23:21 +0300 Message-Id: <199503010723.KAA51663@wizard.weizmann.ac.il> Subject: pine3.9 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:23:21 +0300 (WET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 518 Hello , My name is Camelia Botez and I'm working in Weizmann Institute , Physics Dep. I'm trying to install pine and pico-3.91 but when I'm compiling pine I get the message: cc -Ae +O3 -DSYSTYPE=\"HPP\" -c addrbook.c Signal 11: segmentation violation *** Error code 1 Stop. I hope that maybe you can help me to solve this problem. Thank you and sorry to disturb you . -- Camelia Botez Computing center resp - Departament of Physics. E-Mail address camelia@wishful.weizmann.ac.il Tel. 08 - 343288. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 03:26:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13757; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:26:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15965; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:18:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15959; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:18:46 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:15:23 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA04242; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:17:28 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:17:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Upgrade to Pine 3.91. You then get a wonderful set of commands available called Select (;), Apply (A) and Zoom (Z). Select lets you select messages using a variety of criteria (and also to broaden (OR) or narrow (AND) searches using different criteria). Once you have selected some messages you can use the Apply command to apply another command to the entire selection (eg, A E will apply an export command to the selected messages). Zoom limits the index list to just the selected messages (letting you concentrate on those without getting distracted by others). Note that these commands are "power-user" commands: they are not available by default. You must enable them in the Configuration screen (S then C from the Main Menu) by setting the "enable-aggregate-command-set" option. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 1 Mar 1995 fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu wrote: > Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, > maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to > a file? > > I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, > we're upgrading soon. > === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:01:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14580; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:01:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12782; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:48:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12776; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:48:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjmpM-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: thu@satellite.oulu.fi (Thomas Ulich) Subject: Addressbook list layout Date: 1 Mar 1995 08:42:26 GMT Message-Id: <3j1c1j$7md@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! I would like to customize the addressbook table in pine which you get by hitting A in the main menu. After defining an alias I usually forget/do not need to remember the e-mail address(es) behind it. Instead of that I would like to see the comments and maybe even the Fcc definition, in order to maintain the list more easily. What about having a customizable addressbook-entry-table in pine? ...or do I miss some already existing feature? Regards from one of those guys who left the path of wisdom (elm) to explore new mail dimensions never known before (/bin/mail, not really), -- Thomas Ulich Tel.: ++358-(9)81-554 7042 !!!NEW: thomas.ulich@oulu.fi Inuits say: He who looks long upon the aurora soon goes mad. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:21:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15812; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:21:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16930; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:13:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16924; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:13:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjn9i-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Andrew Lowery Subject: Re: Catching up on news articles Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:02:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Andrew Lowery wrote: > How does one mark all of the postings in a particular newsgroup as read > in pine. In rn, for instance, the keystroke is "c", to catch-up on all > articles. Any help will be appreciated. > 1. Go to main Pine menu, choose Setup; select "configure": In selection menu, place "x" in "Enable aggregate command set". 2. In any newsgroup, to catch up or to delete a range of articles, various aggregate commands are available. To delete all the articles, type ;aad which translates "select all, apply delete". Thanks to Garland Boyd for this one... -Andrew Lowery From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 04:52:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16671; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:52:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17271; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:42:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17265; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:42:29 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA18212 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:42:27 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA06496; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:40:57 EST Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:40:56 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Mark Steele Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII use search (W in view mode, ^W in compose) and then ^Y for top ^V for bottom. On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Mark Steele wrote: > So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) > -- > -------------- > Mark R. Steele > mrs@cts.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 05:02:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16992; Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:02:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13833; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:49:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13827; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:49:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjnpn-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwards%teaching.physics@ox.ac.uk (David Edwards) Subject: Re: Distribution: header line? Message-Id: <1995Mar1.004838.1596@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:48:37 GMT Paul Jones (pej@chrh.org) wrote: > I noticed that PINE was not putting "Distribution:" headers in news articles. > Thinking this might be a problem, I noticed that _many_ people do not > use "Distribution:" headers. Is this an obsolete header line or is > "world" the default when one is not otherwise specified? For world distribution, the Distribution: header should either be left blank, or left out completely. -- _ _ ==========////==================================================== / //// David Edwards: Welcome to the real world... \ || _ _ //// http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~worc0058/ || || \\\\ //// edwards.teaching@physics.oxford.ac.uk || \ \\\X/// dwe101@tower.york.ac.uk Don't believe the hype... / ====\XXX/========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 06:42:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20010; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:42:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18969; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:35:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18963; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:35:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjpS4-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:13:32 GMT On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:24:26 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, mrs@crash.cts.com (parading as Mark Steele) managed to electronically scribble: % So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) Try ^W (WhereIs) and then ^V (LastLine). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 07:13:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21119; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:13:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15941; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:04:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15935; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:04:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjpts-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: application/x-dvi Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:10:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT In-Reply-To: Pine 3.92 will support the .mime-types file for defining MIME types... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Robert Gervais wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:34:47 GMT > From: Robert Gervais > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: application/x-dvi > > Hi, > > I'm a new pine user and I have tried to send a message with a dvi file > as an attachment but the MIME label generated has been > "application/octet-stream". Is it a way to specify manually the MIME > label or to configure pine to be able to recognize the dvi file ? > -- > Robert Gervais Tel: (514) 987-6106 > Université du Québec à Montréal Fax: (514) 987-8477 > Service de l'Informatique e-mail: gervais.robert@uqam.ca > C.P. 8888, Succursale A > Montréal P.Q. > H3C 3P8 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 07:57:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22597; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:57:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21077; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:49:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21071; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:49:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjqax-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 07:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hadzivukovic@redash.qut.edu.au Subject: Test Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:52:27 GMT Message-Id: <3j0uj6$heo@stork.qut.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just a test From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 08:39:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25220; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:39:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17866; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:24:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17860; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:24:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjrAV-00038WC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 08:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Pine hangs up on NFS IRIX mailbox Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:28:19 Message-Id: References: In article Gildas PERROT writes: >Hi, >I have problems to read e-mail on NFS mailbox directory with Pine 3.91 >under IRIX 5.3. I got a patch from SGI to solve problems with NFS and >mail lock file but this one just solves the problem for 'Mail' reader, >not for Pine. When pine tries to read mail in an NFS mailbox, it hangs >up. I didn't have this problem under IRIX 4.0.5. However, I recompiled >Pine under 5.3 without more success. I know that I can use IMAP from >Pine but I would prefer NFS for several reasons. >Does anyone solve this problem ? Thanks in advance for help. >Gildas. ># Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique ># Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o ># e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, ># Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) You may want to build your pine with the MBOX driver: /usr/src/pine3.91> ./build sgi EXTRADRIVERS=mbox We have our mail spool NFS mounted. By the way, MAIL_ATT doesn't work with an NFS-mounted mail spool which is not exported with root permission. MAIL_BSD does work fine, though. --matt ============================================================================== matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. cecs department | long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 09:43:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29408; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:43:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19761; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:34:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19755; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:34:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjsDn-00038ZC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gbcacm@ccs.neu.edu (Peter Sherwood) Subject: How to convert Unix mail file to pine? Date: 1 Mar 1995 16:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <3j26l2$rse@narnia.ccs.neu.edu> Having started out with SunOS' version of mail, I have a large file of messages (mbox). I'd like to convert these to pine. Pine seems to be able to read them, but when I save and delete messages, they reappear in the mail-created folder with dates "xxx"-ed. Anyone know how to do the conversion? As a related question, I'd like to have pine store my messages in order by date of receipt, so when I open a folder, it's already in order. I do not want to have the folder sorted when it's opened, as this can take too long (and is a waste of computer resources). As far as I can tell, once a message enters a folder, its physical position in the file is fixed. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Sherwood (617) 332-8880 (voice) (617) 332-1675 (fax) gbcacm@ccs.neu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29860; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:52:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23325; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:15:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from balder.ssds.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23319; Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:15:40 -0800 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id KAA10812 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:13:57 -0700 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma010810; Wed Mar 1 10:13:42 1995 Received: from pc_emb (pc_emb.denver.ssds.com [134.127.17.18]) by denver.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) with SMTP id KAA03470 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:13:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199503011713.KAA03470@denver.ssds.com> X-Sender: emb@denver.ssds.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 10:13:26 -0700 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: emb@ssds.com (Edwin M. Barnes) Subject: Read Receipt in pine Hi! How do I set up pine to do read reciepts? Edwin M. Barnes (emb@ssds.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 11:49:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05373; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:49:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22703; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:40:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22697; Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:40:11 -0800 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA04532; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:39:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom2 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Way to check for new mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to check for new mail from the command line without entering pine? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 12:35:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07424; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:35:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27733; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:24:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27727; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:24:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjuth-00038CC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 12:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: VAX3300/Ultrix4.1 Port Question Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:55:31 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1995Feb28.225534.16147@zeus.franklin.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Feb28.225534.16147@zeus.franklin.edu> Try the "vul" port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Robert Vermilyer wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:55:34 GMT > From: Robert Vermilyer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: VAX3300/Ultrix4.1 Port Question > > I am trying to port to a VAX3300 running Ultrix version 4.1. Using > "build ult" pico installed fine, however pine did not. The following > problems developed. Any thoughts/solutions would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Making c-client library, mtest and imapd > > > ... > > > >cc -g3 -O2 -Olimit 800 -Dconst= -o mtest mtest.o c-client.a -lauth > >cc: warning: -g disables -O > >ld:800: cannot open > >*** Error code 4 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > ... > >Making Pine. > ... > >cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"ULT\" -c other.c > >"other.c", line 597: operands of * have incompatible types > >"other.c", line 1802: operands of * have incompatible types > >*** Error code 1 > > > >Stop. > > > >Links to executables are in bin directory: > >size: bin/pine not found > >size: bin/mtest not found > >size: bin/imapd not found > >text data bss dec hex > >133120 27648 14256 175024 2abb0 bin/pico > >Done > > -Bob Vermilyer > > -- > > Bob Vermilyer > vermil@franklin.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 16:48:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22394; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:48:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29971; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:26:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29965; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:26:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rjyfd-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Sending files to message from unix? unencode? Date: 1 Mar 95 04:02:42 GMT Message-Id: References: joseph@ritz.mordor.com (Joseph Limandri) writes: > I have a unix account in my school and a email/newsgroup only >account at home. How can I send my self files in messages. Can pine >auttomattically uuencode them for me. If not can I do it my self from >the unix prompt?....and how? The easiest way is to uuencode them at the UNIX prompt level. Then when you in compose mode, include the file with the editor. You may have to break the uuencoded file into parts to fit into pico or to get through the mail. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:33:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28086; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:33:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03329; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:18:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03323; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:18:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1Hn-00038FC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bagwill@sst.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob Bagwill) Subject: will pine assemble split messages? Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:23:10 GMT Message-Id: <3j2l3e$isl@dove.nist.gov> Will pine assemble split messages? If so, how do you invoke that capability? Thanks. -- Bob Bagwill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:34:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28121; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:34:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03455; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:26:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03449; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:26:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1MO-00038HC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: printing addressbook; Ctrl ^ not working Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:40:29 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Our Cisco terminal server has it's escape char set as Ctrl ^ x (Control caret, followed by the letter x). As a result we have to hit Control caret twice in order for it to mark a block since the first one gets swallowed up by the terminal server. Joshua Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:15:22 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, h9397584@hkusub > (parading as Michael Agelasto) managed to electronically scribble: > > % 2/ I am unable to mark and cut text (Ctrl ^). Someone mentioned this is > % a previous posting, but I don't recall a reply. > > Mke sure you are doing , in lab, Crtl ^ works, but > on my pc, I have to include the shift. > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:35:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28150; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:35:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03469; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:27:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03463; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:27:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1Of-00038KC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: [Q] Exporting messages Date: 1 Mar 95 04:05:06 GMT Message-Id: References: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu writes: >Is there a way to export multiple messages into one file? That is, >maybe select more than one mail message and typing "e", write them to >a file? >I'm using v 3.89, but I will also welcome an answer if using 4.91, >we're upgrading soon. > === Al Easy with 3.91 using select(;) and (a)pply. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 19:48:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28454; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:48:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03692; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:41:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03686; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:41:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk1j2-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: johnp@akeake.its.vuw.ac.nz (John Pettigrew) Subject: Re: REading pine mail off-line? Date: 1 Mar 1995 04:15:12 GMT Message-Id: <3j0scg$c7t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> References: Juanita Fischer (juanfisc@netcom.com) wrote: : Is it possible for me to download my inbox from my UNIX shell account to : read the mail off-line on my PC? Would PCPINE accomplish this? How : would I do it? Thanks in advance for your help. Exactly what I want to do too. Have you made any progress? I am working along the following tracks: 1. PCPINE - As far as I can see, that won't even set up unless your PC has a domain name etc, ie won't work with a shell account. Correct me if wrong... 2. There are off-line readers available. YARN is widely used. Don't know if it works with Pine. Anyone know? I am about to download it and experiment. 3. The Pine folders have a specific structure, described in tech-notes. I have thought of feeding it through a text manipulation program and then into a database (fields would be From, To, Date, Subject, and a Memo field for the message). I can see broadly how to do this, but time, time ... Cheers, -- John Pettigrew .............................. .......... Business planning & communications 14 Fairview Crescent Wellington New Zealand John.Pettigrew@vuw.ac.nz Ph (064 4) 475-9244 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 1 21:10:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00366; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:10:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09098; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:01:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09092; Wed, 1 Mar 95 21:01:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk2yl-00038DC; Wed, 1 Mar 95 20:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PCPINE hanging on opening INBOX -- help Date: 1 Mar 1995 16:58:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3j2qmk$f1h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. telnet works fine, so does ftp, although it complains about an invalid packet driver vector. So, config.tel seems to be ok, and configtel= is set properly. But, when I put the {host.domain} in the pinerc path to INBOX, PCOINE_P can't open the inbox. If I then go into setup and configure and change the path to {ip.address}, return and attempt to read the inbox, pine makes the connection, and things seem to be fine. If I then exit PINE, and try to run it again, with the path set to {ip.address}, it hangs at opening INBOX -- requiring a reset. If I manually edit the pinerc file back to {host.domain}, it will at least come up, although, again, it can't find the inbox until I go through setup, etc., etc. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:15:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07391; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:15:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08847; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:05:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from actcom.co.il by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08841; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:05:33 -0800 Received: from galtronics.UUCP by actcom.co.il with UUCP:galtronics (8.6.8/actcom-0.1) id MAA23026 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:05:20 +0200 (rfc931-sender: uucp@localhost) Received: by aviion.galtronics.co.il (5.4R2.10/ACTCOM-GALTRONICS-S-1.0) id AA03329; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:43:17 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:43:17 GMT From: khamis@galtronics.co.il (Ala Khamis) Message-Id: <9503021143.AA03329@aviion.galtronics.co.il> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu March 2, 1995 To whom it may concern, My name is Al Khamis, I am the System Administrator at Galtronics LTD. in Israel. I got throw uucp a tar file called: pine3.91_heb2.03. At my company we have Data General Unix System 5.4R2.10 that works in the Aviion 5500 server. I tried compiling the source code for pine along with pico, mtest and imapd packages that came with the tar file. Well as you see below only pico worked, but the rest did not, but I did not succeed. Pine is an excelant E-mail program, and we at Galtronics would love to use it, so if anybody can help us to figure out why is it not compiling, we will be very thankfull. here is the script I made while compiling: Script started on Tue Feb 28 09:08:54 1995 Aviion Bourne Shell > [?1h=./bi uild d-g[?1l> make args are "CC=cc" UX:ln: ERROR: Cannot create c-client: File exists UX:ln: ERROR: Cannot create imapd: File exists Making c-client library, mtest and imapd make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=d-g echo d-g > OSTYPE rm -rf systype ln -s ANSI systype cd ANSI/c-client; make d-g make mtest OS=d-g EXTRADRIVERS="" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ RSH=restsh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/restsh \ CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= " RANLIB=true ./drivers imap nntp pop3 mh mtx tenex mmdf bezerk news phile dummy rm -f OSTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h echo d-g > OSTYPE echo -g -Dconst= > CFLAGS echo > LDFLAGS ln -s os_d-g.h osdep.h cc -g -Dconst= -c mail.c cc -g -Dconst= -c bezerk.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mtx.c cc -g -Dconst= -c tenex2.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mbox.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mh.c cc -g -Dconst= -c mmdf.c cc -g -Dconst= -c imap2.c cc -g -Dconst= -c pop3.c cc -g -Dconst= -c news.c cc -g -Dconst= -c nntpcunx.c cc -g -Dconst= -c phile.c cc -g -Dconst= -c dummy.c cc -g -Dconst= -c smtp.c cc -g -Dconst= -c nntp.c cc -g -Dconst= -c rfc822.c cc -g -Dconst= -c misc.c cc -g -Dconst= -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto \ -DRSH=\"restsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/restsh\" \ -c os_d-g.c tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_open': In file included from os_d-g.c:58: tcp_unix.c:114: incompatible types in assignment os_d-g.c: In function `portable_utime': os_d-g.c:78: storage size of `times' isn't known Fatal error in /usr/lib/gcc/cc1 Exit status 041 *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Making Pico rm -f osdep.c cp os_unix.c osdep.c rm -f osdep.h cp os_unix.h osdep.h cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O attach.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O ansi.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O basic.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O bind.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O browse.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O buffer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O composer.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O display.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O file.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O fileio.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O line.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O osdep.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O pico.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O random.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O region.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O search.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O spell.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O tinfo.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O window.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O word.c cc -c -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -O htext.c ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o region.o search.o spell.o tinfo.o window.o word.o htext.o ar: creating libpico.a true libpico.a cc -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL main.c mtext.c libpico.a -lnsl_s -lgen -lcurses -o pico main.c: mtext.c: Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c addrbook.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c adrbklib.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c args.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c context.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c filter.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c folder.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c help.c ./cmplhelp.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c helptext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c imap.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c init.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailcap.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailcmd.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailindx.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailpart.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mailview.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c newmail.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c other.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c pine.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c print.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c reply.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c screen.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c send.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c signals.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c status.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c strings.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c ttyin.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c ttyout.c cd osdep; make includer os-sv4.c; cd .. cc -o includer includer.c ./includer < os-sv4.ic > os-sv4.c rm -f os.c ln -s osdep/os-sv4.c os.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c os.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c mtext.c cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -c htext.c Make: Don't know how to make ../c-client/c-client.a. Stop. Links to executables are in bin directory: bin/pine: cannot open size: bin/pine: cannot open size: bin/mtest: cannot open size: bin/imapd: cannot open bin/pico: 126768 + 49436 + 6244 = 182448 Done Aviion Bourne Shell > [?1h=exit[?1l> script done on Tue Feb 28 09:25:15 1995 here is a copy of our "utime.h" whic is in our /usr/include directory: /********************************************************** * Copyright (C) Data General Corporation, 1984 - 1992 * * All Rights Reserved. * * Licensed Material-Property of Data General Corporation. * * This software is made available solely pursuant to the * * terms of a DGC license agreement which governs its use. * **********************************************************/ /* <@(#) utime.h,v 5.1.1.2> */ /* Copyright (c) 1988 AT&T */ /* All Rights Reserved */ /* THIS IS UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF AT&T */ /* The copyright notice above does not evidence any */ /* actual or intended publication of such source code. */ /* #ident "@(#)head:utime.h 1.3" */ #ifndef _UTIME_H /* Prevent multiple inclusions of this file */ #define _UTIME_H #ifndef ___int_features_h #include #endif #ifdef _TARGETTING_M88KBCS_OR_M88KOCS_OR_DGUX #ifdef _USING_POSIX_OR_XPG3_OR_SYSV4_OR_DGUX #ifndef ___int_utime_h #include #endif _EXTERN int utime _PROTO_ARGS((const char *, const struct utimbuf *)); #endif /* #ifdef _USING_POSIX_OR_XPG3_OR_SYSV4_OR_DGUX */ #endif /* #ifdef _TARGETTING_M88KBCS_OR_M88KOCS_OR_DGUX */ #endif /* #ifndef _UTIME_H */ Sincerly yours A. Khamis Galtronics LTD. khamis@galtronics.co.il root@galtronics.co.il From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:54:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08115; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:54:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09217; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:38:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09211; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:38:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rk8Bb-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vermil@zeus.franklin.edu (Robert Vermilyer) Subject: Porting to VAX3300/Ultrix ? Message-Id: <1995Mar2.013944.26723@zeus.franklin.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:39:44 GMT In porting to a VAX3300 running Ultrix 4.1 I encountered the following problem: cc -DULT -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"VUL\" -c other.c "other.c", line 597: operands of * have incompatible types "other.c", line 1802: operands of * have incompatible types *** Error code 1 Stop. Any suggestions/solutions? -Bob Vermilyer -- Bob Vermilyer vermil@franklin.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 02:58:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08185; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:58:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09310; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:45:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09304; Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:45:35 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA02930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:45:26 +0800 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:45:26 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Juanita Fischer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Juanita Fischer wrote: > Is there a way to check for new mail from the command line without > entering pine? That is what I do... use pico to edit a text file containing the following: finger.sun keviny|grep "New mail" finger.sun keviny|grep unread finger.sun keviny|grep Unread finger.sun keviny|grep "Mail last read" Substitute finger.sun and keviny with your local finger command and your user-id respectively. Then, type "chmod u+x " to make it executable. I hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---- Kevin Yeung | | / / | | / / keviny@hk.super.net | | / / keviny@hk.linkage.net | |/ / gl191@cleveland.freenet.edu | \ | |\ \ ---- "Love me, that's all I ask of you" | | \ \ / / | | \ V / ---- \ / / / / / ----/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 06:20:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13235; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:20:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16348; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:06:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16342; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:06:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkBSD-00038CC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: teal@netcom.com (TEAL@netcom.com) Subject: Headers Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:22:00 GMT Is it possible to insert a new line in the Pine header to include information that wouldn't normally appear in the header? Your e-mail response is appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- \\\ |~~~~"Nemo me impune~~~~| @-oo |_______lacessit."______| //_< `> < ) __/ ~ \ / / Jodi Danzig (TEAL@netcom.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 06:51:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14014; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:51:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12361; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:32:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12355; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:32:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkBrg-00038CC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lackie@civl6000a.civil.queensu.ca (Kevin Lackie) Subject: printing problems Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j4jhp$htq@knot.queensu.ca> I am having a problem printing email messages using the attached to ansi printer option in the setup menu.I am currently using windows and the trumpet winsock software to telnet to our unix server where pine 3.90 resides. This print feature used to work using telnet in cutcp (Clarkson U.) software in dos to connect so I know it isn't a printer prob. Any help would be appreciated.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 07:08:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14428; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:08:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17314; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:03:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17308; Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:03:33 -0800 Received: from egret.mitre.org (egret.mitre.org [129.83.61.27]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07190 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 Received: (from cseymour@localhost) by egret.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA22607; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500 From: Chip Seymour Message-Id: <199503021503.KAA22607@egret.mitre.org> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 Forgive me if this is redundant; I rarely visit. Pine apparently generates a ^J as part of a mail message. I don't know enough about it to know why, but sendmail 8.6.10 "repairs" this and generates warnings in my syslog. (This is a result of the CERT advisory 95:05) Is someone working on this, or, is there something I can suggest to our users so this is no longer a problem? Chip Seymour (cseymour@mitre.org) SysAdmin The MITRE Corp Bedford MA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 10:06:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22241; Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:06:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21119; Thu, 2 Mar 95 09:53:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21113; Thu, 2 Mar 95 09:53:07 -0800 Received: from WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU by WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU (PMDF V4.3-13 #8782) id <01HNNT8B3SNKQO8N05@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:52:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:52:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rachid Boukhliq Subject: Best pine for Mac To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Please tell me what's the latest version of Pine that I can use on a Mac. Also, how do I subscribe to pine news group? Thank you kindly \\|// Rachid Boukhliq (o o) ==========================================================w===U===w======= Voice: 1-304-293-1497 Fax:1-304-293-3850 eMail: boukhli@wvnvms.wvnet.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 12:00:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00357; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:00:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19573; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:48:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.USCOURTS.GOV by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19567; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:48:44 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rkGrd-00027qC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:48 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rkGos-0000DvC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:45 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0rkGrP-000DdWC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:48 EST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:48:31 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: Ala Khamis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <9503021143.AA03329@aviion.galtronics.co.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Ala Khamis wrote: > March 2, 1995 > > > To whom it may concern, > > My name is Al Khamis, I am the System Administrator at Galtronics LTD. > in Israel. > I got throw uucp a tar file called: pine3.91_heb2.03. At my > company we have Data General Unix System 5.4R2.10 that works in the > Aviion 5500 server. I tried compiling the source code for pine along > with pico, mtest and imapd packages that came with the tar file. Well as > you see below only pico worked, but the rest did not, but I did not succeed. > Pine is an excelant E-mail program, and we at Galtronics would love to > use it, so if anybody can help us to figure out why is it not compiling, we > will be very thankfull. I just finished compiling Pine 3.91 on our AV5225+ running DG/UX 5.4R3.00, and had the very same problem. I resolved it by adding two lines into the file pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.h as follows: #define MAILFILE "/var/mail/%s" #define ACTIVEFILE "/var/news/active" #define NEWSSPOOL "/var/spool/news" #define NFSKLUDGE #include #include #include #include #include #include #include /* for struct tm */ #include /* needed for writev() prototypes */ #include #include /* FIRST INSERTED LINE */ #define flock dg_flock #undef utime /* SECOND INSERTED LINE */ #define utime portable_utime int portable_utime (char *file,time_t timep[2]); #include "env_unix.h" #include "fs.h" #include "ftl.h" #include "nl.h" #include "tcp.h" I then executed ./build clean followed by ./build d-g. Please let me know if this does not fix the problem in 5.4R2.01. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & J. Lynn Hilton | Internet: jlh@ao.uscourts.gov & & Concept Automation Services, Inc. | or: lhilton@concept.com & & AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 & & Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 12:55:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03217; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:55:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25679; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:39:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25673; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:39:48 -0800 Received: from egret.mitre.org (egret.mitre.org [129.83.61.27]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA28522 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 Received: (from cseymour@localhost) by egret.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA22958 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 15:39:46 -0500 From: Chip Seymour Message-Id: <199503022039.PAA22958@egret.mitre.org> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 Hello, Re: Mail from "Michael J. Corrigan" > THis is not a pine problem. Yes, I know. What I'm after is, perhaps, some sort of option that might go in pine.conf or .pinerc that suppresses the addition of the ^J until things get straightened out. > 8.6.11 comes out soon. Oh? Are you familiar with what 8.6.11 will do, i.e. does it have a fix for this problem? > You can comment out the warning on lines 1540-1544 of util.c ... I'll have to tolerate it, thanks. chip From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 13:16:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04529; Thu, 2 Mar 95 13:16:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20624; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:27:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20618; Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:27:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16081; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:27:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199503022027.MAA16081@weber.ucsd.edu> To: Chip Seymour Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Reply-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine vs. sendmail 8.6.10 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:03:32 -0500." <199503021503.KAA22607@egret.mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <16039.794176065.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 12:27:48 -0800 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" THis is not a pine problem. You can comment out the warning on lines 1540-1544 of util.c in the 8.6.10 code until 8.6.11 comes out soon. > Forgive me if this is redundant; I rarely visit. > > Pine apparently generates a ^J as part of a mail message. I don't know enough > about it to know why, but sendmail 8.6.10 "repairs" this and generates warnin gs > in my syslog. > > (This is a result of the CERT advisory 95:05) > > Is someone working on this, or, is there something I can suggest to our users > so this is no longer a problem? > > Chip Seymour (cseymour@mitre.org) > SysAdmin > The MITRE Corp > Bedford MA > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:05:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08562; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:05:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28322; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28314; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:34:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkJEk-000396C; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Gildas PERROT Subject: Re: Pine hangs up on NFS IRIX mailbox Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hi, I just have mounted mail directory with nfs3 instead of nfs and my problem has disapeared. Gildas. # Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique # Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o # e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, # Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) On 28 Feb 1995, Matthew Black wrote: > In article Gildas PERROT writes: > >Hi, > >I have problems to read e-mail on NFS mailbox directory with Pine 3.91 > >under IRIX 5.3. I got a patch from SGI to solve problems with NFS and > >mail lock file but this one just solves the problem for 'Mail' reader, > >not for Pine. When pine tries to read mail in an NFS mailbox, it hangs > >up. I didn't have this problem under IRIX 4.0.5. However, I recompiled > >Pine under 5.3 without more success. I know that I can use IMAP from > >Pine but I would prefer NFS for several reasons. > > >Does anyone solve this problem ? Thanks in advance for help. > >Gildas. > ># Gildas PERROT, Associe de recherche # Ecole Polytechnique > ># Institut de Genie Biomedical # C.P. 6079, Succ. Centre-Ville __o > ># e-mail: perrot@grbb.polymtl.ca # Montreal H3C3A7, Canada ------ \<, > ># Tel: (514) 340-4184 # Fax: (514) 340-4611 ------ (*)/ (*) > > You may want to build your pine with the MBOX driver: > /usr/src/pine3.91> ./build sgi EXTRADRIVERS=mbox > > We have our mail spool NFS mounted. By the way, MAIL_ATT doesn't work > with an NFS-mounted mail spool which is not exported with root permission. > MAIL_BSD does work fine, though. > > --matt > ============================================================================== > matthew black, systems analyst | The opinions expressed herein are mine and > california state university | don't necessarily reflect those my employer. > cecs department | > long beach, ca 90840 | email: black@csulb.edu > ===============================(c) 1994 by Matthew Black, all rights reserved= > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:18:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09061; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:18:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24120; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:04:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24114; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:04:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkJq8-00038FC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 14:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:14:58 -0500 Message-Id: References: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> In-Reply-To: David L Miller writes: > One of the advantages of using a dedicated IMAP server without shell > access is that we can safely switch to a more efficient format for mail > folders (Tenex). Without Tenex, the IMAP servers would use much more > memory and do more paging... Or you could use the Cyrus IMAP server, which uses an even more efficient format for mail folders. See http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/cyrus for more information. SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu writes: > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? If the users access usenet through the IMAP server, their personal subscriptions are stored on the IMAP server. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 15:51:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10108; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:51:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24800; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:37:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24794; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:37:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkK0m-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jmurphy@pinot.callamer.com (Jason Murphy) Subject: .kill file? Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile jmurphy@slonet.org -- ****************************************************************************** jmurphy@slonet.org | No one may like me, but your mom sure as hell loves me! Finger for PGP Key.| ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 16:15:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11267; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:15:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00505; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00499; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkKu3-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Variable for sender name? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:45:50 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Just set saved-msg-name-rule=by-sender in the Setup/Config screen... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Mar 1995, Stefan Berg wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT > From: Stefan Berg > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Variable for sender name? > > > > I was just wondering if it is possible to set the > default saving folder to something like > > mail/[$sender] > > in order to give the default saving folder the > name of the sender. Example: > > I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and > want to save it. Pine should then suggest the > saving folder 'someone'. > > If this is possible I would be MOST grateful > for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. > > Thank you for your help! > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Stefan Berg > > <+070-7561297> > Student at the Computer Science Department of the > University of Uppsala, Sweden > ------------------------------------------------- > ************************************************* > It's better to burn out than to fade away! > ************************************************* > [Kurgan, The Highlander] > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 16:41:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12693; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:41:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25985; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:27:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25979; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:27:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkLCG-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 16:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Headers Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:50:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yes, use the customized-hdrs entry in the Setup/Config screen (Pine 3.90 and up). |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, TEAL@netcom.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:22:00 GMT > From: TEAL@netcom.com > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Headers > > Is it possible to insert a new line in the Pine header to include > information that wouldn't normally appear in the header? Your > e-mail response is appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -- > \\\ |~~~~"Nemo me impune~~~~| > @-oo |_______lacessit."______| > //_< `> < ) > __/ ~ \ / / Jodi Danzig (TEAL@netcom.com) > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 17:51:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15771; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:51:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02630; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:32:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02624; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:32:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkMBn-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: .kill file? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:13:04 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Pine does not yet have .killfile support... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 1 Mar 1995, Jason Murphy wrote: > Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:32:44 GMT > From: Jason Murphy > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: .kill file? > > How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from > certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile > > jmurphy@slonet.org > > -- > ****************************************************************************** > jmurphy@slonet.org | No one may like me, but your mom sure as hell loves me! > Finger for PGP Key.| > ****************************************************************************** > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL1Txdt/IU4uTDdHNAQGrBwH+KUypVN437o8KByUlKndA0OFIozD8QQHn +gJWb8hTXdM6PucHwCwefjz177Nn72RILSqelqnYYStBwuRdwAUXpQ== =MbDc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 23:20:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23527; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:20:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02527; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:14:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02521; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:14:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkRVN-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mkyan@cs.cuhk.hk (Forrest Gump) Subject: pine.debug What is it? Date: 2 Mar 1995 04:13:48 GMT Message-Id: <3j3gls$enb@eng_ser1.erg.cuhk.hk> I just found out that there are some files called pine.debug?, in which the ? goes from 1 to 4. Is there anyone out there can tell me what kind of files are they. Martin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 2 23:53:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24379; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08008; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:49:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08002; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:49:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkS4U-00038DC; Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com (Atlas Computer Systems) Subject: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:21:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** Atlas Computer Systems is pleased to announce the arrival of the Western Digital Caviar AC31000 1.08 GB EIDE hard drive for the unbelievably low price of $389 plus $10 shipping and handling. 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We look forward to hearing from you. *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:33:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25198; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:33:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08473; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:30:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08464; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:30:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSfy-00038FC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Pine and commercial services Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:37:19 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, is it possible to use Pine with a commercial service mail system such as Compuserve, Prodigy, America Online, etc.? thanks, -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:35:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25292; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:35:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03543; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:29:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03537; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:29:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSfR-00038RC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:34:11 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. (from the man page) Name from - identifies sender of mail Syntax from [-f mailbox] [-s sender] Description The from command prints out the mail header lines in a mailbox file to show you who has sent mail to you. -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 00:48:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25598; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:48:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03804; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:45:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03798; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:45:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkSs9-00038ZC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: editing mail in Pine Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:03:51 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, is it possible to edit existing email message in Pine? I have some where I'd like to edit the headers. can I do this in Pine or must I do this outside of Pine? -Mike- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 01:01:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25979; Fri, 3 Mar 95 01:01:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08824; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08818; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:57:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkT5C-00038DC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 00:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: s93sbe@csd.uu.se (Stefan Berg) Subject: Variable for sender name? Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT Message-Id: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> I was just wondering if it is possible to set the default saving folder to something like mail/[$sender] in order to give the default saving folder the name of the sender. Example: I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and want to save it. Pine should then suggest the saving folder 'someone'. If this is possible I would be MOST grateful for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. Thank you for your help! -- ------------------------------------------------- Stefan Berg <+070-7561297> Student at the Computer Science Department of the University of Uppsala, Sweden ------------------------------------------------- ************************************************* It's better to burn out than to fade away! ************************************************* [Kurgan, The Highlander] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 03:01:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29031; Fri, 3 Mar 95 03:01:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05600; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:56:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05594; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:56:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkUqa-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 02:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jclark@polaris.net (Joseph S. Clark) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:47:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5lel$fnm@nexus.polaris.net> References: Mark Steele (mrs@crash.cts.com) was reputed to have uttered: :>So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) :>-- If you're in PICO, ^W ^V goes to bottom, ^W ^Y to top. -- Not your typical old Joe Clark------------------jclark@nexus.polaris.net | Tallahassee, Florida Where do you go when you're Toad Away? | | Florida info, original fiction, VW stuff, IVD & kids' links: | Homepage._________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 04:18:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01542; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:18:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11758; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:14:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11752; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:14:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkW6E-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu Subject: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 09:27:06 CST Message-Id: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> Recently Terry Gray described how email is handled at UW. I was especially interested in the description of the following: ..... The cluster includes 12 IMAP servers, although 4 were just added to accommodate expected growth. We figure each of these IMAP servers can handle at least 200 concurrent sessions ......... , but users are not permitted to get a login shell on the IMAP servers. UW-Parkside is considering using PINE email and we are trying to size an appropriate RS/6000 (new server or upgrade a model 360). I have a few questions: First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing shell access? And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how would they store their personal subscriptions (server, diskette, ... )? We are very interested in IMAP PINE. And thank you Terry for your original post. Patrick E. Hurley Sr. Systems Programmer University of Wisconsin - Parkside PHURLEY@VM.UWP.EDU From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 04:36:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02026; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:36:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07131; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:31:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07125; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:31:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkWKB-00038fC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 04:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: I want a .newsrc with everything Date: 21 Feb 1995 15:38:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3i8peb$p41@news1.digex.net> byrgb@millkern.digex.net (Byrg Bonnelycke) writes: >If I want to get a new .newsrc file, with ALL the some 10,000 newsgroup >names available to me on MY system, I: >1) delete MY current .newsrc file with the UNIX command: > rm .newsrc >2) call 'tin' with the UNIX command: > tin >3) exit tin IMMEDIATELY and return to the UNIX prompt with tin's > 'q' command >4) then search & edit the new COMPLETE .newsrc file with the vi-editor: > vi .newsrc Note that this method will only work if your sys admin has set tin up to subscribe to all groups if there is no .newsrc. Some sys admins set things up so that the default is to subscribe you to only local newsgroups and newuser newsgroups. I think there is a way to subscribe to everything from within tin - it involves using y to yank in all newsgroups. Maybe a tin user could post the instructions... -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 05:14:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03007; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:14:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12514; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:08:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12508; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:08:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkWxo-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cmmadiso@uncc.edu (Christopher M Madison) Subject: 3.91, Locks up when posting Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:58:18 GMT Message-Id: <3j4puq$chd@news.uncc.edu> Hello, I have this problem when trying to post to a news group. When I want to post, the terminal locks up when the posting screen is displayed. Nothing works, I can't ^C or ^Z. When I kill the process it does not die gracefully and leaves the terminal in a frozen state:-( Everything else works great! I have pine 3.91 and am running FreeBSD 2.0. Any info or a * to info would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- root@tippy.cybernetics.net | When a person who is a slave to the absurd cmadison@cybernetx.net | conditions about him declares that there is a cmmadiso@uncc.edu | limit to what he will endure or approve, | he becomes a man, he exists. -Albert Camus

------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cybernetics.net/users/cmadison/homepage.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 05:56:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03998; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:56:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08160; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:50:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08154; Fri, 3 Mar 95 05:50:18 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA00956 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:50:07 +0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:50:07 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Jason Murphy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: .kill file? In-Reply-To: <3j2llc$kht@clue.callamer.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Mar 1995, Jason Murphy wrote: > How do I go about making a textfile (or in PINE) that deletes mail from > certain people, whos name is in the file. I beleive it is called a .killfile Try to use procmail. Perhaps you can ask you system admin to set it up for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---- Kevin Yeung | | / / | | / / keviny@hk.super.net | | / / keviny@hk.linkage.net | |/ / gl191@cleveland.freenet.edu | \ | |\ \ ---- "Love me, that's all I ask of you" | | \ \ / / | | \ V / ---- \ / / / / / ----/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 07:16:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05792; Fri, 3 Mar 95 07:16:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08672; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:25:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08666; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:25:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkY9J-00038RC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 06:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lee Ann Sakihara Subject: Does .mailcap support uudecode? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:22:48 GMT Is it possible to add a line to the .mailcap file so that if a uuencoded file is sent as an attachment it will uudecode the file automatically? Below is the original message from the person I'm trying to help. >what's the possibility of pine being able to interpret uuencoded messages >automatically (particularly cc:mail)? Is there a setting that I can set >in pine or the senders (US Fish & Wildlife service and Nat. Park Service) >can set in cc:mail to allow pine to read automatically? it's just plain >& simple uuencoding, but pine says "data type unknown" or some such as >that when attempting to view the attachments. Thanks for any help you can offer. Lee Ann Sakihara, University of Hawaii, Information Technology Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 08:39:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08185; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10793; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10787; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:04 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21808; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:29:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:28:53 -30000 From: "Stephen R. Wylie" Subject: Re: Variable for sender name? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3j416k$cag@columba.udac.uu.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Mar 1995, Stefan Berg wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 08:55:48 GMT > From: Stefan Berg > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Variable for sender name? > > > > I was just wondering if it is possible to set the > default saving folder to something like > > mail/[$sender] > > in order to give the default saving folder the > name of the sender. Example: > > I get a mail from someone@nowhere.world, and > want to save it. Pine should then suggest the > saving folder 'someone'. > > If this is possible I would be MOST grateful > for e-mail reply or a posting in this group. > > Thank you for your help! look in .pinerc.... be sure to have the line: saved-msg-name-rule=by-sender that's what does it in my .pinerc file... > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Stefan Berg > > <+070-7561297> > Student at the Computer Science Department of the > University of Uppsala, Sweden > ------------------------------------------------- > ************************************************* > It's better to burn out than to fade away! > ************************************************* > [Kurgan, The Highlander] > srw ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen R. Wylie http://www.wylie.com/~swylie/ computer geek Internet Email: swylie@wylie.com Linux Freak For PGP public key, Finger ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 82KZ550-C or send mail to above addr. with Subject: get pubkey Atlanta, GA "I'm your icecreamman; stop me when I'm passing by" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 08:45:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08471; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:45:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16001; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15995; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:39:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkaMP-00038MC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 08:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Subject: Feature request: Simple macros for pine Date: 3 Mar 1995 11:54:01 +0800 Message-Id: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> One thing that I find myself doing far too often is doing selections on a very large volume of mail. It'd be nice to be able to automate it with a macro facility of some sort.. Even more of the "startup keystrokes" type of thing would be useful. Damn, it looks like I'm going to have to give up and learn procmail... -Peter From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 09:37:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11189; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:37:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12203; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12197; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkb5Y-00038MC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@HENRY.Dorm10.nctu.edu.tw (Peter Chang) Subject: how to set passwd Date: 2 Mar 1995 20:56:04 GMT Message-Id: <3j5bd4$61@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> How to set passwd in pcpine for checking mail? the 3.91 version said it didn't provide!? so..which can? -- *** Peter Chang from Peter's Studio 1995 *** e-mail address: peter@henry.dorm10.nctu.edu.tw peter.bbs@bbs.ntu.edu.tw From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 09:51:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11817; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17507; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:34:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17501; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:34:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkbAW-00038KC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hahm@ee.deere.com Subject: Where is the FAQ??? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:18:44 GMT Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? If so where?? ------ Ronald Hahm E-Mail: hahm@ee.deere.com Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine and not that of the company I work for. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 10:27:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13384; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:27:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13578; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:19:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13572; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:19:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkbtq-00038SC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ikeda@axcrna.cern.ch (Makoto Ikeda) Subject: pine and unregistered Content-Transfer-Encoding Message-Id: <3MAR199516111952@axcrna.cern.ch> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:11:00 GMT Hi, I received what appeared at first to be a MIME compliant mail message, except that the attachment used x-uuencode for the content transfer encoding. I know the MIME standard discourages the use of alternate encodings (especially uuencode) to the default base64, but is there a way configure pine to use uuencode instead? Or perhaps something can be put into the mailcap file? Regards, Makoto Ikeda ************************************************************* * Makoto IKEDA * Tel : +41 22 749 0365 * * ISO * FAX : +41 22 733 3430 * * 1 rue de Varembe * email: ikeda@isocs.iso.ch * * CH-1211 Geneva 20 * http://www.iso.ch/staffe/ikeda.html * ********************************************************** Disclaimer: This message is an expression of my views and does not necessarily represent the views of my employer. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 11:26:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16193; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:26:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20106; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:19:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20100; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:19:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkcrg-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard) Subject: accessing mh and berkeley style folders under pine. Date: 03 Mar 1995 15:06:44 GMT Message-Id: All of the comments below pertain to pine 3.91 on Solaris 2.3/2.4. PC access will be with the appropriate version of pine for a pc running dos/windows .... My users who have X-terminals use exmh for mail reading, however I need a solution for mail access when these users are not on the X-terminal E.G. dialup and pc or tty access. Also I would like the users to have access to regular "From " delimited berkeley mail format mail boxes (these are used for archiving mailing lists). So how do I configure pine to use the MH folder/subfolder arrangement, while preserving the ability to read regular mboxes. Access to these folders is over NFS. Do I have to use pine in IMAP client mode to support MH folder access? The way I have defined my folder collections are: folder-collections=Mail/[], MH-Mail #mh/MH/[] Comments? -- John John Rouillard Senior Systems Administrator IDD Information Services rouilj@dstar.iddis.com Waltham, MA (617) 890-7227 x337 (617) 487-3937 (Direct) Senior Systems Consultant (SERL Project) University of Massachusetts at Boston rouilj@cs.umb.edu (preferred) Boston, MA, (617) 287-6480 =============================================================================== My employers don't acknowledge my existence much less my opinions. -- -- John John Rouillard Senior Systems Administrator IDD Information Services rouilj@dstar.iddis.com Waltham, MA (617) 890-7227 x337 (617) 487-3937 (Direct) Senior Systems Consultant (SERL Project) University of Massachusetts at Boston rouilj@cs.umb.edu (preferred) Boston, MA, (617) 287-6480 =============================================================================== My employers don't acknowledge my existence much less my opinions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 12:06:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18592; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:06:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16264; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:02:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16258; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:02:12 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id MAA28178; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:01:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Wockner Subject: Pine broken To: pine@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:25:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rex Wockner To: Rex Wockner , E-Mail support Account , Systems Administrator Subject: Pine broken Pine lets you make mailing lists. For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is sending error messages. I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, some have perhaps 80. When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting pine then insert all the addresses. For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" notations. And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the copy to myself. The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 or 20 people. Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. Please help. rwockner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:13:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21659; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:13:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17493; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:00:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17487; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:00:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkeQe-00038FC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cs135571@student.uq.edu.au (Stephen Kelly) Subject: imap Date: 2 Mar 1995 07:58:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j3ts1$nnl@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> We are currently using pine 3.91 and want to use imapd, however when we run pine and it goes to retreive the users mailbox on a remote machine it always prompts for a userid and password. We have tried both imap and rimapd in /etc/inetd and it does the same thing for both situations. We have a .rhosts file and our users can rlogin into the remote server without any problems. We would prefer it not to prompt for a userid or password. Have we done something wrong in the setup or is this the way imap works. Please Help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:34:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22832; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:34:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23071; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:21:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23065; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:21:17 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id NAA11233; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:20:49 -0800 From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Message-Id: <199503032120.NAA11233@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: SUDDENLY TO, CC AND BCC WON'T ACCEPT MORE THAN 25 ADDRESSES To: netmail@netcom.com (E-Mail support Account), sysadm@netcom.com (Systems Administrator) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 377 As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. rwockner@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 13:53:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23496; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:53:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23548; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:43:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23542; Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:43:53 -0800 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id NAA06745; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:43:30 -0800 From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Message-Id: <199503032143.NAA06745@netcom13.netcom.com> Subject: subscription address? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:43:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 70 What is the subscription address for this list? Thanks, Rex Wockner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 14:12:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24303; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:12:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23955; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:05:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23949; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:05:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkfS5-00038qC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jclark@polaris.net (Joseph S. Clark) Subject: Re: How to go to top/bottom of large file? Date: 2 Mar 1995 19:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <3j5nqa$glf@nexus.polaris.net> References: <3j5lel$fnm@nexus.polaris.net> Joseph S. Clark (jclark@polaris.net) was reputed to have uttered: :>Mark Steele (mrs@crash.cts.com) was reputed to have uttered: :>:>So, HOW do you to go to top/bottom of large file? (In 1 or 2 keystrokes?) :>:>-- :>If you're in PICO, ^W ^V goes to bottom, ^W ^Y to top. Also... In Pine 3.91, when viewing a message, W ^V and W ^Y -- Not your typical old Joe Clark------------------jclark@nexus.polaris.net | Tallahassee, Florida Where do you go when you're Toad Away? | | Florida info, original fiction, VW stuff, IVD & kids' links: | Homepage._________________| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 14:34:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25219; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:34:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24355; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:21:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24347; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:21:45 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13725; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:13:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:33:00 -0500 Message-Id: <95030316330071@aurora.liunet.edu> From: ray@aurora.liunet.edu (Lonnie Ray) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: faq X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" send faq From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:09:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26779; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:09:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25301; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:01:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25295; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:01:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkgFp-00038lC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:07:07 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu wrote: > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 09:27:06 CST > From: SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account > > Recently Terry Gray described how email is handled at UW. > I was especially interested in the description of the following: > > ..... The cluster includes 12 IMAP servers, although 4 were just added > to accommodate expected growth. We figure each of these IMAP servers can > handle at least 200 concurrent sessions ......... , but > users are not permitted to get a login shell on the IMAP servers. > > UW-Parkside is considering using PINE email and we are trying to size an > appropriate RS/6000 (new server or upgrade a model 360). I have a few > questions: > > First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were > both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent > sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? > Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? > Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing > shell access? One of the advantages of using a dedicated IMAP server without shell access is that we can safely switch to a more efficient format for mail folders (Tenex). Without Tenex, the IMAP servers would use much more memory and do more paging... One weakness of Tenex in a shell environment is that the folders look like ordinary text files, but are very difficult to edit without corrupting them. Other mail programs also do not understand Tenex format. These together would undoubtedly cause support problems... > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? > Users of the IMAP servers access them from shell accounts on other servers or from PCs. In either case, they use local storage on the other machines for configuration information, etc. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:44:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28454; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:44:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25833; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25827; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:26:31 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04558; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:18:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <95030318221750@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" subscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 15:52:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28851; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:52:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21295; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:41:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21289; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:41:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkgtc-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 15:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: simttcn@singnet.com.sg (Sim Tet Chun) Subject: Error compiling Pine 3.91 for SV4 - HELP!!! Date: 27 Feb 1995 17:40:29 GMT Message-Id: <3it2qd$p97@singapura.singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 I've tried to compile Pine 3.91 on the Fujitsu DS/90 server with System V 4.2. But I encounter some errors :- ====================== start ====================== Making Pine. rm -f os.h ln -s osdep/os-sv4.h os.h ./cmplhlp2.sh < pine.hlp > helptext.h cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DSYSTYPE=\"SV4\" -c addrbook.c "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 94: identifier redeclared: system "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 121: identifier redeclared: rename "addrbook.c", line 7465: warning: semantics of ">" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Links to executables are in bin directory: size: bin/pine: cannot open bin/mtest: 331702 + 27568 + 3552 = 362822 bin/imapd: 347822 + 29556 + 10732 = 388110 bin/pico: 114905 + 25304 + 6072 = 146281 Done ================= end ==================== All the programs compiled successfully except Pine. I'm very new to C on Unix and really hope that someone can help me out. Is there any way to correct the "identifier redeclared" errors? Thanks in advance!!! -- ============================================================================ Sim Tet Chun (065)-752-1502 (065)-303-3603 Linux Users Group (Singapore) e-mail : simttcn@singnet.com.sg simttcn%duckie@lugs.po.my They do not truly love who do not show their love -- SHAKESPEARE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 16:39:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00876; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:39:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26939; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26933; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkhZy-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Does .mailcap support uudecode? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:18:19 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: If you're sent a uuencoded file as an attachment (though I don't see why anyone would use both!), you can (in Pine 3.9x) V (View) the attachment, then | (Pipe) it to uudecode. ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Lee Ann Sakihara wrote: > Is it possible to add a line to the .mailcap file so that if a uuencoded > file is sent as an attachment it will uudecode the file automatically? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:00:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01762; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:00:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22404; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:40:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22397; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:40:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkhpm-00038jC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lhermans@uia.ac.be (0000-Admin(0000)) Subject: add signs? Message-Id: <1995Mar2.102850.29446@reks.uia.ac.be> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:28:50 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03616; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28448; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:21:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28442; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:21:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkiW0-00038OC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: E-mail CERT Alert Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:21 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This article is referring to 20 variants of sendmail.... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 24 Feb 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: > Date: 24 Feb 1995 11:30:04 -0800 > From: Don Sugarman > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: E-mail CERT Alert > > > Regarding the following item from Edupage, does anyone have the details? > > Don Sugarman > sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com > > MORE SECURITY PROBLEMS ON THE INTERNET > The Computer Emergency Response Team has issued a public warning on a > vulnerability in some 20 commonly used e-mail programs that run on Unix > operating systems. The advisory said the latest discovery could allow a > hacker to "read any file on the system, overwrite or destroy files." The > ultimate solution to these recurrent security problems, says Purdue > University professor Eugene Spafford, is for consumers to demand better > security features from software manufacturers. In the absence of improved > software, "are we going to continue seeing problems? You bet." (Wall > Street Journal 2/23/95 B8) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 17:29:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03758; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:29:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23219; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [141.206.10.110] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23213; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:52 -0800 Received: from hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM) by mailhost.ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01841; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:11 PST Received: by hostsw7.ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04714; Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:08:18 PST Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Feinholz X-Sender: sf3@hostsw7 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine send mail (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A coworker is having the following problem. Anyone have any ideas? We are running Pine on Sun workstations running SunOs 4.1.3. ________________________________________________________________________ ==== AT&T | Steven Feinholz | VOICEplus: 427-5945 =--=== Global | Client Software | Phone: (310) 524-5945 =--=== Information | 100 N. Sepulveda Blvd. | FAX: (310) 524-5515 ==== Solutions | El Segundo, Ca 90245 | sf3@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.com ________________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:55:13 PST From: Bruce Long To: modem_users@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM Subject: Pine send mail I get this when I try to send mail using the pine utility: HELO ifpsw3.elsegundoCA.NCR.COM 553 ifpsw3. elsegundoCA.NCR.COM host name configuration error COPSW42.....Service Unavailable Anyone run into this? More importantly, anyone know how to solve it? Thx, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:12:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07624; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:12:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00203; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:00:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00197; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:00:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkk4N-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Crash ??? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:51:57 GMT Pine just crashed. Here's the relevant part of .pine-crash: Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.91 Fri Mar 3 15:44:51 1995 ... last-time-prune-ques : 94.11 last-version-used : 3.91 ... Userid: news Fullname: "NetNews Administrator" User domain name being used "mccc.edu" Local Domain name being used "tecoma" Host name being used "tecoma" Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"mccc.edu" Context mail/[] type: LOCAL ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument Terminal type: vt100 Context mail/[] type: LOCAL about to end_tty_driver Pine Panic: Unable to look up user in passwd file save_debug_on_crash: Version 3.91: debug level 2 : Fri Mar 3 15:44:52 1995 Attempting to save debug file to /usr/lib/news/home/.pine-crash ============= Note the line that says ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Invalid argument Where in the pine source code might that have come from???? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:14:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07684; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:14:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24884; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:50:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24878; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:50:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkjn3-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Feature request: Simple macros for pine Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:49:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j63sp$mv6$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Macros are on the wish-list for me too :) |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 3 Mar 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > Date: 3 Mar 1995 11:54:01 +0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Feature request: Simple macros for pine > > One thing that I find myself doing far too often is doing selections > on a very large volume of mail. > > It'd be nice to be able to automate it with a macro facility of some > sort.. Even more of the "startup keystrokes" type of thing would be > useful. > > Damn, it looks like I'm going to have to give up and learn procmail... > > -Peter > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:16:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07736; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:16:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25145; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:05:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25139; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:05:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkk5s-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: IMAP Pine vs. Shell account Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 20:22:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1735584EAS86.SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 SYSPHURL@vm.uwp.edu wrote: > First, I see they do not allow shell accounts. If shell and IMAP were > both allowed, how do you think this would effect the max concurrent > sessions (assuming half the users would use shell)? It is rumored that one interactive user is about equivalent to 3 IMAP users. > Second, are there other reasons for not allowing shell access? We wanted to have a dedicated machine that would be highly reliable for our IMAP server. Interactive systems have all sorts of nasty variabilities (e.g. an OS bug triggered by an undebugged user program could crash the system) that dedicated systems do not. > Third, would there been any negative implications to not allowing > shell access? It all depends upon what you are trying to do. We prefer to buy a lot of smaller cheaper machines than fewer big machines. > And Fourth, assuming students have non-shell access to usenet, how > would they store their personal subscriptions > (server, diskette, ... )? This too depends upon the configuration. It is possible to have subscriptions on the IMAP server if you use IMAP for news instead of NNTP. This is also going to become a lot more flexible in the near future. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:26:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08038; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:26:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00555; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:21:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00549; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:21:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkkMq-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Re: distribution list question Message-Id: References: <3ijfig$2tk@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:23:59 GMT Mitchell Allen (ez045354@chip.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : is there any way to send mail to a distribution list without having the : entire list print out in the header of the message? i have a couple of : long distribution lists and i would rather just have the alias in the : header than pages of names proceeding the message. i don't know if this : is a common question or not, but i did not see any reference to it in the : current postings, nor have i found any information through man pages, etc. : if you have any input, please contact me here, or via e-mail. : thanks, : mitch : mtallen@ucdavis.edu use bcc -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 19:36:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08232; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:36:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25522; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25514; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:30:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkkRC-00038lC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Error with Distribution list over 20 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:30:15 GMT Pine lets you make mailing lists. For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is sending error messages. I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, some have perhaps 80. When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting pine then insert all the addresses. For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" notations. And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the copy to myself. The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 or 20 people. Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. Please help. rwockner@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:29:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09436; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:29:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01443; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:25:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01437; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:25:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklJB-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hbbio011@huey.csun.edu (arno sarkissian) Subject: PC-PINE support for dos Date: 3 Mar 1995 23:23:14 GMT Message-Id: <3j88d2$fu6@dewey.csun.edu> Hi, Does anyone know if there is any version of PC-PINE that runs on DOS. I'm Looking for a Offline mail that works proerly w/PINE. PC-PINE seems to be suitable. I want to know if there is any version of pc-pine that works on XTs. Thanks, Arno -- GeneMED(tm) | Major: Molecular Biology Arno D. Sarkissian(hbbio011@huey.csun.edu) | Biochemistry 10832 Encino Ave. | Granada Hills., CA. 91344 | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:46:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09759; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:46:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26481; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26475; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklcc-00038LC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:27:55 GMT As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. rwockner@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 20:49:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09829; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:49:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01664; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01658; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:41:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rklXT-00038kC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bryan@netcom.com (Bryan Higgins) Subject: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:13:47 GMT This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. Help would be most appreciated. -- Bryan Higgins, Berkeley, California (bryan@netcom.com, bryan@well.com) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:47:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11148; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:47:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27312; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:41:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27306; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:41:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmXB-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Nelson Subject: Updating of remote INBOX with Win Pine Date: 3 Mar 1995 22:45:49 GMT Message-Id: <3j866t$erg@netnet2.netnet.net> The only time my INBOX is updated with new mail is when I do an eXpunge. VMS pine updates as new mail arrives on the server. WinPine is using a remote INBOX. Is it supposed to update or do you have to quit and restart or eXpunge to update the INBOX? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:55:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11455; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:55:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02576; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:52:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02570; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:52:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmiu-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: R.Spall-94@student.lut.ac.uk (Russ Spall) Subject: hi Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:59:38 GMT Keywords: dd From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:59:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11506; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:59:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02598; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:54:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02592; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:54:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkmjh-00038LC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 21:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PCPINE3.91 hanging - repost - fruzztrated Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:53:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3j7s3b$gng@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. telnet works fine, so does ftp. The name server one the network seems to be functioning properly -- at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, config.tel seems to be ok, and configtel= is set properly. PINE seems to be using it. When I removed configtel, PINE tries to BOOTP, which fails. Put it back, PINE comes up. But, when I put the {host.domain} in the pinerc path to INBOX, PCPINE_P can't open the inbox, (error 143, I think) . If I then go into setup and configure and change he path to {ip.address}, return and attempt to read the inbox, pine makes the connection, and things seem to be fine. If I then exit PINE, and try to run it again, with the path set to {ip.address}, it hangs at opening INBOX -- requiring a reset. If I manually edit the pinerc file back to {host.domain}, it will at least come up, although, again, it can't find the INBOX until I go through setup, etc., etc. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Here is my PINERC, and for good measure, my CONFIG.TEL. I hope you can see a problem. Thanks for your time. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com 813-388-4441 Begin PINERC ============================ # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # # This file sets the configuration options used by Pine and PC-Pine. If you # are using Pine on a Unix system, there may be a system-wide configuration # file which sets the defaults for these variables. There are comments in # this file to explain each variable, but if you have questions about # specific settings see the section on configuration options in the Pine # notes. On Unix, run pine -conf to see how system defaults have been set. # For variables that accept multiple values, list elements are separated # by commas. A line beginning with a space or tab is considered to be a # continuation of the previous line. For a variable to be unset its value # must be blank. To set a variable to the empty string its value should # be "". You can override system defaults by setting a variable to the # empty string. Switch variables are set to either "yes" or "no", and # default to "no". # Lines beginning with "#" are comments, and ignored by Pine. ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### # Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine. personal-name=Don Hayward # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=don # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail. user-domain=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. #smtp-server=204.199.126.2 smtp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading. #nntp-server=204.199.126.2 nntp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path={isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}INBOX ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. ={host2}inbox, {host3}inbox # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path incoming-folders= # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections=Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections=Main {204.199.126.2}mail/[], Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections= # List, only needed if nntp-server not set, or news is on a different host # than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[] # Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] news-collections= # Over-rides default path for sent-mail folder, e.g. =old-mail (using first # folder collection dir) or ={host2}sent-mail or ="" (to suppress saving). # Default: sent-mail (Unix) or SENTMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection. default-fcc= # Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =pm (which uses # first folder collection dir) or ={host4}pm (using home dir on host4). # Default: postponed-mail (Unix) or POSTPONE.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn. postponed-folder= # If set, specifies where already-read messages will be moved upon quitting. read-message-folder= # Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature signature-file=c:\dons\pine.sig # List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s). # Default: none # Syntax: optnl-label path-name global-address-book=LAB-ADDRESSES {isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}/root/.addressbook # List of file or path names for personal addressbook(s). # Default: ~/.addressbook (Unix) or \PINE\ADDRBOOK (PC) # Syntax: optnl-label path-name address-book=c:\dons\addrbook ############################### Preferences ################################ # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs, auto-open-next-unread # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs= # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs= # Determines default folder name for Saves... # Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used. # Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC). saved-msg-name-rule= # Determines default name for Fcc... # Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used. # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule= # Sets presentation order of messages in Index. Choices: # subject, from, arrival, date, size. Default: "arrival". sort-key= # Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort, # fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname # Default: "fullname-with-lists-last". addrbook-sort-rule= # Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII. # Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9). character-set= # Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer, # or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature. editor=e # Program to view images (e.g. GIF or TIFF attachments). image-viewer= # If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only) use-only-domain-name= ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## # Your printer selection printer= # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers personal-print-command= # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=95.3 # Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message. last-version-used=3.91 # Full path and name of NEWSRC file newsrc-path= # Extension used for local folder names (".MTX" by default). folder-extension= # Choose: black,blue,green,cyan,red,magenta,yellow,or white (CAPS=BLINKING). normal-foreground-color=green normal-background-color=black reverse-foreground-color=black reverse-background-color=green ===================================== End PINERC Begin CONFIG.TEL ===================================== # # Example host file for Telnet 2.3 # # "funny, this configuration file is readable ..." # # This file is free form # Separators are any char <33 and :;= # # The form is keyword=value for each parameter. # The first set of parameters refer to the whole program's defaults. # These parameter values can be in any order. # Following this are the individual machine specs. # If the first machine is name "default", then it contains default # values for the rest of the machines. # myip=204.199.126.3 # required, your IP number #myip=RARP # receive my IP number from a RARP server #myip=BOOTP # receive my IP number from a BOOTP server # legal values are: a number of the form: # x.x.x.x, RARP, or BOOTP # Defaults to 127.0.0.1 netmask=255.255.255.0 # subnetting mask # Default is 0.0.0.0 #The following are the ISA boards supported: #hardware=atalk # network adapter board (Appletalk) #interrupt=60 #hardware=3c501 # network adapter board (3 COM 501) #address=d000 # shared memory address #ioaddr=300 # I/O address #interrupt=5 # hardware IRQ interrupt #hardware=star10 # network adapter board (AT&T starlan 10) #address=d800 # shared memory address #ioaddr=300 # I/O address #interrupt=5 # hardware IRQ interrupt #hardware=pcnic # network adapter board (Ungermann-Bass PC-NIC) #address=d800 #interrupt=5 #hardware=3c503 # network adapter board ( 3 Com 503) #ioaddr=280 #address=dc00 #interrupt=5 #wire=thick hardware=packet # network adapter board (packet driver interface) interrupt=0x0f ioaddr=0x340 #hardware=ni5210 # network adapter board (Micom NI5210 ) #address=d000 #ioaddr=360 #interrupt=2 #hardware=wd800 # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003E) #address=d800 #ioaddr=360 #interrupt=5 #hardware=wd800 # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003EB) #address=d800 # Remember to run the 'SETUP' program #ioaddr=360 # provided by Western Digital to enable #interrupt=3 # the board correctly! #The following are the MCA boards supported: #hardware=wd8003a # network adapter board (Western Digital WD8003A) #address=c400 #interrupt=10 #ioaddr=280 #hardware=ni9210 # network adapter board (Micom ni9210) #address=c800 #interrupt=9 #ioaddr=300 #hardware=nicps2 # network adapter board (Ungermann-Bass NICps/2) #address=d000 #interrupt=5 #ioaddr=1550 #hardware=3c523 # network adapter board (3Com 523) #address=d800 #interrupt=7 #ioaddr=1300 #cursortop=2 # option to set the top of the cursor block # measured in scanlines from the top of the # character block # Default is -1 (don't modify the existing setting) #cursorbottom=7 # option to set the bottom of the cursor block # measured in scanlines from the top of the # character block # Default is -1 (don't modify the existing setting) broadcast= # broadcast IP number # Default is 255.255.255.255 #windowgoaway=yes # whether windows go away when closed # Default is no #autoscroll=no # whether to autoscroll when at the top of the # screen in scrollback # Default is yes #clock=off # whether the clock is displayed or not # Default is on myname="mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us" # used in LPR to notify the LPR server # who is printing # Defaults to none termtype="vt100" # the type of terminal emulation to perform # currently only vt100 is supported # Default is vt100 #outputfile=telnet.out # path name of the output mapping file # Defaults to none #keyfile=keymap.key # path name of your keyboard re-mapping file # Defaults to none #beep=yes # display musical note in session status # on the status line when a ascii 7 is received # in that session # Defaults to no #services=services.tel # path to the services file for displaying # network information # Defaults to none tek=yes # enable tektronix graphics # Default is on video=ega # type of video screen # Legal values for video are: # cga,ega,pga,no9,hercules,ega43,vga50 # Default is ega bios=no # don't use slow BIOS screen access # bios=yes to reduce flicker on cga # bios=yes for TopView or Windows # Default is no ftp=yes # do you want ftp enabled? # Default is no rcp=no # do you want rcp enabled? # Default is no #domainretry=3 # number of domain lookup retries # Default is 3 domain="marinelab.sarasota.fl.us" # default domain for hostname lookup # Default is none domaintime=4 # timeout for a domain lookup # Defaults to 4 #concolor=070170 # Set the console colors # Default is 070170 capfile= # default name for capture file # Default is none #hpfile=hp.out # file to write HPGL to, # COM1 can be used for attached plotter # Defaults to none #psfile=ps.out # file to write postscript to # Detaults to none #tekfile=tek.out # file to write Tek codes to # Defaults to none arptime=8 # arp timeout in seconds # affects machines on your local network # Defaults to 8 #passfile="c:\telnet\telpass" # name of file to find FTP passwords in # Default is none # # Following are individual machine specifications # Gateways are used in order that they appear in the file # Nameservers rotate, #1, #2, #3, #1, #2 when a request fails # # The machine named "default" contains the fields which are automatically # filled in for later hosts # name=default # Session name, "default" is a reserved name # Not a real machine, default parameters only #host=sri-nic.arpa # Actual host name of machine, not session name # Required #hostip=10.0.0.51 # IP address of host, example is for SRI-NIC # Required #gateway=1 # This machine is a gateway for me # Default is no (0) #nameserver=1 # This machine has a DOMAIN name server for me # Default is no (0) #scrollback=400 # number of lines of scrollback per session # Default is (0) #clearsave=on # whether to save cleared line in scrollback # Default is on # color codes for a specific session: # black, blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, yellow, white # BLACK, BLUE, GREEN, CYAN, RED, MAGENTA, YELLOW, WHITE # # NOTE: when the highlighted colors are used for a background color, # they produce blinking text. nfcolor=white # vt100 normal foreground color # Default is green nbcolor=black # vt100 normal background color # Default is black bfcolor=red # vt100 blink foreground color # Default is black bbcolor=blue # vt100 blink background color # Default is green rfcolor=black # vt100 reverse foreground color # Default is blue rbcolor=white # vt100 reverse background color # Default is black ufcolor=red # vt100 underline foreground color # Default is blue ubcolor=cyan # vt100 underline background color # Default is black erase=backspace # use delete code or backspace code for <- key? # legal values are "delete" and "backspace" # Default is "backspace" vtwrap=yes # should VT100 be in wrap mode or not? # Default is no #vtwidth=80 # width of the vt100 screen # legal values are 80 and 132 # Default is 80 (132 may not work correctly) crmap=4.3BSDCRNUL # map of the CR key for compatibility # legal values are "4.3BSDCRNUL" and "LF" # Default is "LF" #duplex=half # modifier for non-echo mode, forces send # legal value are "full" and "half" # Default is full duplex #font=Monaco # font for the window text (Unsupported) # Default is Monaco #fsize=9 # fontsize for the window text (Unsupported) # Deafult is 9 #port=23 # value of the port to telnet to # Default is 23 #ftpoptions="-n" # modifier for the 'ftp back to PC' string # The string is sent as: # "ftp # Default is none #outputmap=yes # Whether to use the output mapping for this # machine. # Legal values are: "yes" or "no" # Default is no # The following entries affect the tuning of TCP connections to this host. # They should be set by the network administrator who is familiar with # the requirements of your specific network. contime=30 # timeout in seconds to try connection # before returning error to user # Default is (20) retrans=17 # starting retransmit time out in ticks # 1/18ths of sec # Default is (5) mtu=1024 # maximum transmit unit in bytes # outgoing packet size, MAX=1024 # Default is (512) maxseg=1024 # largest segment we can receive # whatever the hardware can take, MAX=2048 # Default is (1024) rwin=1024 # most bytes we can receive without ACK # =TCP window size, MAX=4096 # larger isn't always better # Default is (1024) # # Below this line, most of the communication parameters are obtained # from the "default" host entry. # Machine names, IP addresses, and special communication parameters are # present when needed. name=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.2 nameserver=1 name=isurus; copyfrom=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us name=master.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.5 name=master; copyfrom=master.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us name=client.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us; hostip=204.199.126.6 name=client; copyfrom=client.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us #name=void ; hostip=204.199.126.20; nameserver=3 erase=delete #name=v; copyfrom=void #name=yoyodyne ; hostip=204.199.126.46; nameserver=4 erase=delete #name=yoyo; copyfrom=yoyodyne #name=uiucuxa ; hostip=128.174.2.3 ; erase=backspace; #name=uxa ; copyfrom=uiucuxa #name=next hostip=192.42.172.1 gateway=1; erase=delete; consoledebug=1; #outputmap=yes; #name=ncsad ; hostip=128.174.10.48 crmap=no From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 22:28:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12179; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:28:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03029; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03023; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:26:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rknG9-00038HC; Fri, 3 Mar 95 22:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laestrad@taz.harding.edu (Luis Estrada) Subject: %% Bcc %% Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:49:18 GMT Message-Id: <3j82su$16o@dns.harding.edu> Hi! Can someone tell me how to keep all of the names from showing up at the top of the message when sending to a distribution list? Also, is there a way in which pine will announce that mail has arrived besides biff y? Thanks, --Luis Estrada -- #=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# # . o c , Luis Estrada __o Costa Rica # # `'#v-- --v#`' Harding Universtiy Box 1901 _`\<, es Pura # # /'> <`\ Searcy, AR 72149-0001 __ (*)/ (*) __ Vida! # #=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 01:06:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16453; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:06:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00173; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:02:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00165; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:02:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkpfd-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 00:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:52:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 2 Mar 1995, Rachid Boukhliq wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 10:05:07 -0800 > From: Rachid Boukhliq > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Best pine for Mac > > > Please tell me what's the latest version of Pine that I can use on a Mac. > Also, how do I subscribe to pine news group? > > Thank you kindly > > \\|// > Rachid Boukhliq (o o) > ==========================================================w===U===w======= > Voice: 1-304-293-1497 Fax:1-304-293-3850 eMail: boukhli@wvnvms.wvnet.edu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 07:43:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24969; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:43:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10308; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:37:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10302; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:37:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkvr8-00038DC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cccdavid@mark.ucdavis.edu (Dave Zavatson) Subject: Re: Changing setup parameters system-wide Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:12:57 GMT Message-Id: <3j7imp$fnf@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: Mary Aplin (aplin@alpha.loyno.edu) wrote: : Hello Pine-Info: : I have what is probably a stupid question; I want the prYnt command to : print to standard unix printer (lpr) by default, for *ALL* users on my : system. What do I do? First look in the source code to see what your global pine config variable is called. By default it is /usr/local/lib/pine.conf The line in the source code can be found in pine/osdep/os-OSTYPE.h Add the line printer=lpr -Pmyprinter or whatever to the pine.conf file and voila! All users' defaults have been now set. : Also, I want to set up an account that will do nothing but forward mail : to other accounts. Does anyone know if I can have multiple addresses in : my .forward file? Absolutely. Or you can create a sendmail alias. --Dave -- ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| |dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu |Ich kann nicht von Dir gehen. Zwei Gefuehle bleiben | | UCD IT Systems Group | stehen: Liebe und Hass, sind sich doch so nah. -ECO| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 07:45:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25042; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:45:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05408; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:42:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05402; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:42:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rkvxh-00038LC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 07:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: an200288@anon.penet.fi (Rheinhardt) Message-Id: <052335Z03031995@anon.penet.fi> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 05:18:46 UTC Subject: URGENT PETITION!!!!! (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 12:50:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01386; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:50:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14419; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:46:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14413; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:46:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl0f3-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jim Subject: how do you delete newsgroups folders? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 02:19:12 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some of my newsgroup folders in Pine 3.91 come up as "does not exist" and I can't delete them. Is there a solution? Thanks for any help. jimmy-yoon@uiowa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 13:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01838; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09614; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:03:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09608; Sat, 4 Mar 95 13:03:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl0vO-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 12:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rancr@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Niparut Chairungruang - RARC) Subject: What's MIME? Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:12:36 GMT Message-Id: <3j7im4$alg@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi Everybody, Have anyone know about MIME program? I think may be mail utility. Could you tell me its information and how to get it? Thank you Un From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 15:33:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04683; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:33:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11241; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:08:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11235; Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:08:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl2me-00038MC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 14:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: almcepud@best.com (Allix & Mickey) Subject: Aggragated folders? Date: 4 Mar 1995 21:57:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jannh$4rf@news1.best.com> Does this function allow PINE to sort incoming email in to specified folders? For example, I would like all of my mailing-list email to go in to a specific folder that is not the INBOX. Is this possible? Please respond via email. Thank you VERY much in advance! The lost one, Mickey -- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} Allison VanDercreek (abeauty) Michael Kappes (OscrDGrch) <@ Allix@almcepud.vip.best.com Mickey@almcepud.vip.best.com @> 8> Puddie the wonder-cat Puddie@almcepud.vip.best.com <8 H --==-- H " "It was the greatest of the imperfect ventriloquist acts: " when his lips moved, her body sang." --Tom Robbins B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} ----------- B^} From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 16:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05430; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16906; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:06:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16900; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:06:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl3lj-00038FC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ashleigh@rain.org () Subject: limits on mailing lists? Date: 4 Mar 1995 23:58:17 GMT Message-Id: <3jauqq$e6k@news.rain.org> Can someone please tell me if there is a limit in PINE to the number of names you can have on a Distribution List, or to the number of Distribution Lists you can have? Ashleigh Brilliant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 16:19:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05520; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:19:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12061; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12055; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:14:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl3nz-00038HC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 16:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com (Atlas Computer Systems) Control: cancel <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> Subject: cancel: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:37:02 GMT Mopping up spam from atlas@alpha.bin-sixx.com. red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 19:22:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09084; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:22:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19347; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:19:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19341; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:19:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl6lE-00038MC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 19:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: msukay@pgh-pg.com Subject: Pine Keymapping problem Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:14:15 GMT Message-Id: <3j7ip7$6dn@hudson.lm.com> I am dialing into a Alpha Server via Procomm Plus. When I am in Procomm Plus the keyboard mapping seems to be fine. But once I'm in PINE I have to use the Esc key for the Control key. Has anyone experience this problem? Please help!!!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:35:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10250; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:35:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15240; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:32:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15234; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:32:18 -0800 Received: from mobius09.math.uwaterloo.ca by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca id <56839-2>; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:32:13 -0500 From: justin wells To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PINE Message-Id: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:32:03 -0500 I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. You should change the name to PINEE, "Pine is not even elm" Justin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:39:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10339; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:39:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15274; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15268; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl7xj-00038QC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Clifford A. Anderson" Subject: Re: Viewing Message without Paging Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:33:08 -0900 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 28 Feb 1995, Tom Sardella wrote: > I have a number of users who use pine on a dialup line with Crosstalk > on a PC. These users like to be able to capture long messages into a file > on the PC. Is there a way in Pine to read messages without having to > pause for each page? These are not Unix people, so I need an easier method > than exporting to a file and then exiting to Unix to "cat" the file. One of pine's printer setup options includes just printing to the screen. That should do exactly what your people want it to do. ______________________________________________________ _________|If con is the |Given that God is infinite, and |_________ \ |opposite of pro, is |that the Universe is also | / \ |congress the opposite|infinite..... would you like a | / \ |of progress? |toasted tea cake? | / \ |------------------------------------------------------| / \ |GCS -d+ H+ s:+ g+ p? !au a- W++++ V++ C++++ UB++++ P+ | / / |L 3+ N+ E K+++ w--- M-- v-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5++ !j R G' tv+| \ / |b+ D+ B-- e+ u* h++ f+ r++ n---- y* | \ / | - PGP key available via finger| \ / |______________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 20:39:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10369; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:39:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20217; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20211; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:34:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl7xv-00038RC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Clifford A. Anderson" Subject: Re: SGI's pine Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:35:31 -0900 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Penio Penev wrote: > This should go to the FAQ. Try Where do I find the FAQ? ______________________________________________________ _________|If con is the |Given that God is infinite, and |_________ \ |opposite of pro, is |that the Universe is also | / \ |congress the opposite|infinite..... would you like a | / \ |of progress? |toasted tea cake? | / \ |------------------------------------------------------| / \ |GCS -d+ H+ s:+ g+ p? !au a- W++++ V++ C++++ UB++++ P+ | / / |L 3+ N+ E K+++ w--- M-- v-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5++ !j R G' tv+| \ / |b+ D+ B-- e+ u* h++ f+ r++ n---- y* | \ / | - PGP key available via finger| \ / |______________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 21:05:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10951; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:05:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15646; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:59:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15640; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:59:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rl8My-00038FC; Sat, 4 Mar 95 20:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Louis I. Burton" Subject: updating distrib list Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:11:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have no problem adding to my address book but when I go to put one of the new address in to my distrib list I can't quite figured out how this is done. I use a speech synthesizer for screen access and that is where my problem lies. Could one of you all give me the keystrokes for updating a distirb list with already exsiting names and how to put a name directly in there? Thanks nuch... Later...Lou And that is all he wrote! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 4 21:56:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11833; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:56:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21273; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:52:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21267; Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:52:29 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA20317; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:51:35 -0800 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom6 To: "Louis I. Burton" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: updating distrib list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Go into your address book with an a. ADd the names you want with the a command. To create a list for the first time, use the s command. You will be prompted for the list's full name, nickname, etc. Once the list is created, you add to it with the z command. You must first cursor to the list you want before typing the z command. Simply enter each nickname, pressing enter after each one. When you're finished, simply press enter and you will be back in your address book. If you're still having trouble with your screen access, write to me privately and I'll try to help you out. Juanita On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Louis I. Burton wrote: > I have no problem adding to my address book but when I go to put one of > the new address in to my distrib list I can't quite figured out how this > is done. > > I use a speech synthesizer for screen access and that is where my problem > lies. Could one of you all give me the keystrokes for updating a distirb > list with already exsiting names and how to put a name directly in there? > > Thanks nuch... > > Later...Lou > And that is all he wrote! > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 00:53:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15145; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:53:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23410; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23404; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:50:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlBvo-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 00:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fyao@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Frank Yao) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 07:20:11 GMT justin wells wrote: > >I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE >user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is >apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your friend replied, 'y'. - frank -- ********************************************************************** * You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic * * you're looking for. - Billy Joel * *************************** Frank Yao, fyao@csclub.uwaterloo.ca ****** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 01:24:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16016; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:24:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23930; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:21:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23924; Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:21:54 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA07398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:21:44 +0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:21:43 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: Allix & Mickey Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Aggragated folders? In-Reply-To: <3jannh$4rf@news1.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 4 Mar 1995, Allix & Mickey wrote: > Does this function allow PINE to sort incoming email in to specified > folders? For example, I would like all of my mailing-list email to go in > to a specific folder that is not the INBOX. Is this possible? Please > respond via email. Thank you VERY much in advance! No, Pine doesn't support filtering. Try to use filter or procmail. -- Kevin Yeung email: keviny@hk.super.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 02:28:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17332; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:28:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19651; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:25:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19645; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:25:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlDRI-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 02:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 08:43:19 GMT In article , Frank Yao wrote: >justin wells wrote: [PINE is] >>apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >>to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. >It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a >mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT >the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your >friend replied, 'y'. Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. Justin -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 03:15:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18427; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:15:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25176; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:11:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25170; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:11:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlE7l-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cne019@dns.nctsl.navy.mil (CAPT T.B. Taylor) Subject: Problem with pine and vi Date: 5 Mar 1995 10:47:16 GMT Message-Id: <3jc4rk$69g@dns.nctsl.navy.mil> I use pine A LOT. It's a great program. The built in editor, pico, is great but limited. So I often use the alternate editor function to use vi. About a week or so ago, this stopped working. When I press ^_ to start the alternate editor, the screen displays a message "invoking alternate editor" and then "read 999 lines" or however many lines are in the file, but then it comes immediately back into pico and redraws my screen. It seems that vi is either starting and then immediately exiting, or not starting at all. The latter seems more likely. No hint of vi ever shows up on the screen. Here's what I've tried so far: -- using various terminal emulators, to make sure I'm really sending a ^_. Same thing happens on all systems. -- rename .exrc in my home directory to run vi without customization. Same thing happens, with or without my .exrc. -- rename .pinerc in my home directory force pine to reconfigure itself. Then make only two config changes in the clean .pinerc: enable alternate editor and editor=vi. Same thing happens. -- in a "clean" .pinerc, enable alternate editor implicitly, to force vi always. When you press return after typing in your subject line, the screen redraws itself and you are returned to where you started, at the end of the subject line. Can't get to the text at all. All other functions of pine work normally, and vi works normally when invoked from my system prompt. My host uses pine 3.91 on a sun. Thank you for your help. CAPT Tim Taylor, USN Email: tim.taylor@ncts.navy.mil Public Affairs Officer Phone: +44-171-514-4251 United States Naval Forces Europe Fax: +44-171-514-4304 London W1Y 2AL, UK http://www.navy.mil/~ttaylor/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 04:30:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20358; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:30:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21275; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:26:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21269; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:26:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlFJK-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 04:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) Subject: Re: PINE Date: 5 Mar 1995 12:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> In <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: | I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. [...] | apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages | to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. Bashing at some piece of software you never used yourself is just too easy. If you have a serious comment on its functionality, you can bring up suggestions here and get a useful discussion out of it. Anyway, I'll try to answer, based on experience working with Pine. Given this specific case, Pine will ask you if you really want to post a followup to the newsgroup, second it will ask if it should reply to all recipients or just to the sender. IMHO these questions leave very little space for making the wrong decision. Actually, I found it very hard to do anything wrong by mistake using Pine. You mentioned Elm: I've been using Elm for years with great pleasure, but I've printed out numerous messages when I wanted to move up the the p)revious message :-) Development of Elm has kind of come to a halt, that's one of the reasons I moved to Pine. Another is that my users kept asking for it; I can mention a few more reasons, but there's no intent here to start a religious war over email user agents. --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin H. Kremer, systems- and network administrator. Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands [WHOIS: ehk3] ----------------------- http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~edwin --------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 05:15:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21319; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26890; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:11:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26884; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:11:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlFzd-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 05:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Where can i get pine for SVR4? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:09:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3i7mai$7ri@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3i7mai$7ri@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> The primary ftp site for Pine is ftp.cac.washington.edu. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On 19 Feb 1995, Mario Garcia wrote: > Date: 19 Feb 1995 14:58:25 GMT > From: Mario Garcia > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Where can i get pine for SVR4? > > > Hi you all, can anybody tell me the best site for ftping pine code for > my at&t unix SVR4 system.? > Thanks. > Mario. > mgarcia@ns.unpma.pa > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 07:04:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23138; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:04:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23001; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:00:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22995; Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:00:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlHip-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 06:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Urs Schuerer Subject: Re: Pine compiled for silicon graphics???? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:51:04 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3g0q07$qo2@abalone.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3g0q07$qo2@abalone.ucsb.edu> Yes, I have one compiled for IRIX-4.0.5F, but at the moment imapd is not working correctly (denies any authentication). If you have problems compiling by yourself (sure you will have them - at least I had them ( (-: ) ), send me a mail. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Urs Schuerer Phone private: +49 89 6514351 | | Gruenwalder Str. 44 / IV. Phone SCALL: +49 1681 1367020| | 81545 Muenchen, Germany Phone office: +49 89 21052660 | | | | Email: root2@lfe.mw.tu-muenchen.de | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On 23 Jan 1995, Joyce Y. Wong wrote: > I am looking for pine compiled for a silicon graphics machine > running irix 4.0 > > Can anyone help me?? > > thanks > > joyce > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 09:25:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25791; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:25:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29777; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:22:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29765; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:22:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlJxP-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 09:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bnovick@netcom.com (Bob Novick) Subject: Pine 3.91 Attachments Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:01:59 GMT I recently upgraded from Pine 3.89 to Pine 3.91 and now have a problem with attachments. When sending or receiving an ascii file attachment it is displayed within the e-mail document itself rather than as an attachment. With 3.89 the file was not displayed in the e-mail document. How can I correct this problem? Bob Novick bnovick@netcom.com -- Bob Novick Impulse Research Los Angeles bnovick@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 14:20:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01895; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:20:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03508; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:14:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CHAPLIN.BBN.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03502; Sun, 5 Mar 95 14:14:25 -0800 Received: from gorilla.bbn.com (GORILLA.BBN.COM [128.89.9.221]) by chaplin.bbn.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11436; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:24 -0500 Received: by gorilla.bbn.com (8.6.9) id RAA14501; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Bikel To: justin wells Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is more user-friendly than a program ASKING the user what it should do? I agree that if pine failed to ask whether a user wanted a newsgroup reply posted, it would have failed in its user-friendliness. As it is, however, the program asked the appropriate question, and if the user was indeed DUMB ENOUGH not to choose Ctrl-G (Get context-sensitive help) when faced with a question he or she did not understand, then there is NO defense a program can take. Are you saying there should be two queries, the first asking what to do, and the second asking "are you SURE"? A user could enter "yes" both times--this is not the solution. Even in the best-designed program, a user can screw him/herself up (just as in everything). I've been using pine for two years, and I think it is an incredibly well-designed program, getting better and more flexible with each new revision. --dB. On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, justin wells wrote: > In article , > Frank Yao wrote: > > >justin wells wrote: > > [PINE is] > >>apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages > >>to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. > > >It's not pine that's stupid, but your friend. Pine is used as both a > >mail and newsreader. When it sees a newsgroup line, it will PROMPT > >the user, and ask if they want to post the article. Obviously, your > >friend replied, 'y'. > > Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can > use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. > Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users > is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge > of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who > have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. > > What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers > spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. > > > Justin > -- > .signature

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Universal Service." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:02:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04197; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:02:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29784; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:56:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29778; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:56:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQ9X-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 15:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:54:57 GMT Message-Id: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. The Pine authors can take one of two approaches to this problem. (1) Say, "If the lusers are too stupid to tell the difference between news and mail, that's not our problem." Or (2) come up with different criteria with which to judge whether something is from news or mail. I think one of these approaches is clearly better than the other. I suggest that when Pine writes a mail message to an folder, it make a note that it is mail and not news, and when it writes a news article to an folder, it make a note that it is news and not mail. One place to put this note is in the X-Status line that Pine uses to tell if a message/article is new, replied-to, etc. Possible X-Status lines could look like: [] New mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: ] Read mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: A] Answered mail or news -- fall back on "Newsgroups" method [X-Status: M] New mail [X-Status: N] New news [X-Status: MR] Read mail [X-Status: NR] Read news [X-Status: MA] Answered mail [X-Status: NA] Answered news I'm sure I've overlooked something (such as backwards compatibility--but X-Status isn't a real header anyway), but I think this is a step in the right direction. If backwards compatibility is important, then introducing an entirely new header (X-Is-This-Mail-Or-News) is a solution. (Of course if the authors of RFC 850 had choosen Article-ID rather than Message-ID, it would have been very easy to tell the difference between mail and news. Too late for that, I suppose.) -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:37:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05163; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:37:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05376; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:31:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05370; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:31:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQf4-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jake Weltzin Subject: use of select (;) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:08:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. I'm using version 3.91. Can I use select (;) in the view index to get delete messages efficiently - or do I have to push 'd' as I scroll thru my index looking for goodies? Ideas for efficiency? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 16:50:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05377; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:50:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00554; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:42:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00548; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:42:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlQqd-00038KC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 16:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jake Weltzin Subject: list of available newsgroups Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:11:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I get a list of other available newsgroups that I can access with Pine 3.91. Thx. Jake From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 19:08:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08913; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:08:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02467; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:05:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02460; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:04:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19616; Sun, 5 Mar 95 19:04:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: ashleigh@rain.org Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: limits on mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <3jauqq$e6k@news.rain.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a limit of 1000 on a single distribution list. I'd forgotten about that until someone recently ran into it and found a bug. There is a limit of 65000 (or something like that) entries in an address book. Both of these limits will be removed in the next version. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 4 Mar 1995 ashleigh@rain.org wrote: > Can someone please tell me if there is a limit in PINE to the number of > names you can have on a Distribution List, or to the number of > Distribution Lists you can have? > > Ashleigh Brilliant > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 20:52:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10923; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:52:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08810; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:47:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08804; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:47:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlUdm-00038DC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 20:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ted Stern Subject: prompt for alternate editor Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems to me that there used to be a prompt for the alternate editor in Pine 3.89, but there isn't now. In other words, when I hit ^_, I used to get something like Edit using alternate editor: emacs with the cursor positioned after the end of the editor name. I really liked this, because it allowed me to switch editors depending on various conditions. It would also be the easiest way to use ispell. But now I just get automatic insertion into the alternate editor. This seems to go against the principle of Pine asking you whether you want to do something unless you explicitly turn that reminder off. Am I missing some feature setting somewhere? -- Ted ============================================================================ Ted Stern (206) 685-9304 Dept. of Applied Math, FS-20 stern@amath.washington.edu University of Washington http://www.amath.washington.edu/~stern/ Seattle, WA 98195 ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 22:37:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13427; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:37:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05136; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:32:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05130; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:32:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlWHj-00038FC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 22:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Doug Brenner) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Date: 5 Mar 95 19:44:49 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: rwockner@netcom.com's message of Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:27:55 GMT We started seeing a similar problem on one our machines since we upgraded to sendmail 8.6.10. Our machine is a RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.5. We are running Pine 3.91. I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report similar problems, so this is only a guess.) Until we can track down the cause, we have been advising people to set their smtp-server variable to one of our SMTP machines. This seems to avoid the problem for now. Since the exact cause of this problem may be specific to your site, you should probably contact your local support staff for more information. In article rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) writes: > As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses > (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of > pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after > the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- > and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. > > rwockner@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:11:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14114; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:11:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10649; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10643; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:07:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlWoU-00038HC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bruce Berris Subject: can't open folder lock message Date: 6 Mar 1995 05:38:13 GMT Message-Id: <3je745$ag1@warp.cris.com> Everything worked fine until I moved my installation to another drive. Now pine v3.89 running on a linux box v1.1.94, gives me a message "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is open by another process". I ran ps and saw nothing using the folder. The help file mentions this problem and suggests another pine is using the mail folder, but this is not the case here. My file permissions seem to be ok. Anyone else tried to move their installation? Thanks for any ideas to fix this. Bruce Berris berris@cris.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:11:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14122; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:11:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10665; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10659; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:16 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04818; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:08:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Matt Messina Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution In-Reply-To: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Matt, I hesitate to perpetuate this thread, since the subject was exhausted previously, but nevertheless: o It's not the unification of mail and news handling that causes the problem you describe; it has to do with lack of consensus on how the newsgroups header should be used. (Ex: when you FORWARD a News msg to someone via mail, should the Newsgroups hdr be included in the 822 header of the mail message? I certainly don't think so, but some folks disagree, and many newsreaders do this, perhaps making the debate moot.) o Your proposed solution is unworkable because the primary problem has to do with message stores (e.g. Inbox) created by other programs, not by Pine. o Pine 3.92 will have improvements in this area. -teg On 5 Mar 1995, Matt Messina wrote: > The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to > be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can > very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. > > This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header > is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news > user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. > > The Pine authors can take one of two approaches to this problem. (1) Say, > "If the lusers are too stupid to tell the difference between news and > mail, that's not our problem." Or (2) come up with different criteria > with which to judge whether something is from news or mail. I think one > of these approaches is clearly better than the other. > > I suggest that when Pine writes a mail message to an folder, it make a > note that it is mail and not news, and when it writes a news article to an > folder, it make a note that it is news and not mail. One place to put > this note is in the X-Status line that Pine uses to tell if a > message/article is new, replied-to, etc. Possible X-Status lines could > look like: > > [] New mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: ] Read mail or news -- fall back on the "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: A] Answered mail or news -- fall back on "Newsgroups" method > [X-Status: M] New mail > [X-Status: N] New news > [X-Status: MR] Read mail > [X-Status: NR] Read news > [X-Status: MA] Answered mail > [X-Status: NA] Answered news > > I'm sure I've overlooked something (such as backwards compatibility--but > X-Status isn't a real header anyway), but I think this is a step in the > right direction. If backwards compatibility is important, then > introducing an entirely new header (X-Is-This-Mail-Or-News) is a solution. > > (Of course if the authors of RFC 850 had choosen Article-ID rather than > Message-ID, it would have been very easy to tell the difference between > mail and news. Too late for that, I suppose.) > -- > Matt Messina > messina@umich.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 5 23:42:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14695; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:42:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05869; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:37:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05863; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:37:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlXL6-00038aC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Matt X. Hunter" Subject: PC-Pine Date: 6 Mar 1995 03:12:30 GMT Message-Id: <3jduiu$sns@umt.umt.edu> I am wondering if PC-Pine can be used in the following situation. A LAN has only one Internet email address on a remote computer. The mutiple people on the LAN would like to read the list of email messages saving locally only those that pertain to them while leaving the rest for the others to read. Can PC-pine store all Internet email messages in one network accessible location and allow individuals on the network to save specific messages from the "spool" to their local machines? Thanks for your time and considerations Matt X. Hunter mathuntr@selway.umt.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 01:00:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16273; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:00:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12041; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:53:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12035; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:53:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlYUl-00038hC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 00:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Auto Forward? Message-Id: References: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:09:49 GMT On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:06:16 +0700, in comp.mail.pine, rancr@mahidol.ac.th (parading as RARC) managed to electronically scribble: % Hi everybody, % I need to go somewhere that I cannot connect to email system for a long % time. I want to forward my all coming mail to my friend. Could pine let me % do this? Please tell me directly if you know. % Thank you very much % Un -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Help stamp out and abolish repetitive redundancy! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 01:38:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17348; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:38:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07415; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:30:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07409; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:30:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlZ2k-00038xC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 01:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 07:44:37 GMT In article <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Matt Messina (messina@engin.umich.edu) wrote: >The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News >to be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated >users can very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news >article. A temporary (and very workable) solution was posted to news.software.readers not long ago. If you use procmail to sort and process your mail, place the following in your .procmailrc as the first recipe: :fhw ^Newsgroups: | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: This will change the Newsgroups: header in any e-mail message that has one to X-Newsgroups:, which will prevent Pine from posting the reply to the group. The more knowledgeable can turn on full headers with 'h' if they want to see this newsgroups line. (BTW, if you're thinking that Pine users couldn't possibly fathom procmail, let me assure you that I can't possibly be the only counter-example. :) Jeff From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 03:11:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19321; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:11:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13601; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:53:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13595; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:53:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlaN2-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 02:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fyao@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Frank Yao) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:17:30 GMT justin wells wrote: >Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can >use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. >Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users >is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal >mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Justin, the message/question that pine asks is clear enough. It runs something to the line of "Do you want to post to the newsgroup?". I'm not sure what the default answer is, but if the user doesn't take the time to read the prompt and just type away, how can you blame the program. It's not that the prompt was ambigious. >Naive users are exactly that: people who don't have in-depth knowledge >of the systems they're using -- that's not stupidity, that's people who >have spent their lives doing other things, probably intelligently. In-depth knowledge? You don't need in-depth knowledge to read a line off the bottom of the screen. It's in the same place that elm would ask whether or not you wish to purge the messages marked delete, etc. >What is stupid is the "the user is an idiot" response that programmers >spew every time their systems fail to meet human needs. In this case, it seems justified. If the user cannot take the time to read the prompt before hitting or entering their reply, who are we to blame? If you have "alias rm 'rm -i -r'" and do a rm * in your home directory, not read the confirmation message, and just 'y', are we to blame 'rm'? - frank -- ********************************************************************** * You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a lunatic * * you're looking for. - Billy Joel * *************************** Frank Yao, fyao@csclub.uwaterloo.ca ****** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 03:12:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19372; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:12:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08607; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:08:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08601; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:08:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlacq-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Subject: Re: Help Pt 1: Getting around newsgroups Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:07:06 +0000 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Try hitting 'I' for index... Hehehe. :) ___ _ _a' /( <. Simon Bradley, Knight Protector! / __><_>._ _ _ ___ ._ _ ~~ _}\ \( _ ) E-mail: syb3@aber.ac.uk \__ \| || ' ' |/ . \| ' | \(._(.)' Finger: syb3@osfb.aber.ac.uk <___/|_||_|_|_|\___/|_|_| ._>. _>. WWW: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~syb3/ On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Edward A. Hunter wrote: > I am in a newsgroup, scanning the index. I find a posting that I want to > look at. I move the highlighter to that posting then command "V" to see it. > Now comes the rub. I want to go from that open posting directly back to > the index. Is there anyway to do this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 04:04:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20929; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:04:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14341; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:59:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from relay1.pipex.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14335; Mon, 6 Mar 95 03:59:13 -0800 Received: from eos.co.uk (actually eos4.eos.co.uk) by flow.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:56:43 +0000 Received: from eos12 ([192.149.121.12]) by eos.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22167; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:04:44 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:53:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Nathan G. Aldridge" X-Sender: earnga@eos12 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Using 'procmail' to serve Pine. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have recently downloaded the 'procmail' mail processing package and successfully got it to work. But, I have had trouble integrating any 'split' mail folders that procmail has created into Pine - it doesn't register that any messages arrive! Could someone who has experience using both give me some pointers. Thanks in advance Nathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan G. Aldridge, Earth Observation Sciences Ltd | EMAIL : earnga@eos.co.uk Farnham, Surrey. UK | nathana@eos.co.uk | Tel: +44 (0) 1252 721444 x 210 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 04:17:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21447; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:17:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14780; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:12:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14774; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:12:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlbab-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 04:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noe@io.org (Noe Zamel) Subject: Mail, News and Folders? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 12:41:14 UNDEFINED Message-Id: Unfortunately, I now have 5 internet accounts and I'm trying to consolodate all my mail on one account. I have one account with POP and IMAP servers so I can forward all my mail to this account and retreive it with a SLIP POP3 client at home and with PINE at the university. However, when I set my inbox to in pine it prompts me for a username and password. I was hoping there is some way I can program PINE to enter my username and password automatically so I don't have to type them every time I check my mail. I also have a similar problem with mail. The account I generally work from at the university doesn't have an NNTP server. I have another account that does have this but if I set up PINE for that NNTP server I am denied access. Is there some way to get pine to enter in a username and password for an NNTP server? Finally, someone told me that you can set up PINE to automatically file new messages from a specific address to a specific folder (i.e. you can automatically save newslist messages to their own folders). Is this true, and if so, how do you do it? Thanks for any help you can give me, Ricardo Zamel University of Toronto From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:27:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23097; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:27:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10559; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10553; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlccG-00038LC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:51:16 GMT In article <3jc9r7$srv@krant.cs.ruu.nl>, Edwin Kremer wrote: >In <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: > > | I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. [...] > | apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages > | to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. > >Bashing at some piece of software you never used yourself is just too >easy. If you have a serious comment on its functionality, you can bring >up suggestions here and get a useful discussion out of it. Well -- this problem has been a topic of discussion in comp.risks and alt.current-events.net-abuse, so I'll take that as pseudo-empirical evidence that PINE is failing a large number of its users, sometimes in ways that seriously compromise their privacy. Worse -- it compromises the privacy of people like me, who don't use it. >You mentioned Elm: I've been using Elm for years with great pleasure, but .. I won't defend Elm. I use it, but I'm rather a technical sort of person and Elm meets my needs. I think the problem with PINE is it is intended for use by naive users, but makes some assumptions that are contrary to the nature of the audience (many naive users don't understand the difference between e-mail and news, for example; or understand the implications of the word "post"). You can call naive users "stupid", but it won't save your product: If you expect your users to be stupid, your product is a failure unless it compensates for stupidity. -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:28:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23123; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15562; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15556; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:18:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlccJ-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:56:46 GMT In article , Frank Yao wrote: >Justin, the message/question that pine asks is clear enough. [...] >In-depth knowledge? You don't need in-depth knowledge to read a line >off the bottom of the screen. [...] Why do people insist on asserting that software is logical and makes sense and is therefore OK, even though it is obviously failing its intended audience? The problem with naive users inadvertently posting private messages to public newsgroups is so widespread that it has been discussed several times in comp.risks and alt.current-events.net-abuse -- it's a clear failure, and no amount of rationalizing will save it. >...It's in the same place that elm would... Elm wasn't designed to be used by naive users. Well, not the same way PINE was. Elm work fine for me not because it doesn't suffer from the same problems as PINE, but because I'm one of the technical users the designers of elm were imagining when they created it (or rather, enough like the designers that the software they designed with no audience analysis works for me.) >In this case, it seems justified. If the user cannot take the time to >read the prompt before hitting or entering their reply, who >are we to blame? If you have "alias rm 'rm -i -r'" and do a rm * in >your home directory, not read the confirmation message, and just 'y', >are we to blame 'rm'? The software is *always* to blame. Really, there's no such thing as "human error" -- that's a crock made up by system designers so that they don't have to fix their software to make it usable. Justin -- .signature

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"One Policy. One System. Universal Service." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 05:41:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23414; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:41:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10681; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10675; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:28:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlckE-00038HC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Auto Forward? Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:59:50 GMT On Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:09:49 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, laniege@eng.auburn.edu (parading as Glenn E. Lanier) managed to electronically scribble: [Nothing] % On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:06:16 +0700, in comp.mail.pine, rancr@mahidol.ac.th % (parading as RARC) managed to electronically scribble: % % I need to go somewhere that I cannot connect to email system for a long % % time. I want to forward my all coming mail to my friend. Could pine let me % % do this? Please tell me directly if you know. Edit the ~/.forward file. Place the friends address on the first line. This should do it, unless your system has special requirements for .forward files. (The CoE network here requires the .forward to be placed in a central directory). -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Hard work never killed anyone but why take the risk? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 09:45:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03240; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:45:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20075; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:28:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20011; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:26:03 -0800 Received: by mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47920; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:25:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:25:41 +0100 (MEZ) From: Ulrike Bantle To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:16:57 +0100 (MEZ) From: Andrea Maertens To: Uli Bantle Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:04 +0100 (MEZ) From: Klaus Borkenstein To: Maertens@mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rania Masri To: wael masri Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ...the word is freedom, and love, friendship and struggle, an expression of individuality ... Real imprisonment is the imposition of silence, and silence is death, decay, or madness. - Sherif Hetata ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:56:17 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Lynn Farha To: Heba Nimr , Laura Leonard , Rania Masri Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE OR GROUP. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: Eric David Fink To: sgs_net@umich.edu Subject: Massacre in Chiapas (fwd) > > > > >We've just recevied an emergency call from friends in Mexico. They tell us > > >that the Mexican army has surrounded the city of San Cristobal in Chiapas, > > >and that the hospital in the nearby city of Comitan is flooded with > > >casualities. The press is being excluded from the area. The people being > > >attacked are the Myan Indians, and other poor farmers, who've been denied > > >and and food since the conquest. > > > > > >They've asked that we try to get word about this out via email. While we > > >have no further information beyond this one call I ask you to pass this > > >message on, or tell anyone you think relevant via any means so that this > > >does not occur in silence. > > > > > >============================ > > >Chuck Goodwin > > >Anthropology > > >University of South Carolina > > >Colubmia SC 29208 > > > (803) 356-6006 > > > (803) 777-0259 (fax) > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 10:18:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04960; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:18:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16081; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16075; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlh9z-00038QC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:29:09 -0800 Message-Id: References: David L Miller writes: >There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. Any plans for one??? Thanks, -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 10:24:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06445; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:24:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21031; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21025; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:08:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlh9g-00038OC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:27:01 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mike Lipscomb writes: >Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. Or frm or nfrm which are part of the elm package. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:04:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09203; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:04:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22941; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:50:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22935; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:50:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlhnv-00038LC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: edwards%teaching.physics@ox.ac.uk (David Edwards) Subject: Re: "pico -w" and long lines Message-Id: <1995Mar6.170639.28941@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <1995Feb11.124954.23177@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <1995Feb19.193938.9282@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <1995Feb22.153442.29188@chemabs.uucp> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:06:39 GMT Larry W. Virden (lwv26@cas.org) wrote: > Note however that if Pico splits the References line at white space, > and starts the second thru nth line with white space, that the lines > need not be joined back together - that's a legit format for a news > header. Unfortunately, it doesn't always. -- _ _ ==========////==================================================== / //// David Edwards: Welcome to the real world... \ || _ _ //// http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~worc0058/ || || \\\\ //// edwards.teaching@physics.oxford.ac.uk || \ \\\X/// dwe101@tower.york.ac.uk Don't believe the hype... / ====\XXX/========================================================= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:15:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10013; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:15:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18178; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:59:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18170; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:59:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlhwi-00038QC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Kolios Subject: Displaying new newsgroups ... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:26:58 GMT I am using pine to read news as well as mail, and I have a question I have not yet figured out. In some newsreaders, when new newsgroups are added to your .newsrc, a prompt appears which asks you whether you want to subscribe to them. Is there a similar feature in pine? How do pine users deal with new newsgroups added (i.e. how do you know they are there) ? I have also seen positngs about FAQs on pine ... where are they ??? Mike ----------------- Michael C. Kolios Dept. Medical Biophysics / Hyperthermia group mkolios@oci.utoronto.ca University of Toronto (416) 924-0671 x5201 "Pan Metron Ariston" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 11:55:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13021; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:55:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24516; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:41:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24510; Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:41:17 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA25676; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Alt_editor lost? To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are still using 3.89 due to limitations on our compilation machine. Recently, the ^_ command has ceased to be recognised...."unrecognised command" it says :( Where might I check in the source to see that I haven't removed something stupidly. The debugs show that I have enable-alternate-editor-cmd and that I have an editor defined, but still....command not recognised...I'm confused. B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 12:16:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14193; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:16:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25300; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:09:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25294; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:09:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlj2N-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Message-Id: <17359115D5S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:45:23 GMT In article Nancy McGough writes: >Someone on the Pine team posted quite a while ago that a future release >of Pine will make it more clear to the user what the 3 options are >(post only, mail only, post & mail) and have the default be mail only. >In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or >any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only >messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a >private email message. Please do not post it." Since, as you say, the problem is that the respondent does not understand what the various options mean, I don't see how this is going to help. This problem needs fixing, urgently, by technical means. Appealing to (I'm sorry) clueless newbies to behave properly is not even a temporary solution, I'm afraid. You may find this difficult to believe, but some people who have been using email successfully for years have no idea what Usenet is, and would not understand the meaning of the word "post" in this sense at all. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 12:55:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15939; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:55:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20971; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:39:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20965; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:39:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljTl-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 6 Mar 1995 09:19:51 -0801 Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (justin wells) writes: >I don't use PINE, but already I don't like it. Some e-mail I sent to a PINE >user was just inadvertantly posted, by them, to a newsgroup because PINE is >apparently stupid enough to assume its users want to post e-mail messages >to newsgroups when the original was a reply to a newsgroup message. This issue has been discussed to death on comp.mail.pine and comp.mail.headers so I'll try to keep this short. I agree with Justin that Pine's interface and behaviour is wrong in this case. But I also understand where the Pine team is coming from. The Newsgroups header in a news article is well defined - it means this article was posted to the specified newsgroup(s), but in a mail msg the Newsgroups header is not well defined (I don't think it's discussed in RFC 822). Since Pine is both a mailer and a newsreader they interpret headers to mean the union of the meanings of headers for mail (RFC 822) and news (RFC 1036). So, Pine interprets a Newsgroups header as meaning that the msg was posted and then Pine asks the user if she wants to post, mail, or post and mail her response. Problems arise because many newsreaders, including the ubiquitous trn, tin, and nn, put a Newsgroups header in msgs that were mailed only. Now, this is not necessarily wrong on the part of trn, tin, and nn since they are adding an undefined header to mail messages, but in retrospect it would have been better if these newsreaders had used a different header, maybe something like "X-Originated-In-Newsgroups". So, technically Pine is behaving reasonably but IN PRACTICE Pine's behaviour is not reasonable. Someone on the Pine team posted quite a while ago that a future release of Pine will make it more clear to the user what the 3 options are (post only, mail only, post & mail) and have the default be mail only. In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a private email message. Please do not post it." Hope this is helpful, Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 13:08:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16983; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:08:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26310; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:54:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26303; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:54:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljlo-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 6 Mar 1995 19:10:50 GMT Message-Id: <3jfmnq$m5p@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > A temporary (and very workable) solution was posted to > news.software.readers not long ago. If you use procmail to sort > and process your mail, place the following in your .procmailrc as > the first recipe: > >:fhw >^Newsgroups: >| formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: > > This will change the Newsgroups: header in any e-mail message that > has one to X-Newsgroups:, which will prevent Pine from posting the > reply to the group. The more knowledgeable can turn on full > headers with 'h' if they want to see this newsgroups line. Another possiblility is this procmail recipe: :0 fhw * !^Message-Id:.*Pine * ^Newsgroups: | formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: which only changes the Newsgroups header in non-Pine messages. Since a Newsgroups header in a Pine message means that the message was indeed posted, it's ok for Pine to ask about posting responses to these messages. -Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 13:12:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17199; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:12:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21431; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:02:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21425; Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:02:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rljqr-00038RC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:58:58 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Mar 1995, Nancy McGough wrote: > Date: 6 Mar 1995 08:29:09 -0800 > From: Nancy McGough > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Best pine for Mac > > David L Miller writes: > >There is not currently a port of Pine to the Mac. > > Any plans for one??? > We are starting to get quite a few requests, but we do not have any funding to pursue a Mac port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 14:23:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20061; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:23:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28781; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:09:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28775; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:09:51 -0800 Received: from INNOSOFT.COM by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HNTH2EOA4Q96W551@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 06 Mar 1995 14:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: Problem with WinPine not updating INBOX In-Reply-To: <3jfesb$r4g@netnet2.netnet.net> To: Philip Nelson Cc: INFO-PMDF@Ymir.Claremont.Edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Philip Nelson wrote: > I have been trying to get Windows Pine to work with the latest PMDF > IMAP server. Everything is working except for the automatic updates > to the INBOX. If I delete a message in the INBOX and eXpunge the > INBOX will be updated but if left to the automatic 5 min. updates > nothing happens.. Pressing ^L will flash the * in the upper left > corner indicating network access but no update will occur. Has > anyone been able to get this to work correctly? > this is the known behavior for current versions of client (Pine or ECSmail) and server (PMDF IMAP). Basically to get at new mail messages in VMS MAIL, the server has to close the folder, and reopens it again. This is an expensive operation which when done automatically every 2.5 minutes on a large mailbox with hundreds or thousands of messages is not very "friendly". Pine does not close or reopens the folder explicitly, and the IMAP server does not do it implicitly. So the folder is not updated. Currently if you eXpunge the folder, then the server is forced to reopen it so you do get the new messages. (this will still be true in the future) Techincally, let's say I had 177 messages in my inbox, and 64 of which are NEW (RECENT or unread) when I opened it from Pine. Then I got a new message. On Pine, I pushed the down arrow at the last message, and Pine issues the NOOP command, to which PMDF's IMAP server responds with the number of RECENT (unread) messages, and the number of messages in the folder as * 177 EXISTS * 65 RECENT the number of EXISTS messages is not changed because the server's internal state of the folder is not changed. The number of RECENT messages is something the server got from the VMS MAIL's newmail count, which is a separately obtainable without having to close/reopen the folder. Apparently the answer is not enough to trigger Pine to know there are new messages. I would imagine Pine will be updated to use the CHECK command when the user forces a new mail check. PMDF's IMAP server is updated in the next version of PMDF to close and reopens the folder when the CHECK command is received. /portia portia@innosoft.com Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax 1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 14:47:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21186; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:47:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24478; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:37:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24472; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:37:41 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:37:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 06:37:05 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Alan J Flavell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) In-Reply-To: <17359115D5S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Alan J Flavell wrote: > You may find this difficult to believe, but some people who have > been using email successfully for years have no idea what Usenet > is, and would not understand the meaning of the word "post" in > this sense at all. As was stated in various replies, the next release will attempt to correct the preceived problem. Just curious, do you think a newbie or an unelightened email user would understand: "Your message is being posted for thousands to read, do your want this?" Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 15:38:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24582; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:38:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02060; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:30:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02054; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:30:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlmCU-00038dC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:24:02 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: > The authors of Pine thought it would be a good thing for Mail and News to > be treated the same way. One result of this is that uninitiated users can > very easily post a followup article to a mail reply to a news article. > > This is because Pine assumes that everything that has a Newsgroups header > is a news article. Anyone who has spent any time studying various news > user agents knows that this is not a valid assumption. What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in which the message belongs. The problem is that various news user agents sometimes use that header for a completely different purpose. The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is certainly going to be the last. In such agents, it is normal to have a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport system and others received through the news transport system. It is unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are "news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret any given header field. The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 17:29:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00138; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:29:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01252; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:14:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01246; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:14:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlnqN-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Amy Lauderdale Subject: Re: PINE Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:19:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > and Elm meets my needs. I think the problem with PINE is it is intended for > use by naive users, but makes some assumptions that are contrary to the > nature of the audience (many naive users don't understand the difference > between e-mail and news, for example; or understand the implications of > the word "post"). > > You can call naive users "stupid", but it won't save your product: If you > expect your users to be stupid, your product is a failure unless it > compensates for stupidity. I just have to jump in on this discussion. Pine is fantastic. It has been a lifesaver in teaching newcomers how to use email. I started out last year with unix mail and it was so hard for me, who had never used computers at all. Pine was so much simpler, and yes, it is for naive newbies. This year I have helped many new teachers and students on internet learn to use pine. It is a wonderful program. Specifically, as several others have pointed out, it asks you if you want to post to the newsgroup. That is pretty plain for even the most naive. But just in case it's not, pine also warns you, "posted message may go to thousands of readers. post it?" Surely anyone, if not sure what that means, would say no, if not intending to send it to thousands of folks.... It seems to me, that you have been embarrassed by someone's "accidental" post to a newsgroup (maybe it was intentional?)....and are taking it out on the makers of pine. Something new users around here are often warned about is that email is NOT totally private. Once you send something, it may end up anywhere, and you should consider that when you send it. I not only love pine, but I love this newsgroup, because up until this thread, it has been one of the most pleasant flame-free newsgroups I have had a chance to read. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 17:36:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00332; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:36:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06192; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:21:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06186; Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:21:23 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA23989; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:39:43 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00376; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:27:20 +0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:27:20 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503062327.AA00376@wizard> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tips: Windows PC-Pine hangs, and Unknown Host X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1186 Thought I'd pass on a couple solution that I encountered while installing PC-Pine under windows and with PCNFS: Running under DOS with PCNFS: Problem: Unknown Host I have managed to get PC-Pine for PCNFS to run under DOS, it was unable to locate the remote host but I freed up some main memory - it now has 5603k and it works fine (thanks to Clinton Bittel). Running under Windows with winsock.dll: Problem: Hangs opening INBOX Unfortunately, the Windows winsock version will not run. It hangs while trying to open INBOX. I upgraded the winsock.dll to Dec. 25, 1993 24576B and it no longer hangs. You may want to try a more recent version, but I've got to worry about whether it will work with my sqllink drivers. Cheers, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 19:30:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03705; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:30:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08047; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:24:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08041; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:24:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlppR-00038KC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 19:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 7 Mar 1995 02:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jgfsl$44a@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In John Gardiner Myers writes: >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects... >It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. I see four questionable assumptions here: 1. The meaning of the Newsgroups: header according to RFC 1036 applies to email. 2. News and email are fundamentally the same thing. 3. It is reasonable that software should discard useful out-of-band information. 4. Established practice means nothing. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 6 20:13:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04905; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:13:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03901; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:10:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03895; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:10:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlqa8-00038nC; Mon, 6 Mar 95 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Jesus M. Arias Jr" Subject: PC PINE or WINPINE Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:38:41 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get a copy of these programs? Does anyone have the FTP site and path handy? - zeus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 00:17:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10409; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:17:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12123; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:10:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12117; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:10:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rluJw-00038KC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Shannon.Adams@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Shannon Ray Adams) Subject: Ascii Art Newgroup? Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:41:09 GMT Message-Id: <3jga35$pgs@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> I am looking for someone to draw a picture of my company logo in ASCII. This will be used .sig. Any takers? Is there an appropriate newsgroup to post this? Please respond e-mail as I don't read this newsgroup often. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 01:11:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12062; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:11:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08039; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:05:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08033; Tue, 7 Mar 95 01:05:54 -0800 Received: by qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at (5.0/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id AA22486; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:05:12 --100 From: wolfgang@qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at (Wolfgang Schuller) Message-Id: <9503070905.AA22486@qhepu1.oeaw.ac.at> Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:05:11 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 21 subscribe pine-info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 02:51:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14167; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09289; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:39:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09283; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:39:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlwXi-00038yC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 02:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corton@maine.mainelink.net (JC) Subject: Needed :Autoreply Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:24:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jgn6k$s5s@maine.mainelink.net> We are a local ISP running BSDI UNIX and Pine 3.89. We are looking for a way to autoreply to requests for information, with the ability to capture the incoming addresses for future follow up. Three questions 1) what is the best program out there to do the process, and 2)does pine have a function to do this that we are missing. 3)is the source code available in case we want to hack somthing slightly different ourselves? as always e-mail appreciated, over posts, but either will do. Thanks -- ############# ########## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ####### ########## Jim "Call Corton" Corton Internet Maine and Century 21 Balfour, Portland, Maine Representing both buyers and sellers, but not at the same time. e-mail corton@mainelink.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 03:20:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14886; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:20:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14675; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:13:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14669; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:13:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlx7u-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: geoholt@netcom.com (George Holt) Subject: Re: Error with Distribution list over 20 Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:35:50 GMT Rex Wockner (rwockner@netcom.com) wrote: : Pine lets you make mailing lists. : For months I have used pine in the same way and now suddenly it is : sending error messages. : I have pine mailing lists for friends. Some have only 10 names on them, : some have perhaps 80. : When I use pine in this way, I send the message to myself and bcc the : mailing list I have created--inserting the name of my list and letting : pine then insert all the addresses. : For the past 2 days whenever I bcc more than about 20 addresses, pine : gives me a "bus error" or "memory fault" error. : This error appears between the "sending message" and "message sent" : notations. : And even though it does finally say "message sent," in fact the messages : are not being sent. No one has received them and I have not received the : copy to myself. : The only way to stop this, is to return to pine and bcc no more than 15 : or 20 people. : Pine always worked fine before with larger numbers of bcc's. : Please help. : rwockner@netcom.com : -- : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- : Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- : Life is short. Have an adventure today. : -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I see that you are on Netcom. I have the exact same problem. I have 9 distribution lists of 90 names each. Since Mid December I have been using the lists to send my stock report each market day without major problems. Starting last thursday I began getting inquiries as to "what happened to the report??" . Since I run batch files I was not aware of the error messages until tonight. I ran the lists one at a time and each time got either a "memory fault" or a "bus error" message. I called Netcom earlier this evening and was told to try the NUGLOPS Pine "Vers 3.91" They also suggested that I get on the Netcom computer with the lightest load. I tried this without success, so I aclled back. I was told that someone who is failiar with Pine will call me back tommorrow. Like you, I am able to send small lists without problem. -- George Holt geoholt@netcom.com Holt Report ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ge/geoholt/holt_rpt.htm Archive gopher://wuecon.wustl.edu:671/11/holt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 03:59:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15743; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:59:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10171; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:52:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10165; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:52:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlxdF-000393C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 03:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sean Neylon Subject: Please help me??? Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:49:11 +1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thankyou for reading my mail... O.K. I wish to establish a .sig I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? a bit of info.. Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... using ".sig" (or something similar) is that the right command,,or what should I have here.. Please,,, please someone be kind enough to email me.. saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au And please remember I am a newbie...and I mean a newbie.. So real basic language please.. I appreciate anyone who trys to asisst me... Thankyou for taking interest, Sean Neylon..... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 04:27:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17058; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:27:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15727; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:16:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15721; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:16:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rly6k-00039BC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gdunning@uoguelph.ca (Galen A Dunning) Subject: how to get told about mail in unix Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:25:35 GMT Message-Id: <3jg5lf$aep@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> I know some people get told in unix that they have unread mail, and I was just wondering how to do this. I assume it has something to do with configuring pine, but I am not sure. Thanks for any help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 04:42:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17391; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:42:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10937; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:36:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10931; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:36:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlySg-00038zC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:19:22 GMT Message-Id: <3jgqcq$h82@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> In news.software.readers, nancym@ii.com (Nancy McGough) writes: >In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or >any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only >messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a >private email message. Please do not post it." Or to delete the Newsgroups: header prior to mailing the response. That would be the only foolproof method, right? Indeed, I might just make that patch to my already customized tin. Remove inclusion of the Newsgroups: header, but include the References: header. That and get it to stop automatically including Followup-To: headers that have the same contents of the Newsgroups: header. And... well, I'm rambling now. -- ----' gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) ------, ,-|-, "Some say he's the devil himself." "I heard he was _ ----' '-' a giant chicken!" -- Highlander Boo: The Chickening d b CC From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 05:09:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18436; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:09:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16309; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:56:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16295; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:56:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rlyjv-00038KC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 04:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sysop@mome-raths.iac.net (March Hare) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: <2f5b509f.4d4f4d45@mome-raths.iac.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 13:12:47 -0500 References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: : Bzzt. You lose. PINE is supposed to be a system that naive users can : use, and this is exactly the kind of error a naive user is going to make. : Any system that fails to meet the expected needs of its expected users : is a failure. PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? What is it that you think programmers do, anyhow? I'm not going to say that all aspects of PINE are just peachy-keen, but I know a lot of non-programmers that use it all of the time. Your argument, therefore, falls very very flat. John -- Mome Raths BBS sevot yhtils eht dna ,gillirb sawT` ^. .^ (513)523-7887 ebaw eht ni elbmig dna eryg diD ( @ ) Oxford, Ohio ,sevogorob eht erew ysmim llA .ebargtuo shtar emom eht dnA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 05:46:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19430; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:46:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11928; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:40:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from woolf.individual.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11922; Tue, 7 Mar 95 05:40:51 -0800 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA12950; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:38:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: Adam J Weitzman To: March Hare Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: <2f5b509f.4d4f4d45@mome-raths.iac.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, March Hare wrote: > Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: > : PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If > programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? Design people maybe? I'm a programmer, and honestly, I couldn't distinguish a good UI from a bad one to save my life. I know what *I* like, but what I like and what works for everybody are, more often than not, two somewhat different things. The best programs are the ones that combine both. I think Pine does a very admirable job in this respect (its handling of the Newsgroups header notwithstanding), because I like it, *and* the non-technical people here like it. I think one way to "fix" the Newsgroups problem is to allow disabling of the news-posting capability altogether when I compile the program. (Is this already possible?) That would at least cut down on its size *and* circumvent this confusion entirely. Force the user to use a different package to post news. That's what I would like to do when/if I install Pine 3.91 here for general consumption. I disagree with Justin's point, but I can see very clearly where it comes from. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 06:40:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20875; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:40:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12623; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:25:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from noc.ns.itd.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12617; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:25:44 -0800 Received: from miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu (miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu [192.231.253.15]) by noc.ns.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15738 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:23:59 -0500 Received: (natalies@localhost) by miketv.ns.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA24950; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:25:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Svaan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine collection folders and procmail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone had any trouble getting procmail to work after setting up collection-folders in Pine to organize your mail? +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ Natalie Svaan Network Operations Center Computer Systems Consultant ITD Network Systems natalies@umich.edu University of Michigan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 07:03:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21373; Tue, 7 Mar 95 07:03:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18097; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:57:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18091; Tue, 7 Mar 95 06:57:43 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15741; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:56:55 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rm0hA-0013EVC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:57 EST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber X-Sender: vev@garnet.msen.com To: Adam J Weitzman Cc: March Hare , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, March Hare wrote: > > > Once upon a time, justin wells (rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) in was overhead by the Queen of Hearts: > > : PINE was probably designed by programmers -- a fatal > > : mistake in a system that is meant to be used by non-programmers. > > > > Well, I could at least see your point up until that last one. If > > programmers aren't supposed to design it, then who is? > > Design people maybe? > > I'm a programmer, and honestly, I couldn't distinguish a good UI from a > bad one to save my life. I know what *I* like, but what I like and what > works for everybody are, more often than not, two somewhat different > things. The best programs are the ones that combine both. I think Pine > does a very admirable job in this respect (its handling of the Newsgroups > header notwithstanding), because I like it, *and* the non-technical people > here like it. > > I think one way to "fix" the Newsgroups problem is to allow disabling of > the news-posting capability altogether when I compile the program. (Is > this already possible?) That would at least cut down on its size *and* > circumvent this confusion entirely. Force the user to use a different > package to post news. That's what I would like to do when/if I install > Pine 3.91 here for general consumption. > > I disagree with Justin's point, but I can see very clearly where it comes > from. > > - Adam J Weitzman > Individual, Inc. > weitzman@individual.com > "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie > I wouldn't want to see it as a compile time option, but could see it disabled as a default, and one would have to enable it thru setup. But in the interim, I liked someone else's suggestion of post, mail, both or however it was actually worded. Vince. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 08:22:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23988; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:22:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19622; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:16:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [168.166.0.67] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19616; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:16:23 -0800 Received: by services (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02586; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:13:14 +0600 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:13:13 -0600 (CST) From: James Proffer To: Sean Neylon Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Please help me??? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 779 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Sean Neylon wrote: > > I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. > It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. > > So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig > > > Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. > > What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? > Try renaming .sig to .signature. That should do what you want. Missouri State Data Center <*>James Proffer: UNIX sysadm The Source for Missouri State | Phone: (314) 751-1544 Fax: (314) 751-3299 Government Information | Internet: jproffer@services.state.mo.us Gopher: TBA | jproffer@mail.more.net WWW: http://www.ecodev.state.mo.us/mohome.htm From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28818; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16896; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:25:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16889; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:25:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm2w7-000395C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PC_PINE/WATTCP.CFG hangs trying to open INBOX - help! Date: 7 Mar 1995 11:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3ji2jl$2k4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using DOS 5.0 and the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. ncsa telnet works fine, so does ftp. The name server on the network seems to be functioning properly -- at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, the network seems to be ok. Having failed also with CONFIG.TEL, I'm trying to use WATTCP.CFG. PC_PINE hangs trying to open the INBOX. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Here is my PINERC and WATTCP.CFG. I hope you can see a problem. Thanks for your time. Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com 813-388-4441 ======BEGIN WATTCP.CFG======= # # Waterloo TCP/IP configuration file (used by PC-Pine) # # The IP Address of your PC my_ip=204.199.126.3 # IP address of the gateway on your PC's subnet gateway=204.199.126.1 # The subnet mask appropriate for your PC's subnet netmask=255.255.255.0 # IP address of name servers (DNS) used by your PC # If more than one (a good idea), list each individually nameserver=204.199.126.2 #nameserver=128.95.120.1 # List of domain suffixes added to host names before # sent to DNS server. Allows you to place the commonly # typed, ending portions of hostnames here, and then # automatically appends them to host names used in PC-Pine. domainslist=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us =======END WATTCP.CFG========= ===========Begin PINERC======== # Updated by Pine(tm) 3.91, copyright 1989-1993 University of Washington. # # Pine configuration file -- customize as needed. # # This file sets the configuration options used by Pine and PC-Pine. If you # are using Pine on a Unix system, there may be a system-wide configuration # file which sets the defaults for these variables. There are comments in # this file to explain each variable, but if you have questions about # specific settings see the section on configuration options in the Pine # notes. On Unix, run pine -conf to see how system defaults have been set. # For variables that accept multiple values, list elements are separated # by commas. A line beginning with a space or tab is considered to be a # continuation of the previous line. For a variable to be unset its value # must be blank. To set a variable to the empty string its value should # be "". You can override system defaults by setting a variable to the # empty string. Switch variables are set to either "yes" or "no", and # default to "no". # Lines beginning with "#" are comments, and ignored by Pine. ########################### Essential Parameters ########################### # Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine. personal-name=Don Hayward # Your login/e-mail user name user-id=don # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail. user-domain=marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. #smtp-server=204.199.126.2 smtp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading. #nntp-server=204.199.126.2 nntp-server=isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us # Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. ={mail.somewhere.edu}inbox # Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER). inbox-path={isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}INBOX ###################### Collections, Folders, and Files ##################### # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. ={host2}inbox, {host3}inbox # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path incoming-folders= # List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is # the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[] # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[] folder-collections=Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections=Main {204.199.126.2}mail/[], Desktop c:\mail\[] # folder-collections= # List, only needed if nntp-server not set, or news is on a different host # than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[] # Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[] news-collections= # Over-rides default path for sent-mail folder, e.g. =old-mail (using first # folder collection dir) or ={host2}sent-mail or ="" (to suppress saving). # Default: sent-mail (Unix) or SENTMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection. default-fcc= # Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =pm (which uses # first folder collection dir) or ={host4}pm (using home dir on host4). # Default: postponed-mail (Unix) or POSTPONE.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn. postponed-folder= # If set, specifies where already-read messages will be moved upon quitting. read-message-folder= # Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature signature-file=c:\dons\pine.sig # List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s). # Default: none # Syntax: optnl-label path-name global-address-book=LAB-ADDRESSES {isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us}/root/.addressbook # List of file or path names for personal addressbook(s). # Default: ~/.addressbook (Unix) or \PINE\ADDRBOOK (PC) # Syntax: optnl-label path-name address-book=c:\dons\addrbook ############################### Preferences ################################ # List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set. # e.g. feature-list= select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom # Default condition for all of the features is no-. feature-list=auto-move-read-msgs, auto-open-next-unread # Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v) initial-keystroke-list= # Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages default-composer-hdrs= # Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing customized-hdrs= # Determines default folder name for Saves... # Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used. # Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC). saved-msg-name-rule= # Determines default name for Fcc... # Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used. # Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=" variable.) fcc-name-rule= # Sets presentation order of messages in Index. Choices: # subject, from, arrival, date, size. Default: "arrival". sort-key= # Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort, # fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname # Default: "fullname-with-lists-last". addrbook-sort-rule= # Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII. # Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9). character-set= # Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer, # or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature. editor=e # Program to view images (e.g. GIF or TIFF attachments). image-viewer= # If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only) use-only-domain-name= ########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ########## # Your printer selection printer= # Special print command if it isn't one of the standard printers personal-print-command= # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=95.3 # Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message. last-version-used=3.91 # Full path and name of NEWSRC file newsrc-path= # Extension used for local folder names (".MTX" by default). folder-extension= # Choose: black,blue,green,cyan,red,magenta,yellow,or white (CAPS=BLINKING). normal-foreground-color=green normal-background-color=black reverse-foreground-color=black reverse-background-color=green ===============End PINERC========= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:49:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29210; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:49:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23089; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23083; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:40:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm3CW-00038LC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu (Christopher Davis ) Subject: forwarding mail to newsgroups Message-Id: Date: 6 Mar 95 21:20:44 GMT Does anyone know how to forward a mail message to a newsgroup? Thanks in advance. Chris -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Chris Davis + I am Pentium of Borg. + + Georgetown University + Division is futile. + + davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu + You will be approximated. + From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 09:57:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29719; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:57:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18208; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:52:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18202; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:52:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm3Ns-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bmckinne@viking.dvc.edu (Brian McKinney) Subject: Mailing to Newsgroups from Pine Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:11:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3ji43c$931@viking.dvc.edu> Now that the decwrl.dec.com gateway from Pine to newsgroups has been closed, are there any other gateways from Pine to newsgroups? (Asked another way, is it possible to mail to newsgroups from Pine and, if so how do you do it, please?) -- Brian McKinney | "Famous: Conspicuously miserable." Diablo Valley College | (Written before Di and O.J.) Ambrose Bierce From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 10:18:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00530; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:18:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23776; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23764; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:09:22 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA00889; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:10:26 -0800 Received: from A3-13 by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24783; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:10:24 +0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:06:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq To: MMLDHaywar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PC_PINE/WATTCP.CFG hangs trying to open INBOX - help! X-Sender: david@trex In-Reply-To: <3ji2jl$2k4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 904 On 7 Mar 1995, MMLDHaywar wrote: > > I'm using DOS 5.0 and the ncsa packet driver for ne2000. ncsa telnet > works fine, > so does ftp. The name server on the network seems to be functioning > properly -- > at least ftp uses it, and nslookup works. So, the network seems to be ok. > > PC-Pine Hangs trying to open INBOX This happened to me, although with different network drivers, my solution was to make room in main memory. Shoot for 560k Good luck, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 10:46:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01794; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:46:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19396; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19390; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:38:29 -0800 Received: by udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA24576; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:47:40 CST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: Beto_Del_Valle To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:37:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04997; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:37:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26474; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:21:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nsipo.arc.nasa.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26446; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:21:06 -0800 Received: by nsipo.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.10/1.5) id LAA05875; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:21:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony Villasenor - NSI Program Manager To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: BCC ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being blind-carbon-copied on the message. An example of such a warning label would be: -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- Thanks, Tony Villasenor From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:40:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05083; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:40:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21985; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21979; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:27:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4py-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cwolfshe@goober.mbhs.edu (Chad Wolfsheimer) Subject: Success on VAX/VMS? Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:22:02 GMT Message-Id: <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> -- ___ _ ____ ___ _ __ / _ )(_)__/ / |/ /__ (_)__ / /____ ____ / _ / / _ / /|_/ / -_) (_- Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05311; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:45:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27137; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27131; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:22:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4lp-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rogers@eagle.sangamon.edu (Bill Rogers) Subject: 3.91 and dld.sl on HP-ux??? Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:49:14 GMT Message-Id: <3ji6aq$4lm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Got the archive from HP repository, compile and install work fine, but first time I try to compose a note: /lib/dld.sl: Unresolved symbol: vtinit (code) from bin/pinebin and it dies a horrible death????? I played with the TERMIO defs in os-hpp.h but the default is as good as it gets. Left it the default. using hp-ux 9.04 and dld.sl: SMART_BIND Revision 1.126 This looks like it should be a very simple problem to fix, HELP!!!!! Thanks, Bill -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> Bill Rogers, Assistant Director for Academic Computing Services <> <> Sangamon State University, HSB-115 <> <> Springfield, Il 62794-9243 fax:217-786-7188 <> <> Internet:rogers@eagle.sangamon.edu voice:217-786-7352(Mon.->Fri.) <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 11:51:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05643; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:51:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27384; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:33:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27378; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:33:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm4vV-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vermil@zeus.franklin.edu (Robert Vermilyer) Subject: Looking for binary Message-Id: <1995Mar7.182603.4980@zeus.franklin.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:26:03 GMT Does anyone know where I can find a binary for a VAX3300 running ultrix? Bob Vermilyer -- Bob Vermilyer vermil@franklin.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 12:38:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07745; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:38:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23482; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23476; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm5m4-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Pritchard Subject: FAQ and/or PINE for DG/UX Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:50:35 GMT Message-Id: <3jg74b$jnd@insosf1.infonet.net> I am looking for the PINE FAQ, which will hopefully tell me what PINE is all available on and where the binaries are, or if someone might direct me where I might find it for Data General Unix (DG/UX), would be greatly appreciated... Thanks John Pritchard Catalyst Solutions pritchj@netins.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 12:42:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07934; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:42:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28912; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:31:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28906; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:31:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm5q3-00038QC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 12:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: drolick@ccnet.com (David Olick) Subject: Pine attachment help Date: 7 Mar 1995 19:25:32 GMT Message-Id: <3jibvc$1fe@ccnet.ccnet.com> I was sent a message with a gif file "attached." I can't seem to separate the gif file from the message or make my gif reader recognize the result. A "V" with a save and a filename does not seem to create a useable file. It seems to save the message and the binary file. Do I need to use the same reader that the sender used? Any suggestions? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 15:53:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17618; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:53:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04063; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:36:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04055; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:36:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm8mL-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sang@unixg.ubc.ca (The Love Monkey!) Subject: HOW DO YOU "TALK"...sob... Date: 7 Mar 1995 23:01:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jiol0$o3b@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Someone told me that you could get into the cofig function and enable a talk function. I have looked and looked. I cannot find it. I am on the edge of a complete and utter emotional break-down. I am so lost. Can anyone out there help me? Please. Sang (lost in Canada) :( From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 16:06:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18318; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:06:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28715; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28709; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:35:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm8i9-00038MC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 15:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dazed@xs4all.nl (Mike Schenk) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 7 Mar 1995 22:20:52 GMT Message-Id: <3jim84$kuh@news.xs4all.nl> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> John Gardiner Myers writes in comp.mail.headers,news.software.readers,comp.mail.pine: >messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. The problem is that various news user >agents sometimes use that header for a completely different purpose. > >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. > >Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is >certainly going to be the last. In such agents, it is normal to have >a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >system and others received through the news transport system. It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. > >The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. >User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a >meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. Ignoring whether or not your solution is desirable, it certainly is not feasible in practice and therefore cannot be a correct solution. Mike From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 16:54:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20223; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:54:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00649; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:48:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00643; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:48:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rm9oq-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Re: Way to check for new mail Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:30:47 -0600 Message-Id: <3jitrn$2gu@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> References: [ Nancy McGough wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ] -> Mike Lipscomb writes: -> >Also, if you are running Unix you can use the "from" command. -> -> Or frm or nfrm which are part of the elm package. Try "frm -t -n -v" Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:07:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21272; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:07:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05971; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:52:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05965; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:52:02 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16630; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:44:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:49:22 -0500 Message-Id: <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine for VMS X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" I'm having some difficulty installing PINE 3.91 on a dec. alpha (VMS). I can't figure out how to define the "folder-collections" correctly so that PINE looks in the right place for folders. Does anyone know the correct syntax? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:34:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22049; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:34:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01654; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01648; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmASk-00038QC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Success on VAX/VMS? Message-Id: <1735A13C1CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:28:29 GMT In article <3ji88a$quu@mvhs1.mbhs.edu> cwolfshe@goober.mbhs.edu (Chad Wolfsheimer) writes: > (sig deleted for brevity ;-) The answer is yes, in conjunction with a fix emailed by Yehavi. If you want more detail, try this: http://d1.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22268; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06900; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06894; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:27:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmAUB-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bill@bill.fp.trw.com Subject: Help with PCPINE-Winsock Date: 6 Mar 1995 02:07:36 GMT Message-Id: <3jdqp9$q58@dailyplanet.fp.trw.com> I am trying to get PCPINE for Winsock up and running with the Internet in a Box software. I have read and reread the PINE documentation but am missing something. I cannot find a way to open the remote inbox. I have tried many variations in the configuration file. Any suggestions? Bill Gehrke bill@bill.fp.trw.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 17:59:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23033; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:59:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02126; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:51:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02120; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:51:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmArG-00038gC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: forwarding mail to newsgroups Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:10:27 GMT On 6 Mar 95 21:20:44 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, davisc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu (parading as Christopher Davis) managed to electronically scribble: % Does anyone know how to forward a mail message to a newsgroup? % Thanks in advance. Just f for forward, ^R for rich header, enter the newsgroup name on the newsgroup line. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 92 Days - 132651 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | United States of America: CONNECT 4 July 1776, NO CARRIER 8 Nov 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 19:02:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25223; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:02:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08417; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:52:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08411; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:52:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmBn4-00038TC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmg@pentagon.io.com (David) Subject: HELP: Setting distribution for news posted with pine? Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:02:10 -0600 Message-Id: <3jie42$t6s@pentagon.io.com> How does Pine determine the distribution of messages posted to usenet? This isn't exaclty an _IO_ question. I am posting from pine at another site, but the posts only show up in newsgroups at that site, not here or anywhere else. I tried adding "Distribution:" as a customized header, but pine is stripping it from the outgoing messages. It doesn't strip X-Headers, however. Any information is appreciated. -- David dmg@io.com -- ---David M Girardot-----dmg@io.com------http://www.io.com/~dmg------------- - "It is a foolish constituency of little mimes. " ------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 19:54:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26410; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:54:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03874; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:38:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03868; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:38:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCVB-00038kC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: j_chivas@vcc7.vcc.bc.ca (Jim Chivas ***) Subject: Fax software and PINE Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:54:24 GMT Message-Id: <3ji340$i6d@vcc7.vcc.bc.ca> Greetings: I would like to get some information on Unix FAX software. I am looking for either commercial or shareware fax software that either runs standalone or can be accessed thru Pine. My user wants to be able to e-mail and fax people hopefully by entering their fax address in the Pine address book. Can anyone shed some light on available software or ideas? Thanks Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:07:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26796; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:07:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09135; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:42:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09129; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:42:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCbd-00038kC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ncherry@unixg.ubc.ca (nancy lynn cherry) Subject: why does pine return messages to sender Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:20:48 GMT Message-Id: <3ji860$mr1@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> when people e-mail me the message is automatically returned to them. i do wget a copy of the message, but my friends keep telling me to fix my account because it bugs them. if you know how to fix this problem please e-mail me with the answer. THANKS. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:14:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26933; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:14:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04142; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:57:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04136; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:57:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmCos-000391C; Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:09:39 GMT I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with John Stanley about anything, let alone RFC compliance, but, well, there you go. In article <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >In article , >John Gardiner Myers wrote: > >>The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >>is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >>thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >>placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. > >The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be >evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. >If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? Precisely. Even though news and mail are, at a technical level, extremely similar messaging systems, those who use them tend to treat them as oil and water. It is imperative that the tools used to handle mail and news be capable of making an equally strong distinction; even though the user may want to do many similar things to both media, it can be catastrophic to confuse one for the other. >>In such agents, it is normal to have >>a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >>system and others received through the news transport system. It is >>unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >>"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >>any given header field. > >That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can >remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this >thing, I'll bet it's news.") Of course. It is not beyond imagining that perhaps the Pine client could insert a header into each message describing its original (and therefore default) disposition -- a PINE-Status header, if you will, describing whether the message originated from news or mail (or some other source). In fact, the mail agent I currently use, MM, does rather a similar thing in order to keep store MM-specific concepts in a Berkeley-format mailbox. And, oh! by some miracle of coincidence, one of the co-authors of MM was Mark Crispin! Fancy that. -- Unsolicited commercial electronic mail sent to this address will be proofread at a cost of $200/hour (one half-hour minimum). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:18:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27070; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:18:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09513; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:09:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09507; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:09:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmD0D-00038WC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 01:08:13 GMT Message-Id: <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article , John Gardiner Myers wrote: Oh, goody. Here we go, again. >What Pine is assuming is that the Newsgroups: header has the meaning >defined in RFC 1036--that it lists the newsgroup or newsgroups in >which the message belongs. Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. In a mail message, "Newsgroups" is undefined. It has NO meaning. At worst, it has ONLY the meaning the agent who puts it in wants it to have. Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. >The primary difference between news and mail, their transport systems, >is but an implementation detail. The two are fundamentally the same >thing and manipulate the same objects, modulo differing requirements >placed on the set of headers by the transport systems. The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? You may use them for the same thing, and that is fine. I don't care if you drive screws with a hammer, but that doesn't make a screwdriver and a hammer fundamentally the same thing. >Pine is hardly the first user agent to combine news and mail, it is >certainly going to be the last. I hope so. At least, any that DO follow would do well to learn from Pine's mistakes and know which headers are defined and which aren't. >In such agents, it is normal to have >a folder containing some messages received through the mail transport >system and others received through the news transport system. It is >unreasonable to expect such systems to detect which messages are >"news" and which are "mail" in order to figure out how to interpret >any given header field. That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for mail, it really does need to know which is which. >The correct solution is to not make field-names context sensitive. >User agents should not create Newsgroups: headers that do not have a >meaning other than that defined by RFC 1036 or its successors. Mail user agents are not bound by news user agent RFC. It would be nice if "newsgroups" headers didn't show up in anything but news, but they do and will continue to do so until someone goes to every site in the world and replaces the software there. Are you volunteering? What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 20:46:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28155; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:46:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04860; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:43:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04854; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:43:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmDXB-00038HC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 20:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rob@sunrae.uel.ac.uk (Rob Smith) Subject: Getting mail from Novell Date: 7 Mar 1995 07:59:07 GMT Message-Id: <3jh3ob$6qh@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> I wonder if anybody can help me at all, At present I am running Linux on a 486 on our university network All my mail is stored onto a novell server (3.12) that is running POP3 Now I know in the FAQ it said that Pine was not using POP but at a later date it might, Has anyone managed to do this, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks for taking time to read this message of hope! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 22:12:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00254; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11276; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:07:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11270; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:07:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmEtX-00038cC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:01:59 GMT Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jfmnq$m5p@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough wrote: >Another possiblility is this procmail recipe: > >:0 fhw >* !^Message-Id:.*Pine >* ^Newsgroups: >| formail -R Newsgroups: X-Newsgroups: > >which only changes the Newsgroups header in non-Pine messages. Since >a Newsgroups header in a Pine message means that the message was >indeed posted, it's ok for Pine to ask about posting responses to >these messages. Unless RFC 822 *prohibits* the word "Pine" from appearing in a Message-ID of a non-Pine message, this recipe makes use of an invalid assumption. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 7 22:43:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00977; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:43:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06410; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:38:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06404; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:38:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmFKf-00038XC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 22:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: u3302099@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Salarin Kongsma - RAMD - 3302099 ) Subject: Need Help.... Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:58:15 GMT Message-Id: <3jhsa7$lh@mars.mahidol.ac.th> hello... i want to know how to send gif and what program i need for sending it..do u know about it? if u do...help me PLEASE thank you so much :) :) :) puff... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 00:40:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03908; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:40:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13289; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:34:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13283; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:34:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmH95-00038QC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 00:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: seldon@eskimo.com (Will Mengarini) Subject: Re: how to get told about mail in unix Message-Id: References: <3jg5lf$aep@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:22:39 GMT gdunning@uoguelph.ca (Galen A Dunning) writes: >I know some people get told in unix that they have unread mail, and I was >just wondering how to do this. I assume it has something to do with >configuring pine, but I am not sure. Thanks for any help. No, they're using biff. Type "man biff". The Jargon File can explain the etymology of the name. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 03:05:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07857; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:05:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09926; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:57:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09920; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:57:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmJPy-00038cC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hessa@acf2.nyu.edu (Andrew J. Hess) Subject: Re: can't open folder lock message Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:32:19 GMT Message-Id: <3jfdej$qc9@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3je745$ag1@warp.cris.com> I had a similar experience when I logged on without quiting pine beforehand. One of the messages gave a process number, and when I typed "kill (number)" from the unix prompt, I was able to use pine normally again. Ps didn't show the process for me, either. Wow. I can give advice! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Andrew Hess American Language Institute, hessa@acf2.nyu.edu New York University - http:www/nyu/edu/pages/hess/cities.html City University of NY Bruce Berris (berris@cris.com) wrote: : Everything worked fine until I moved my installation to another drive. : Now pine v3.89 running on a linux box v1.1.94, gives me a message : "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is : open by another process". I ran ps and saw nothing using the folder. : The help file mentions this problem and suggests another pine is using : the mail folder, but this is not the case here. My file permissions : seem to be ok. Anyone else tried to move their installation? : Thanks for any ideas to fix this. : Bruce Berris : berris@cris.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:07:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10029; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:07:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16069; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:57:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16063; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:57:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmKMK-00038gC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tomc@pinn.net (Tom Cole) Subject: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine Date: 8 Mar 1995 02:24:51 GMT Message-Id: <3jj4hj$hb0@everest.pinn.net> I would like to know the correct way to read this type of ASCII text file into the body of a email message----I use (Pine 3.91). When I put (^R) read rather long files inside Pine it gets to be a pain to have to move the cursor to the beginning of the text file and do a ^J format (justify) all the way down to eliminate word wrap, double spaces, control characters, etc. Is there a better way to do this? TIA, Thomas S. Cole "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" INTERNET ADDRESS: tomc@pinn.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:53:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11240; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:53:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11588; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:44:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11582; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:44:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmL49-00038hC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gt6161c@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher Ryan Sidi) Subject: How to automatically expire listserv mail? Date: 7 Mar 1995 18:55:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3jirou$k6@acmey.gatech.edu> Hi, I asked alt.config to make alt.alumni.nc-school-s+m for students who went to the North Carolina School of Science & Math for 11th and 12th grade. Well, they told me "no" and a listserv was the way to go. Is there another option besides a Newsgroup, listserv, WWW newsgroup? If I go with listserv and GaTech and NCCSM won't do the listserv, is there a site that will support it? I know procmail and filter can send the mail off to certain folders. Can one get a listserv to act like a newsgroup in pine? Can one set up something that automatically deletes listserv messages if read, too old, or the file gets too big? Can we get Pine to not show read messages? Or can we fool a news reader into thinking a listserv is a newsgroup? Thanks....ListServ seems like a crappy choice for a "social" group, Chris -- Christopher Ryan Sidi ---> I'm looking for a cool co-op job <--- 36161 Georgia Tech Station ---> that involves EE & CS work! <--- Atlanta,GA 30332 (404)206-1456 home:(704)875-2292 gt6161c@prism.gatech.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:56:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11293; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:56:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17059; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17053; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmLBE-00038KC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Pine for VMS Message-Id: <1735BA889S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:59:01 GMT In article <95030719492276@aurora.liunet.edu> lray@aurora.liunet.edu writes: >I'm having some difficulty installing PINE 3.91 on a dec. alpha (VMS). >I can't figure out how to define the "folder-collections" correctly so >that PINE looks in the right place for folders. Does anyone know the >correct syntax? If you are talking about Yehavi's port of PINE for VMS, from HUJI, then please look for the file README.VMS and follow its instructions. You'll need to get a couple of things right - default-fcc is another. Read my other followup (posted yesterday) if you want more detail. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 04:59:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11399; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:59:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11719; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11713; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:52:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmLCY-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cool Hacker Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:53:12 GMT > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > > An example of such a warning label would be: > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > > > Thanks, > > Tony Villasenor I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place duh!!! Why not use CC [0m-- [7mThe above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain. [0m [7m \\\/// [0m / _ _ \ [7m (| (.)(.) |) [0m+---------------------oOOo- () -oOOo---------------------------------+ [7m......| |......................................POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY. [0m......| |.............__ ....__......................... Computer Eng. [7m......| |.\ /\.. | \.../ ..| |...__.......................... 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[7m \ ( ( ) [0m \_) ) / [7m (_/ [0m From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:09:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11906; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:09:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11781; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:58:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from is1.hk.super.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11775; Wed, 8 Mar 95 04:58:53 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA23583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:58:46 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:58:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung To: "Andrew J. Hess" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: can't open folder lock message In-Reply-To: <3jfdej$qc9@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 6 Mar 1995, Andrew J. Hess wrote: > I had a similar experience when I logged on without quiting pine > beforehand. One of the messages gave a process number, and when I typed > "kill (number)" from the unix prompt, I was able to use pine normally > again. Ps didn't show the process for me, either. Try "ps agux|grep " instead. Hope this helps. -- Kevin Yeung email: keviny@hk.super.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:12:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12044; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:12:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17291; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:06:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17285; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:06:52 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA04907 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:06:50 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA13435; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:05:19 EST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Cool Hacker wrote: > > > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > > > > An example of such a warning label would be: > > > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > > > I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place duh!!! > > Why not use CC > WADR, I think the point is that, where there is a need for BCC, there is a need for the BCC recipients to know that the TOs and CCs don't know that the BCCs have a copy. A couple of reasons we use BCC are: - Don't was TOs and CCs to know about the BCCs for CYA reasons - Don't want to provide a list of email contacts besides sender and limited CCs. If it is really important that the BCCs know they are being blind copied, we forward a copy of the message TO them, prepending a note explaining that the following message was sent... and they are being provided with a blind copy. VTR Don sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 05:50:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13085; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:50:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12482; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:40:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12474; Wed, 8 Mar 95 05:39:56 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA13533; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:38:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BCC ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Cool Hacker wrote: > >=20 > > Is there any way to attach a warning label for BCC messages, to > > alert the receiver? Currently, there is no such warning, and > > the receiver may not "catch' the fact that he/she is being > > blind-carbon-copied on the message. > >=20 > > An example of such a warning label would be: > >=20 > > -------------- BLIND CARBON COPY MESSAGE ------------- > >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Tony Villasenor > I thought that that's the whole purpose of haing Bcc in the first place d= uh!!! >=20 > Why not use CC I think that warning was ment for BCC receivers, not for those who are at= =20 To: list. I would like to know if it is possible, too. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:49:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17307; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:49:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19608; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:26:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19602; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:26:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmNY6-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: vman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (J. Wagner) Subject: Unseen mail appearing Date: 7 Mar 1995 21:12:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3jjeci$dou@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Today when I opened a previous read mail in Pine and went to reply to the sender..I noticed that in the body of the message at the bottom was a new piece of mail that didn't appear when I opened the "inbox" folder to check for new mail. This is really strange...I wasn't able to see this new piece of mail until I chose r to reply to sender and then chose to keep the senders message in the body of my reply. Any ideas? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:54:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17590; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:54:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14557; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:43:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14551; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:43:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmNqq-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tritech@technet.sg (TriTech Microelectronics) Subject: IMAPD Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:19:48 GMT Message-Id: <3jh8fk$l4t@raffles.technet.sg> I trying to set up an imap server on a SUN running SUNOS 4.1.X. I got the file imapd-bin.sun.Z from ftp.cac.washington.edu. I change the /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf to get the daemon running at port 143, but it doesn't work. What can be the reason? Please help! Thanks. - Ang From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:56:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17780; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:56:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14453; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:37:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14447; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:37:57 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA03511; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:39:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:39:17 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: No control key on keyboard Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Pine-Info: I saw this question on the list a couple of weeks ago, but don't remember seeing a response. I apololgize for re-posting it: I have users who are using a Mac Plus with no control key. Is there an alternate keystroke? Thanks, Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 07:58:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17899; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:58:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19879; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:38:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19865; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:38:22 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA12466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:38:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:38:15 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Malformed news posting Message-Id: A user of pine 3.91 on our system has got automated messages from a site in Chicago claiming his usenet posts have malformed headers for followup messages. We don't know what the problem is. Unusual factors: Our news system has had history file problems, and disk full problems. Because of the disk full problem, the messages that ended up getting this warning were postponed and then continued before posting. Could the postponing lose the information that the posting is a followup? I wonder why no one else is getting the same automated message. No one else postpones and retries? No one else tells us? Unknown. Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu The username here has been altered to aaa999, the real name has been omitted, and the text of the usenet post has been removed. --------------- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: aaa999@columbia.edu To: Tim Pierce Subject: Re: Your malformed news posting in Message-Id: Tim: I'm forwarding this on to our system administrators. [further text of this message omitted] On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > [The following is a purely generic email message; you should not > receive more than one copy of this posting per week.] > > Hm... I see you got mail from me about this before, but it's been over a > week since the last one, and the problem seems to be an ongoing one, so I > (or rather, my mindless perlbot) thought maybe you could use a reminder. > > You have just posted a message (quoted below for the sake of > reference) using a newsreader that generates incorrect message > headers. In particular, your followup did not contain a proper > References: header field (see below). While I realize that this was > almost certainly unintentional on your part, it is still a severe > burden, because it causes all threaded newsreaders to misbehave by > making your article show up as a strange, out-of-sequence, > non-threaded subject. > > You should also be aware that because your news message was malformed, > there may be gateways and transport agents out there that DROP IT ON > THE FLOOR! For example, the INN program, a very popular transport > agent, has code in it which will do this if enabled. Your messages > may be lost! > > If you manually deleted the References: line when editing, perhaps > from Pnews or postnews, then please stop. Otherwise, please contact > your news administrator or service provider and carefully explain to > them that they need to upgrade or otherwise fix the broken software > they're having you use. (Many BBS systems and well-known "commercial" > service providers are currently doing this wrong.) > > Considering how much news traffic there is, anything we can do to make > it easier to read (or not read) articles would seem worthwhile. This > message is meant to educate, not intimidate. If you have any > questions regarding just what the devil I'm talking about, or perhaps > have some input about how to make this message more informative and > friendly, please feel free to send me direct email. > > thanks, > T. > > ps: In case you (or your service provider) aren't aware of what I'm > talking about, the RFC (Internet standards doc) governing this is > 1036, which is now seven years old. I quote: > > If the article is submitted in response to another article > (e.g., is a "followup") the default subject should begin with > the four characters "Re: " and the References line is > required. > > AND > > [References] is required for all follow-up articles, and > forbidden when a new subject is raised. > > Original message follows: > > > Xref: uchinews soc.motss:245498 > > Path: uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!news.columbia.edu!inibara.cc.columbia.edu!aaa999 > > From: aaa999@columbia.edu> > > Newsgroups: soc.motss > > Subject: Re: GREG LOUGANIS AND 20/20 > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:40:08 -0500 > > Organization: Columbia University > > Lines: 97 > > Message-ID: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: inibara.cc.columbia.edu > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > X-Sender: aaa999@inibara.cc.columbia.edu > > In-Reply-To: > > > > I've found the negative disussions in this thread very curious and > > unsettling. > > [ remaining text of article deleted-- just plain ascii ] > > > -- > Tim Pierce > Systems Programmer, University of Chicago > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 08:24:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19369; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:24:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20707; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:14:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uucp13.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20701; Wed, 8 Mar 95 08:14:19 -0800 Received: by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.9/SMI-4.1) id IAA16646; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:04:22 -0800 Received: from speedy.CHS by chs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05090; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:01:35 MST Received: by speedy.CHS (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00696; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:01:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:01:45 -0700 From: suehaf@CHS.chs.com (Hafezzadeh) Message-Id: <9503081601.AA00696@speedy.CHS> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: wyse50 terminal and pine Cc: pine@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hello, all We have installed pine 3.91 on our SunOS4.1.x and it runs great. The only problem is when we try to run it on a pc with the wyse50 terminal emulator or on a wyse50 terminal using the unix host, the look of pine changes. The arrow keys don't work properly and some other problem as well. Is pine not suppose to work with the wyse50 terminal emulator and if not is there a way around it. Thanks so much for any respond.... -Sue From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 09:19:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23509; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:19:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22355; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:08:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22349; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:08:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmPB3-00038KC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mjdoran@cml.com (mjdoran) Subject: Removing a KILLFILE Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:58:15 GMT Message-Id: <3jg7in$d7b@news.compulink.com> Hi, I'm looking for info on how I would go about removing a Killfile. 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My user wants to be able > to e-mail and fax people hopefully by entering their fax address in the Pine > address book. > Can anyone shed some light on available software or ideas? > > Thanks > Jim > I'm a happy fxvision customer. Very nice. I've never tried to use it with Pine, though. J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:04:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29685; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:04:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19831; Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:54:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19825; Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:54:28 -0800 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Jan95-8.2MPM) id AA15236; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:52:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:52:54 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Pollock Subject: Re: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine To: Tom Cole Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3jj4hj$hb0@everest.pinn.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can think of a couple of things to try. Format the document with margins narrow enough to avoid triggering the word wrap function. Save the document as DOS text (this may leave you with double line spacing) before you insert the document into your message, and avoid the control and formatting characters (your message implied to me that you were working with the document in WP format). After you insert the document, postpone the message. My recollection is that when you resume a postponed document, you are placed at the beginning of the message. Joe Pollock The Evergreen State College On 8 Mar 1995, Tom Cole wrote: > I would like to know the correct way to read this type of ASCII text file > into the body of a email message----I use (Pine 3.91). > > When I put (^R) read rather long files inside Pine it gets to be a pain > to have to move the cursor to the beginning of the text file and do a ^J > format (justify) all the way down to eliminate word wrap, double spaces, > control characters, etc. > > Is there a better way to do this? > > TIA, > Thomas S. Cole > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" > INTERNET ADDRESS: tomc@pinn.net > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:10:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00444; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:10:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20028; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:00:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20012; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:00:42 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA11734; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:01:38 -0800 Received: from A3-13 by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02388; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:01:37 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Remote folders empty X-Sender: david@trex Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 749 I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but they are displayed as empty lists. If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:14:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00685; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:14:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25783; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:03:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25775; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:03:20 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA15472 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:03:17 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA17280; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:01:51 EST Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Joe Pollock wrote: > > After you insert the document, postpone the message. My recollection is > that when you resume a postponed document, you are placed at the > beginning of the message. > You can skip this step. Just use ^W^Y to position to beginning fo file while composing. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 11:56:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02900; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:56:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27148; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:47:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27142; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:47:22 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA02740; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:45:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: wyse50 terminal and pine To: Hafezzadeh Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9503081601.AA00696@speedy.CHS> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Hafezzadeh wrote: > Hello, all > We have installed pine 3.91 on our SunOS4.1.x and it runs great. The only > problem is when we try to run it on a pc with the wyse50 terminal emulator or > on a wyse50 terminal using the unix host, the look of pine changes. The arrow > keys don't work properly and some other problem as well. Is pine not suppose > to work with the wyse50 terminal emulator and if not is there a way around it. > > Thanks so much for any respond.... I got this from someone else...but maybe someone might consider adding it to the FAQ -------------------------------------------cut here---------------------- #!/bin/sh wpinesetup(){ echo "\nSetting up Wyse arrow and function keys..." # Next/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r \0177\c" echo "\033Z1w-\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\04\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\013\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\033[A\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\033[B\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\033[C\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\033[D\0177\c" echo "Done\n" } wpinereset() { echo "\nResetting standard Wyse arrow/function keys..." #t/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r\0177\c" echo "\033Z1w\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\0177\c" echo "Done.\n" } if [ "$TERM" != "wyse50" ] then pine1 $* clear exit fi trap wpinereset 0 1 2 3 15 wpinesetup pine1 $* wpinereset clear exit B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 12:28:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04667; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:28:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22064; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:09:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22058; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:09:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmS1L-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Cool Hacker Subject: Re: Please help me??? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:49:45 GMT > > Thankyou for reading my mail... > > O.K. I wish to establish a .sig > > I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. > It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. > > So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig > > > Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. > > What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? > > > a bit of info.. > > Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... > > using ".sig" (or something similar) > > is that the right command,,or what should I have here.. > > > Please,,, please someone be kind enough to email me.. > > saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au > > And please remember I am a newbie...and I mean a newbie.. > So real basic language please.. > > I appreciate anyone who trys to asisst me... > > Thankyou for taking interest, > > Sean Neylon..... > > mv .sig to .signature in your homedirectory [0m-- [7mThe above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain. 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[7m \ ( ( ) [0m \_) ) / [7m (_/ [0m From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 12:40:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05268; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:40:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28255; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:25:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28249; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:25:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSAs-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:22:02 GMT Message-Id: <3jjiea$71c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Terry Gray wrote: > o It's not the unification of mail and news handling that causes the > problem you describe; it has to do with lack of consensus on how the > newsgroups header should be used. (Ex: when you FORWARD a News msg to > someone via mail, should the Newsgroups hdr be included in the 822 header > of the mail message? I certainly don't think so, but some folks > disagree, and many newsreaders do this, perhaps making the debate moot.) Should it be? Probably not. But the relevent question is, "Is it prohibited?" > o Your proposed solution is unworkable because the primary problem has > to do with message stores (e.g. Inbox) created by other programs, not by > Pine. In those cases, fall back upon the "Newsgroups method." Or preferably, a header that is less likely to occur in a mail message. (How about Path?) > o Pine 3.92 will have improvements in this area. Good. Now if my admins would just upgrade from 3.87... -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 13:11:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07268; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:11:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23042; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:44:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23036; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:44:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSSZ-00038OC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Unseen mail appearing Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:37:24 GMT Message-Id: <3jjjb4$765@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jjeci$dou@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> J. Wagner wrote: >Today when I opened a previous read mail in Pine and went to reply to the >sender..I noticed that in the body of the message at the bottom was a new >piece of mail that didn't appear when I opened the "inbox" folder to This is probably a problem with your mail server. It could be inserting extra characters at the beginning of the second message ("new piece" above) which cause Pine (IMAP, whoever does the work at that point) to not recognize the beginning of a message. The second message is seen as part of the first message. I can't solve your problem, but if you tell your admins about it, maybe they can. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 13:14:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07439; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:14:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28951; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:48:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28945; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:48:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmSdt-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 12:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dan Cwiertniewicz Subject: Design Information Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:17 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wayne State University is considering using Pine as its mail agent for the entire student population (30000). If there are other universities that have done this, we'd like to know about your experiences. Feel free to email me directly, or post here. Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 14:13:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10403; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:13:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25547; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:45:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25541; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:45:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmTP7-00038hC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: PC_PINE-packet driver-NE2000 any successes ? Date: 8 Mar 1995 09:42:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3jkfoe$hhi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> If you have had success using the ncsa packet driver and NE2000 NIC with PC_PINE, please let me know. I would appreciate seeing your pinerc file and your wattcp.cfg or config.tel file, whichever you are using, as well as an idea of the free conventional ram your running it under.. I have not been able to get them to work together. I suspect it cannot be done and I'm going to have to find another NIC. This is sad as we already own several NE2000 type cards. BTW --- on the same machine, all the same hardware, running linux, pine works very well, going to the same IMAP server. I wish I could stay in linux. But I'm trying to set up a system for about 20 DOS/Windows users and I need a solution for that side. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 15:42:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15497; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:42:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04071; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:12:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04065; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:12:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmUlp-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cc56056@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Clayton ) Subject: Re: Remote folders empty Date: 8 Mar 1995 22:07:37 GMT Message-Id: <3jl9r9$g27@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) writes: >I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to >folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names >are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but >they are displayed as empty lists. >If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? I don't have any ideas, as I have the same trouble, posted here, and got the most audible silent response I've ever experienced. I've written the Pine development team (see reporting bugs in the docs), but only got an automated response from their machine saying they did receive the message. If no one here has any idea what's going on, I'd send them another email so they don't chalk it up to MY stupidity... - Chris -- "I am more than the sum of my email!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 15:43:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15555; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:43:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04583; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04575; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmV9w-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: Can't post to news (INN) Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:57:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3jl27c$l52@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I'm using PINE3.91 under linux 1.0.9. I am able to select a newsgroup for reading (although there are no items in it). I then try to post. The following sequence appears in the pine-debug file. IMAP 13:19 3/8 mm_log babble: isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4 20-Mar-93 ready (posting ok). done. Post failed, continuing ------------------------- I tried inews -h on the server. It returned the message "Warning Can't connect to server -- Article will be spooled" Nothing appeared in syslog ------------------------------- I did telnet 119 -- then mode reader -- then post, got an OK then entered the headers, a body, and then ^D -- (several) -- nothing happened - then I got a 503 timeout. syslog had a message from nnrpd about a timeout. I put the server into the hosts.nntp, no change. nnrp.access has Read Post for our domain. Any suggestions? Thanks Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:04:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16999; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28936; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:44:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28930; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:44:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmVIT-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: distribution list question Message-Id: References: <3ijfig$2tk@mark.ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:37:46 GMT On 24 Feb 1995 02:16:48 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, ez045354@chip.ucdavis.edu (parading as Mitchell Allen) managed to electronically scribble: % is there any way to send mail to a distribution list without having the % entire list print out in the header of the message? i have a couple of % long distribution lists and i would rather just have the alias in the % header than pages of names proceeding the message. i don't know if this % is a common question or not, but i did not see any reference to it in the % current postings, nor have i found any information through man pages, etc. You could ^R in the header (for rich header) and then on the Bcc: (Blind Copy) line, put your list alias. This will send mail to all people on list, but will not show who gets it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131124 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to Save | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:17:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18011; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:17:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29452; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from pepvax.pepperdine.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29446; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:04:23 -0800 Received: by pepvax.pepperdine.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Pep-5.1) id AA24217 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:04:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: Queen Bee Reply-To: Queen Bee Subject: more on locked folders To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I also got the "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then "folder is : open by another process" message. I didn't have any problems getting the process id, but nothing happened when I typed "kill (number)" and I ended up waiting a week for the system to kill the process. What happened? queen bee From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 16:29:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18540; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:29:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28429; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28423; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:29:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmV3b-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: continuing problem Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:40:23 GMT On 25 Feb 1995 10:39:31 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (parading as mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) managed to electronically scribble: % Blair McNabb email: mcnabbgb@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca % Edmonton, AB, T5A 1V6 % the lines above this message showing my name and e-mail etc keep showing % up on my compose e-mail screen. i have tried everything that i can think % of and nothing works. i cannot find a file that this line may have % origionally be from. how ever every e-mail i send has this line stuck in % place of the text i type. can you please help with more than the % outomated answer. I have tried things it suggests with no luck % regards blair mcnabb Do an ls -a | more There will be a file called .sig, .Sig, .Signature, .signature, or something close. rm .filename This will take care of that. Alternatively, you can edit the .pinerc file and remove the reference to above file. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131120 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | How do I set my Laser printer to "Stun"? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:03:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20020; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:03:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06650; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:32:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06642; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:32:05 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04569; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:31:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David Dumaresq Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Remote folders empty In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David, It would be helpful if you included the folder-collections entry from your pinerc to complement your problem description. -teg On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > I'm using the winsock version of pine and adding remote folders to > folder-collections, I'm also enabling expanded folders. The folder names > are displayed with their optional titles and designation as remote but > they are displayed as empty lists. > > If I goto these folders they come up normally. Any ideas? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca > Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 > Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 > > "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:13:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20918; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:13:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01027; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:58:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01011; Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:58:38 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA15625; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:59:38 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00650; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:38 +0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:38 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503090144.AA00650@wizard> To: gray@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Remote folders empty Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1487 > David, > It would be helpful if you included the folder-collections entry from your > pinerc to complement your problem description. > > -teg Sure, here we go... folder-collections=mail\[], {trex}/trex2/david/.folder/WWW/[] feature-list=enable-mail-check-cue, enable-full-header-cmd, expanded-view-of-addressbooks, expanded-view-of-folders, include-text-in-reply, signature-at-bottom, enable-bounce-cmd, enable-flag-cmd Here is the expanded view of folders: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Folder-collection ** Default for Saves ** (Local) ------------------------------------------------------------------ INBOX SAVEMAIL SENTMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------ Folder-collection (Remote) ------------------------------------------------------------------ [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] Let me know if you need anything else. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:26:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21283; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:26:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08063; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:17:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08057; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:17:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWeY-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:47:04 GMT In article , John Gardiner Myers wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > >> Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. > >Using the same field-name as a header defined in RFC 1036 for a >completely different purpose than defined in that document is an >extremely bad idea. It is the root cause of this problem. That's ridiculous, since the context in which the "Newsgroups" header is being used is electronic mail. The mail standards don't define any "Newsgroups" header at all, so any agent which ascribes meaning to that header in a mail message is playing a dangerous game. Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one commonly in use. It makes Pine the Humpty Dumpty of mail agents. >Just because a practice is widely deployed does not make it correct or >desirable. It is not going to be feasable to build/maintain a Maginot >line between "news" objects and "mail" objects, a practice of using >the same field-names to mean completely different things in the two >contexts is going to cause many more problems than just the one being >complained about in this thread. You may be right. But we're stuck with it anyway, and obstinately insisting that it's a bad idea doesn't change the fact that we have to deal with it in a practical manner. Pine doesn't. -- Unsolicited commercial electronic mail sent to this address will be proofread at a cost of $200/hour (one half-hour minimum). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:32:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21509; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:32:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01744; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01738; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWtT-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jmarchet@psg.com (James R. Marchetti, II) Subject: Where can I get??? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:20:04 GMT If anyone knows an FTP site where I can obtain Pine for Windows, I would appreciate some mail as to the location. Thanks, jmarchet@tyrell.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 17:36:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21603; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:36:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08205; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08199; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:24:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmWvN-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noe@io.org (Noe Zamel) Subject: Can password be saved? Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:57:31 UNDEFINED Message-Id: I was hoping someone out there could tell me how to get PINE to save my username and password for a remote IMAP system so that I don't have to enter it each time I load pine. Thanks, Ricardo Zamel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 18:07:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22651; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:07:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08778; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:56:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08772; Wed, 8 Mar 95 17:56:09 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa15093; 8 Mar 95 20:56 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA26028; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:56:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:56:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Tim Pierce Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Tim Pierce wrote: > > That's ridiculous, since the context in which the > "Newsgroups" header is being used is electronic mail. The > mail standards don't define any "Newsgroups" header at all, > so any agent which ascribes meaning to that header in a mail > message is playing a dangerous game. > > Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for > years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response > to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to > apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one > commonly in use. It makes Pine the Humpty Dumpty of mail > agents. > Now that this is the third time around on this subject, I know it's hopeless trying to change anyone's mind, so I'll just stick to correcting the factual error above: Pine does not ascribe any meaning or make any assumptions about the meaning of a "Newsgroups:" header line. It asks the user what he/she wants to do about it. ( And then it asks "are you sure..." ) It is the fact that there is no standard context-free meaning for the "Newsgroup:" line that makes it impossible for Pine to make any assumptions - which would be real useful, as it could then prevent users from asking it to do the "wrong" thing ( or at least ask them ONE MORE TIME: "are you sure..." ) It is the fact that some news readers sometimes chose to use a non-standard usage and semantics for the "Newsgroups:" line that makes it impossible for ANY program to automatically ascribe a single meaning to the existence of that line. It's meaning is ambiguous: The message might be a News posting or it might be a private message in reply to a public new posting ( or it might have been sent via both channels. ) So the only reasonable action for any program is to ask the user to decide, based perhaps on other clues in the message text. [ Which is exactly what Pine does - *it* does not ascribe meaning to that header line - the user does. ] REPEAT: Pine does NOT assume mailed replies are news articles. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 18:16:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22927; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:16:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02680; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:09:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02674; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:09:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmXai-00038vC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tritech@technet.sg (TriTech Microelectronics) Subject: Re: PC PINE or WINPINE Date: 7 Mar 1995 06:20:30 GMT Message-Id: <3jgtvf$a1s@raffles.technet.sg> References: Jesus M. Arias Jr (zeus@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote: : Where can I get a copy of these programs? : Does anyone have the FTP site and path handy? : - zeus The site is at ftp.cac.washington.edu. The path (I think) is /pine/pcpine. -Ang. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 19:24:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25051; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:24:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03846; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03840; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmYke-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > Unfortunately, RFC 1036 defines headers for NEWS, but NOT FOR MAIL. Using the same field-name as a header defined in RFC 1036 for a completely different purpose than defined in that document is an extremely bad idea. It is the root cause of this problem. > The objects they manipulate are fundamentally different, as can be > evidenced by the fact that people complain that their mail was posted. > If it's the same, barring transport mechanism, why do people complain? People complain because their messages were sent to places that they did not intend (even though they responded "yes" to two prompts that warned them this would happen). > That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can > remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this > thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for > mail, it really does need to know which is which. The message did not necessarily arrive via NNTP, it could have been fetched through, say, IMAP. The user could have copied the message from a "news" folder to one of their personal folders in a previous session. The user could have saved the message to a file and loaded it back in somehow. > Mail user agents are not bound by news user agent RFC. It would be nice > if "newsgroups" headers didn't show up in anything but news, but they > do and will continue to do so until someone goes to every site in the > world and replaces the software there. Are you volunteering? Is anyone volunteering to replace all the B News sites still out there? Anyone volunteering to replace all the software that still generates 2-digit years in Date headers? Just because a practice is widely deployed does not make it correct or desirable. It is not going to be feasable to build/maintain a Maginot line between "news" objects and "mail" objects, a practice of using the same field-names to mean completely different things in the two contexts is going to cause many more problems than just the one being complained about in this thread. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 19:26:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25141; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:26:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10289; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:12:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10281; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:12:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmYa5-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sinners@netcom.com (Steve Inners) Subject: IMAP, SCO and PCPINE - HELP! Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:27:06 GMT I have been running Pine 3.91 on a SCO wide area network for several months. It has been very successful .. the users love it and we have had no problems (implentation and utilization!). Now, however, I want to integrate those users who operate in in an exclusively Windows environment. They are tied to the net via winsock and have Unix accounts for receiving mail. I have done several things so far. I added the pre-compiled SCO imapd, ipop2d, ipop3d to my inetd.conf file. Added the line inbox-path={host-name)INBOX to my local pinerc file. Ran PC-Pine and failed! I get a connection refused error. Trumpet reports "Task XXXX did not call WSACleanup" after it's report of gethostbyname. I have printed out all the doc on imap from the pine distribution .. but it appears to be slanted towards persons *developing* additional capabilities. Does anyone have a step-by-step "how-to" on configuring imap or an alternative. The end product I am looking for is a Windows interface to the users mailbox on the UNIX host. signed -- deeply frustrated PS -- I have confirmed that winsock is talking to the net and more specifically *can* ping the host I have imapd activated(?) on. -- -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 20:02:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25976; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:02:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11036; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:57:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11030; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:57:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmZHW-00038CC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 19:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamlet@tezcat.com (Hamlet) Subject: Signature Art Date: 8 Mar 1995 21:52:29 GMT Message-Id: <3jl8ut$lvo@quilla.tezcat.com> -- h a m l e t @ t e z c a t . c o m l e t t h e p a s t b u r y i t ' s d e a d ! l e t s w e e t a n d h a p p y t h o u g h t s , e n t e r y o u r h e a d ! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 20:32:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26855; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:32:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04920; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:21:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04913; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:20:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmZe8-00038eC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? Message-Id: References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:42:46 GMT On Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:13:47 GMT, in comp.mail.pine, bryan@netcom.com (parading as Bryan Higgins) managed to electronically scribble: % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. % Help would be most appreciated. look in .pinerc Line called inbox-path= defaults to /user/spool/mail/$USER shouldn't be to hard to change. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 131119 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Never argue with a tired (or rested) woman! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 8 21:43:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28668; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:43:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12728; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12722; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmarX-00038LC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 21:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:17:28 GMT On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox > % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable > % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. > % Help would be most appreciated. > > look in .pinerc > Line called inbox-path= Hey ... lookee this. Yesterday I moved somebody's mail to their home directory because they had like a 3 MB mail file. Today I get a message saying that they can't read their mail in pine (the inbox-path variable is unset.) When moving their mail, we add a line like "setenv MAIL $HOME/.newmail" to their .login file so that mailers can find their mail file. [Two questions arise from this ... #1: Why doesn't PINE look for a MAIL variable? and 2: Why doesn't PINE do a 'ypcat aliases' type command to find redirected mail?] So anyway, I decided to do a little experimenting. I don't have a $MAIL variable set (because I know how to delete and move mail) and I set 'inbox-path=$MAIL' in my .pinerc file. I exited pine and restarted it, and it found my mail no problem. Coolness, I say, I'll stick this in /yachtlocal/lib/pine.conf (the 'global' .pinerc file.) I exit pine and whenever I try to run it, =>- cut -<= sloop ccurtis 16: vi pine.conf sloop ccurtis 17: cd /ketch_unison/users/undergrad/ccurtis sloop ccurtis 18: pine Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. sloop ccurtis 19: pine -r Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". Exiting pine. sloop ccurtis 20: pine Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". =>- cut -<= Removing this line from the file makes PINE work again. To reiterate, it only does this if the setting is in the global config file. So I guess my question is, when is Pine 3.92 coming out? And, will Pine begin looking at /etc/aliases and/or the $MAIL variable? I think I've asked this before, but gotten no response. Oh, and another thing, I sometimes get messages from people that were sent to me and posted to usenet. Apparently all they have to do is when posting the message, add a CC: line to myself. I've tried this in Pine, and it seems to work, but it'd be nice to have pine ask "Would you like to send a copy directly to the poster as well?" instead of me having to retype the address. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? T | Christopher Curtis | "Do you have any idea how fast | O E | Sun Lab System Administrator | you were going?" | S A | Florida Institute of Technology | "No, the | / M | Melbourne, Florida N|N little needle stops at 100." | 2 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 01:55:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04884; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:55:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10032; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10026; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmejK-00038LC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:03:49 -0500 Message-Id: <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (2788) > Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not > correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but > adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. Bzzt. By ``not correct,'' I have to assume that you mean ``not something that I agree with.'' > That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can > remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this > thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for > mail, it really does need to know which is which. Eh? I have a big system and messages arrive from all over the place, more than just ``mail'' and ``news''. They use a common representation (the basic RFC 822 header/body separation, the basic RFC 822 mechanism to separate the individual headers). Differences are encapsulated by those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is truly important. > What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw > anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". Another oversight. By ``correct'' I have to read ``pragmatic.'' ``Correct'' is a powerful word and it doesn't help to over-use it; it's just inflammatory. Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Tim Pierce@midway.uchica (2381) > Precisely. Even though news and mail are, at a technical > level, extremely similar messaging systems, those who use > them tend to treat them as oil and water. It is imperative > that the tools used to handle mail and news be capable of > making an equally strong distinction; even though the user > may want to do many similar things to both media, it can be > catastrophic to confuse one for the other. Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. But it's not fair to go from a wishy-washy statement about ``those who use them tend to treat'' to ``it is imperative.'' Let's cut the high-handed rhetoric. This topic has had more than its share of heat for its amount of light. If there are technical points to make, let's make them but leave the flame-talk at home. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 02:03:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05068; Thu, 9 Mar 95 02:03:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16912; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:57:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16906; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:57:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmev9-00038LC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 01:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: c9524@rrzc3.rz.uni-regensburg.de (Ulrich Windl) Subject: official PINE; where? Date: 08 Mar 1995 08:25:17 GMT Message-Id: Very easy: Where is the official PINE source located, and where are mirror sites? Please reply per EMail! Ulrich -- Ulrich Windl Universitaet Regensburg, Rechenzentrum DV-med Franz-Josef-Strauss-Allee 11 D-93042 Regensburg, Germany %%[PGP 2.3a Public Key on at least one European key server]%% From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 04:23:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08538; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:23:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12330; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:18:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12324; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:18:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmhAC-00038eC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olavk@ifi.uio.no (Olav Georg Karlsen) Subject: International character sets Date: 9 Mar 1995 11:43:50 +0100 Message-Id: <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> I am using Pine 3.91 (in Norway) I would like to use the norwegian characters æøå and ÆØÅ. (They might not appear right, but should be oslash, aring, etc. (ae, oe, aa). I have therefore configured Pine to use: character-set = iso-8859-1 When i recieve mail from a person with these letters in his/her name, it appears like this: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Ole_Fredrik_=D8deg=E5rd?= When i type these letters in the message body or receive mail containing them, they do not appear at all on screen, but the letters ARE there, because the recipient can read them in mail from me, and when i export my incoming mail, they appear in the text file. Any solutions? Olav Karlsen From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 04:43:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08949; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:43:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19200; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19170; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:30:58 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:11:46 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id MAA05774; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:14:02 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:14:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I'be been doing some simplistic tests on resource usage comparing Berkeley and Tenex formats for INBOX access (on Silicon Graphics machines running IRIX 5.2) >From memory I seem to recall that the Tenex format is generally "better" in that messages stored in this format are a fixed size, whereas Berkeley's can change size as they are read, replied to, etc. I *presumed* that this would lead to savings in memory usage if Clever Things were being done to take advantage of this consistency in size. So I doing some tests using Pine first with the mboxdriver (which uses Berkeley format) and then the Tenex driver. I performed these first on an empty INBOX, then on one with 78 messages totalling around 350Kb. When Pine had finished opening the INBOX I used a "ps -elf" to check the total size of the process (the SZ value) and its resident set size (the RSS value - pages actually in memory). For the non-empty INBOX at that early point (straight after the INBOX had finished opening) the Tenex version was using *more* resident memory than the mboxdriver/Berkeley coutnerpart (327 pages v 299 pages, where 1 page = 4Kb) Could someone confirm whether or not there *are* advantages to using Tenex format, and if so what they tend to be (memory, disk I/O, CPU usage, etc)? (I realise that the test I did were very simplistic and may well be giving misleading results, but I'd hoped that they'd give a general indication of memory usage.) With thanks, Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 05:12:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09870; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:12:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19632; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19626; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmhn6-00038gC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 04:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 02:34:11 GMT Message-Id: <3jlpf3$a2e@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In John Gardiner Myers writes: >> That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can >> remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this >> thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for >> mail, it really does need to know which is which. >The message did not necessarily arrive via NNTP, it could have been >fetched through, say, IMAP. The user could have copied the message >from a "news" folder to one of their personal folders in a previous >session. The user could have saved the message to a file and loaded >it back in somehow. Tangential issue here. How it arrived is irrelevant; what it *is* is relevant. News is News so long as it is in the News spool area. As soon as a user moves it into his private collection, it has been converted into email. Replies to this email should be private. A user who wishes to participate in News follows up (not 'replies') to what is News, not what has been converted into email. A user who wishes to reply (not 'follow up') to email may reply to email, but may also reply to News. It doesn't matter if it arrived via IMAP. If it's in the News spool area, it's News, and if it's in the users' private area, it's email (possibly converted from email). Let me say this again: Once a News posting is moved into a user's private files, it is no longer News. It has been converted into email. It should be treated accordingly. Do not post any followups to it. Oh, by the way, there are established terms 'reply' and 'follow-up' that clearly distinguish between the two actions. Let's not cause confusion by calling everything a reply. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 05:27:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10251; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:27:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13094; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:13:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13088; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:13:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmi13-00038lC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 05:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 02:23:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Chris Newman writes: >The recent discussion have demonstrated that there are two religions: >1) News and email are fundamentally different. > and >2) News and email are essentially the same. Not so. There is nothing religious about this. These things ought to be decided on merit. The people who claim that News and email are fundamentally the same thing are looking at only part of the picture. The people who claim that News and email are different are looking at the whole picture. The truth is that News and email have some commonalities and some differences. The differences are rather critical. If they were not, we would not see so many complaints about email being accidentally converted into News. QED. >How can we >make these two models co-exist with the least pain? Coexistence is not the problem. The real problem is that pine is discarding out-of-band information, and thus losing track of whether a file contains News or email. New and email can coexist quite nicely -- if you keep track of what is what. >1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format >indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of >other headers. This is technically the correct solution. However, the 'type' header should be added not by the sending software (which already knows the 'type', as does the transport protocol), but by the receiving software at the point where it is about to discard the out-of-band information that distinguishes between News and email. This out-of-band information can be converted to in-band information in the form of a 'type' header. Transferring out-of-band information into in-band information at the destination is not a new idea. Most email delivery agents already do this for the envelope sender, by saving it as a Return-Path header, and many email delivery agents do it for the envelope recipient, by saving it in a Received: header, when doing so is known not to violate Bcc: privacy. Surely those who insist that News and email are the same thing would be willing to use some of the mechanisms used by email (but not currently by News...wonder why...) to achieve similar goals? >2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion >originated". Already have it: It's 'Newsgroups:'. >3) Define a new header to mean "although this was sent by email, it >was also posted to the following newsgroups". Already have this information: Combination of out-of-band information (type = News) and Newsgroups: header. >4) both 2 & 3, and deprecate use of "newsgroups" in mail. Requires change in established practice, and will take too long to happen. Not a good idea. >Personally, I find (1) overly complex for implementors. I believe (2) >is a reasonable solution. Disagree -- see response to (2). -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:23:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12896; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:23:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21680; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:11:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21674; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:11:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmjmF-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamlet@tezcat.com (Hamlet) Subject: Signature Art Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:35:02 GMT Message-Id: <3jlt16$137@quilla.tezcat.com> I was wondering how to obtain some of the art you see in signature files thanks -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:31:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13082; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:31:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14917; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14911; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:18:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmjvf-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:01:23 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: This discussion accomplishes nothing positive. I suggest that it be dropped. The gist of the technical issue is this: there is no reliable way to determine what is "news" and what is "mail" to establish modal behavior. If there is anyone who in sincerely interested in the technical details, I will be happy to explain. There have been a great number of suggestions on how to deal with the problem, for which we are grateful; unfortunately some of these are infeasible due to technical considerations. We have already deployed several of the feasible suggestions. These will be in Pine 3.92. We are also actively investigating certain others, including a clever means (if it works -- not yet verified) of distinguishing between non-posted email from tin (et al) and postings. It isn't yet certain whether this will be in 3.92; the jury is still out on whether or not the particular trick in question will work. Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending abusive email will give them their way. I no longer read, much less answer, mail from these individuals. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:36:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13251; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:36:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15059; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:27:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from solaris.carl.org by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15053; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:27:28 -0800 Received: by solaris (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20931; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:32:20 MST From: troby@carl.org (Thorn Roby) Message-Id: <9503091532.AA20931@solaris> Subject: How to disable reverse video (3.91) ? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:32:19 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 794 I have a number of old terminals that require a space on the screen to represent video attributes. They are not able to use the protected-mode reverse video trick that works on Wyse. As a result, the cursor position is incorrect once highlight characters have been used, and the screen is scrambled. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? I've looked through the last year of pine-info, and seen references to setting assume-slow-line, with the idea that this would disable reverse video and replace it with an arrow. However, while this can be done in elm, I don't see any effect in pine, nor any use of the line speed affecting tty output. -- Thorn Roby troby@carl.org CARL Corporation 3801 E. Florida Ave.,Suite 300,Denver CO 80210 (303) 758-3030 x125 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 07:52:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13803; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:52:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22108; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22102; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:09 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01696; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:40:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen R. Wylie" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE In-Reply-To: <3j5gcr$dtd@alpha.bin-sixx.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Mar 1995, Atlas Computer Systems wrote: > Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:21:15 -0500 > From: Atlas Computer Systems > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: WD_1_GIG_DRIVE > > *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** > Atlas Computer Systems is pleased to announce the arrival of the Western > Digital Caviar AC31000 1.08 GB EIDE hard drive for the unbelievably low > price of $389 plus $10 shipping and handling. Call Atlas Computer Systems > at (904) 694-2900 Monday through Friday 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. EST with your > credit card ready to place an order. All orders placed within the > continental United States will be shipped via UPS Second Day Air. Ask > your ACS sales representative for information on international shipping. If > you're interested in having our current price list e-mailed to you, send > a request to us001663@interramp.com. We look forward to hearing from you. > *********************************ADVERTISEMENT******************************** > I was wondering if there was a pine mailing list that just stuck to pine... help and better ways to use pine... i'm not interested in buying a 1 gig drive from these fools, or someone's mountain bike.... the mkpgp posts were a little more to my liking. if such a mailing list exists, please give me the address because I get so much junk mail from this one that i have had to send it all to /dev/crap until I get more time to read junk mail, which means that I might miss any useful posts. [ln -s /dev/null /dev/crap] I have gotten some good information from this list... i'm not trying to trash the list; just get less than 80 emails a day [almost half of which come from here.] thanx in advance for any information you can offer. srw ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen R. Wylie http://www.wylie.com/~swylie/ computer geek Internet Email: swylie@wylie.com Linux Freak For PGP public key, Finger ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 82KZ550-C or send mail to above addr. with Subject: get pubkey Atlanta, GA "I'm your icecreamman; stop me when I'm passing by" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 08:13:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14671; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:13:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22632; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:05:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22626; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:05:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmkWB-000395C; Thu, 9 Mar 95 07:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:33:21 -0500 Message-Id: <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> The recent discussion have demonstrated that there are two religions: 1) News and email are fundamentally different. and 2) News and email are essentially the same. It is clear that both models exist and likely that both will continue to exist for some time. Given that religious issues can't be resolved by discussion, we should move on to solve the technical problem: How can we make these two models co-exist with the least pain? Solutions I've heard suggested are as follows: 1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of other headers. 2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion originated". 3) Define a new header to mean "although this was sent by email, it was also posted to the following newsgroups". 4) both 2 & 3, and deprecate use of "newsgroups" in mail. Personally, I find (1) overly complex for implementors. I believe (2) is a reasonable solution. - Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 08:21:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15022; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:21:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22726; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:08:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22716; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:08:02 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA01584; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:09:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:09:23 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: .pine-debug files Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw this question & answer posted earlier, but cannot find my copy of it; sorry for the reposting: What is a .pine-debug# file? Can I disable the creation of them? My users are subject to diskquotas, and the .pine-debug files are eating chunks of their disk space. Thanks, Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 10:04:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20283; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:04:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18223; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18217; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmm57-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 09:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 07:26:28 GMT Message-Id: <3jmaj4$nn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes: >They use a common representation >(the basic RFC 822 header/body separation, the basic RFC 822 mechanism >to separate the individual headers). Differences are encapsulated by >those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is >truly important. If you consider these messages (which presumably include Usenet postings) as just files with no semantics, then of course they are all the same thing. Likewise, /vmunix and /usr/man/man1/csh.1 are the same thing --- just files. Once you begin to consider the semantics of the data in these files, and what people will *do* with them, and what they will *think* while they do it, you begin to realize the differences. Why is it considered a breach of netiquette to post private email to Usenet? >Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. How about: Everybody who is complaining about private email being posted to Usenet? If these complainers are such an insignificant minority of such little importance that we can dismiss them with a comment like 'Maybe some folks, sure', then why are we even arguing? Ignore the problem and that's the end of it! -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 10:54:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23198; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:54:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20265; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:45:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20255; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:45:25 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id KAA29611; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:44:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Reply-To: Steve Inners Subject: imapd and SCO To: Pine Information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I am new to this mailing list. If this subject has been covered already, I apologize in advance. I am running Pine3.91 on an SCO Open Server machine. The implementation has been a wonderful success. I am now trying to expand the implementation to include PC-PINE for winsock. My winsock installation appears to be solid and functional, but accessing my inbox on the SCO machine has proven to be no easy matter. I have added the pre-compiled imapd (427500K Oct 21 11:00) that came with the pine-3.91.tar for SCO to my inetd.conf file: imapd stream tcp nowait root /etc/imapd imapd The /etc/imapd file looks like this: -rwx--x--x 1 bin bin 427500 Mar 08 09:41 /etc/imapd I have added it to my /etc/services: imap 143/tcp then I rebooted the server. My PINERC file has the line: inbox-path={indodt1}/usr/spool/mail/sinner When I run PC-PINE I get: Can't connect to indodt1,143: Refused (10061) then, No Inbox opened Any help would be appreciated. If I can get PC-PINE to interact with the SCO inboxes, I will make ALOT of users very happy. -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 11:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24179; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:05:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27175; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:56:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27169; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:56:22 -0800 Received: by mibm.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA112559; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:36 +0100 (MEZ) From: Valeria Pace To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > hi,i am a german italian female student and i have some problems to log > in with this adress: > > telnet://fraggel165.mdstud.chalmers.se:4321/ > > > in spite you are specialist for the pine-programm,can you help me or can > you give me another adress? > > thanks a lot > > valeria > here others informations: i know gopher,but not WWW. with "talk hostaddress" does not functions i hope that somebody can advice me..if you have other questions about this,so write me. gruesse aus germany valeria From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 12:09:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27512; Thu, 9 Mar 95 12:09:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28861; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:59:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28855; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:59:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmoJY-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: more on locked folders Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:45:28 GMT On 8 Mar 1995 16:16:09 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, nashara@pepperdine.edu (parading as Queen Bee) managed to electronically scribble: % I also got the "can't open folder lock, access is read only" and then % "folder is : open by another process" message. I didn't have any % problems getting the process id, but nothing happened when I typed "kill % (number)" and I ended up waiting a week for the system to kill the % process. What happened? Well, if you didn't immediately (or thereabouts) get a message saying something to the effect of job killed, try kill -9 pid where pid is the process Id # of the process. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 91 Days - 130517 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01522; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00928; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00897; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:21 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20182; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:04:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "Christopher \"AWOL\" Curtis" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Look at other than /usr/spool/mail/xxxx? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-34865619-794783053=:17174" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-34865619-794783053=:17174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Christopher, o A patch has been posted a few times to deal with some initialization problems in the global pine.conf file. I don't know if that's the problem you're seeing with the env. variable, but it would be worth applying the patch anyway. I've attached the patch again. Please let us know if the problem persists. o In order to minimize unexpected surprises/side-effects of env vars, our goal is to allow env. variables to be used in the personal and global pine config files, but to have them be referenced explicitly rather than implicitly. So 3.92 will not look at $MAIL implicitly. But what you are trying to do with $MAIL in the pine.conf is intended to work. o Re your last question: 3.92 will have the ability to "do both" o We don't know when 3.92 will be ready. -teg On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Christopher "AWOL" Curtis wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > > > % This ought be obvious, but: how do I configure pine to look in $HOME/inbox > > % instead of /usr/spool/mail/$USER? It seems to not look at the MAIL envariable > > % anymore (I've got 3.89). The documentation and source code baffles me. > > % Help would be most appreciated. > > > > look in .pinerc > > Line called inbox-path= > > Hey ... lookee this. Yesterday I moved somebody's mail to their home > directory because they had like a 3 MB mail file. Today I get a message > saying that they can't read their mail in pine (the inbox-path variable is > unset.) When moving their mail, we add a line like "setenv MAIL > $HOME/.newmail" to their .login file so that mailers can find their mail > file. [Two questions arise from this ... #1: Why doesn't PINE look for a > MAIL variable? and 2: Why doesn't PINE do a 'ypcat aliases' type command to > find redirected mail?] So anyway, I decided to do a little experimenting. I > don't have a $MAIL variable set (because I know how to delete and move mail) > and I set 'inbox-path=$MAIL' in my .pinerc file. I exited pine and restarted > it, and it found my mail no problem. Coolness, I say, I'll stick this in > /yachtlocal/lib/pine.conf (the 'global' .pinerc file.) I exit pine and > whenever I try to run it, > > =>- cut -<= > sloop ccurtis 16: vi pine.conf > sloop ccurtis 17: cd > /ketch_unison/users/undergrad/ccurtis > sloop ccurtis 18: pine > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > sloop ccurtis 19: pine -r > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > Exiting pine. > sloop ccurtis 20: pine > > > Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal". > =>- cut -<= > > Removing this line from the file makes PINE work again. To reiterate, it > only does this if the setting is in the global config file. So I guess my > question is, when is Pine 3.92 coming out? And, will Pine begin looking at > /etc/aliases and/or the $MAIL variable? > > I think I've asked this before, but gotten no response. > > Oh, and another thing, I sometimes get messages from people that were sent to > me and posted to usenet. Apparently all they have to do is when posting the > message, add a CC: line to myself. I've tried this in Pine, and it seems to > work, but it'd be nice to have pine ask "Would you like to send a copy > directly to the poster as well?" instead of me having to retype the address. > Anyone else have any thoughts on this? > > T | Christopher Curtis | "Do you have any idea how fast | O > E | Sun Lab System Administrator | you were going?" | S > A | Florida Institute of Technology | "No, the | / > M | Melbourne, Florida N|N little needle stops at 100." | 2 > > --0-34865619-794783053=:17174 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="z.patch3.91" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: init.c.diff KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-34865619-794783053=:17174-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:46:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02715; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:46:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01977; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:42:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01971; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:42:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmpqZ-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David.Bear@Asu.Edu Subject: IMAP and OS/2 Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:35:26 GMT Message-Id: <3jkpsu$r5t@news.asu.edu> Does anyone know of an IMAP server ported to OS/2? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 13:47:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02742; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:47:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24712; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:25:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24706; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:25:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmpfO-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Headers to preserve for attachments Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:20:50 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was setting up a listserv on our system using the listproc version 6.0c software, and I wanted to know which headers I have to preserve so that messages with attachments sent to lists will be seen by the recipients as messages with attachments instead of a lot of base64 garbage. Thanks Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 14:00:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03303; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:00:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02115; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02109; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:15 -0800 Received: from wylie.com by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08064; Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:50:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen R. Wylie" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:34:36 +0100 (MEZ) > From: Valeria Pace > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: question > > On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Valeria Pace wrote: > > > > hi,i am a german italian female student and i have some problems to log > > in with this adress: > > > > telnet://fraggel165.mdstud.chalmers.se:4321/ > > > > > > in spite you are specialist for the pine-programm,can you help me or can > > you give me another adress? > > > > thanks a lot > > > > valeria > > > here others informations: i know gopher,but not WWW. > with "talk hostaddress" does not functions > > i hope that somebody can advice me..if you have other questions about > this,so write me. > > gruesse aus germany > > valeria > what's the problem?? i use pine to telnet all the time. did you remember to configure pine's telnet option? don't forget to enable the WWW option also, it's really great. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 14:56:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05892; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:56:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03041; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03035; Thu, 9 Mar 95 14:28:32 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA24035; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:29:36 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00447; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:14:37 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:14:37 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503092314.AA00447@wizard> To: swylie@wylie.com Subject: Re: question Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 809 > what's the problem?? i use pine to telnet all the time. > > did you remember to configure pine's telnet option? > > don't forget to enable the WWW option also, it's really great. Pardon moi? Can you explain this WWW option, are you saying Pine has Web browsing capability?? And what about this telnet option, is this just shelling out and then running telnet? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 15:57:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08771; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:57:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04941; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:35:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04935; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:35:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmrhX-00038KC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 09:42:59 GMT Message-Id: <3jmij3$9r5@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that >by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat >those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending >abusive email will give them their way. The last time Mark Crispin made such accusations, I asked for examples and none came. My guess is that if you disagree with Mark by posting to comp.mail.pine, you are branded as sending abusive email. (News vs email confusion here.) I would like to see either an example of allegedly abusive email, or a retraction. If Mark and others would stop attacking the established base of news readers as being broken, and stop referring to UNIX users as 'weenies', and making other equally incorrect or rude assertions, they would cease to have any problem with abusive email (really Usenet postings disagreeing with them). -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 17:06:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12639; Thu, 9 Mar 95 17:06:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29868; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:51:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29862; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:51:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmssV-00038MC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 07:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <3jmauq$157@hustle.rahul.net> References: In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: > Pine does not ascribe any meaning or make any assumptions about >the meaning of a "Newsgroups:" header line. It asks the user what >he/she wants to do about it. ( And then it asks "are you sure..." ) Hmm...Sounds like Pine *is* assuming that the presence of a Newsgroups header in incoming email means that the user should be asked if he wishes to post his email reply to Usenet. Definitely some assumption here. > It is the fact that there is no standard context-free meaning for >the "Newsgroup:" line that makes it impossible for Pine to make any >assumptions ... True; 'context-free' is the key issue here. Pine is not *required* to lose the context, but does so because of some design decisions. > It is the fact that some news readers sometimes chose to use a >non-standard usage and semantics for the "Newsgroups:" line... I suspect we will forever go in circles about this. In fact there are very clear established meanings for the Newsgroups: header. In News, it means something is being posted to the newsgroups mentioned in the header. In email it means this email is in response to such a posting. Until pine came into the picture nobody was confused about these meanings. >...makes it impossible for ANY program to automatically ascribe a single >meaning to the existence of that line. It's meaning is ambiguous: >The message might be a News posting or it might be a private message >in reply to a public new posting ( or it might have been sent via >both channels. ) So the only reasonable action for any program is to >ask the user to decide, based perhaps on other clues in the message text. Disagree; the only reasonable action for any program is to interpret the Newsgroups: header in the proper context. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 19:22:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16526; Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:22:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02450; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:59:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02444; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:58:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA04198; Thu, 9 Mar 95 18:58:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX (fwd) To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Pine Info Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello Mike - I think that your test was fundamentally flawed, because you measured resident memory instead of virtual memory. The amount of resident memory is more an artifact of how much the scheduler loves you than of any direct performance measurement. Bezerk/mbox format keeps every message in memory, in separate malloc() buffers for each message. In many implementations of malloc(), the size of a malloc() buffer is a power of 2, thus you have to round up each message size to the nearest power of two and sum that to get the total virtual memory consumed. This is needed, because expunge and checkpoint operations require a copy of the mailbox. Many times, user's don't have the disk quota to do a disk copy, and a disk copy is very slow anyway because the mailbox's inode needs to be preserved (thus a disk copy would triple the amount of disk traffic!). Tenex format uses a size count and reserved space for flags. This permits updates to be done in place (effectively, no checkpoints) and the source can be used as a target for expunge (since you're guaranteed to be blatting data down). As a result, Tenex format does not keep message in memory. It may read in a single message for processing, but it'll never keep more than one in memory at a time. In general, Tenex format will be less memory hungry and faster than bezerk format. There is one exception; free text searches will be slower in tenex format, since it actually has to read messages from the disk. In bezerk format, it'll do searches from memory, so that is faster. Envelope/MIME parses are potentially faster in bezerk format because of all the data being in memory as well. This is rarely much of an issue in actuality though. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 20:20:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18289; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:20:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10593; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:16:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10587; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:16:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmw29-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Date: 9 Mar 1995 10:09:25 GMT Message-Id: References: In article dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote: : I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is : happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report : similar problems, so this is only a guess.) If that is the cause, it isn't a general sendmail 8.6.10 problem - I just used pine to send to 35 addresses, and it worked fine... Of course, it wasn't under AIX :-) -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790577 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 21:09:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19469; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:09:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04374; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:01:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04368; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:01:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmwkp-00038kC; Thu, 9 Mar 95 20:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David.Bear@Asu.Edu Subject: pcpine configuration Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:29:53 GMT Message-Id: <3jkpih$r5t@news.asu.edu> I have a professor who spent sabbatical at UofW and is hooked on PC Pine. So I put it on his local computer. Trouble is I can seem to find where sent mail is saved. I am thinking it may be a configuration problem. I would like to configure it so he could see folders on imap and local. Assuming is mailbox is daneke@imap2.asu.edu what are the important parameters to fill in below in order for him to read mail locally and on imap? personal-name = smtp-server = nntp-server = inbox-path = folder-collections = news-collections = default-fcc = postponed-folder = read-message-folder = signature-file = global-address-book = address-book = feature-list = David Bear Support System Analyst IDDWB@Cyrus.Pp.Asu.Edu v: 602-965-8257 f: 602-965-9189 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 9 21:40:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20590; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:40:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11969; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:37:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11963; Thu, 9 Mar 95 21:37:50 -0800 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA16391; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:37:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Morrison Subject: Limitation on Distribution List To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus error from Netcom. I have had to break the list into two pieces and send the message two individual times. Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send the message only once? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 00:24:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24604; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:24:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14303; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:20:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14297; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:20:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rmzrs-00038qC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" Subject: include-header-in-compose ? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:59:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Is there any way to include-header-in-compose ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBL19sD+Bu0383Om6dAQFyCwQAyqnWxzito8ZkzMEMKgSicgUggF34WxQz tXX6m363o/YmEFLvSULuWHDR32DiPm+XaUtBpwerCEFyJJrHYlsAgKjD3U+c43yV GmHUH364B/9zGDuEP+XNELfk09jqxtYX6dfwQ1kfEPWU05/9nwTDXI5kduoQlVZ2 k/EUmi9SsCE= =MPWV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- kc finger deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu | pgp -fka "The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 00:58:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25351; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:58:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14791; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:52:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14785; Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:52:02 -0800 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:49:00 +0000 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id IAA01525; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:51:16 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:51:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine Info Mailing List Subject: Re: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Mark - On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Mark Crispin wrote: > I think that your test was fundamentally flawed, because you measured resident > memory instead of virtual memory. The amount of resident memory is more an > artifact of how much the scheduler loves you than of any direct performance > measurement. That's what I had initially thought. However I tried both Berkeley and Tenex tests 3 times each, and each time got *exactly* the same SZ (total virtual memory usage) and RSS (resident set size) for each type of instantiation. As this seemed so constant I started wondering if the test might be valid. Interestingly, if you run with what still may prove to be a flawed test for a while, the SZ value for Berkeley format was 782 pages (1 page = 4Kb), and 820 pages for Tenex. This is an even bigger difference than the 299 v 327 RSS values! :-} > Bezerk/mbox format keeps every message in memory, in separate malloc() buffers > for each message. In many implementations of malloc(), the size of a malloc() > buffer is a power of 2, thus you have to round up each message size to the > nearest power of two and sum that to get the total virtual memory consumed. > This is needed, because expunge and checkpoint operations require a copy of > the mailbox. Many times, user's don't have the disk quota to do a disk copy, > and a disk copy is very slow anyway because the mailbox's inode needs to be > preserved (thus a disk copy would triple the amount of disk traffic!). This is very useful information too. The implication is that the point I was measuring memory usage at is not the maximum, certainly for Berkeley (*WHY* can I never spell that right first time!!) format. Hence apparent initial differences (if my test was valid, which I'm now doubting) are probably misleading for general use of the program. > In general, Tenex format will be less memory hungry and faster than bezerk > format. There is one exception; free text searches will be slower in tenex > format, since it actually has to read messages from the disk. In bezerk > format, it'll do searches from memory, so that is faster. Envelope/MIME > parses are potentially faster in bezerk format because of all the data being > in memory as well. This is rarely much of an issue in actuality though. On the whole I am being very tempted to go with the Tenex format for the INBOX. I'm not overly worried about the free text searching, etc, which are used relatively infrequently. I'm glad you said it is generally faster... I had thought there was a slight speed increase and wondered if I was hallucinating it. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 01:37:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26774; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:37:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08456; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:30:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08448; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:30:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn10w-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 9 Mar 1995 16:27:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3jnrs2$9k2@yage.tembel.org> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In article <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com>, wrote: > Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. Oil and water is actually an excellent analogy. They're both liquids; they can be measured and poured with the same tools. But they are used for different purposes, and if you mix them, if you lose track of which is which, people will complain. -- Shields. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 01:56:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27094; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:56:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15705; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15699; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn1Km-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:08:05 GMT Message-Id: <3jnu85$ca3@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3jmij3$9r5@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >My guess is that if you disagree with Mark by posting >to comp.mail.pine, you are branded as sending abusive email. (News vs >email confusion here.) This is certainly not the case since I've publicly disagreed with Mark and the Pine Team on a number of different occasions and I've always received intelligent, well thought out responses. On the other hand I've received plenty of flame responses from people not on the Pine Team. Nancy -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o )Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! The Call For Votes (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < is in news.announce.newgroups.( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 02:04:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27238; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:04:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08804; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:58:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08798; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:58:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn1OJ-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: reply-to? Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:17:23 GMT Message-Id: <3jnupj$a83@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: David L Miller wrote: >On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Thomas wrote: )>Is there a way to set a reply-to header using Pine? It apparently )>understands that header on incoming mail, but I can't find any key (nor )>information in the help and man pages) that does it. Is it even possible? )>I'm using Pine 3.89, compiled for Linux. Thanks. > >Not in Pine 3.89, but there is in the current Pine 3.91 release... You could postpone the message, suspend Pine, and edit the header of postponed-mail. It's a pain, but it works (at least it does in 3.87, which my site's *still* using). -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 02:44:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27824; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:44:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16302; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:38:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16296; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:38:03 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA05597; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:35:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:35:12 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz To: Steve Inners Cc: Pine Information Subject: Re: imapd and SCO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Steve Inners wrote: > the pine-3.91.tar for SCO to my inetd.conf file: >=20 > =09imapd stream tcp nowait root /etc/imapd imapd I used info given by you to succesfully installed Winsocks pcpine (I had=20 received the same error message before) with one exeption --- according=20 to comments in my inetd.conf it is necessary to use name of service from=20 /etc/services as the first word of inetd.conf line---seems to me you=20 used a name of the daemon. So for HP it works using: imap stream tcp nowait root ......... Try imap instead of imapd. I hope it helps (and thank YOU for your help) Vladimir P. S. Maybe it would be enough to send SIGHUP to inetd to make it load a= =20 new configuration (I don't know if its true for SCO...) | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 03:16:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28501; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:16:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16575; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:00:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16569; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:00:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn2Nq-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Different Usercodes with IMAP Date: 10 Mar 1995 04:23:34 GMT Message-Id: <3jok86$imo@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) says: >Have I missed something obvious, or isn't it possible to save into your >.pinerc what usercode you want to use for IMAP (or rsh IMAP for that matter)? Pine presently uses rsh for IMAP with no possibility to specify a different username on the IMAP server (rsh -l user ...) I imagine it is on the List, as it is mentioned in the source code comments. It is possible to add some code to the source to do this, and I have. It works well, but not perfectly. The short answer is that no, you cannot save a remote IMAP login username into your .pinerc, and that Pine does not support pre-specification of a different IMAP login at this time. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 03:28:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28741; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:28:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09748; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:20:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09742; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:20:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn2j7-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: c940975@rakdong.sejong.ac.kr (Lee Won Jae) Subject: pine ?` Date: 10 Mar 1995 13:56:34 +0900 Message-Id: <3jom62$7p@rakdong.sejong.ac.kr> Hello ! I first write this group . I took this program ( pine ) a few days age . but, I can't setup this program . Give me some advice. This is my first UNIX program setup . -- ----- * from Prince of O`mar * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAVE A NICE DAY !!! Lee Won Jae Sejong University . E - mail : c940975@io.cs.sejong.ac.kr Computer Science . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 03:58:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29485; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:58:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17184; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:46:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17178; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:46:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn35E-00038rC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Elliott Noel Subject: Re: Signature file in Pine Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:16:36 -0330 (NST) Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > Hello freindly neighbors, > > I know this is proably a frequently asked question but i could not find > the FAQ for this Newsgroup but anyways. How do you create and edit a > .signature file and what do you need to do to make it work.... Just > wondering please e-mail me at my personally site along with this > newsgroup... Thanks in advance...*:o) All you do is make a text file, like with dos edit or something, then upload it to your account, then rename it to .signature or .sig, depending on yoru setup. If you're using dos edit, you need to dos2unix the text file before you upload it. One of my problems, which i put to this newsgroup to answer, is this: When i include the message i'm replying to so i can edit and quote it, my signature always goes before the quoted message. This is very annoying, as i have to then delete my sig since it looks silly at the start of the message. how do i fix this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 04:25:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00695; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:25:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10695; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:15:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10689; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:15:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn3ZS-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:20:08 GMT Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> In Article <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion >>originated". > >Already have it: It's 'Newsgroups:'. Not Necessarily. It can/will mean this if the Emailed message is ONLY being sent via Email (ie: It is a Reply-Via-Email). OTOH, if I am reading a News Article and create a Reply to be Posted and I also [with the same upload] send this reply via Email (Cc is one way to do this via a Header) then the Newsgroups header in the Emailed copy mean NOT those that the message I am replying to was [cross-]posted but where the Posted copy of this Email'ed Cc is being [cross-]posted. I am not even going to get into the issue of Followup-To headers which also cause problems for users who reply to Email'ed (or ML/NG Gatewayed) Messages/Articles . The real problem is that Pine who KNOWS how is is routing a message/article when it creates it but REFUSES to correctly Document this information so that when it sees an Incoming Message/Article it knows how set the default reply method. How hard it is to add the Following types of documentation Headers "X-Also-Emailed to:" to the Posted Copy of an Emailed&Posted Article "X-Email-Replied-From:" (listing the Newsgroups that the Article being Email Replyied to Appeared in) to the Email'ed Copy "X-Also-Posted-to:" (listing the Newsgroups that the Posted Version is going to) to the Email'ed Copy of an Emailed&Posted Article while leaving the Newsgroups for Backward Compatibility? Then when the user is Viewing an Email'ed message copy with these headers, PINE can know if this is an Email Reply or a Cc of a Posted Article and offer the Correct Default Reply Addresses. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 04:29:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00766; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:29:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17920; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:21:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17914; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:21:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn3dV-00038pC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:53:00 GMT Jason Haar (jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com) wrote: : In article dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote: : : I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is : : happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report : : similar problems, so this is only a guess.) : If that is the cause, it isn't a general sendmail 8.6.10 problem - I just : used pine to send to 35 addresses, and it worked fine... : Of course, it wasn't under AIX :-) I suspect the problem is at netcom, since I dial in, use my computer as a dummy-terminal, and run pine on their machine(s). What should I tell them to change back the way it was before? Rex -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 04:51:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01390; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:51:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11058; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:43:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11046; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:43:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn3wO-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lucio@ifctr.mi.cnr.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Subject: moving multiple messages to folders Date: 9 Mar 1995 11:10:31 -0600 Message-Id: After having spent some 15 min to press "down arrow - S - Alt-E - P" to sort some 300 mails I had of a correspondence of a project over the last three years into three separate folders one per year (the above sequence on my dxterm with Pine is "next message - Save - recall the edit menu - paste the folder name from the cut buffer") I wonder whether in a future version of Pine one could have features like : - possibility of selecting multiple messages and saving ALL of them into a folder (specifying the save operation and folder name just once) - having the "Save" command prompt you with a default folder name which is not "saved-messages" but the name of the LAST folder used (so one just presses return to save to it) - even better, given that I keep mail in folders arranged by project (topic) and not by pure chronological order (saved-mail-jan-93 ...), and usually by year (I rename the folder at Jan 1 manually), would it be possible to assign to folders a "maximum length" (number of messages) forcing one to rename the folder when this length is exceeded ? (VM Rice Mail had a feature like this for NOTEBOOKs) PS I am using 3.89, I do not plan to upgrade until 3.92 is out, but please do tell me if it will have some of the above features, thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 04:54:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01481; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:54:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18243; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18237; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:45:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn44S-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 04:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 10 Mar 1995 06:34:11 GMT Message-Id: <3jort3$ps1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In article <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu>, Chris Newman wrote: >discussion, we should move on to solve the technical problem: How can we >make these two models co-exist with the least pain? The answer to that depends on which "religion" you belong to. If you think that things are the same, then there cannot be any pain in treating them the same, and your question is ridiculous. If you think there is a difference, then any move to force them to be the same will be painful, and you will not see how there could possibly be any pain in treating them differently. Now, there really is an answer to your question. It's not that difficult. Here it is: They two models can coexist without pain IF those on both sides DO NOT ASSUME that their model is the only one. That means that those who write the tools must accept that there are those who think they differ, and they must write the tools to allow that difference to be maintained. The problem right now is that those writing the tools (Pine, e.g.) are steadfast in their position that there is no difference. They have written the tool to ignore any difference. This forces those who use the tools into either accepting the "no difference" paradigm, or not using the tool. There is nothing stopping those who want to treat their mail and news as the same thing even if the tools are able to, but when the tools cannot differentiate those who want to treat them differently cannot. >Solutions I've heard suggested are as follows: > >1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format >indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of >other headers. There is only one header whose meaning would change. If the flag says "mail", then "newsgroups" is undefined. It's that simple. >Personally, I find (1) overly complex for implementors. If adding a header was overly complex, there wouldn't be the plethora of X- and otherwise undefined headers there is today. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 05:35:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02477; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:35:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11643; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:27:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11637; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:27:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn4cr-00038pC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:50:11 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In-Reply-To: <3jmaj4$nn@hustle.rahul.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 9-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Rahul Dhesi@rahul.net (1256) > Once you begin to consider the semantics of the data in these files, > and what people will *do* with them, and what they will *think* > while they do it, you begin to realize the differences. Semantics derive not only from the transport mechanics but also for the organization/presentation of the material for the user. There are systems (databases of messages) that integrate lots of information from all kinds of sources. The designers of those databases and their navigation tools aim to provide the best access possible for the users of the messages. That doesn't necessarily mean that netnews has to wear a big ``netnews'' badge in those navigation tools, and that the one-true-way to present it is to run an approved newsreader that mediates all, and only, the news accesses. Open your mind just a little to allow for the possibility that the world is bigger than a few programs that specialize in netnews, and that more ambitious tools still do their darndest to play by the rules when it comes to the transport issues. There's no inherent reason to reflect the transport details to the user, as long as the concepts that ARE reflected to the user can subsume the transport details. > >Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. > How about: Everybody who is complaining about private email being > posted to Usenet? > If these complainers are such an insignificant minority of such little > importance that we can dismiss them with a comment like 'Maybe some > folks, sure', then why are we even arguing? Ignore the problem and > that's the end of it! That wasn't my point, and you know it. Or if you missed it; go back and check. Decrement your score by three. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 06:05:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03100; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19269; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:57:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19263; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:57:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn59r-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 05:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbambw@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Max) Subject: killfiles...again Date: 9 Mar 1995 18:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <3jnfua$lp1@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Help! Does anyone know the best (or only) way to set up a kilfile? Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 06:21:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03466; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:21:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19565; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:12:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19559; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:12:37 -0800 Received: from monera.newcastle.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:12:23 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:12:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Ward To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution In-Reply-To: <3jort3$ps1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Any chance of cutting this bi-directional way gateway between pine-info and comp.mail.pine and going back the way we were - sigh? -- Email: Alan.Ward@ncl.ac.uk Alan Ward FAX: +44 (0) 91 222 7736 Department of Microbiology Tel: +44 (0) 91 222 7709 University of Newcastle upon Tyne From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 06:41:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03820; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:41:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12365; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:21:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12335; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:20:57 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:17:19 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id OAA02122; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:19:28 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:19:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Lucio Chiappetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: moving multiple messages to folders In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Mar 1995, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > I wonder whether in a future > version of Pine one could have features like : > > - possibility of selecting multiple messages and saving ALL of them > into a folder (specifying the save operation and folder name just once) The current version of Pine, 3.91, has this. You need to enable it in the Configuration screen by setting the "enable-aggregate-commands" option. This then adds: a Select command (;) to select messages by various criteria (From, Subject, Date, etc); an Apply command (A) to apply commands such as Save to all the Selected messages; and Zoom (Z) to restrict the messages shown in the Folder Index to just the selected ones. > - having the "Save" command prompt you with a default folder name which > is not "saved-messages" but the name of the LAST folder used (so one > just presses return to save to it) Again, in Pine 3.91's configuration screen there is an option to do just this. Set "saved-msg-name-rule" to "last-folder-used". > - even better, given that I keep mail in folders arranged by project > (topic) and not by pure chronological order (saved-mail-jan-93 ...), > and usually by year (I rename the folder at Jan 1 manually), would > it be possible to assign to folders a "maximum length" (number of > messages) forcing one to rename the folder when this length is > exceeded ? > (VM Rice Mail had a feature like this for NOTEBOOKs) Nope. Not available in Pine. > PS I am using 3.89, I do not plan to upgrade until 3.92 is out, but please > do tell me if it will have some of the above features, thanks Pine 3.90, and subsequently Pine 3.91, have been around for ages. It really is worthwhile upgrading. I don't believe anyone has seen a date mention for 3.92 other than "soon". Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... "even" 3.91 is worth upgrading to! :-) Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 06:41:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03852; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:41:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12373; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:21:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12367; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:21:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn5W8-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:25:28 GMT Message-Id: <3jout8$f9u@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that >by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat >those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending >abusive email will give them their way. This nonsense merits correction. I sent Mr. Crispin one piece of email, which was a response to mail he sent to me. What Mr. Crispin is really complaining about, and complained to my admin about, was the comp.mail.headers gateway to the headers-people mailing list. While Mr. Crispin chose to send personal copies of every article he sent to that mailing list to me by mail directly, I did not choose to have the gateway send him anything. (In fact, had there been a way to tell the gateway to limit what Mr. Crispin received,I would have used it. There was no such option. Mr. Crispin signed on to the mailing list for a penny, he signed on for a pound. On the other side, Mr. Crispin refused to stop choosing to send me the mail he was.) Now, just what is the "submission" I am trying to force upon people? One thing. Open your world view to accept that there are people who do not view mail and news and the same thing, and who do not use mail and news for the same thing, and write the tools to allow the distinction to be made. That is, simply, accept that "same thing" is not the only viewpoint. Nobody is saying that you must accept "different" as the only way, just accept it as A way. A tool that allows users to differentiate can be used in non-differentiating mode, but the obverse is not true. The argument "people don't believe news and mail are different" just won't fly -- there are people here telling you they believe they are different. How you want to treat them is your business. Just understand that some people DON'T believe they are the same. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 06:56:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04248; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:56:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19830; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:31:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19824; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:31:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn5Yv-00038oC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 06:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: reply-to? Date: 10 Mar 95 02:44:57 GMT Message-Id: References: <3jnupj$a83@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >David L Miller wrote: >>On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Thomas wrote: >)>Is there a way to set a reply-to header using Pine? It apparently >)>understands that header on incoming mail, but I can't find any key (nor >)>information in the help and man pages) that does it. Is it even possible? >)>I'm using Pine 3.89, compiled for Linux. Thanks. >> >>Not in Pine 3.89, but there is in the current Pine 3.91 release... >You could postpone the message, suspend Pine, and edit the header of >postponed-mail. It's a pain, but it works (at least it does in 3.87, >which my site's *still* using). Why don't you get the binary from uwash and install it in your own account? >-- >Matt Messina >messina@umich.edu -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 09:11:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09836; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:11:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15063; Fri, 10 Mar 95 08:50:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15057; Fri, 10 Mar 95 08:50:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn7nO-00038CC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 08:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 10 Mar 1995 04:40:21 GMT Message-Id: <3jol7l$j29@news.ysu.edu> References: <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> In a previous article, olavk@ifi.uio.no (Olav Georg Karlsen) says: >I would like to use the norwegian characters æøå and ÆØÅ. (They might not appear >right, but should be oslash, aring, etc. (ae, oe, aa). I'm seeing this on a US-ASCII-only terminal, but I think they're right. They seem like the correct 7-bit equivalents to me for the 8-bit ISO 8859-1 characters, not a regional variant of ISO 646. (I see f, x, and e.) I'm also posting this with a newsreader which does not make use of MIME headers or Q-P encoding, so I know several people will not see the correct information. Bear with me in spite of this, please. >When i recieve mail from a person with these letters in his/her name, it >appears like this: > >From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Ole_Fredrik_=D8deg=E5rd?= > Pine does not at present decode this MIME header information, specified in some RFC which escapes me -- been away from the qomputer too long. Don't worry, this will be supported sometime, though I have no word as to whether it will make it into 3.92. >When i type these letters in the message body or receive mail containing them, they >do not appear at all on screen, but the letters ARE there, because the recipient can >read them in mail from me, and when i export my incoming mail, they appear in the >text file. This is weird, that you can see them in exported mail, meaning you have the correct font, but not within Pine -- usually you'll see things properly with Pine so long as you have an appropriate font. Is there any other information you can give? Like, perhaps, you use Pine on an X terminal, in a separate window (and thus a different font) from the window you view the exported mail? Do you see a space where the special characters should be, or are they just missing (Bjrn Ole Fredrikdegrd, for example, in the From: header you quoted above)? Give a bit more information about the specifics of your setup to help track down what's failing, please. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 09:14:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09978; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:14:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22928; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:07:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22922; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:07:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn87T-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcoy@cscwc.pima.edu (Jeff Coy Jr.) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 10 Mar 1995 05:25:21 GMT Control: cancel -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi63AHAAAAECAOzJhNSTWK8dS2Ok5KwQuHoCwq3sLfttj4wshWHTvGN/3Z1X aqGx2DaqVJj56pY5xL9VXb++S0JZexEeBH68Ju0ABRG0LUplZmZyZXkgUy4gQ295 IEpyLiA8amNveUBncmF5LmNzY3djLnBpbWEuZWR1Pg== =E6W+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 10:05:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12783; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:05:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16964; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:51:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16958; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:51:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn8oF-00038CC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Corcoran) Subject: Editing before saving to folder Message-Id: <1995Mar10.134129.5671@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:41:29 GMT Apologies if this is an old/standard question... Is there a way in pine to edit a message before saving it to a folder? I've been told that the only way to do it is to forward to message back to yourself, whence you get an opportunity to edit the message (using pico or whatever). Is there way of using pico on incoming messages before saving them? Thanks! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Corcoran, email: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (internet) Dept. of Statistics, corcoran@uk.ac.ox.stats (janet) University of Oxford, 1, South Parks Road phone: (01865) 272879 OXFORD, OX1 3TG fax: (01865) 272595 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 10:47:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15537; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:47:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25709; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:43:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25703; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:43:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn9Zw-00038RC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: PINE Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:55:47 GMT On Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:19:09 -0600, in comp.mail.pine, alauderd@MSMS.DoE.k12.MS.US (parading as Amy Lauderdale) managed to electronically scribble: % Specifically, as several others have pointed out, it asks you % if you want to post to the newsgroup. That is pretty plain for % even the most naive. But just in case it's not, pine also warns % you, "posted message may go to thousands of readers. post it?" % Surely anyone, if not sure what that means, would say no, if not % intending to send it to thousands of folks.... I am not contributing anything worthwhile to this thread but I am reminded of someone's sig file I saw. Sorry, can't remember who or where. This program posts news to billions of machines throughout the galaxy. Your message will cost the net enough to bankrupt your entire planet. As a result your species will be sold into slavery. Be sure you know what you are doing. Are you absolutely sure you want to do this? [ny] y +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 89 Days - 128227 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "640k is enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 10:53:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15862; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:53:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18633; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:47:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18627; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:47:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rn9dD-00038FC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Please help me??? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:58:09 GMT On Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:49:11 +1000, in comp.mail.pine, saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au (parading as Sean Neylon) managed to \ electronically scribble: % I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. % It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. ls -a | more This command will show all files with a . (hidden files). The more will let you read the file names before they run off the screen. % So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig % Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... % using ".sig" (or something similar) I think you need to be sure exactly what is says. Either change it in the .pinerc file or rename the .sig file. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 89 Days - 128224 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Easy as 3.14159265358979323846... | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 11:35:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18739; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:35:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27066; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:29:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27058; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:29:47 -0800 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id LAA25047; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:29:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Subject: Re: Moving multiple message to folders To: Pine Information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In Pine 3.91 I am able to perform selected file operations: First, you have to enable-aggregate-command-set in the Setup-Config screen. Then: Use the ; key to enter the Select menu. You are prompted for a select criteria (All, By Text, By number, et cet). If you select Text, you get a sub-select choice to further define your select criteria (ie. From, Subject, et cet). The selection is now complete. In order to do anything with these selected files, you must use the Apply command. Choose Apply, and you will be given another menu of choices for the Apply cmmand. Save is one of these, choose Save and specify the folder to Save to. All selected files will be saved to that folder. Done. For Example: In my network, the automated backups send notifications to me every night of their results. I want to save these messages in my "bu" folder for prosperity. I do this: 1) ; 2) Text 3) From 4) root 5) Apply 6) Save 7) bu 8) Xpunge My INBOX is cleared of all messages from root and my bu folder contains all of these messages. 12 or so keystrokes, not 36-40! -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 11:42:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19262; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:42:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27060; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:29:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27052; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:29:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnAGU-00038RC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stk@berlin.snafu.de (Stefan Kurth) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:28:31 +0100 Message-Id: <3jq5p9$a7l@unlisys.unlisys.NET> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jort3$ps1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> John Stanley wrote: > Chris Newman wrote: > > > 1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format > > indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of > > other headers. > > There is only one header whose meaning would change. If the flag says > "mail", then "newsgroups" is undefined. It's that simple. The meaning of the "References" header would change too. This isn't likely to matter in practice though (except when the stupid software does choose to let the user post a follow-up to an email message, in which case it must not treat the References header of that message as RFC 1036 References). ________________________________________________________________________ Stefan Kurth Berlin, Germany stk@berlin.snafu.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 12:42:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21933; Fri, 10 Mar 95 12:42:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21627; Fri, 10 Mar 95 12:32:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21615; Fri, 10 Mar 95 12:32:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnBJK-00038RC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 12:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: Posting to newsgroups Message-Id: References: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:29:41 GMT On 27 Feb 1995 09:48:51 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, barrt@ucs.orst.edu (parading as Tammy Barr) managed to electronically scribble: % Is there a way to send a message to a newsgroup without opening up a % specific newsgroup first? Yes. % Can you simply compose a message in Pine and direct it to one or more % newsgroups? If so, how would you address it? Just ^R in the header section, and put the newsgroup(s) on the correct line. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 90 Days - 129391 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Can I yell "movie" in a crowded firehouse?? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 13:33:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25489; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:33:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00964; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:27:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00958; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:27:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnCBc-00038qC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Wall Subject: Re: Editing before saving to a folder Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:49:39 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1995Mar10.135119.5950@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Mar10.135119.5950@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Stephen Corcoran wrote: > > Is it possible to edit a message in pine, *before* saving it > to a folder? I've been told that the only way to do this > is to forward the message to yourself whence you get an > opportunity to edit the message using pico (or whatever). > Is it possible to use pico on incoming mail before saving > it to a folder? Select the message and choose the "F"orward option. Put nothing on the To: Cc: or Bcc: lines, and change the Fcc: line to be the folder you want to save to. Then edit away and "send." Note that this is only a workaround with the side effect that the message will be From you, not the original sender. --David Wall Computing & Communications...Client Services 3-8491 Univ. of Washington HG-45 davidw@u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 13:55:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26761; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:55:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01594; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:48:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01588; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:48:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnCVg-00038oC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:32:05 GMT In article <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu>, Chris Newman wrote: > That last paragraph sounds like religion to me. I'd say that people > who claim news and email are fundamentally different are locked into a > view of the world created by having separate UIs/message-stores, and > can't see the savings in code size, user training, software > development and GUI design that come from unifying the technologies. The point of news and mail is to help people communicate, not to save code size, etcetera, etcetera. People use news and mail in completely different ways. People say things in email they would never say in any broadcast medium. Mailing lists are sort of a hybrid, yes, and they mix the issues... but mail to an individual needs to be dealt with separately from broadcast mail, no matter whether that broadcast is via a mailing list or netnews. User interfaces that hide where a message came from, or make assumptions about where a message should go, are a bad idea. > The only difference that is currently causing problems is that the > "Newsgroups" header is ascribed different meanings in different > objects. I consider this a relatively trivial difference, and one > that should be overcome. Agreed. Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Newsgroups" any user interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. Any user interface importing netnews should convert it to RFC822 first. This is technically correct, not so? You wouldn't expect to read in any other type of non-RFC822 document without converting it. If it does this conversion by converting "Newsgroups" to "Newsgroups" then it needs to do something else with the non-RFC822 "Newsgroups" line it gets in mail. > This may be the best compromise solution between the two religions. I > have a feeling we will never reach concensus on the proper meaning of > the "Newsgroups" header in email. There is no proper meaning of the "Newsgroups" header in email. User interface programs should neither put it in email, nor should they ascribe any meaning to it if they receive it in email. Both Pnews and Pine are broken here. Both should be fixed. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 13:57:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27009; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:57:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24278; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:52:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24272; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:52:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnCZN-00038HC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gweil@ibeam.jf.intel.com (Garry A. Weil) Subject: Looking for Commercial Imap mail program Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:35:46 -0800 Message-Id: I am wondering if there are any commercial imap based mail readers for Windows or Macs? Anybody know? GW -- Garry A. Weil Intel Corp. Sr. Support Engineer Indeo(R) Technology Support (800) 628-8686, 1-3-1 Developer Relations Group gweil@ibeam.intel.com Corporate Marketing Group From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 14:04:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27474; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:04:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23969; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:42:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23963; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:42:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnCOZ-00038HC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:03:09 GMT It's clear to me that both Pine and Trn, and other newsreaders that do this, are at fault here. All should be fixed. I am in the process of modifying Trn where I have it installed to send mail with X-Newsgroups unless the mail was Cc-ed from a followup. The fix is very easy... just change the definitions of MAILHEADER in common.h. Anyone else interested in protecting their customers should do the same thing. In addition, Pine should still be modified to either ignore or in some similar way flag Newsgroups in incoming mail as something not to be processed. If we can come up with some common name for this header it would help. I've used X-Newsgroups simply because it's a minimal change. Possibly something more descriptive would be better. I'm open to suggestions. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 14:31:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28826; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:31:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02440; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:22:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02428; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:22:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnD16-00038HC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mmldhaywar@aol.com (MMLDHaywar) Subject: global addressbook -- access?? Date: 10 Mar 1995 09:47:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3jpopr$g3n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Sorry if this is a repost, but I didn't see the first try in the group so I guess it didn't make it. I have the global addressbook designated {host.domain}/dir/.addressbook with permissions 664, but pine can't open it. Any suggestions? Thanks Don Hayward mmldhaywar@aol.com Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so indicated. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 14:45:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29705; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:45:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25110; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:24:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25104; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:24:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA06168; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:23:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Berkeley v Tenex mailbox formats for the INBOX To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Pine Info Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Mike - I did a similar comparison test between two identical 89 message mailboxes, differing only in format. The tenex version is 616,679 bytes, the bezerk version is 619968 bytes (the difference being in the internal data headers). On a DECSYSTEM-5000 running Ultrix, the tenex version was 1772 SZ, 400 RSS; whereas the bezerk version was 2608 SZ, 1260 RSS. It is theoretically possible that the malloc() on SGI may be doing something bizarre, such as free() being a no-op... ;-) -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 15:01:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00754; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:01:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25760; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:48:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25748; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:48:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnDP1-00038oC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Himanshu Gohel (DMIP)" Subject: PC-NFS - Host not found error! Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:03:20 GMT Message-Id: <3jntv8$rj9@mother.usf.edu> Hi, I'm trying to run PC-Pine 3.91 (same with 3.90) on a PC with PC-NFS v5.0 (have also tried v4.0a), and am having problems opening the INBOX on the unix host. But it's strange: the first time I configure the pc-pine program, everything works fine! It will ask me for a inbox path & I type in: {myhost}INBOX and pc-pine goes on to open it and shows me my mail. The NEXT time I try to run pc-pine it complains about not finding that host! (This time it has read the inbox path from the file PINERC): Host not found: myhost So I deleted the PINERC file from the configuration file and started the process again, but I get the same result! Works the first time, but not after that. I've gone through the Pine news archives for the last three months, and have noticed other people having the same problem, but no solutions. Seems like if there is a PC-NFS version of PC-PINE, someone must have got it working...please share your solutions! Thanks! Himanshu Gohel, gohel@rad.usf.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 15:11:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01181; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:11:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03487; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:04:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03481; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:04:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnDfF-00038tC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 10 Mar 1995 22:40:34 GMT Message-Id: <3jqkh2$b1j@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >There is no proper meaning of the "Newsgroups" header in email. User interface >programs should neither put it in email, nor should they ascribe any meaning >to it if they receive it in email. Both Pnews and Pine are broken here. This goes just one tiny step too far. Absence of a 'proper' meaning has never been a good reason for omitting a header. The best one can say (if that) is that Pnews should have used X-Newsgroups rather than Newsgroups -- and even that would be questionable as a rigid assertion. A News or email client can include any headers it wishes. The News or email client of the person reading the email or posting can ignore any headers it wishes. The problem occurs only if conflicting meanings get established, and that is not the case here. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 15:30:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02290; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:30:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26398; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:12:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26392; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:12:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnDmd-00038qC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:48:48 -0500 Message-Id: <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> In message <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi writes: > Not so. There is nothing religious about this. These things ought to > be decided on merit. > > The people who claim that News and email are fundamentally the same > thing are looking at only part of the picture. The people who claim > that News and email are different are looking at the whole picture. That last paragraph sounds like religion to me. I'd say that people who claim news and email are fundamentally different are locked into a view of the world created by having separate UIs/message-stores, and can't see the savings in code size, user training, software development and GUI design that come from unifying the technologies. > The differences are rather critical. If they were not, we would not > see so many complaints about email being accidentally converted into > News. QED. The only difference that is currently causing problems is that the "Newsgroups" header is ascribed different meanings in different objects. I consider this a relatively trivial difference, and one that should be overcome. > >1) Add a header which is a modal switch to the rfc822 format > >indicating a "type" (news or mail), which changes the meanings of > >other headers. > > This is technically the correct solution. Please use technical arguments rather than simple assertions. I dislike this solution because it requires decoding software to parse the headers twice -- once to find the "type" and a second time to process the headers. This is a lot of extra complexity just for the sake of retaining the current-practice context sensitive nature of the "Newsgroups" header. In addition, there would still be a need to define a new header meaning "in addition to being sent as email, this message was also posted to ...". > >2) Define a new header to mean "newsgroups from which this discussion > >originated". > > Already have it: It's 'Newsgroups:'. Please point me to an Internet document defining "Newsgroups" in that way. It would be fairly simple to define a new header like "Discussion-From:" which would list newsgroups from which the discussion originated. Such a header would be useful in news (to indicate migration of a conversation from other newsgroups) as well as email. As new newsreader software adopted this practice, users would get more functionality and shared message-store technology would become easier. > >3) Define a new header to mean "although this was sent by email, it > >was also posted to the following newsgroups". > > Already have this information: Combination of out-of-band information > (type = News) and Newsgroups: header. Not true. You have argued that the Newsgroups header has two different meanings based on the transport system. How can I get the RFC 1036 meaning of "Newsgroups" in an email message under your model? > >4) both 2 & 3, and deprecate use of "newsgroups" in mail. > > Requires change in established practice, and will take too long > to happen. Not a good idea. This may be the best compromise solution between the two religions. I have a feeling we will never reach concensus on the proper meaning of the "Newsgroups" header in email. - Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 15:34:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02705; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:34:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03967; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:22:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03961; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:22:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnE0H-00038qC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 10 Mar 1995 22:44:35 GMT Message-Id: <3jqkoj$b9s@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >I am in the process of modifying Trn where I have it installed to send mail >with X-Newsgroups unless the mail was Cc-ed from a followup.... >If we can come up with some common name for this header it would help. In my local News software, when something gets automatically reposted (to a local newsgroup), the original Newsgroups header is transformed to Orig-Newsgroups. (Likewise with some other headers.) I like Orig-Newsgroups. It tells the reader that something was in a certain newsgroup before but might be elsewhere now. It could also be used when a follow-up is posted to a different set of newsgroups, to let the reader know where the original posting was to which the follow-up is being done. >...unless the mail was Cc-ed from a followup.... Never, I hope. Posting a follow-up and also sending an identical copy in email confuses the recipient into believing he or she is getting a private message. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 15:55:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04020; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:55:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27261; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:46:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27255; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:46:57 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id PAA08173; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:46:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom16 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Can't delete incoming folder Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have one incoming folder besides my inbox. Whenever I try to delete it, I'm told that it can't be done because the folder doesn't exist. How do I get rid of it? Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 16:38:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06637; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:38:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28252; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:24:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28242; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:24:26 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA08282; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:25:28 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00548; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:23:40 +0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:23:40 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503110023.AA00548@wizard> To: gohel@rad.usf.edu Subject: Re: PC-NFS - Host not found error! Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1854 > > I'm trying to run PC-Pine 3.91 (same with 3.90) on a PC with PC-NFS v5.0 > (have also tried v4.0a), and am having problems opening the INBOX on the > unix host. > I've had this exact problem and posted a tips message on solving it. You may not have found it because I refered to it as Unknown Host rather than Host not found. Sorry. Anyway see below for my solution and let me know if you still have problems. David. ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From david Mon Mar 6 15:27:18 1995 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Tips: Windows PC-Pine hangs, and Unknown Host X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1186 Thought I'd pass on a couple solution that I encountered while installing PC-Pine under windows and with PCNFS: Running under DOS with PCNFS: Problem: Unknown Host I have managed to get PC-Pine for PCNFS to run under DOS, it was unable to locate the remote host but I freed up some main memory - it now has 5603k and it works fine (thanks to Clinton Bittel). Running under Windows with winsock.dll: Problem: Hangs opening INBOX Unfortunately, the Windows winsock version will not run. It hangs while trying to open INBOX. I upgraded the winsock.dll to Dec. 25, 1993 24576B and it no longer hangs. You may want to try a more recent version, but I've got to worry about whether it will work with my sqllink drivers. ----- End Included Message ----- Cheers, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen College, Lower Mainland BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 16:55:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07411; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:55:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06408; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:44:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06402; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:44:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnFBw-00038DC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: NETCOM REPLIES RE: PINE PROB. Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:01:31 GMT From: Netcom Support Rex Wockner writes: > As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses > (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of > pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after > the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- > and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. > > It works fine with 24 addresses. This problem did not exist previously. > I've put over 100 addresses in sometimes in the past. > > rwockner@netcom.com The 'bus error' in Pine that happens when you have more than 25 addresses in a 'To:', 'Cc:', or 'Bcc:' field is due to a bug in sendmail. We recently upgraded sendmail from version 8.6.9 to version 8.6.10, and this bug only occurs in the later version. Our system administrators are looking into the problem, and hope to resolve it soon. Until then, and in general if you want to send email to more than 25 addresses at once, we recommend using the 'massmail' program. You can find out more about this program from the manual pages. Type: man massmail at the netcom prompt. If you continue to have problems or questions, please email us or call us at (408) 983-5970 (open 24 hrs./day). Tara ___________________________________________________________________________ NETCOM On-line Communication Services Technical Support Staff 24-hour Support Line: 408-983-5970 support@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 18:09:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11309; Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:09:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01401; Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:59:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01395; Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:59:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnGPP-00038tC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: global addressbook -- access?? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:26:13 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3jpopr$g3n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jpopr$g3n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Pine does not currently support remote addressbooks... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 10 Mar 1995, MMLDHaywar wrote: > Date: 10 Mar 1995 09:47:23 -0500 > From: MMLDHaywar > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: global addressbook -- access?? > > Sorry if this is a repost, but I didn't see the first try in the group so > I guess it didn't make it. > > I have the global addressbook designated {host.domain}/dir/.addressbook > with permissions 664, but pine can't open it. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > > Don Hayward > mmldhaywar@aol.com > Mote Marine Laboratory, 1600 Thompson Parkway, Sarasota FL 34236 > Voice: 813-388-4441 Fax: 813-388-4312 > We are an independent, nonprofit marine and estuarine research and > education facility. > Opinions expressed herein are not those of MML unless specifically so > indicated. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 18:37:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12010; Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:37:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09521; Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:29:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09515; Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:29:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnGpD-00038tC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 11 Mar 1995 01:42:17 GMT Message-Id: <3jqv5p$lqi@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Chris Newman writes: >It may be standard practice, but it violates RFC 1036: Two simple rebuttals: 1. When standard practice conflicts with an RFC, the RFC is wrong. (Trust me on this one.) 2. The standard practice in question does not in fact violate RFC 1036, because it is outside the scope of this RFC. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 19:16:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12844; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:16:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02435; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:10:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02429; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:10:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnHTu-00038uC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dave Rindos Subject: Too many add's in header Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 07:20:09 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I fairly often send BRIEF messages to a fairly large mailing group (about 20 people). Right now I send them using 4 separate lists to keep the header from vastly exceeding the message. Is there any means by which I could send to the whole group at once, but repressing addresses (in other words, the way a mailing list is sent -- "multiple recipients of" format)? I assume the answer involves some use of BCC: but am not sure how to make it work. Thanks in advance! Dave -- Dave Rindos arkeo4@uniwa.uwa.edu.au 20 Herdsmans Parade Wembley WA 6014 AUSTRALIA Ph:+61 9 387 6281 (GMT+8) FAX:+61 9 387 1415 (USEST+13) [you may also reach me on rindos@perth.dialix.oz.au] Rabbits exist, hence we may speak meaningfully to the evolution of the rabbit. Some people attempt to study the evolution of human intelligence. We may well have a real problem here. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 20:03:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13900; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:03:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10775; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:58:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10769; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:58:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnIET-00038xC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Corcoran) Subject: Re: Editing before saving to folder Message-Id: <1995Mar10.160609.9397@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <1995Mar10.134129.5671@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:06:08 GMT Apologies for the multiple posts - my computer kept hanging after I clicked on send, so I couldn't tell if it had been submitted or not... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Corcoran, email: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (internet) Dept. of Statistics, corcoran@uk.ac.ox.stats (janet) University of Oxford, 1, South Parks Road phone: (01865) 272879 OXFORD, OX1 3TG fax: (01865) 272595 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 20:40:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14989; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:40:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03631; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:33:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03625; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:33:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnIn5-00038uC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcoy@cscwc.pima.edu (Jeff Coy Jr.) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:22:42 GMT Control: cancel -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi63AHAAAAECAOzJhNSTWK8dS2Ok5KwQuHoCwq3sLfttj4wshWHTvGN/3Z1X aqGx2DaqVJj56pY5xL9VXb++S0JZexEeBH68Ju0ABRG0LUplZmZyZXkgUy4gQ295 IEpyLiA8amNveUBncmF5LmNzY3djLnBpbWEuZWR1Pg== =E6W+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 20:41:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15081; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:41:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11291; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:33:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11285; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:33:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnInC-00038vC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcoy@cscwc.pima.edu (Jeff Coy Jr.) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:22:53 GMT Control: cancel -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi63AHAAAAECAOzJhNSTWK8dS2Ok5KwQuHoCwq3sLfttj4wshWHTvGN/3Z1X aqGx2DaqVJj56pY5xL9VXb++S0JZexEeBH68Ju0ABRG0LUplZmZyZXkgUy4gQ295 IEpyLiA8amNveUBncmF5LmNzY3djLnBpbWEuZWR1Pg== =E6W+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 21:56:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16967; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:56:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04782; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:53:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04776; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:53:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnK0x-00038uC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcoy@cscwc.pima.edu (Jeff Coy Jr.) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:28:35 GMT Control: cancel -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi63AHAAAAECAOzJhNSTWK8dS2Ok5KwQuHoCwq3sLfttj4wshWHTvGN/3Z1X aqGx2DaqVJj56pY5xL9VXb++S0JZexEeBH68Ju0ABRG0LUplZmZyZXkgUy4gQ295 IEpyLiA8amNveUBncmF5LmNzY3djLnBpbWEuZWR1Pg== =E6W+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 21:57:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17007; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:57:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12600; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:53:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12594; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:53:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnK1A-00038vC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jcoy@cscwc.pima.edu (Jeff Coy Jr.) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:28:45 GMT Control: cancel -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQBNAi63AHAAAAECAOzJhNSTWK8dS2Ok5KwQuHoCwq3sLfttj4wshWHTvGN/3Z1X aqGx2DaqVJj56pY5xL9VXb++S0JZexEeBH68Ju0ABRG0LUplZmZyZXkgUy4gQ295 IEpyLiA8amNveUBncmF5LmNzY3djLnBpbWEuZWR1Pg== =E6W+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 22:50:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18201; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:50:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13446; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:46:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13438; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:46:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnKpR-00038xC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 10 Mar 1995 03:14:11 GMT Message-Id: <3jog63$lbl@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <3jmaj4$nn@hustle.rahul.net> In Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes: >There are >systems (databases of messages) that integrate lots of information from >all kinds of sources.... [ need to deal with various types of "messages" ] >That doesn't necessarily mean that netnews has to wear >a big ``netnews'' badge in those navigation tools, and that the >one-true-way to present it is to run an approved newsreader that >mediates all, and only, the news accesses. But the existence of integrated databases and software cannot possibly imply that I am wrong when I admonish software authors: Don't discard useful information. Whether something is News or email is useful information. This information is definitely available until software at some point chooses to disacard it. No database, however, integrated it might be, should discard this information. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 10 22:50:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18223; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:50:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05539; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05533; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:46:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnKos-00038vC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: BCC ? Date: 10 Mar 95 02:32:31 GMT Message-Id: References: Cool Hacker writes: >[0m-- >[7mThe above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain. >[0m >[7m \\\/// >[0m / _ _ \ >[7m (| (.)(.) |) >[0m+---------------------oOOo- () -oOOo---------------------------------+ >[7m......| |......................................POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY. >[0m......| |.............__ ....__......................... Computer Eng. >[7m......| |.\ /\.. | \.../ ..| |...__.......................... >[0m......| |..\ / \..|_/..| __ ..|___|../ \../| ..****************** >[7m.__...| |...\ /====\.| \..| |..| |.| |. | .. @Barney.poly.edu >[0m.\ \_/ /.....\/ \| \..\__|..| |..\__/.._|_ .****************** >[7m+.\___/..................oooO........................................+ >[0m ( ) Oooo. >[7m \ ( ( ) >[0m \_) ) / >[7m (_/ >[0m Hey, mrcoolhacker, can the art and control chars in your sig. Notice they get eaten by the news transport anyway, so they are just irritating. Your sig is also about 6 times too long. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 04:26:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26529; Sat, 11 Mar 95 04:26:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10097; Sat, 11 Mar 95 04:20:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10091; Sat, 11 Mar 95 04:20:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnQ6w-00038zC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 04:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:23:50 -0600 Message-Id: <3jqg16$q6i@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> Chris Newman writes: > twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) writes: >> Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for >> years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response >> to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to >> apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one >> commonly in use. >It may be standard practice, but it violates RFC 1036: That is absurd. RFC1036 defines the format of usenet messages. It has nothing to say about email messages. ><2. Message Format >< >< The primary consideration in choosing a message format is that it >< fit in with existing tools as well as possible. Existing tools >< include implementations of both mail and news. >< ... >< needs of USENET. Since the Internet format is extensible, >< extensions to meet the additional needs of USENET are easily made >< within the Internet standard. Therefore, the rule is adopted that >< all USENET news messages must be formatted as valid Internet mail >< messages, according to the Internet standard RFC-822. The USENET >< News standard is more restrictive than the Internet standard, >< placing additional requirements on each message and forbidding use ><* of certain Internet features. However, it should always be possible ><* to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news ><* message. In any situation where this standard conflicts with the >< Internet standard, RFC-822 should be considered correct and this >< standard in error. >The use of the "Newsgroups" header for different purposes in mail and >news effectively violates the sentence I've marked with "*". In >addition, it clearly violates the spirit of this paragraph. Your interpretation makes no sense. Again, keep in mind that RFC1036 is defining usenet formats. It is not defining email formats. The lines you marked were not intended as a specification. They were a statement of design philosophy. The usenet standard was based on the assumption that software tools designed for email could process usenet messages. If this was a specification, then it was specifying what is allowed in usenet. >I also note that this states that USENET is a set of _extensions_ to >RFC-822. RFC1036 indicates that it is stricter than RFC822. How can it be an extension if it is a restriction? >RFC-822. Does it make sense to have two different extensions to >RFC-822 which use the same header for different purposes, particularly >if one of those extensions isn't even published? RFC822 deals mainly with syntax. The argument of pine's use of "Newsgroups:" is about semantics rather than about syntax. My email agent uses the following semantics for "To:" If the message is being composed, it is to be sent to the addresses on the "To:" header. If the message is being read, the contents of the "To:" header is informational. That is, a single mail agent can already deal with apparently conflicting semantics for "To:". Similarly, pine should be able to use alternative semantics for "Newsgroups:". The philosophy seems to be: It is too difficult to change pine to be consistent with all of the other software and all of the human users. Therefore we should keep pine the way it is, and change all of the other software and the humans who use that other software. The tail is trying to wag the dog. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 06:08:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28725; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:08:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19399; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:04:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19393; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:04:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnRhl-00038lC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 05:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kathrin@server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Kathrin Heyer) Subject: alternate-editor Date: 10 Mar 1995 18:34:41 +0100 Message-Id: <3jq2jhINNnal@server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de> Hallo, I'm a newbie in pine and I've a problem with the editor. I will utilize the alternate-editor option. How can I do this ? in hp-ux: - setenv EDITOR /usr/bin/vi - in pine-setup-menue set enable-alternate-editor-cmd set enable-alternate-editor-implicitly editor = /usr/local/bin/pico What is false ??? The change in pine from pico to alternate editor vi isn't o.K. (Unknown Command: ^_) Thank you and sorry for my bad english Kathrin -- * Kathrin Heyer Tel.: 719 3478 od. 3453 * * Mail-Adr. Internet: kathrin@rz.uni-leipzig.de * * X.400: C=DE;A=D400;P=UNI-LEIPZIG;OU=rz;S=heyer * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 06:52:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29539; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:52:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11959; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:49:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11953; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:49:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnSQA-00038eC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 06:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Re: Limitation on Distribution List Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:08:43 GMT Martin Morrison (mmorrisn@netcom.com) wrote: : I am using Pine on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a : distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus error from : Netcom. I have had to break the list into two pieces and send the : message two individual times. : Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send the : message only once? The problem started on March 3. I have e-mailed netcom repeatedly but they just ignore me. I called them and was told they are weeks behind in reading e-mail from subscribers. Pine on netcom creates this error with anything more than 24 addresses. It was not like this until March 3. Please e-mail netcom over and over until they respond to this problem. The addresses are: root@netcom.com sysadm@netcom.com support@netcom.com netmail@netcom.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 09:51:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03763; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:51:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14341; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:45:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14335; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:45:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnVCt-00038hC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Corcoran) Subject: Editing before saving to a folder Message-Id: <1995Mar10.135119.5950@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:51:18 GMT Apologies if this an old/standard question... Is it possible to edit a message in pine, *before* saving it to a folder? I've been told that the only way to do this is to forward the message to yourself whence you get an opportunity to edit the message using pico (or whatever). Is it possible to use pico on incoming mail before saving it to a folder? Thanks! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Corcoran, email: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (internet) Dept. of Statistics, corcoran@uk.ac.ox.stats (janet) University of Oxford, 1, South Parks Road phone: (01865) 272879 OXFORD, OX1 3TG fax: (01865) 272595 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 09:51:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03784; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:51:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22406; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:45:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22400; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:45:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnVBn-00038gC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Corcoran) Subject: Editing before Saving Message-Id: <1995Mar10.130407.4769@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:04:07 GMT Apologies if this is a familiar question but... I would like to be able to edit incoming mail messages before saving them to a particular folder but I have been unable to work out how to do this in pine. Is there any way to do this? Thank you! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Corcoran, email: corcoran@stats.ox.ac.uk (internet) Dept. of Statistics, corcoran@uk.ac.ox.stats (janet) University of Oxford, 1, South Parks Road phone: (01865) 272879 OXFORD, OX1 3TG fax: (01865) 272595 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 10:05:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04115; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:05:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22582; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:59:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22576; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:59:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnVJ9-00038hC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Murtaza Kamal (Liton)" Subject: Re: Auto Forward? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:34:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yes, you can forward your mail by leaving a ".forward" file which contains your forwarded address. For example, my alternate account has a .forward file in my home directory. File has only one line "mkamal@site.gmu.edu" (without qoutes) and I pick up all of my mail from site.gmu.edu account. On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Glenn E. Lanier wrote: > On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:06:16 +0700, in comp.mail.pine, rancr@mahidol.ac.th > (parading as RARC) managed to electronically scribble: > > > % Hi everybody, > > % I need to go somewhere that I cannot connect to email system for a long > % time. I want to forward my all coming mail to my friend. Could pine let me > % do this? Please tell me directly if you know. > > % Thank you very much > % Un > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | > | 04 CS Alternate: laniege@mail.auburn.edu | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Help stamp out and abolish repetitive redundancy! | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > -- murtaza kamal http://www.site.gmu.edu/~mkamal mkamal@osf1.gmu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 10:55:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05065; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:55:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23296; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:48:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23290; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:48:16 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa05764; 11 Mar 95 13:48 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA24697; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:48:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution In-Reply-To: <3jog63$lbl@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > But the existence of integrated databases and software cannot possibly > imply that I am wrong when I admonish software authors: > > Don't discard useful information. > > Whether something is News or email is useful information. This > information is definitely available until software at some point > chooses to disacard it. No database, however, integrated it might be, > should discard this information. Well - at my site, it's not Pine that is discarding any information, but trn that is responsible. It saves messages locally to what looks like a MAIL-box. Perhaps some other gateway software is loosing other information, but I've never seen Pine throw away or ignore any usefule information. And in fact, most of your complaints have been about the fact that Pine attempts to *alert* the user about information which *could* indicate that a message *may* have been sent both by mail and also posted to a newsgroup. This is very useful information to know. ( Other people have complained that when someone CC's them a copy of a publicly posted message as a courtesy, that they find it anoying to not know that information - and sometimes send a private reply before the discover that is the fact. ) The lack of any standards for indicating this, however, makes it an uncertain determination - which is why pine asks you (twice) for confirmation, if you decide to reply with a public posting. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 11:04:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05325; Sat, 11 Mar 95 11:04:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15353; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:59:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15347; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:59:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnWKI-00038WC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Noe Zamel Subject: username Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:05:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to set the username to something other than the default on UNIX pine? Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 11:38:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06317; Sat, 11 Mar 95 11:38:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23932; Sat, 11 Mar 95 11:34:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23926; Sat, 11 Mar 95 11:34:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnWvf-00038QC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 11:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mendezr@galileo.fie.us.es (Mendez Rey) Subject: Re: Please help me??? Date: 9 Mar 1995 23:43:55 +0100 Message-Id: <3ji982$g2m@galileo.fie.us.es> References: Sean Neylon (saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au) wrote: : Thankyou for reading my mail... : O.K. I wish to establish a .sig : I used pico to edit a file and I saved it .sig in my home directory. : It must be there..because I can control r (retrieve the file) manually. : So therefor I have created a file in my home directory called .sig : Now ..when I send a mail to myself...it does not pick it up.. : What am I doing wrong or what have I not done..???? : a bit of info.. : Now in the Pine config....it says in the signiture bit... : using ".sig" (or something similar) : is that the right command,,or what should I have here.. : Please,,, please someone be kind enough to email me.. : saratoga@pyromania.apana.org.au : And please remember I am a newbie...and I mean a newbie.. : So real basic language please.. : I appreciate anyone who trys to asisst me... : Thankyou for taking interest, : Sean Neylon..... I really think you must write: If you have .sig in a different directory, then try it adding a path. Excuse me if you don't understand me. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Infoalum News Gateway/Students Support Group/Univ of Seville/infoalum@cs.us.es NOTE: galileo.fie.us.es' users are currently NOT reachable directly via e-mail Please use @cs.us.es:@galileo.fie until a mail gate become available From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 13:24:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09190; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:24:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25545; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:18:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25539; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:18:03 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16308; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:05:21 -0500 Message-Id: <95031116052190@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Please help - pine for VMS X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" I've been trying to install the VMS version of PINE on an alpha for some time now. The problem I am having involves creating folders. When I try to send mail, I get a message that says: Folder "mymail" doesn't exist. Create? Y [Can't create mailbox SYSmymail: mailbox already exists] When trying to create a folder named TMP, I get a message that says: Can't create mailbox SYStmp: mailbox already exists even though there is no such mailbox. I believe the problem has to do with the assignment of the "folder-collection" variable. I've tried the suggestion of the README file that came with PINE, and tried reading the text at the HTTP site. All to no avail. If anyone who has had success with the installation of PINE for vms could tell me how they specified the folder-collection path, it would be greatly appreciated. Lonnie Ray Academic Computing Long Island University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 13:38:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09452; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:38:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17753; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:31:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17747; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:31:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnYhm-00038OC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: parkes@mbnet.mb.ca (Jim Parkes) Subject: Automated file attachment??? Date: 11 Mar 1995 05:01:49 GMT Message-Id: <3jrart$kmf@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> I would like to be able to send a mail 'package' to another person consisting of an attached file. No problem if I where to start Pine and simply create an email and attach a file. However, I would like to be able to do this from a command line, similar in nature to the elm command elm -s subject address Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09596; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:47:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17863; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:39:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17857; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:39:46 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26770; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:38:17 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Juanita Fischer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't delete incoming folder In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Look at your incoming-folder collection via the Setup/Config screen and see if there is an entry that needs deleting. -teg On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Juanita Fischer wrote: > I have one incoming folder besides my inbox. Whenever I try to delete > it, I'm told that it can't be done because the folder doesn't exist. How > do I get rid of it? Thanks in advance. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 14:06:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10034; Sat, 11 Mar 95 14:06:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26073; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:56:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26067; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:56:31 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id NAA24790; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:55:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Morrison Subject: Limitation on PINE Distribution List To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: mmorrisn@netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using PINE on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus error from Netcom. I have had to break the list into two pieces and send the message two individual times. Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send the message only once? Please send any guidance by E-mail to the above. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 15:07:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11220; Sat, 11 Mar 95 15:07:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27038; Sat, 11 Mar 95 15:04:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27032; Sat, 11 Mar 95 15:04:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnaAz-00038OC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 15:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Timothy L. Young" Subject: Vanishing USENET posts Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:42:10 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The host I am using has the 'RTIN' new reader, in which I do a lot of my news reading. If I read a messaged, then come back later to view it again, all I have to do is press the 'R' key and all previously read messages will appear again. Recently, my host has upgraded the PINE mail system to version 3.91, which includes the ability to view, and post to, the USENET groups. It is a great system, but if I previously ran across an interesting post that I'd like to reply to after reading it with the RTIN newsreader, when I enter PINE to find the article, it's gone...and I don't know how to view previously read articles so I could reply to them. Could someone please help me find the commands, or proper program SETUP in PINE, to all the viewing of all articles -- whether previously read or not?? Thanks very much, in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 16:26:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13084; Sat, 11 Mar 95 16:26:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28216; Sat, 11 Mar 95 16:21:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28210; Sat, 11 Mar 95 16:21:32 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id QAA15059; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:16:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom20 To: Terry Gray Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Can't delete incoming folder In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My config screen doesn't show an incoming folder collection. And I still can't delete the name of the nonexistent folder, whether the incoming folders option is enabled or disabled. On Sat, 11 Mar 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > Look at your incoming-folder collection via the Setup/Config screen and > see if there is an entry that needs deleting. > > -teg > > On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Juanita Fischer wrote: > > > I have one incoming folder besides my inbox. Whenever I try to delete > > it, I'm told that it can't be done because the folder doesn't exist. How > > do I get rid of it? Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 17:22:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14347; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:22:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20864; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:15:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20858; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:15:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rncBv-00038OC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill White Subject: Pine & folders Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 07:03:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. Is it possible to have pine automatically default to saving news messages into a folder which somewhat resembles the name of the newsgroup? Thank you in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 17:59:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15214; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:59:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29456; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:53:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29450; Sat, 11 Mar 95 17:53:19 -0800 Received: from misha (MISHA.INNOSOFT.COM) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #2001) id <01HO0OBVKH0G96W67R@INNOSOFT.COM>; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Portia Shao Subject: Re: Please help - pine for VMS In-Reply-To: <95031116052190@aurora.liunet.edu> X-Sender: Portia@innosoft.com To: lray@aurora.liunet.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 11 Mar 1995 lray@aurora.liunet.edu wrote: > I've been trying to install the VMS version of PINE on an alpha for some I assume this is the version from Israel? but I believe the answer is still true. In VMS MAIL you can not have empty folders, so there is no way you can just "create" a folder. The only way to "create" a folder is to put a message in there. There are several ways to do this, one is to copy/save a message there, another is to use an external utility which puts a dummy message in a folder and thus creating it. The second is what will be in PMDF's Pine 3.91 implementation when you choose the "create folder" command. The external utility works in the current PMDF's Pine 3.89 when you use fcc. (the external utility is part of PMDF and is not generally available) > time now. The problem I am having involves creating folders. When > I try to send mail, I get a message that says: > Folder "mymail" doesn't exist. Create? Y > [Can't create mailbox SYSmymail: mailbox already exists] > > When trying to create a folder named TMP, I get a message that says: > Can't create mailbox SYStmp: mailbox already exists > > even though there is no such mailbox. I believe the problem has to do with > the assignment of the "folder-collection" variable. I've tried the suggestion > of the README file that came with PINE, and tried reading the text at the > HTTP site. All to no avail. If anyone who has had success with the installation > of PINE for vms could tell me how they specified the folder-collection path, > it would be greatly appreciated. > > Lonnie Ray > Academic Computing > Long Island University > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > /portia portia@innosoft.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 18:08:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15434; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:08:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29621; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:05:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29615; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:05:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnd0I-00038OC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: docjohns@nyx.cs.du.edu (douglas johnson) Subject: Bcc: boradcast Date: 11 Mar 1995 15:39:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3jt8qg$pl2@nyx.cs.du.edu> Does anyone have any information on building a personal broadcast code where everyone is Bcc:. I looked on the online help here and I don't find Bcc: anywhere. Thanks, Doug From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 18:48:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16517; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:48:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22182; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:45:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22176; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:45:07 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21477; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:45:10 +0500 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine Subject: Re: No control key on keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 707 On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Mary Aplin wrote: > I have users who are using a Mac Plus with no control key. Is there an > alternate keystroke? Most Mac telecomm software allows users of older Macs to remap some other key (usually the Command or Option key) to act as the Control key. Pine will interpret a double-Escape as Control, but unfortunately the older Mac keyboards dont have Escape keys either... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 18:48:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16539; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:48:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22162; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:44:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22156; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:44:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rndZB-00038HC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: netcom replies Date: 10 Mar 1995 17:52:29 -0600 Message-Id: From: Netcom Support Rex Wockner writes: > As of yesterday (but never before), when I put more than 25 addresses > (from one of my pine distribution lists) into a To:, Cc: or Bcc: header of > pine, I get an error message of "bus error" or "memory fault" right after > the "sending message" notation but before the "message sent" notation -- > and the message is, in fact, *not* being sent. Please advise. > > It works fine with 24 addresses. This problem did not exist previously. > I've put over 100 addresses in sometimes in the past. > > rwockner@netcom.com The 'bus error' in Pine that happens when you have more than 25 addresses in a 'To:', 'Cc:', or 'Bcc:' field is due to a bug in sendmail. We recently upgraded sendmail from version 8.6.9 to version 8.6.10, and this bug only occurs in the later version. Our system administrators are looking into the problem, and hope to resolve it soon. Until then, and in general if you want to send email to more than 25 addresses at once, we recommend using the 'massmail' program. You can find out more about this program from the manual pages. Type: man massmail at the netcom prompt. If you continue to have problems or questions, please email us or call us at (408) 983-5970 (open 24 hrs./day). Tara ___________________________________________________________________________ NETCOM On-line Communication Services Technical Support Staff 24-hour Support Line: 408-983-5970 support@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 18:52:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16628; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:52:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00432; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:46:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00426; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:46:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnddW-00038HC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Please help - pine for VMS Message-Id: <1735F15S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95031116052190@aurora.liunet.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:00:16 GMT In article <95031116052190@aurora.liunet.edu> lray@aurora.liunet.edu writes: (presumably about Yehavi's VMS port of PINE - this is the third query I've seen from your site but at no point has anyone mentioned exaclty which package they are talking about, which version they are using, nor which tcp/ip transport method they use. On the VMS system I am talking about, we use Yehavi's port of 3.91 with MULTINET). > I believe the problem has to do with >the assignment of the "folder-collection" variable. I've tried the suggestion >of the README file that came with PINE, and tried reading the text at the >HTTP site. All to no avail. I agree that you get bizarre results if folder-collections is not defined correctly, but once I had set it to the value laid down in the README (i.e folder-collections=SYS/[] ) it worked fine on VAX/VMS. I will check with my contact who's using it on DEC ALPHA on Monday and let u know if he found anything different. You have definitely got a MAIL.MAI file, haven't you? People who never used VMS MAIL before will not have this mail database. He told me that he had to turn his VMS MAIL forwarding off and send himself a mail to create his MAIL.MAI before his first success with VMS PINE. I'm sure you'll get it sorted...it works for us. Perhaps you'd email your .PINERC (and PINE.CONF, if used) files to me and I'll tell you if I see anything wrong. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 19:06:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16976; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:06:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22401; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:01:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22393; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:01:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rndoR-00038HC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: official PINE; where? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:03:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The official Pine distribution site is ftp.cac.washington.edu. There are no official mirror sites. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 8 Mar 1995, Ulrich Windl wrote: > Date: 08 Mar 1995 08:25:17 GMT > From: Ulrich Windl > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: official PINE; where? > > Very easy: Where is the official PINE source located, and where are > mirror sites? > > Please reply per EMail! > > Ulrich > -- > Ulrich Windl > Universitaet Regensburg, Rechenzentrum DV-med > Franz-Josef-Strauss-Allee 11 > D-93042 Regensburg, Germany > %%[PGP 2.3a Public Key on at least one European key server]%% > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2D2zN/IU4uTDdHNAQHddgH7BtwJPAbDd454LnHBX8IE5JA/dF3MlitE GwtQu874jVvBqN+yROwmbfuW7TgtnbQU/CJPT2RUfQCeVSNKkkx6ag== =G3rO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 19:18:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17222; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:18:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00818; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:14:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00812; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:14:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rne0V-00038HC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 19:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:53:09 -0500 Message-Id: <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jloq9$99r@hustle.rahul.net> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > The point of news and mail is to help people communicate, not to save code > size, etcetera, etcetera. People use news and mail in completely different > ways. People say things in email they would never say in any broadcast > medium. Giving users a unified model of news, mail, etc. and saving them the need to train to use N different client interfaces helps them communicate. I certainly don't use news and mail in completely different ways. I say the same sorts of things in email mailing lists and netnews newsgroups. I use the same client to both read and send to personal email, mailing lists, netnews, and local bboards. In this system, unmoderated news (anybody posts, nobody writes, everybody reads) and "personal" mail (anybody posts, only I write, only I read) are but two extremes of a wide range of possible access control restrictions that can be placed on any given hierarchically named collection of messages. > Mailing lists are sort of a hybrid, yes, and they mix the issues... but > mail to an individual needs to be dealt with separately from broadcast > mail, no matter whether that broadcast is via a mailing list or netnews. Mailing lists are a counterexample to your claim that people use news and mail in completely different ways. Mailing list addresses are indistinguishable from "personal" email addresses. How is a UA supposed to deal with the two separately? There are people working on extensions to NNTP to support authentication, permitting access control on netnews newsgroups. A netnews group access-restricted to five users is not a "broadcast medium" in the sense you use. Any user intending to post to such a group and finding their message on a big-7 group is going to be just as upset as these Pine users with misdirected replies. > User interfaces that hide where a message came from, or make assumptions > about where a message should go, are a bad idea. By this argument, using the contents of the From, Reply-To, To, CC, Newsgroups, or Followup-To headers when deciding where a responding message should go is a bad idea. > Agreed. Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Newsgroups" any user > interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Content-Type", any user interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. > You wouldn't expect to read in any > other type of non-RFC822 document without converting it. RFC 1036 messages conform to RFC822, modulo a nit concerning destination headers. > It's clear to me that both Pine and Trn, and other newsreaders that do this, > are at fault here. All should be fixed. Certainly all should be "fixed", in the name of pragmatism if nothing else. Neither just fixing Pine nor just fixing Trn is going to fix the problem in both the short and long term. > If we can come up with some common name for this header it would help. I've > used X-Newsgroups simply because it's a minimal change. Possibly something > more descriptive would be better. I'm open to suggestions. In-Reply-To is one posssibility, that header allows random junk. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 23:15:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01275; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:15:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03144; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:28:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03138; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:28:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rngy4-00038CC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 12 Mar 1995 00:47:32 GMT Message-Id: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> References: In article , Steven D. Majewski wrote: > Pine does not ascribe any meaning or make any assumptions about >the meaning of a "Newsgroups:" header line. It asks the user what >he/she wants to do about it. ( And then it asks "are you sure..." ) If you ask the user, then you are assuming it has some meaning. Since it has none in mail, Pine is making an incorrect assumption. Does Pine ask the user what to do about every undefined header it finds? > It is the fact that there is no standard context-free meaning for >the "Newsgroup:" line that makes it impossible for Pine to make any >assumptions - which would be real useful, as it could then prevent >users from asking it to do the "wrong" thing ( or at least ask them >ONE MORE TIME: "are you sure..." ) There is no standard context-free meaning to anything. This fact does not make it impossible for assumptions to be made. >meaning to the existence of that line. It's meaning is ambiguous: >The message might be a News posting or it might be a private message >in reply to a public new posting ( or it might have been sent via >both channels. ) So the only reasonable action for any program is to No, there is another reasonable action: keep track of the source of the message. If the message is mail, then remember that. If the message is news, remember that. Whether that "remembering" comes in the form of a Pine-specific X-header, or some other method, is irrelevant. Pine can know "I got this message out of the user's inbox -- it's mail. I'll put a tag on it so I can remember that, even if I put it in a folder somewhere and look at it later." Or, "I had to ask NNTP for this message, it's news." The only thing stopping that "memory" being implemented is that the people who write the code for Pine don't want to accept that some people view mail and news as different tools. >ask the user to decide, based perhaps on other clues in the message text. The user shouldn't be forced to guess at information that Pine had and threw away, based on "clues" that usually aren't there. (Quick, just based on the body of this article, did I mail it to you or did I post it? Mark Crispin couldn't tell the difference. How will you?) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 23:17:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02091; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:17:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24892; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:28:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24886; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:28:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnh19-00038DC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 05:20:32 GMT Message-Id: <3ju0b0$o4t@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jog63$lbl@hustle.rahul.net> In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >Well - at my site, it's not Pine that is discarding any information, >but trn that is responsible. It saves messages locally to what looks >like a MAIL-box. It's actually doing the right thing: converting the Usenet postings into email format, so they may be later treated as email. Once a Usenet posting has been moved into your private collection, it should be treated as email. Post no follow-ups to it. Usenet is a game played in context. Please see another posting from me expanding on this idea. >And in fact, most of your complaints have been >about the fact that Pine attempts to *alert* the user about information >which *could* indicate that a message *may* have been sent both by mail >and also posted to a newsgroup. This is truly the problem: Taking an email message and creating doubt in the reader's mind that it might be a Usenet posting. It absolutely does not matter if the same email message might also have been posted to Usenet by its author. If what one has in one's mailbox is what arrived by email, treat it as email. If one wishes to post a follow-up, one posts a follow-up to the specific copy that's in the News spool area. Please see more about this in the aforementioned separate posting. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 11 23:39:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02632; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:39:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24725; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:13:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24719; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:13:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rngkP-00038CC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 22:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 12 Mar 1995 05:10:44 GMT Message-Id: <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> In <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley) writes: >No, there is another reasonable action: keep track of the source of the >message. If the message is mail, then remember that. If the message is >news, remember that. Agreed with everything else you said, and the above too, but I will add this: Once a Usenet posting has been transferred to the user's private area, treat it as email. Post no follow-ups to it. And to add more context, here is a saved posting. Rahul Dhesi ===== begin saved posting ===== Date: 24 Nov 94 13:34:10 GMT From: Rahul Dhesi Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine Subject: Re: ...defeat posting prompt...my final word. In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: >I really believe that most people have a different cognitive map of >mail, which comes to you, and news, which you go get. This is a *very* elegant statement. After some thinking, I have come to realize that - Newsgroups: header in email - Offer to post a reply to Usenet - News == email or News != email are all side issues. The real issue is this: Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should be derived from it. I'm reminded of a number of sports in which the ball is "alive" (in play) from a certain moment to a certain moment, and one may score points during that time. After some amount of play, the ball is "dead" and no more points may be scored until it becomes alive again. Well, Usenet is like that. One does not followup to a "dead" Usenet posting, one that has been plucked from the Usenet context and put into one's personal folder. Usenet is a game played in context. One follows up only to a "live" posting, one that has not yet become "dead". Nothing arriving by email is a Usenet posting (though it might be a "dead", i.e., saved, copy.) Nothing in one's personal files is a Usenet posting (thought it might be a "dead", i.e., saved copy). Pine wants to score points after the ball is dead. -- Rahul Dhesi ===== end saved posting ===== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 00:03:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03359; Sun, 12 Mar 95 00:03:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04493; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:58:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04487; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:58:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rniOT-00038CC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pyw100@cac.psu.edu (Patrick Wang) Subject: Running PCPINE w/o network stuff? Date: 12 Mar 1995 07:46:35 GMT Message-Id: <3ju8sr$a1h@hearst.cac.psu.edu> I just basically want a quick mail reader since I've stored my archived mail on my PC rather than on my UNIX account to save space... I don't need to send or receive mail... just for reading and searching... is there some method of getting it to work without any network setup at all? -- --------------| My only cow died, so I don't need your bull |---------------- Patrick Wang http://cac.psu.edu/~pyw100 State College, Pennsylvania Sysop of The Electronic Forest PatrickWang@psu.edu The Bell Atlantic Technology Grant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 01:43:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06691; Sun, 12 Mar 95 01:43:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27795; Sun, 12 Mar 95 01:30:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27789; Sun, 12 Mar 95 01:30:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnjtr-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 01:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 12 Mar 1995 09:25:01 GMT Message-Id: <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi wrote: >are all side issues. The real issue is this: > > Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news > "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") > is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it > becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should > be derived from it. That's an unfortunate point of view that would preclude offline readers from posting followups. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 02:53:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08217; Sun, 12 Mar 95 02:53:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07124; Sun, 12 Mar 95 02:47:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07118; Sun, 12 Mar 95 02:47:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnl9P-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 02:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 12 Mar 1995 09:45:45 GMT Message-Id: <3jufs9$5sn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >> After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it >> becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should >> be derived from it. >That's an unfortunate point of view that would preclude offline readers >from posting followups. So long as offline reading of News is equivalent to a type of caching, it will have no adverse effect on the result. As soon as ofline reading of News becomes a synonym for treating everything as email, either no followups are permitted or we have very confused users. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 04:05:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10314; Sun, 12 Mar 95 04:05:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29585; Sun, 12 Mar 95 03:59:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29579; Sun, 12 Mar 95 03:59:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnm71-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 03:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 11 Mar 1995 21:43:29 GMT Message-Id: <3jt5i1$aoa@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu> John Gardiner Myers wrote: >peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >> The point of news and mail is to help people communicate, not to save code >> size, etcetera, etcetera. People use news and mail in completely different >> ways. People say things in email they would never say in any broadcast >> medium. > >Mailing lists are a counterexample to your claim that people use news >and mail in completely different ways. Mailing list addresses are Wrong. Mailing lists are a counterexample to the claim that "all people use mail in completely different ways, always." No one made that claim. >indistinguishable from "personal" email addresses. How is a UA >supposed to deal with the two separately? There's no need to deal with the two separately. You shouldn't post messages you got on a mailing list either. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 05:19:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12713; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:19:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09332; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:14:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09326; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:14:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnnJR-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jenh@netcom.com (Intermac) Subject: Source Code for Pine Message-Id: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:43:20 GMT Could anybody tell me where to ftp the source code for Pine? Thanks. Jenny Huang jenh@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 05:38:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13196; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:38:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01310; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:33:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01304; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:33:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnngU-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 05:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jenh@netcom.com (Intermac) Subject: Pine Source Code Message-Id: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:55:49 GMT Does anyone know where I can FTP the complete source code for Pine? Thanks. Jenny Huang jenh@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 06:07:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13681; Sun, 12 Mar 95 06:07:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09891; Sun, 12 Mar 95 06:01:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09869; Sun, 12 Mar 95 06:00:59 -0800 Received: from horn by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18356 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 15:00:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 14:59:21 +0100 (CEST) From: "N.J. van der Horn" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe --- nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 07:54:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15652; Sun, 12 Mar 95 07:54:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11284; Sun, 12 Mar 95 07:48:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11278; Sun, 12 Mar 95 07:48:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnpmQ-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 07:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Selcuk Ozturk Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:52:13 EST Message-Id: <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> References: <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> In-Reply-To: your message of Sun Mar 12 02:43:47 1995 I don't want to add to this already long and boring thread. But, after all these post about how broken Pine is, I feel the need to tell the development team that I like what Pine does. Please, do not change it in a restrictive direction. It is *MY* business how I will treat news and email, or saved news messages. I hate the idea that a computer program decides what I do. The program is only a tool. It should give me as many options as possible and *I* will decide what I will do. Pine just does that now, and I am happy with that. Keep up the good work, Selcuk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 08:21:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16292; Sun, 12 Mar 95 08:21:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03420; Sun, 12 Mar 95 08:15:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03414; Sun, 12 Mar 95 08:15:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnqBF-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 08:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:50:10 -0500 Message-Id: <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce) writes: > Furthermore, given that it has been standard practice for > years to include a "Newsgroups" header in a private response > to a Usenet post, it is downright foolish for an agent to > apply a meaning to that header that differs from the one > commonly in use. It may be standard practice, but it violates RFC 1036: <2. Message Format < < The primary consideration in choosing a message format is that it < fit in with existing tools as well as possible. Existing tools < include implementations of both mail and news. < ... < needs of USENET. Since the Internet format is extensible, < extensions to meet the additional needs of USENET are easily made < within the Internet standard. Therefore, the rule is adopted that < all USENET news messages must be formatted as valid Internet mail < messages, according to the Internet standard RFC-822. The USENET < News standard is more restrictive than the Internet standard, < placing additional requirements on each message and forbidding use <* of certain Internet features. However, it should always be possible <* to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news <* message. In any situation where this standard conflicts with the < Internet standard, RFC-822 should be considered correct and this < standard in error. The use of the "Newsgroups" header for different purposes in mail and news effectively violates the sentence I've marked with "*". In addition, it clearly violates the spirit of this paragraph. I also note that this states that USENET is a set of _extensions_ to RFC-822. Does it make sense to have two different extensions to RFC-822 which use the same header for different purposes, particularly if one of those extensions isn't even published? - Chris - Chris "http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/cn0h/" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 09:27:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17985; Sun, 12 Mar 95 09:27:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12430; Sun, 12 Mar 95 09:17:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12424; Sun, 12 Mar 95 09:17:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnrBl-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 09:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) Subject: Different Usercodes with IMAP Date: 9 Mar 1995 14:31:07 GMT Message-Id: Hi, Have I missed something obvious, or isn't it possible to save into your .pinerc what usercode you want to use for IMAP (or rsh IMAP for that matter)? -- Cheers, Jason +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790577 | | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | | Basingstoke, Hampshire | | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 13:02:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22801; Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:02:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07274; Sun, 12 Mar 95 12:59:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07268; Sun, 12 Mar 95 12:59:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnuYf-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 12:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: International character sets Message-Id: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 20:03:55 GMT In article ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Robert E Adams) writes: >Do not use them. Use only the standard character set for >your terminal type, based on an old mainframe terminal. Just keep chipping away at those stone tablets: these quill pens and papyrus are highly overrated... >They do not recognize more modern character sets, and will >not print them properly. That's one of the purposes of MIME's quoted-printable, to exchange documents between consenting 8-bit platforms in a way that will not be harmed by 7-bit data paths. It stands to reason that if your platform does not support the character glyphs in question, then you cannot display them, directly. But it is not completely clear from what the poster wrote that their terminal or terminal emulation is fundamentally incapable of displaying these characters: maybe they have simply failed to set it up correctly (as happens if I set my terminal emulator up for UK-ASCII and tell PINE wrongly that it is set for US-ASCII). Check the manual for your terminal (or terminal emulation software) to find out how to put it into ISO8859-1 mode. it's no use configuring PINE to use ISO8859-1 unless the terminal does the correct thing when receiving this code. In general, if you and your correspondent both have proper compliant platforms, you have every right to want to interchange mail using all your available characters, and PINE (with MIME encoding) is an excellent way to do that, Don't expect it to work on usenet, though. MIME compliance is a rarity, so far, in news reader software. As for the poster's comments about national characters being included in email addresses. What is legal in email addresses is laid down by RFC822. I don't suppose you are allowed to have national characters as elements in email addresses. This part of the mail interchange is not included in the MIME encoding. >I always adapt. If I am talking British money, I write >out 'pounds sterling' or use # or LB that most people there >would understand. Their pound sterling symbol is likely not >to print or display on the receiving end. PINE with MIME do this perfectly fine. PINE switches into quoted-printable, declares in the header that it's using ISO8859-1, and represents our pound-sterling sign as =A3. LB is definitely wrong, by the way - that's for pounds weight, not Pounds Sterling, which is best abbreviated as GBP (GB being the ISO code for United Kingdom), although UKL is also understood by those with a little classical education. However, I digress. At the receiving end if the platform is compliant it displays the pound sterling. If it does not support MIME it displays =A3 (the hexadecimal escape code for the ISO8859-1 code point). If it supports MIME but does not support ISO8859-1 (for example, it only supports US-ASCII), PINE displays a warning. Your advice about avoiding national characters is still valid for many situations. Comp.mail.pine is one of the few places where this advice can be deprecated... ;-) regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 13:59:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24374; Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:59:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16131; Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:57:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16125; Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:57:12 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11130; Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:57:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Jason Haar Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Different Usercodes with IMAP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alas, not yet. -teg On 9 Mar 1995, Jason Haar wrote: > Hi, > > Have I missed something obvious, or isn't it possible to save into your > .pinerc what usercode you want to use for IMAP (or rsh IMAP for that matter)? > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Jason > +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ > | Jason Haar, European SysAdmin Phone: + 44 (256) 790577 | > | Motorola Cellular Subscriber Fax: + 44 (256) 790519 | > | Basingstoke, Hampshire | > | RG21 1PL, ENGLAND Internet: jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com | > +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 15:01:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25631; Sun, 12 Mar 95 15:01:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16969; Sun, 12 Mar 95 14:58:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16963; Sun, 12 Mar 95 14:58:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnwT6-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 14:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 21:58:09 GMT Message-Id: <3jvqph$mkl@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Selcuk Ozturk wrote: >the development team that I like what Pine does. Please, do not change >it in a restrictive direction. It is *MY* business how I will treat >news and email, or saved news messages. I hate the idea that a computer >program decides what I do. The program is only a tool. It should give >me as many options as possible and *I* will decide what I will do. Take that to its logical conclusion: Pine should always ask whether you want to post a followup article whether the original discussion took place in mail or news. You will not get much support for that idea. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 16:04:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26845; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:04:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09854; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:00:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09847; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:00:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnxUU-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 15:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Robert E Adams) Subject: Re: Reading WP 5.1 file into Pine Message-Id: References: <3jj4hj$hb0@everest.pinn.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:27:55 GMT Tom Cole (tomc@pinn.net) wrote: : I would like to know the correct way to read this type of ASCII text file : into the body of a email message----I use (Pine 3.91). : When I put (^R) read rather long files inside Pine it gets to be a pain : to have to move the cursor to the beginning of the text file and do a ^J : format (justify) all the way down to eliminate word wrap, double spaces, : control characters, etc. : Is there a better way to do this? -- You need to do this because the files you are retrieving with ^R contain long lines. They have likely been created in a word processor, which when saving as ascii or DOS text has not put a carriage return at the end of each screen line, Actually, I make sure all my text is less that the 79 or 80 characters I can display on screen. If I prepare a document with a word processor, I save it as ascii, then finish formatting it in a text editor (memacs) in a width like you see here. It is also easier to read on-screen. I make sure all files in my /home directory are formatted properly when I place them there. When they are retreived with ^R, they fit in perfectly, with no reformatting (^J) needed. Bob, %% Bob Adams ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca %%%%% HRD %%%%%%%% PUB REL %%%%%% % Adams Assoc (902) 456-0761 % TRAINING DACUM % % adams@ra.isisnet.ca % EDITING HTML % % Inexpensive services % GRAPHICS GAME ANIMS ART % % provided over the internet % Space LEASING Real Est PROFORMAS % %%%%%%%%%%% http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~ac200/adams.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Visit my home page for CIAU Mens Basketball From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 16:21:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27164; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:21:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18117; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:18:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18111; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:18:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnxol-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pyw100@wileypost.cac.psu.edu (Patrick Wang) Subject: Re: Where's the PINE? Date: 13 Mar 1995 00:15:19 GMT Message-Id: <3k02qn$kh3@hearst.cac.psu.edu> References: <3k01id$53v@remus.wat.hookup.net> Thomas Schroecher (schroect@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE) wrote: : hey everyone...can anyone tell me if there's a set of precompiled binaries : flying around out there for FreeBSD 2.0???? If so, could you please pointg : me in the right direction....thanx very much. archie for it. look for it at ftp.cdrom.com in the FreeBSD.../mail dir. --------------| My only cow died, so I don't need your bull |---------------- Patrick Wang http://cac.psu.edu/~pyw100 State College, Pennsylvania Sysop of The Electronic Forest PatrickWang@psu.edu The Bell Atlantic Technology Grant From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 16:37:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27629; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:37:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10282; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:28:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10274; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:28:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnxuV-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Filtering Mail FAQ Date: 12 Mar 1995 16:56:53 GMT Message-Id: Archive-name: mail/filtering-faq Posting-frequency: approximately monthly Last-modified: 17 November 1994 _____________________________________________________ _________| |_________ \ | | / \ | FILTERING MAIL FAQ | / \ | | / \ | | / / | Copyright (c) 1994 Nancy McGough | \ / | | \ / |_____________________________________________________| \ /____________) (___________\ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0.0 About this Article ... 0.1 Copyright Notice ... 0.2 Acknowledgements ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders 2.0 Procmail ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail ... 2.5 Procmail References 3.0 Filter ... 3.1 Setting up Filter ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail ... 3.3 Filter References 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 0.0 About this Article Q: How can I have my incoming mail messages automatically put into an appropriate folder? This is one of the most frequently asked questions about email. This article is the first release of an FAQ that addresses this question. This version gives basic instructions for how to set up either procmail or Elm's filter to filter incoming mailing list messages. Future versions of this FAQ will include instructions for doing other things like automatically replying to certain messages. If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the Elm and filter developers recommend procmail over filter. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.1 Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 1994 by Nancy McGough. No portion of this work may be sold or put to commercial use without express written consent of the author. This restriction covers publication in any form, or distribution by any method, which permits this work to be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of any machine or device. Permission is granted to republish or redistribute this article in its entirety for noncommercial use if this copyright notice is not removed or altered. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.2 Acknowledgements Thanks to these people who sent suggestions: David L. Miller Cookie Monster Jim Showalter David W. Tamkin Rick Troxel Stephen R. van den Berg Syd Weinstein Special thanks to: Thomas A. Fine for setting up and maintaining the hypertext archive of FAQs. Congratulations to him for winning O'Reilly and Associates' "The Best of the Net" award! Please let me know if I've left you, or anyone else, out of this list. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.3 Terminology and Notation Term Meaning ==== ======= FTP File Transfer Protocol HTML HyperText Markup Language HTTP HyperText Transport Protocol mailer Mail user agent (MUA) such as Pine or Elm pico PIne COmposer - friendly editor that's part of the Pine package RFC Internet "Request For Comments" document URL Uniform Resource Locator (specified in RFC1630) ^x Press the Ctrl key and then, while holding down the Ctrl key, press the x key ~ Your home directory $HOME (see * below) * In this article I use ~ (tilde) to mean your home directory. Note that some shells, such as the Bourne shell (sh), do not understand the tilde notation so you will need to use $HOME instead. You can always get to your home directory by typing ``cd''. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:40 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.4 Getting the Latest Version of This Article If this article is over two months old then there is probably an updated version of it in all the usual archives. Please get the latest version from one of these places: World Wide Web (the nicest format for online reading!): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html Anonymous FTP: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq Email: Send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu containing the following: send usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq UUCP: uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.5 Reading the Hypertext Version of This Article The best way to read this FAQ (and most other FAQs too) is to view the hypertext version using a Web browser such as Lynx, Mosaic, Netscape, WinWeb, or Cello. This will allow you to easily jump: * between subjects in this article * to a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) * to an Internet Request For Comments document (RFC) * to some manual pages This, and all FAQs that are crossposted to news.answers, can be accessed through: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html This particular FAQ is at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:00:60 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 0.6 Reading the Plain Text Version of This Article If you are reading the plain text version (i.e., not the hypertext version) of this FAQ it is in RFC1153 digest format which means each subject is formatted as a mini mail message with its own Date, From, and Subject (and sometimes Followup-To) headers. Some newsreaders and mailers make it really easy to jump to a subject in an article that is in digest format. Here are instruction for some newsreaders: * NN's default is to split a digest and present each digest item on the menu. If you have changed the default by putting ``set split off'' in your ~/.nn/init file then you can split an article that is in digest format by typing G% while viewing it. This will present each digest item on a submenu. You can then read, followup-to, save, print, etc. individual digest items. * In trn (and its relatives like rn and strn) you can type ^g (Ctrl key and g key pressed together) to skip to the next line that begins with "Subject: " * In emacs GNUS, C-c C-n will skip to the next digest article (C-C C-p will go back to the previous digest article). If your newsreader or mailer does not have a built-in command that allows you to easily read a digest you can pipe the article to ``formail -ds'' which will split the article into separate mail messages, and then you can use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders) to read the folder. For example, here's what you would do in Tin while viewing the article: Type... In order to... ------- -------------- | Pipe a Specify the article is to be piped formail -ds >> ~/mail/faq.split Split the digest into individual messages and put them in a file named ~/mail/faq.split. (Replace ~/mail with your folder directory.) pine -if faq.split Use Pine to read the newly created folder. For more information see the formail(1) man pages. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:01:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 1.0 Naming Your Incoming Mail Folders For my incoming mail folders I use names that start with ``IN''. For example, I put mail sent to the procmail mailing list into a folder named IN.procmail. I do this so that when all my folders are listed alphabetically the incoming folders are together and near the top. They are near the top because Unix is case sensitive and upper case letters come before lower case letters in an ascii sort. Of course, you can use any names you like for your mail folders. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 2.0 Procmail Procmail is a powerful mail processor that can be used to process your mail messages either as they arrive or after they are in a mail folder. This version of the FAQ describes the basics of setting up procmail to filter incoming mailing list messages. To find out how to process existing mail folders see the NOTES section of the procmail(1) man page. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.1 Setting Up Procmail 1] Find out if procmail is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using csh type: which procmail Or if you are using sh or ksh type: type procmail If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``whereis'' and ``where''. If your system doesn't have procmail ask your system administrator to install it. If your sys admin isn't able to do this, use a different mail processor like deliver, mailagent, or filter (described in part 2 of this FAQ). 2a] Create ~/.procmailrc. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd pico .procmailrc 2b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.procmailrc. Note that lines that begin with # are comments and are ignored by procmail. #Set on when debugging VERBOSE=off #Replace ``mail'' with your mail directory (Pine uses mail, Elm uses Mail) MAILDIR=$HOME/mail #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders 3] Create the directory where you will store your procmail log and rc files (this is $PMDIR that you set above). cd mkdir .procmail 4a] Create an rc (run commands) file for testing: cd cd .procmail pico rc.test 4b] Enter the following in ~/.procmail/rc.test: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing Note that the first line contains a zero (0), not the letter "oh". For now, don't worry about the meaning of this recipe. It is explained in the subject "Explanation of Test Recipe" below. 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #nancym" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include all the quotes, both double (") and single ('). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for procmail (see step 1). * Replace ``nancym'' with your userid. You need to put your userid in your .forward so that it will be different than any other .forward file on your system. * Do NOT use environment variables, like $HOME, in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file: If procmail resides below your home directory write out the *full* path. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your $LOGFILE (~/.procmail/log) to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these three files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.procmailrc ~/.procmail/rc.test * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.procmailrc so that it contains: VERBOSE=on And repeat steps 6 and 7. If you are still having problems see the subject "Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail" below. 8a] Once you have successfully tested procmail in steps 6 and 7, create rc.folders for filtering incoming messages into mail folders. cd cd .procmail pico rc.folders 8b] Enter a modified version of the following in ~/.procmail/rc.folders :0: * ^TOwww-talk IN.www-talk :0: * ^TOprocmail IN.procmail The first recipe filters the www-talk mailing list and the second recipe filters the procmail mailing lists The meaning of the first recipe is as follows: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^TO Match ``To:'' ``Cc:'' or other synonyms for To at the beginning of a line, followed by any or no characters, followed by.... www-talk ``www-talk'' IN.www-talk If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.www-talk Create a recipe for each of your mailing lists. Make sure that you use ``^TO'' with no space between the caret (^) and the word ``TO'', and that both letters are capitalized -- if you don't it won't work. Note that ^TO is not a normal regular expression. It is a special procmail expression that is designed to catch any destination specification. See the MISCELLANEOUS section of the procmailrc(5) man page for details. For examples, see procmailex(5) man page. 9] Repeat steps 6 and 7 to make sure that things are still working. 10] Comment out the rc.test line in you .procmailrc file so that it looks like this: VERBOSE=off MAILDIR=$HOME/mail PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log # INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.test INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.folders Note that it's useful to leave the rc.test line there for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail There is a useful script, which is part of the procmail package, for checking your procmail log file called mailstat. Check to see if it is on your system by typing either ``which mailstat'' or ``type mailstat''. If it's on your system type: mailstat $HOME/.procmail/log This displays a concise version of your log file and moves your log file to log.old. You may want to put the above line in your .login so that each time you log in you will see a listing of how many messages you've received since the last time you ran mailstat, and what folders these messages were delivered to. You can get a mailstat listing of log.old by using the -o flag: mailstat -o $HOME/.procmail/log If mailstat is not on your system ask your system administrator to install it. It is located with all the other procmail tools at: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.3 Explanation of Test Recipe The recipe we used for testing is: :0: * ^Subject: .*test IN.testing The meaning of this recipe is: Notation Meaning ======== ======= :0 Begin a recipe : Use a lock file * Begin a condition ^ Match the beginning of a line followed by.... Subject: ``Subject:'' followed by.... . a space followed by any character (.) followed by.... * 0 or more of preceding character (any character in this case) followed by.... test ``test'' IN.testing If successful match, put in folder $MAILDIR/IN.testing ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:40 GMT From: "Stephen R. van den Berg" Subject: ... 2.4 Troubleshooting: Alternate .forward Files for Procmail If the .forward template in 5b above doesn't work the following alternatives might be helpful: In a perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In an almost perfect world: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In another world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" In a different world: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail USER=nancym" In a smrsh world: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail #nancym" These formats can be tried in different combinations, the leading "| can be tried as |" instead, or vice versa. Some systems do not need a .forward file (i.e., having a .procmailrc file suffices if procmail already is the local delivery agent). ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:02:50 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 2.5 Procmail References Manuals: procmail(1) - autonomous mail processor procmailrc(5) - procmail rc file procmailex(5) - procmail rc file examples procmailsc(5) - procmail weighted scoring techique egrep(1) - search file for regular expression (procmail uses egrep-style regular exprssions along with some of its own expressions like ^TO) formail(1) - mail reformatter sendmail(8) - send mail over the internet Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc Mailing List: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subscribe to the procmail mailing list by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: subscribe Procmail Archives: Get a list of files available at the procmail mail server by sending mail: To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive ls Get Best of the Procmail mailing list by sending mail (you'll need gzip and a MIME-decoder to unpack it): To: procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: archive get best_of_procmail_list* ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 3.0 Filter Filter is part of the Elm package of tools. Note that you can use filter to filter your incoming mail even if you are not using Elm to read your mail. IMPORTANT NOTE ============== If your system has both procmail and filter installed then you should use procmail which is *much* more robust and powerful than filter. This recommendation is almost universal; even the developers of Elm and Filter recommend procmail over filter. IT IS POSSIBLE TO LOSE MAIL MESSAGES WHEN USING FILTER; this is rare but it has happened. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:10 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.1 Setting up Filter Followup-To: comp.mail.elm 1] Find out if filter is on your system and what the full path to it is. If you are using the C shell (csh) type: which filter Or, if you are using the Korn shell (ksh) or the Bourne shell (sh) type: type filter If neither ``which'' nor ``type'' are on your system try ``where'' and ``whereis''. If your system doesn't have filter ask your system administrator to install it; or even better ask her to install procmail. 2] Note the full path of your home directory by typing: cd pwd 3a] Create ~/.elm/filter-rules. (Note that throughout this article I use pico for editing files. Replace ``pico'' with your editor.) cd mkdir .elm cd .elm pico filter-rules 3b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.elm/filter-rules if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path (see step 2). Replace /Mail with the name of the directory where your mail folders are stored. Pine and Berkeley Mail use /mail (lower case m) and Elm uses /Mail (upper case M). 4] To see what the filter rule will do type the following at your Unix prompt: filter -r 5a] Create a ~/.forward file by typing the following. (Pico's -w flag tells pico not to auto wrap lines.) cd pico -w .forward 5b] Enter a modified version of the following in your ~/.forward: "|/usr/local/bin/filter -o /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" == IMPORTANT NOTES == * Make sure you include the quotes ("). * The vertical bar (|) is a pipe. * Replace /usr/local/bin with the correct path for filter (see step 1). * Replace /j/nancym with your home directory (see step 2). * Do NOT expect environment variables, like $HOME, to work in your .forward file. * Do NOT expect ~ to mean your home directory in the .forward file. 5c] Note that on many systems you need to make your .forward is world readable and your home directory world searchable in order for the mail transport agent to "see" it. To do this type: cd chmod 644 .forward chmod a+x . 6] Send yourself two test messages: one with ``test'' in the subject and one without ``test'' in the subject. 7a] Start your mailer (pine, elm, etc.) and check that the messages were delivered correctly. The one with ``test'' in the subject should be in the folder IN.testing and the one without ``test'' in the subject should be in your inbox. If these were delivered correctly go on to step 8. 7b] TROUBLESHOOTING * If the two messages were not delivered correctly look at your ~/.elm/filter-errors to see if you can determine what the problem is. * Check these two files for typos: ~/.forward ~/.elm/filter-rules * Check the file and directory permissions of your .forward (set in 5c above). Type... In order to... ------- -------------- cd Go to your home directory. ls -l .forward Check the permission: it should say -rw-r--r-- ls -ld . Check permission of home dir: it should say drwx?-x?-x The ?'s may be r's or hyphens or one of each (i.e., drwx--x--x, drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-x--x, drwx--xr-x). * If none of these turn up the problem edit your ~/.forward so that filter will be verbose with it's output (use the -vo flag). "|/usr/local/bin/filter -vo /j/nancym/.elm/filter-errors" And repeat steps 6 and 7. After you get filter to work you will probably want to change the ``-vo'' flag back to ``-o''. 8] After you have successfully tested filter in steps 6 and 7, edit ~/.elm/filter-rules so that it contains a modified version of the following: # if (subject contains "test") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.testing" if (to contains "www-talk") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.www-talk" if (to contains "hopos-l") then save "/j/nancym/Mail/IN.hopos" Replace /j/nancym with your home directory path and /Mail with the name of your mail directory. Replace the mailing list string (e.g., "www-talk") and the name of the mail folder (e.g., IN.www-talk) with text for your mailing lists. Note that ``to contains...'' means either the To or Cc header contains... Rather than deleting the test line, it's useful to just turn it into a comment (by preceding it with #) so that you can easily use it for future testing. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:20 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.2 Tracking Your Incoming Mail Followup-To: comp.mail.elm You can get a short summary of filter's activity by typing: filter -s For a longer summary type: filter -S Or you can look at the log file itself, ~/.elm/filterlog. You should regularly look at ~/.elm/filter-errors to make sure things are working. You can automatically check filter-errors each time you log in by putting the following in your .login: tail ~/.elm/filter-errors Also you probably want to regularly delete filterlog and filter-errors so they don't fill up your disk space. To get a summary of the filter log and clear it type: filter -cs ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:03:30 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: ... 3.3 Filter References Followup-To: comp.mail.elm Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: filter(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:04:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 4.0 Reading Incoming Mail Folders To read an incoming mail folder use your mailer or newsreader (if it can read mail folders). For more information see documentation for your mailer or newsreader. Here are some pointers. PINE ==== FAQ: http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/faq Manual: pine(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.pine (linked to Pine mailing list) Mailing List: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (linked to Pine newsgroup) Subscribe to the pine-info mailing list by sending mail to: majordomo@cac.washington.edu With... subscribe pine-info in the body of the message. ELM === Web Page: http://www.myxa.com/elm.html FAQs: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/elm/top.html Manual: elm(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm Emacs Mail Mode =============== Newsgroups: gnus.emacs.help and comp.emacs http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/GNU-Emacs-FAQ/part5/faq.html MH == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mh-faq/top.html Manual: mh(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.mh MAIL ==== Manual: mail(1) Newsgroup: comp.mail.misc NN == FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/nn-faq/top.html Manual: nn(1) Newsgroup: news.software.nn (Does anyone know if nn uses lock files? Is there any problem using nn to read a mail folder that is receiving mail? Please let me know!) (Also, please let me know what other newsreaders can read mail folders?) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 1994 23:05:00 GMT From: Nancy McGough Subject: 5.0 Contributing to this FAQ If you have any corrections, suggestions, or new digest items to contribute to this FAQ please send them to me at nancym@ii.com. If you are reading this with a viewer that understands the following URL you can use it to send me mail: mailto:nancym@ii.com Between official releases of this FAQ the plain text (ascii) version of the most up to date version of it is at: ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii/Internet/filtering_mail_faq End of Filtering Mail Digest **************************** -- /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < Infinite Ink ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/ii From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 16:52:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27934; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:52:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10583; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:49:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from falcon.liunet.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10577; Sun, 12 Mar 95 16:49:52 -0800 Received: from aurora.liunet.edu by falcon.liunet.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14448; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:41:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:25:49 -0500 Message-Id: <95031219254979@aurora.liunet.edu> From: lray@aurora.liunet.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Please help - pine for VMS X-Vms-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Thank you Flavell and Portia for responding to my message. I was able to create a command file that creates a generic MAIL.MAI and MYMAIL.MAI folder so users can use PINE. I am refering to the version of PINE for VMS from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (ver 3.91). I am using the TCP/IP transport method which requires defining the PINE_MAIL_PROTOCOL variable to = SMTP. Thanks again for your help. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 18:02:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29524; Sun, 12 Mar 95 18:02:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11545; Sun, 12 Mar 95 17:58:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11539; Sun, 12 Mar 95 17:58:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rnzF7-00038uC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 17:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 01:04:54 GMT Message-Id: <3k05nm$p00@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jvqph$mkl@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <14732@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Selcuk Ozturk wrote: >I don't need any support. As I said before, it is MY business to decide >what to do with email coming to me. Nor pine nor you nor anybody else can >tell me what to do. As a corollary to this, I am solely responsible for >the consequences of course. Very existential. But it is a bad idea for a user agent, especially one targeted at inexperienced users, to encourage bad netiquette. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 19:04:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00898; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:04:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20498; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:01:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20492; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:01:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro0Ji-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 18:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 12 Mar 1995 22:41:40 GMT Message-Id: <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: > Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news > "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") > is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it > becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should > be derived from it. But what if you need to do some research before you respond and your site expires articles quickly? What I do is save the article in a folder named ToRespond and then use ``nn +ToRespond'' to open the folder and post my response. I have been burned many times by flagging an article (using nn's l command) and then going back to post my response and discovering that the article has expired. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o )Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! The Call For Votes (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < is in news.announce.newgroups.( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 19:38:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01550; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:38:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12801; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:33:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12795; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:33:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro0sE-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: Please help - pine for VMS Message-Id: <1735FCF4DS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <95031116052190@aurora.liunet.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 14:44:25 GMT In article Portia@INNOSOFT.COM (Portia Shao) writes: >On Sat, 11 Mar 1995 lray@aurora.liunet.edu wrote: > >> I've been trying to install the VMS version of PINE on an alpha for some > >I assume this is the version from Israel? >but I believe the answer is still true. >In VMS MAIL you can not have empty folders, so there is no way you can >just "create" a folder. > >The only way to "create" a folder is to put a message in there. What you say is correct - but if I attempt to create an (empty) folder by using the A(dd) command from the L(ist) screen, nothing happens - it does not give me the error message that "lray" is reporting. As one can see by looking in VMS_MAIL.C, there are several PINE commands that are not supported when addressed to local mailboxes - not all of these limitations are mentioned in the README.VMS. The commands are still needed, since they could be addressed to remote folder collections (but we are not dealing with that situation here). I repeat, the correct values for folder-collections and default-fcc are stated in the README.VMS (I am posting this from an EBCDIC-based mainframe with erratic representation of square brackets so I'm worried about trying to type it in here.) I got bizarre results (not too different from the symptoms reported here) when they were not set up correctly. >There are several ways to do this, one is to copy/save a message there, >another is to use an external utility which puts a dummy message in a >folder and thus creating it. Yes, the VMS "MAIL" command could do that (unless you have set it to FORWARD all messages). But there is no need (apart from creating the initial MAIL.MAI base if the user does not have one), because VMS PINE is quite happy to S(ave) a message to a folder name that does not exist, and will create it and add it to the folder list, at least, that works for me. (I suppose it's possible that there's some problem that only occurs on DEC ALPHA Open/VMS and not on VAX/VMS where I was installing it). > > time now. The problem I am having involves creating folders. When >> I try to send mail, I get a message that says: >> Folder "mymail" doesn't exist. Create? Y Just a minute, you say this happens when you try to _send_ a mail. Have you made sure to explicitly set default-fcc="" as required by the README.VMS? The Fcc feature does not work under VMS and has to be turned off like this. I've made a few changes to my Web page, take a fresh look: http://d1.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html good luck From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 20:52:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03103; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:52:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21926; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:48:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21920; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:48:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro23H-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Limitation on Distribution List Date: 13 Mar 1995 02:10:36 GMT Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: mmorrisn@netcom.com's message of 9 Mar 1995 21:39:45 -0800 >>>>> "M" == Martin Morrison writes: M> I am using Pine on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a M> distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus M> error from Netcom. I have had to break the list into two M> pieces and send the message two individual times. M> Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send M> the message only once? If netcom has another user agent available (such as ELM), check and see if you get the same error with that software. If so, the problem isn't related to pine, but to other factors on the system. At that point, you need to talk to your system administrator. On the other hand, if the other user agent is successful at sending messages through that large of a distribution list then you're probably better off using that mailer for the infrequent (at least I hope it's infrequent) times you need to send to that large of a distribution list. It's probably not worth the effort to fix, unless that fix simply involves updating the software to the latest version. === Al From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 21:02:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03522; Sun, 12 Mar 95 21:02:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13959; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13953; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:57:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro264-00038CC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 20:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Selcuk Ozturk Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:26:03 EST Message-Id: <14732@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> References: <3jvqph$mkl@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: your message of Sun Mar 12 21:58:09 1995 nn/p # Take that to its logical conclusion: Pine should always ask whether you # want to post a followup article whether the original discussion took place # in mail or news. # # You will not get much support for that idea. # -- # Matt Messina # messina@umich.edu # In a sense it already does. If there is no Newsgroups header then there is no default groups to post a followup. But, I can always press ^R and manually enter any newsgroups name to post the reply if I choose to do so. I don't need any support. As I said before, it is MY business to decide what to do with email coming to me. Nor pine nor you nor anybody else can tell me what to do. As a corollary to this, I am solely responsible for the consequences of course. Selcuk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:00:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05581; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:00:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22954; Sun, 12 Mar 95 21:57:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22948; Sun, 12 Mar 95 21:57:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro32m-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 21:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schroect@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Thomas Schroecher) Subject: Where's the PINE? Date: 12 Mar 1995 23:53:49 GMT Message-Id: <3k01id$53v@remus.wat.hookup.net> hey everyone...can anyone tell me if there's a set of precompiled binaries flying around out there for FreeBSD 2.0???? If so, could you please pointg me in the right direction....thanx very much. Tom schroect@wingham.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:21:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06585; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:21:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15199; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:19:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15193; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:19:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro3SL-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 20:48:56 GMT Message-Id: <3jvmno$a4o@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jort3$ps1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3jq5p9$a7l@unlisys.unlisys.net> In article <3jq5p9$a7l@unlisys.unlisys.net>, Stefan Kurth wrote: >The meaning of the "References" header would change too. Incorrect. The syntax for the contents of the header is more strict in news than in mail, but the meaning is the same. >This isn't >likely to matter in practice though (except when the stupid software >does choose to let the user post a follow-up to an email message, in >which case it must not treat the References header of that message as >RFC 1036 References). But wait! That is an admission that mail and news are not technically the same thing. If they were, you could use a mail references header in news. P.S. There is at least one other header that changes meanings between mail and news: Path. Since it has no use in outgoing messaging, nobody cares what it contains. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:22:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06615; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:22:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15175; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:17:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15163; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:17:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro3Le-00038MC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 20:43:51 GMT Message-Id: <3jvme7$9p3@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In article <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com>, wrote: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming >Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (2788) > >> Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not >> correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but >> adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. > >Bzzt. By ``not correct,'' I have to assume that you mean ``not >something that I agree with.'' Another incorrect assumption. You didn't have to assume what you assumed. You could have assumed that I wrote what I meant. By "not correct", I meant that Pine's assumption is not the meaning that the other system used. >those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is >truly important. To you they aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't to anyone else. >> What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw >> anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". > >Another oversight. By ``correct'' I have to read ``pragmatic.'' No, sorry. I meant "correct". Maybe if you read what people wrote instead of what you wanted them to write ... >Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. Well, an admission that news and mail can be different for some people. Progress is being made. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:22:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06617; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:22:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23253; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:17:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23247; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:17:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro3M7-00038OC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 12 Mar 1995 15:42:35 -0800 Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <3jgqcq$h82@crcnis3.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) writes: >In news.software.readers, nancym@ii.com (Nancy McGough) writes: >>In the meantime my recommendation to people who use trn, tin, nn or >>any other newsreader that includes a Newsgroups header in mailed-only >>messages is to include a note that says something like "This is a >>private email message. Please do not post it." > >Or to delete the Newsgroups: header prior to mailing the response. That >would be the only foolproof method, right? Yes, in nn you can do this by putting this line in your init file: set mailer mynewsmailer And create a script called mynewsmailer that contains this: formail -R Newsgroups: Originated-In-Newsgroups: | /usr/lib/sendmail -t -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o ) Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! See my Web pages (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < for details. ( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:35:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07547; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:35:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23483; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23477; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:31:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro3XV-00038RC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 13 Mar 95 02:52:41 GMT Message-Id: References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jufs9$5sn@hustle.rahul.net> Rahul Dhesi writes: >In <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt >Messina) writes: >>> After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it >>> becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should >>> be derived from it. >>That's an unfortunate point of view that would preclude offline readers >>from posting followups. >So long as offline reading of News is equivalent to a type of caching, >it will have no adverse effect on the result. As soon as ofline >reading of News becomes a synonym for treating everything as email, >either no followups are permitted or we have very confused users. >-- >Rahul Dhesi After you characterized my statement about the difference between between mail and news as elegant, I hate to have to mildly disagree with you here. Using nn (I refuse to read news with a mail tool), I frequently save articles to my local saved news folders and go back to them a day or so later and (f)ollowup to them after they have been taken out of play. Occasionally I (r)eply to them as well. The nice thing about nn's behavior here is that I have to take an explicit positive action to put the ball back in play. The difficulty with pine's approach is that it asks me convoluted questions that I may be confused about the correct answers to. One slip and the ball I was fondling on the sidelines rolls onto the court and the referee declares a foul against my side. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 22:37:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07627; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:37:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15435; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:32:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15429; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:32:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro3Yw-00038SC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 21:02:50 GMT Message-Id: <3jvnhq$b3t@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jog63$lbl@hustle.rahul.net> In article , Steven D. Majewski wrote: >Well - at my site, it's not Pine that is discarding any information, >but trn that is responsible. It saves messages locally to what looks >like a MAIL-box. No, it's not trn that's responsible for this, it's you. On my system, trn saves things in individual files in a directory structure that makes it clear that the source was news. In addition, each file contains a Path header (which mail does not), and, even if I somehow get confused as to the source of the data in the file, even with all the clues I already mentioned, I can look at the first line of the file where it says "Article nnnn of news.group.name:". I chose that method. You chose the method you use, even if it was a choice not to read the man page to find out how you could save things. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 23:48:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09746; Sun, 12 Mar 95 23:48:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24448; Sun, 12 Mar 95 23:44:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24442; Sun, 12 Mar 95 23:44:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro4hs-00038DC; Sun, 12 Mar 95 23:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 13 Mar 1995 00:26:42 GMT Message-Id: <3k03g2$i0p@hustle.rahul.net> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> In <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >But what if you need to do some research before you respond and your >site expires articles quickly? What I do is save the article in a >folder named ToRespond and then use ``nn +ToRespond'' to open the >folder and post my response. This would be quite forgiveable. But, like the man said, if you find the article expired on every Sabbath, then it would be wise to fill up the ditch. (Or at least have distinct folders mail-torespond and news-torespond, such that news-torespond is just a cache for the common News spool and has a longer expiration time.) -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 00:57:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12442; Mon, 13 Mar 95 00:57:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17248; Mon, 13 Mar 95 00:49:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17242; Mon, 13 Mar 95 00:49:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro5m5-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 00:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 08:45:28 GMT Message-Id: <3k10n8$e8q@hustle.rahul.net> References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> In <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Selcuk Ozturk writes: ># Would you accept Pine making a note that a message was received via mail but ># is a reply to a news posting, and asking if you would like to post a response ># to news instead of sending private email. >I don't have any problems with what you suggest above. But, I think Pine >already does that.... >you hit R, Pine asks you if you want post a followup to the Usenet. The >default is NO. If you hit the return button your answer goes only via >e-mail. Can you imagine: User of integrated package types command to set alarm clock for 11:50 am. Software prompts: Would you also like to subtract $11.50 from your bank balance? Default answer to question is of course 'no', but if asked enough times, users will sometimes accidentally reply 'yes'. The point being that there are some questions that are best left unasked. If the user wants to debit his balance, let him give the appropriate command in a separate step. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 03:32:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16251; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:32:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27366; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:21:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27360; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:21:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro808-0003AJC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Robert E Adams) Subject: Re: Signature Art Message-Id: References: <3jlt16$137@quilla.tezcat.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 17:54:53 GMT Hamlet (hamlet@tezcat.com) wrote: : I was wondering how to obtain some of the art you see in signature files -- __________________ _/ \_ _/ \_ /\ _/ \_ //\ |\ _/ \_ \_/ | \/ \/ _| /\ \ ___/ | | \ | _______ \ | \__/ \ | | \ /|\ | \ | | \ / | \ | \ | | \ / | \ | \_ | | \/ | / | \___ | / | / | \_\ / |/ \ | | / / | \ / | | / | | / | / /\ /\ /\/ /\| /\ /\ / | | \/ \/ \/ /\/ |/ \/ | / | | / | | | | | / | | / / _/ / | / _| /_/ __/ __| /__/ G R A N D C H A M P I O N C O R N F E D H O G I L L I N O I S S T A T E F A I R This is one I send to my daughter-in-law who won't believe my tales about how big the pigs are in the midwest.... Most ascii art is created painstakingly by the owner of the signature. I make drawings, and also sketches quite frequently, always using a text editor (memacs) rather than a word processor. Sketch your design first, You can use graph paper and allow one space for each character. Then begin drawing it with appropriate characters from the left of the screen, gradually working to the right. That way you won't have to adjust text that gets bumped over too far when new characters are added. My computer doesn't support overtype mode, but if yours does it is easy to go in and change characters without damaging the already completed parts of your ascii art. There are a couple of excellent sources that I cannot access while in Tin Newsreader. Email me if you want me to look them up. Or you may have better luck with a search of some kind. use the term ascii art. One is a newsgroup for ascii art. It is populated by very creative ascii artists who want to outdo each other and will rise to the challenge if you ask for a specific design. I recommended it to a net pal who needed a floral bouquet near valantines day. Another is a big FAQ file of ascii art that someone has put together It was deep in one of those big internet directories. Some were worth copying for your own use. A lot weren't impressive. Hope this helps Bob, %% Bob Adams ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca %%%%% HRD %%%%%%%% PUB REL %%%%%% % Adams Assoc (902) 456-0761 % TRAINING DACUM % % adams@ra.isisnet.ca % EDITING HTML % % Inexpensive services % GRAPHICS GAME ANIMS ART % % provided over the internet % Space LEASING Real Est PROFORMAS % %%%%%%%%%%% http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~ac200/adams.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Visit my home page for CIAU Mens Basketball From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 04:03:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17075; Mon, 13 Mar 95 04:03:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19830; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:54:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19824; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:54:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ro8eV-00038LC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 03:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: International character sets Message-Id: <17360A49CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:42:18 GMT In article <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) writes: >In a previous article, FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) says: ... >> (as happens if >>I set my terminal emulator up for UK-ASCII and tell PINE >>wrongly that it is set for US-ASCII). > > Hmmm, to my knowledge there is no such MIME charset defined as UK-ASCII. Please, read what I wrote. I can set up my terminal emulator for UK-ASCII (it is in fact identical to 7bit US-ASCII with the exception of the hash codepoint, which in UK mode displays as pound-sterling). This has nothing to do with MIME charsets or PINE configuration parameter values - neither MIME nor PINE had been invented at the time this misbegotten 7bit code was defined. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 04:48:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18395; Mon, 13 Mar 95 04:48:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28631; Mon, 13 Mar 95 04:43:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28625; Mon, 13 Mar 95 04:43:03 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA25217 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 07:43:00 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA03635; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:41:22 EST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 07:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Robert E Adams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Signature Art In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Robert E Adams wrote: > Hamlet (hamlet@tezcat.com) wrote: > : I was wondering how to obtain some of the art you see in signature files > My $.02: The best art in signatures is compact (4 lines max). Any art longer than that gets to be tiring and a waste of space. In general, short signatures are best for that reason, whether or not they contain art. Sending art for art's sake is fine. I enjoy seeing the clever creations. BUT, keep the sigs short. Regards, Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 05:43:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19810; Mon, 13 Mar 95 05:43:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29279; Mon, 13 Mar 95 05:33:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29273; Mon, 13 Mar 95 05:33:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roA7z-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 05:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Sys. Admin." Subject: trouble with pico spliting long lines Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 21:21:38 GMT Message-Id: can pico be told *not* to wrap/split long lines?? its causing toruble with /etc/aliases as that requires 1 line per entry. thanks.... fuzzy sysadmin, asarian.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 06:25:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20925; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:25:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29736; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:07:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from cs-gw.oswego.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29730; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:07:30 -0800 Received: by cs.oswego.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20171; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:07:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Tymann X-Sender: tymann@altair To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 06:52:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21750; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:52:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22198; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:40:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22192; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:40:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roBHh-00038MC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 06:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Doug Brenner) Subject: Re: Limitation on Distribution List Date: 12 Mar 95 21:38:00 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: rwockner@netcom.com's message of Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:08:43 GMT In article rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) writes: > Martin Morrison (mmorrisn@netcom.com) wrote: > : I am using Pine on Netcom. I have discovered that when I get a > : distribution list of over about 50 names, I get a shell bus error from > : Netcom. I have had to break the list into two pieces and send the > : message two individual times. > > : Is there any way around this restriction so that I have to send the > : message only once? > > The problem started on March 3. I have e-mailed netcom repeatedly but > they just ignore me. I called them and was told they are weeks behind in > reading e-mail from subscribers. Pine on netcom creates this error with > anything more than 24 addresses. It was not like this until March 3. This may be the same problem we had here when the new version of sendmail was installed. Sendmail 8.6.10 on our AIX 3.2.5 machine caused what sounds like the same problem with Pine 3.91. The workaround was for Pine users to set their smtp-server variable to one of our local SMTP hosts. You could do the same using an appropriate Netcom host. (Sorry, but I can't suggest one.) The solution was in the sendmail source code. We removed the code in util.c that generated the POSSIBLE ATTACK messages and fixed two problems: the Pine distribution list limitation and the bogus log messages. > Please e-mail netcom over and over until they respond to this problem. > The addresses are: I can certainly understand your being frustrated with the situation, but I'm not certain I would suggest mail bombing as helpful. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. -dcb From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 07:15:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22384; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:15:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00761; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:05:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00752; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:05:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roBcp-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 13 Mar 1995 04:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> In a previous article, FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) says: >But it is not completely clear from what the >poster wrote that their terminal or terminal emulation is >fundamentally incapable of displaying these characters: maybe >they have simply failed to set it up correctly (as happens if >I set my terminal emulator up for UK-ASCII and tell PINE >wrongly that it is set for US-ASCII). Hmmm, to my knowledge there is no such MIME charset defined as UK-ASCII. Maybe a version of ISO 646 that goes under a different name... This got me thinking, remembering that very old Pines would display any characters not covered by US-ASCII as an underscore if you did not configure Pine with the same character set with which the message was tagged, unless you specifically told Pine to display all characters. I don't know if this might have been the problem, and I hope most sites would have upgraded to 3.8* or 3.9* to eliminate this problem, but I know there are some which haven't. The original poster wrote that the characters were visible when viewing the mail *outside* of Pine, but not while in Pine, which is what I find peculiar -- the later Pines pass all data to the display regardless of your charset emulation; the worst they do is display a warning. >As for the poster's comments about national characters >being included in email addresses. What is legal in >email addresses is laid down by RFC822. I don't suppose you >are allowed to have national characters as elements in email >addresses. This part of the mail interchange is not included >in the MIME encoding. You may include non-US-ASCII characters in headers, in the manner quoted in the original post. This is covered by MIME, and there is a particular RFC whose number I've forgotten which describes this. (Could it be RFC1522?) But no 8-bit data may appear in a header, so it must be encoded in a manner similar to Q-P or BASE64. I believe Eudora is one of a few mailers which do this. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:13:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23900; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:13:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23512; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:03:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23506; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:03:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roCTg-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stk@berlin.snafu.de (Stefan Kurth) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:44:24 +0100 Message-Id: <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.NET> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <794691201.685.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jort3$ps1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3jq5p9$a7l@unlisys.unlisys.net> <3jvmno$a4o@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> John Stanley wrote: > Stefan Kurth wrote: > >The meaning of the "References" header would change too. > > Incorrect. The syntax for the contents of the header is more strict in > news than in mail, but the meaning is the same. Nope, it isn't. An 822 References line contains message-IDs of (or plain-text pointers to) "other correspondence which this message references." These referenced messages need not necessarily be precursors of the current one. A 1036 References line however may only contain backwards references, i.e. message-IDs of articles in the same branch of the thread tree. Son-of-1036 defines a new "See-Also" header that has the same meaning as 822's References. > But wait! That is an admission that mail and news are not technically > the same thing. Of course they're not, and I never claimed they are. I'm all for keeping them apart. This doesn't mean the user has to learn two different interfaces (I have written a user agent that handles both news and mail, with essentially the same interface for both, except for the concepts that are unique to either), but I think it's important to keep them seperated, and to make it clear to the user which is which. ________________________________________________________________________ Stefan Kurth Berlin, Germany stk@berlin.snafu.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:30:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24923; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:30:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02082; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:20:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02076; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:20:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roCqG-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 05:48:21 GMT Message-Id: <3k0mb5$5b7@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jqkh2$b1j@hustle.rahul.net> In peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >> This goes just one tiny step too far. Absence of a 'proper' meaning >> has never been a good reason for omitting a header. >Sure it is. If there's no defined meaning for a header then it's likely to >be used in incompatible ways by different programs. As is the case here. Note that "absence of a 'proper' meaning" is not quite the same thing as "there's no defined meaning". Having no defined meaning for a header actually makes it very safe to use -- it becomes just a comment for the human reader. "Absence of a 'proper' meaning" allows for the presence of a fuzzy meaning, which is a little more risky -- but no adverse effects have been obsered (in the non-pine cases). >> The problem occurs only if conflicting meanings get >> established, and that is not the case here. >That is exactly the case here. Not so! Please don't forget the context. >Rnmail uses "Newsgroups" to mean "Note -- this message is a reply to a >message posted in the following groups". Pnews uses it to mean "This >message is posted to the following groups". Pine uses it to mean "Post >this message to the following groups". No conflict between Rnmail and Pnews, given that one is sending email and the other is sending News. The respective meanings of the header have caused no trouble (in the non-pine cases). -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:31:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25000; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:31:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23893; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:19:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23885; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:19:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roCk2-00038DC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Muhammad Sulayman Subject: Why can't I send e-mail? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 21:34:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. I'm a newbie with PINE 3.89 on Linux. I have a UUCP connection to my Internet provider and oddly enough, I can receive Internet e-mail but I can't send e-mail from my BBS to my Ineternet Provider. My e-mail message bounces almost immediately when I try to send: uux: otheruucphost: Sytem not found 554 muhammad@u.washington.edu ... unknown mailer error 1 Oddly enough, I can send e-mail to a local user on my BBS but not to internet. Any idea as to why this happens? it's been driving me crazy for the past 2 weeks. Thanks. Muhammad From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:33:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25257; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:33:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02222; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:26:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02216; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:26:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roCvO-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 05:52:16 GMT Message-Id: <3k0mig$5d3@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jqkoj$b9s@hustle.rahul.net> In peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >I agree, it's annoying and confusing, but sometimes people ask for this: > "I do not read this group, so please Cc me in any responses" When I need to do this, I always prefix the email version with a comment like this: Hi, here is a copy of something I just posted to Usenet. (And I do this only if I truly believe that the recipient will benefit by getting the private copy.) -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:45:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25864; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:45:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01667; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:04:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01661; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:03:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roCTj-00038DC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stk@berlin.snafu.de (Stefan Kurth) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:44:24 +0100 Message-Id: <3k1paa$l6u@unlisys.unlisys.NET> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Peter da Silva wrote: > It is extremely poor etiquette to post personal mail to the net. However, > it is not the place for a user interface program to *enforce* this sort > of behaviour. Why not? I think it is. Nowadays there are so many newbies on the net who don't really know what they are doing, and who don't bother to read about netiquette either. I think it is definitely a Good Thing for a user agent to prevent users from doing things they are not supposed to do, like posting a public followup to a private email message. ________________________________________________________________________ Stefan Kurth Berlin, Germany stk@berlin.snafu.de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 08:45:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25896; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:45:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02443; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:33:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02437; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:33:13 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA21011 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:33:04 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA05890; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:31:18 EST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:31:17 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How do you do MIME Attachments? In-Reply-To: <9503131454.ZM25461@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Jason Haar wrote: > > This is a MIME message. Your mailer doesn't appear to understand MIME format. > You will need to read this message with a MIME mailer in order to appreciate > its full beauty. Jason's script looks like it will be a big help to many of us who would like to make file distributions automatically. I would like to add that not all users will be able to get access to a MIME mailer and that munpack can be used to decode saved, MIMEd files. I can't say for sure where to find mpack/munpack, although I think I got mine at an ftp server at cmu.edu. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 10:40:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03789; Mon, 13 Mar 95 10:40:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27589; Mon, 13 Mar 95 10:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27583; Mon, 13 Mar 95 10:31:12 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA27113; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:32:06 -0800 Received: from trex by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01213; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:30:24 +0800 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq X-Sender: david@trex To: Kathrin Heyer Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: alternate-editor In-Reply-To: <3jq2jhINNnal@server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1340 On 10 Mar 1995, Kathrin Heyer wrote: > I will utilize the alternate-editor option. How can I do this ? > > in hp-ux: > > - setenv EDITOR /usr/bin/vi > - in pine-setup-menue set enable-alternate-editor-cmd > set enable-alternate-editor-implicitly > editor = /usr/local/bin/pico In the Setup, Config menu page down to editor and select C (change) change editor to /usr/bin/vi It looks like you have actually told pine to use pico (the default editor) rather than vi. It also looks like you have told pine to use vi as your default editor (enable-alternate-editor-implicitly). This means that whenever to compose or reply to a message vi will be used rather than pico. If you want to activate it depending on the situation, de-select enable-alternate-editor-implicitly. Then when you are composing/replying you can type ^_ (this is Ctrl+Shift+Minus). Hope this helps, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 11:43:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09660; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:43:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09538; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:33:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09532; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:33:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roFkH-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 03:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <3jtq69$f7u@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Gardiner Myers wrote: >Giving users a unified model of news, mail, etc. and saving them the >need to train to use N different client interfaces helps them >communicate. Forcing them to guess which medium the message they are reading came from, and thus how they should respond, does not help them communicate. >I certainly don't use news and mail in completely different ways. I >say the same sorts of things in email mailing lists and netnews >newsgroups. That's very nice. How you operate doesn't define how others do. >Mailing lists are a counterexample to your claim that people use news >and mail in completely different ways. Can we please stop thinking in a "sometimes means always" mode? Sometimes there is no screwdriver available. Sometimes all you have is a phillips and you need to drive a flathead. So, sometimes, people use mail and news in the same way. This proves NOTHING AT ALL about how they use it "all the time"; it does not prove that I use non-mailing-list mail the same way I use news, nor does it prove anything about how anyone else uses news and mail. >A netnews group access-restricted to five users is not a "broadcast >medium" in the sense you use. If you are going to use a five-user mailing list as an example of broadcast mail, then you need to accept five-user newsgroups the same way. >Any user intending to post to such a >group and finding their message on a big-7 group is going to be just >as upset as these Pine users with misdirected replies. The reposting of articles from one group to another is a different issue. There are people who are upset when their articles get stolen, umm, "reposted" from one group to another already. >Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Content-Type", any user >interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. Most of it does. On the other hand, "content-type" is, as I recall, a defined extension to the mail standard. >RFC 1036 messages conform to RFC822, modulo a nit concerning >destination headers. RFC 1036 messages conform to a subset of RFC 822. However, part of the conformance comes only because RFC 822 says that undefined headers can be ignored. "Newsgroups" and "Path" are two of those. >Certainly all should be "fixed", in the name of pragmatism if nothing >else. Neither just fixing Pine nor just fixing Trn is going to fix >the problem in both the short and long term. The first step to the fix is to get people to stop saying "I don't treat mail and news as different things so nobody has a problem." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 12:11:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10991; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:11:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02862; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:57:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from fox.sph.emory.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02856; Mon, 13 Mar 95 11:57:54 -0800 Received: by fox.sph.emory.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23305; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:57:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: ib bates To: pine help Subject: imap time out (fwd) X-Sender: bates@fox.sph.emory.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII is there any way to change the autologout time without recompling imap? when imap times out now, windows pcpine hangs due to the lost connection, such as the window won't close. what new stuff will be in pine 3.92? thanks, ib Emory University [M] bates@sph.emory.edu 1599 Clifton Road [F] 404.727.8737 Atlanta, GA 30329 [V] 404.727.7700 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 12:37:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12023; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:37:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03623; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:25:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03617; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:25:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roGbu-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Amy L. Lauderdale" Subject: Re: PINE Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 06:33:51 -0600 Message-Id: References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <3jpb8i$nli@kantti.helsinki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jpb8i$nli@kantti.helsinki.fi> > apart the "Folder Index" and "Folder List" functions). The reason might > bee the load of too much new vocabulary in a new situation. I think the > same might apply to an english-speaking net newbie. I can understand that non-English speaking people might have trouble with directions in English, but that would be true with any program, not just pine. Pine is SIMPLE to use. I had absolutely no trouble with it as a newbie and have trained CHILDREN and adults with absolutely no problems. All questions are very simple to understand. > > After yesterday I don't wonder too much for somebody not knowing > what "Do you want to post to the newsgroup?" means. I can't imagine someone being dumb enough to say "yes" to doing something if they didn't know what it was. I can understand them hitting y by accident or by habit. However, there is that second chance with the warning about thousands of readers. Sheesh, anyone can understand that. Personally, I wish all of you who hate pine would just get off this group. No one is convincing anyone else. This newsgroup used to be a friendly, helpful group until this stupid thread started. This morning I had 19 messages and 12 were from this thread. Now that I have aired my frustration with it, I intend to delete without reading any further posts about this topic. I hope it dies quickly. a NEWBIE who LOVES pine as it is.... *************************************************** Amy Lauderdale, Math Teacher Lafayette High School/Northwest Community College Oxford, Mississippi laall@cotton.vislab.olemiss.edu *************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 13:14:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14133; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:14:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12711; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:03:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12698; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:03:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roHCM-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Re: Reply character in Pine (Changing the > to another character Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:24:33 -0600 Message-Id: <3k1v4h$pml@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> References: [ Matt Larson wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ] -> I am sure this a FAQ, but how would one change the reply character in -> Pine from the > to another char - such as a colon :. You can't do that from within .pinerc. However you can recompile the code and change the prefix value to ":" in the file "reply.c". Cheers Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 13:17:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14259; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:17:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04529; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:03:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04521; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:03:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roHDO-00038DC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 12:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lunney Paul Michael Subject: Mail/news off-line Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 06:40:22 +1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have a severe hearing impairment and mail/news is my lifeline. I am forced to work at home generally, but reading my mail and news on-line is via a 2400 line which is too slow. Is there ANY way (pine or other) that I might be able to in effect read mail/news off-line? eg for mail using the folder directly or exporting to a big text file, for news I guess I'd have to export. But how can I deal with these big text files - is there a program (PC PINE?) which can 'handle' them? Thanks for any help with this one, Paul Lunney p.lunney@qut.edu.au From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 13:24:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14496; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:24:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13222; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:10:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13216; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:10:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roHKj-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: compiling pine under solaris 2.4 - HERE IS THE PATCH Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:23:18 GMT Message-Id: <3k2636$okr@news.missouri.edu> Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: : Anyone been able to do this? I get problems in addrbook.c when it : tries to compile it. Is this a FAQ? Anyone able to offer any advice? 1) Save this patch into a file "pine3.91.diff" and remove my ramblings 2) Get a clean copy of pine (or remove any changes you have made) 3) Type patch < pine3.91.diff which will apply the patch to the appropriate files in the directory pine3.91. All of them should succeed without intervention. 4) cd to pine3.91 and type "build sol". There will be some warnings but it will compile (at least using gcc 2.6.3 - no promises if you are using Sun Compiler) Perhaps the Pine developers would consider melding these tweaks into the distribution. Also, I would appreciate it if they would make solaris an ANSI compile, instead of non-ANSI, as both the Sun compiler and gcc are ANSI compliant. Thanks. Regards, David david@services.more.net diff -c -w -r pine3.91/build spine3.91/build *** pine3.91/build Wed Aug 17 17:24:37 1994 --- spine3.91/build Thu Feb 9 10:37:58 1995 *************** *** 105,111 **** maketarget="no-target" ! makeargs="CC=cc" PHOME=`pwd` args=$# --- 105,112 ---- maketarget="no-target" ! # changed CC=cc to CC=gcc ! makeargs="CC=gcc" PHOME=`pwd` args=$# diff -c -w -r pine3.91/contrib/utils/ansiprt.c spine3.91/contrib/utils/ansiprt.c *** pine3.91/contrib/utils/ansiprt.c Wed Sep 1 18:28:21 1993 --- spine3.91/contrib/utils/ansiprt.c Thu Feb 9 10:40:19 1995 *************** *** 15,24 **** * */ #include ! #include #define BUFSIZ 8192 main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; --- 15,35 ---- * */ #include ! /* below changed from to for SysV */ ! #include ! /* added following header files to get proper prototyping */ ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include + /* added ifndef ... endif wrapper to stop compiler complaints */ + #ifndef BUFSIZ #define BUFSIZ 8192 + #endif + /* added void to stop compiler complaints */ + void main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c *** pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Thu Oct 6 17:29:15 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Fri Feb 10 15:40:21 1995 *************** *** 59,64 **** --- 59,65 ---- #include "rfc822.h" #include "misc.h" #include "dummy.h" + #include /* Berkeley mail routines */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c *** pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c Thu Oct 6 17:31:52 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c Fri Feb 10 15:46:17 1995 *************** *** 48,53 **** --- 48,54 ---- #include "rfc822.h" #include "misc.h" #include "dummy.h" + #include /* MMDF mail routines */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c *** pine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c Sun May 29 20:34:25 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c Fri Feb 10 16:05:13 1995 *************** *** 78,84 **** } } if (ret) { /* append to end of file if OK */ ! lseek (fd,sbuf.st_size,L_SET); sprintf (tmp,"%s\n",mailbox); write (fd,tmp,strlen (tmp)); fsync (fd); /* drop changes */ --- 78,84 ---- } } if (ret) { /* append to end of file if OK */ ! lseek (fd,sbuf.st_size,0); sprintf (tmp,"%s\n",mailbox); write (fd,tmp,strlen (tmp)); fsync (fd); /* drop changes */ *************** *** 132,138 **** } } if (ret) { /* found any? */ ! lseek (fd,0,L_SET); /* yes, seek to start of file and write new */ if (end != txt) write (fd,txt,end - txt); ftruncate (fd,end - txt); /* tie off file */ fsync (fd); /* drop changes */ --- 132,138 ---- } } if (ret) { /* found any? */ ! lseek (fd,0,0); /* yes, seek to start of file and write new */ if (end != txt) write (fd,txt,end - txt); ftruncate (fd,end - txt); /* tie off file */ fsync (fd); /* drop changes */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile *** pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile Mon Oct 10 18:13:22 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile Fri Feb 10 14:57:23 1995 *************** *** 181,187 **** sol: # Solaris $(MAKE) mtest OS=sv4 EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ RANLIB=true LDFLAGS="-lsocket -lnsl -lgen" ssn: # Secure SUN-OS --- 181,187 ---- sol: # Solaris $(MAKE) mtest OS=sv4 EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-O $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ RANLIB=true LDFLAGS="-lsocket -lnsl -lgen" ssn: # Secure SUN-OS *************** *** 193,199 **** sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 --- 193,199 ---- sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-g $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c *** pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Thu Oct 6 17:46:32 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Wed Jan 11 09:27:55 1995 *************** *** 59,64 **** --- 59,65 ---- #include "rfc822.h" #include "misc.h" #include "dummy.h" + #include /* Berkeley mail routines */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c *** pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c Thu Oct 6 17:46:23 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/mmdf.c Wed Jan 11 09:29:21 1995 *************** *** 48,53 **** --- 48,54 ---- #include "rfc822.h" #include "misc.h" #include "dummy.h" + #include /* MMDF mail routines */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h *** pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h Wed Sep 14 22:15:56 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/os_sv4.h Wed Jan 11 09:17:49 1995 *************** *** 43,49 **** #include #include #include ! #include #include #include #include /* needed for writev() prototypes */ --- 43,49 ---- #include #include #include ! /*#include */ #include #include #include /* needed for writev() prototypes */ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c *** pine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c Mon May 30 00:03:42 1994 --- spine3.91/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/sm_unix.c Wed Jan 11 09:31:32 1995 *************** *** 39,44 **** --- 39,45 ---- #include #include #include "misc.h" + #include #define SUBSCRIPTIONFILE(t) sprintf (t,"%s/.mailboxlist",myhomedir ()) diff -c -w -r pine3.91/pico/makefile.sol spine3.91/pico/makefile.sol *** pine3.91/pico/makefile.sol Fri Feb 25 12:37:22 1994 --- spine3.91/pico/makefile.sol Wed Jan 11 09:08:04 1995 *************** *** 42,54 **** # #for GNU C ! #CC= gcc # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it, # it only has /usr/ucb/cc) then change LDCC to the following line and # give that a try. This is still using the Solaris compiler but # leaving out the UCB compatibility includes and libraries. ! LDCC= cc5.sol #CFLAGS= -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -ansi #otherwise --- 42,54 ---- # #for GNU C ! CC= gcc # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it, # it only has /usr/ucb/cc) then change LDCC to the following line and # give that a try. This is still using the Solaris compiler but # leaving out the UCB compatibility includes and libraries. ! #LDCC= cc5.sol #CFLAGS= -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -ansi #otherwise *************** *** 98,104 **** $(RANLIB) libpico.a pico: main.c libpico.a ! $(LDCC) $(CFLAGS) main.c libpico.a $(LIB) -o pico .c.o: ; $(CC) -c $(CFLAGS) $(DASHO) $*.c --- 98,104 ---- $(RANLIB) libpico.a pico: main.c libpico.a ! $(CC) $(CFLAGS) main.c libpico.a $(LIB) -o pico .c.o: ; $(CC) -c $(CFLAGS) $(DASHO) $*.c diff -c -w -r pine3.91/pico/makefile.sun spine3.91/pico/makefile.sun *** pine3.91/pico/makefile.sun Fri Feb 25 12:37:22 1994 --- spine3.91/pico/makefile.sun Mon Nov 28 15:47:49 1994 *************** *** 44,57 **** #for normal build #DASHO= -O ! CFLAGS= -Dsun -DJOB_CONTROL -ldl # switches for library building LIBCMD= ar LIBARGS= ru RANLIB= ranlib ! LIBS= -ltermcap -lc OFILES= attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o \ composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o \ --- 44,57 ---- #for normal build #DASHO= -O ! CFLAGS= -Dsun -DJOB_CONTROL # switches for library building LIBCMD= ar LIBARGS= ru RANLIB= ranlib ! LIBS= -ltermcap -lc -ldl OFILES= attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o \ composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o \ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/pine/makefile.sol spine3.91/pine/makefile.sol *** pine3.91/pine/makefile.sol Wed Oct 5 01:14:50 1994 --- spine3.91/pine/makefile.sol Fri Feb 10 14:56:18 1995 *************** *** 58,66 **** RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= # -O PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico --- 58,66 ---- RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= -O PROFILE= # -pg ! #DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico *************** *** 69,86 **** LOCLIBES= $(PICODIR)/libpico.a $(IMAPDIR)/c-client.a # Use these for the Solaris C compiler ! CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it, # it only has /usr/ucb/cc) then change LDCC to the following line and # give that a try. This is still using the Solaris compiler but # leaving out the UCB compatibility includes and libraries. ! LDCC= $(PICODIR)/cc5.sol # Use these for the gcc compiler ! # CC= gcc ! # CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -ansi -DANSI ! # LDCC= gcc obj= addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \ folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o \ --- 69,86 ---- LOCLIBES= $(PICODIR)/libpico.a $(IMAPDIR)/c-client.a # Use these for the Solaris C compiler ! #CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it, # it only has /usr/ucb/cc) then change LDCC to the following line and # give that a try. This is still using the Solaris compiler but # leaving out the UCB compatibility includes and libraries. ! #LDCC= $(PICODIR)/cc5.sol # Use these for the gcc compiler ! CC= gcc ! CFLAGS= -DSV4 $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) -ansi -DANSI -DSYSTYPE=\"SOL\" ! LDCC= gcc obj= addrbook.o adrbklib.o args.o context.o filter.o \ folder.o help.o helptext.o imap.o init.o mailcap.o mailcmd.o \ diff -c -w -r pine3.91/pine/osdep/makefile spine3.91/pine/osdep/makefile *** pine3.91/pine/osdep/makefile Mon Sep 26 17:47:39 1994 --- spine3.91/pine/osdep/makefile Wed Jan 11 09:23:51 1995 *************** *** 1,6 **** --- 1,7 ---- # Don't edit makefile, edit makefile.bas instead. # + CC= gcc RM= rm -f ALL = os-a32.c os-aix.c os-bsd.c os-bsi.c os-cvx.c os-dos.c \ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 13:40:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15199; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:40:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05486; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:33:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05480; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:33:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roHco-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: creed@fse.ulaval.ca (Carlos Reed) Subject: mark read news articles Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:43:40 GMT How do I mark read (or delet) in on shot, all the articles in one newsgroup? creed@fse.ulaval.ca Carlos Reed from beautiful and lovely Quebec! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 13:44:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15481; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:44:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13919; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:35:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13913; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:35:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roHlE-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Looking for Commercial Imap mail program Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:14:06 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-31471659-795122046=:14371" In-Reply-To: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-31471659-795122046=:14371 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am attaching a copy of the current IMAP software list from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software If anyone knows of software that is not on that list, please let us know! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Garry A. Weil wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:35:46 -0800 > From: Garry A. Weil > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine, comp.mail.mime > Subject: Looking for Commercial Imap mail program > > I am wondering if there are any commercial imap based mail readers for > Windows or Macs? Anybody know? > > GW > > -- > Garry A. 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owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06139; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:55:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roI2f-00038CC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 12 Mar 1995 02:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In article <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu>, Chris Newman wrote: [quoting RFC 1036] > <* of certain Internet features. However, it should always be possible > <* to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news > <* message. In any situation where this standard conflicts with the This is mostly a matter of syntax. 822 and 1036 already treat headers differently in that they use different sets of headers (notably To:, In-Reply-To: vs. References:, and of course Newsgroups:). You might use an 822 parser on news headers, but not something like mailx that interprets them. Probably the best argument against Pine's behavior is that a large installed base of software sends Newsgroups: headers in email. Even if this is against the RFCs, it's desirable for Pine to avoid making it routine to post a reply to a message received by mail. -- Shields. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 15:42:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21224; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:42:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16802; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:26:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16796; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:25:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roJQW-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Matt Larson Subject: Reply character in Pine (Changing the > to another character Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:49:42 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am sure this a FAQ, but how would one change the reply character in Pine from the > to another char - such as a colon :. matt larson, information services, umab, 100 n greene st, baltimore, md 21201 mlarson@umabnet.ab.umd.edu 410-706-8424 410-706-4191 (FAX) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 16:11:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22903; Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:11:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09236; Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:03:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09230; Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:03:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roJxy-00038HC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine Source Code Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 11:36:53 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Intermac wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:55:49 GMT > From: Intermac > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine Source Code > > Does anyone know where I can FTP the complete source code for Pine? > > Thanks. > > Jenny Huang > jenh@netcom.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 17:43:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27794; Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:43:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20558; Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:36:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20552; Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:36:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roLU0-00038HC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 01:27:24 GMT In article <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu>, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > I don't have any problems with what you suggest above. But, I think Pine > already does that. I wonder if you ever used Pine yourself. For about a week, simply to see if it was any better than what I was using, but that was quite some time ago. > But, when > you hit R, Pine asks you if you want post a followup to the Usenet. [...] This is fine except for one thing... it obviously doesn't say "you received this message as private mail" in the same question. If it did, people would not be so surprised to hear that the message they quoted to the net hadn't been intended to be public. > Now, for the etiquette: there are some very hot groups. Sometimes, somebody > gets very angry with what you have said there and sends you an email with > threats and/or curses. In such a case, I don't think that it is a breach > of netiquette to reply on the Usenet. In such a case it is a breach of netiquette to reply at all. Or at least it's counterproductive. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 18:56:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29907; Mon, 13 Mar 95 18:56:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21934; Mon, 13 Mar 95 18:51:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21928; Mon, 13 Mar 95 18:51:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roMgH-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 18:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Robert E Adams) Subject: Re: International character sets Message-Id: References: <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:14:26 GMT Olav Georg Karlsen (olavk@ifi.uio.no) wrote: : I am using Pine 3.91 (in Norway) : I would like to use the norwegian characters æøå and ÆØÅ. (They might not appear : right, but should be oslash, aring, etc. (ae, oe, aa). : I have therefore configured Pine to use: : character-set = iso-8859-1 : When i recieve mail from a person with these letters in his/her name, it : appears like this: : From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Ole_Fredrik_=D8deg=E5rd?= : : When i type these letters in the message body or receive mail containing them, they : do not appear at all on screen, but the letters ARE there, because the recipient can : read them in mail from me, and when i export my incoming mail, they appear in the : text file. : Any solutions? : Olav Karlsen -- Do not use them. Use only the standard character set for your terminal type, based on an old mainframe terminal. They do not recognize more modern character sets, and will not print them properly. I always adapt. If I am talking British money, I write out 'pounds sterling' or use # or LB that most people there would understand. Their pound sterling symbol is likely not to print or display on the receiving end. Bob, %% Bob Adams ac200@cfn.cs.dal.ca %%%%% HRD %%%%%%%% PUB REL %%%%%% % Adams Assoc (902) 456-0761 % TRAINING DACUM % % adams@ra.isisnet.ca % EDITING HTML % % Inexpensive services % GRAPHICS GAME ANIMS ART % % provided over the internet % Space LEASING Real Est PROFORMAS % %%%%%%%%%%% http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~ac200/adams.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Visit my home page for CIAU Mens Basketball From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 19:08:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00266; Mon, 13 Mar 95 19:08:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13033; Mon, 13 Mar 95 19:03:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13027; Mon, 13 Mar 95 19:03:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roMoZ-00038KC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 18:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 14 Mar 1995 02:17:29 GMT Message-Id: <3k2ubp$cd2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jqv5p$lqi@hustle.rahul.net> In Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes: >> 1. When standard practice conflicts with an RFC, the RFC is wrong. >> (Trust me on this one.) >So we should just send 8-bit characters in SMTP since everybody knows >that they're just ISO-8859-1? Even though RFC 821 says not to? Time will tell -- I am not sure. I reinstalled sendmail here to be 8-bit transparent, and nobody noticed except the users who had requested this change. For a real-life example I refer you to the battle of Apple vs MacTCP users. This thread is not pine-specific, so follow-ups are set to comp.mail.headers. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 22:12:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04894; Mon, 13 Mar 95 22:12:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24718; Mon, 13 Mar 95 22:06:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24712; Mon, 13 Mar 95 22:06:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roPft-00038FC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 22:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: Re: compiling pine under solaris 2.4 Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:10:09 GMT Message-Id: <3k21q1$t99@news.missouri.edu> References: <3k0m47$16e@mis.nu.edu> Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: : Anyone been able to do this? I get problems in addrbook.c when it : tries to compile it. Is this a FAQ? Anyone able to offer any advice? I have. Let me get a clean copy of Pine and then I will post the patches. David david@services.more.net -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 13 23:58:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07194; Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17118; Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:51:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17112; Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:51:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roRK0-00038FC; Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:31:09 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3jqv5p$lqi@hustle.rahul.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 11-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Rahul Dhesi@rahul.net (411) > 1. When standard practice conflicts with an RFC, the RFC is wrong. > (Trust me on this one.) So we should just send 8-bit characters in SMTP since everybody knows that they're just ISO-8859-1? Even though RFC 821 says not to? We all know that that was just a historical mistake because old PDP-10 computers used to pack characters in 7 bits. And lots of folks are sending 8-bit ``RFC 821'' SMTP right now and like it that way. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 00:07:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07396; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:07:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26331; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:01:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26325; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:01:31 -0800 Received: from commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:01:22 +0000 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA006418080; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:01:20 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA01401; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:01:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:01:18 +0100 (MET) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: search for a string in a remote folder Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII helo all, is it possible to search for a given string in a remote folder? I know how to search in the index or in one mail, but what shall I do when I want to scan a remote folder? Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 00:09:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07545; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:09:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26353; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:03:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26347; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:03:34 -0800 Received: from commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:03:22 +0000 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA006878200; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:03:20 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA01413; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:03:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:03:19 +0100 (MET) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PCPine with customized-hdrs = From: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII helo all, is there a binary version of PCPINE where I am allowed to change my From: address? Or can I get the source code from somewhere? Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 00:58:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08528; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27037; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:52:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27031; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:52:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roSFs-00038MC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pucho@netcom.com (Marcos Rubinstein) Subject: Re: trouble with pico spliting long lines Message-Id: References: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 06:03:07 GMT Sys. Admin. (root@asarian.org) decia: : can pico be told *not* to wrap/split long lines?? : its causing toruble with /etc/aliases as that requires 1 line per entry. : thanks.... : fuzzy : sysadmin, asarian.org use the -w switch. pico -w file.name Pucho From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 01:04:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08784; Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:04:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18003; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:57:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17997; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:57:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roSMw-00038OC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: friedman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Faith) Subject: Re: mark read news articles Date: 13 Mar 1995 23:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: <3k3hnj$hnf@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> References: <3k3bbg$3tb@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Faith (friedman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com) wrote: : Carlos, : Hit c and it will come up and say, mark all articles as read y or n just : hit y and everything will be deleted from that news group. : Carlos Reed (creed@fse.ulaval.ca) wrote: : : How do I mark read (or delet) in on shot, all the articles in one : : newsgroup? : : creed@fse.ulaval.ca : : Carlos Reed from beautiful and lovely Quebec! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 01:43:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10228; Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:43:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27905; Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:37:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27899; Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:37:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roSzT-00038HC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 01:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 20:51:59 -0500 Message-Id: <3k2srv$7t3@yage.tembel.org> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jqkoj$b9s@hustle.rahul.net> In article , Peter da Silva wrote: > I agree, it's annoying and confusing, but sometimes people ask for this: > > "I do not read this group, so please Cc me in any responses" They really should be setting Followup-To: poster and summarizing. Personally, I wish there were a standard header that meant a message had been both mailed and posted, because some people do this as a matter of course, and I'd like to be able to easily tell procmail to throw such messages away. -- Shields. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 02:30:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11347; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:30:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28481; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:25:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from icm1.icp.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28473; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:25:16 -0800 Received: from stpb.soft.net (stpb.soft.net [164.164.4.5]) by icm1.icp.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA17501 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:25:11 -0500 Received: from ncore.soft.net by stpb.soft.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14646; Tue, 14 Mar 95 15:51:46+0530 X-Organisation: Software Technology Park, Bangalore Received: by nice (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0roYMM-0004IbC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 15:18 IST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:18:10 +0000 From: Ravi Gauba Subject: Time zone info To: stpb!cac.washington.edu!pine-info@ncore.soft.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My timezone is 5:30 hrs ahead of GMT. Our Pine is not able to set this info in the sent mail. our system clock is set for local time (GMT + 5:30) Is there a setting to make Pine suffix a +0530 or IST ? following is the one generated by my pine ------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:09:53 +0000 This is what i need it to be ------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:09:53 +0530 -Ravi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ncore Technology Pvt. Ltd. Phone : +91-80-558-0405 (Off.) 4th Floor Leo Complex Fax : +91-80-558-7690 44 Residency Cross Road E-Mail: ravig@ncore.soft.net Bangalore 560 025 India ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 02:41:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11695; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:41:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19491; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:37:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19485; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:37:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roTvA-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 02:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 13 Mar 1995 08:36:06 GMT Message-Id: <3k105m$alg@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In article , John Gardiner Myers wrote: >People complain because their messages were sent to places that they >did not intend (even though they responded "yes" to two prompts that >warned them this would happen). If they were the same, why would it matter? >The message did not necessarily arrive via NNTP, it could have been >fetched through, say, IMAP. Oh, good golly. Someone, at some point, knew it was news. Whether it was NNTP or IMAP or reading the news spool directly. The point is the same. Someone is throwing that information away, and they should not be. >The user could have copied the message >from a "news" folder to one of their personal folders in a previous >session. If it was news in a news folder, it would be news when they copied it to a private folder. Again, someone is throwing that information away. >Is anyone volunteering to replace all the B News sites still out >there? Anyone volunteering to replace all the software that still >generates 2-digit years in Date headers? I guess the answer is "no". So, I guess that means that an existing application will continue to do what it has done. >Just because a practice is widely deployed does not make it correct or >desirable. It does say a lot about the concept of "interoperability", which is supposed to be a goal of communications software. >It is not going to be feasable to build/maintain a Maginot >line between "news" objects and "mail" objects, Why not? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 03:54:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13298; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:54:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29442; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:42:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29436; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:42:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roUvj-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 13 Mar 1995 08:47:37 GMT Message-Id: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <17359115D5S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> In article , Ed Greshko wrote: As I recall, when you setup Pine for mail and news reading, there are two separate areas where you define folders. You define MAIL folders (or where to find them), and NEWS folders and where to find them. So, Pine should be able to tell whether what it is looking at is mail or news. It certainly COULD look for a Path: header -- which would be a clear giveaway that the user was looking at news, the absence of which would clearly mark that which was not. Now, given that basis: > Just curious, do you think a newbie or an unelightened email >user would understand: > >"Your message is being posted for thousands to read, do your want this?" Why should Pine EVER ask a user about posting a reply to what it knows is mail? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 03:55:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13328; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:55:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29497; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:48:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from gandalf.hk.linkage.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29488; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:48:33 -0800 Received: from wyvern.HK.Linkage.Net by gandalf.HK.Linkage.Net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00961; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 19:46:39 --800 Received: from wyvern by wyvern.HK.Linkage.Net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16476; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 19:46:41 --800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 19:46:40 +0800 (HKT) From: Kevin Yeung X-Sender: keviny@wyvern To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Why the plus sign? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 405 Hi, I think this question has been asked before, but I am wondering if somebody's gonna tell me again. On a mailing list, Pine shows a plus sign before an email which is Cc'd to keviny@somewhere.else, when my email address is keviny@hk.super.net and keviny@hk.linkage.net. Why? Does Pine only match the username and ignore the domain name? Thanks a lot. -- Kevin Yeung email: keviny@hk.super.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 04:35:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14687; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:35:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21037; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:28:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21031; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:28:34 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:25:35 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id MAA29467; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:28:05 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:27:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) In-Reply-To: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is true that "folder collections" and "news collections" are defined separately. It is also true that the former are read/write (can be read or have messages saved to folders in them), whilst the latter is read-only. Note that the operative words are "folder collection", *not* "mail collection". It is quite possible to save any item (e-mail message or News article) to a folder in a folder collection. Indeed this is a very valuable way of keeping important or interesting News articles so that they do not disappear when the News server expires and deleted them. Whilst it would therefore presumably be possible to interpret the presence of an item in a news-collection folder as "this article is News" it is *not* possible to interpret the presence of an item in a folder-collection folder as meaning it MUST be an e-mail message. It is quite possible to be a News article that was saved there. I would be worried by the prospect of separating folders into two "types": mail (only) and news (only). I find Pine's integrated approach very useful, and many of our users are happily using Usenet News who would, I believe, otherwise have got to grips with it. In view of all the hoo-hah about private e-mail/posting to News I have taken the step of modifying (mending?) our (supplied but not supported by us) Tin newsreader so that it does not include the "Newsgroups:" header line when mailing an article. I realise this only affects people receiving articles mailed _from_ our Tin, but would expect on the whole to cover most situations. (I suspect most of our users find an interesting article and then e-mail it to a friend here.) If more people took the time to make such changes to their newsreaders rather than spouting off here perhaps the problem could gradually be eliminated? (Rattles cage and prepares to stand back pronto! ;-) Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 13 Mar 1995, John Stanley wrote: > In article , > Ed Greshko wrote: > > As I recall, when you setup Pine for mail and news reading, there are > two separate areas where you define folders. You define MAIL folders > (or where to find them), and NEWS folders and where to find them. So, > Pine should be able to tell whether what it is looking at is mail or > news. It certainly COULD look for a Path: header -- which would be a > clear giveaway that the user was looking at news, the absence of which > would clearly mark that which was not. > > Now, given that basis: > > > Just curious, do you think a newbie or an unelightened email > >user would understand: > > > >"Your message is being posted for thousands to read, do your want this?" > > Why should Pine EVER ask a user about posting a reply to what it knows is > mail? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 04:39:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14762; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:39:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00438; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:33:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AB00432; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:33:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roVkF-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@asarian.org (Fuzzy) Subject: Re: trouble with pico spliting long lines References: <3k1ig0$h28@news1.halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 02:12:07 GMT Message-Id: Nancy McGough (nancym@ii.com) wrote: : "Sys. Admin." writes: : >can pico be told *not* to wrap/split long lines?? : Use `pico -w filename' - I think it can handle lines up to 256 : characters long. *sigh* tried this... still splits the long lines :(. do we have to do something during compile time to activate the -w option? fuzzy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 04:40:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14804; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:40:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21116; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:33:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21110; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:33:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roViv-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gblake@mis.nu.edu (Gregory "snooze" Blake) Subject: compiling pine under solaris 2.4 Date: 12 Mar 1995 21:44:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3k0m47$16e@mis.nu.edu> Anyone been able to do this? I get problems in addrbook.c when it tries to compile it. Is this a FAQ? Anyone able to offer any advice? snooze -- ------------------------------------PLUR--------------------------------------- Gregory Blake - snooze@DeepSeas,TooMUSH]I[,fantasia,etc - snooze@mis.nu.edu 619-563-2595 | 619-528-4531 | home: 4783 Utah St, San Diego 92116 "Understanding is a three edged sword." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 04:54:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15291; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:54:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21324; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:47:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [142.97.226.11] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21310; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:47:07 -0800 Received: by wto11.tor.on.doe.ca (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07755; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:46:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:46:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jean Charest To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: PINE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Amy L. Lauderdale wrote: > > Pine is SIMPLE to use. I had absolutely no trouble with it as a > newbie and have trained CHILDREN and adults with absolutely no > problems. All questions are very simple to understand. I had a real newbie type the letters "Spc" to get to next page. Understanable given that most other commands are invoked using the letters highligthed. > > Personally, I wish all of you who hate pine would just get off this > group. No one is convincing anyone else. This newsgroup used to > be a friendly, helpful group until this stupid thread started. > > Now that I have aired my frustration with it, I intend to delete > without reading any further posts about this topic. I hope > it dies quickly. There is obvioulsy no easy and correct solution to this thread. May I suggest that those interested in continuing it, do so directly. This list serv is intended to help those of us with REAL problems. .----------------------------------------------------. | Jean Charest | | Atmospheric Environment Service | | Environment Canada | | Internet: charestj@tor.on.doe.ca | | Dots: CHARESTJ@A1@AESTOR | '----------------------------------------------------` From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 04:56:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15352; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:56:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21358; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:48:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21352; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:48:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roVzD-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 04:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Limitation on Distribution List Date: 13 Mar 1995 06:31:47 GMT Message-Id: <3k0osj$1lm@news.ysu.edu> References: This may be the same problem we had here when the new version of sendmail was >installed. Sendmail 8.6.10 on our AIX 3.2.5 machine caused what sounds like >the same problem with Pine 3.91. > >The solution was in the sendmail source code. We removed the code in util.c >that generated the POSSIBLE ATTACK messages and fixed two problems: the Pine >distribution list limitation and the bogus log messages. You may also consider upgrading (again) to BSD sendmail 8.6.11, which was released a few days ago and corrects these POSSIBLE ATTACK messages. I don't remember whether the official fix solves the problem with lists, or whether this is even mentioned in the release info, but if what you did worked for you, I would imagine the official release is the same. Just to make it clear, this problem is NOT a problem with Pine, but rests with the mail transport agent (sendmail). You won't get results by posting in comp.mail.pine about it, but you might get results by asking your SysAdmin to quickly upgrade from sendmail 8.6.10. If anybody wishes to ask whether sendmail 8.6.11 does indeed solve the problem with large (more than 20 or 30) lists of recipients in mail from Pine, the place to ask is comp.mail.sendmail. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) When in Ann Arbor, Michigan this week, visit the 33rd Ann Arbor 16mm Film Fest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 05:52:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16796; Tue, 14 Mar 95 05:52:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01467; Tue, 14 Mar 95 05:44:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01461; Tue, 14 Mar 95 05:43:58 -0800 Received: by bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06418; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:43:48 EST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent Subject: Character accents (fwd) To: Pineinfo Cc: PineDev Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent To: mime Subject: Character accents (fwd) Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent To: Pine@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us Subject: Character accents (fwd) Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent To: Seflin Subject: Character accents Please inform the undersigned if we can type accents on the charracters. I have to write in French language and would appreciate being able to type correctly in French. Thank you. Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 07:14:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19191; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:14:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23614; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:08:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23608; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:08:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roYBJ-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ac041@cfn.cs.dal.ca (william f. gay) Subject: Upload Messages to pine Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:02:37 GMT What programme would I use and how would I upload prepared messages to Pine? I have upload to BBS using an off line reader but how would you do this on a Freenet based Pine system? Different? Bill Gay...Nova Scotia -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 07:21:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19388; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:21:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02984; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:08:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02978; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:08:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roY7s-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: viljanen@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lea Viljanen) Subject: Re: PINE Date: 10 Mar 1995 10:56:18 -0000 Message-Id: <3jpb8i$nli@kantti.helsinki.fi> References: <95Mar4.233213est.56839-2@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Frank Yao wrote: > >Justin, the message/question that pine asks is clear enough. It runs >something to the line of "Do you want to post to the newsgroup?". I'm >not sure what the default answer is, but if the user doesn't take the >time to read the prompt and just type away, how can you blame the >program. It's not that the prompt was ambigious. Yeah, right. I spent yesterday morning teaching Pine to some beginner Unix users. I thought Pine would be a suitable program for them because it shows a lot of help on screen and asks for confirmation before users can do anything stupid. But it seems that I was partly wrong. My experiences yesterday seem to indicate that Pine might not be the best e-mail program for those whose native language is something else than English. Some of my pupils, who actually speak and read English, the Pine menus and prompts were just too much to comprehend (for example, a few had problems telling apart the "Folder Index" and "Folder List" functions). The reason might bee the load of too much new vocabulary in a new situation. I think the same might apply to an english-speaking net newbie. After yesterday I don't wonder too much for somebody not knowing what "Do you want to post to the newsgroup?" means. >*************************** Frank Yao, fyao@csclub.uwaterloo.ca ****** -- Lea 'LadyBug' Viljanen University of Helsinki Lea doesn't Lea.Viljanen@Helsinki.FI Computing Centre rhyme with tea. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 08:04:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20880; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:04:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03898; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:58:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03891; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:58:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roYsH-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 07:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Selcuk Ozturk Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 02:25:29 EST Message-Id: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> References: In-Reply-To: your message of Mon Mar 13 04:34:54 1995 # Would you accept Pine making a note that a message was received via mail but # is a reply to a news posting, and asking if you would like to post a response # to news instead of sending private email. You would be able to continue to # use Pine in an antisocial manner, if that's what you want (it's not clear that # this is the cause, mind you... I am not accusing you of violating acceptable # behaviour) but people would no longer be accidentally doing so. # -- # Peter da Silva `-_-' I don't have any problems with what you suggest above. But, I think Pine already does that. I wonder if you ever used Pine yourself. But, when you hit R, Pine asks you if you want post a followup to the Usenet. The default is NO. If you hit the return button your answer goes only via e-mail. Even if you press Y. After you are done and ready to send it again says this time "this might go to thousands of people do you want to do that?" If you find these messages cryptic and have better suggestions go ahead it's fine with me. Also, it is not very difficult to know if a message has arrived from news or email with Pine. I don't know all the possible setups. But, here, my incoming folders, private folders and news folders are clearly separated. The only time I might be confused is when I save a news message to a private folder and forget where it came from. Ok, that part can be enhanced and again no problem. Now, for the etiquette: there are some very hot groups. Sometimes, somebody gets very angry with what you have said there and sends you an email with threats and/or curses. In such a case, I don't think that it is a breach of netiquette to reply on the Usenet. Selcuk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 08:09:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21082; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:09:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04046; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:04:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04036; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:04:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roZ1u-00038LC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Unrecognized format, what should pine do? Date: 14 Mar 1995 15:37:55 GMT Message-Id: <3k4d8j$5pf@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> If I get mail with the following header: Content-Type: application/pgp; format=mime; x-action=signclear; x-originator=71FB29E1 pine tells me (I don't have pgp installed): [Part 1, Application/PGP 1.2KB] [Can not display this part. Use the "V" command to save in a file] If I read the same message with elm, I get: This message contains data in an unrecognized format, application/pgp, which can either be viewed as text or written to a file. What do you want to do with the application/pgp data? 1 -- See it as text 2 -- Write it to a file 3 -- Just skip it I find the elm behaviour much more helpful, as I know that in this case I can chose option 1 and be able to read the text. Is there some option in pine which allows me to do that? If not, would the pine team consider implementing something similar? (Yes, I know, I could install pgp, but that is a different discussion) -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 08:10:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21123; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:10:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24676; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:04:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24670; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:04:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roZ11-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David Worrell Subject: How to tell when articles are read in News? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:03:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine asked me this question, and I can't figure it out either. I would think this would be simple... The question: By the way, Pine is great. Is there any way you can mark what you've read in a newsgroup with Pine? I like the interface much more than nn, but it doesn't remember what messages I've read, and I can't figure out how to make it work. If you know this, please email. Thanks, - David From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 08:33:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22322; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:33:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25260; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:28:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25254; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:28:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roZRT-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 08:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shri@cs.umass.edu (H.Shrikumar) Subject: PC-Pine can work with unix-mbox file ? Date: 14 Mar 1995 06:07:08 GMT Message-Id: <3k3bqc$hnu@kernighan.cs.umass.edu> Hi, I am looking for a mail program that runs under plain DOS and can deal with a unix mbox format mail file (like /usr/spool/mail/user). The mailer should understand MIME, and should be able to launch applications for body-parts of specific MIME types automatically. To send outgoing mail, perhaps it could make a mbox file, or whatever. I could add in dial-up and file-transfer scripts to take care of the rest. Essentially, I am trying to help a user who wishes to use MIME on an offline PC running plain DOS. None of the QWK readers seem to know anything close to attachments and launching applications. I thought PC-Pine should do it, but unlike unix pine, pc-pine insists on going on-line over to an IMAP daemon. Thanx in advance .. -- shrikumar ( shri@cs.umass.edu, shri@shakti.ncst.ernet.in, X.400 G=Shrikumar S=Hariharasubrahmanian P=itu A=arcom C=CH (yea right :) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 09:34:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27345; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:34:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07958; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:28:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07952; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:28:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roaN7-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donna or Andy Subject: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:29:48 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I first set up my pine mailer to view newsgroups, it had automatically subscribed me to a kazillion groups, a zillion of which I have no interest in. How do I unsubscribe to them all quickly so I can then subscribe to the ones I want? It is so slow removing them one at a time. Donna From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 09:36:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27425; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:36:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07922; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:26:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07912; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:26:34 -0800 Received: from muahost ([128.100.183.27]) by bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <795582>; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:25:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:24:40 -0500 From: Email Station Subject: Pine on OS/2.Can this work? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Does anybody have any positive experiences installing and making Pine work under OS/2? Any advice would be appreciated. Ron. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 09:46:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28020; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:46:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28636; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:34:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28630; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:34:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roaS6-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: John Gardiner Myers Subject: Re: How do you do MIME Attachments? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:32:35 -0500 Message-Id: References: <9503131454.ZM25461@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com> In-Reply-To: Mpack and munpack are utilities for encoding and decoding (respectively) binary files in MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) format mail messages. For compatibility with older forms of transferring binary files, the munpack program can also decode messages in split-uuencoded format. The Macintosh version can also decode messages in split-BinHex format. In short, munpack is the MIME equivalent of uudecode/binhex. Versions are included for unix, pc, os2, mac, amiga and archimedes systems. The canonical FTP site for this software is ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ All official distributions of mpack 1.5 are PGP signed by John Gardiner Myers From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 09:50:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28159; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:50:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28696; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:35:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28690; Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:35:53 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA08248; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:36:45 -0800 Received: from A3-13 by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03742; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:36:44 +0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Lose SENTMAIL folder on Read File from Floppy X-Sender: david@wizard Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 958 This is weird: With PC-Pine (Winsock), when I compose a message and read in a file using the file open dialog from the floppy drive I lose my sentmail folder. Pine says "sentmail doesn't exist, create one ?" When I cancel out of compose and list my folders I find that only the inbox folder remains. The savemail folder is missing too. It works if I read in a file from the C: drive or don't use the file open dialog (via ^T) and just type the file name and path (A:) at the pine prompt. Anyone run into this? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 10:52:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00902; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:52:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09814; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:43:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09808; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:43:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0robXR-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Thomas_R_Stevenson@ucc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson) Subject: Re: compiling pine under solaris 2.4 - HERE IS THE PATCH Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 16:06:24 GMT Message-Id: <3k4fcu$bve@cwis-20.wayne.edu> References: <3k2636$okr@news.missouri.edu> david@services.more.net (David Drum) wrote: >Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: >: Anyone been able to do this? I get problems in addrbook.c when it >: tries to compile it. Is this a FAQ? Anyone able to offer any advice? > david@services.more.net (David Drum) answer removed... > >Perhaps the Pine developers would consider melding these tweaks into the >distribution. Also, I would appreciate it if they would make solaris an >ANSI compile, instead of non-ANSI, as both the Sun compiler and gcc are >ANSI compliant. Thanks. Yes Pine developers, please make the above changes!!! Also, while you are at it, please don't hard code /usr/local/... into any of the code or documentation files. Not eveyone wants to install pine, or it's libraries in /usr/local/.... You could add code to either the main makefile or the build script and let the user say where they want to code to be installed. Thomas_R_Stevenson@UCC.Wayne.Edu ____ __ __ Tom@Gopher.Wayne.Edu / /_/ /_ Thomas.Richard.Stevenson@MTS.CC.Wayne.Edu /. /\ . __/. Tom@CMS.CC.Wayne.Edu UserTom@WayneMTS.Bitnet Tom@WayneSt1.Bitnet For PGP Public key: finger tstevens@tom.cc.wayne.edu "A common mistake that people make when trying to Douglas Adams design something completely foolproof was to Mostly Harmless underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:03:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01700; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:03:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00868; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:58:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00862; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:58:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0robmf-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rancr@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Niparut Chairungruang - RARC) Subject: How can I use PINE to build my Home Page? Date: 11 Mar 1995 11:37:35 GMT Message-Id: <3js21v$d6h@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Hi everybody, How can I use PINE or other program to build my WWW home page? Thank you very much Un From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:28:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02758; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:28:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10950; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:23:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10944; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:23:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocAs-00038HC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eholst@rain.org () Subject: check for new mail in mult. folders Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:14:21 GMT Message-Id: <3k4mdt$ljt@news.rain.org> I have been using procmail to filter my incoming mail into different inbox folders in pine. Everything works fine, except, I can't tell if I have new mail in these folders. When I use frm or nfrm from the elm package, they erroneously report that I have read mail in these folders when there is new/unread mail in them. If I try to us the from command (SunOs 4.1), I can's seem to be able to specify my folders with the -e argument. Please help, as I am growing tired of having to run pine every time I want to check if I have new mail. -- /----------Eric R. Holst-----------------Microcomputer Specialist-----\ | Ventura County Library Services Agency | | eholst@rain.org C$erve 76527,162 | \---------------just slaving away in sunny Ventura, CA----------------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:47:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03689; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:47:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11508; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11502; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocT9-00038RC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 04:34:54 GMT In article <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu>, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > I don't want to add to this already long and boring thread. But, > after all these post about how broken Pine is, I feel the need to tell > the development team that I like what Pine does. Please, do not change > it in a restrictive direction. It is *MY* business how I will treat > news and email, or saved news messages. I hate the idea that a computer > program decides what I do. The program is only a tool. It should give > me as many options as possible and *I* will decide what I will do. > Pine just does that now, and I am happy with that. Might I suggest that you think carefully about what you are saying here. It is extremely poor etiquette to post personal mail to the net. However, it is not the place for a user interface program to *enforce* this sort of behaviour. On the other hand, it is a bad thing for a user interface program to *encourage* dangerous behaviour. Would you accept Pine making a note that a message was received via mail but is a reply to a news posting, and asking if you would like to post a response to news instead of sending private email. You would be able to continue to use Pine in an antisocial manner, if that's what you want (it's not clear that this is the cause, mind you... I am not accusing you of violating acceptable behaviour) but people would no longer be accidentally doing so. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:50:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03881; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:50:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11499; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11493; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocSZ-00038MC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jqkh2$b1j@hustle.rahul.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 04:13:37 GMT In article <3jqkh2$b1j@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > In peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > >There is no proper meaning of the "Newsgroups" header in email. User interface > >programs should neither put it in email, nor should they ascribe any meaning > >to it if they receive it in email. Both Pnews and Pine are broken here. ^^^^^ Of course I meanr Rnmail. > This goes just one tiny step too far. Absence of a 'proper' meaning > has never been a good reason for omitting a header. Sure it is. If there's no defined meaning for a header then it's likely to be used in incompatible ways by different programs. As is the case here. If a program doesn't expect a header to be used, it should mark it somehow as commentary lest some other program latch onto it and use it. The X- convention is a reasonable one here (or is there software that reads and uses X- headers? In that case perhaps something like "X-TRN-Newsgroups" should be used). > The problem occurs only if conflicting meanings get > established, and that is not the case here. That is exactly the case here. Rnmail uses "Newsgroups" to mean "Note -- this message is a reply to a message posted in the following groups". Pnews uses it to mean "This message is posted to the following groups". Pine uses it to mean "Post this message to the following groups". -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:50:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03910; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:50:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02067; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02061; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocSb-00038OC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jqkoj$b9s@hustle.rahul.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 04:39:04 GMT In article <3jqkoj$b9s@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >...unless the mail was Cc-ed from a followup.... > Never, I hope. Posting a follow-up and also sending an identical copy > in email confuses the recipient into believing he or she is getting a > private message. I agree, it's annoying and confusing, but sometimes people ask for this: "I do not read this group, so please Cc me in any responses" which is also in some cases annoying, but an appropriate use of Cc in a followup. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:50:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03931; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:50:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02081; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02075; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:43:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocT4-00038QC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 04:27:02 GMT In article <4jMCNZG00WBwQgVuoW@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Gardiner Myers wrote: > peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > > The point of news and mail is to help people communicate, not to save code > > size, etcetera, etcetera. People use news and mail in completely different > > ways. People say things in email they would never say in any broadcast > > medium. > Giving users a unified model of news, mail, etc. and saving them the > need to train to use N different client interfaces helps them > communicate. Unifying the model is useful. Unifying the *messages* is not. If you want to extend the system, or unify it, you need to make an effort to let people know what the limitations of the distribution are. You especially need to keep track of what the communication channel normal responses should be sent to is. TRN, for example, does a very good job of letting people know what the distribution restrictions on a message are: it displays a message prior to posting describing the expected distribution of the message in plain english (this organization, many machines, this country, the whole world) and gives the user a chance to back out. It could do better (This message is cross-posted to misc.test, it is likely you will recieve dozens of messages from automatic response programs, for example) but at least it makes an effort. > Mailing lists are a counterexample to your claim that people use news > and mail in completely different ways. Mailing list addresses are > indistinguishable from "personal" email addresses. How is a UA > supposed to deal with the two separately? It isn't. The mailing list manager has already marked the response address correctly, so it doesn't have to. Yes, you can argue that perhaps it would be nice if you had some flags to indicate the message was to a mailing list (nationwide newsgroup) but that doesn't excuse discarding that information. > There are people working on extensions to NNTP to support > authentication, permitting access control on netnews newsgroups. > A netnews group access-restricted to five users is not a "broadcast > medium" in the sense you use. A netnews group restricted to a local server is not broadcast either. And TRN lets you know when your message is going to be distributed outside that channel, when you post it. > Any user intending to post to such a > group and finding their message on a big-7 group is going to be just > as upset as these Pine users with misdirected replies. If they use TRN, they won't have that problem. If they have Pine, they will. This is supposed to be an argument *for* unification? > > User interfaces that hide where a message came from, or make assumptions > > about where a message should go, are a bad idea. > By this argument, using the contents of the From, Reply-To, To, CC, > Newsgroups, or Followup-To headers when deciding where a responding > message should go is a bad idea. Only if you don't tell the user where it's going in understandable terms, and you don't add default destinations that the originator didn't intend. > > Agreed. Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Newsgroups" any user > > interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. > Since RFC822 doesn't define the meaning of "Content-Type", any user > interface software expecting RFC822 should consider it commentary. Certainly. MIME is a later standard. A program that doesn't expect MIME should certainly make no assumptions about the meaning of MIME headers. > Certainly all should be "fixed", in the name of pragmatism if nothing > else. Neither just fixing Pine nor just fixing Trn is going to fix > the problem in both the short and long term. That's true. That's why I'm recommending fixing both. It's going to be difficult to get Pine fixed, though. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:59:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04329; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:59:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02409; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02403; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roceC-00038OC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:10:30 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <794789328.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jqkh2$b1j@hustle.rahul.net> In-Reply-To: <3k0mb5$5b7@hustle.rahul.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 13-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Rahul Dhesi@rahul.net (1409) > >That is exactly the case here. > Not so! Please don't forget the context. That you're flaming Pine and not the other UAs? > >Rnmail uses "Newsgroups" to mean "Note -- this message is a reply to a > >message posted in the following groups". Pnews uses it to mean "This > >message is posted to the following groups". Pine uses it to mean "Post > >this message to the following groups". > No conflict between Rnmail and Pnews, given that one is sending > email and the other is sending News. The respective meanings of > the header have caused no trouble (in the non-pine cases). What other combinations work, other than the ones with Pine excluded? There's more than one consistent subset of the actions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 11:59:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04365; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:59:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11821; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11815; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rocdH-00038MC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:07:28 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> In-Reply-To: <3jvme7$9p3@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Ah, good to have Mr. Stanley back in the discussion. Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 12-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (1350) > >those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is > >truly important. > To you they aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't to anyone else. You mean to me as an author of news/mail handling software they aren't important? That I can ignore the difference? Then what's the discussion about? > >> What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw > >> anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". > > > >Another oversight. By ``correct'' I have to read ``pragmatic.'' > No, sorry. I meant "correct". Maybe if you read what people wrote > instead of what you wanted them to write ... ``Correct'' in this context is simply inflammatory. Just what I was trying to avoid. Why overstate your case? > >Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. > Well, an admission that news and mail can be different for some people. > Progress is being made. This is diatribe, not dialogue. My earlier post tried to persuade the news/mail strict-dichotomists that there's another way to look at the world, not that the other way was the ONLY way. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 12:00:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04430; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:00:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02401; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02395; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:54:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roca7-00038LC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kurt Wiehenstroer Subject: verbose option when sending mail. Is there one? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:52:22 GMT Is there an option that will show the mail being sent out like there is with /usr/ucb/mail -v It would show sendmail sending the mail in real time to it's destination. Please send email to wiehenkm@cliff.cs.rl.af.mil since I do not check this group too offen. Thanks for your time with this problem. wiehenkm@cliff.cs.rl.af.mil From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 12:07:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04758; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:07:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02445; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:56:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02439; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:56:13 -0800 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id LAA15812; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:54:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Subject: Step-by-step SCO, imapd and PC-PINE To: Pine Information Cc: jeff@medsup.com, essayes@telerama.lm.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to: Vladimir Solnicky Ramon J Hontanon for their instrumental advice (name used in /etc/services must match name used in /etc/inetd.conf). The initial stage of reading UNIX inboxes from PC-PINE at my site was a success! To those who requested the "Big Secret" if and when I got it all together .... here is what I learned: ========================================================================= Setting up PC-PINE to allow reading an INBOX located on an SCO machine This step-by-step assumes: Proper installation of winsock. tcpman.exe as the PC-tcp element. The user has an account on the SCO machine. The email system on the SCO machine is functional. You are using the pre-compiled SCO code for Pine3.91. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1) Place imapd (found in the pine3.91/bin directory on the pre- compiled SCO distribution) in the /etc directory with the mode and ownership as follows. -rwx--x--x 1 bin bin 427500 Mar 08 09:41 /etc/impad 2) Edit /etc/inetd.conf to include the following line: imap stream tcp nowait root /etc/imapd imapd 3) Edit /etc/services to include the following line: imap 143/tcp 4) Issue a SIGHUP (kill -1) to inetd's PID in the process table. This will cause inetd to re-read the inetd.conf file (no need to reboot). 5) Edit your PINERC file (related to the PC-PINE installation). Note: PINERC will not exist until you have attempted to run PC-PINE the first time. Required fields for remote access of your INBOX are: user-id= smtp-server= <------ Needed to COMPOSE mail inbox-path=<------ Needed for accessing INBOX incoming-folders= default-fcc= postponed-folder= The user-id field needs to contain the logname of the individual who's INBOX we are accessing. The smtp-server field is the name of the server that has an smtp channel setup for email. The inbox-path is how you latch onto the imapd server. The syntax is: inbox-path={machine}/usr/spool/mail/logname where machine is substituted for the hostname of the server you configured imapd on and logname is the users login name. The incoming-folders, default-fcc and postponed-folder are optional. If you plan on maintaining one set of folders, you will have to use syntax similar to the syntax used in the inbox-path parameter. This method of configuration will require the user to supply his UNIX password to gain access to his inbox. In my particular scenario, this is OK. You may try the rimapd concept to alleviate the need for password provision (?). The rimapd concept is discussed in the distribution documentation. -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 12:36:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05883; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:36:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03411; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:31:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03405; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:31:29 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA10421; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:32:21 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00433; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:30:35 +0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:30:35 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503142030.AA00433@wizard> To: sinners@netcom.com Subject: Re: Step-by-step SCO, imapd and PC-PINE Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 971 > > To those who requested the "Big Secret" if and when I got it all together > .... here is what I learned: > I'm curious, once you set up your folder-collections, are you able to view the folders in PC-Pine properly? I've found, although I'm using Solaris imap, that the folders drop the two first characters in the pcpine (winsock or pcnfs) display. I was told that it was a bug that had been corrected in a recent release of imap and today I've installed the March BETA release but it hasn't made a difference. David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 12:49:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06500; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:49:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13103; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:44:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13097; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:44:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rodPF-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: never mind: Why does this happen? Date: 14 Mar 1995 11:07:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3k4m0f$9g0@lacerta.unm.edu> It turned out that I had misplaced my $HOME/.rnrc a few days a go .... In it I have a "-M" flag that forces all atricles to be saved as mbox format.... Farid hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 13:15:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08148; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:15:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04647; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:11:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from woolf.individual.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04641; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:11:18 -0800 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA28912; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:09:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: Adam J Weitzman To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles In-Reply-To: <3jmauq$157@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is definitely a religious issue here, and frankly I'm sick of it eating up so much space in my mailbox. I was going to write a long message about how I came to this proposal, but I've decided, in the interest of getting people to actually read this message, to get right to the point. My proposed solution? Make posting news a completely different keystroke (for argument's sake, Ctrl-?). Then ask once or twice whether they are sure, and if there is an email address in the To: line, ask if they also want to send an email to that person. Scenario: I am composing an email. Result: No change. I type my message and hit Ctrl-X. Message gets sent. Scenario: I am composing a news post. Result: Slight change. I type my message and hit Ctrl-?. Message gets posted to newsgroup. Scenario: I am reading email and want to reply. (No Newsgroups: header) Result: No change. I type my reply and hit Ctrl-X. Message gets sent. Scenario: I am reading news and want to post a followup. Result: Slight change. I type my reply and hit Ctrl-?. Message gets posted to newsgroup. Scenario: I am reading email and want to reply via email to a message which was sent as a reply to a news post. (Newsgroup: header exists) Result: I type my reply and hit Ctrl-X. Recipient gets message. I am not asked if I want to post the message anywhere because I did not hit Ctrl-?. Scenario: I am reading email and want to post my reply to a newsgroup. (Newsgroup: header may or may not exist) Result: I type my reply and hit Ctrl-?. Message gets posted to whatever newsgroups are on the Newsgroups: line (to which I may add or remove newsgroups while replying). If there is a recipient in the To: line, I am asked if want to also send the message to that person via email. This way, news never gets posted without an explicit news-posting keystroke, and if I know nothing of news and get a message in my box, reply and hit Ctrl-X, I won't be bothered with news issues at all. It is just as easy to post news as it was before, just a different keystroke. Questions? Comments? I'm sure I forgot something, but I think this is workable, and it sidesteps the religious issue rather neatly, I think. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 13:45:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09499; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:45:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14637; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:40:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from deathstar.cris.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14629; Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:40:36 -0800 Received: from voyager.cris.com by cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Received: by voyager.cris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25842; Tue, 14 Mar 95 16:39:54 EST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:39:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Curtis To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe bcurtis@cris.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 14:18:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11058; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:18:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06112; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:13:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06106; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:13:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0roeoP-00038FC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lowell@MPA-Garching.MPG.DE (Lowell Tacconi-Garman) Subject: PINE 3.05 -> PINE 3.91 (where did the folders go?) Date: 14 Mar 1995 15:33:18 GMT Message-Id: <3k4cvu$ilk@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de> Until a few days ago I confess that I was running PINE 3.05. Now I am running PINE 3.91. The problem is that the new version doesn't see all of my old mail folders. That they are still there can be demonstrated by running the old version. How do I make the new PINE recognize the old folders? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 15:09:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14130; Tue, 14 Mar 95 15:09:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07270; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:58:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07264; Tue, 14 Mar 95 14:58:45 -0800 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id OAA21938; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:55:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Subject: Re: Step-by-step SCO, imapd and PC-PINE To: David Dumaresq Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9503142030.AA00433@wizard> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My folders retain their integrity .... names and all. I *have* found trouble in addressbooks, however. Not every address in the list seems to function properly. They all appear to be OK (visually), but when you use the nickname, it does not always pull up the address. Even if you use the ^T keystroke and pull it right off the list! Still, no joy. Not all addresses are problems, but certain ones are (consistently). The address book is a _copy_ of the system wide globaladdress book. -Steve sinners@netcom.com ################################################### Perspective: No matter where you go, there you are. ################################################### Yea yea yea .. been there .. done that. On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > > > > To those who requested the "Big Secret" if and when I got it all together > > .... here is what I learned: > > > > I'm curious, once you set up your folder-collections, are you able to view > the folders in PC-Pine properly? > > I've found, although I'm using Solaris imap, that the folders drop the two > first characters in the pcpine (winsock or pcnfs) display. > > I was told that it was a bug that had been corrected in a recent release of > imap and today I've installed the March BETA release but it hasn't made a > difference. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 17:20:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21990; Tue, 14 Mar 95 17:20:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19857; Tue, 14 Mar 95 16:58:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19851; Tue, 14 Mar 95 16:58:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rohPH-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 16:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: green@lark.cc.ukans.edu (Red Green) Subject: Newbie Guide Message-Id: <1995Mar14.171339.87777@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 14 Mar 95 17:13:38 CST This was written for students, faculty and staff at the University of Kansas, but since there are so many beginning questions I thought I would post it here. Note there are several references to our systems, please ignore. Feel free to reprint, but acknowledge Academic Computing Services at the University of Kansas. -- Laura Green Consultant Academic User Services University of Kansas redgreen@ukans.edu ------------------------------------------------------- What is electronic mail? Electronic mail is similar to postal mail. You create a message, address it, and send it on its way. Pine is a simple, easy-to-use electronic mail program that runs on the multiuser systems FALCON, LARK, KUHUB, STAT1, and UKANAIX. After you successfull y login to your multiuser system account you may access the Pine e-mail program. Message are created in Pine using the Pico editor, which is similar to most popular word processors. For more information on the Pine e-mail program look in KUfacts, the campus-wide information system, under Departmental information -> Academic Computing Services -> Online Documentation or open the URL: http://kufacts.cc.ukans.edu/cwis/units/acs/documen tation/General/writeups_index.html Your e-mail address Like a postal address, your e-mail address is made up of several parts: username@hostname.domain Your username is the name you use to login to the multiuser system. Suppose for example your username is joe. The hostname is the name of the computer where you have your account, in this case falcon. The domain name is the same for everyone using Comp uting Services systems: cc.ukans.edu The e-mail address for joe would be: joe@falcon.cc.ukans.edu How to get started Start the Pine e-mail program after you have logged into your account on FALCON, KUHUB, LARK, STAT1, or UKANAIX, by entering the following command from the system prompt: pine If this is the first time you have started the Pine program, a Welcome to Pine screen is displayed. Press any key to go to the Main Menu. Read messages If you have new electronic mail, you are notified after login to your multiuser account. To read new mail messages: 1. From the Main Menu in Pine, press I (or i, Pine is not case sensitive) to open the INBOX folder. New incoming e-mail messages are numbered in the INBOX folder according to time received and are indicated by an N next to the message number. 2. Use the up- and down-arrow keys or type the message number to select a message, then press (or ) to view the message. Press to read the next page of a multi-page message. Press the hyphen key to go back to the previous page. Press or N to read the next unread message. To return to the index of mail messages press I. To return to the Main Menu press M. Reply to a message The Reply command allows you to send an answer directly to the person who sent you an e-mail message. 1. View the original message. 2. Press R to Reply to the message. To include the original message text, press Y in response to the prompt. 3. You do not need to enter the e-mail address of the person in the To: field. The Subject: field is filled in as: Re: (the original message subject line) 4. Enter your reply into the Pico text editor. Pico is a full-screen editor, which means you may use many features such as cutting and pasting text and a spell checker. To find out more about Pico commands, press ^G for help or see the in BriefÑPico: A simple text editor on the KU multiuser systems. 5. When you are finished press ^X to send the message. You return to the message screen. Note: The ^ character refers to the key on a PC (IBM-compatible) or the key on a Macintosh. To execute commands requiring the keys, hold down the or key and press the required character. Delete a message Delete erases a message from a folder. In order to conserve disk space delete messages you have read and do not want to save. (To save messages in another folder see the in BriefÑElectronic mail on the multiuser systems: Pine, advanced commands.) 1. View the message to be deleted or highlight it in the index of messages. 2. Press D to Delete the message. Press U to Undelete a message. Compose a message Compose allows you to write and mail a message to any electronic address on the Internet. 1. From anywhere within the program, press C to access the Compose Message command. You are now in the Pico text editor. 2. In the To: field, enter the e-mail address of the person you are sending the message to then press . 3. If you would like to copy others on the message, enter their addresses, separated by a comma, in the Cc: field then press . 4. To attach a file to the mail message enter the file name in the Attchmnt: field. (See the Advanced Pine in Brief.) Press . 5. Enter a one-line description of the message in the Subject: field. Press . 6. Enter your message in the Message Text area. 7. Press ^X to send the message, and confirm by pressing Y. Cancel the message at any time by pressing ^C. Print messages You may be able to print messages directly to a printer attached to your desktop computer. To print messages you must ensure that your Pine printer setup is configured properly. To check your printer setup: 1. Go to the Main Menu from anywhere in the program by pressing M. 2. Enter an S to access the Setup command. 3. Enter a P for Printer. 4. Enter a 1 to direct the messages to your local printer, attached-to-ansi. Note: Read the information in number 1 to determine if you can print. Some attached printers may not work with this command. If you dial-in, whether or not you can print may depend on the terminal emulation or communications program you are using. 5. To Print a mail message, view the message on the screen and press Y. Quit Pine To Quit Pine press Q from anywhere within the program. If you deleted messages from folders, you are asked to confirm the deletions. If you moved messages from folders, you are asked to confirm the move. Notes and hints ¥ Dial-in users may experience problems with garbage characters on the screen and keyboard malfunctions when using Pine. This may be caused by Pine not recognizing your terminal type. If you are having problems on KUHUB, enter the following command from the system prompt: pico login.com Add the following line: $ set terminal/device=vt100 On the other multiuser systems, FALCON, LARK, STAT1, and UKANAIX you need to determine which UNIX shell you are using. If you are unsure which shell you are using from the system prompt enter the command: echo $SHELL The letters ksh indicate the Korn shell, csh indicates the C shell. If you are using the Korn shell add the following line to the file .profile: export TERM=vt100 If you are using the C shell add the following line to the file .login: setenv term vt100 To edit the files using the Pico text editor, from the system prompt enter the command: pico filename where filename is the name of the file you are editing. Save messages in folders Mail messages may be moved from the INBOX folder and organized by topic in message folders. When considering which messages to save remember that disk space is limited so please save only those messages you need. To save a message to a folder: 1. View the message on the screen. 2. Press S to Save the message. 3. Enter the folder name and press . If the folder does not exist you will be prompted to create the folder. 4. If you would like to save to an existing folder and have forgotten its name, press ^T to see a list of existing mail folders. Save messages as text files An e-mail message may be saved or exported to text file in your home directory or a subdirectory. The file can then be copied, moved, edited, or printed. To Export a mail message to a text file: 1. View the message on the screen. 2. Press E to Export the message. 3. Enter a file name for the message and press . The message is now saved as a text file. Including text files Text files created in another editor or on your desktop computer may be included in a mail message. If the text file was created on a desktop computer it must be saved as a ACSII (or DOS) text file. It may be copied to the home directory of your multius er account in one of two ways: ¥ If you dial-in to your multiuser account using Kermit or some other communications program that supports the Kermit file transfer protocol, follow the instructions in the Kermit in Brief for the commands to copy a file from your home computer to your mu ltiuser account. ¥ If you dial-in via a SLIP or PPP connection or have an on campus Ethernet connection, you may use one of the shareware ftp programs, WS_FTP or Fetch to transfer the file from your desktop computer to your multiuser account. See the appropriate program documentation. To include a text file in a mail message: 1. From anywhere within the Pine program, press C to Compose a new mail message. Enter the e-mail address and subject line. 2. Position the cursor in the message area where the text file is to be inserted and press ^R. 3. Enter the name of the file and press or to view a list of all the files in your home directory press ^T and select the file name from the file list. Attaching files Files located on your multiuser account may be Attached to a mail message as a separate file. An attached file may be of any file format, i.e., text or binary. An attached file is encoded in the MIME format. For someone to decode the attached file, they also must be using a MIME compatible mail reader, such as Pine, to read their e-mail. 1. From the Main Menu press C to Compose a message. 2. In the Attchmnt: field enter the name of the file. To see a list of all the file name in your home directory press ^T. Highlight the filename and press S to select the file to attach. The file name appears in the Attchmnt: field of the mail header. 3. You may attach more than one file, by seperating the file names with a comma and no spaces. Signature files A signature file is a text file containing your name, affiliation, mail address, and anything of interest you would like to append to every mail message you send. By convention, signatures are not more than 5 lines long. Pine checks for a file in your h ome directory called .signature (or on KUHUB .sig) and appends it to outgoing mail messages. To create a signature file using the Pico editor: 1. Enter the following command at the system prompt: pico .signature (or .sig on KUHUB). 2. Enter the text of your signature file. Press ^X to save the file. When you Compose, Reply, or Forward using Pine, you see the signature in the Message Text area. It may be deleted (^K) if it is not needed. Address Book Your Address Book organizes e-mail addresses and allows you to assign each perosn a nickname. When you Compose, Reply, or Forward a mail message you enter the persons nick name instead of full e-mail address. To add entries to your address book you may either copy them from incoming e-mail messages or enter them into the address book manually. To copy an e-mail address from an incoming mail message to the address book: 1. View the message on the screen. 2. Press T to Take the address and place it in the address book. 3. Enter a nickname to refer to the person. 4. Enter the full name of the person as last name first, followed by a comma then a space, and the first name. 5. Enter the e-mail address of the person. The entry is added to the address book. To retrieve an e-mail address from the address book: 1. From the Main Menu press C to Compose a new message. 2. Enter the nickname of the person in the To: field. The nickname expands to the full name and e-mail address. Distribution mailing lists In the address book you may create distribution lists to send e-mail to people with similar interests, such as members of an organization or department. To create a distribution mailing list: 1. From the Main Menu press A to access the Address Book. 2. Press S to Create a List. 3. Enter a long name for the list. 4. Enter the nickname for the list that you will use to refer to the list by in the To: field of Compose. 5. Enter the e-mail addresses of the persons on the mailing list. If the person is already in your address book, enter only the nickname you refer to them by. 6. When you have entered all the addresses enter a blank address to finish. To use the distribution mailing list, enter the nick name of the list in the To: field of the Compose, Reply, or Forward commands. Forward your mail Your mail messages may be forwarded to another computer system on the Internet. On FALCON, LARK, STAT1, or UKANAIX create file called .forward. To create the file using the Pico editor, enter the following from the system prompt: pico .forward Enter the address where your mail is to be forwarded. For example: student@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Press after the address and exit Pico by pressing ^X. On KUHUB, from the DCL prompt ($) enter the command: mail At the Mail> prompt enter the new address: SET FORWARD "IN%""username@host.domain""" (those are double quotes, and there are three at the end of the command.) Quit Pine To Quit Pine press Q from anywhere within the program. If you deleted messages you are asked to confirm the deletions. Applying a command to several mail messages There are many times when you would like to apply one command to several mail messages at once. For example, you might want to Delete or Print more than one message at a time. The Select command allows you to select messages and the Apply command performs an action on the selected messages. To select messages: 1. Go to the folder index by pressing I. 2. Press the semicolon (;). You may select messages either one a time, or by some type of criteria. The criteria you may use includes: ¥ All the messages in the open folderÑpress A. ¥ Only the current messageÑpress C. ¥ Certain messages by numbersÑpress N and enter a comma-delimited list of message numbers. ¥ By message dateÑpress D and enter On, Before, or Since (O,B, or S) and the date. ¥ By a text string in the Subject or From fieldsÑpress T and enter the text. 3. Continue to Select messages until all the required messages are selected. To Apply a command to selected messages: 1. Press A to access the Apply command. 2. From the Apply menu choose one of the following commands: D to Delete, R to Reply, F to Forward, Y to Print, T to Take the Address, S to Save to a messages folder, E to Export to a text file, * to Flag as important, and | to Pipe to a UNIX command. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 17:55:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23018; Tue, 14 Mar 95 17:55:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11544; Tue, 14 Mar 95 17:39:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11535; Tue, 14 Mar 95 17:39:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rohyU-00038MC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 17:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: trouble with pico spliting long lines Date: 13 Mar 1995 13:48:48 GMT Message-Id: <3k1ig0$h28@news1.halcyon.com> References: "Sys. Admin." writes: >can pico be told *not* to wrap/split long lines?? Use `pico -w filename' - I think it can handle lines up to 256 characters long. -- /\_/\ Nancy McGough /\_/\ Vote for the humanities.misc @..@ ( o.o )Infinite Ink ( o.o ) newsgroup! The Call For Votes (----) > ~ < http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < is in news.announce.newgroups.( >__< ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 19:43:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25927; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:43:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13316; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:38:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [198.76.200.3] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13310; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:38:09 -0800 Received: by mail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03742; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:38:13 +0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Old To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Why the plus sign? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1618 On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, Kevin Yeung wrote: > I think this question has been asked before, but I am wondering if > somebody's gonna tell me again. > > On a mailing list, Pine shows a plus sign before an email which is Cc'd to > keviny@somewhere.else, when my email address is keviny@hk.super.net and > keviny@hk.linkage.net. Why? Does Pine only match the username and > ignore the domain name? Thanks a lot. It was asked before - by me - but I never saw a definative answer. On my system the problem is actually the opposite of yours: Mail addressed to user@mail (i.e. from someone on the same machine) always gets the plus sign, but mail addressed to user@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us sometimes does and sometimes does not. It's very frustrating to users whose personal mail is buried among hundreds of mailing list messages, since they can't count on the plus signs to make their personal mail easily identifiable. The only pattern I can discern (but can't guarantee 100% reproducability) is: o Mail to user@mail from a sender on the same machine always shows up with a plus sign. o Mail to user@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us from a sender on the same machine (mail) sometimes gets a plus sign, sometimes not. o Mail to user@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us from a sender _not_ on the same machine always get a plus sign. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis E. Old (Chip Old) Internet: fold@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Internetworking Administrator Voice: (410) 887-6180 Baltimore County Public Library FAX: (410) 887-2091 320 York Road Towson, Maryland 21204 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 19:44:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25948; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:44:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13308; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:38:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13302; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:37:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rojp6-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) Subject: Pine and a Mail Folder Distribution Message-Id: <3k4p8j$j13@leia.ursinus.edu> Date: 14 Mar 1995 19:02:43 -0000 Help. Ok, I'm a LINUX new user and have tried to get the answer to this question from too many people... No luck in man pages or sysadmin. Is there anyway to configure Pine to automatically place mail from certain users is their folders? I.E. Mail from Bob@bob.net would be automatically put into folder BOB. Email response is preferred, but a followup is fine; you all are doing me a favor, I'm not gonna complain. Thanks alot, Jon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 19:44:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25969; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:44:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22865; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:39:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22859; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:39:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rojqq-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) Subject: PINE Spell Checker Message-Id: <3k4pc7$j17@leia.ursinus.edu> Date: 14 Mar 1995 19:04:39 -0000 I'm using PINE on a LINUX. I have basic generic access. Our sysadmin has not installed the PINE Spell checker... any way I can do this myself??? Thanks in advance, Jon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 19:52:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26233; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:52:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13476; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:48:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from email.unc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13470; Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:48:19 -0800 Received: by email.unc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA48344; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:48:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Faulk To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Subject: bug Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII to whom it may concern, i postponed a message fifteen minutes ago and the computer asks if i want to continue the interuppted message and when i say yes it says that i dont really have a message saved. this document is an academic paper that is due tommorow--can somebody please help me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 20:57:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27595; Tue, 14 Mar 95 20:57:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14398; Tue, 14 Mar 95 20:54:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14392; Tue, 14 Mar 95 20:54:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rol4w-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 20:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: friedman@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Faith) Subject: cmsg cancel <3k3bbg$3tb@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Control: cancel <3k3bbg$3tb@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Date: 13 Mar 1995 23:51:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3k3htp$i2e@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 21:27:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28285; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:27:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24401; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:24:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24395; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:24:23 -0800 Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA02321; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 21:11:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Juanita Fischer X-Sender: juanfisc@netcom19 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: UUDECODE PROBLEM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A uuencoded file was sent to me as part of a message, not as an attachment. I piped the message to uudecode. Neither unzip, pkzip, or uudecode would decode it, either in my unix shell, or on my pc? What am I missing? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 21:44:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28672; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:44:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24678; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:40:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24672; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:40:07 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28768; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:40:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 21:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Jonathan Bodarky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and a Mail Folder Distribution In-Reply-To: <3k4p8j$j13@leia.ursinus.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes... in the Setup/Config screen find: "saved-msg-name-rule" and set it to "by-recipient" Note that this setting is also handy for saving newsgroup messages into a folder of the same (newsgroup) name. -teg On 14 Mar 1995, Jonathan Bodarky wrote: > Help. > Ok, I'm a LINUX new user and have tried to get the answer to this > question from too many people... No luck in man pages or sysadmin. > > Is there anyway to configure Pine to automatically place mail from > certain users is their folders? I.E. Mail from Bob@bob.net would be > automatically put into folder BOB. > > Email response is preferred, but a followup is fine; you all are doing me > a favor, I'm not gonna complain. > > Thanks alot, > Jon > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 21:47:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28773; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:47:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24654; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:38:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24648; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:38:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rolgl-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hubert@cs.nyu.edu (Hung-Hsien Chang) Subject: how to return an unwanted e-mail? Date: 14 Mar 1995 08:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3k47fd$f4d@sparky.cs.nyu.edu> This has been a puzzle to me ( I haven't thought about an automatical way of doing it.) A person asked me if we could return the unwanted e-mail to the original sender and make it as if is from the mail damond. I feel funny and say why don't you just delete it and return a mail saying that you don't want to receive mail from the person! Any way of doing it? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 21:49:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28829; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:49:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24784; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:45:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24778; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:45:14 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28547; Tue, 14 Mar 95 21:45:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 21:45:00 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David Worrell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to tell when articles are read in News? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you select the "news-approximates-new-status" feature, Pine will use the last message you mark as deleted as the "high water mark" for what you've seen, and show everything after than with an "N". -teg On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, David Worrell wrote: > A friend of mine asked me this question, and I can't figure it out either. > I would think this would be simple... > > The question: > By the way, Pine is great. Is there any way you can mark what you've > read in a newsgroup with Pine? I like the interface much more than > nn, but it doesn't remember what messages I've read, and I can't figure > out how to make it work. > > If you know this, please email. > > Thanks, > > > - David > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 23:42:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01529; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:42:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16721; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:38:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16715; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:38:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ronZe-00038HC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: trouble with pico spliting long lines Date: 15 Mar 1995 02:56:40 GMT Message-Id: <3k5l18$81d@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3k1ig0$h28@news1.halcyon.com> Fuzzy wrote: >: "Sys. Admin." writes: >: >can pico be told *not* to wrap/split long lines?? > >do we have to do something during compile time to activate the -w >option? The -w option disables word wrap, (automatically moving words at the end of a line to the next line). It doesn't stop pico from splitting lines that it thinks are too long when it reads in a file. Maybe you could modify the pico source (disclaimer: I've never even seen the pico source) to allow lines that are long enough for your purposes. I doubt you'll be able to get pico to allow lines of arbitrary length without rewriting it. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 14 23:58:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01834; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:58:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26657; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:53:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26651; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:53:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ronnd-00038DC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Step-by-step SCO, imapd and PC-PINE Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:45:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9503142030.AA00433@wizard> Hello. This isn't a bug in Pine; it's a bug in your Solaris C compiler environment. Solaris gleefully permits you to compile programs as SVR4 software, but link them with the BSD libraries -- all with absolutely no indication to you that this has happened! We've tried zillions of things, but what works for some people doesn't work for others. Inserting -lc in the LDFLAGS of the pine/imap/imapd Makefile is one workaround that seems to work for many people. Or, you can just use the pre-built binary from ftp.cac.washington.edu, file pine/unix-bin/imapd-bin.solaris . We test the Solaris binaries to be sure they built right before putting them on the FTP server (or at least, we do now that we're aware of the problem). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) On 14 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > I'm curious, once you set up your folder-collections, are you able to view > the folders in PC-Pine properly? > > I've found, although I'm using Solaris imap, that the folders drop the two > first characters in the pcpine (winsock or pcnfs) display. > > I was told that it was a bug that had been corrected in a recent release of > imap and today I've installed the March BETA release but it hasn't made a > difference. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 00:08:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02100; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:08:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26677; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:54:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26671; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:54:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ronnZ-00038CC; Tue, 14 Mar 95 23:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Step-by-step SCO, imapd and PC-PINE Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:44:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9503142030.AA00433@wizard> Hello. This isn't a bug in Pine; it's a bug in your Solaris C compiler environment. Solaris gleefully permits you to compile programs as SVR4 software, but link them with the BSD libraries -- all with absolutely no indication to you that this has happened! We've tried zillions of things, but what works for some people doesn't work for others. Inserting -lc in the LDFLAGS of the pine/imap/imapd Makefile is one workaround that seems to work for many people. Or, you can just use the pre-built binary from ftp.cac.washington.edu, file pine/unix-bin/imapd-bin.solaris . We test the Solaris binaries to be sure they built right before putting them on the FTP server (or at least, we do now that we're aware of the problem). -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) On 14 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > I'm curious, once you set up your folder-collections, are you able to view > the folders in PC-Pine properly? > > I've found, although I'm using Solaris imap, that the folders drop the two > first characters in the pcpine (winsock or pcnfs) display. > > I was told that it was a bug that had been corrected in a recent release of > imap and today I've installed the March BETA release but it hasn't made a > difference. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 00:31:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02540; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:31:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27055; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:24:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27049; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:24:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rooM1-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:20:40 GMT Message-Id: <3k5me8$8eg@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3jmauq$157@hustle.rahul.net> Adam J Weitzman wrote: >eating up so much space in my mailbox. I was going to write a long Unsubsribe from pine-info and read comp.mail.pine instead. >Make posting news a completely different keystroke (for argument's sake, *I* like that idea; I've always objected to calling following up "replying" -- it's not replying, it's following up. But the Pine authors want to treat news and mail as similarly as possible. Also, the Pine authors anguished over changing the print keystroke to ^Y; there's no way they're going to change the send/post keystroke. I think that Pine's antisocial behavior can be corrected without making the users learn new keystrokes. All that is needed is to figure out a better way to tell whether a message/article is from mail or news than the existence of a Newsgroups header. Pine 3.92 is supposed to have improvements in this area. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 00:34:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02634; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:34:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17329; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:29:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17323; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:29:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rooRM-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Sai Pinnepalli Subject: Is this really a bug!! Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 18:02:15 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This could be a problem with my PC but I need to know for sure message: Bug in pine detected: "out of free storage" Exiting pine pcpine for LWP used. My setup: DOS 6.2, LWP on IBM token-ring card (4 mbps). LWP functioning well. seems to contact IMAP server ( asks for password), then quits with the above message. Suggestions (even if trivial) are welcome. case 2: The above setup does not work with packet driver setup using an ibmtoken.exe. The configuration works fine for CUTCP utilities. pcpine cannot find imap server. Please suggest sai |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| Sai Pinnepalli eepinn@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu Systems Analyst sai@max.ee.lsu.edu Office of Sponsored Research Louisiana State University OFF (504) 388-6911 Baton Rouge, LA 70803 FAX (504) 388-6792 |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 01:06:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03616; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:06:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17763; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:59:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17751; Wed, 15 Mar 95 00:59:45 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:56:40 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id IAA18681; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:59:13 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:59:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Donna or Andy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine does not *automatically* subscribe you to any newsgroups (unless, of course, your local system administrator has *substantially* changed the Pine program :-) However Pine *does* use the same ".newsrc" file that other newsreaders use. It is quite possible that you have used some other newsreader in the past which has automatically subscribed you to all the groups. In fact I know from experience that this can happen accidentally: Whilst Pine is our preferred/recommended mailer and news reader here we also provide (unsupported) Tin. When Tin starts up for the first time it sends a "list subscriptions" command to the news server for a list of the newsgroups to automatically subscribe you to. Unfortunately if the news server does not support this command you get an error. Tin ends up subscribing you to ALL the newsgroups. Sigh. Anyway, the easiest way to unsubscribe from *everything* is to delete the file called ".newsrc" in your login directory (I'm assuming you're using a UNIX system). Don't worry if you can't see this file when you give an "ls" command (Unix normally hides files whose names start with a "."); give the command "ls -a" to see *all* the files and you should then spot the ".newsrc" file. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Donna or Andy wrote: > When I first set up my pine mailer to view newsgroups, it had > automatically subscribed me to a kazillion groups, a zillion of which I > have no interest in. How do I unsubscribe to them all quickly so I can > then subscribe to the ones I want? It is so slow removing them one at a time. > > Donna > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 01:13:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03847; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:13:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27592; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:04:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27576; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:04:14 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:00:04 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA19095; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:02:29 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Niparut Chairungruang - RARC Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How can I use PINE to build my Home Page? In-Reply-To: <3js21v$d6h@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You don't. Pine is a program for reading electronic mail that has been sent to you. It can also be used for reading Usenet News articles and also posting your own to the Usenet News system. Pine is not a World-Wide Web browser (a thing which lets you view pages from the Web), nor is it an editor (which you normally use to create such pages yourself). You should probably be using an editor to create your Web pages, and check them using a Web Browser such as Mosaic or Netscape (for X workstations, micros, etc) or Lynx (terminal screen based without the fancy graphics). If you need more help try asking in the comp.infosystems.users Usenet News group. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On 11 Mar 1995, Niparut Chairungruang - RARC wrote: > Hi everybody, > > How can I use PINE or other program to build my WWW home page? > > Thank you very much > > Un > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 01:16:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03957; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:16:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27793; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:10:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27787; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:09:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rop3g-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mansour@io.org (Peter Mansour) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 14 Mar 1995 04:18:01 -0500 Message-Id: References: In article <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: > Rahul Dhesi writes: > > Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news > > "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") > > is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it > > becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should > > be derived from it. I wonder why you would say this. I read news offline and post follow ups offline -- Does what you say apply to me? If it does, then I will not be inclined to do anything different because no one has said anything that explains what you say applying to me. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Peter Mansour Email: mansour@io.org Fax: (416) 536-7743 Toronto, Canada +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 01:31:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04490; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:31:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18235; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:22:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18229; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:22:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ropDr-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: Re: Pine under solaris 2.4 .... AIE! Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:41:09 GMT Message-Id: <3k5nkl$1133@news.missouri.edu> References: <3k4ti0$92s@mis.nu.edu> Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: : Well... I've been futzing around for a day or so and am prolly : missing something real obvious here, but below is a log of what : happens with addrbook.c when I try to compile Pine. Our system is : running solaris 2.4. : Anyone out there who might be able to lend an idea as to what I'm : doing wrong? Is this with or without the patches I posted? Regards, David -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 01:58:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05094; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:58:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18584; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:49:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18578; Wed, 15 Mar 95 01:49:38 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:46:36 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA26345; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:49:07 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:49:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: David Worrell Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: How to tell when articles are read in News? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Unless I missed a message I think Terry missed out one important thing... To tell Pine you have seen (finished with) a news article use the "D" command to "delete" it, just as you would an ordinary e-mail message. Because news articles are actually held on a read-only server this doesn't *really* delete the article, but simply excludes it from the index shown to you. (It also gets noted in your ".newsrc" file for future use by Pine and other news readers.) You can see the entire list of available messages again by using the "Unexclude" command (&). If you have the "news-approximates-new-status" option set in the Setup Configuration screen then Pine endeavours to add "extra value" be deciding whether undeleted messages have been seen or not (the latter being flagged as "New" with an "N" in the index screen). This ios done by looking at the highest numbered deleted article. Pine then *assumes* that previous (lower numbered) articles you have already read but not deleted and so shows them with " " status. Higher numbered articles it assumes are newly delivered, and so marks with an "N". This *is* a guess (hence the "approximates"). Pine has only one bit available to it to store three possible states (an impossibility, hence the guesswork). This is because most newsreaders have only "New & included in index" and "Seen & excluded from index" message states, as against Pine's three: "New & included in index", "Seen & included in index", "Seen & excluded from index". This is because of the Pine Team's idea that news articles should *not* automatically disappear from the index once they are read. Instead the user must take some deliberate action to exclude it. I think they have a good idea here; I have found the "read once and it's gone" approach of other news readers to be their most confusing attribute (both personally and in others). So the upshot is simply to use the D command to "delete" each article when you have finished with it. You'll probably ask this at some point next, so here's a pre-emptive answer... You can mark all the articles in a newsgroup as "seen" (deleted) by first using the Select command (;) to choose them All (A), then Apply (A) a Delete command (D) to them. That is, type ;AAD Note that for the Select and Apply command to be available you must have the "enable-aggregate-command" option set in the Setup Configuration screen. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-432767 On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, Terry Gray wrote: > If you select the "news-approximates-new-status" feature, Pine will use > the last message you mark as deleted as the "high water mark" for what > you've seen, and show everything after than with an "N". > > -teg > > On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, David Worrell wrote: > > > A friend of mine asked me this question, and I can't figure it out either. > > I would think this would be simple... > > > > The question: > > By the way, Pine is great. Is there any way you can mark what you've > > read in a newsgroup with Pine? I like the interface much more than > > nn, but it doesn't remember what messages I've read, and I can't figure > > out how to make it work. > > > > If you know this, please email. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > - David > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 05:11:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10456; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:11:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21341; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:06:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [140.109.40.248] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21335; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:06:37 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA05834; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:07:06 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:07:05 +0000 () From: Brian Tao To: PINE-INFO-L Subject: Pine 3.91 on FreeBSD 2.x Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, Althought this is my first message to pine-info, I've been a long-time user of Pine. Pine 3.91 finally convinced me it was okay to toss out Elm. ;-) I grabbed the entire pine-info archive on the FTP site and noticed a few people were having problems compiling or running Pine on a FreeBSD machine. I'm running the 950210 snapshot of FreeBSD 2.0 and Pine 3.91 compiles and runs very nicely with only a couple of tweaks and building it as BSD/OS ("build bsi"). My mail comes in through two remote IMAP servers (one down the road and the other on the other side of the globe) and news is through a local NNTP server. Reading/sending/posting messages all work properly AFAIK. If there are any other FreeBSD folks out there having problems, post about it and I'll try to reproduce/fix them. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 05:32:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11040; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:32:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01476; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:22:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01470; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:22:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rosx4-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Thomas_R_Stevenson@ucc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson) Subject: Problems compiling pine 3.91 with gcc on Sol 2.3. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 16:21:19 GMT Message-Id: <3k1rso$3lh@cwis-20.wayne.edu> I just got done compiling pine 3.91 using gcc on Sol 2.3. This was one of the biggest pains I've been through! First of all, none of the makefiles, or the build script was set up for gcc, so I had to make many changes to get it to compile. Second, the source code has hard code path locations (/usr/local/...) all over the place, and we install code in locations other than in /usr/local, so I had to make changes for that. I've been installing programs for Unix for about 6 years now, and I've never had to make so many changes to makefiles and source code as I did with pine! There isn't any reason why pine has to have these problems! gcc is a popular cc compiler, so I don't know why it wasn't set up for it. And why would anyone hard code path locations in a program? pine is nice, but I'm not sure if it is worth all of the problems (when new versions come out). If anyone is thinking about making any new changes to pine, I would suggest making it more portable. Maybe using Configure or IMakefiles and removing the hard coded path locations. Thomas_R_Stevenson@UCC.Wayne.Edu ____ __ __ Tom@Gopher.Wayne.Edu / /_/ /_ Thomas.Richard.Stevenson@MTS.CC.Wayne.Edu /. /\ . __/. Tom@CMS.CC.Wayne.Edu UserTom@WayneMTS.Bitnet Tom@WayneSt1.Bitnet For PGP Public key: finger tstevens@tom.cc.wayne.edu "A common mistake that people make when trying to Douglas Adams design something completely foolproof was to Mostly Harmless underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 06:13:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11934; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:13:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22059; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:00:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22053; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:00:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rotZi-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 05:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gblake@mis.nu.edu (Gregory "snooze" Blake) Subject: Pine under solaris 2.4 .... AIE! Date: 14 Mar 1995 12:16:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3k4ti0$92s@mis.nu.edu> Well... I've been futzing around for a day or so and am prolly missing something real obvious here, but below is a log of what happens with addrbook.c when I try to compile Pine. Our system is running solaris 2.4. Anyone out there who might be able to lend an idea as to what I'm doing wrong? snooze ------------ log below vvvvvv------------------vvvvvv----------- cc -DSV4 -g -DDEBUG -DANSI -c addrbook.c -o addrbook.o "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 141: identifier redeclared: getopt current : function(int, pointer to pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int previous: function(int, pointer to const pointer to char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 283 "/usr/include/stdlib.h", line 142: identifier redeclared: getsubopt current : function(pointer to pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char) returning int previous: function(pointer to pointer to char, pointer to const pointer to char, pointer to pointer to char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 285 "/usr/include/unistd.h", line 225: identifier redeclared: rename current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning int previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning int : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 148 "./pine.h", line 1196: identifier redeclared: popen current : function(pointer to char, pointer to char) returning pointer to struct {int _cnt, pointer to uchar _ptr, pointer to uchar _b... previous: function(pointer to const char, pointer to const char) returning pointer to struct {int _cnt, pointer to uchar _ptr, pointer... : "/usr/include/stdio.h", line 280 "addrbook.c", line 3954: cannot recover from previous errors cc: acomp failed for addrbook.c make: *** [addrbook.o] Error 2 -- ------------------------------------PLUR--------------------------------------- Gregory Blake - snooze@DeepSeas,TooMUSH]I[,fantasia,etc - snooze@mis.nu.edu 619-563-2595 | 619-528-4531 | home: 4783 Utah St, San Diego 92116 "Understanding is a three edged sword." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 06:25:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12164; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:25:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02265; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:21:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from admin.ALLEG.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02259; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:21:03 -0800 Received: by admin.alleg.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08752; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:15:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 09:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Gifford To: Pine Mailing List Subject: default cc: in header Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We would like to know how to automatically include an address in the cc: field for all composed messages and have not been able to find anything in the online help. Any ideas? Pete Gifford Systems Manager Allegheny College pgifford@admin.alleg.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 06:29:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12303; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:29:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22375; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:21:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [140.109.40.248] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22369; Wed, 15 Mar 95 06:21:45 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA05934; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:22:03 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:22:02 +0000 () From: Brian Tao To: Thomas Richard Stevenson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems compiling pine 3.91 with gcc on Sol 2.3. In-Reply-To: <3k1rso$3lh@cwis-20.wayne.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Thomas Richard Stevenson wrote: > > I just got done compiling pine 3.91 using gcc on Sol 2.3. This was one > of the biggest pains I've been through! Have you tried building TeX/LaTeX2e/xdvi/dvips with the kpathsea library from scratch yet? ;-) > First of all, none of the makefiles, or the build script was set up > for gcc, so I had to make many changes to get it to compile. Pine should stick with a top-level Makefile that passes CC, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc. down to the lower Makefiles. Making a single change in ./Makefile then propagates down to imapd, pico, pine, etc. > Second, the source code has hard code path locations (/usr/local/...) > all over the place, and we install code in locations other than in > /usr/local, so I had to make changes for that. Examples? I grepped through *.[ch] in the pine/ subdirectory and didn't find any occurrences of "/usr/local" that specified a pathname, except in os.h. There are four hits in helptext.c and two in init.c, none of which affect where Pine looks for support files. > pine is nice, but I'm not sure if it is worth all of the problems > (when new versions come out). If anyone is thinking about making any > new changes to pine, I would suggest making it more portable. Maybe > using Configure or IMakefiles and removing the hard coded path > locations. I might compile 3.91 on our Solaris 2.4 system some time soon, if the real admin doesn't get around to updating it from 3.89. I'll post about any problems I encounter. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 08:46:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18263; Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:46:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25132; Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:39:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25122; Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:38:57 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA17916; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:39:41 -0800 Received: from trex by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00626; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:37:56 +0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:39:34 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq X-Sender: david@trex To: Jonathan Bodarky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine and a Mail Folder Distribution In-Reply-To: <3k4p8j$j13@leia.ursinus.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1364 On 14 Mar 1995, Jonathan Bodarky wrote: > > Is there anyway to configure Pine to automatically place mail from > certain users is their folders? I.E. Mail from Bob@bob.net would be > automatically put into folder BOB. > >From what I understand putting incoming mail in appropriate folders is left up to third party programs what pine does is let you configure it to accept incoming mail of different types (i.e. different inboxes). Take a look at the help page by selecting help on feature: enable-incoming-folders: (an excerpt) NOTE: Pine does not do "delivery filtering"; this is the province of other programs such as "filter" or "procmail". Pine's Incoming Message Folders collection provides a convenient way to access multiple incoming folders, once they are created by other programs. It is also useful if you have accounts on multiple computers. Some of the other more experienced piners might care to comment... Cheers, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 09:00:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19003; Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:00:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25280; Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:44:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25273; Wed, 15 Mar 95 08:44:07 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA18025; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:44:57 -0800 Received: from trex by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00629; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:43:12 +0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq X-Sender: david@trex To: Hung-Hsien Chang Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how to return an unwanted e-mail? In-Reply-To: <3k47fd$f4d@sparky.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 771 On 14 Mar 1995, Hung-Hsien Chang wrote: > way of doing it.) A person asked me if we could return the unwanted > e-mail to the original sender and make it as if is from the > mail damond. Try using the Bounce command (you may need to enable this feature first) then from within the inbox message listing type B. Cheers, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 09:47:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21930; Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:47:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06853; Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:40:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06847; Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:40:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rox0C-00038DC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 09:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber) Subject: Macintosh version? (Or any IMAP Mac client) Date: 15 Mar 1995 10:51:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3k72e4$jlf@harvey.cs.umd.edu> Is there a Macintosh version of pine available? I'm in a situation where POP mailreaders are not going to cut the mustard.... Thanks! -Jerry -- UUCP: uunet!cs.umd.edu!jerryw Jerry Wieber INTERNET: jerryw@cs.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 10:17:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23399; Wed, 15 Mar 95 10:17:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07618; Wed, 15 Mar 95 10:09:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07606; Wed, 15 Mar 95 10:09:23 -0800 Received: by server.bridgeway.com id <207555>; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:11:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:11:28 -0800 From: Andrew Le To: Jerry Wieber Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macintosh version? (Or any IMAP Mac client) In-Reply-To: <3k72e4$jlf@harvey.cs.umd.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree.. I vote for a Macintosh version of Pine... a PowerPC native Pine would be neat too! Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 11:00:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25634; Wed, 15 Mar 95 11:00:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28792; Wed, 15 Mar 95 10:56:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28786; Wed, 15 Mar 95 10:55:59 -0800 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.100]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19805 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:55:25 -0800 Received: from amdsys.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14046 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:46:53 -0800 Received: by amdsys.amdev.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22852; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:26:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 10:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Hopkins X-Sender: mdh@amdsys To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: pine@cac.washington.edu Subject: Administration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have an IBM RS/6000 320H using AIX. We installed pine yesterday. We love it and want to make it avaiable to all our users. However, we do not want them to have access to the setup/config option from the main menu. We are looking for a way to keep our regualr users out of this option, but yet leave it open for us system administrators. I might add that we are rather new to AIX, at the upper Novice level. Any help that we could get to solve this challenge would be appreciated. Mark D. Hopkins Advanced Manufacturing & Development Willits, CA mdh@amdev.com (707) 459-9451 x146 (707) 459-2046 - fax From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 11:06:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25819; Wed, 15 Mar 95 11:06:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08947; Wed, 15 Mar 95 11:02:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [140.109.40.248] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08941; Wed, 15 Mar 95 11:02:11 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA00291; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:02:43 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:02:43 +0000 () From: Brian Tao To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macintosh version? (Or any IMAP Mac client) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Andrew Le wrote: > > I agree.. I vote for a Macintosh version of Pine... a > PowerPC native Pine would be neat too! How on earth would one benefit from a native PPC version of Pine? MIME messages don't take *that* long to decode! :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 13:14:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02360; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:14:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11681; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:02:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11669; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:02:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp07p-00038DC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 12:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wmpetor@kar1.wmdata.se (Peer Torngren) Subject: Re: Looking for Commercial Imap mail program Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:12:29 GMT References: gweil@ibeam.intel.com (Garry A. Weil) writes: >I am wondering if there are any commercial imap based mail readers for >Windows or Macs? Anybody know? >GW For Windows, there is Embla (formerly known as PC-MM), by ICL Pro Systems in Sweden (Linkoeping). I think they're getting ready to move it to the U.S. market now (or have done just recently). I've used it in v1.0. I think it's good, but it had some v1.0-ish "features" ;). Don't know what's happened when they renamed it, but if some of the bugs are gone, it might be a real nice reader. I think you might find info if you mail a request to info@li.icl.se. Hope the e-mail address works ... -- Peer Toerngren, WM-data Konsult AB, S Kyrkogatan 4, S-652 24 Karlstad (Sweden) Tel: +46-(0)54/18 04 25 Fax: +46-(0)54/15 67 85 Email: peer.torngren@kar1.wmdata.se "Proper disclaimer applies wherever applicable." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 14:06:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04391; Wed, 15 Mar 95 14:06:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13331; Wed, 15 Mar 95 14:01:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13325; Wed, 15 Mar 95 14:01:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp15d-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: sreeni@india.hp.com (P Sreenivasa) Subject: Pine/sendmail problem on HPUX Date: 15 Mar 1995 07:56:02 GMT Message-Id: <3k66ii$g6g@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Hi: I am using Pine 3.91 on HP-UX 712/9.05. Whenever I send a mail to multiple addresses, for eg., To: someone@some.where, someone@some.where my sendmail daemon complains that it is under POSSIBLE ATTACK - "there is a newline in strings "someone@some.where, someone@some.where". The sendmail log file does n't show a newline between the addresses. BTW, this is happening after installing latest sendmail patch from HP. Does anyone faced this problem before? Any clues what is really happening and a possible solution. Thanks in advance, Best regards, - sreeni From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 14:11:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04623; Wed, 15 Mar 95 14:11:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03056; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:58:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03050; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:58:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17281; Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:58:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:58:05 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Raymond Parent Cc: Pineinfo , PineDev Subject: Re: Character accents (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Raymond, If you set "character-set=ISO-8859-1" in your .pinerc file and assuming your terminal or comm software supports ISO 8859-1 (Latin-1) characters, Pine will accept the accented characters. Note that the recipients of your mail will need MIME-aware mail readers... Thanks for the request! - --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, Raymond Parent wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:43:47 -0500 (EST) > From: Raymond Parent > To: Pineinfo > Cc: PineDev > Subject: Character accents (fwd) > > > > > Raymond Parent > a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:42:10 -0500 (EST) > From: Raymond Parent > To: mime > Subject: Character accents (fwd) > > > > > Raymond Parent > a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:33:47 -0500 (EST) > From: Raymond Parent > To: Pine@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > Subject: Character accents (fwd) > > > > > Raymond Parent > a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:00:33 -0500 (EST) > From: Raymond Parent > To: Seflin > Subject: Character accents > > > Please inform the undersigned if we can type accents on the charracters. > I have to write in French language and would appreciate being able to > type correctly in French. Thank you. > > > > Raymond Parent > a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2di8t/IU4uTDdHNAQFZEQH6A08SZFGk6IjHCaGzEtVzeh1L9SmE3bG/ CXlGb09qX+kOtJfDIbEe5qPuiAaFndMAPtorb6h6zUjxs151tdvNKw== =3knq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 15:13:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07181; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:13:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04638; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:07:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04632; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:07:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp25N-00038KC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Barry Landy Subject: Feature request: folder list refresh Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:11:43 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of my users, who was adding folders by ftp under Pine's nose (or behind its back!) would like a feature to refresh the list of folders without having to leave the folder list and reissue the L command. It would seem logical that ^L should do it. ======================================================================= Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development, University of Cambridge Computing Service Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk 0-1223-334713 +44-1223-334713 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 15:15:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07296; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:15:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14975; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:11:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14969; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:11:03 -0800 Received: by server.bridgeway.com id <207555>; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:13:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:12:56 -0800 From: Andrew Le To: Brian Tao Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Macintosh version? (Or any IMAP Mac client) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I just want more applications for PowerPC! :) I like PowerPC Macintosh over all other systems. On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Andrew Le wrote: > > > > I agree.. I vote for a Macintosh version of Pine... a > > PowerPC native Pine would be neat too! > > How on earth would one benefit from a native PPC version of Pine? > MIME messages don't take *that* long to decode! :) > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 15:44:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08590; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:44:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15612; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:38:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15606; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:38:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp2XR-00038LC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles Date: 15 Mar 1995 09:04:58 GMT Message-Id: <3k6ajq$s74@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jmauq$157@hustle.rahul.net> In weitzman@individual.com (Adam J Weitzman) writes: >There is definitely a religious issue here... Hmm.. >and frankly I'm sick of it >eating up so much space in my mailbox. ^^^^^^^ Hmmmmm.....wonder whose side he's on... >Make posting news a completely different keystroke... Ah! He's on our side. An ideal solution. >...and it sidesteps the religious issue rather neatly, I think. Alas, no. The religious issue *is* that News and mail commands should be the same. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 16:16:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10725; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:16:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06583; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:01:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06577; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:01:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp30H-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 15 Mar 1995 09:28:08 GMT Message-Id: <3k6bv8$t4d@hustle.rahul.net> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> In mansour@io.org (Peter Mansour) writes: >I wonder why you would say this. I read news offline and post follow >ups offline -- Does what you say apply to me? Suppose I have a high-powered Sun machine that gets, oh, 6 incoming newsfeeds totalling a couple of hundred megs a day. If I read or post news on it, am I reading or posting offline? (Probably not, you might say.) What if I cut it down to, say 2 incoming news feeds and 50 megs a day? One incoming newsfeed and 3 megs a day? A sporadic incoming newsfeed that's rather selective based on my tastes, a couple of hundred kbytes a day? Just what is meant by offline news reading? -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 16:21:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10900; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:21:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16820; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:56:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16814; Wed, 15 Mar 95 15:56:19 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id PAA02479; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:55:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Inners Subject: Re: Administration To: Mark Hopkins Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Mark Hopkins wrote: > We have an IBM RS/6000 320H using AIX. We installed pine yesterday. We > love it and want to make it avaiable to all our users. However, we do not > want them to have access to the setup/config option from the main menu. > We are looking for a way to keep our regualr users out of this option, > but yet leave it open for us system administrators. I might add that we > are rather new to AIX, at the upper Novice level. Any help that we could > get to solve this challenge would be appreciated. > > Mark D. Hopkins > Advanced Manufacturing & Development > Willits, CA > mdh@amdev.com > (707) 459-9451 x146 > (707) 459-2046 - fax I don't know if you can prevent users from getting into the Setup .... however .... you can place entries in pine.conf.fixed which will prevent those entries from being overridden by individual users. I guess you could make *every* entry a pine.conf.fixed entry! So even if the user _did_ get into the setup ... he couldn't change anything! sinner@netcom.com Steve Inners From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 16:34:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11516; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:34:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17396; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:20:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17390; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:20:06 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa23784; 15 Mar 95 19:20 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA13582; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:20:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:20:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles In-Reply-To: <3k5me8$8eg@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Mar 1995, Matt Messina wrote: > > >Make posting news a completely different keystroke (for argument's sake, > > *I* like that idea; I've always objected to calling following up > "replying" -- it's not replying, it's following up. But the Pine authors > want to treat news and mail as similarly as possible. However, one of Pine's targets was to be an easy to use & learn mail/news reader for beginners. ( Since they've added aggregate commands, it's also quite usable for non-beginners who get tons of mail. ) I have *yet* to see a beginner who knew what "followup" is supposed to mean. I get lot's of questions about how to post messages in trn, as well as a few from those who "reply" and then want to know why their message never got posted. They have often looked at the help screen, but since "followup" doesn't mean much to the non-computer literate: they skip right past that entry until they see something that sounds suggestive (in plain English) of what they want: "reply". You're 100% correct in maintaining that distinction in Usenet-English, but Pine's "misuse" of the language is one reason WHY I steer the confused newbie's to it. They find it a much less frustrating tool. ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 17:02:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12745; Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:02:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18205; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:57:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18199; Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:57:30 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa29306; 15 Mar 95 19:57 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA13902; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:57:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" X-Sender: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Rahul's Rules In-Reply-To: <3ju0b0$o4t@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 11 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > 1. When standard practice conflicts with an RFC, the RFC is wrong. > (Trust me on this one.) > On 12 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > Well, Usenet is like that. One does not followup to a "dead" Usenet > posting, one that has been plucked from the Usenet context and put into > one's personal folder. Usenet is a game played in context. One > follows up only to a "live" posting, one that has not yet become > "dead". Nothing arriving by email is a Usenet posting (though it might > be a "dead", i.e., saved, copy.) Nothing in one's personal files is a > Usenet posting (thought it might be a "dead", i.e., saved copy). > i.e. When standard practice conflicts with one of "Rahul's Rules", the Rahul is Right. Since Rahul's Rules seem to get more baroque and complicated with each post ( I waiting for him to outlaw laptops, next! :-), I don't think I have to argue further. He will eventually supply his own reductio ad absurdum. On 12 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > It absolutely does not matter if the same email message might also have > been posted to Usenet by its author. If what one has in one's mailbox > is what arrived by email, treat it as email. If one wishes to post a > follow-up, one posts a follow-up to the specific copy that's in the > News spool area. Please see more about this in the aforementioned > separate posting. BTW: My machine, and a great many others, don't even have a "News spool area". I use NNTP ( mostly from Pine and trn ) ---| Steven D. Majewski (804-982-0831) |--- ---| Computer Systems Engineer University of Virginia |--- ---| Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics |--- ---| Box 449 Health Science Center Charlottesville,VA 22908 |--- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 17:54:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15085; Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:54:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08879; Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:43:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08873; Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:43:37 -0800 Received: from mac82-xolotl.lib.utah.edu (mac82-xolotl.lib.utah.edu [128.110.27.208]) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23061; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:42:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199503160142.SAA23061@u.cc.utah.edu> From: FirstName LastName Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:42:54 -2400 To: mh-users@ics.uci.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla/1.0N (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: meeting others through personal ads (advertisement) X-Url: news:D57n0u.8Fw@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com ############# Personal ad placement service ############# PLACE YOUR PERSONAL AD THROUGHOUT THE UKRAINE & WESTERN RUSSIA Several months ago I placed a personal ad in the papers of the Ukraine. 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Best Wishes, George and Olga ############# Personal ad placement service ############# From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 18:15:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15718; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:15:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09176; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:04:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from woolf.individual.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09170; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:04:28 -0800 Received: by individual.com (5.65c/Spike-2.1) id AA27383; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:02:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:02:11 -0500 (EST) From: Adam J Weitzman To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Another try Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles In-Reply-To: <3k6ajq$s74@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > >Make posting news a completely different keystroke... > >...and it sidesteps the religious issue rather neatly, I think. > > Alas, no. The religious issue *is* that News and mail commands should > be the same. Just goes to show you how much I've been skimming these messages. I was under the impression this whole time that the problem was that Pine treated email with a Newsgroups: header as a potential news posting, and that the makers of Pine didn't want to change the current behavior of the program, asking someone if they wanted to post to a newsgroup a message that came in via email and was intended to be an email in reply. I had not realized when I wrote the email that the makers of Pine had already decided that a different news-posting keystroke was out of the question. It seems that they are putting the "news is the same thing as email" philosophy ahead of everything else, even at the expense of making it confusing as to whether your message will be read by one or potentially millions. This would appear to go against the "easy for the newbie" philosophy, wouldn't it? I personally think of news and email as two almost completely separate entities. I realize I am in the minority on this one, but hey. I used Pine as a newsreader at my school account, and I found that it made navigating around much more confusing, and I consider myself to be a reasonably experienced email and news user, having been doing both for over five years. Here's another (partial) solution: Put the newsgroups you are posting to in the To: line in the user interface, and then move them to the Newsgroups: line behind the scenes after the user hits Ctrl-X. When a user replies to a message and there are entries in the Newsgroups: line, ask the user before they start typing if they want to post to those groups. The behavior of "F" and "R" in the newsgroup area would be identical, except that "F" would put the newsgroups in the To: line. I realize this sounds silly at first, but think about it. I won't do another scenario-by-scenario rundown on paper, but I think everything's covered here. You could even perpetuate the Newsgroups: header in email in this scenario, if you desired. *ducks rotten vegetables* The fact that the newsgroups are in the To: line make them much more visible, I think. There is still the danger of a user ignoring the pre-reply question, not realizing that the newsgroup is in the To: line, and misinterpreting the post-reply question, but I think this might cut down on that a little bit, and it preserves the Ctrl-X keystroke. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 18:31:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16198; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:31:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09409; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:19:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [140.109.40.248] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09403; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:19:25 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA01080; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:16:37 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:16:37 +0000 () From: Brian Tao To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles In-Reply-To: <3k6bv8$t4d@hustle.rahul.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 15 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > One incoming newsfeed and 3 megs a day? A sporadic incoming newsfeed > that's rather selective based on my tastes, a couple of hundred > kbytes a day? > > Just what is meant by offline news reading? If your posted articles are not injected into the news stream ASAP after posting, but are spooled to disk for later transmission (e.g., because you do not have a permanent TCP/IP connection), then I would say you are reading offline. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 18:35:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16360; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:35:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09507; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:25:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tango.rahul.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09501; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:25:11 -0800 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA16015 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:25:10 -0800 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA25725 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:25:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199503160225.AA25725@bolero.rahul.net> To: Brian Tao Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Tao of Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:16:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:25:07 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Aside: The attached email was unsoliciated, since I posted to Usenet and did not send any email. If I now reply to it (as I'm doing now), will I be accused of sending abusive email? (I will address the actual issue in comp.mail.pine.) Rahul > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:16:37 GMT > From: Brian Tao > To: Rahul Dhesi > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Message-Id: > Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles > On 15 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > > > One incoming newsfeed and 3 megs a day? A sporadic incoming newsfeed > > that's rather selective based on my tastes, a couple of hundred > > kbytes a day? > > > > Just what is meant by offline news reading? > > If your posted articles are not injected into the news stream ASAP > after posting, but are spooled to disk for later transmission (e.g., > because you do not have a permanent TCP/IP connection), then I would > say you are reading offline. > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 18:39:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16631; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:39:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09493; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:25:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [140.109.40.248] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09483; Wed, 15 Mar 95 18:24:56 -0800 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA01100; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:25:06 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:25:04 +0000 () From: Brian Tao To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > They have often looked at the help screen, but since "followup" doesn't > mean much to the non-computer literate: they skip right past that entry > until they see something that sounds suggestive (in plain English) of > what they want: "reply". Full agreement here. "Followup" simply isn't obvious or intuitive to Usenet novices. "Reply" makes far more sense. I had written a mail/news reader a few years ago that could distinguish between e-mail and a Usenet posting. I stuck with the rRfF convention introduced by rn. One suggestion I heard often from my users was a single command that would intelligently redirect a response to either mail or news depending on the original message. Of course, being the feature-crazy programmer that I am, there were about 5 preference settings related to that one feature. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 19:36:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18190; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:36:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21145; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:27:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21139; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:27:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp6Ab-00038DC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@cope.claremont.edu (kersey black) Subject: Pine 3.91 under irix 5.3 Date: 15 Mar 1995 23:55:08 GMT Message-Id: <3k7uos$26n@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Just a note to say that I just compiled pine under 5.3, and all is fine except that pine code expects "syslog.h" to be in /usr/include when it is in fact in /usr/include/sys. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 19:36:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18226; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:36:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10683; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:32:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10671; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:32:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp6GT-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@cope.claremont.edu (kersey black) Subject: defunct arrow keys Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:07:16 GMT Message-Id: <3k7vfk$26n@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> I am running pine 3.91 on a decstation 5000 with ultrix and a number of users login using pathworks (pain in the ...). I find that I have to set the environmental variable "set term=vt100" to get things to work because pathworks leaves the terminal type defined as "network." This makes things work fine for all but one user. On his machine the arrow keys do not do anything. I read the tech notes about this (page 47 in the ps version), but do not really understand if there is a quick fix and how to proceed. Any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated. kersey black From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 20:00:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18926; Wed, 15 Mar 95 20:00:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21584; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:53:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21578; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:53:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp6Yk-00038CC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 19:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: pine or general mail wrapper Date: 14 Mar 1995 20:19:45 GMT Message-Id: <3k4tp1$821@news1.halcyon.com> I often suspend pine and do other things and then accidentally type `pine' at the unix prompt. I want to write a pine wrapper that will check to see if pine is already running and if it is just restart the already active pine. I'm thinking about using the `jobs' and `fg %n' commands but I wanted to find out if someone already has a great pine wrapper that I could use as a starting point. I'm also interested in other mail wrappers that people use, e.g., for mail or elm. Thanks much, Nancy -- /\_/\ @..@ Vote for the humanities.misc /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough (----) newsgroup! The CFV is at ( o.o ) > ~ < Infinite Ink ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ^ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 20:11:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19244; Wed, 15 Mar 95 20:11:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21749; Wed, 15 Mar 95 20:04:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21743; Wed, 15 Mar 95 20:04:41 -0800 Received: by tiger.lsu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27997; Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:06:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:06:48 -0600 (CST) From: Rachel Anna Rollason To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: problems sending mail Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To anyone who can help: I've been having problems when sending mail. When I send mail, a few seconds later, it comes right back to me. However, at least some of the mail IS getting through. One of my friends is receiving the same mail that I am receiving back. It's very strange. What's up with that? How can I tell if my mail is being sent or not? I would really appreciate some insight into this problem. Thanks a bunch, Rachel A. Rollason From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 21:29:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21324; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:29:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12364; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:24:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12358; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:24:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp7wI-00038DC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ebeers@nunki.usc.edu (Everitt Beers) Subject: "Reply-To" Address Field? Date: 16 Mar 1995 01:10:24 GMT Message-Id: <3k8360$8p0@usc.edu> I'm trying to use pine on my home PC running Linux to handle my mail. However, I can't find anywhere how to set the "Reply-To" field in address headers. Since my mail-address account is on another machine, I've used the "Reply-To" header field to put the correct return address in my mail when using emac's rmail. I haven't found anywhere in Pine to set such a field, and since the local user name is different than my mail address, the "From" field has the wrong address. How can I set a "Reply-To" field in Pine? Thanks, Ev From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 15 21:33:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21529; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:33:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23021; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:24:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23015; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:24:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rp7xZ-00038FC; Wed, 15 Mar 95 21:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 16 Mar 1995 04:56:09 GMT Message-Id: <3k8gd9$qm3@hustle.rahul.net> References: <794884817.AA12345@oce.orst.edu> <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jueld$fqk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jufs9$5sn@hustle.rahul.net> In article Steven D. Majewski writes: [ sarcasm... ] [ name-calling... ] >My machine, and a great many others, don't even have a "News spool >area". I use NNTP ( mostly from Pine and trn ) Accesing News files across a network is common. I don't believe this much affects the current debate. (I personally happen to access files via NFS, so my machine doesn't have any News spool area of its own either.) -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 00:52:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25688; Thu, 16 Mar 95 00:52:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15187; Thu, 16 Mar 95 00:47:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15181; Thu, 16 Mar 95 00:47:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpBAJ-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 00:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shuford@scs.unr.edu (Brian Shuford) Subject: TEST Date: 15 Mar 1995 20:34:28 GMT Message-Id: <3k7j0k$eb0@silver.scs.unr.edu> Test! Thank You. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 02:30:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27951; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:30:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27203; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:24:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27197; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:24:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpCdX-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:46:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <3ju8nj$gtl@yage.tembel.org> <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> In Article <14696@ftp.econ.pitt.edu>, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: >I don't want to add to this already long and boring thread. But, >after all these post about how broken Pine is, I feel the need to tell >the development team that I like what Pine does. Please, do not change >it in a restrictive direction. It is *MY* business how I will treat >news and email, or saved news messages. I hate the idea that a computer >program decides what I do. The program is only a tool. It should give >me as many options as possible and *I* will decide what I will do. >Pine just does that now, and I am happy with that. As I've noted in the past messages in this tread, Pine is "broken" in that it does not bother to designate on its CREATED messages how it is treating them. There would be much less finger pointing at it if it were to mark the messages and articles that it creates as to if they are outgoing Email Messages or Outgoing News Posts (including if the fact that this is a dual Email/News set and if the original copy being replied to was from Email or News). If it did this, then when it processes Incoming Email or News (that was created by another Pine) it would be able to TELL if the message was Email or News. This is not it GUESSING but it seeing a Header that was put there to DOCUMENT how the message/article was created and thus delivered. Doing this would reduce all the screaming that is going on as well as allowing Pine to know how to process the information in the Newsgroup Header (or the superseding Documentation type Header). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 02:33:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28062; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:33:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16477; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:24:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16471; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:24:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpCeE-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Subject: Re: please ignore Dhesi Date: 16 Mar 1995 08:41:28 GMT Message-Id: <3k8tjo$jr1@gate.sinica.edu.tw> References: In article , Mark Crispin wrote: > >Is Dhesi now attempting to shut down the pine-info mailing list's gateway >with comp.mail.pine? It is plain to see that Brian Tao did a normal >mailing list reply. Brian did nothing to deserve this treatment. Ah, I did not know that pine-info was gated to comp.mail.pine. How does this work? Does everything that show up in pine-info get sent to comp.mail.pine, and vice-versa? If so, then I'll unsubscribe since I get the newsgroup anyway. As for Dhesi, I'll answer him in e-mail only. I'm pretty good with net.kooks. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 02:34:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28091; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:34:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27241; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:28:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27235; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:28:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpClX-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: Why does this happen? Date: 14 Mar 1995 08:46:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3k4doi$470@lacerta.unm.edu> Hello: End of article 7001 (of 7129) -- what next? [npq] .-$ s /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7001 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7002 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7003 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7004 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7005 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7006 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine 7007 Appended to file /tmp/fh/rn/pine Consider the above. Collecting articles (using rn) in a file and using a mail-reader (PINE 3.91 in this case). BUTTTT... when I go to this file (i.e. folder or whatever) all articles have been collected into one giant file/item!!!! This happens randomly, but not always.... Does anybody know why does this happen? Bad and/or incompatible headers? Please no flame as why I use rn and not xrn/trn/tin/etc/etc.... Thanks, Farid hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 03:02:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28604; Thu, 16 Mar 95 03:02:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27616; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:58:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27610; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:58:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpDDM-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 16 Mar 1995 09:44:30 GMT Message-Id: <3k919u$gt9@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3k6bv8$t4d@hustle.rahul.net> In taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) writes: >If your posted articles are not injected into the news stream ASAP >after posting, but are spooled to disk for later transmission (e.g., >because you do not have a permanent TCP/IP connection), then I would >say you are reading offline. Ok, now back to the original issue: I would say that offline reading as defined above has no effect on the argument. In fact in the early days of Usenet, almost every user at every site did offline News reading and posting. Only with the coming of dedicated connections and nntp protocol did people even begin to make a distinction between 'offline' and 'online' reading. So long as you have a logical view of some place being the 'News spool' are and some place being an 'email folder', my argument stands. Post News in the News context, and do not post a News followup based on email. A News posting saved in an email folder is now akin to email and should be treated as such. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 03:04:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28673; Thu, 16 Mar 95 03:04:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16850; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:57:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16844; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:57:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpDB3-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 02:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cguy@uspto.gov (Cynthia Guy) Subject: SMTP connection ? Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:18:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3k7405$pdq@pioneer.uspto.gov> We have just installed Pine 3.91 on our network and we are trying to setup the news option. I have our nntp-server correct and since we are using Unix, we should not have to define the smtp-server. We are using sendmail though. When I bring up the folder list, the news-collection is there. When I select one of the news groups, Pine tells me it is trying to open the news group and then I receive [421 SMTP connection went away]. What does this mean? Is there a error manual or something for Pine? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Cynthia Guy, Network Analyst Garcia Consulting, Inc. PTO: (703) 308-6873 PTO FAX: (703)308-6879 GCI: (703) 418-0805 On site at uspto.gov standard disclaimers apply From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 05:54:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03281; Thu, 16 Mar 95 05:54:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19282; Thu, 16 Mar 95 05:43:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19275; Thu, 16 Mar 95 05:43:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpFpO-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 05:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lbranch@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Subject: How to Read a Digest Date: 16 Mar 1995 02:18:26 GMT Message-Id: <3k875i$5fr@news.sas.ab.ca> I subscribed to a digest mode of a mailing list. When I get the digest it says that it contains quite a large file, but I can't find it. If I use "v" it says that there are no attachments to view, only the body. I have contacted the list and asked them to respond to me privately (because obviously I can't read the list) and I can't get a response. Any ideas would be appreciated since I am really new at this. Spring has sprung The grass has riz I wonder where my e-mail is.... --G From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 06:35:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04184; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:35:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00700; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:28:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00694; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:28:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpGOB-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill White Subject: Carbon copies Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 23:03:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. I have a question concerning pine391. How does one send multiple carbon copies? Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 06:40:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04398; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:40:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19911; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:33:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19905; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:33:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpGaC-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 06:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Iturriaga@utk.edu (21st century digital boy) Subject: Re: Macintosh version? (Or any IMAP Mac client) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 01:52:36 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3k72e4$jlf@harvey.cs.umd.edu> Talking about that: Is there any mail reader that supports all MIME types on the Mac? Does the full commercial version of Eudora support all of MIME? Another question, while pine for the Mac would be nice, how would it work without a POP account? Enlighten me :-) Markus -- Markus Iturriaga Woelfel It's the suede denim secret police Iturriaga@utk.edu They have come for your uncool niece! http://utkvx1.utk.edu/~iturriag/ --- Dead Kennedys From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 07:11:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05263; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:11:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20390; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:04:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [149.28.112.5] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20384; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:04:11 -0800 Received: from seq1.aps.org by aps.org (5.65/1.35) id AA20303; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:04:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Bellacera To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3 meg file hangs in pine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, On 13 Jan 1995, Charles Lawrence wrote: > When reading a large 2.5meg+ file into a pine message I hang and have > to kill pine. I am able to read in the same file fine in mail. Is there > a system wide pine option I need to set? I have a similar problem in that when a message of that magnitude is in the INBOX pine hangs while building the index. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am new to this list and hope this is not a FAQ. I did look around in the Pine home page, the FAQ page and the pine-info archive and didn't see anything. Thanks, Pete Bellacera The American Physical Society From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 07:44:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06105; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:44:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20836; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:31:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20830; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:31:10 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA29554 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:31:07 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA22815; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:29:41 EST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3 meg file hangs in pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Pete Bellacera wrote: > On 13 Jan 1995, Charles Lawrence wrote> > > When reading a large 2.5meg+ file into a pine message I hang and have > > to kill pine. I am able to read in the same file fine in mail. Is there > > a system wide pine option I need to set? > > I have a similar problem in that when a message of that magnitude is > in the INBOX pine hangs while building the index. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > It is my understanding that e-mail of that size is frowned upon; although I have successfully sent 2MB+ files before being politely warned. What you can do is to split (UNIX split command) the file into bite-sized pieces (200K or so) and email each in a separate message. I just ran split filename.ext Results in xaa 285k xab 160k Since the orignal file was about 445k. You can specify the output file names and max size, but I didn't look that up. Check the man page for more info. The recipient will have to save each file and recombine using cat: cat x?? > filename.ext Be sure to minimize your problem by first zipping, gzipping, compressing, or otherwise making the file as small as possible. There are probably easier ways, but this will solve your problem for now. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 08:14:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07386; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:14:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21301; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:57:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from vnet.ibm.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21295; Thu, 16 Mar 95 07:57:50 -0800 Message-Id: <9503161557.AA21295@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: from RALVM6 by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0723; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:57:33 EST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:51:53 EST From: "David A. Sinicrope (919)254-1207 T/L:444" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: INBOX Refresh I'd like to keep Pine up and running in a window while at my workstation. I notice that there is a lag between the time I get new mail and the time Pine refreshes the inbox. How to I increase the refresh rate? Is this an option? If so, where do I set it from? I've looked in the help and on the web but can't find anything that addresses refresh of the INBOX. Thanks in advance for any help, David From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 08:32:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08048; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:32:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02870; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:24:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02858; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:24:45 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpIJW-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FirstName.LastName@u.cc.utah.edu (FirstName LastName) Subject: cmsg cancel <199503160142.SAA23061@u.cc.utah.edu> Control: cancel <199503160142.SAA23061@u.cc.utah.edu> Date: 16 Mar 1995 03:50:06 GMT Message-Id: Spam Cancellation From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 08:35:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08162; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:35:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22062; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:28:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22056; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:28:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpILF-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cs_wcyaa@uxmail.ust.hk (Wong Chung Yin) Subject: how to read mime mail in pine Message-Id: <1995Mar16.020736.8731@uxmail.ust.hk> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:07:36 GMT Hello everybody As i know, pine can help me to read the mime format mail, but how to configute to read the mime format , pls tell me. Thank you. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 08:47:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08670; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:47:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22231; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:36:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22225; Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:36:26 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:32:45 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id QAA20414; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:35:18 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:35:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: "David A. Sinicrope (919)254-1207 T/L:444" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: INBOX Refresh In-Reply-To: <9503161557.AA21295@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is not user configurable. It is defined as a "#define'd" constant in source code. To change it you will need to modify the source and recompile. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, David A. Sinicrope (919)254-1207 T/L:444 wrote: > I'd like to keep Pine up and running in a window while at my > workstation. I notice that there is a lag between the time I get > new mail and the time Pine refreshes the inbox. How to I > increase the refresh rate? Is this an option? If so, where > do I set it from? I've looked in the help and on the web but > can't find anything that addresses refresh of the INBOX. > > Thanks in advance for any help, > David > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 09:36:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11538; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:36:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23678; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:30:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [149.28.112.5] by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23672; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:30:07 -0800 Received: from seq1.aps.org by aps.org (5.65/1.35) id AA24985; Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:29:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Bellacera To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 3 meg file hangs in pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Don Sugarman wrote: > It is my understanding that e-mail of that size is frowned upon; although > I have successfully sent 2MB+ files before being politely warned. > > What you can do is to split (UNIX split command) the file That's a good point. However, my problem is with *receiving* such files and the resulting hangup in displaying the index. My organization routinely gets large, unsolicited mail messages as part of our journal publishing operation. It wouldn't be practical to ask the senders to split their files. The standard Unix mail programs (e.g. ucb/mail or its System V workalike mailx) seem to work but we would much rather use pine. Is there anything that can be done to improve pine's handling of large incoming messages? Thanks, Pete. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 09:40:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11676; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:40:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04425; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04417; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:18:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpJBP-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PCPine with customized-hdrs = From: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:03:07 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The PC-Pine source is included in the main source distribution, ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 14 Mar 1995 martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de wrote: > Date: 14 Mar 1995 00:05:46 -0800 > From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PCPine with customized-hdrs = From: > > helo all, > > is there a binary version of PCPINE where I am allowed to change my > From: address? > Or can I get the source code from somewhere? > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Martin Spohn | > Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 > Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de > Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 > Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2c5/d/IU4uTDdHNAQHENwH/WBjLaNAI7/7+qcc5DYBv3nrfUTp7dkSK BZhZn9ePdEpQHdna5JsxBdG8P2TCTGmTOEFUoZzTHUF7kzkwJPT6Rw== =2Hza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 10:11:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13575; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:11:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24340; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:58:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24334; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:58:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpJlX-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PINE 3.05 -> PINE 3.91 (where did the folders go?) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:11:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3k4cvu$ilk@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1308520356-795294703=:10877" In-Reply-To: <3k4cvu$ilk@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1308520356-795294703=:10877 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This might be due to a bug in Pine 3.91. Apply the attached patch and rebuild Pine to see if that is the problem... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 14 Mar 1995, Lowell Tacconi-Garman wrote: > Date: 14 Mar 1995 15:33:18 GMT > From: Lowell Tacconi-Garman > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: PINE 3.05 -> PINE 3.91 (where did the folders go?) > > Until a few days ago I confess that I was running PINE 3.05. Now I am > running PINE 3.91. The problem is that the new version doesn't see all of > my old mail folders. That they are still there can be demonstrated by > running the old version. How do I make the new PINE recognize the old > folders? > > --0-1308520356-795294703=:10877 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="init.c.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: pine/init.c patch KioqIHBpbmUzLjkxL3NyYy9waW5lL2luaXQuYwlNb24gT2N0IDEwIDE0OjM0 OjI5IDE5OTQNCi0tLSBwaW5lMy45Mi9zcmMvcGluZS9pbml0LmMJV2VkIE9j dCAxMiAxMjozNTo0MSAxOTk0DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyMDg5 LDIxMDAgKioqKg0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQogICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0g VmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxlYXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZv ciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAgIGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2Vy KXsNCiEgICAgICAgICAgICAgaWYod2hpY2hfdmFycyA9PSBQYXJzZUxvY2Fs KXsgICAgICAgICAgIA0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3Zh ciA9IDA7DQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBwbGluZS0+bGluZSA9IGNweXN0 cihsaW5lKTsNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHBsaW5lKys7DQotICAgICAg ICAgICAgIH0NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgY29udGludWU7DQogICAgICAgICAg fQ0KICANCi0tLSAyMDg5LDIwOTggLS0tLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIH0NCiAgDQog ICAgICAgICAgLyotLS0gVmFyIGlzIG5vdCB1c2VyIGNvbnRyb2xsZWQsIGxl YXZlIGl0IGFsb25lIGZvciBiYWNrIGNvbXBhdCAtLS0qLw0KISAgICAgICAg IGlmKCF2LT5pc191c2VyICYmIHdoaWNoX3ZhcnMgPT0gUGFyc2VMb2NhbCl7 DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmlzX3ZhciA9IDA7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUtPmxp bmUgPSBjcHlzdHIobGluZSk7DQogIAkgICAgcGxpbmUrKzsNCiAgCSAgICBj b250aW51ZTsNCiAgICAgICAgICB9DQogIA0K --0-1308520356-795294703=:10877-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 11:22:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16813; Thu, 16 Mar 95 11:22:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07523; Thu, 16 Mar 95 11:12:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07517; Thu, 16 Mar 95 11:12:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpKrn-00038KC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 11:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dr. David J. Rowbotham" Subject: A simple question from a beginner Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:36:32 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 12:37:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21716; Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:37:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10428; Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:30:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [168.166.0.67] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10422; Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:30:04 -0800 Received: by services (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02219; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:27:35 +0600 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:27:34 -0600 (CST) From: James Proffer To: "Dr. David J. Rowbotham" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: A simple question from a beginner In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 580 Hello David The "A" signifies that you have replied to this message. On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Dr. David J. Rowbotham wrote: > In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance > of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title > Missouri State Data Center <*>James Proffer: UNIX sysadm The Source for Missouri State | Phone: (314) 751-1544 Fax: (314) 751-3299 Government Information | Internet: jproffer@services.state.mo.us Gopher: TBA | jproffer@mail.more.net WWW: http://www.ecodev.state.mo.us/mohome.htm From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 13:33:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24537; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:33:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00489; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:25:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00483; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:25:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpN1S-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: black@cope.claremont.edu (kersey black) Subject: nntp derived NEWS -> "empty list" Date: 16 Mar 1995 20:21:09 GMT Message-Id: <3ka6jl$14k@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> I am just now trying to turn on the news capability of Pine, and have done so by just providing the nntp address. On one machine, where pine has been running fine, this worked. On another machine, where pine has been running fine, this did not. I get the message: [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] when trying to list the news groups. both machines are using the same server, both are running 3.91. The debug file reads: ---- FOLDER SCREEN ---- IMAP 12:7 3/16 mm_log babble: news.claremont.edu InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1. 4 20-Mar-93 ready (posting ok). ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 13:54:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25735; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:54:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12330; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:45:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from eclat.uccs.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12324; Thu, 16 Mar 95 13:45:04 -0800 Received: (from fhammitt@localhost) by eclat.uccs.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA05918; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:45:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:44:58 -0700 (MST) From: "Frank D. Hammitt, UCCS Safety & Risk Management" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 14:43:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27984; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:43:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13442; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:34:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13436; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:34:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpO3Y-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: meinhard@chorus2.cern.ch (Helge Meinhard) Subject: Environment variables in .pinerc 3.91 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:30:19 GMT We've recently moved from pine 3.89 to pine 3.91. Some 50 people are using their old .pinerc files, in which there is a line like printer=a2ps -p -F10 -ns -f -Hmail | lpr -P"$PRINTER" -l -Jmail This was working fine with 3.89 running under AIX 3.2.5 on RS/6000 machines. With 3.91, however, the double quotes surrounding environment variables are interpreted differently, as is shown by the response on the prYnt command: Print message 1 using command "a2ps -p -F10 -ns -f -H"mail" | lpr -P" -l -Jmail -? Is this a bug or a feature? Helge Meinhard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 14:52:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28446; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:52:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02336; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:44:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02330; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:44:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpOGH-00038FC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eholst@rain.org () Subject: Re: A simple question from a beginner Date: 16 Mar 1995 19:29:43 GMT Message-Id: <3ka3j8$ibo@news.rain.org> References: Dr. David J. Rowbotham (djr8@le.ac.uk) wrote: : In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance : of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title It means that you have answered (replied to) this message. -- /----------Eric R. Holst-----------------Microcomputer Specialist-----\ | Ventura County Library Services Agency | | eholst@rain.org C$erve 76527,162 | \------------I brew the beer I drink. Relax, have a hombrew.----------/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 15:32:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00673; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:32:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14641; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:25:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14635; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:25:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpOqw-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pat@sbctri.sbc.com (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: 15 Mar 95 20:28:11 GMT Message-Id: Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the keys for that area are mapped. Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? (or any other fix to my problem) Thanks, Pat From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 15:50:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02278; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:50:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03839; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:44:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03829; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:44:44 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA01006; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:43:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 00:43:05 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Reply-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Priority: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Praha: Transport-Options: /delivery /return Expires: X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 15 Mar 1995, Pat Niemeyer wrote: > Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through > a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using > pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) >=20 > Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? > (or any other fix to my problem) MAYBE the pine version using function keys would be useful (I read it=20 does exist---consult the pine manual). I think there will surely be a=20 function key equivalent of ^X in it. Wish you'll be successful. Vladimir | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 16:35:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04904; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:35:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05098; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:30:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05092; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:30:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpPtT-00038bC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:14:40 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 15 Mar 1995, Pat Niemeyer wrote: > Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through > a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using > pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) > > I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the > keys for that area are mapped. > > Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? > (or any other fix to my problem) > > > Thanks, > Pat Hi, I used to have the same problem. it all depends on your connection to the machine running pine (in my opinion). for example, I was dialing into a Xyplex terminal server then telnet'ing to my Unix box. I had to give the following commands at the Xyplex end before I telnet'ed over to the Unix workstation: Xyplex> set port ansi Xyplex> set telnet type signal request disabled or something like that. apparently the Ctrl-X and some others were being stripped out by the Xyplex until I issued those "set" commands. use the "help" feature on the Xyplex to get more info on that second set command since I'm not exactly sure how it goes. -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 16:57:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05732; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:57:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16733; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:49:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16727; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:49:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpQB2-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Administration Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:00:45 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There is a disable-config-cmd feature-list entry that will turn off the config screen. If you put it in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf, it can be over-ridden by a .pinerc entry of no-disable-config-cmd. If you put it in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed, no-one will get the config screen... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 15 Mar 1995, Mark Hopkins wrote: > Date: 15 Mar 1995 10:58:27 -0800 > From: Mark Hopkins > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Administration > > We have an IBM RS/6000 320H using AIX. We installed pine yesterday. We > love it and want to make it avaiable to all our users. However, we do not > want them to have access to the setup/config option from the main menu. > We are looking for a way to keep our regualr users out of this option, > but yet leave it open for us system administrators. I might add that we > are rather new to AIX, at the upper Novice level. Any help that we could > get to solve this challenge would be appreciated. > > Mark D. Hopkins > Advanced Manufacturing & Development > Willits, CA > mdh@amdev.com > (707) 459-9451 x146 > (707) 459-2046 - fax > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2huw9/IU4uTDdHNAQG4XwH/RJgiGl8gSW6okLiuG1i/Z6J2kOjnAtKj dwGgaRdKKs1qxa0FF3UoaAwZq6CV0t1zhEfpeN2kNERh/9yF2zB8Nw== =gBsh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 16:57:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05772; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:57:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05537; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:49:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05523; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:49:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpQCw-00038FC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 16:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg) Subject: Re: check for new mail in mult. folders Date: 16 Mar 1995 16:39:31 GMT Message-Id: <3k9pk3$dlf@news.rwth-aachen.de> References: <3k4mdt$ljt@news.rain.org> In article <3k4mdt$ljt@news.rain.org>, wrote: >I have been using procmail to filter my incoming mail into >different inbox folders in pine. Everything works fine, >except, I can't tell if I have new mail in these folders. You have to trick elm utilities into considering new mail to be new in folders other than the default system spool mailbox. You can do this by adding a fake "Status:" field to every incoming mail before filing it. -- Sincerely, berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). You are confused; but this is your normal state. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 19:40:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11637; Thu, 16 Mar 95 19:40:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19749; Thu, 16 Mar 95 19:34:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19743; Thu, 16 Mar 95 19:34:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpSlo-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 19:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles Date: 16 Mar 1995 02:52:30 GMT Message-Id: <3k895e$g95@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3k5me8$8eg@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In sdm7g@virginia.edu ("Steven D. Majewski") writes: >I have *yet* to see >a beginner who knew what "followup" is supposed to mean.... >they skip right past that entry >until they see something that sounds suggestive (in plain English) of >what they want: "reply". This is absolutely wonderful, no sarcasm intended. Let them send private replies until they are no longer beginners. Let us not make it too easy for people to post something that will be propagated around the world. No person who has not yet read enough of the manuals, or read enough of the postings in news.announce.newusers and news.answers, or otherwise acquired a knowledge of Usenet, to understand followups, should be posting to Usenet. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 20:23:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12617; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:23:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09158; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:19:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09152; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:19:03 -0800 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (root@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:19:02 -0500 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (simmonmt@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by lab19.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:19:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Simmons To: Pine Mailing List Subject: Pine Bug Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When 'T'aking a name from the inbox, and attempting to add it to a distribution list (I tried with an empty list and a non-empty list), Pine gives an "Error updating addressbook: Pine Bug" message. It asked me if I wanted to replace the list with the address taken from the inbox. Ideally, IMHO, Pine should either automatically add the name to the list, or present an option to do so. The error occurred after I indicated that Pine was to replace the list with the new name, and I accepted the default values for the ensuing prompts. The message appeared at the point where Pine usually adds the name to the addressbook and writes it out to disk. Sorry if this bug has been reported before -- I've been less than religious in reading the mailing list. Matt Simmons -- Purdue University -- West Hell, Indiana Purdue Ski Team - Purdue Ski Club - Lambda Chi Alpha simmonmt@cs.purdue.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 20:23:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12638; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:23:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20348; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:11:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20342; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:11:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpTHe-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Automatic Placement of Mail in Folders Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:41:33 GMT Hello, everyone. Somewhere in pine's documentation, I read that one could customize pine's behavior so that it could automatically place email in a particular folder based on that letter's address. Can someone please direct me to the section of the docs that discusses that feature? Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 20:44:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13393; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:44:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09396; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:35:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09390; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:34:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpTjc-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Carbon copies Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:36:09 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Just put multiple addresses on the Cc: line, separated by commas... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Bill White wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 23:03:40 -0800 > From: Bill White > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Carbon copies > > Hello. I have a question concerning pine391. How does one send > multiple carbon copies? > > Thanks in advance. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:16:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14293; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:16:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21372; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21366; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUIH-00038HC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Yes, pine-info is gatewayed with comp.mail.pine Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:23:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3k8tjo$jr1@gate.sinica.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3k8tjo$jr1@gate.sinica.edu.tw> On 16 Mar 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > Date: 16 Mar 1995 08:41:28 GMT > From: Brian Tao > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: please ignore Dhesi > > Ah, I did not know that pine-info was gated to comp.mail.pine. > How does this work? Does everything that show up in pine-info get > sent to comp.mail.pine, and vice-versa? If so, then I'll unsubscribe > since I get the newsgroup anyway. As for Dhesi, I'll answer him in > e-mail only. I'm pretty good with net.kooks. :) Yes, there is a gateway between the pine-info@cac.washington.edu mailing list and the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. It is operated at psg.com and managed by Randy Bush . Specific questions about the gateway should be directed to Randy... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:16:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14328; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:16:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10020; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10014; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUHn-00038FC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: how to read mime mail in pine Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:10:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1995Mar16.020736.8731@uxmail.ust.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Mar16.020736.8731@uxmail.ust.hk> Pine handles MIME pretty much transparently. You don't need to configure anything unless you want to set up viewers for special MIME types, etc. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Wong Chung Yin wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:07:36 GMT > From: Wong Chung Yin > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: how to read mime mail in pine > > Hello everybody > As i know, pine can help me to read the mime format mail, but how to configute to read the mime format , pls tell me. > Thank you. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:17:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14357; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:17:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21364; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21358; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:11:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUHk-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: "Reply-To" Address Field? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:08:48 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3k8360$8p0@usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3k8360$8p0@usc.edu> In Pine 3.91, go to the Setup/config screen, find "customized-hdrs" and Add "Reply-To: Everitt Beers ". |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 16 Mar 1995, Everitt Beers wrote: > Date: 16 Mar 1995 01:10:24 GMT > From: Everitt Beers > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: "Reply-To" Address Field? > > I'm trying to use pine on my home PC running Linux to handle my mail. > However, I can't find anywhere how to set the "Reply-To" field in address > headers. > > Since my mail-address account is on another machine, I've used the > "Reply-To" header field to put the correct return address in my mail when > using emac's rmail. I haven't found anywhere in Pine to set such a field, > and since the local user name is different than my mail address, the "From" > field has the wrong address. > > How can I set a "Reply-To" field in Pine? > > Thanks, > Ev > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:19:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14392; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:19:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10073; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:15:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10067; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:15:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUKt-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: barry@telerama.lm.com Subject: Remote IMAP, Passwords Date: 16 Mar 1995 21:24:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3kart9$rgv@tusk.lm.com> I'd like to use pine on a computer system at work to access mail received at my personal account at a local ISP. I use Eudora from my Mac at home to retrieve mail from the IMAP server at the ISP, so I'm sure the ISP end is OK. I think I have .pinerc configured to access that IMAP server at my ISP. I think my problem is that I'm unable to set the password I need to access the remote IMAP server. When I try to use the pine new password command, pine asks me for the old password. I haven't the foggiest idea what the password value is! The only password that matters at Transarc is the Kerberos password, but I doubt that this is what is being checked by pine. I haven't used the UNIX 'passwd' command in years. In any case, I don't want to use the same password at work and at the ISP. So, where does pine look for the password? How do I set it if I can't provide the old value? The /etc/passwd entry on the system where I ran pine has "!", which probably means look somewhere else. Thanks, Barry Wolman barry@telerama.lm.com barry@transarc.com -- Barry Wolman Pittsburgh, PA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:43:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15202; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:43:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21600; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:26:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21594; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:26:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUSN-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Brian K. Curley (Master of Time & Space)" Subject: Pine w/password Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:52:18 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know how I would check mail via pine on a server that required a password at logon? Brian Curley bkc@axle.adp.wisc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:49:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15313; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:49:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10523; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:41:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10517; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:41:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUlD-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jiepan@cs.utexas.edu (Jie Pan) Subject: Does any version of PINE/PICO support ispell instead of spell? Date: 16 Mar 1995 18:54:29 -0600 Message-Id: <3kamk5$256@oracle.cs.utexas.edu> Hi friends, As you know, "spell" is a proprietary software of AT&T and one can not get it freely. So far I find pine or pico only recognize spell. Ispell is free and much better than spell, if you know how to make pine/pico work under ispell please help. Thanks. JP From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 21:58:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15499; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:58:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21946; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:50:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21940; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:50:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpUtL-00038DC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: International character sets Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:30:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> <17360A49CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > there is no such MIME charset defined as UK-ASCII. > This has nothing to do with MIME charsets or PINE configuration > parameter values - neither MIME nor PINE had been invented at the > time this misbegotten 7bit code was defined. Barry misunderstood you. You weren't going to send out UK-ASCII. But you could send out ISO-646-GB which is the MIME label (RFC 1700) for that old British standard 4730. My users would be able to read that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 16 22:07:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15978; Thu, 16 Mar 95 22:07:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10726; Thu, 16 Mar 95 22:00:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10720; Thu, 16 Mar 95 22:00:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpV42-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 21:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:57:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: As an alternative, you can use "ESC ESC x" as an alternative to ^X... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 15 Mar 1995, Pat Niemeyer wrote: > Date: 15 Mar 95 20:28:11 GMT > From: Pat Niemeyer > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? > > > Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through > a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using > pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) > > I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the > keys for that area are mapped. > > Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? > (or any other fix to my problem) > > > Thanks, > Pat > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 00:11:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18807; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:11:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23695; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:00:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23689; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:00:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpWsW-00038CC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 23:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dyc@dalek.eng.stratus.com (Danny Young Chang) Subject: conversion tool from elm aliases to pine addressbook? Date: 16 Mar 1995 19:34:12 GMT Message-Id: <3ka3rk$nhk@transfer.stratus.com> Does pine has a tool that can convert the existing ELM style of aliases (eg: ~/.elm/aliases.txt) to pine's addressbook? I have many elm users who has many predefined aliases in the elm style and would like to know if pine has a tool that can convert from the elm style of aliases to pine style. Does anyone has a such tool? Please respond to dyc@eng.stratus.com. Thanks, Danny Y. Chang -- Great things happen when I am not around. Does it happen to you, too? Email: dyc@dalek.eng.stratus.com Phone:(508)460-2495 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 00:38:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19515; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:38:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12627; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:26:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12621; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:26:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpXKR-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: pdyjmh@unicorn.nottingham.uk.ac (Mazda ) Subject: Re: Signature file in Pine Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:27:02 Message-Id: References: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article nimbus@halcyon.com (Jorj Laing) writes: >I know this is proably a frequently asked question but i could not find >the FAQ for this Newsgroup but anyways. How do you create and edit a >.signature file and what do you need to do to make it work.... Just >wondering please e-mail me at my personally site along with this >newsgroup... Thanks in advance...*:o) Firstly create a file in your home directory ( ~/ ) on my unix account called .signature. Then write whatever signature you want in it.... then save the file. Secondly edit .pinerc and make sure that the part where it says: # signature-file specifies the name or path of a file containing text that # will automatically be inserted in outgoing mail. signature-file=.signature looks like this The save .pinerc. This should work on unix. I don't know about PC pine. Mazda -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL2Xt3iCEheaAoGMtAQHgSwQA5mbkOBRmtqE73SK+69SSdC8HR/1qmbhp Rdjfj/c+C/J04fUVpXTKAxcNesozkoyG9howZ/srp3edRwuYQAlsUQ/uV27aXOGN hsE/C0jdxbtgFqv2IT4S6QLH0gDAQxRbUazRnTFdyvhWa2DGOcuJRo6INCHT+CbK vaxDif4RxHw= =5pcX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 01:11:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20585; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:11:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24553; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:00:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24547; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:00:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpXs8-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 00:59 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: swald@cde2s.ssc.wisc.edu (Sandra Wald) Subject: Unix and pine, setting-up news Date: 16 Mar 1995 20:02:06 GMT Message-Id: <3ka5fv$c22@news.doit.wisc.edu> Keywords: I set my nntp to news.doit.wisc.edu but it is not bringing in my subscribed news groups. Any ideas? I set my config/setup menu on Unix to nntp etc. thanks in advance, Sandra -- Sandra J. Wald swald@ssc.wisc.edu (608) 265-4922 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 01:32:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21241; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:32:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24958; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:21:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24952; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:21:44 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:18:40 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA02816; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:21:13 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:21:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: "Dr. David J. Rowbotham" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: A simple question from a beginner In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "A" means "answered" ... you have sent a reply to that message back to the author. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Dr. David J. Rowbotham wrote: > In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance > of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 02:02:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21845; Fri, 17 Mar 95 02:02:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13915; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:50:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13909; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:50:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpYbl-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 01:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jpoet@Chopper.rt66.com (John Patrick Poet) Subject: Anyone get PINE to work with DG210 terminals? Date: 17 Mar 1995 05:28:30 GMT Message-Id: <3kb6lu$iig@mack.rt66.com> We have a lot of people using Data General DG210 terminals. While these terminals are not the best, they do have a fairly complete command set. I have several curses based programs which run just fine on these dinosours. PINE, however, makes a mess of the screen. These are being driven by a Solaris 2.4 machine, so I am using terminfo. Anyone have a patch for PINE which will clean up the mess? Thanks, John -- | | +--+ == | John Patrick Poet | | | jpoet@rt66.com | +---+ | | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 07:03:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29384; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:03:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29299; Fri, 17 Mar 95 06:46:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29293; Fri, 17 Mar 95 06:45:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpdF9-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 06:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: I want to use procmail w/ PINE; can someone help? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone told me I can use procmail to filter mail into PINE, but I'm too dumb to figure it out on my own. My problem is simple. I'm on a mailing list (call it MAILLIST) and I want to get all mail that has MAILLIST in the To: or CC: line to get deposited in a folder called MAIL. How to? Any instructions (or example files) highly appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like my Grandfather, and not screaming, like the passengers in his car." __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 07:29:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00167; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:29:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18556; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:16:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.uscourts.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18550; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:16:16 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rpdlI-0002DvC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:16 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rpdiA-00009PC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:13 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0rpdku-000CaoC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:16 EST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: John Patrick Poet Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Anyone get PINE to work with DG210 terminals? In-Reply-To: <3kb6lu$iig@mack.rt66.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 17 Mar 1995, John Patrick Poet wrote: > We have a lot of people using Data General DG210 terminals. While > these terminals are not the best, they do have a fairly complete > command set. I have several curses based programs which run just fine > on these dinosours. PINE, however, makes a mess of the screen. > > These are being driven by a Solaris 2.4 machine, so I am using > terminfo. Anyone have a patch for PINE which will clean up the mess? > Patrick, I could send you the terminfo source files for the d210 and d210-dg if you think that might help. Lynn +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Lynn Hilton | Internet: jlh@ao.uscourts.gov | | Concept Automation Services, Inc. | or: lhilton@concept.com | | AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 | | Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 08:29:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02150; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:29:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00963; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:17:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00957; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:17:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpedY-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdfalk@cais.cais.com (J.D. Falk) Subject: Re: default cc: in header Date: 16 Mar 1995 03:05:04 GMT Message-Id: <3k89t0$374@news.cais.com> References: In comp.mail.pine, Pete Gifford wrote... > We would like to know how to automatically include an address in the cc: field > for all composed messages and have not been able to find anything in the > online help. If you use PINE 3.91, you can add "Cc: whoever" to your Customized-hdrs: and it should do what you're looking for. -- -------------========== J.D. Falk =========------------- | "We all agree that your theory is mad. | | The problem which divides us is this: | | is it sufficiently crazy to be right?" -Dr. Neils Bohr | --------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========-------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 09:16:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04991; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:16:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01989; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:59:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from srvr5.engin.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01983; Fri, 17 Mar 95 08:59:09 -0800 Received: from cap1.capaccess.org (bbouwsma@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA19578; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:58:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:59:27 -0500 (EST) From: Pivo A Zmrzlina Reply-To: Barry.Bouwsma@tuke.sk Subject: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients To: zmailer@cs.toronto.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII [This is being sent to the pine-info mailing list, as well as the zmailer discussion list. The former is gatewayed to comp.mail.pine, the latter is mail-only. If readers of either list by mail follow-up, both lists should be included; however, those who read comp.mail.pine and choose to follow-up will fail to have their comments seen by the zmailer group unless a copy is sent to as well. Just a warning. Here are the details of my setup: Zmailer is running as MTA on the machine ccsun.tuke.sk. I have a mailbox there, and prefer to receive my mail there. I access this mailbox with a client connected to the IMAP server running on ccsun.tuke.sk. My client, Pine, is on a different machine in a completely different domain. Mail sent from Pine on ccsun receives a fully-qualified domain name automagically, so it is handed to zmailer as , for example. Zmailer rewrites the fully-qualified sender's name, if delivery is done locally, with only the login. In other words, the mail in the spool looks just like this, in part: From: Kamil Kukura To: Kevin Mitnick Message-ID: What happens is that I read this mail spool via IMAP and reply from the host more local to me. Here I quote from a message I sent out... > My IMAP client gave this... To: Kamil Kukura > > That's because the mail arrived in my mailbox with ... I guess > zmailer doesn't fully qualify names, and removes the domain from those > delivered to the localhost. I guess that's okay if you only read mail > locally, but when you access it via IMAP or POP, that seems to be a > pretty bad idea. Is it possible for zmailer to keep fully qualified > e-mail addresses when delivering locally, [...] As Pine users know, Pine will append the domain name to any logins to create a complete e-mail address. But here it fails spectacularly, as the login on the mail which has the appearance of being local, really appeared on a different machine, with different domain name. Given that zmailer is delivering mail in this rather distributed environment, my feeling is that what it should be doing (and what any MTA should be doing), given the increased use of remote protocols such as IMAP to read mail, is not reducing e-mail addresses to the bare minimum, with the resulting ambiguity, but rather, the MTA should instead always be completing incomplete e-mail addresses. Comments? It is noted in the Pine tech notes that using e-mail addresses that are not complete is a source of all sorts of problems, like this one. Is it possible to configure zmailer to leave e-mail addresses alone if they arrive in full from the local machine? Should this be the default configuration? Another possibility would be for the IMAP server to complete addresses such as this if found in a header when serving the mail to the remote client. How desirable is this? (The presence of an incomplete address saved from a client on one machine to a folder on a different server is one case where this would fail.) I'm posting this to both groups to get comments from all who use either program, even though I think that there are other mailers and MTAs which use only a login for address, and fail to append a full hostname to it, and the MTA also fails to append a hostname. The configuration of v8 sendmail here leaves in the To: field, when sent without attached hostname, so this sort of problem extends beyond zmailer, perhaps needing attention from the IMAP server as well... Maybe the default sendmail configuration should be to always add the hostname to those addresses lacking one, as well... Comments and discussions about the best solution, or combination of solutions, to this problem, are encouraged... hacker Barry Bouwsma, MIME: ASCII: --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 09:17:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05040; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:17:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02108; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from server.bridgeway.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02102; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:02:38 -0800 Received: by server.bridgeway.com id <207555>; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:04:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:04:35 -0800 From: Andrew Le To: "J.D. Falk" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: default cc: in header In-Reply-To: <3k89t0$374@news.cais.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Help.... I'd like to do "mass mailings," but using BCC field will display the reciepients of all BCC entries... is there a "correct" way to do mass mailings so that a BCC person cannot see that mail is sent to another BCC person? Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 09:54:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07454; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03324; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:42:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03318; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:42:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpfxd-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Donna Vanderzalm Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:16:34 GMT Message-Id: <3kccl2$n8h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: pmb1@tmphost.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell) wrote: > Anyway, the easiest way to unsubscribe from *everything* is to delete the > file called ".newsrc" in your login directory (I'm assuming you're using > a UNIX system). Yes, I am using a UNIX system, but is it OK to outright DELETE the file? Is the file not required to have access to newsgroups? Is the file then re-created? I know, lots of questions...i'm a curious George. Here's one more question, how do I ensure that I have access to NEW newsgroups each day (or however often...)? Are they added to my .newsrc file? If so, how? Any answers to these questions would be much appreciated as I'm trying to learn everything I can during my short stay on earth. Thanx Donna From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 10:12:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08321; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:12:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22414; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:53:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tuna.wang.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22408; Fri, 17 Mar 95 09:53:38 -0800 Received: from elf.wang.com by tuna.wang.com with SMTP id AA04558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:53:36 -0500 Received: from fubar.wang.com by elf.wang.com with SMTP id AA02763 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:44:16 -0500 Received: by fubar.wang.com (5.67b/TF8) id AA08203; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:51:30 -0500 From: Forrest Aldrich Message-Id: <199503171751.AA08203@fubar.wang.com> Subject: GUI versions of PINE To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:51:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 367 I'm interested in getting a GUI version of PINE for MS- and X-Windows. I wondered if anyone out there has worked on the beginnings of this or has any design plans and such to go by. Also: I've been having some problems getting PINE to compile for AIX-3.2.5, and wondered if anyone has an updated makefile.* for this OS. Thank you... (please respond via email) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 10:29:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09242; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:29:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23024; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:12:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ncnoc.ncren.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23018; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:12:15 -0800 Received: from dec13.ncat.edu by ncnoc.ncren.net (5.65/tas-ncren/may94) id AA07980; Fri, 17 Mar 95 13:11:48 -0500 Received: by dec13.ncat.edu (5.65/TAS/11-16-88) id AA00952; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:11:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:11:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Terry J. Alloway" Subject: Can't find the problem.... (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: Terry J. Alloway To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: Can't find the problem.... I been getting this error message since making additions to my list "skegee-net: **************** Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:16:50 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: alloway@ncat.edu Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 LeRay Dandy ,Linda Wallce ,Linda Wiley ,"Mrs. Lisa(smith) Wilson" ,Marlene Morgan ,Michael Gardner ,Micheal Obasa ,Michelle Ervin ,Michelle Hurley ,"Walter L. Stephens Jr." ,Nick Summerville ,Phil Carswell ,Carswell Phillip ,Rhea Bentley ,Rita Figaro ,Robert Kemp ,Rodney Johnson ,ron james johnson ,Sam Robinson ,Samuel White ,Sharon A Phillips ,Rashunda Monique Henderson ,Charlie Leak ... Unbalanced '<' 554 LeRay Dandy ,Linda Wallce ,Linda Wiley ,"Mrs. Lisa(smith) Wilson" ,Marlene Morgan ,Michael Gardner ,Micheal Obasa ,Michelle Ervin ,Michelle Hurley ,"Walter L. Stephens Jr." ,Nick Summerville ,Phil Carswell ,Carswell Phillip ,Rhea Bentley ,Rita Figaro ,Robert Kemp ,Rodney Johnson ,ron james johnson ,Sam Robinson ,Samuel White ,Sharon A Phillips ,Rashunda Monique Henderson ,Charlie Leak ... Unbalanced '<' While talking to ncnoc.ncren.net: >>> DATA <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' >>> QUIT <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' 554 LeRay Dandy ,Linda Wallce ,Linda Wiley ,"Mrs. Lisa(smith) Wilson" ,Marlene Morgan ,Michael Gardner ,Micheal Obasa ,Michelle Ervin ,Michelle Hurley ,"Walter L. Stephens Jr." ,Nick Summerville ,Phil Carswell ,Carswell Phillip ,Rhea Bentley ,Rita Figaro ,Robert Kemp ,Rodney Johnson ,ron james johnson ,Sam Robinson ,Samuel White ,Sharon A Phillips ,Rashunda Monique Henderson ,Charlie Leak ... Service unavailable 554 Gaylin Fagan ,Glenn Howell ,Carlton Ivery ,Leonard Griggs ,Erskin Lloyd ,Ingrid Quinn ,Janet Russell ,Jaquiline Stallworth ,Jerry Upshaw ,Joe Collins ,Joe Wiley ,"John A. Simmons" ,Johnathan Jackson ,Karen Craig ,"Mrs. KaTanya Bolling Miles" ,Kendrick Boyd ,Kelvin Jordan ,Kelvin Kinsey ,Kelvin Woods ,Kenneth Johnson <00e8975@ccmail.emis.hac.com>,Kevin Wilson ,Kimberly Sinclair ,Arlando Johnson +1 908 957 2762 ... Unbalanced '<' 554 Gaylin Fagan ,Glenn Howell ,Carlton Ivery ,Leonard Griggs ,Erskin Lloyd ,Ingrid Quinn ,Janet Russell ,Jaquiline Stallworth ,Jerry Upshaw ,Joe Collins ,Joe Wiley ,"John A. Simmons" ,Johnathan Jackson ,Karen Craig ,"Mrs. KaTanya Bolling Miles" ,Kendrick Boyd ,Kelvin Jordan ,Kelvin Kinsey ,Kelvin Woods ,Kenneth Johnson <00e8975@ccmail.emis.hac.com>,Kevin Wilson ,Kimberly Sinclair ,Arlando Johnson +1 908 957 2762 ... Unbalanced '<' While talking to ncnoc.ncren.net: >>> DATA <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' >>> QUIT <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' 554 Gaylin Fagan ,Glenn Howell ,Carlton Ivery ,Leonard Griggs ,Erskin Lloyd ,Ingrid Quinn ,Janet Russell ,Jaquiline Stallworth ,Jerry Upshaw ,Joe Collins ,Joe Wiley ,"John A. Simmons" ,Johnathan Jackson ,Karen Craig ,"Mrs. KaTanya Bolling Miles" ,Kendrick Boyd ,Kelvin Jordan ,Kelvin Kinsey ,Kelvin Woods ,Kenneth Johnson <00e8975@ccmail.emis.hac.com>,Kevin Wilson ,Kimberly Sinclair ,Arlando Johnson +1 908 957 2762 ... Service unavailable 554 Chandra Cooper ,Chauncy Eggleston ,Chelsea Jennings ,Christopher Smith ,Darnell Edwards ,Hooks Darren ,Darryl Padgett ,David Brooks ,David Daniels ,Dean Martinez ,Deanna L Draper ,Deanna Hawkins ,Deitrea Edwards ,Dennis Ezell ,Donna Tilford ,"Dwane A. Bell" ,Ellen Gardner ,Emory Carter ,Eric Johnson ,Ervin Smith ,Forrest Wiley ,Fred Norton ... Unbalanced '<' 554 Chandra Cooper ,Chauncy Eggleston ,Chelsea Jennings ,Christopher Smith ,Darnell Edwards ,Hooks Darren ,Darryl Padgett ,David Brooks ,David Daniels ,Dean Martinez ,Deanna L Draper ,Deanna Hawkins ,Deitrea Edwards ,Dennis Ezell ,Donna Tilford ,"Dwane A. Bell" ,Ellen Gardner ,Emory Carter ,Eric Johnson ,Ervin Smith ,Forrest Wiley ,Fred Norton ... Unbalanced '<' While talking to ncnoc.ncren.net: >>> DATA <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' >>> QUIT <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' 554 Chandra Cooper ,Chauncy Eggleston ,Chelsea Jennings ,Christopher Smith ,Darnell Edwards ,Hooks Darren ,Darryl Padgett ,David Brooks ,David Daniels ,Dean Martinez ,Deanna L Draper ,Deanna Hawkins ,Deitrea Edwards ,Dennis Ezell ,Donna Tilford ,"Dwane A. Bell" ,Ellen Gardner ,Emory Carter ,Eric Johnson ,Ervin Smith ,Forrest Wiley ,Fred Norton ... Service unavailable 554 skegee-net -- Alex Ashe ,Anglia Toles ,Arif Phillips ,Audrey Holton ,Bert Grissom ,Beverly Adams ,Brian Bradford ,Brian Watson ,Calvin Trowell ,Carla Bailey ,Carla Basley ,Cary Fagan ... Unbalanced '<' 554 skegee-net -- Alex Ashe ,Anglia Toles ,Arif Phillips ,Audrey Holton ,Bert Grissom ,Beverly Adams ,Brian Bradford ,Brian Watson ,Calvin Trowell ,Carla Bailey ,Carla Basley ,Cary Fagan ... Unbalanced '<' While talking to ncnoc.ncren.net: >>> DATA <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' >>> QUIT <<< 554 Unbalanced '<' 554 skegee-net -- Alex Ashe ,Anglia Toles ,Arif Phillips ,Audrey Holton ,Bert Grissom ,Beverly Adams ,Brian Bradford ,Brian Watson ,Calvin Trowell ,Carla Bailey ,Carla Basley ,Cary Fagan ... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by jade.ncat.edu (5.65/TAS/11-16-88) id AA02518; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:13:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:13:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Terry J. Alloway" Sender: "Terry J. Alloway" Reply-To: "Terry J. Alloway" Subject: mail msg... To: Charlie Leak Cc: skegee-net -- Alex Ashe , Anglia Toles , Arif Phillips , Audrey Holton , Bert Grissom , Beverly Adams , Brian Bradford , Brian Watson , Calvin Trowell , Carla Bailey , Carla Basley , Cary Fagan , Chandra Cooper , Charlie Leak , Chauncy Eggleston , Chelsea Jennings , Christopher Smith , Darnell Edwards , Hooks Darren , Darryl Padgett , David Brooks , David Daniels , Dean Martinez , Deanna L Draper , Deanna Hawkins , Deitrea Edwards , Dennis Ezell , Donna Tilford , "Dwane A. Bell" , Ellen Gardner , Emory Carter , Eric Johnson , Ervin Smith , Forrest Wiley , Fred Norton , Gaylin Fagan , Glenn Howell , Carlton Ivery , Leonard Griggs , Erskin Lloyd , Ingrid Quinn , Janet Russell , Jaquiline Stallworth , Jerry Upshaw , Joe Collins , Joe Wiley , "John A. Simmons" , Johnathan Jackson , Julia Williams , Karen Craig , "Mrs. KaTanya Bolling Miles" , Kendrick Boyd , Kelvin Jordan , Kelvin Kinsey , Kelvin Woods , Kenneth Johnson <00e8975@ccmail.emis.hac.com>, Kenyatta Davis , Kevin Wilson , Kimberly Threadgill , Kimberly Sinclair , Arlando Johnson +1 908 957 2762 , LeRay Dandy , Linda Wallce , Linda Wiley , "Mrs. Lisa(smith) Wilson" , Marlene Morgan , "Martin B. Morgan" , Michael Gardner , Micheal Obasa , Michelle Ervin , Michelle Hurley , "Walter L. Stephens Jr." , Nick Summerville , Phil Carswell , Carswell Phillip , "Anthony W. Tucker" , Rhea Bentley , Rita Figaro , Rolando Outland , Robert Kemp , Rodney Johnson , ron james johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII ********************** I was not receiving this message previously. Can you help!!!!!!!! Also, is it possible to set up a list server or something that mimics the actions in pine. The area on selecting incoming mail folders was not clear to me. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 10:48:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10352; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:48:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23523; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:31:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23517; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:31:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpgnC-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 10:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olly@mantis.co.uk (Olly Betts) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:21:05 -0000 Message-Id: <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jvmno$a4o@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.net> <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >In article <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.net>, >Stefan Kurth wrote: >>Nope, it isn't. An 822 References line contains message-IDs of (or >>plain-text pointers to) "other correspondence which this message >>references." These referenced messages need not necessarily be >>precursors of the current one. > >Considering that message-ids are generated by the system when a message >is sent, it is impossible for a mail references header to contain the >ids of messages that aren't older than the mail the header is in. Not necessarily. I generate my own message ids (this message has message id <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk>). I do this so I can use strn's score files to pick out follow-ups to my posts (by looking at the References:) and distinguish them from follow-ups to other mantis posts. So I could easily reference future messages if I actually wanted to. I could send a large message in several chunks, such that each message references all the others. More relevantly, 1036 References are tree-like (due to the way they are generated), whereas 822 References can cross-link or do anything else. In reality, all the References: lines I've seen on e-mail are valid by RFC-1036 too (I'm working on a threading mail-to-news script, so I've been looking carefully). Olly -- Putting the "Ol" in technology. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 11:17:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11551; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:17:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24620; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:06:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24614; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:06:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rphHR-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 17 Mar 1995 18:35:19 GMT Message-Id: <3kckp7$290@news.ysu.edu> References: <17364F9C8S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3j In a previous article, FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) says: >[I said...] >> In other words, with Pine, the only way to see the correct characters >>that are intended to be sent is for the sending device to match the >>display device. (Probably PC-Pine has some translation, ... > >Well, now that question is on the table, so I would be interested >to hear the answer... I can't say for sure about ISO Latin-1 support with CP850. I do know that I chose to run PC-Pine as a batch file which first loaded an ISO 8859-2 code page on the PC (this was in Slovakia and Czechia), then ran Pine, then restored the original code page, so no translation was needed. I'm pretty sure the support for Latin-2 and PC code pages is not there, though (please correct me if I'm wrong). The FTP servers mentioned in my previous posts also contain fonts and utilities from the Kermit distribution which can be used for this... ftp://ccsun.tuke.sk/pub/font-archive/pc/ coll or utils for unzipped ftp://ftp.vszbr.cz/pub/pcfonts/ -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn When in Ann Arbor, Michigan this week, visit the 33rd Ann Arbor 16mm Film Fest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 11:22:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11724; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:22:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05497; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:06:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05491; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:06:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rphH4-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: fuzzy@asarian.org Subject: to define local usenet spool files to pine Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:56:41 GMT Message-Id: my usual way to get news is via nntp to my providers news server. in addition I've setup local usenet for a handfull of news groups. to workaround the the fact the news item numbers are different for the local spool version, I chnaged the tin program to look for .lnwsrc as its subscription file (instead of .newsrc). I dont know if pine uses that file to determine what articles to display as unread. I called the new tin ltin vs tin which is really rtin (nntp). what do I need to put into the pine.conf file to have pine see the local news spool as a news source (/usr/spool/news/...)? And can it be told to look for .lnwsrc vs .newsrc so both the remote and local servers will continue to work correctly. fuzzy sysadmin, asarian.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 12:01:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13267; Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:01:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06488; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:51:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06482; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:51:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rphyf-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: International character sets Message-Id: <17364F9C8S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:45:43 GMT In article <3kc484$mac@news.ysu.edu> ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) writes: (I wrote) ... and at the other >>end will need to do its best to map those onto the display used >>by the receiving platform. > > To avoid further misunderstanding, let me point out that Pine >has no routines for translating a particular character set as defined >in incoming mail, or outgoing mail for that matter, to a different >character set of a display device. Pine simply passes through all >data as the 8-bit characters they are. Thanks for making that clear. I was trying to provoke someone into saying what I had been unable to find clearly stated in the documentation. ;-) > It would be nice if one could configure the display charset and the >trnasport (mail) character set differently, but that would add quite a >bit of extra code and tables to translate from one charset to another. This would represent a valuable facility in some situations, in the sense that the recipient cannot control the sender's choice of code, and must make do with what they've received. In my previous posting I had drafted a question asking how _PC_ Pine (which I don't use and am not familiar with) deals with the PC character set(s), but then I took it out again, thinking that this could be a topic of its own... > In other words, with Pine, the only way to see the correct characters >that are intended to be sent is for the sending device to match the >display device. (Probably PC-Pine has some translation, ... Well, now that question is on the table, so I would be interested to hear the answer... > .. Kermit which supports a variety of code pages and charsets.) MS Kermit (the last I looked at it) did indeed seem to support more code pages and characters than most other terminal emulations added together. > If your character set doesn't match that with which the mail was set, >you'll see some characters wrong Quite so. Thanks for clearing up those various points. Best regards From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 12:39:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14882; Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:39:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26585; Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:31:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26577; Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:31:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpibz-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 12:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 17 Mar 1995 13:53:08 GMT Message-Id: <3kc484$mac@news.ysu.edu> References: <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> [...] PINE >is rather more ambitious than this, in that it can use a range of >encodings on the wire (as declared in the header) and at the other >end will need to do its best to map those onto the display used >by the receiving platform. To avoid further misunderstanding, let me point out that Pine has no routines for translating a particular character set as defined in incoming mail, or outgoing mail for that matter, to a different character set of a display device. Pine simply passes through all data as the 8-bit characters they are. It would be nice if one could configure the display charset and the trnasport (mail) character set differently, but that would add quite a bit of extra code and tables to translate from one charset to another. In other words, with Pine, the only way to see the correct characters that are intended to be sent is for the sending device to match the display device. (Probably PC-Pine has some translation, unless I'm thinking of Kermit which supports a variety of code pages and charsets.) The charsets that should be used for mail, and thus those for which Pine should be configured, are outlined in RFC1700, although use of regional variants of ISO 646 is deprecated in favor of ISO 8859-1 which covers a wide variety of western European languages. If your character set doesn't match that with which the mail was set, you'll see some characters wrong -- like the British pound for the US $ dollar sign with your UK-ASCII, or the currency symbol (sorta a cross between o and x) on the otherwise-US-ASCII Tesla VT100 clones I used in Slovakia. Anyone want to volunteer to write code to perform translation from a mail MIME charset to a different display charset? It would be very useful... >Well, I now discover that if I consult PINE's online help >information for its character code parameter, it talks exclusively >about its effect on outgoing mail, and does not at all mention the >effect on the display of incoming mail. This seems to me something >of a shortcoming in the information. Pine uses the character set you define in the configuration to tag the message for the recipient. When you receive mail with a different tagging, Pine cautions you that some characters may be different, but goes ahead and passes the characters to your display. It would be up to you, if possible, to change your charset to match that specified in the incoming mail, which is relatively easy to do if running X with an escape sequence. Any volunteers to write code to send X sequences to change the font used when differently tagged mail comes in? There are a variety of MIME-useful charset fonts available from ftp://ftp.vszbr.cz/pub/X11-fonts/ or ftp://ccsun.tuke.sk/pub/font-archive/X11/ for people running X desiring support for additional languages... -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) When in Ann Arbor, Michigan this week, visit the 33rd Ann Arbor 16mm Film Fest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 15:18:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22914; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:18:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11120; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:10:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11114; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:10:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpl6q-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: laniege@eng.auburn.edu (Glenn E. Lanier) Subject: Re: can't open folder lock message Message-Id: References: <3jfdej$qc9@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:23:06 GMT On 8 Mar 1995 05:08:14 -0800, in comp.mail.pine, keviny@HK.Super.Net (parading as Kevin Yeung) managed to electronically scribble: % On 6 Mar 1995, Andrew J. Hess wrote: % > I had a similar experience when I logged on without quiting pine % > beforehand. One of the messages gave a process number, and when I typed % > "kill (number)" from the unix prompt, I was able to use pine normally % > again. Ps didn't show the process for me, either. % Try "ps agux|grep " instead. Hope this helps. Sometimes, kill -9 pid must be used. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Lanier II Preferred: laniege@eng.auburn.edu | | 04 CS Graduation in: 82 Days - 118178 Minutes | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | CONgress- The opposite of PROgress | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 15:19:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23042; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:19:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00725; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:15:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00719; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:15:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpl9E-00038FC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 17 Mar 1995 13:21:41 GMT Message-Id: <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jq5p9$a7l@unlisys.unlisys.net> <3jvmno$a4o@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.net> In article <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.net>, Stefan Kurth wrote: >Nope, it isn't. An 822 References line contains message-IDs of (or >plain-text pointers to) "other correspondence which this message >references." These referenced messages need not necessarily be >precursors of the current one. Considering that message-ids are generated by the system when a message is sent, it is impossible for a mail references header to contain the ids of messages that aren't older than the mail the header is in. >A 1036 References line however may only contain backwards references, For the same reason mail is the same. >> But wait! That is an admission that mail and news are not technically >> the same thing. > >Of course they're not, and I never claimed they are. Others have. >This doesn't mean the user has to learn two >different interfaces And I have never said they must. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 15:27:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23426; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:27:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11452; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:21:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11444; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:21:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rplF6-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrisa@netcom.com (Alan Morris) Subject: Re: A simple question from a beginner Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:18:50 GMT I believe it means you answered that message. Dr. David J. Rowbotham (djr8@le.ac.uk) wrote: : In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance : of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 15:28:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23465; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:28:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00925; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:21:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00919; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:21:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rplII-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:07:22 GMT Message-Id: <3kc52q$nvl@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> <3jvme7$9p3@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In article , wrote: >Ah, good to have Mr. Stanley back in the discussion. This is an example of non-inflammatory posting? >Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 12-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming >Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (1350) > >> To you they aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't to anyone else. > >You mean to me as an author of news/mail handling software they aren't >important? You said they weren't important to you. You didn't say whether you were speaking as a developer or a user. All I said was, to you, in whatever mode you were speaking, there was no difference (that is what you said), and that that lack of difference didn't necessarily apply to anyone but you. >That I can ignore the difference? If you are not writing software that other people are going to use, feel free to ignore whatever the hell you want. If you are writing tools for other people, then pay attention to what those people are telling you about how they want the tools to work. >> Well, an admission that news and mail can be different for some people. >> Progress is being made. > >This is diatribe, not dialogue. Your point, Mr. Welcome Back to the Conversation? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 15:31:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23644; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:31:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11506; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:24:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11498; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:24:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rplN9-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 15:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrisa@netcom.com (Alan Morris) Subject: attached files forced into Mime? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:38 GMT I'd appreciate any help with the following problem. I've RTFM (maybe just not the right spots), and continue to have a problem attaching readable files to email sent with Pine. I uuencode a file, enter pine, and attach the uuencoded file. However, the files are reaching the destination as mime encoded, and are not readable with a simple uudecode. I'm using Pine 3.91. I've been able to grab and uudecode files sent to me with no problem, but since several recipients have been unable to uudecode files I've attached I need to do something differently. Thanks for any help, Alan Morris -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 17:21:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28816; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:21:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13836; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:04:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13828; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:04:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpmuT-00038FC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: Re: Does any version of PINE/PICO support ispell instead of spell? Date: 17 Mar 1995 15:36:42 GMT Message-Id: <3kcaaa$j3l@news.missouri.edu> References: <3kamk5$256@oracle.cs.utexas.edu> Jie Pan (jiepan@cs.utexas.edu) wrote: : Hi friends, : As you know, "spell" is a proprietary software of AT&T and one : can not get it freely. So far I find pine or pico only : recognize spell. Ispell is free and much better than spell, : if you know how to make pine/pico work under ispell please : help. Thanks. Look here: http://www.cac.washington.edu:1180/pine/pine-info/index.html Regards, David -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 17:22:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28847; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:22:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03378; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:04:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03372; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:04:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpmuQ-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: Re: Does any version of PINE/PICO support ispell instead of spell? Date: 17 Mar 1995 15:33:19 GMT Message-Id: <3kca3v$m01@news.missouri.edu> References: <3kamk5$256@oracle.cs.utexas.edu> Jie Pan (jiepan@cs.utexas.edu) wrote: : Hi friends, : As you know, "spell" is a proprietary software of AT&T and one : can not get it freely. So far I find pine or pico only : recognize spell. Ispell is free and much better than spell, : if you know how to make pine/pico work under ispell please : help. Thanks. I believe I have seen some articles on how to accomplish this at the site http://www.cac.washington.edu/ somewhere in the discussion archives. David -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 18:09:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00481; Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:09:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04343; Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:03:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04337; Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:03:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpnn2-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 17:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tlee@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Travis Lee) Subject: Port PINE to OS2 WARP 3? Date: 17 Mar 1995 17:59:48 GMT Message-Id: <3kcimk$7k3@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Hello..is there stable versions of PINE that have been ported to OS2?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 19:06:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01861; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:06:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15640; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:03:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15634; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:03:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpoiA-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: butta1@bu.edu (Nelson Chin) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 18 Mar 1995 00:07:30 GMT Message-Id: <3kd882$ps7@news.bu.edu> References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> <17360A49CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> where in RFC 1700, says which characters sets are registered to be used with MIME? i thought IANA takes care of MIME registered character sets? Nelson Roman Czyborra (czyborra@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: : Barry misunderstood you. You weren't going to send out UK-ASCII. But : you could send out ISO-646-GB which is the MIME label (RFC 1700) for : that old British standard 4730. My users would be able to read that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 19:12:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01997; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:12:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05260; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:09:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05254; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:09:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rporg-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 19:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: liam@bra01.icl.co.uk (Liam Crilly) Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:41:07 GMT Pat Niemeyer wrote: » Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through » a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using » pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) [...] » Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? » (or any other fix to my problem) You could start pine with "pine -k" and then use the [F3] key to send mail. Liam. -- ++ Liam Crilly ++ liam@bra01.icl.co.uk ++ http://www.herts.ac.uk/~cs3ba/ ++ ++ SPEC representative, Performance Benchmarking & Sizing, ICL, Bracknell. ++ ++ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ++ ++ "Davy man don't tell the man that! Marzipan is private!" - Donald Stott ++ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 20:25:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03621; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:25:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06244; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:18:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06232; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:18:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rppuQ-00038FC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: PLUONG@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Subject: PINE help! Date: 17 Mar 1995 11:29:35 -0600 Message-Id: what does these mean..... Bcc ?? Fcc ??? what is the difference? thanks please e-mail me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 20:32:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03831; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:32:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16693; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:25:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16687; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:24:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpq16-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gerland@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jim Gerland) Subject: calling PINE with a specific news group? Date: 17 Mar 1995 17:27:53 GMT Message-Id: <3kcgqp$loo@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> What is the syntax (if it's possible) to invoke PINE and have it go directly into a specific news group? To get to a particular mail folder I can use: pine -f name-of-folder but how would I do: pine -f name-of-news-group Thanks, Jim... -- Jim Gerland - Manager, Network Information Services University at Buffalo Academic Services, Computing & Information Technology Buffalo, NY 14260 716.645.3557 Work 716.645.3734 FAX gerland@acsu.buffalo.edu URL: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~gerland From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 21:11:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04869; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:11:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06918; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:04:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06912; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:04:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpqXV-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 20:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gblake@mis.nu.edu (Gregory "snooze" Blake) Subject: Re: Pine under solaris 2.4 .... AIE! Date: 17 Mar 1995 08:15:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3kccjs$ota@mis.nu.edu> References: <3k4ti0$92s@mis.nu.edu> <3k5nkl$1133@news.missouri.edu> First off, Thanks to all you who send me suggestions on how to fix this. In the end, the best solution? Use gcc and use the -traditional switch and remove the -ansi one in pine/makefile.sol, this took care of everything. (OH yeah... and add -DSYSTYPE to that line also as it was left out). Someone sent patches for me to use, but just using -traditional and gcc seemed to work much better :). Hope this helps some other people out there too! snooze -- ------------------------------------PLUR--------------------------------------- Gregory Blake - snooze@DeepSeas,TooMUSH]I[,fantasia,etc - snooze@mis.nu.edu 619-563-2595 | 619-528-4531 | home: 4783 Utah St, San Diego 92116 "Understanding is a three edged sword." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 21:16:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05000; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:16:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17315; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:10:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17309; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:10:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpqhy-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: theo@netcom.com (Theo CHINO) Control: cancel Message-Id: Subject: The Cyberspace Homeless SPAM CANCEL Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:31:24 GMT This spam cancel brought to you by the CancelCow(tm), which is nothing but a cheezy copy of the CancelMoose(tm). Comments to an54301@anon.penet.fi. The streets will flow with the blood of the spam-believers. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 21:54:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05859; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:54:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07473; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:50:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07467; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:50:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rprMq-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 21:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Byers Subject: REQUEST: pico editing not in memory Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:37:29 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've noticed that pico reads in an entire file into memory. This is a problem when you want to edit a huge file. On a UNIX system, for example, a single user can cause serious performance degredation by pico-ing a file that pushes the system into a high paging rate. [our users are so comfortable with pico via pine, they've taken to using pico as a standalone text editor] Are there any plans to release a version of pico that doesn't read an entire file into memory? -Bob Byers Harvard School of Public Health Boston, MA 02115 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 22:14:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06313; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:14:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18039; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:10:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18033; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:10:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpreJ-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stkst6+@pitt.edu (Stacy Kuiper) Subject: HELP, I CAN'T MAIL TO MY DIST. LIST Date: 18 Mar 1995 03:52:41 GMT Message-Id: <3kdle9$b6n@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> { I have a rather large distribution list which I compiled for my boss's use and now, when I attempt to send a eesage to them, I get a blank "To:" column. I can succeed in sending messages to my other dist. list, so why can't I do it with this one? HELP, HELP. This is just terrible. PLEASE EMAIL ME IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE!!!! ACKKKK!!!! Thanks in advance... Stacy Kuiper From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 22:14:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06349; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:14:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07736; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:10:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07730; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:10:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rprfa-00038FC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: attached files forced into Mime? Date: 18 Mar 1995 04:20:57 GMT Message-Id: <3kdn39$pc5@hustle.rahul.net> References: In morrisa@netcom.com (Alan Morris) writes: >I uuencode a file, enter pine, and attach the uuencoded file. >However, the files are reaching the destination as mime encoded, >and are not readable with a simple uudecode. When you tell pine to 'attach' a file, it normally encodes it using base-64 encoding. So, in your case, the file ends up being encoded twice: First with uuencoding, then again with base-64 encoding. Possible solutions (pick any one): 1. Ask the recipient to read the message with pine, save the attached file, then exit pine and uudecode the file. (Or read with any mail reader that can decode MIME-encoded messages.) 2. Ask the recipient to pipe the message through 'metamail', which will send the base-64-decoded contents to standard output. This should be directed to a file, and then uudecoded in a separate step. 3. When composing your message, don't ask pine to attach the file. Instead, use the ^R key while composing the body of the message. This will let you include the file in the body without encoding it further. Now the recipient can uudecode the message directly. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 22:43:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06951; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:43:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18435; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:40:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18429; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:40:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpsAu-00038CC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 22:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: UMABnet Help Account Subject: Characters used (or not) in Pine Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:04:31 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is ^? used anywhere in pine or in pico? How about in emacs? Thanks for the help. Miriam Jaffe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HELP Team * Information Services * University of Maryland at Baltimore 100 North Greene Street, 2nd floor * Baltimore, MD * 21201 * U.S.A. 410 706 HELP * help@umabnet.ab.umd.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 17 23:26:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07770; Fri, 17 Mar 95 23:26:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08615; Fri, 17 Mar 95 23:20:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08609; Fri, 17 Mar 95 23:20:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rpsjn-00038DC; Fri, 17 Mar 95 23:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: Characters used (or not) in Pine Date: 17 Mar 1995 18:25:20 GMT Message-Id: <3kck6g$1ue@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, help@umabnet.ab.umd.edu (UMABnet Help Account) says: >Is ^? used anywhere in pine or in pico? How about in emacs? What do you mean, ``^?'' This pair of printable characters is how the DELete character (decimal code 127), a non-printing character, is represented by Unix, the way that a backspace (control-H) is represented as ``^H''. If you mean this, yes, in all three, they normally delete the previous character. If you mean control-?, there is no such character. There are 32 control characters, @, A-Z, [, \, ], ^, and _. Some keyboards may recognize the control key when used in combination with other keys, like ? or numbers, but these are not ASCII control characters. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn When in Ann Arbor, Michigan this week, visit the 33rd Ann Arbor 16mm Film Fest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 08:31:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20442; Sat, 18 Mar 95 08:31:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25814; Sat, 18 Mar 95 08:26:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25808; Sat, 18 Mar 95 08:26:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq1JO-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 08:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: leeaj@stripe.colorado.edy (Albert Lee) Subject: sending mail with mime(QP) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:57:03 +0900 Hi, I would like to ask how I can send mail with Quoted-printable instead of Base64 on pine. Whenever I send out a mail, it says the encoding as base64 in headfile. Is there anyway that I can change the encoding as QP? Thanks in advance, Albert From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 09:09:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21435; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:09:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16300; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:06:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16294; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:06:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq1sa-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cjacobs@ps2.xs4all.nl (Chris Jacobs) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: <6gq52c1w165w@ps2.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 23:47:04 MET References: <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > Considering that message-ids are generated by the system when a message > is sent, it is impossible for a mail references header to contain the > ids of messages that aren't older than the mail the header is in. Suppose I mail a text to a moderator to be posted in a newsgroup. I send someone a cc: The someone replies me and the reply contains a reference. Thereafter the moderator posts my email as news but does not generate a new msgid, instead he reuses the msgid of my email for the news. I would say that then the reference refers to all copies of that text, the news copies as well as the email copies. Nevertheless the news was posted only after the reference. -- Chris Jacobs From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 09:38:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22361; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:38:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26766; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:32:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26760; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:32:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq2JJ-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 09:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 10 Mar 1995 07:25:28 GMT Message-Id: <3jout8$f9u@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: In Mark Crispin writes: >Two very vocal individuals, at ORST.EDU and RAHUL.NET, seem to feel that >by filibustering newsgroups and mailing lists, they can eventually beat >those who disagree into submission. They also seem to feel that sending >abusive email will give them their way. This nonsense merits correction. I sent Mr. Crispin one piece of email, which was a response to mail he sent to me. What Mr. Crispin is really complaining about, and complained to my admin about, was the comp.mail.headers gateway to the headers-people mailing list. While Mr. Crispin chose to send personal copies of every article he sent to that mailing list to me by mail directly, I did not choose to have the gateway send him anything. (In fact, had there been a way to tell the gateway to limit what Mr. Crispin received,I would have used it. There was no such option. Mr. Crispin signed on to the mailing list for a penny, he signed on for a pound. On the other side, Mr. Crispin refused to stop choosing to send me the mail he was.) Now, just what is the "submission" I am trying to force upon people? One thing. Open your world view to accept that there are people who do not view mail and news and the same thing, and who do not use mail and news for the same thing, and write the tools to allow the distinction to be made. That is, simply, accept that "same thing" is not the only viewpoint. Nobody is saying that you must accept "different" as the only way, just accept it as A way. A tool that allows users to differentiate can be used in non-differentiating mode, but the obverse is not true. The argument "people don't believe news and mail are different" just won't fly -- there are people here telling you they believe they are different. How you want to treat them is your business. Just understand that some people DON'T believe they are the same. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 11:56:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25416; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:56:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18480; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:47:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18474; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:47:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq4Od-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Pat Niemeyer Subject: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: 16 Mar 1995 06:14:14 GMT Message-Id: <3k8kvm$91p@server.icon-stl.net> Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the keys for that area are mapped. Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? (or any other fix to my problem) Thanks, Pat From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 11:58:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25522; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:58:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28627; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:51:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28621; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:51:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq4Uw-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 11:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lhoover@grape.epix.net (Larry Hoover) Subject: mail-no mail Date: 18 Mar 1995 14:28:37 GMT Message-Id: <3keqml$78o@grape.epix.net> i get a message that says i have email but there is nothing when i look in the in box. thanks for your help From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 13:22:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27284; Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:22:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19605; Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:19:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19599; Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:19:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq5pQ-00038DC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jfroths@MCS.COM (Jay F. Rothschild) Subject: /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed Date: 18 Mar 1995 14:56:31 -0600 Message-Id: <3kfhdv$853@Mercury.mcs.com> How do I stop users from configuring Pine on an SCO Unix system? I have a /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed file but it still allows change by users. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 14:53:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29024; Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:53:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00845; Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:49:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00839; Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:49:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq7Dw-00038DC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Pine HP UX 9.0X port? Date: 18 Mar 1995 22:21:29 GMT Message-Id: <3kfmd9$s71@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3kd8a1$j3s@wage.cyberspace.com> holdeman@cyberspace.com (Michael W Holdeman) writes: >I got pine 3.89 from CIS but was unable to compile it on my HP9000 >running HP-UX 9.04. Has any body ported it to HPUX 9.XX yet. If so are >there any executables or just source?? Look on ftp://ftp.cae.wisc.edu/hpux, where you will find a lot of HP-UX-compiled stuff, not just Pine. -- David Lemson (217) 244-8833 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 15:23:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29711; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:23:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21070; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:19:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21064; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:19:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq7fx-00038FC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rwockner@netcom.com (Rex Wockner) Subject: Re: SUDDENLY pine won't mail more than 25 people????? Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:53:00 GMT Jason Haar (jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com) wrote: : In article dbrenner@nemo.weeg.uiowa.edu wrote: : : I'm guessing that there is a buffer overrun in the new sendmail that is : : happening under AIX. (I haven't seen anyone in comp.mail.sendmail report : : similar problems, so this is only a guess.) : If that is the cause, it isn't a general sendmail 8.6.10 problem - I just : used pine to send to 35 addresses, and it worked fine... : Of course, it wasn't under AIX :-) I suspect the problem is at netcom, since I dial in, use my computer as a dummy-terminal, and run pine on their machine(s). What should I tell them to change back the way it was before? Rex -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rex Wockner - A Chicagoan in San Diego - A news reporter -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Life is short. Have an adventure today. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 15:53:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00714; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:53:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21483; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:49:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21477; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:49:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq7kR-00038KC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:22:22 -0600 Message-Id: <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> References: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> In article <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>In addition to the possibility >>of accidents in transmission, you are relying on the kindness of >>strangers as far as respecting your wishes for privacy goes. > >I believe the situation here is a little more complicated: > > A sends private email to B. The email does not have a cc header. > It does have a Newsgroups header, which is a comment for the benefit > of the human reader. > > B wishes to send a reply to A. In the reply, B includes some of the > private text from A's message. > > Mail program assigns semantics to the Newsgroups header, and asks if > B wishes to post the response to Usenet. B abesnt-mindedly answers > Yes. > >The loss of privacy occurs because A's text was included in B's >response. Both people (strangers or not) *are* being kind to one >another, so that is not the issue here. The issue here is the >accidental, not deliberate, loss of privacy, caused by a program asking >a question it should never have asked. Yes, I understand the situation that is being discussed, but I'm trying to point out that the problem A is complaining about is in fact caused by A saying something he shouldn't have committed electronically in the first place and by A including the Newsgroups: header on his transmission. Whatever B or his mail program does is almost irrelevant to the issue. I suspect that there are even situations in certain places that would cause the bounce message to be delivered to the newsgroup in the case where B's mailbox wasn't even available. However I haven't really used Pine enough to comment on it's behaviour. My impression is that such a program should have one command that says "reply to sender only" whether in the context of news or mail and another command that says "reply to everyone who saw this". If the user is giving the "reply to sender" command (or Pine doesn't have such a command) and Pine is offering to post anyway, then I agree that it is broken. If it always uses a two-step command where the user has to indicate he wants to reply, then give another response as to where the reply should go, I'd say it is more confusing than necessary, but probably not broken. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 16:17:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01221; Sat, 18 Mar 95 16:17:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01924; Sat, 18 Mar 95 16:13:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01918; Sat, 18 Mar 95 16:13:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rq8aZ-00038DC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 16:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lhoover@grape.epix.net (Larry Hoover) Subject: mail-no mail Date: 18 Mar 1995 17:12:17 GMT Message-Id: <3kf49h$gj1@grape.epix.net> hello---i dont seem to be getting any e-mail even though i've Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04583; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:52:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23693; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:48:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23687; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:48:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqB06-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: please ignore Dhesi Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:02:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple of months ago, Rahul Dhesi did this same thing to the membership of the header-people mailing list (the discussion group for RFC-822 email implementors), which was once gatewayed to the comp.mail.headers mailing list. After several weeks of his bullying, the gateway between header-people and comp.mail.headers was broken in order to permit the normal business of header-people to resume. Dhesi is also expressly uninvited from header-people. Is Dhesi now attempting to shut down the pine-info mailing list's gateway with comp.mail.pine? It is plain to see that Brian Tao did a normal mailing list reply. Brian did nothing to deserve this treatment. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:34:31 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Aside: The attached email was unsoliciated, since I posted to Usenet and did not send any email. If I now reply to it (as I'm doing now), will I be accused of sending abusive email? (I will address the actual issue in comp.mail.pine.) Rahul > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:16:37 GMT > From: Brian Tao > To: Rahul Dhesi > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Message-Id: > Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles > On 15 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > > > > One incoming newsfeed and 3 megs a day? A sporadic incoming newsfeed > > that's rather selective based on my tastes, a couple of hundred > > kbytes a day? > > > > Just what is meant by offline news reading? > > If your posted articles are not injected into the news stream ASAP > after posting, but are spooled to disk for later transmission (e.g., > because you do not have a permanent TCP/IP connection), then I would > say you are reading offline. > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 18:58:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04722; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:58:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03873; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:52:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03867; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:52:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqB3Z-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 18:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Lee Ann Sakihara Subject: Turn off UNIX file type English text? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 03:47:59 GMT I uploaded a file from Microsoft Word, and it showed up as a file type of English text instead of ASCII text on our UNIX system. When I send this file, to others the TAB is translated to =09, CR/LF shows up as =20, and the printer's quote is translated to =D5. Is there any way to turn off the translation of these characters when I send the message? Thanks for any suggestions. -Lee Ann Sakihara, UH Information Technology Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 20:47:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06802; Sat, 18 Mar 95 20:47:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25051; Sat, 18 Mar 95 20:42:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25045; Sat, 18 Mar 95 20:42:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqCmf-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 20:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daleh@efn.org (Dale Huckeby) Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 16 Mar 1995 19:23:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3kavav$ioc@efn.org> References: <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> >> Rahul Dhesi writes: >> > Usenet followups should be sent only when reading Usenet news >> > "live", i.e., when a freshly-obtained posting (which you "get") >> > is being viewed. After you have "gotten" it and saved it, it >> > becomes akin to email and no more Usenet followups should >> > be derived from it. Your assumption is both odd and presumptuous. I rarely reply to a posting "live". It takes me too long to sort out my thoughts and craft a reply. I prefer to save _any_ interesting articles to a folder, and then go back later and decide whether or not to do a follow-up. My only problem is this: I save to a pine folder, because that way I can go back later and post, but pine assumes that I want to either email _and_ post, or just email, whereas I usually want _only_ to post. You apparently assume that I should be allowed _only_ to post immediately, in the heat of the moment, without any time for reflection. I tend to do that only when I run across something asinine enough to trigger an immediate response, against my better judgement...like now. Dale Huckeby From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 18 23:55:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10349; Sat, 18 Mar 95 23:55:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07275; Sat, 18 Mar 95 23:53:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07269; Sat, 18 Mar 95 23:53:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqFiz-00038CC; Sat, 18 Mar 95 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 18 Mar 1995 20:51:58 GMT Message-Id: <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> In <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In addition to the possibility >of accidents in transmission, you are relying on the kindness of >strangers as far as respecting your wishes for privacy goes. I believe the situation here is a little more complicated: A sends private email to B. The email does not have a cc header. It does have a Newsgroups header, which is a comment for the benefit of the human reader. B wishes to send a reply to A. In the reply, B includes some of the private text from A's message. Mail program assigns semantics to the Newsgroups header, and asks if B wishes to post the response to Usenet. B abesnt-mindedly answers Yes. The loss of privacy occurs because A's text was included in B's response. Both people (strangers or not) *are* being kind to one another, so that is not the issue here. The issue here is the accidental, not deliberate, loss of privacy, caused by a program asking a question it should never have asked. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 00:59:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11789; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:59:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08008; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:53:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08000; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:53:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqGfF-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: International character sets Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:56:00 -0800 Message-Id: References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> <17360A49CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 17 Mar 1995, Alan J Flavell wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 10:40:38 GMT > From: Alan J Flavell > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: International character sets > > > I have to say frankly that I was approaching the problem with > a mindset somewhat conditioned by WWW, where (on http) there is > only one transfer code defined (ISO-8859-1) and it is the job > of the software to map to and from the display codes used by the > local platforms (be they PC-850, "EBCDIC", or whatever). PINE > is rather more ambitious than this, in that it can use a range of > encodings on the wire (as declared in the header) and at the other > end will need to do its best to map those onto the display used > by the receiving platform. Which (and we come back to my original > point) is often capable of being configured by a separate mechanism, > that is not known to PINE, and might include codes that have no > defined name in MIME. > Actually, Pine is less ambitious since it does not do any translation. The character-set parameter tells Pine what to _assume_ the user's terminal is set to use for a character set. We may investigate some form of translation capabilities in the future, but probably not for the next release... > Well, I now discover that if I consult PINE's online help > information for its character code parameter, it talks exclusively > about its effect on outgoing mail, and does not at all mention the > effect on the display of incoming mail. This seems to me something > of a shortcoming in the information. > The only effect on incoming mail is to display a warning about potential problems at the top of a message when the character-set parameter and the charset in the message do not match... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2oFdt/IU4uTDdHNAQFIWQIAsvqd+b2JYsfMp6jdoT0LhPhqVBcE1s4o A/oefhpUMbNhSTJccMr+uBSjsbD39VMyzfWevBH/pvoXLMd7M+CMfg== =FSOj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 01:00:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11898; Sun, 19 Mar 95 01:00:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27962; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:53:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27956; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:53:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqGfD-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 00:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: default cc: in header Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:07:37 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3k89t0$374@news.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- None of the addresses should be passed on the Bcc:, but there are some broken mail transports that will re-insert them. Inserting a dummy To: address will often avoid this problem... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 17 Mar 1995, Andrew Le wrote: > Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:16:08 -0800 > From: Andrew Le > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: default cc: in header > > > > Help.... > > I'd like to do "mass mailings," but using BCC field will display the > reciepients of all BCC entries... is there a "correct" way to do mass > mailings so that a BCC person cannot see that mail is sent to > another BCC person? > > Andrew > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL2oILt/IU4uTDdHNAQGcDQH/bG2TX4RTik356JYIExzbrDaVE9IoSv2h SIUVgHvb1SFMfiorQWfnM+L1W0gHN2zR57lKup9AVgC1l+ceBmtgpA== =IJwk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:05:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16610; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:05:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00350; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:01:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00344; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:01:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqJbt-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 03:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: daver@psych.colorado.edu (David A. Rettinger) Subject: pine for VMS? Message-Id: <3kcrs7$ogh@lace.Colorado.EDU> Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:36:23 GMT My boss asked me to try and track down a version of Pine that's been ported for use on VMS. Where can I tell him to go (for the software, people. Be nice.)? dave _____________ Dave Rettinger daver@psych.colorado.edu "Cause of AIDS found -- Scientists" Actual headline from the Sacramento Union, 4/24/84 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:14:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16965; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:14:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10690; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:11:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10684; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:11:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqJie-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Copying and pasting into Pine Date: 19 Mar 1995 11:45:23 GMT Message-Id: <3kh5gj$o3i@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kgt5s$hmh@news.ycc.yale.edu> In <3kgt5s$hmh@news.ycc.yale.edu> rlehmann@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Robert Lehmann) writes: >I want to paste a copy of the same paragraph into several different >letters that I'm e-mailing via Pine. Is there a way to make a text that I >can copy over and over, rather than just cut and paste it once, and then >have to rewrite it? You may find this hard to do while staying within pine. I was not able to make pine preserve its text buffer (into which ^K saves text) across messages, i.e. the buffer is apparently emptied once you begin composing a new message. You should be able to put text in a file before you invoke pine, then read it in with the ^R command into a message being composed. So a possible sequence is: 1. Invoke a text editor (e.g. pico) to put text in a file. Save file and exit editor. 2. Invoke pine. While composing a message, put the cursor in the body of the message and use the ^R command to read the file from step 1 into the body of the message. >Also how do I copy and paste from another text into a Pine document? By 'pine document' did you mean a message being composed while using pine? If so, see step 2 above. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:18:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17054; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:18:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10727; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:14:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from srvr5.engin.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10721; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:14:47 -0800 Received: from cap1.capaccess.org (bbouwsma@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id HAA12896; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 07:14:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 07:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: Pivo A Zmrzlina Reply-To: Barry.Bouwsma@tuke.sk Subject: Re: Turn off UNIX file type English text? To: Lee Ann Sakihara Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sigh. My preferred news server is acting up, so I'll have to see how much of my original reply I can remember... On Sat, 18 Mar 1995, Lee Ann Sakihara wrote: > I uploaded a file from Microsoft Word, and it showed up as a file > type of English text instead of ASCII text on our UNIX system. When > I send this file, to others the TAB is translated to =09, CR/LF shows > up as =20, and the printer's quote is translated to =D5. Is there > any way to turn off the translation of these characters when I send > the message? Pine 3.92, which should be available in the not-too-distant future, will allow you to send all these characters without translation if your setup is configured to meet certain conditions. What you see is quoted-printable encoding, which is what Pine now uses whenever it encounters a few non-ASCII characters in your message. In your case, your printer's quote with code 0xD5 is out of the range of ASCII (characters 0-127 decimal or 0x00 to 0x7F). Quoted-printable encoding is intended to preserve characters which often get munged by mail gateways. The TAB character is sometimes lost or converted to a space, which is why you see it as =09. The =20 which you see is not a newline, but a space character at the end of the line, because some mail transport agents do not preserve this space. What has triggered Pine to use Q-P encoding is the character represented as =D5, which in your case is the character for a printer's quote, but in the ISO 8859-1 codeset, represents an O with tilde, or if stripped to 7-bit ASCII, shows up as U. (AHA!!! That's why I see some news posts with words such as donUt on this ASCII-only display I use...) If you can avoid using 8-bit characters such as this, Pine will not encode your message, so you should probably be using the ' apostrophe instead. Being unfamiliar with Microsoft Word, I will leave it up to someone else to explain how to either save a document so your character 0xD5 is converted to the US-ASCII apostrophe, or to convert a MS Word document. hacker Barry Bouwsma, MIME: ASCII: --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:35:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17365; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:35:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10891; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:30:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from srvr5.engin.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10885; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:30:52 -0800 Received: from cap1.capaccess.org (bbouwsma@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id HAA13063; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 07:30:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 07:31:14 -0500 (EST) From: Pivo A Zmrzlina Reply-To: Barry.Bouwsma@tuke.sk Subject: Re: sending mail with mime(QP) To: Albert Lee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Albert Lee wrote: > Hi, I would like to ask how I can send mail with Quoted-printable instead > of Base64 on pine. Whenever I send out a mail, it says the encoding as > base64 in headfile. Is there anyway that I can change the encoding as QP? If you are talking about a plain text message, Pine scans the message to determine whether to encode it if there are 8-bit characters, and if the number of 8-bit characters in the message is more than about 10%, as it is more efficient to use BASE64 encoding for these messages, Pine chooses that. I trust you are using a character set other than US-ASCII for a language other than English, relying heavily on 8-bit characters (Russian and Hebrew are two quick examples in wide usage). If you are talking about attached text files, the Pine tech-notes explains the reasoning for using BASE64 encoding. If your text file you are attaching is ASCII, in English, or a language which uses only a few 8-bit characters, you can ^R read the file into the body of your message and it will not be BASE64'ed. Again, the next release of Pine will permit you to send 8-bit text mail as 8-bit data, instead of relying on Q-P or BASE64 encoding, when you speak to an ESMTP 8BITMIME server (a few examples are PMDF, zmailer, and the upcoming BSD Sendmail v8.7). Also, ask your system administrator to fix your news or mail software. This is what I got when trying to reply to you: To: Albert Lee ^^^ hacker Barry Bouwsma, MIME: ASCII: --hACKeD-MIME-mEssAge-BouNDaRy-666-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:48:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17697; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:48:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01032; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:41:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01026; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:41:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqKBO-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: pine for VMS? Message-Id: <17366BC6BS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3kcrs7$ogh@lace.Colorado.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 13:23:53 GMT In article <3kcrs7$ogh@lace.Colorado.EDU> daver@psych.colorado.edu (David A. Rettinger) writes: >My boss asked me to try and track down a version of Pine that's been >ported for use on VMS. There's a free version from Hebrew Univ of Jerusalem (HUJI), I've written most of what I know about it at: http://d1.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/vms-pine.html I understand there is also a commercial version for PMDF. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 04:59:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17941; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:59:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11209; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:56:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11203; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:56:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqKTs-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rlehmann@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Robert Lehmann) Subject: Copying and pasting into Pine Date: 19 Mar 1995 09:23:08 GMT Message-Id: <3kgt5s$hmh@news.ycc.yale.edu> I want to paste a copy of the same paragraph into several different letters that I'm e-mailing via Pine. Is there a way to make a text that I can copy over and over, rather than just cut and paste it once, and then have to rewrite it? Also how do I copy and paste from another text into a Pine document? Thank you, Robert Lehmann From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 05:00:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17984; Sun, 19 Mar 95 05:00:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11225; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:57:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11219; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:57:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqKTW-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ben@pewter3.demon.co.uk (Ben Vincent) Subject: Mail progs Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:05:24 +0000 Message-Id: <893624657wnr@pewter3.demon.co.uk> Does anyone know if there is a FAQ or just info about pine I could find somewhere? I have to find a mail package to install at my University. Pine seems to be good, but I will have to prove it is, by listing its features etc.. If you could email me at ben@pewter3.demon.co.uk I would be most grateful :-) Ben, -- ==================================================================O Brezhnev took Afghanistan Ben Vincent Begin took Beirut Galtieri took the Union Jack ben@pewter3.demon.co.uk and Maggie over lunch one day brv@zodiac.unl.ac.uk took a cruiser with all hands eqr7vincenb@cluster.unl.ac.uk apparentley to make him give it back O====================================================================O From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 05:04:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18188; Sun, 19 Mar 95 05:04:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11302; Sun, 19 Mar 95 05:01:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11296; Sun, 19 Mar 95 05:01:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqKV9-00038FC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 04:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 19 Mar 1995 11:13:18 GMT Message-Id: <3kh3ke$ng3@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jtvok$nru@hustle.rahul.net> <3jvtb4$ijc@news1.halcyon.com> <3kavav$ioc@efn.org> In <3kavav$ioc@efn.org> daleh@efn.org (Dale Huckeby) writes: >I rarely reply to a >posting "live". It takes me too long to sort out my thoughts and craft >a reply. I prefer to save _any_ interesting articles to a folder, and >then go back later and decide whether or not to do a follow-up. Conventional wisdom is that one becomes familiar with the discusion thread before posting a follow-up. Do you agree or disagree with this? Do think think it would be good advice to suggest to most users that they first save selected postings, and then later follow up to them outside the context of the discussion? -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 09:06:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22904; Sun, 19 Mar 95 09:06:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04065; Sun, 19 Mar 95 09:02:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04059; Sun, 19 Mar 95 09:02:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqO82-000397C; Sun, 19 Mar 95 08:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gharriso@isbe.state.il.us (Gary Harrison) Subject: What Happened Date: 19 Mar 1995 15:17:56 GMT Message-Id: <3khhv4$g0u@isbe.state.il.us> When I send a posting to a news group the header appears and my signature files appears, but the body of my messages dissappears. What is happening? -- +--------------------------------------------------+ | Gary L. Harrison, Superintendent | | Wethersfield Comm. Unit School District No. 230 | | 439 Willard Street - Kewanee, IL 61443 | | (309) 853-4860 FAX (309) 856-7976 | +--------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 10:23:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24661; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:23:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14786; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:10:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14780; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:10:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqPLr-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brody@primenet.com (Bob Brody) Subject: Re: Mail/news off-line Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:06:47 GMT Message-Id: <3kbjf7$bsm@news.primenet.com> References: With furor scribendi, Lunney Paul Michael (lunney@pigeon.qut.edu.au) writes: > Hi, > I have a severe hearing impairment and mail/news is my lifeline. I am > forced to work at home generally, but reading my mail and news on-line is > via a 2400 line which is too slow. > Is there ANY way (pine or other) that I might be able to in effect read > mail/news off-line? eg for mail using the folder directly or exporting to > a big text file, for news I guess I'd have to export. But how can I deal > with these big text files - is there a program (PC PINE?) which can > 'handle' them? Paul, I am terribly new to Pine and have been looking around for a faq or news articles which might help me setup Pine to tie in with Usenet and my subscribed groups, so I can't respond to your question with experience. That said, I've been on Usenet and BBSes since 1983 and have come across all manner of offline reader software. I don't know if that's what you're referring to. For example, as a DOS user, I use programs commonly referred to as QWK mail. Such software permits me to login to the net (or a BBS), execute a command which then automatically grabs all mail that I've pre designated (such as subscribed-to groups, personal email, conference mail, etc., latest bulletins, new uploaded files list, etc.). All this is compressed into a pkzip format file with the extension .qwk, and is then uploaded to my computer and I logoff the net. At that point I have a file, say, BIGNET.QWK, on my disk. At my leisure, I then run my qwk program, it unpacks the BIGNET.QWK file and presents everything to me in a similar fashion as though I am online. I can scan, browse, read, reply, etc. I can do this as time permits as a bookmarking feature is built-in and keeps track of where I left off, etc. My replies (you can tell the program which editor/word processor you want it to call up when you opt to write a reply) are all then collated by the program and it creates a file, say BIGNET.REP. The next time I login to BIGNET, I can again execute the program or manually upload BIGNET.REP and all my replies will be automatically posted in their proper place. I then log off and that's it. Rather convenient and frankly the most convenient for me when I'm pressed for time. Plenty such qwk programs are around as shareware, many flavors to chose from. Bear in mind that if you have a 2400 modem and you have lots and lots of mail to download, it can take some time, same as downloading a 500k file, etc. All depends on how much mail and/or how many active groups you subscribe to and how long between visits. A once or twice daily routine should keep things quite manageable. Again, if this is *not* what you're talking about, major apologies for telling you something you already know and my misunderstanding your post. (If perchance you know how I can tie Pine into Usenet, I wouldn't mind an email on this.) Regards, Bob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 10:26:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24718; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:26:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14948; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:23:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14942; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:23:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqPWh-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: Re: Pine under solaris 2.4 .... AIE! Date: 19 Mar 1995 04:18:44 GMT Message-Id: <3kgbb4$1016@news.missouri.edu> References: <3k4ti0$92s@mis.nu.edu> <3k5nkl$1133@news.missouri.edu> <3kccjs$ota@mis.nu.edu> Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: : Thanks to all you who send me suggestions on how to fix this. In the : end, the best solution? Use gcc and use the -traditional switch and : remove the -ansi one in pine/makefile.sol, this took care of everything. : (OH yeah... and add -DSYSTYPE to that line also as it was left out). : Someone sent patches for me to use, but just using -traditional and gcc : seemed to work much better :). I responded to this once, but accidentally opted to send an email reply to Gregory instead of following-up to his post. I tried the above solution, and it worked, but it also produced an executable (without -g and after stripping) 50% - about 500KB - larger than the executable produced by my patches. I'm sticking with my patches. Regards, David david@services.more.net -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 10:34:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24898; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:34:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05112; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:23:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05106; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:23:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqPW9-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brody@primenet.com (Bob Brody) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups Date: 17 Mar 1995 22:55:59 GMT Message-Id: <3kd41v$2ae@news.primenet.com> References: <3kccl2$n8h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> With furor scribendi, Donna Vanderzalm (vanderz@cc.umanitoba.ca) comments: > Yes, I am using a UNIX system, but is it OK to outright DELETE the file? > Is the file not required to have access to newsgroups? Is the file then > re-created? I know, lots of questions...i'm a curious George. Curiosity leads to experimentation. You could rename (mv) .newsrc to, say, newsrc-save or some such, then see what happens when you start. Your original is still around, so you can breathe easy, and you'll then know for sure what happens. Don't be afraid of your computer/software. Make back ups and tinker. Regards, Bob From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 10:35:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24934; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:35:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05183; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:30:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05171; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:30:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqPiJ-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 10:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kenshep@primenet.com (Ken Shepherd) Subject: AIX Date: 16 Mar 1995 03:36:04 GMT Message-Id: <3k8bn4$nvs@news.primenet.com> Is there a version of Pine that runs on the IBM/RS6000 AIX platform? Thanks, -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Shepherd __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ kenshep@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 13:17:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28485; Sun, 19 Mar 95 13:17:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16936; Sun, 19 Mar 95 13:10:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16930; Sun, 19 Mar 95 13:10:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqS9u-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 13:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lmb@pointer.in-minden.de (Lars Marowsky-Bree) Subject: Filtering OUTGOING mail? Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:13:10 GMT I am looking for a way to filter outgoing mail with pine. Under elm, it is possible to define the program used to mail the msg. Now, I can't use elm for various reasons. How can I do this with Pine? -- Lars Marowsky-Bree Voice: +49-571-63663 PGP-key avail. via server VirNet: 9:492/7158 Fido: 2:2449/620.16 Mail: lmb@pointer.in-minden.de > Windows SUCKS! < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 15:20:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01060; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:20:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08482; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:07:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08476; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:07:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqTyE-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ps@news-server (Paula Sumpter) Subject: Unixware and Pine reply problem Date: 17 Mar 1995 21:55:52 GMT Message-Id: <3kd0h8$qlf@uwm.edu> I've just put up a mail server and have a problem with Pine and replys to messages. I'm using Unixware, I don't know if that is the problem. when i reply to a message, pine fills in the name of the original sender in the To: field like it should, but it adds MY domain address on to the end of the address. Does anyone know how to stop this? thank you. -- | Paula M. Sumpter | ps@mpm1.mpm.edu | | Information Services | Voice: 414 278-2740 | | Milwaukee Public Museum, Inc. | Fax: 414-278-6100 | | 800 W. Wells St. | All opinions in this | | Milwaukee, WI 53233 | message are my own. | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 15:35:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01451; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:35:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18560; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:26:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18554; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:25:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqUGM-00038FC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bf907@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher Pohlad-Thomas) Subject: E-mail addresses Date: 19 Mar 1995 22:19:33 GMT Message-Id: <3kiall$cnr@news.ysu.edu> Does anyone know where I can access a list of famous e-mail addresses online? I know that there is a book but I would like to know if there was a way to get it free online. Thanks for your help. Chris -- Christopher Pohlad-Thomas bf907@yfn2.ysu.edu cpohlad@panther.ferrum.edu (preferred) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 16:01:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02014; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:01:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09087; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:52:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09081; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:52:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqUf4-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 15:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: updating distrib list Date: 19 Mar 1995 22:43:29 GMT Message-Id: <3kic2h$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Ken Malvino to pen: - I too am having a problem with undating my distribution list. I want to - "take" an address and place it in a distribution list. Can this be done?? Yes and the method depends on the mail that you want to Take Addre from. If that mail has only one address, then choose method 1, if it has another address either in Cc: or Reply-To use method 2. Method -1: First enable aggregate command set option, then hit ";" to select the current mail whose address you want to Take, then hit A for apply, T to take address and then follow Method -2. Method -2: Highlight the mail whose address you want to Take to an existing distribution list, then hit T. It will take you into List Take Mode. Select the address that you want and then T to take again and type in the nickname of the existing list and then A to add to the list. -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ "If your not the lead dog. . . the view never changes . . . - R.L." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 16:28:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02617; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:28:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19154; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:16:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19148; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:16:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqV3W-00038HC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) Subject: two newservers vs one .newsrc ?? Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:17:22 -0600 Message-Id: <3kie22$q2h@athena.rpl.regina.sk.ca> Before I completely trash my existing .newsrc, I thought it would be prudent to at least ask for advice. The saga so far: we have been transferring news to a local machine. And we have local newsgroups on the same machine. In the interest of saving hard drive space, and getting a complete set of news, we now have nntp access to an outside news provider. I tested access using trn. The first thing that happened was that all local groups were declared bogus and were marked unsubscribed. Not nice. What we want to do is set up pine to access both machines as seperate news sources. I can do that in the configuration. But, before turning the masses loose, I need to find a way of avoiding each access to a seperate news source bogusing the newsgroups for the other source. And, it has to be transparent to "joe user". For myself, I have seperate .newsrc's on each machine - but joe user is limited to pine on one machine. My generic solution would be to have .newsrcmachine1 and .newsrcmachine2 linked to news.machine1 and news.machine2 - the question is, can it be done? Or, is there another way? Or, are we simply out of luck? -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 16:36:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02768; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:36:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09485; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:26:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09479; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:26:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqVH5-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 16:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: PINE help! Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:05:59 GMT Message-Id: <3kidcn$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> BCC= Blind Carbon Copy (Does not reveal the address to which the mail is sent) FCC= Folder for Carbon Copy (keeps a copy of the all the mail you send) In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented PLUONG@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu to pen: - what does these mean..... - Bcc ?? - Fcc ??? - what is the difference? thanks - please e-mail me -- -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ It is better to place a fence at the edge of a cliff......... .....than to have an ambulance waiting at the bottom. -Anon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 17:34:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03954; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:34:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10244; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:24:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10238; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:24:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqW5U-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 18 Mar 1995 14:31:40 -0600 Message-Id: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> In article , Peter da Silva wrote: >In article <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu>, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: >> I don't have any problems with what you suggest above. But, I think Pine >> already does that. I wonder if you ever used Pine yourself. > >For about a week, simply to see if it was any better than what I was using, >but that was quite some time ago. > >> But, when >> you hit R, Pine asks you if you want post a followup to the Usenet. >[...] > >This is fine except for one thing... it obviously doesn't say "you received >this message as private mail" in the same question. If it did, people would >not be so surprised to hear that the message they quoted to the net hadn't >been intended to be public. So, this is exactly equivalent to someone sending you some private email that accidentally includes some CC: headers, and then being surprised when you reply to all. If the original sender wants you to understand that he is sending a private message he should make sure that the headers don't contain extraneous CC:'s or Newsgroups: headers. >> Now, for the etiquette: there are some very hot groups. Sometimes, somebody >> gets very angry with what you have said there and sends you an email with >> threats and/or curses. In such a case, I don't think that it is a breach >> of netiquette to reply on the Usenet. > >In such a case it is a breach of netiquette to reply at all. Or at least it's >counterproductive. Not that it's any more productive, but you also see a fair amount of the same posted intentionally to Usenet, so you can't rely on the content to tip you off that a message was supposed to be private. Trn may be the usual culprit, since it includes the Newsgroups: header in a CC:'d mail copy of a posting as well as in private replies. The real message here is that anything you send electronically can appear *anywhere* and be kept for any length of time. If that bothers you, don't send it in the first place. In addition to the possibility of accidents in transmission, you are relying on the kindness of strangers as far as respecting your wishes for privacy goes. Not everyone agrees on the rules of etiquette, especially if something appears threatening or illegal. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 17:43:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04234; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:43:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10353; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:31:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10341; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:31:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqWE9-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:25 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: nntp derived NEWS -> "empty list" Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:42:36 GMT Message-Id: <3kij1s$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Empty List means you have _not_ subscribed to any newsgroups at all. Try subscribing to any newsgroup and then that error message will go. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented kersey black to pen: - I am just now trying to turn on the news capability of - Pine, and have done so by just providing the nntp - address. - On one machine, where pine has been running fine, this worked. - On another machine, where pine has been running fine, this - did not. - I get the message: - [ ** Empty List ** Select Here to Try Re-Expanding ] - when trying to list the news groups. - both machines are using the same server, both are running 3.91. - The debug file reads: - ---- FOLDER SCREEN ---- - IMAP 12:7 3/16 mm_log babble: news.claremont.edu InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1. - 4 20-Mar-93 ready (posting ok). - ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS -- Cheers.... -- Shrim@worf.ocis.temple.edu | Mac*Chat List Owner | http://monroe.temple.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 18:01:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04698; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:01:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20415; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:52:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20409; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:52:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqWZW-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch Control: cancel <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Subject: cmsg cancel <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Message-Id: <1736414D7ES86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 22:43:00 GMT message was canceled from NNR, FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 18:10:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04916; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:10:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10704; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:01:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10698; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:01:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqWgP-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 17:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: holdeman@cyberspace.com (Michael W Holdeman) Subject: Pine HP UX 9.0X port? Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:08:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3kd8a1$j3s@wage.cyberspace.com> I got pine 3.89 from CIS but was unable to compile it on my HP9000 running HP-UX 9.04. Has any body ported it to HPUX 9.XX yet. If so are there any executables or just source?? Mike 71501.2530@compuserve.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 18:56:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05872; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:56:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21061; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:46:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from titan.sfasu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21055; Sun, 19 Mar 95 18:46:30 -0800 Received: from TITAN.SFASU.EDU by TITAN.SFASU.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #7232) id <01HOC0NOWAFK0028OM@TITAN.SFASU.EDU>; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:44:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:44:28 -0600 (CST) From: PCS CONSULTING Subject: Unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <01HOC0NOXEXU0028OM@TITAN.SFASU.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT unsubscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 21:55:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09715; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:55:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13563; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:47:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13557; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:47:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqaFm-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: eliber1@umbc.edu (Elina L. Liberman) Subject: beginner's question Date: 20 Mar 1995 05:32:45 GMT Message-Id: <3kj41t$ous@news.umbc.edu> Hello :) Would you please tell me, if my INBOX folder is in READ ONLY mode, where can I change it? Thanx, Elina From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 21:55:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09717; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:55:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23246; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:47:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23239; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:47:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqaGZ-00038HC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: badwine@netcom.com (Ken Malvino) Subject: Re: updating distrib list Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 01:08:44 GMT Juanita Fischer (juanfisc@netcom.com) wrote: : Go into your address book with an a. ADd the names you want with the a : command. To create a list for the first time, use the s command. You : will be prompted for the list's full name, nickname, etc. Once the list : is created, you add to it with the z command. You must first cursor : to the list you want before typing the z command. Simply enter each : nickname, pressing enter after each one. When you're finished, simply : press enter and you will be back in your address book. If you're still : having trouble with your screen access, write to me privately and I'll : try to help you out. : Juanita I too am having a problem with undating my distribution list. I want to "take" an address and place it in a distribution list. Can this be done?? Email privately to badwine@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 22:10:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10040; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:10:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23440; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:02:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23432; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:02:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqaWS-00038HC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: calling PINE with a specific news group? Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:28:57 GMT Message-Id: <3kienp$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3kcgqp$loo@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Jim Gerland to pen: - What is the syntax (if it's possible) to invoke PINE and have it - go directly into a specific news group? - To get to a particular mail folder I can use: pine -f name-of-folder - but how would I do: pine -f name-of-news-group pine -f "*{netnews.server.address/nntp}comp.mail.pine" Replace netnews.server.address with the address of your newsserver (nntp-server) and also the specifc newsgroup name...and then.... Bingo! -- /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ o __|| Sriram, N CV shrim@astro.temple.edu ||__ o /| \ Comp. Svcs. - TU /\ http://monroe.temple.edu / |\ | \_ `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' _/ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 22:22:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10279; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:22:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13754; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:02:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13748; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:02:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqaTt-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 21:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw (Ming-Yen Hsu) Subject: New Feature: Pine for 8 bit environment. Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:36:00 GMT Message-Id: <3kif50$q77@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw> Hi, following patch added two new features for Pine which can be set from Setup in Pine and controlled from pinerc. * enable-send-only-8bit Send out 8 bit character with 8BIT content-transfer-encoding instead of QP or BASE64. * enable-8bit-in-subject Allow 8 bit editing in Subject field. These two features should be useful if you and recipient are both using 8 bit clean MTAs, and the MUA is not MIME capable. Disable these features if you find there were MTAs which will strip message into 7 bit. Hope this help before Pine 3.92 comes to real. :-) PS: The patch is also available by a email to myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw with "Retrieve pine-for-8bit" in the Subject field. ------cut here--------------------------------------------------------- diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile Tue Oct 11 07:13:22 1994 --- ./imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:17 1995 *************** *** 193,199 **** sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 --- 193,199 ---- sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-O2 -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/imapd/Makefile ./imap/ANSI/imapd/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/imapd/Makefile Tue Oct 12 13:29:19 1993 --- ./imap/ANSI/imapd/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:17 1995 *************** *** 36,42 **** # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` imapd: $(CCLIENTLIB) imapd.o --- 36,42 ---- # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` -O2 LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` imapd: $(CCLIENTLIB) imapd.o diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/ipopd/Makefile ./imap/ANSI/ipopd/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/ANSI/ipopd/Makefile Tue Oct 12 13:32:58 1993 --- ./imap/ANSI/ipopd/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:18 1995 *************** *** 36,42 **** # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` ipopd: ipop2d ipop3d --- 36,42 ---- # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` -O2 LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` ipopd: ipop2d ipop3d diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile Tue Oct 11 07:13:22 1994 --- ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:18 1995 *************** *** 193,199 **** sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 --- 193,199 ---- sun: # SUN-OS $(MAKE) mtest OS=$@ EXTRADRIVERS="$(EXTRADRIVERS)" \ STDPROTO=bezerkproto \ ! CFLAGS="-O2 -Dconst= $(EXTRACFLAGS)" \ LDFLAGS="-ldl" sv2: # SVR2 diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Fri Oct 7 06:46:32 1994 --- ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/bezerk.c Mon Mar 20 03:06:18 1995 *************** *** 1644,1657 **** i = (sod + i) - s; /* total number of tries */ do { /* fast search for newline */ if ((0x80808080 & (0x01010101 + (0x7f7f7f7f & ~(m ^ *(Word *) s)))) && ! (s1 = ((s[3] == '\n') ? (s + 4) : ! ((s[2] == '\n') ? (s + 3) : ! ((s[1] == '\n') ? (s + 2) : ! ((s[0] == '\n') ? (s + 1) : NIL)))))) { ! VALID (s1,t,ti,zn); /* interesting word, check it closer */ if (ti) return s1; } ! else s += 4; /* try next word */ i -= 4; /* count a word checked */ } while (i > 24); /* continue until end of plausible string */ } --- 1644,1657 ---- i = (sod + i) - s; /* total number of tries */ do { /* fast search for newline */ if ((0x80808080 & (0x01010101 + (0x7f7f7f7f & ~(m ^ *(Word *) s)))) && ! /* find rightmost newline in word */ ! ((*(s1 = s + 3) == '\n') || (*--s1 == '\n') || ! (*--s1 == '\n') || (*--s1 == '\n'))) { ! s1++; /* skip past newline */ ! VALID (s1,t,ti,zn); /* see if valid From line */ if (ti) return s1; } ! s += 4; /* try next word */ i -= 4; /* count a word checked */ } while (i > 24); /* continue until end of plausible string */ } diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/pop3.c ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/pop3.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/c-client/pop3.c Mon Oct 10 09:01:54 1994 --- ./imap/non-ANSI/c-client/pop3.c Mon Mar 20 03:06:19 1995 *************** *** 363,370 **** LOCAL->buf = (char *) fs_get ((LOCAL->buflen = MAXMESSAGESIZE) + 1); nmsgs = strtol (LOCAL->reply,NIL,10); /* create caches */ ! LOCAL->header = (char **) fs_get (i * sizeof (char *)); ! LOCAL->body = (char **) fs_get (i * sizeof (char *)); for (i = 0; i < nmsgs;) { /* initialize caches */ LOCAL->header[i] = LOCAL->body[i] = NIL; /* instantiate elt */ --- 363,370 ---- LOCAL->buf = (char *) fs_get ((LOCAL->buflen = MAXMESSAGESIZE) + 1); nmsgs = strtol (LOCAL->reply,NIL,10); /* create caches */ ! LOCAL->header = (char **) fs_get (nmsgs * sizeof (char *)); ! LOCAL->body = (char **) fs_get (nmsgs * sizeof (char *)); for (i = 0; i < nmsgs;) { /* initialize caches */ LOCAL->header[i] = LOCAL->body[i] = NIL; /* instantiate elt */ diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/imapd/Makefile ./imap/non-ANSI/imapd/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/imapd/Makefile Tue Oct 12 13:29:19 1993 --- ./imap/non-ANSI/imapd/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:19 1995 *************** *** 36,42 **** # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` imapd: $(CCLIENTLIB) imapd.o --- 36,42 ---- # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` -O2 LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` imapd: $(CCLIENTLIB) imapd.o diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/ipopd/Makefile ./imap/non-ANSI/ipopd/Makefile *** ../pine3.91.orig/imap/non-ANSI/ipopd/Makefile Tue Oct 12 13:32:58 1993 --- ./imap/non-ANSI/ipopd/Makefile Mon Mar 20 03:06:19 1995 *************** *** 36,42 **** # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` ipopd: ipop2d ipop3d --- 36,42 ---- # Get local CFLAGS and LFLAGS definitions from c-client directory ! CFLAGS = -I$C `cat $C/CFLAGS` -O2 LDFLAGS = $(CCLIENTLIB) `cat $C/LDFLAGS` ipopd: ipop2d ipop3d diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pico/composer.c ./pico/composer.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/pico/composer.c Fri Sep 30 06:29:19 1994 --- ./pico/composer.c Mon Mar 20 03:30:40 1995 *************** *** 144,149 **** --- 144,152 ---- struct on_display ods; /* global on_display struct */ + /* enable-8bit-in-subject feature*/ + int ext_char_in_subject = 0; + /* * useful macros */ *************** *** 981,988 **** } } ! ! if(ch > 0x1f && ch < 0x7f){ /* char input */ /* * if we are allowing editing, insert the new char * end up leaving tbufp pointing to newly --- 984,997 ---- } } ! ! if(ch > 0x1f && ( ! (ch < 0xff && (ch != 0x7f) && (ext_char_in_subject)) | ( ! (ch < 0x7f && (!ext_char_in_subject)) ! ))) ! { ! ! /* char input */ /* * if we are allowing editing, insert the new char * end up leaving tbufp pointing to newly diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pico/makefile.lnx ./pico/makefile.lnx *** ../pine3.91.orig/pico/makefile.lnx Wed Oct 12 05:57:36 1994 --- ./pico/makefile.lnx Mon Mar 20 03:06:20 1995 *************** *** 40,48 **** # #includes symbol for debugging ! DASHO= -g #for normal build ! #DASHO= -O2 CFLAGS= -Dbsd -DLINUX -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL --- 40,48 ---- # #includes symbol for debugging ! #DASHO= -g #for normal build ! DASHO= -O2 CFLAGS= -Dbsd -DLINUX -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pico/makefile.sun ./pico/makefile.sun *** ../pine3.91.orig/pico/makefile.sun Sat Feb 26 02:37:22 1994 --- ./pico/makefile.sun Mon Mar 20 03:06:20 1995 *************** *** 40,48 **** # #includes symbol info for debugging ! DASHO= -g #for normal build ! #DASHO= -O CFLAGS= -Dsun -DJOB_CONTROL -ldl --- 40,48 ---- # #includes symbol info for debugging ! #DASHO= -g #for normal build ! DASHO= -O2 CFLAGS= -Dsun -DJOB_CONTROL -ldl diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/init.c ./pine/init.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/init.c Tue Oct 11 05:34:29 1994 --- ./pine/init.c Mon Mar 20 03:15:01 1995 *************** *** 864,874 **** --- 864,876 ---- {"enable-alternate-editor-cmd", F_ENABLE_ALT_ED}, {"enable-alternate-editor-implicitly", F_ALT_ED_NOW}, {"enable-bounce-cmd", F_ENABLE_BOUNCE}, + {"enable-8bit-in-subject", F_8BIT_IN_SUBJECT}, {"enable-flag-cmd", F_ENABLE_FLAG}, {"enable-full-header-cmd", F_ENABLE_FULL_HDR}, {"enable-incoming-folders", F_ENABLE_INCOMING}, {"enable-jump-shortcut", F_ENABLE_JUMP}, {"enable-mail-check-cue", F_SHOW_DELAY_CUE}, + {"enable-send-only-8bit", F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT}, {"enable-suspend", F_CAN_SUSPEND}, {"enable-tab-completion", F_ENABLE_TAB_COMPLETE}, {"enable-unix-pipe-cmd", F_ENABLE_PIPE}, *************** *** 2089,2100 **** } /*--- Var is not user controlled, leave it alone for back compat ---*/ ! if(!v->is_user){ ! if(which_vars == ParseLocal){ pline->is_var = 0; pline->line = cpystr(line); pline++; - } continue; } --- 2091,2100 ---- } /*--- Var is not user controlled, leave it alone for back compat ---*/ ! if(!v->is_user && which_vars == ParseLocal){ pline->is_var = 0; pline->line = cpystr(line); pline++; continue; } diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/makefile.lnx ./pine/makefile.lnx *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/makefile.lnx Wed Oct 12 06:24:30 1994 --- ./pine/makefile.lnx Mon Mar 20 03:06:21 1995 *************** *** 57,65 **** RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= # -O2 PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico --- 57,65 ---- RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= -O2 PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= # -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/makefile.sun ./pine/makefile.sun *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/makefile.sun Wed Oct 5 14:14:51 1994 --- ./pine/makefile.sun Mon Mar 20 03:06:21 1995 *************** *** 57,65 **** RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= # -O PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= -g -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico --- 57,65 ---- RM= rm -f LN= ln -s MAKE= make ! OPTIMIZE= -O2 PROFILE= # -pg ! DEBUG= # -g -DDEBUG IMAPDIR= ../c-client PICODIR= ../pico diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/osdep/os-sun.h ./pine/osdep/os-sun.h *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/osdep/os-sun.h Tue Oct 11 06:30:00 1994 --- ./pine/osdep/os-sun.h Mon Mar 20 03:06:21 1995 *************** *** 146,152 **** #define POSTPONED_MAIL "postponed-mail" #define POSTPONED_MSGS "postponed-msgs" #define INTERRUPTED_MAIL ".pine-interrupted-mail" ! #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "mail" #define INBOX_NAME "INBOX" #define DF_SIGNATURE_FILE ".signature" #define DF_ELM_STYLE_SAVE "no" --- 146,152 ---- #define POSTPONED_MAIL "postponed-mail" #define POSTPONED_MSGS "postponed-msgs" #define INTERRUPTED_MAIL ".pine-interrupted-mail" ! #define DF_MAIL_DIRECTORY "Mail" #define INBOX_NAME "INBOX" #define DF_SIGNATURE_FILE ".signature" #define DF_ELM_STYLE_SAVE "no" diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/other.c ./pine/other.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/other.c Sat Oct 8 08:29:44 1994 --- ./pine/other.c Mon Mar 20 03:48:44 1995 *************** *** 1089,1094 **** --- 1089,1098 ---- return(h_config_compose_rejects_unqual); case F_FAKE_NEW_IN_NEWS: return(h_config_news_uses_recent); + case F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT: + return(h_config_send_only_8bit); + case F_8BIT_IN_SUBJECT: + return(h_config_ext_char_in_subject); default : return(NO_HELP); } diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/pine.h ./pine/pine.h *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/pine.h Sat Oct 8 08:25:55 1994 --- ./pine/pine.h Mon Mar 20 03:32:58 1995 *************** *** 600,606 **** #define F_PRESERVE_START_STOP 40 #define F_COMPOSE_REJECTS_UNQUAL 41 #define F_FAKE_NEW_IN_NEWS 42 ! #define F_LAST_FEATURE 42 /* RESET WITH NEW FEATURES */ #if (F_LAST_FEATURE > (LARGEST_BITMAP - 1)) Whoa! Too many features! --- 600,608 ---- #define F_PRESERVE_START_STOP 40 #define F_COMPOSE_REJECTS_UNQUAL 41 #define F_FAKE_NEW_IN_NEWS 42 ! #define F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT 43 ! #define F_8BIT_IN_SUBJECT 44 ! #define F_LAST_FEATURE 44 /* RESET WITH NEW FEATURES */ #if (F_LAST_FEATURE > (LARGEST_BITMAP - 1)) Whoa! Too many features! diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/pine.hlp ./pine/pine.hlp *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/pine.hlp Tue Oct 11 09:47:48 1994 --- ./pine/pine.hlp Mon Mar 20 05:08:01 1995 *************** *** 3560,3565 **** --- 3560,3588 ---- useful if you have accounts on multiple computers. + ====== h_config_send_only_8bit ===== + FEATURE: enable-send-only-8bit + + This feature changes the original content-transfer-encoding scheme. If + set, Pine will use 8BIT instead of encoding 8 bit character into BASE64 + or QUOTEQUOTED-PRINTABLE in mail body. (See also \"enable-8bit-in- + subject\".) + + NOTE: This feature should only be set if you can make sure both the + sender and recipient are using 8 bit capable MTAs. + + + ====== h_config_ext_char_in_subject + FEATURE: enable-8bit-in-subject + + This feature enables 8 bit ascii character editing in Subject field. + By default, subject field accepts 7 bit character only. (See also + \"enable-send-only-8bit\".) + + NOTE: This feature should only be set if you can make sure both the + sender and recipient are using 8 bit capable MTAs. + + ====== h_config_attach_in_reply ====== FEATURE: include-attachments-in-reply diff -r -c ../pine3.91.orig/pine/send.c ./pine/send.c *** ../pine3.91.orig/pine/send.c Tue Oct 11 04:01:34 1994 --- ./pine/send.c Mon Mar 20 03:31:52 1995 *************** *** 159,164 **** --- 159,167 ---- int open_fcc(); #endif /* ANSI */ + /* enable-8bit-in-subject feature */ + extern ext_char_in_subject; + /* * Buffer to hold pointers into pine data that's needed by pico. *************** *** 166,172 **** */ static PICO pbuf; - /* * Storage object where the FCC is to be written. * This is amazingly bogus. Much work was done to put messages --- 169,174 ---- *************** *** 1755,1760 **** --- 1757,1769 ---- clear_cursor_pos(); dprint(1, (debugfile, "\n ---- COMPOSER ----\n")); + + /* enable extended ascii char feature */ + if (F_ON(F_8BIT_IN_SUBJECT, ps_global)) + ext_char_in_subject = 1; + else + ext_char_in_subject = 0; + editor_result = pico(&pbuf); dprint(4, (debugfile, "... composer returns (0x%x)\n", editor_result)); *************** *** 3395,3401 **** body->type = TYPETEXT; if (new_encoding == ENCOTHER) ! new_encoding = ENC7BIT; /* short lines, no 8 bit */ } else if ((eight_bit_chars * 100L)/len < 30L) { /* --- 3404,3414 ---- body->type = TYPETEXT; if (new_encoding == ENCOTHER) ! if (F_ON(F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT, ps_global)) ! new_encoding = ENC8BIT; ! else ! new_encoding = ENC7BIT; /* short lines, no 8 bit */ ! } else if ((eight_bit_chars * 100L)/len < 30L) { /* *************** *** 3421,3427 **** * unlikely to be readable with > 30% of the * text encoded anyway, so we might as well save space... */ ! new_encoding = ENCBINARY; /* > 30% 8 bit chars */ } } --- 3434,3445 ---- * unlikely to be readable with > 30% of the * text encoded anyway, so we might as well save space... */ ! ! if (F_ON(F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT, ps_global)) ! new_encoding = ENC8BIT; ! else ! new_encoding = ENCBINARY; /* > 30% 8 bit chars */ ! } } *************** *** 3942,3948 **** switch (body->encoding) { /* all else needs filtering */ case ENC8BIT: /* encode 8BIT into QUOTED-PRINTABLE */ ! gf_link_filter(gf_8bit_qp); break; case ENCBINARY: /* encode binary into BASE64 */ --- 3960,3967 ---- switch (body->encoding) { /* all else needs filtering */ case ENC8BIT: /* encode 8BIT into QUOTED-PRINTABLE */ ! if (F_OFF(F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT, ps_global)) ! gf_link_filter(gf_8bit_qp); break; case ENCBINARY: /* encode binary into BASE64 */ *************** *** 3998,4004 **** if (body->encoding) /* note: encoding 7BIT never output! */ sprintf (*dst += strlen (*dst),"Content-Transfer-Encoding: %s\015\012", body_encodings[body->encoding == ENCBINARY ? ENCBASE64 : ! body->encoding == ENC8BIT ? ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE : body->encoding <= ENCMAX ? body->encoding : ENCOTHER]); if (body->id) sprintf (*dst += strlen (*dst),"Content-ID: %s\015\012", --- 4017,4025 ---- if (body->encoding) /* note: encoding 7BIT never output! */ sprintf (*dst += strlen (*dst),"Content-Transfer-Encoding: %s\015\012", body_encodings[body->encoding == ENCBINARY ? ENCBASE64 : ! body->encoding == ENC8BIT ? ! F_ON(F_SEND_ONLY_8BIT, ps_global) ? ENC8BIT : ! ENCQUOTEDPRINTABLE : body->encoding <= ENCMAX ? body->encoding : ENCOTHER]); if (body->id) sprintf (*dst += strlen (*dst),"Content-ID: %s\015\012", --------end here--------------------------------------------------- -- _____ _____ _____ ____ _____ | \| _ \ Ming-Yen Hsu, Database Lab. NCU Taiwan ROC | \/ \| | | | | | _ < Computer Science & Information Engineering | | | <--<| | | |_____/|_____/ Electronic Mail : myhsu@db.csie.ncu.edu.tw |__|__/\____/\_____| From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 22:33:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10524; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:33:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14008; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:22:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14002; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:22:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqanm-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ib bates Subject: imap timer Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:54:31 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the imap daemon, for pine, seems to have a 30 min inactivity timer. when using windows pine & timed out, the window becomes locked on the pc, which is very annoying. any suggestions, other than dumping windows? thanks, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 22:48:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10834; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:48:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23939; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:42:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23933; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:42:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqb9h-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: to define local usenet spool files to pine Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:00:21 GMT Message-Id: <3kigil$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> If it is on the localhost, why not tell Pine to open it as a mailfolder, giving it the path. You can create folder-collections to make this appear more aesthetic. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented fuzzy@asarian.org to pen: - my usual way to get news is via nntp to my providers news server. in - addition I've setup local usenet for a handfull of news groups. to - workaround the the fact the news item numbers are different for the local - spool version, I chnaged the tin program to look for .lnwsrc as its - subscription file (instead of .newsrc). I dont know if pine uses that file - to determine what articles to display as unread. I called the new tin ltin - vs tin which is really rtin (nntp). - what do I need to put into the pine.conf file to have pine see the local - news spool as a news source (/usr/spool/news/...)? And can it be told to - look for .lnwsrc vs .newsrc so both the remote and local servers will - continue to work correctly. - fuzzy - sysadmin, asarian.org -- -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ It is better to place a fence at the edge of a cliff......... .....than to have an ambulance waiting at the bottom. -Anon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 22:51:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10995; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:51:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14260; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:42:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14254; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:42:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqb9w-00038DC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: Pine w/password Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:09:42 GMT Message-Id: <3kih46$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Brian K. Curley (Master of Time & Space) to pen: - Anyone know how I would check mail via pine on a server that required a - password at logon? If the server is running an 'imap' daemon, then you can use Pine as a MUA to read your incoming-mail of that server. pine -f "{mail.server.address/imap}INBOX" Replcae mail.server.address with the address of the mailserver that you are trying to read mail from. This will prompt you for your userid and passwd on that mail-server and once you key that in, you are all set. Oh! BTW is there any mail-server out there that don't require a passwd? :) -- /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ o __|| Sriram, N CV shrim@astro.temple.edu ||__ o /| \ Comp. Svcs. - TU /\ http://monroe.temple.edu / |\ | \_ `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' _/ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 23:07:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11338; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:07:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24111; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:56:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24105; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:56:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqbNd-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: Pine Bug Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:16:58 GMT Message-Id: <3kihhq$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> If you need to Add an address to an existing list, you will have to go into List Take Mode rather than Single Take Mode. Use the Apply-Take method to go into List mode after selecting the mail with the ";" command. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Matt Simmons to pen: - When 'T'aking a name from the inbox, and attempting to add it to a - distribution list (I tried with an empty list and a non-empty list), Pine - gives an "Error updating addressbook: Pine Bug" message. - It asked me if I wanted to replace the list with the address taken from the - inbox. Ideally, IMHO, Pine should either automatically add the name to the - list, or present an option to do so. The error occurred after I indicated - that Pine was to replace the list with the new name, and I accepted the - default values for the ensuing prompts. The message appeared at the point - where Pine usually adds the name to the addressbook and writes it out to - disk. - Sorry if this bug has been reported before -- I've been less than religious - in reading the mailing list. - Matt Simmons -- Purdue University -- West Hell, Indiana - Purdue Ski Team - Purdue Ski Club - Lambda Chi Alpha - simmonmt@cs.purdue.edu -- -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ It is better to place a fence at the edge of a cliff......... .....than to have an ambulance waiting at the bottom. -Anon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 23:22:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11625; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:22:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14549; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:06:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14543; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:06:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqbV5-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: Remote IMAP, Passwords Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:29:51 GMT Message-Id: <3kii9v$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> You need to key in your ISP account's login passwd in order to download mail from that account via 'imap'. Do you mean by "set the password" be able to change the passwd on the ISP account while accessing that account via imap from Pine. In that case the answer is 'no'. Atelast not at the moment... Pine's change passwd feature belongs only to localhost not remote. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented barry@telerama.lm.com to pen: - I'd like to use pine on a computer system at work to access mail - received at my personal account at a local ISP. I use Eudora from - my Mac at home to retrieve mail from the IMAP server at the ISP, so - I'm sure the ISP end is OK. - I think I have .pinerc configured to access that IMAP server at my - ISP. I think my problem is that I'm unable to set the password I need - to access the remote IMAP server. When I try to use the pine new - password command, pine asks me for the old password. I haven't the - foggiest idea what the password value is! The only password that - matters at Transarc is the Kerberos password, but I doubt that this is - what is being checked by pine. I haven't used the UNIX 'passwd' - command in years. In any case, I don't want to use the same password - at work and at the ISP. - So, where does pine look for the password? How do I set it if I can't - provide the old value? The /etc/passwd entry on the system where I - ran pine has "!", which probably means look somewhere else. - Thanks, - Barry Wolman - barry@telerama.lm.com - barry@transarc.com - -- - Barry Wolman - Pittsburgh, PA -- -- /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ o __|| Sriram, N CV shrim@astro.temple.edu ||__ o /| \ Comp. Svcs. - TU /\ http://monroe.temple.edu / |\ | \_ `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' _/ | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 19 23:32:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11828; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:32:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24364; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:16:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24358; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:16:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqbgT-00038CC; Sun, 19 Mar 95 23:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: Automatic Placement of Mail in Folders Date: 20 Mar 1995 00:36:19 GMT Message-Id: <3kiim3$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> It also tells you that Pine doesn't do that and you need external mail delivery agents like procmail, filter, deliver etc in order to be able to file incoming mail into folders automatically. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Craig Werner to pen: - Hello, everyone. - Somewhere in pine's documentation, I read that one could customize - pine's behavior so that it could automatically place email in a particular - folder based on that letter's address. Can someone please direct me - to the section of the docs that discusses that feature? - Thanks for all help. - Craig Werner -- Cheers.... -- Shrim@worf.ocis.temple.edu | Mac*Chat List Owner | http://monroe.temple.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 00:51:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13536; Mon, 20 Mar 95 00:51:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15717; Mon, 20 Mar 95 00:41:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15711; Mon, 20 Mar 95 00:41:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqcxJ-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 00:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: check for new mail in mult. folders Date: 20 Mar 1995 01:15:56 GMT Message-Id: <3kil0c$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented eholst@rain.org to pen: - I have been using procmail to filter my incoming mail into - different inbox folders in pine. Everything works fine, - except, I can't tell if I have new mail in these folders. Pine at the moment doesn't check for new mail other than INBOX. - When I use frm or nfrm from the elm package, they - erroneously report that I have read mail in these folders - when there is new/unread mail in them. nfrm -s new $HOME/mail/mailfolderthatneedstobecheckedfornewmail You can also use unread instead of new in the above command. -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ CAUTION: Contents extremely boring, could cause drowsiness. Avoid reading after a full meal or before operating heavy machinery. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 01:31:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14719; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:31:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26011; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:23:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26005; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:23:53 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:12:19 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id UAA08316; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:43:26 GMT Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:43:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: Donna Vanderzalm Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups In-Reply-To: <3kccl2$n8h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sure, you can delete the ".newsrc" file; this will unsubsvribe you from all the newsgroups in one go. When you use Pine to (A)dd a newsgroup (subscribe to it) the ".newsrc" file will get recreated containing just that/those newsgroups. Some newsreaders automatically check for new newsgroups as they start up. Pine does not do that at present (it may one day; anyone care to comment?). Until then you either have to skim doen the whole list looking for anything new (not really practicable), or else use some other utility. For example I've knocked up a little Perl script we'll be using here to check for new newsgroups. I've also heard of something called "choosenews", but don't know anything else about it. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On 17 Mar 1995, Donna Vanderzalm wrote: > pmb1@tmphost.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell) wrote: > > > Anyway, the easiest way to unsubscribe from *everything* is to delete the > > file called ".newsrc" in your login directory (I'm assuming you're using > > a UNIX system). > > Yes, I am using a UNIX system, but is it OK to outright DELETE the file? > Is the file not required to have access to newsgroups? Is the file then > re-created? I know, lots of questions...i'm a curious George. > > Here's one more question, how do I ensure that I have access to NEW > newsgroups each day (or however often...)? Are they added to my .newsrc > file? If so, how? Any answers to these questions would be much appreciated > as I'm trying to learn everything I can during my short stay on earth. > > Thanx > Donna > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 02:11:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15588; Mon, 20 Mar 95 02:11:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26370; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:51:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26364; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:51:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqe5f-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 01:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: bug Date: 20 Mar 1995 02:37:58 GMT Message-Id: <3kipq6$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> While this response may not come intime for you, however you can use this in future if you come across this problem. The reason why Pine prompts you first and then says No msgs postponed really is due to the existence a file in your $HOME called ".pine-interrupted" Just get rid of that file, by "rm" ing it and then go into Pine. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Renee Faulk to pen: - to whom it may concern, - i postponed a message fifteen minutes ago and the computer asks if i want - to continue the interuppted message and when i say yes it says that i - dont really have a message saved. this document is an academic paper - that is due tommorow--can somebody please help me. -- -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ This was brought to you by Soceity for Highly Risky IntelInside Machines. To reach them send e-mail to SHRIM@astro.temple.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 03:18:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17188; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:18:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17557; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:06:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17551; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:06:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqfFN-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: Maybe a solution? Re: Mailed Replies/News Articles Date: 20 Mar 1995 02:09:07 GMT Message-Id: <3kio43$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Rahul Dhesi to pen: - weitzman@individual.com (Adam J Weitzman) writes: - >and frankly I'm sick of it - >eating up so much space in my mailbox. - ^^^^^^^ - Hmmmmm.....wonder whose side he's on... - >Make posting news a completely different keystroke... - Ah! He's on our side. What's this our side your side thing? Pine's thus far the best thing to happen to Unix as far as making it user friendly is concerned....I learnt (still learning) it the hard way....and sometimes feel envious about all these new kids who have access to Pine to do their mail reading business from the very start. Agreed there's way a user who has absolutely _no clue_ can inadvertantly post an e-mail to the usenet even after being repeatedly warned before letting him to do it. But the point is who are you trying to save? There are lotsa junky postings already floating on the usenet. I'm not even talking about AOL users... people who flame and post personal messages and then flame that on the net and all that....private e-mail getting onto the net is nothing new, this not by mistake but well intended...and even if it isin't a personal mail, then they would spoof mail such a way that the origin is from a particular user and then quote it.....so it is _NO_ big deal. You guys should give the wonderful Pine Team a respite and let them concentrate on developing Pine more and more and stop this nuisance. Have an extremely enjoyable Sunday night! -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ It is better to place a fence at the edge of a cliff......... .....than to have an ambulance waiting at the bottom. -Anon PS: None of these reflect the views of my employers are anyone else.... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 03:51:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18131; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:51:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27690; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:41:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27684; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:41:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqfnh-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shrim@temple.edu (The Shrim Dude!) Subject: Re: SMTP connection ? Date: 20 Mar 1995 02:26:19 GMT Message-Id: <3kip4b$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Are you telling it to use 'nntp' or 'smtp' protocol to use? Since you are running Sendmail as MTA you don't need to specify anything for the smtp-server. Do this at the prompt and see if it works... pine -f "*{your.nttp.server.adrs/nntp}comp.mail.pine" In the above just replace your nntp-server's address. In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Cynthia Guy to pen: - We have just installed Pine 3.91 on our network and we are trying to setup - the news option. I have our nntp-server correct and since we are using - Unix, we should not have to define the smtp-server. We are using sendmail - though. When I bring up the folder list, the news-collection is there. - When I select one of the news groups, Pine tells me it is trying to open the - news group and then I receive [421 SMTP connection went away]. What does - this mean? Is there a error manual or something for Pine? Any help is - greatly appreciated. - Thanks! - -- - Cynthia Guy, Network Analyst Garcia Consulting, Inc. - PTO: (703) 308-6873 PTO FAX: (703)308-6879 GCI: (703) 418-0805 - On site at uspto.gov standard disclaimers apply -- -- .---. , , \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' __________________________________________________________________________ This was brought to you by Society for Highly Risky Intel-Inside Machines. To reach them send e-mail to SHRIM@astro.temple.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 04:04:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18477; Mon, 20 Mar 95 04:04:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18122; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:56:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18116; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:56:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqg0H-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrisa@netcom.com (Alan Morris) Control: cancel Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 07:22:38 GMT Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 04:05:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18863; Mon, 20 Mar 95 04:05:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27834; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:56:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27828; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:56:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqg1G-00038DC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 03:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: morrisa@netcom.com (Alan Morris) Control: cancel Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 07:23:24 GMT Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 04:21:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19324; Mon, 20 Mar 95 04:21:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18566; Mon, 20 Mar 95 04:14:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18560; Mon, 20 Mar 95 04:14:32 -0800 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (root@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:14:31 -0500 Received: from lab19.cs.purdue.edu (simmonmt@lab19.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.119]) by lab19.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:14:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:14:28 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Simmons To: The Shrim Dude! Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine Bug In-Reply-To: <3kihhq$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Mar 1995, The Shrim Dude! wrote: > If you need to Add an address to an existing list, you will have to go into > List Take Mode rather than Single Take Mode. Use the Apply-Take method to > go into List mode after selecting the mail with the ";" command. > [ 9 line sig deleted ] I shouldn't have to. It should check to see if a list already exists under the name I give it. If the list does exist, the name should be added (optionally, a prompt could be given to overwrite the list). Actually, it's broken whichever way you look at it: as it is, it asks you if you want to overwrite the existing list, you say yes, it bombs out during the addressbook write sequence with a "Pine Bug" error. Matt Simmons -- Purdue University -- West Hell, Indiana Purdue Ski Team - Purdue Ski Club - Lambda Chi Alpha simmonmt@cs.purdue.edu http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/simmonmt/index2.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 07:36:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24298; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:36:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21160; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:21:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21120; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:20:57 -0800 Received: by bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29060; Mon, 20 Mar 95 10:20:36 EST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:20:36 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent Subject: Gif viewer To: Pineinfo Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Procomm2 for Windows which also offer a Gif viewer application. Can I use this Viewer in my .Pinerc configuration file by adding image-viewer=c:\comm\prowin2\pwviewer.exe and see the weather maps available in some gophers? If not, what can I do to get them? Thank you Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 07:37:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24355; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:37:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21180; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:22:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21174; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:22:14 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqjDU-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 07:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: philip@netcom.com (Carlisle Kim) Subject: Re: Pine w/password Message-Id: References: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 05:13:28 GMT Brian K. Curley (Master of Time & Space) (bkc@axle.adp.wisc.edu) wrote: : Anyone know how I would check mail via pine on a server that required a : password at logon? Urr ... yes. Type the password at the logon prompt. There you go! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 11:28:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05064; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:28:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26571; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:22:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26565; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:22:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqmy4-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 20 Mar 1995 09:42:04 GMT Message-Id: <3kjilc$btg@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <6gq52c1w165w@ps2.xs4all.nl> In article <6gq52c1w165w@ps2.xs4all.nl>, Chris Jacobs wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: > >> Considering that message-ids are generated by the system when a message >> is sent, it is impossible for a mail references header to contain the >> ids of messages that aren't older than the mail the header is in. > >Suppose I mail a text to a moderator to be posted in a newsgroup. I send >someone a cc: The someone replies me and the reply contains a reference. To the mail you already generated. The mail you sent predated the reply. The reply does not contain a reference to a message that didn't exit. >Thereafter the moderator posts my email as news but does not generate a >new msgid, instead he reuses the msgid of my email for the news. This is marginally RFC-compliant. >I would say that then the reference refers to all copies of that text, >the news copies as well as the email copies. Nevertheless the news was >posted only after the reference. But it was created before the reference. No, if you are going to create an example of mail which references mail not yet in existance, then you will have to assume that someone is going to the effort of creating their own message id's, and that they are saying "this mail references another piece of mail I haven't written yet, but will assign id X to when I do." When you do that, I will tell you that news will happily accept the same situation. In other words, if I want to create my own ID's, I can post news that refers to an article I haven't written yet. In fact, both news and mail will function quite well if I forget to write the message I predicted I would. News leaves a gap in the thread, which is no different than what happens when followups arrive after the original. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 11:30:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05145; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:30:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06793; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:17:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06787; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:17:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqmu5-00038CC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ramon J. Hontanon" Subject: Re: moving multiple messages to folders Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:01:54 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 9 Mar 1995, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: [stuff deleted...] > - having the "Save" command prompt you with a default folder name which > is not "saved-messages" but the name of the LAST folder used (so one > just presses return to save to it) This option is present already, at least in version 3.91: # Determines default folder name for Saves... # Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used. # Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC). saved-msg-name-rule=last-folder-used -- ramon _____________________________________________________________ Ramon J. Hontanon 13100 Worldgate Dr. Template Software Herndon, VA 22070 ramon@template.com (703) 318 1000 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 11:38:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05517; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:38:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06737; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:16:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06731; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:16:24 -0800 Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04487; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:15:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Mike Brudenell Cc: Donna Vanderzalm , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Some newsreaders automatically check for new newsgroups as they start > up. Pine does not do that at present (it may one day; anyone care to > comment?). This is IMHO, so take it with the usual rock of salt. Your mileage may vary. Void were restricted or prohibited. The problem with the old rn-style behavior is that while it was fine when there were only a few hundred newsgroups, it simply does not scale to today's reality of thousands of newsgroups, with daily additions or deletions which may number in the hundreds. rn was terribly annoying when it forced me to answer hundreds of questions about did I want to subscribe to such-and-such a newsgroup at startup. And the only correct answer was "yes", then "unsubscribe", since answering no would only cause it to ask me about it again the next time I ran rn! Then came the torture of having it remove newsgroups that were deleted (e.g. class-based newsgroups). The behavior of making you identify the newsgroups you want to see, as opposed to making you identify the newsgroups you *don't* want to see, was at least in part based upon a reaction to rn's behavior. Similarly, non-existant newsgroups in .newsrc are ignored, instead of provoking error messages, again for the same reason. Also, there were some technical considerations which led to the current behavior. Then again, I only read about 20 or so newsgroups, and generally never read a newsgroup unless I've been referred to it. People who want to read every single newsgroup may feel differently. -- Mark -- DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot FAX: (206) 685-4045 ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39" (est.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 14:25:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13827; Mon, 20 Mar 95 14:25:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10930; Mon, 20 Mar 95 14:18:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10924; Mon, 20 Mar 95 14:18:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20152; Mon, 20 Mar 95 14:18:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: updating distrib list In-Reply-To: <3kic2h$php@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the next version of pine this will be fixed so that the method doesn't depend on how many addresses in the message. You'll always be able to use method 2. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 19 Mar 1995, The Shrim Dude! wrote: > In comp.mail.pine, some queer sunspot activity fomented Ken Malvino to pen: > > - I too am having a problem with undating my distribution list. I want to > - "take" an address and place it in a distribution list. Can this be done?? > > Yes and the method depends on the mail that you want to Take Addre from. > If that mail has only one address, then choose method 1, if it has another > address either in Cc: or Reply-To use method 2. > > Method -1: > First enable aggregate command set option, then hit ";" to select the current > mail whose address you want to Take, then hit A for apply, T to take address > and then follow Method -2. > > Method -2: > Highlight the mail whose address you want to Take to an existing distribution > list, then hit T. It will take you into List Take Mode. Select the address that > you want and then T to take again and type in the nickname of the existing list > and then A to add to the list. > > -- > .---. , , > \___ ("\''/").___..--''"`-._ > \ `9_ 9 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) > `___/riram NCV (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' > Computer Svcs _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' . > Temple Univ. (il).-'' ((i).' ((!.-' > __________________________________________________________________________ > "If your not the lead dog. . . > the view never changes . . . - R.L." > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 17:18:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23406; Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:18:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05532; Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:13:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from camco.celestial.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05524; Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:13:10 -0800 Received: from raindrop by camco.celestial.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #10) id m0rqsQZ-00024gC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:08 PST Received: by raindrop.seaslug.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA28149; Mon, 20 Mar 95 13:14:33 PST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Unger To: ib bates Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: imap timer In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Under normal circumstances, windows pine keeps the connection alive. I never have this problem on my system. So something unusual is happening on your system. A couple other users have complained about this bug as well. Make sure that you are running a current version of the IMAP server. Under what circumstances does the timeout occur? Does it happen if the pine window is left in the foreground? In the background? Iconized? What other applications are you running? What TCP/IP software do you have? Finally, it may be helpful if you generate a debug log of a pine session that hangs and mail it to us. Do this by turning on debugging with the command line option '-d 8' (levels 0-9 are possible, 8 should produce copious debugging info). Run pine until it hangs. Then look for the debug log (should be pinedebg.txt in the same directory as pine.exe) and mail that to us. Thomas Unger Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington, Seattle On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, ib bates wrote: > the imap daemon, for pine, seems to have a 30 min inactivity timer. when > using windows pine & timed out, the window becomes locked on the pc, which > is very annoying. any suggestions, other than dumping windows? > > thanks, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 20:44:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00466; Mon, 20 Mar 95 20:44:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19773; Mon, 20 Mar 95 20:38:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19765; Mon, 20 Mar 95 20:38:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rqveM-00038HC; Mon, 20 Mar 95 20:34 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ramon J. Hontanon" Subject: Pine freezes on a VT320 terminal Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:27:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, This is something that I haven't seen specifically addressed in the FAQ. I have a user that uses PINE on a (true) VT320 terminal, using a serial 4800 bps connection to a terminal server. He complaints about PINE locking up not only when typing certain control characters (which would be expected), but doing things as simple as moving around the message with the keyboard arrows. Has anybody gotten PINE to work reliably on a true VT320 (no emulation). I'm eager to hear any experiences/advice on this. Thanks much! -- ramon _____________________________________________________________ Ramon J. Hontanon 13100 Worldgate Dr. Template Software Herndon, VA 22070 ramon@template.com (703) 318 1000 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 21:40:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01970; Mon, 20 Mar 95 21:40:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10211; Mon, 20 Mar 95 21:35:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from merlin.resmel.bhp.com.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10199; Mon, 20 Mar 95 21:35:05 -0800 Received: from tin.engper.bhp.com.au by merlin.resmel.bhp.com.au with SMTP id AA22589 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:34:35 +1000 Received: from mercury.engper.bhp.com.au by tin.engper.bhp.com.au with SMTP id AA01689 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:34:03 +0800 Received: by mercury.engper.bhp.com.au id AA07520 (920330.SGI/IDA-1.5); Tue, 19 Mar 96 13:33:24 +0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:33:24 -48000 From: Marc Thuijs To: pine-info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 20 22:02:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02572; Mon, 20 Mar 95 22:02:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20931; Mon, 20 Mar 95 21:57:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20921; Mon, 20 Mar 95 21:57:31 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA16898; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:25:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:25:37 -0800 (PST) From: All About Marilyn Subject: All My Mail Gets Returned?!? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To All, All of a sudden, I can't send any mail on my "thalia" account...it gets returned. Nobody else on the system seems to be having a problem. The To: field expands properly, and everything looks fine, but when I ^X to send, it pauses at "Sending Mail" and "possible alias loop" shows up momentarily at the bottom of the screen. I then get the following from the Mailer-Daemon: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:12:18 -0800 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: rhrynisz@marlborough.la.ca.us Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 rhrynisz... Possible alias loop 554 No valid recipients ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: by thalia (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA28366; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:12:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:12:18 -0800 From: rhrynisz (Roman Hryniszak) Message-Id: <9503210412.AA28366@thalia> content-length: 0 The unsent message DOES NOT follow...it stops at content-length: 0 The mailaliases file hasn't been updated for quite some time, and I've been able to send mail fine...until today! I have been using procmail, and get my mail forwarded from netcom, but everything has been working fine. The only thing I can think of that could be causing the problem is that last night I enabled "enable-header-command", but even toggling that on-off doesn't seem to help. And I think I did that 2-3 nights ago anyway, but have been able to send mail...until today! Also...no problem with incoming mail. PLEASE HELP! Roman ****************************************************************************** **************************** ALL ABOUT MARILYN ***************************** ************** An organization dedicated to Marilyn Monroe *************** ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 01:47:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07878; Tue, 21 Mar 95 01:47:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24012; Tue, 21 Mar 95 01:42:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24006; Tue, 21 Mar 95 01:42:00 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA04685; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:40:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:40:22 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: International chars in headers? Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hallo! Does pine understand mechanism for coding international characters in=20 headers as it is described in RFC 1522? Thanks for the answer. V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 02:18:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08529; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:18:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13797; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:09:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13791; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:09:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr0pS-00038HC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:06 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 01:27:24 GMT In article <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu>, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > I don't have any problems with what you suggest above. But, I think Pine > already does that. I wonder if you ever used Pine yourself. For about a week, simply to see if it was any better than what I was using, but that was quite some time ago. > But, when > you hit R, Pine asks you if you want post a followup to the Usenet. [...] This is fine except for one thing... it obviously doesn't say "you received this message as private mail" in the same question. If it did, people would not be so surprised to hear that the message they quoted to the net hadn't been intended to be public. > Now, for the etiquette: there are some very hot groups. Sometimes, somebody > gets very angry with what you have said there and sends you an email with > threats and/or curses. In such a case, I don't think that it is a breach > of netiquette to reply on the Usenet. In such a case it is a breach of netiquette to reply at all. Or at least it's counterproductive. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 02:34:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08848; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:34:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24499; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:23:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24493; Tue, 21 Mar 95 02:23:25 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:22:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:22:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Vladimir Solnicky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: International chars in headers? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Vladimir Solnicky wrote: > Does pine understand mechanism for coding international characters in > headers as it is described in RFC 1522? > Not in 3.91. I know it is a planned feature....but don't know if it would be in 3.92 or 3.9X. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 03:40:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10519; Tue, 21 Mar 95 03:40:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25258; Tue, 21 Mar 95 03:26:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25249; Tue, 21 Mar 95 03:26:32 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr1yk-00038QC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 03:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Problem posting to mailling lists Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:50:10 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For some reason, when I post to a mailing list, my name gets screwed up in the index. Instead of 23 Michael Pollak Subject like you'd normally get, I get 23 To: badsubjects Subject Why is the "To:" line where the "From" line should be? It's never happened to me on usenet. Has anyone else run into this problem and figured out the solution? Many thanks. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 05:19:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13512; Tue, 21 Mar 95 05:19:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16128; Tue, 21 Mar 95 05:00:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16122; Tue, 21 Mar 95 05:00:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr3W1-00038HC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 04:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 14 Mar 1995 02:17:29 GMT Message-Id: <3k2ubp$cd2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <794865010.8894.0@nifty.andrew.cmu.edu> <3jqv5p$lqi@hustle.rahul.net> In Craig_Everhart@transarc.com writes: >> 1. When standard practice conflicts with an RFC, the RFC is wrong. >> (Trust me on this one.) >So we should just send 8-bit characters in SMTP since everybody knows >that they're just ISO-8859-1? Even though RFC 821 says not to? Time will tell -- I am not sure. I reinstalled sendmail here to be 8-bit transparent, and nobody noticed except the users who had requested this change. For a real-life example I refer you to the battle of Apple vs MacTCP users. This thread is not pine-specific, so follow-ups are set to comp.mail.headers. -- Rahul Dhesi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 06:25:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15145; Tue, 21 Mar 95 06:25:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17250; Tue, 21 Mar 95 06:21:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17244; Tue, 21 Mar 95 06:21:09 -0800 Received: from fhp.utcc.toronto.edu ([128.100.102.121]) by bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <795637>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:20:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:20:50 -0500 From: Ron Tyro Reply-To: ron.tyro@utoronto.ca Subject: source code for PINE To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Can anybody tell me where I can get the source code for PINE? --------------------------------- Ron Tyro Information Technology Analyst University of Toronto 978-0198 ron.tyro@utoronto.ca --------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 07:56:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17652; Tue, 21 Mar 95 07:56:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18454; Tue, 21 Mar 95 07:42:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from CHAPLIN.BBN.COM by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18448; Tue, 21 Mar 95 07:42:13 -0800 Received: from platypus.bbn.com (PLATYPUS.BBN.COM [128.89.7.79]) by chaplin.bbn.com (8.6.10/d4m-bbn) with ESMTP id KAA06029 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:42:12 -0500 Received: by platypus.bbn.com (8.6.10) id KAA20503; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:42:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Bikel To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: reading a message into a reply Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone: This may sound like an odd scenario, but it comes up quite often: I want to reply to a message and not only include the original, but also insert the text from some other message somewhere else (possibly in a different folder). The only kludge I could come up with is first exporting that message to my home directory and then using ^R to read in the file when editing (I use pine's internal pico). Is there a better way? Could this become an implemented feature if not? Thanks in advance for any help. --Dan Bikel. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 08:22:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18495; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:22:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19095; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:16:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19089; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:16:19 -0800 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA06850; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:15:04 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Gardiner Myers To: zmailer@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: References: Beak: is Not Pivo A Zmrzlina writes: > Zmailer rewrites the fully-qualified sender's name, if delivery is > done locally, with only the login. ICK! > Given that zmailer is delivering mail in this rather distributed > environment, my feeling is that what it should be doing (and what any > MTA should be doing), given the increased use of remote protocols such > as IMAP to read mail, is not reducing e-mail addresses to the bare > minimum, with the resulting ambiguity, but rather, the MTA should > instead always be completing incomplete e-mail addresses. Comments? I agree with you completely. Zmailer should not be gratuitously rewriting a perfectly valid, RFC 822 conforming, address into something which is not even syntactically valid. The IMAP servers then try to turn this garbage back into something that is syntactically valid, but as you seem to have found out it is sometimes Garbage In Garbage Out. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 08:58:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20146; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:58:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00736; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:50:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00728; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:50:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr73I-00038KC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 08:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joey Sum Subject: Pine binary file problem Date: 21 Mar 95 06:30:19 GMT Message-Id: Hi, I FTP'ed to the home site for Pine and found precompiled binaries labeled pine-bin.next, etc. What kind of file is this and how do I un-arc it? Thanks, Joey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 10:19:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24480; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:19:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21799; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:09:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from haven.uniserve.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21793; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:09:33 -0800 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <136>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:19:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:18:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: John Gardiner Myers Cc: zmailer@nic.funet.fi, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, John Gardiner Myers wrote: > > Given that zmailer is delivering mail in this rather distributed > > environment, my feeling is that what it should be doing (and what any > > MTA should be doing), given the increased use of remote protocols such > > as IMAP to read mail, is not reducing e-mail addresses to the bare > > minimum, with the resulting ambiguity, but rather, the MTA should > > instead always be completing incomplete e-mail addresses. Comments? > > I agree with you completely. Zmailer should not be gratuitously > rewriting a perfectly valid, RFC 822 conforming, address into > something which is not even syntactically valid. I think the problem rests with the fact that the IMAP server pipes the mail into sendmail. On Zmailer systems, sendmail is just a stub program. I believe that it assumes that all mail submitted is local. The best fix is to hack the IMAP server to submit mail directly into $POSTOFFICE/router Tom From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 10:19:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24510; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:19:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21825; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:10:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21819; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:10:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr8LX-00038KC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International chars in headers? Date: 21 Mar 1995 10:10:06 GMT Message-Id: <3km8lv$ir8@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, vs@utia.cas.cz (Vladimir Solnicky) says: >Does pine understand mechanism for coding international characters in >headers as it is described in RFC 1522? Not at present. It's on the List, but I haven't heard if it will be included in 3.92. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 11:00:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26697; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:00:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04749; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:55:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mercury.bih.harvard.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04743; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:55:19 -0800 Received: (from scott@localhost) by BIH Mail Handler (8.6.9/8.6.12) id NAA09684; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:55:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McWilliams X-Sender: scott@mercury To: Pine Listserv , Tom Cullen Subject: internavigator Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII just to confirm that we will talk Wed morning about the new failure on the submenus to index themselves, or the dbf files to be updated. I'll let the user know who contacted us today that the submenus are ok for now. ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: Scott_McWilliams@bih.harvard.edu | | Sysadmin, Postmaster | | Beth Israel Hospital, Network Services Vox: +1 617.667.5559 | | 330 Brookline Ave, Boston MA 02215 Facs: +1 617.667.3966 | -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 11:37:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28168; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:37:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24708; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from alpha.loyno.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24678; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:30:57 -0800 Received: by alpha.loyno.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Jul94-0234PM) id AA13932; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:32:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:32:11 +0100 (MET) From: Mary Aplin To: pine Subject: saving messages with "international" characters Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Pine-ers -- I have a faculty member who receives most of his mail in Russian. When he attempts to save a message to a file (via save or export) he loses alot of special characters. This isn't just a pine problem; he had this same problem with the mailer we used to use. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Mary Aplin Loyola University, New Orleans From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 11:37:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28203; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:37:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05504; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:25:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05498; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:25:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr9X4-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Joey Sum Subject: Re: Pine binary file problem Date: 21 Mar 95 16:11:51 GMT Message-Id: References: In Joey Sum writes: > I FTP'ed to the home site for Pine and found precompiled binaries >labeled pine-bin.next, etc. What kind of file is this and how do I >un-arc it? Oooops, forgot to chmod 755 and check it out. The 2.6 Mb file size had me confused for a sec. Thanks. Joey From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 11:57:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29502; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:57:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25182; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:46:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25174; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:46:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rr9oa-00038KC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: map004@thunder (M.Chaisi) Subject: Re: Signature file in Pine Date: 21 Mar 1995 12:53:10 GMT Message-Id: <3kmi7m$e32@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk> References: Elliott Noel (jnoel@public.compusult.nf.ca) wrote: : One of my problems, which i put to this newsgroup to answer, is this: : When i include the message i'm replying to so i can edit and quote it, my : signature always goes before the quoted message. This is very annoying, : as i have to then delete my sig since it looks silly at the start of the : message. how do i fix this? Do these : On the main menu, select SETUP, then select `Config' at the prompt that follows. Go down to "feature-list" on the screen that shows up, under feature-list, look for "signature-at-bottom", and put an X in to enable it. It should look like this : feature-list = Set Feature Name --- ---------------------- [ ] assume-slow-link . . . [X] signature-at-bottom . . This is a fairly easier way of doing it, you can also do this by editing your .pinerc file, though its more of a mess I have to tell you, compared with the way recommended above. On the other hand, it surely helps to go through "jargon" like that if you have time, that's how I knew of all these. Hope this helps. -- ----_________________________________________________________________ Mosa Chaisi (Mr.) 'phones School of Mathematics Home : 01248 354098 flat2 University of Wales,Dean Str., Office : 351151 x 2497 Bangor,Wales,LL57 1UT. Int'national: +44 1248 number ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 12:10:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00520; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:10:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06422; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:01:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06416; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:01:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrA1t-00038KC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 21 Mar 1995 17:47:17 GMT Message-Id: <3kn3f5$ich@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com> Peter da Silva wrote: >In article <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >> of accidents in transmission, you are relying on the kindness of >> strangers as far as respecting your wishes for privacy goes. > >I'm willing to be betrayed intentionally by a human. I consider it >unreasonable to be betrayed by a user interface. Especially when there Especially a user agent that is directed at new users. >is enough information available to that user interface to do the right >thing. Software is a lot easier to fix than people. -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 12:21:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01231; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:21:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06845; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:16:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from tuna.wang.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06839; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:16:38 -0800 Received: from elf.wang.com by tuna.wang.com with SMTP id AA10537 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:16:34 -0500 Received: from fubar.wang.com by elf.wang.com with SMTP id AA08126 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:05:58 -0500 Received: by fubar.wang.com (5.67b/TF8) id AA03317; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:16:10 -0500 From: Forrest Aldrich Message-Id: <199503212016.AA03317@fubar.wang.com> Subject: Ideas for PINE GUI and libraries (q) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 645 I don't think my message got received on this list, so I'll post again. I am interested in any work people are doing to develop an MS-Windows GUI for PINE. I understand someone is working on an X-WINDOWS version called Spruce (the author is on vacation right now). It would be nice to have a version which is _consistent_ in-as-much-as- possible across these platforms and be FREE. I'm disappointed to see that all the GUI's for MS-Windows are commercial. Equally, I'm interested in whether or not a *.DLL could be created from the c-client sources to enable easy programming/hacking for a mail GUI on MS-Windows. Thanks alot, Forrest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 13:36:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05214; Tue, 21 Mar 95 13:36:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27705; Tue, 21 Mar 95 13:20:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27698; Tue, 21 Mar 95 13:20:41 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrBKE-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: nigel@vodapage.demon.co.uk (Nigel Reed) Subject: Using Pine. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:56:46 +0000 Message-Id: <795794206snz@vodapage.demon.co.uk> We are looking at using Pine running on a HP9000, and wonder if anyone else is running a similar set up, and if so, whether you have come across any problem with it. We expect to put about 70 users onto the system using both dumb terminals and PC clients. Many Thanks Regards Nigel -- Nigel Reed Email :nigel@vodapage.demon.co.uk Vodapage Ltd Daytime Tel:+44 1635 521800 ext 2337 or 2364 21-22 Parkway Pager No. :+44 1399 741206 Voicemail +44 1399 872295 Newbury RG13 1EE Evening&W/E:+44 1635 861859 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 14:16:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06974; Tue, 21 Mar 95 14:16:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28885; Tue, 21 Mar 95 14:09:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28879; Tue, 21 Mar 95 14:09:56 -0800 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA16026; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:44 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Gardiner Myers To: zmailer@nic.funet.fi, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients In-Reply-To: References: Beak: is Not Tom Samplonius writes: > I think the problem rests with the fact that the IMAP server pipes the > mail into sendmail. IMAP servers don't submit mail to a delivery service. -- _.John G. Myers Internet: jgm+@CMU.EDU LoseNet: ...!seismo!ihnp4!wiscvm.wisc.edu!give!up From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 15:16:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10323; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:16:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00263; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:05:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00257; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:05:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrCv5-00038RC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@venus.mcs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:21:34 GMT In article <3kfmeu$ijh@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > Whatever B or his mail program does is > almost irrelevant to the issue. I suspect that there are even > situations in certain places that would cause the bounce message > to be delivered to the newsgroup in the case where B's mailbox wasn't > even available. Since Pine is the only mail program that does this and since Pine is not a MTA this is not possible. > My impression is that such a program should have one command that > says "reply to sender only" whether in the context of news or mail > and another command that says "reply to everyone who saw this". The "Newsgroups" header does not contain any information about "who saw this" unless the message was received as news. Pine should discard or transform "Newsgroups" headers when it doesn't know the message was posted to news. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 15:17:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10380; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:17:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11178; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:05:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11172; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:05:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrCuz-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:17:43 GMT In article <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > So, this is exactly equivalent to someone sending you some private email > that accidentally includes some CC: headers, and then being surprised > when you reply to all. If the message has those Cc: headers, that means it was sent to those places, regardless of origin. If the message has Newsgroups: headers that doesn't mean anything unless the message was received as news, because Newsgroups: isn't a mail header. > The real message here is that anything you send electronically can > appear *anywhere* and be kept for any length of time. If that bothers > you, don't send it in the first place. In addition to the possibility > of accidents in transmission, you are relying on the kindness of > strangers as far as respecting your wishes for privacy goes. I'm willing to be betrayed intentionally by a human. I consider it unreasonable to be betrayed by a user interface. Especially when there is enough information available to that user interface to do the right thing. Software is a lot easier to fix than people. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 15:24:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10799; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:24:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11398; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:15:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from europe.std.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11389; Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:15:13 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.11/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA00391; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:15:13 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00185; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:15:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:15:22 +0001 (EST) From: Zachary H Leber Subject: reading email sent from emacs (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using Pine 3.91 and Emacs 19.27 and when I send a message from Emacs to Pine, the sender/From information is lost. This happens when sending from both a DEC Alpha an an HP. Any help? Thanks, Zach ----------------------------------------------------- | Zach Leber | zach@world.std.com | | RSA | | | 22 Terry Avenue | Tel: 617-238-0600 x1312 | | Burlington, MA 01803 | Fax: 617-238-0606 | ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 18:31:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19506; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:31:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15927; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:26:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15921; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:26:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrG3b-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 21 Mar 1995 23:49:32 GMT Message-Id: <3knomc$c1a@news1.halcyon.com> References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com> peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >I'm willing to be betrayed intentionally by a human. I consider it >unreasonable to be betrayed by a user interface. Especially when there >is enough information available to that user interface to do the right >thing. Software is a lot easier to fix than people. But what you think is "the right thing" and what others think is the right thing are different. For example, I think the right thing is for a mail/news reader to tell me where a message has been mailed and/or posted and then ask me which of these places, and what new places, my response should go. Currently this is not possible. I still think we need a new header (or headers) that would contain this information. And then mail/news user agents should be configurable so that a user can customize the response behaviour. For example, if you never want to do a newsgroup response to a news article that you get via email then you should be able to set a variable that disallows that. But if I want to be able to do a newsgroup response to a news article that I receive in mail, I should be able to set a variable to allow that. I think the default setting should be to disallow posting responses to news messages received in mail because we want to discourage new users from doing a news response when they haven't read the entire thread. But once a user knows how it all works, she should be able to set a variable that allows her to easily respond to any or all of the individuals, mailing lists, and newsgroups that also got the message. Does anyone else think we need a new header (or headers) to make this possible? -- /\_/\ @..@ Vote for the humanities.misc /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough (----) newsgroup! The CFV is at ( o.o ) > ^ < Infinite Ink ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 18:45:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19962; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:45:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04967; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:41:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04961; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:41:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrGKk-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 20 Mar 1995 10:08:37 GMT Message-Id: <3kjk75$dfi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In article , Mike Brudenell wrote: >It is quite possible to save any item (e-mail message or News article) to >a folder in a folder collection. Indeed this is a very valuable way of >keeping important or interesting News articles so that they do not >disappear when the News server expires and deleted them. Of course it is. No debate here. >Whilst it would therefore presumably be possible to interpret the >presence of an item in a news-collection folder as "this article is News" >it is *not* possible to interpret the presence of an item in a >folder-collection folder as meaning it MUST be an e-mail message. It is >quite possible to be a News article that was saved there. If Pine saves a news article in a folder and does not put the flag that says "this was news" in it, then why doesn't it? However, the assumption that "it isn't news unless you know it is" would not prevent private replies, and it would prevent the posting of mail by accident. The latter is the goal. >I would be worried by the prospect of separating folders into two >"types": mail (only) and news (only). I find Pine's integrated approach >very useful, and many of our users are happily using Usenet News who >would, I believe, otherwise have got to grips with it. Once again, the point is not that some people find the complete integration nice. The point is that some people DO NOT. In any case, using trn is hardly much more daunting than trying to figure out how to tell pine about newsgroups. In fact, I just looked for the way to set up news in 3.89, and I still don't know how to set up news for a local spool, or what I would do if I didn't know the name of my local NNTP server. >If more people took the time to make such changes to their newsreaders >rather than spouting off here perhaps the problem could gradually be >eliminated? (Rattles cage and prepares to stand back pronto! ;-) The majority of people who use newsreaders that put Newsgroups: headers in mail do not read this group. Trying to make those who object to the blanket statement that mail and news are the same responsible for changing all the sites that do things wrong is going to work about as well as making all those who say it is the same responsible. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 19:25:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21032; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:25:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16708; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:21:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16702; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:21:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrGxY-00038SC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: roland@nwg.nectec.or.th (Roland Peter Sauermann) Subject: Re: Pine and a Mail Folder Distribution Date: 20 Mar 1995 12:24:30 GMT Message-Id: <3kjs5u$r1l@senior.nectec.or.th> References: <3k4p8j$j13@leia.ursinus.edu> Jonathan Bodarky (jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu) wrote: : Help. : Ok, I'm a LINUX new user and have tried to get the answer to this : question from too many people... No luck in man pages or sysadmin. : Is there anyway to configure Pine to automatically place mail from : certain users is their folders? I.E. Mail from Bob@bob.net would be : automatically put into folder BOB. : Email response is preferred, but a followup is fine; you all are doing me : a favor, I'm not gonna complain. : Thanks alot, : Jon use procmail...easy to setup under linux -- Roland P. Sauermann roland@nwg.nectec.or.th Bangkok, Thailand From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 19:35:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21492; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:35:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05721; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:31:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05715; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:31:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrH4n-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tonyw8@aol.com (TonyW8) Subject: PC Pine + Linux IMAP Capabilities Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:11:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3kn8ds$34n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I am trying figure out how many email accounts I could handle using a Linux system as the IMAP server and using PC Pine as the interface. If anyone is doing this, I would like to get an idea on how many accounts are on the Linux and what kind of hardware you are running. Tony Wyland Computing Services Messiah College wyland@mcis.messiah.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 19:57:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22151; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:57:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17115; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:50:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from icicle.winternet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17109; Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:50:49 -0800 Received: from solutions.solon.com by icicle.winternet.com with smtp (SunOS Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rrHRX-000SwvC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 21:50 CST Received: (from seebs@localhost) by solutions.solon.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA03376 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 21:52:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 21:52:15 -0600 From: Peter Seebach Message-Id: <199503220352.VAA03376@solutions.solon.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine-3.91 and NetBSD - anyone have problems? pine-3.91 is crashing for us. The last thing in .pine-crash is "about to end_tty_driver", followed by an abort signal. I am supicious of the Raw() function, which looks like it may be using one of the obsolete terminal interfaces, rather than the new and POSIX termios. (This is, however, a step up from pine-3.89 on SVR4, which panicked.) We're running NetBSD-current as of two weeks or so ago, and it's a 68k platform. -s From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 20:13:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22952; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:13:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17532; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:11:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17526; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:11:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrHjL-00038MC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kevin McCracken Subject: verbose mode? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:47:31 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've searched the Pine www site and all its archives but have come up with a big null for an answer to my following question: Can Pine do a verbose mode? (You know, so you can observe the "conversation" between the two (origin and destination) mail daemons to verify your mail reached its destination). Thanx in advance, Kevin PS. an email response would be greatly appreciated! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kevin McCracken email: kmccrack@umabnet.ab.umd.edu University of Maryland Home of the Terps! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 20:16:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23263; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:16:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06391; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:11:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06385; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:11:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrHjR-00038RC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Re: Problem posting to mailling lists Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:27:00 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <15641@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> Egad! Is this ever useful? And is there any way around it? Or do I simply have to use some other program when I'm posting to mailing lists? On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > This is not a bug but, a feature. Pine sees that the mail is from > yourself and thinks that From: information is not that interesting > anymore. Instead, the To: info is more important. So, it shows that. > > # From: Michael Pollak > # Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > # Subject: Problem posting to mailling lists > # Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:50:10 -0500 > # > # > # For some reason, when I post to a mailing list, my name gets screwed up > # in the index. Instead of > # > # 23 Michael Pollak Subject > # > # like you'd normally get, I get > # > # 23 To: badsubjects Subject > # > # Why is the "To:" line where the "From" line should be? It's never > # happened to me on usenet. Has anyone else run into this problem and > # figured out the solution? Many thanks. > # > # __________________________________________________________________________ > # Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > # > # > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Selcuk Ozturk > Economics Department e-mail: seost2+@pitt.edu > University Of Pittsburgh http://ftp.econ.pitt.edu/selcuk/welcome.html > > __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 20:16:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23316; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:16:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17576; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:14:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from itsmail1.hamilton.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17570; Tue, 21 Mar 95 20:14:33 -0800 Received: by itsmail1.hamilton.edu (5.65/3.1.090690-Hamilton College) id AA11982; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:13:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:13:31 -0500 (EST) From: "James E. Douglas" X-Sender: jdouglas@ITSMAIL1 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: 'New' messages Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage them on my PC the next morning... Thanks. Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 22:41:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27385; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:41:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08289; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:25:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08283; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:25:15 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:24:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:24:30 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: "James E. Douglas" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 'New' messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, James E. Douglas wrote: > Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been > read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, > and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage > them on my PC the next morning... Yes. From the index display you would use the * (Flag) command. You need to be using pine 3.90+ and you need to have the enable-flag-cmd set in your configuration. Ed Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 22:48:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27613; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:48:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08611; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:44:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08605; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:44:37 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07163; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:44:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:44:31 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Michael Pollak Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problem posting to mailling lists In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Michael, This behavior has nothing to do with posting, it's just the way Pine displays the index of the messages you are *reading*... As Selcuk said, Pine figures you already know what your own name is, so when a message in the Index is from you, it displays the *recipient* name in the index instead of your name. (If you get a different result using another program to post it's only because that other program uses a different form of your name, so Pine doesn't recognize the message as from you.) -teg On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote: > Egad! Is this ever useful? And is there any way around it? Or do I > simply have to use some other program when I'm posting to mailing lists? > > On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > > > This is not a bug but, a feature. Pine sees that the mail is from > > yourself and thinks that From: information is not that interesting > > anymore. Instead, the To: info is more important. So, it shows that. > > > > # From: Michael Pollak > > # Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > > # Subject: Problem posting to mailling lists > > # Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:50:10 -0500 > > # > > # > > # For some reason, when I post to a mailing list, my name gets screwed up > > # in the index. Instead of > > # > > # 23 Michael Pollak Subject > > # > > # like you'd normally get, I get > > # > > # 23 To: badsubjects Subject > > # > > # Why is the "To:" line where the "From" line should be? It's never > > # happened to me on usenet. Has anyone else run into this problem and > > # figured out the solution? Many thanks. > > # > > # __________________________________________________________________________ > > # Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > > # > > # > > # > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Selcuk Ozturk > > Economics Department e-mail: seost2+@pitt.edu > > University Of Pittsburgh http://ftp.econ.pitt.edu/selcuk/welcome.html > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 21 23:58:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29577; Tue, 21 Mar 95 23:58:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20479; Tue, 21 Mar 95 23:48:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20473; Tue, 21 Mar 95 23:48:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrL5K-00038SC; Tue, 21 Mar 95 23:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:03:49 -0500 Message-Id: <4jLSBpKSMUQa09V440@transarc.com> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3jj01t$lue@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. John Stanley@skyking.OCE (2788) > Unfortunately, Pine's assumption about what other systems meant is not > correct, and it leads to problems, and the Pine people know this but > adamantly refuse to change or fix the program. Bzzt. By ``not correct,'' I have to assume that you mean ``not something that I agree with.'' > That's silly. The agent put the messages in the folders, it can > remember how the message arrived. ("Gee, I used NNTP to fetch this > thing, I'll bet it's news.") Since some news headers are undefined for > mail, it really does need to know which is which. Eh? I have a big system and messages arrive from all over the place, more than just ``mail'' and ``news''. They use a common representation (the basic RFC 822 header/body separation, the basic RFC 822 mechanism to separate the individual headers). Differences are encapsulated by those headers as they need to be. Convince me that the difference is truly important. > What we CAN say about the correct solution is that it is NOT "screw > anyone who's mail software doesn't obey the news RFC". Another oversight. By ``correct'' I have to read ``pragmatic.'' ``Correct'' is a powerful word and it doesn't help to over-use it; it's just inflammatory. Excerpts from netnews.comp.mail.headers: 8-Mar-95 Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Re.. Tim Pierce@midway.uchica (2381) > Precisely. Even though news and mail are, at a technical > level, extremely similar messaging systems, those who use > them tend to treat them as oil and water. It is imperative > that the tools used to handle mail and news be capable of > making an equally strong distinction; even though the user > may want to do many similar things to both media, it can be > catastrophic to confuse one for the other. Who uses them as ``oil and water''? Maybe some folks, sure. But it's not fair to go from a wishy-washy statement about ``those who use them tend to treat'' to ``it is imperative.'' Let's cut the high-handed rhetoric. This topic has had more than its share of heat for its amount of light. If there are technical points to make, let's make them but leave the flame-talk at home. Craig From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 00:33:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00623; Wed, 22 Mar 95 00:33:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09992; Wed, 22 Mar 95 00:28:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09986; Wed, 22 Mar 95 00:28:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrLkE-00038SC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 00:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:31:23 GMT Message-Id: <3kmnvr$nle@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kjk75$dfi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: >In article , >Mike Brudenell wrote: >>Whilst it would therefore presumably be possible to interpret the >>presence of an item in a news-collection folder as "this article is News" >>it is *not* possible to interpret the presence of an item in a >>folder-collection folder as meaning it MUST be an e-mail message. It is >>quite possible to be a News article that was saved there. > >If Pine saves a news article in a folder and does not put the flag that >says "this was news" in it, then why doesn't it? Right now Pine does not have a flag for messages saved in folders that says "this was news". I'm curious about a few things: * Which newsreaders allow you to save news articles into mail folders? I know nn and pine do but what about tin and trn? And what about all the Windows/Mac readers? * Of these newsreaders, which have a way to distinguish whether a message came via news or mail? I think, as I said many months ago, that we need a new header (or headers) for these things. As we all know from this endless discussion, the Newsgroups header is not going to work for this purpose because it's too entrenched in the system in newsreaders that include it in mail-only messages. How about having a header, maybe called something like Type or Transport that can take one or more of these values: Value Meaning ===== ======= M mail (but not mailing list) N news L mailing list So, for example, if a message were posted and mailed it would have this header: Type: MN And if a message were sent to a mailing list and Cc'd to users it would have this: Type: ML etc., etc. Then mail processors, news processors, folder managers, etc. could be developed to intelligently deal with all the different combinations. -Nancy -- /\_/\ @..@ Vote for the humanities.misc /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough (----) newsgroup! The CFV is at ( o.o ) > ^ < Infinite Ink ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 01:14:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01831; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:14:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21539; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:09:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21529; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:09:28 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:06:26 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA21594; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:09:09 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:09:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: "James E. Douglas" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 'New' messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My apologies for side-comments about unadventurous people... I had forgotten that the "flag" command had to be enabled in the Configuration Setup screen (and to use the Select and/or Apply commands you'll also need to enable the "aggregate command set" option there). Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, James E. Douglas wrote: > > Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been > read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, > and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage > them on my PC the next morning... > > Thanks. > > Jim > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 01:15:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01901; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:15:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21463; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:06:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21457; Wed, 22 Mar 95 01:06:06 -0800 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:02:57 +0000 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id JAA21439; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:05:36 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:05:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Brudenell X-Sender: pmb1@ebor.york.ac.uk To: "James E. Douglas" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 'New' messages In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (I'm constantly amazed at how unadventurous people are... :-) Pine very helpfully displays a menu of commands at the bottom of the screen. One of the commands that's shown is "O" for Other. This modifies the menu to show you other commands (the ones that wouldn't fit on the first screen). Pressing this a couple of times with a message selected/being read shows the "*" (Flag) command. Using this lets you set the status of a message pretty much as you like (including back to "N" (New)). Useful hint: if you have a lot of messages to do you can almost certainly use the ";" (Select) command to choose them according to some criteria, and then "A" (Apply) a "*" command to the selection. Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Phone: +44-(0)1904-433811 FAX: +44-(0)1904-433740 On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, James E. Douglas wrote: > > Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been > read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, > and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage > them on my PC the next morning... > > Thanks. > > Jim > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 04:52:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08142; Wed, 22 Mar 95 04:52:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24506; Wed, 22 Mar 95 04:40:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24500; Wed, 22 Mar 95 04:40:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrPfO-00038WC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 04:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: 'New' messages Date: 22 Mar 1995 10:51:30 GMT Message-Id: <3kovfi$p1k@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, Edward.M.Greshko@cdc.com (Ed Greshko) says: >On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, James E. Douglas wrote: > >> Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been >> read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, >> and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage >> them on my PC the next morning... > > Yes. From the index display you would use the * (Flag) command. You can also get in the habit of opening your mailbox read-only, meaning Pine will not write anything to indicate that the message is no longer new. The command pine -o does this. The drawback to this is that once the inbox is opened, Pine no longer bothers to check to see if any new mail has been received during the time you are reading; however, all messages that were ``new'' when you started Pine will stay that way, which is what you want when reading from home. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 06:59:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11668; Wed, 22 Mar 95 06:59:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15051; Wed, 22 Mar 95 06:45:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15045; Wed, 22 Mar 95 06:45:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrRZ8-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 06:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbodarky@leia.ursinus.edu (Jonathan Bodarky) Subject: Pine and a Mail Folder Distribution Message-Id: <3k4p8j$j13@leia.ursinus.edu> Date: 14 Mar 1995 19:02:43 -0000 Help. Ok, I'm a LINUX new user and have tried to get the answer to this question from too many people... No luck in man pages or sysadmin. Is there anyway to configure Pine to automatically place mail from certain users is their folders? I.E. Mail from Bob@bob.net would be automatically put into folder BOB. Email response is preferred, but a followup is fine; you all are doing me a favor, I'm not gonna complain. Thanks alot, Jon From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 07:35:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13004; Wed, 22 Mar 95 07:35:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26912; Wed, 22 Mar 95 07:25:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26906; Wed, 22 Mar 95 07:25:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrSDy-00038WC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 07:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Clarence Dold Subject: Local pine traffic goes via Internet Date: 22 Mar 1995 04:17:34 GMT Message-Id: <3ko8cu$2tr@hustle.rahul.net> I am running Pine 3.91, as compiled and available on the ftp server ftp.novell.de, on Unixware 1.1.2. If I send mail to another user on my system, it is routed via my Internet provider and back to my system as a domain name address. I can send mail from elm, and it stays local to my machine. Traffic intended for the internet works fine, and actually, so does the local mail, except for the extra hop or two that it makes. The only "config" options that I set were to make an smtp mailer equal to localhost, and specify my domain name, as suggested in the Novell tips. I also tried using my machine name, rather than localhost, as the smtp-mailer, with the same effect. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 09:19:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19884; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:19:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18656; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:01:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18650; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:01:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrTkH-00038WC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 08:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@novell.co.uk (Andrew Josey) Subject: Re: Local pine traffic goes via Internet Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:32:03 GMT References: <3ko8cu$2tr@hustle.rahul.net> Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : I am running Pine 3.91, as compiled and available on the ftp server : ftp.novell.de, on Unixware 1.1.2. : If I send mail to another user on my system, it is routed via my Internet : provider and back to my system as a domain name address. : I can send mail from elm, and it stays local to my machine. : Traffic intended for the internet works fine, and actually, so does the : local mail, except for the extra hop or two that it makes. : The only "config" options that I set were to make an smtp mailer equal to : localhost, and specify my domain name, as suggested in the Novell tips. : I also tried using my machine name, rather than localhost, as the : smtp-mailer, with the same effect. This is a problem/feature of your local mail configuration. You need to set your mailsurr to recognise your domain address as a local delivery. The following extracts from the HINTS doc on novell.de should help.... Q. Mail sent to my domain mydom.com does not arrive locally on the machine. It gets here but the local mailsystem does not recognise it as local. A. Add an entry to /etc/mail/mailcnfg %d=mydom.com If you have the nuc package installed , edit /usr/lib/mail/mailsurr.proto to create a translation entry in that file. The user@domain entry is shown below from the mailsurr.proto file: # Map all names of the form user@local-machine -> user # Map all names of the form user@uname -> user # Map all names of the form user@domain # Then loop back through from the top. # '.+' '(.+)@%L' 'Translate R=\\1' '.+' '(.+)@%U' 'Translate R=\\1' '.+' '(.+)@%d' 'Translate R=\\1' #This is the added entry for user@domain Then run the script /usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/createSurr. If you don't have the nuc package installed, add an entry to /etc/mail/mailsurr as: #### #### Part 2 #### # Map all names of the form host.uucp!user -> host!user # Map all names of the form host.local-domain!user -> host!user # (host must not have a . in it) # Comment out if you do not want these translations. # #'.+' '!([^!]+)\\.uucp!(.+)' 'Translate R=!\\1!\\2' #'.+' '!([^!.]+)%D!(.+)' 'Translate R=!\\1!\\2' '.+' '!%d!(.+)' 'Translate R=\\2' Andrew From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 09:37:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21196; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:37:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00828; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:30:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00822; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:30:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrUBA-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) Subject: Re: compiling pine under solaris 2.4 Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:35:41 GMT Message-Id: <3kpg4d$3eq@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <3k0m47$16e@mis.nu.edu> <3k21q1$t99@news.missouri.edu> In article <3k21q1$t99@news.missouri.edu>, david@services.more.net (David Drum) writes: |> Gregory "snooze" Blake (gblake@mis.nu.edu) wrote: |> : Anyone been able to do this? I get problems in addrbook.c when it |> : tries to compile it. Is this a FAQ? Anyone able to offer any advice? |> |> I have. Let me get a clean copy of Pine and then I will post the patches. I compiled Pine 3.91 under 2.3 (admittedly not 2.4) having made the following changes: . Edited pine/osdep/os-sv4.h: . Set the locations of the pine global configuration files; . De-commented the setting of ANSI; . Commented the null definition of "const". . Edited pine/makefile.sol: . Commented out the compiler flag setting for -g -DDEBUG. . De-commented the compiler flag setting for -O. . Typed "build sol" at top level. It all built straight away. There were a number of compiler warnings, some about changes of comparisons for ANSI semantics, and some for apparent differences of argument types to some routines. These do not seem to matter. We've been using it for months. -- Philip Hazel University Computing Service, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, P.Hazel@ucs.cam.ac.uk England. Phone: +44 1223 334714 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 11:48:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27773; Wed, 22 Mar 95 11:48:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22840; Wed, 22 Mar 95 11:40:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22834; Wed, 22 Mar 95 11:40:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrWBx-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 11:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdulaney@crl.com (John Dulaney) Subject: Can you fix this prog., please? Date: 22 Mar 1995 18:29:09 GMT Message-Id: <3kpq9l$7qi@nntp.crl.com> I've been so lucky to have many people help but still can get this little prog. to work. Its a loop to stagger out large .addressbooks of e-mail so as not to clog my provider. It should work but I can't get it to convert to an .exe file. Thanks for all help! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh COUNT=0 for i in cat $2 | cut -f3 for each person ( `cat recipients | cut -f3`) do COUNT=`/bin/echo $COUNT + 1 | /bin/bc` /usr/ucb/mail -s $1 $i < $3 /bin/sleep 1 /bin/echo Mailing to $i /bin/echo $COUNT if [ `/bin/echo $COUNT % 5 | /bin/bc` -eq 0 ]; then /bin/echo Resting ... /bin/sleep 7; fi done ---------------------------------------------------------------- Using chmod I get nothing. 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Ask for Scat95.zip * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 13:30:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02602; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:30:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06038; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:11:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06024; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:10:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrXaw-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dave Knell Subject: Problems deleting USENET messages. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At our university we are running pine 3.90, I only today discovered the enable-aggregate-command switch... previously I was going through Usenet mail message by message deleting all the messages I didn't want to read one by one. The problem arises, is that if I delete a lot > 50 or so... when I change folder or exit, pine raises an 'Abort Signal' basically putting me back to unix shell... terminating the program... the .newsrc is not updated... and I still have 500 or so messages to delete... This error happens if I even delete the messages manually, one by one. I have even tried 'X' (expunging) the messages... that works, but it still crashes out when I go to quit or change folder. Is this a bug in the program, or have I done something wrong??... I am a bit confused by it all... and I just cannot delete mail in one big go... We don't seem to have procmail so I cant filter out the messages I don't want. I will have to see the systems manager for advice I think... Anyway..... any help is appreciated :-) __ __ +=-=-=-=-=/ // /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ |SIS3051 / // / | A computer, to print out a fact, | |__ __ / // / David Knell (C.S Student) | Will divide,multiply,and subtract| |\ \\ \/ // / | But this output can be | | \ \\/ // / ----------------------------| No more than debris, | | \ V /V / sis3051@anubis.sis.port.ac.uk| If the input was short of exact. | +---\_/\_/-------------------------------+----------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 14:01:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04452; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:01:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25526; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:41:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25520; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:41:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrY4X-00038SC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Postponed Messages Bug.... Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:26:23 -0600 Message-Id: I'm not sure whether this is a bug or a feature or whether it has been reported before or not. If you postpone a message in PINE by hitting "Cntrl-o" the message is left in "/tmp" even after you re-compose and send it. You have to explicitly delete the file by using "rm". Regards Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 14:38:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06045; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:38:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07870; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:31:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07860; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:31:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrYuK-00038SC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Selcuk Ozturk Subject: Re: Problem posting to mailling lists Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:43:51 EST Message-Id: <15641@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> References: In-Reply-To: your message of Mon Mar 20 20:50:10 1995 This is not a bug but, a feature. Pine sees that the mail is from yourself and thinks that From: information is not that interesting anymore. Instead, the To: info is more important. So, it shows that. # From: Michael Pollak # Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine # Subject: Problem posting to mailling lists # Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:50:10 -0500 # # # For some reason, when I post to a mailing list, my name gets screwed up # in the index. Instead of # # 23 Michael Pollak Subject # # like you'd normally get, I get # # 23 To: badsubjects Subject # # Why is the "To:" line where the "From" line should be? It's never # happened to me on usenet. Has anyone else run into this problem and # figured out the solution? Many thanks. # # __________________________________________________________________________ # Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Selcuk Ozturk Economics Department e-mail: seost2+@pitt.edu University Of Pittsburgh http://ftp.econ.pitt.edu/selcuk/welcome.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 15:26:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08160; Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:26:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09011; Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:17:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from jaguar.csc.wsu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09005; Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:17:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:17:45 -0800 (PST) From: PRCADAMS@JAGUAR.CSC.WSU.EDU To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <950322151745.20c02ca5@JAGUAR.CSC.WSU.EDU> Subject: 64bit sgi This is Susan Jean Johns at Washington State University. We just got a new Power Challenge L SGI box and I am trying to get pine up on it. It is not going well. Is there any one out there who has successfully done this? I am having problems with too small an int value I believe in the mailindx.c file, or at least the get_mailparameters routines. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 20:44:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20183; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:44:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04915; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:40:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04909; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:40:38 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrefU-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jywong@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joyce Y Wong) Subject: Where to get pine for ibm machine?? Date: 22 Mar 1995 17:55:30 GMT Message-Id: <3kpoai$6i5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I would like to know where to ftp a version of pine which is compiled alread for the following machine: ibm-3090/vm/xa sp 2.1 please respond to jywong@squid.ucsb.edu thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 20:50:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20372; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:50:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05021; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:46:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05015; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:46:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrejh-00038DC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stkst6+@pitt.edu (Stacy Kuiper) Subject: BLIND cc function or like in pine? Date: 23 Mar 1995 02:50:16 GMT Message-Id: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. Help? Tell me how to deal with this? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 21:52:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22013; Wed, 22 Mar 95 21:52:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05859; Wed, 22 Mar 95 21:40:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from netcom.netcom.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05853; Wed, 22 Mar 95 21:40:52 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id VAA28801; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:39:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:39:26 -0800 (PST) From: All About Marilyn Reply-To: All About Marilyn Subject: Re: Problem posting to mailling lists To: Michael Pollak Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII To All, I (a novice at Unix) ran into a similar problem when I wanted to download to my Mac a folder containing a specific set of mail, all from one in-house group that followed a particular thread. Even though I included myself in the distribution list and so automatically saved mail (via procmail) into a particular folder, it showed "To: ..." rather than "From..." My workaround was: I simply went into "vi" and used the "replace" command to change "" to and "rhrynisz" to " " This made pine NOT recognize it as mail from me, and it changed my real name to my nickname, with the result being that the index said "From: Magic" rather than "To:..." My original thought was to have one of the group bounce all my messages back to me (how come the "Apply" command DOES NOT include "bounce"???), but that didn't work, even AFTER I stripped out out the "Resent" lines with grep. Fortunately, though, my little workaround fixes everything I want done. Hope this helped??? Roman rhrynisz@marlborough.la.ca.us [can't send mail from this address right now (see previous cry for help), so sending from my netcom account] > Egad! Is this ever useful? And is there any way around it? Or do I > simply have to use some other program when I'm posting to mailing lists? > > > This is not a bug but, a feature. Pine sees that the mail is from > > yourself and thinks that From: information is not that interesting > > anymore. Instead, the To: info is more important. So, it shows that. > > # > > # For some reason, when I post to a mailing list, my name gets screwed up > > # in the index. Instead of > > > > # Why is the "To:" line where the "From" line should be? It's never > > # happened to me on usenet. Has anyone else run into this problem and > > # figured out the solution? Many thanks. ****************************************************************************** **************************** ALL ABOUT MARILYN ***************************** ************** An organization dedicated to Marilyn Monroe *************** ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 22:40:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23537; Wed, 22 Mar 95 22:40:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06774; Wed, 22 Mar 95 22:36:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from venera.isi.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06768; Wed, 22 Mar 95 22:36:07 -0800 Received: from thalia (thalia.marlborough.la.ca.us) by venera.isi.edu (5.65c/5.61+local-21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:36:00 -0800 Received: by thalia (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03039; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:35:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: Roman Hryniszak X-Sender: rhrynisz@thalia To: Stacy Kuiper Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? In-Reply-To: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 493 Stacy, Put an entry in the ./mail/aliases file and run newaliases per the directions in the aliases file. Roman On 23 Mar 1995, Stacy Kuiper wrote: > > Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution > list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone > on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix > to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. > > Help? Tell me how to deal with this? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 22 23:35:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24712; Wed, 22 Mar 95 23:35:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07449; Wed, 22 Mar 95 23:27:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07443; Wed, 22 Mar 95 23:27:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrhCU-00038XC; Wed, 22 Mar 95 23:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Message-Id: References: <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com> <3knomc$c1a@news1.halcyon.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:26:04 GMT In article <3knomc$c1a@news1.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: > peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > >I'm willing to be betrayed intentionally by a human. I consider it > >unreasonable to be betrayed by a user interface. Especially when there > >is enough information available to that user interface to do the right > >thing. Software is a lot easier to fix than people. > But what you think is "the right thing" and what others think is the > right thing are different. For example, I think the right thing is > for a mail/news reader to tell me where a message has been mailed > and/or posted and then ask me which of these places, and what new > places, my response should go. That sounds like an absolutely smashing idea. However for messages received via a protocol containing headers intended for another this isn't available. In that case the right thing is to discard those headers, or somehow mark them as "suspect". Do you disagree with that? -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technology Incorporated 'U` 1601 Industrial Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 "Hast du Heute schon deinen Wolf umarmt?" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 01:02:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26888; Thu, 23 Mar 95 01:02:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08706; Thu, 23 Mar 95 00:56:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08700; Thu, 23 Mar 95 00:56:37 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA18352; Thu, 23 Mar 95 09:54:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:54:51 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? In-Reply-To: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 23 Mar 1995, Stacy Kuiper wrote: > =09Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution=20 > list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone= =20 > on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix= =20 > to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. When composing message go to the area of headers; two help lines below=20 will change a bit and you'll see a possibility `^R Reach Headers' (the same= =20 `^R' means read file in the area of the message text!) Press `Ctrl' ang `R'= =20 keys and you will see more header lines including `BCc:' line. Put an=20 alias of your distribution list there. Hope this helps. V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 01:05:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27113; Thu, 23 Mar 95 01:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19264; Thu, 23 Mar 95 01:02:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19258; Thu, 23 Mar 95 01:02:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrigz-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 00:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: 2684169.8963554832153@psg.com(Tellafriend) Control: cancel <2684169.8963554832153@tellafriend.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <2684169.8963554832153@tellafriend.net> Date: 22 Mar 1995 09:47:01 GMT Message-Id: Spam doesn't go down any easier with water... From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 03:38:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01165; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:38:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10686; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:28:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10680; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:28:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrkyx-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill White Subject: Message I.D. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:49:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello. Does Pine have the capability of displaying the message ID in the headers when replying to an article or question in a newsgroup? If so, how does one get this to happen? If not, do the creators of Pine expect this to change in upcoming versions of Pine? Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 03:57:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01661; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:57:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21465; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:48:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21459; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:48:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrlKz-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine HP UX 9.0X port? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:42:24 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3kd8a1$j3s@wage.cyberspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3kd8a1$j3s@wage.cyberspace.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are pre-compiled executables for Pine 3.91 on HP/UX at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin/pine-bin.hpux9 I think they were compiled on HP/UX 9.05 with the 9.03 compilers... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 17 Mar 1995, Michael W Holdeman wrote: > Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:08:33 -0800 > From: Michael W Holdeman > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pine HP UX 9.0X port? > > I got pine 3.89 from CIS but was unable to compile it on my HP9000 > running HP-UX 9.04. Has any body ported it to HPUX 9.XX yet. If so are > there any executables or just source?? > > > Mike > 71501.2530@compuserve.com > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3C18t/IU4uTDdHNAQEQqgH/WzXwvS1fc3rYgUtOsGyEOrgyWdfYTAJC j3U40DeHf+QaoJ2Ck3rwiG8CalBAUlwDDHg1mVcQx4z4/Qk5cpFQlw== =tWyB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 04:03:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01954; Thu, 23 Mar 95 04:03:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11055; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:56:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11049; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:56:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrlRn-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 03:53 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: saving messages with "international" characters Date: 22 Mar 1995 23:26:08 GMT Message-Id: <3kqbmg$4q@news.ysu.edu> References: In a previous article, aplin@alpha.loyno.edu (Mary Aplin) says: >I have a faculty member who receives most of his mail in Russian. When he >attempts to save a message to a file (via save or export) he loses alot >of special characters. This shouldn't be a problem. Pine saves messages as they are received, whether with quoted-printable or just-send-8 encoding. My guess is that most messages are sent from Russia as 8-bit messages. Pine exports messages, if I remember, decoded to 8-bit text, so you need only the correct display and 8-bit clean path. I trust you have the correct font, but Pine passes 8-bit data even when you have not specially set up your environment for 8-bit data. Are you using Unix? If so, what does stty -a show? If you have not set up your environment to pass 8-bit data, you will need to do an stty pass8 or similar. If your problem is that the special characters you mention were converted to ASCII characters, this should be your solution. If not, provide more details about your setup and how the characters are lost or munged... -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) LOAD "SENDMAIL",8,1 driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 05:08:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04168; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:08:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12131; Thu, 23 Mar 95 04:57:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12125; Thu, 23 Mar 95 04:57:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrmPd-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 04:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:35:18 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 21 Mar 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Date: 21 Mar 1995 10:18:17 -0800 > From: Tom Samplonius > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: Stripped addresses and IMAP clients > > > On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, John Gardiner Myers wrote: > > > > Given that zmailer is delivering mail in this rather distributed > > > environment, my feeling is that what it should be doing (and what any > > > MTA should be doing), given the increased use of remote protocols such > > > as IMAP to read mail, is not reducing e-mail addresses to the bare > > > minimum, with the resulting ambiguity, but rather, the MTA should > > > instead always be completing incomplete e-mail addresses. Comments? > > > > I agree with you completely. Zmailer should not be gratuitously > > rewriting a perfectly valid, RFC 822 conforming, address into > > something which is not even syntactically valid. > > I think the problem rests with the fact that the IMAP server pipes the > mail into sendmail. On Zmailer systems, sendmail is just a stub > program. I believe that it assumes that all mail submitted is local. > Huh? I don't know of any IMAP servers that call sendmail either directly or indirectly. IMAPd reads folders that the MTA writes, but that is as close as they get. > The best fix is to hack the IMAP server to submit mail directly into > $POSTOFFICE/router > Sending mail is done from the MUA (e.g. Pine), not the IMAP server. Pine assumes that "sendmail" is available by default, but you can always set smtp-server to have it bypass the direct call... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3C0P9/IU4uTDdHNAQExbwIApdviKy2lYEY6+lp2IG7YMnoBpAM/L373 rUOK3mhCAHXIK9Sld7aGlR3wo/0YZ9da0zD8dWKWKtWRZvxdPx8cPQ== =Zy8h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 05:55:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05392; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:55:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23148; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:34:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23142; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:34:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrmxc-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Brad Segal Subject: Highlighting on an HP Date: 23 Mar 1995 13:03:04 GMT Message-Id: <3krri8$erq@hardcopy.ny.jpmorgan.com> References: <3kd8a1$j3s@wage.cyberspace.com> Hi, I use Pine on an HP 712. I got the compiled distribution from the Washington site (not sure what version). Whenever I start pine in an hpterm and go to my inbox, if I scroll down, the highlight stays on the first item and continues to shade the items without unhighlighting the previous ones. This is kind of annoying. I do a -L to clean up but is there anyhting that can be done to prevent this from happening? This happens on ALL screens not just the initial. Please e-mail. I can post a followup if anyone else has this problem. Thanks, Brad From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 06:04:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05740; Thu, 23 Mar 95 06:04:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23334; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:49:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23328; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:49:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrnCK-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ananda@cs.utexas.edu (Ananda M. Kar) Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? Date: 22 Mar 1995 22:01:54 -0600 Message-Id: <3kqrri$d76@paducah.cs.utexas.edu> References: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> [ stkst6+@pitt.edu (Stacy Kuiper) wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ] -> Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution -> list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone -> on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix -> to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. -> -> Help? Tell me how to deal with this? Once you're in the Compose screen. Goto the top by hitting "Ctrl-Y". twice. After you're in the "To: " prompt hit "Ctrl-R" {holding down the Control and R key simaltenously}. Another field will appear called "Bcc: " put the receipient's list there. Address the mail to yourself by placing your name on the "To: " list so nobody else will see the list but get the mails. Say you're sending mail to a bunch of people who you've aliased as "list1". Here's what you should type: To: stkst6+@pitt.edu Cc: Bcc: list1 Subject: Foo Good Luck. Ananda -- Ananda M. Kar |(H)458-9754 | URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/ananda/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am Pentium of Borg , Division is futile , You will be Approximated From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 06:19:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06132; Thu, 23 Mar 95 06:19:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12811; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:49:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12805; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:49:09 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrnBl-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 05:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: olly@mantis.co.uk (Olly Betts) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 23 Mar 1995 12:59:52 -0000 Message-Id: <19950323124028.olly@mantis.co.uk> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk> <3kq7o8$o02@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <3kq7o8$o02@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, John Stanley wrote: >In article <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk>, >Olly Betts wrote: >>So I could easily reference future messages if I actually wanted to. I >>could send a large message in several chunks, such that each message >>references all the others. > >So could you in news. If you want to create your own, you can make them >link however you want. Indeed. However, if it's mail, this is perfectly valid by RFC822. In news, RFC1036 describes exactly how to create the references line, and this would be invalid. You could do it, of course, but you shouldn't. I was pointing out that your original assertion: >... it is impossible for a mail references header to contain the >ids of messages that aren't older than the mail the header is in. is incorrect. Not only is it possible, but it's valid. However, if the references line in news is constructed as RFC1036 says, then the messages referenced must be older, and further must be ancestors of the current article. Neither of these is true of RFC822 references in mail. Olly -- Reality is for people who can't cope with reality. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 07:24:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07687; Thu, 23 Mar 95 07:24:33 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14027; Thu, 23 Mar 95 07:13:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14021; Thu, 23 Mar 95 07:13:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rroXv-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 07:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: o6zx@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Emile Thimot) Subject: Pgp? Date: 23 Mar 1995 14:45:01 GMT Message-Id: <3ks1hd$2js@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> Allo, I was wondering if the future versions of Pine will be able to use Pgp? Emile Thimot -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 08:55:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11096; Thu, 23 Mar 95 08:55:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15545; Thu, 23 Mar 95 08:33:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from osf1.gmu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15539; Thu, 23 Mar 95 08:33:10 -0800 Received: from [129.174.22.95] by osf1.gmu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv1) id AA12743; Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:33:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sherry Lake To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine vs. PC-Pine X-Sender: slake@osf1.gmu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using (or starting to use) the Windows version of PC-Pine (3.91). Is there any info on the differences between Pine and PC-Pine? I found out that ';' (select) doesn't work from the Folder List screen, what other features are not implemented in the PC version? Thanks... Sherry Lake George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 11:35:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19498; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:35:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19685; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:23:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19679; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:23:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrsQU-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ramp3800@mach1.wlu.ca (Charles Rampersad u) Subject: Posting to Newsgroups Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 15:46:16 GMT Is there a way to use pine to post to multiple newsgroups? Thanks in advance. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Rampersad ramp3800@mach1.wlu.ca " Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons." - Woody Allen --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 11:52:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20364; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:52:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00572; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:19:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00566; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:19:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrsKt-00038LC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Highlighting with an Arrow Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:51:06 GMT Hello, everyone. I wonder if there is any way I can make Pine highlight a message not with inverse video coloring, but rather with an arrow (->) as Elm can be made to do. Please email me at the address in this article, or post here. Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 12:16:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21598; Thu, 23 Mar 95 12:16:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01635; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:58:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01629; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:58:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrszJ-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dmg@postoffice.ptd.net Subject: HELP: Posts from Pine 3.91 only showing up locally! Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 17:05:08 GMT For some reason, when I make posts with Pine 3.91 they never show up anywhere but locally. I have tested this with posts to misc.test. If I post manually they show up in misc.test and I get autoresponse messages in email. When I post with pine, the message shows up in misc.test locallay BUT it doesn't show up in misc.test when I read news at other sites AND I do not receive autoresponse messages. I have compared the headers of the messages posted with the two messages. The only main differences that I see are in the message-id line and the fact that the pine posted message has an X-Sender line. The message-id line in the pine posted msg starts with pine and a version number. Also, the bit referring to my email is truncated from dmg@ns1.ptd.net to dmg@ns1. The message id in the manually posted message looks more like my real email address. The X-Sender line in the pine posted message truncates my email address to dmg@ns1 ... Any help is appreciated. My guess is that something with the way pine is set up here is causing the pine posted messages to not be distributed. I just don't know what. Reply via email to dmg@postoffice.ptd.net if you can help. Thanks. -- David From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 14:51:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29508; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:51:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23994; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:23:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23988; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:23:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrvGS-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? Date: 23 Mar 1995 22:14:14 GMT Message-Id: <3ksrrm$rag@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> In Michael Pollak writes: >But the bcc: people are all visible to each other. If a message that you send has no To: header, then if it is processed by the 'sendmail' program at the receiving site, it will have an Apparently-To: header inserted listing each recipient at that site. So, for example, suppose 5 of your 400 recipient are at the same site. Then these 5 will see each other listed in the Apparently-To: headers. Solution: Make sure your message has at least one To: recipient -- it could even be yourself. In most other cases, bcc recipients will in fact be not visible. Some broken mail software at a receiving site may not correctly suppress bcc recipients. But in such cases, only the bcc recipients at that site will see each other. They won't see the entire bcc list. HUMAN ERROR: One common problem with bcc as usually implemented is that the recipient does not always realize he is bcc'd, and may send a reply to the message that reveals his bcc status. This can be *very* embarrassing. For example: - joe@foo.com sends email to his boss boss@foo.com, discussing some very confidential company business. Joe bcc's his wife susan@bar.com, since he trusts her, but he doesn't want his boss to know he has cc'd her. Unfortunately bar.com happens to be a competitor of foo.com. - susan@bar.com doesn't realize she was bcc'd, thinks it was just a normal cc, doesn't realize the email contained highly confidential information, absent-mindedly sends a reply which automatically goes to both joe@foo.com and boss@foo.com. - Joe gets fired. One solution is for bcc'd mail to be reformatted to have only a single recipient and separately delivered to each bcc'd user. Then replies from the bcc'd people will never accidentally go to anybody except the original sender. I don't think pine tries to do this. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 15:10:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00184; Thu, 23 Mar 95 15:10:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05851; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:38:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05845; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:38:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrvS1-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 14:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Johnny Swanson Subject: Re: Unix and pine, setting-up news Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <3ka5fv$c22@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ka5fv$c22@news.doit.wisc.edu> 1.Go to Folder List in main menu and press enter. 2. Go under News-Collection-Subscribed, where it says-Select Here to See Expand list press enter. 3. Press A for subscribe and type what subject you are interested in such as alt.restaurant. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 16:16:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03340; Thu, 23 Mar 95 16:16:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27356; Thu, 23 Mar 95 16:09:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ip129179-30-16.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27350; Thu, 23 Mar 95 16:09:18 -0800 Received: by hobbes.twntpe.cdc.com; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:08:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:08:26 -0800 (GMT) From: Ed Greshko To: Craig Werner Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Highlighting with an Arrow In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Craig Werner wrote: > I wonder if there is any way I can make Pine highlight a message not with > inverse video coloring, but rather with an arrow (->) as Elm can be made > to do. Please email me at the address in this article, or post here. If your are running pine 3.9X....go to the setup/configure and find the feature assume-slow-link. From the Help: FEATURE: assume-slow-link This feature affects Pine's display routines. If set, the normal inverse-video cursor (used to highlight the current item in a list) will be replaced by an "arrow" cursor and other screen update optimizations for low-speed links (e.g. 2400 bps dialup connections) will be activated. Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 18:29:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10089; Thu, 23 Mar 95 18:29:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00410; Thu, 23 Mar 95 18:24:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00397; Thu, 23 Mar 95 18:24:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rrz05-00038OC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 18:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: sh: <####> memory fault??? Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:16:35 GMT Message-Id: <3kt314$6fn@news.ysu.edu> References: <3ksk59$ld0@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> In a previous article, jsallen@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) says: > I am sending mail to one of my PINE distribution lists (~50 >people)and I keep getting this error after I try to send it. >sh: (some number) Memory fault. This is because your system is running BSD Sendmail v8.6.10. Ask them to upgrade to 8.6.11, I believe this problem is solved. Or, try to configure Pine to use an SMTP-server, rather than passing your mail to sendmail directly. -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) LOAD "SENDMAIL",8,1 driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 19:50:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12309; Thu, 23 Mar 95 19:50:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12950; Thu, 23 Mar 95 19:44:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12944; Thu, 23 Mar 95 19:44:29 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs0CZ-00038HC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 19:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: park@kallisto.rz.fht-stuttgart.de (Philipp Park) Subject: decode file "xbtoa Beginn" Date: 22 Mar 1995 12:14:59 GMT Message-Id: <3kp4c3$e4s@news.belwue.de> I got a file with the following beginn of a file: binary file follows xbtoa Beginn ...... ....... ...... ....... xbtoa End N 3072 c00 How can I decode this fiel, where can I find the software ( anonymous ftp-server )? It was an e-mail from Bruessel ( Winword.doc ) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 21:29:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15210; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:29:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02996; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:24:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02990; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:24:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs1nf-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:20 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Jorge Paramo Subject: Re: 'New' messages Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 02:33:30 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 21 Mar 1995, James E. Douglas wrote: > > Is there a way to 'remark' a message as being new after it has been > read? I would like to read messages from home using pine in the evening, > and leave them as new so that Eudora will allow me to re-read and manage > them on my PC the next morning... > Something you could do is activate the "read-messages" folder. You can do this in the Setup/Config option (3.91). This will move your read msgs to a new folder located in the ~./mail directory. The msgs get moved as soon as you leave pine (well, actually it will ask you for it, I just have those options to be runned automatically). Hope that helps. c.u, Jorge. _______________________________________________________________________________ "We are all novices. | Internet: paramoj@river.it.gvsu.edu (NeXT) Only the dead have | paramoj@erie.csis.gvsu.edu nothing left to learn." | GRAND VALLEY STATE UNIVERSITY "Procastination is like masturbation; you are only screwing yourself..." http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~paramoj/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 21:41:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15626; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:41:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14519; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:36:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14513; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:35:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs1wC-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Huntley Subject: Re: E-mail addresses Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:17:18 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3kiall$cnr@news.ysu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3kiall$cnr@news.ysu.edu> If anyone knows of the whereabouts of loads of E-mail addresses, please get in touch. I am new to E-mail and any help would be appreciated. Thank you. R.Huntley@Herts.ac.uk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 21:57:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15935; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:57:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03397; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:54:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03391; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:54:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs2Hh-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 21:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cttest@ix.netcom.com (Rich Ruggiero) Subject: Importing addresses into an address directory Date: 24 Mar 1995 05:30:58 GMT Message-Id: <3ktlei$oqh@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Is it possible to import a text file of email addresses into addressbook? I notice that the distribution lists start with a specific code and end with a specific code. Is there an editor that will not filter these codes out upon saving? I am using pine remotely by dialing into te machine. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 22:13:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16465; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:13:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14975; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:09:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14969; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:09:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs2V0-00038CC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: cttest@ix.netcom.com (Rich Ruggiero) Subject: Printer codes Date: 24 Mar 1995 05:33:49 GMT Message-Id: <3ktljt$otl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> I am trying to use the windows terminal program to dial in remotely to access pine running on a Unix machine. Everything works OK except when I print certain messages, I get what seem to be random printer codes in the printout. I am using a HP 2p laser printer. Please post if anyone have any suggestions. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 22:54:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17974; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:54:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04078; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:44:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04072; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:44:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs32r-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hal9001@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:02:44 GMT Message-Id: References: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> In Article <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) wrote: >However I haven't really used Pine enough to comment on it's behaviour. >My impression is that such a program should have one command that >says "reply to sender only" whether in the context of news or mail >and another command that says "reply to everyone who saw this". If >the user is giving the "reply to sender" command (or Pine doesn't >have such a command) and Pine is offering to post anyway, then I >agree that it is broken. If it always uses a two-step command >where the user has to indicate he wants to reply, then give >another response as to where the reply should go, I'd say it is >more confusing than necessary, but probably not broken. Lets take the case of a Private Email Reply being created by Pine from a Newsgroup Article (Note: This is an Email-Only Reply not an Post w/Cc-via Email). The Email gets sent with a Newsgroups Header. It is received by another Pine and a reply is generated. If the user says "reply to everyone who saw this" that SHOULD be only the original sender not the Sender and the Newsgroup but Pine will send to the newsgroup due to the original Pine REFUSING to tell the receiving Pine that the message was an Email-Only Reply. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 23 23:10:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18400; Thu, 23 Mar 95 23:10:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15752; Thu, 23 Mar 95 23:00:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15746; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:59:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs3Fz-00038DC; Thu, 23 Mar 95 22:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ccx009@coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: select/zoom/apply Date: 23 Mar 1995 17:07:05 GMT Message-Id: <3ks9rp$gk9@zephyrus.coventry.ac.uk> Hi, just a note, hoping that someone might have done this.... I find apply/select very useful, but there's one thing missing that I would find really useful.... For example, I have a bunch of messages pulled out via select/zoom. I really would like it if pine would allow be to then bounce each message on the 'zoomed' list onto another recipient, so that if he then replies to the messages they go to the original sender. As far as I can see, the only similar functionality that's offered is 'forward' and this will only forward the messages selected en-masse in a single message, which is fair enough for forward, because they'd all appear to come from the same person if forwarded idividually anyway..... so, will bounce be added to the 'apply' menu at some point.... has someone already done it? enquiring minds want to know. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley, Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 00:28:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20679; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:28:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05306; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:15:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05300; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:15:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs4R2-00038FC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lailert@rohan.sdsu.edu (Supak Lailert) Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: 23 Mar 1995 02:31:28 GMT Message-Id: <3kqmi0$2nl@gondor.sdsu.edu> References: <3k8kvm$91p@server.icon-stl.net> Pat Niemeyer (pat@sbctri.sbc.com) wrote: : Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through : a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using : pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) : : I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the : keys for that area are mapped. : : Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? : (or any other fix to my problem) Instead of ^X you can press ESC twice and then X. This is the way you can workaround your problem. It works with any other key e.g, ^C = ESC ESC C. Hope this help Supak : : : Thanks, : Pat -- -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Supak Lailert -- MBA (IS) Program, San Diego State University >> >> lailert@rohan.sdsu.edu lailert@mail.sdsu.edu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 01:05:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22210; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:05:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17391; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:56:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17385; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:56:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs56I-00038FC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 00:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@monygmc.mony.com (David Kozinn) Subject: Pine claims folder locked when it's not Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:56:08 GMT I've built Pine 3.91 on an system running HP-UX 9.04. I've run into a problem where when pine tries to write the Fcc to the sent-mail file, it thinks that there's a lock on that file and it waits a while for the lock to open (which it never does) before overriding the lock and writing the file. I know that there is no process with a real lock open on that file, and I can't find a file that looks like a lock file either in my mail directory, the spooled mail directory, or in /tmp. I'm running "standalone" (i.e., I'm not communicating with imapd) since this is running locally on the HP system. Any suggestions as to where I might look to figure out what's causing this problem? -- David Kozinn dkozinn@csc.com / david@mony.com Computer Sciences Corporation Under contract to Mutual of New York Technology Managment Group +1-201-907-6990 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 01:09:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22342; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:09:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17481; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:01:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from visla.utia.cas.cz by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17475; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:01:21 -0800 Received: by visla.utia.cas.cz (16.7/16.2) id AA28055; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:59:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:59:28 +0100 (MET) From: Vladimir Solnicky To: Brad Segal Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Highlighting on an HP In-Reply-To: <3krri8$erq@hardcopy.ny.jpmorgan.com> Message-Id: X-Postal-Address: UTIA AV CR; Pod vodarenskou vezi 4; 182 08 Praha 8-Liben; Czech Republic Organization: Institute of Information Theory and Automation (UTIA AV CR) Transport-Options: /delivery /return X-Confirm-Reading-To: vs@utia.cas.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 23 Mar 1995, Brad Segal wrote: > Whenever I start pine in an hpterm and go to > my inbox, if I scroll down, the highlight stays on the first > item and continues to shade the items without unhighlighting > the previous ones. This is kind of annoying. I do a -L I have the same problem. Solved it for myself by starting pine in xterm,= =20 but it is a bit `strange' solution. Any advice will be appreciated. V. S. | | Bc. Vladimir Solnicky (Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD using ISO 8859-1 or 2) | | Institute of Information UTIA AV CR \/ Theory and Automation Pod vodarenskou vezi 4 Department of Computing Systems 182 08 Praha 8-Liben +42 2 6605/2212 fax: +42 2 66414677 Czech Republic +42 2 6605/2364 e-mail: vs@utia.cas.cz Europe WWW (will) be at http://www.utia.cas.cz/home/WWW/data/user_data/vs/vs-home.= http From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 01:25:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22798; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:25:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06360; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:19:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06350; Fri, 24 Mar 95 01:18:52 -0800 Received: from commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:18:43 +0000 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA065836721; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:18:41 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA12011; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:18:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:18:39 +0100 (MET) From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de X-Sender: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: suppressing header fields Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII helo all, some of my mails are auto-forwarded from another host via resend (PP/ISODE). Now the following header fields are displayed when reading the mail although display of full headers is off. Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 04:12:10 +0000 Resent-From: martin.spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Resent-To: zrnsm01@bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Is there a way to suppress these lines? thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Martin Spohn | Universitaet Tuebingen Z Tel. 07071 29 6970 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung D E-mail: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Abteilung Netze V Fax: 07071 29 5912 Brunnenstr. 27, 72074 Tuebingen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 02:16:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24414; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:16:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06966; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:06:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06956; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:06:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs6CR-00038DC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Dr. David J. Rowbotham" Subject: A simple question from a beginner Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:36:32 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the list of messages in the received folder, what is the significance of an "A" appearing on the left hand side of the title From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 02:39:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25042; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:39:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18711; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:30:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18705; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:30:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs6Vu-00038jC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 02:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Message-Id: <950323.083849.3q0.rnr.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 08:38:49 -0700 References: <3kjk75$dfi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kmnvr$nle@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: > Value Meaning > ===== ======= > M mail (but not mailing list) > N news > L mailing list don't we have enough obscurity? how about: > Type: MN Transport: Mail,News > Type: ML Transport: Mail,Mailing-List -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 04:03:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27402; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:03:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19790; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:55:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19784; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:55:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs7tj-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Message I.D. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:56:11 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Do you mean like below? Or do you want the ID of the message being composed? The below is done with full headers turned on... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Bill White wrote: > Path: nntp.cac.washington.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!billw > From: Bill White > Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Message I.D. > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:49:50 -0800 > Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access > Lines: 7 > Message-ID: > NNTP-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello. Does Pine have the capability of displaying the message ID > in the headers when replying to an article or question in a newsgroup? > If so, how does one get this to happen? If not, do the creators of > Pine expect this to change in upcoming versions of Pine? > > Thanks in advance. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 04:04:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27623; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:04:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08379; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:00:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08373; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:00:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs7wj-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:54 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pgp? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:58:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3ks1hd$2js@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ks1hd$2js@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The next release of Pine will have limited support for PGP. Basically, you will be able to define sending and display filters, including PGP... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 23 Mar 1995, Emile Thimot wrote: > Date: 23 Mar 1995 14:45:01 GMT > From: Emile Thimot > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Pgp? > > Allo, > I was wondering if the future versions of Pine will be able to use Pgp? > > > Emile Thimot > > -- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3HS0d/IU4uTDdHNAQFvWQH+NkC1b8Q9uLZTIQZADIeKm74u0NTSI6fh v0t3Qpl+GeYrixVJL1ME3cuWSnnaFvMZUmQztHNQeKJqpSjXA5Q6vQ== =bXKS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 04:13:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28152; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:13:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08329; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:55:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08322; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:55:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs7se-00038LC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 03:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:53:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Actually, The Bcc: addresses should be invisible to everyone. The problem is that some mail transports (e.g. sendmail) will insert Apparently-To: headers for the blind addresses. This can usually be avoided by inserting something in the To: header... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 23:00:18 -0500 > From: Michael Pollak > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? > > > The good news is that bcc: is easy to find -- just press Ctrl-R for "rich > header." (You have to be in the header when you press it; otherwise, > ctrl-r is the key for retrieving documents). > > The bad news that bcc: probably doesn't do what you want it to. > Everything that's written on bcc: is invisible to the people on the To: > and Cc: lines. That's a what a blind copy means, invisible to the normal > addressees. But the bcc: people are all visible to each other. So if you > put the 400 name list in the bcc:, they'll still each get a 400 name > address list. > > I know, you want to know: what's the use of blind copies then? It's > mainly for lawyers. You address to the other party, you copy their > lawyer, and then you blind copy your co-lawyers, expert witnesses, etc. > > Good luck with Eudora, > > Michael > > > On 23 Mar 1995, Stacy Kuiper wrote: > > > > > Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution > > list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone > > on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix > > to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. > > > > Help? Tell me how to deal with this? > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 05:14:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29850; Fri, 24 Mar 95 05:14:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09392; Fri, 24 Mar 95 05:01:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09386; Fri, 24 Mar 95 05:01:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rs8vQ-00038KC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 04:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) Subject: pine , filter , faq Date: 22 Mar 1995 21:16:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3kqsmb$5q9@lacerta.unm.edu> Hello, Is there any FAQ that explains all the "filtering" PINE has to offer or one can do with mailboxes? Thanks, hamjavar@unm.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 06:24:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02066; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:24:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21945; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:15:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21939; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:15:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsA7F-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jsallen@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Jay Allen) Subject: sh: <####> memory fault??? Date: 23 Mar 1995 20:02:49 GMT Message-Id: <3ksk59$ld0@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> Hi, I am sending mail to one of my PINE distribution lists (~50 people)and I keep getting this error after I try to send it. On the right side of the Sending... (highlighted) box it says "sh: (some number) Memory fault. Of course, my mail isn't delivered. Does anyone know the cause of such an ailment?? -j- ______________________________________________________________________________ --- If you cannot convince them, confuse them. --- -- Harry S Truman From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 07:02:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03108; Fri, 24 Mar 95 07:02:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10942; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:52:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10936; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:52:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsAd6-00038KC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 06:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ethans@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Ethan J. Sommer) Subject: mime viewer Date: 22 Mar 1995 03:24:52 GMT Message-Id: <3ko5a4$qo8@netnews.upenn.edu> Are there any good viewers that can be used with pine using linux? please reply via E-Mail to ethans@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu thanx From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 08:04:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05654; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:04:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23679; Fri, 24 Mar 95 07:55:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23673; Fri, 24 Mar 95 07:55:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsBYE-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 07:45 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Abraham Gutman Subject: Inhibit Net Routing Info Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 15:21:38 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to ensure that all the internet routing info which is "added" to the body of a message is inhibitted on *outgoing* messages? I have a feeling this is probably a setup problem of the people I am sending mail to (since I, using pine 3.91, am not getting it). This is a problem for me because I am sending mail to people using cc:mail attached linked to the outside world using a gateway through sprintmail. Sprint is used to get the message to the cc:mail postoffice, which in turn parses the first line(s) of the body of the message to get the local address where the message is going. When all the routing info is appended to the message, the first line is no longer what the postoffice expects, and routes the message to the admin saying: unknown address. [You may wonder why each user doesn't have full access to the net. The answer is that these people are in Colombia where Internet access is not yet very easy to get...] Any help, hints or pointers highly appreciated. Abraham gutmana@jupiter.sbf.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 08:14:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06218; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:14:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12353; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:07:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12347; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:07:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07342; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:07:22 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 23:30:03 -0600 (CST) From: Steve and Vickie Hall To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Small Pine Mail reader for local pc? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:07:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: David L Miller Resent-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Resent-Message-Id: I use pine (and love it) through TENET (Texas Education Network). PINE, I assume, is located on the computers in Austin. Often, it is more convenient for me to download my mail to my local pc and read it off line. I can do this, but each folder becomes a file, and I lose the capability of quickly jumping from one message to the next, etc. If there are 25 messages in a folder, I have to page through the long file until all are read. My question is, "Is there a simple (or not so simple) version of PINE that I can download (I can get files via WWW or FTP), set up on my pc (Windows, DOS, or both), then read the messages off line?" Thanks for your help! Steve Hall From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 08:56:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08176; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:56:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24829; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:47:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24823; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:47:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsCQO-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 08:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ordway@subzero.winternet.com (Ordway Music Theatre) Subject: creating reply to headers in pine 3.89 Date: 23 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT Message-Id: <3ksjq3$du5@blackice.winternet.com> Is there a way to create "Reply to:" headers in pine 3.89? I have read the docs but there doesn't seem to be any mention of arbitrary headers. Thanks in advance. -- ########################################################################### # Scott B. Burchill, Systems Mngr. Management Information Systems Dept. # # Bryce Pier, Asst. System Admin. Ordway Music Theatre # # 345 Washington Street # From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 09:33:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10850; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:33:07 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26061; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:26:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26055; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:26:13 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsD4Z-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yuri@li.net (Yuri Salkinder) Subject: Problem with remote Pine with POP3 Date: 23 Mar 1995 15:10:07 -0500 Message-Id: <3kskiv$o3b@linet01.li.net> Hi, Sorry if this is some kind of FAQ question. I have trouble running Pine accessing remote mailbox on a mail server with POP3. The inbox-path setting in Pine's configuration looks like {mail.server.path/POP3}/inbox. Pine accesses the mail server without a trouble, but it can't parse some of the messages and shows [No Message Text Available] for them in the Index. When I open such a message, it shows full headers including all routing information (which make me think that there is a parsing problem) but no body text. Also, all messages are shown in the Index as Not read and with 0 length, even those messages which Pine can show. I tried this both with popper and ipop3d daemons. The same effect. BTW, in both cases the local access works just fine. Remote access through imapd works fine also. I would appreciate any kind of advice on this issue. Thanks in advance, -Yuri Salkinder yuri@richinc.com yuri@li.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 09:49:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11852; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:49:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14705; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:42:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from greenmfg.ME.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14699; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:42:08 -0800 Received: by greenmfg.me.Berkeley.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13206; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:42:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: "R. William (Bill) Fishburn" Subject: Viewing GIF files w/Pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3kqsmb$5q9@lacerta.unm.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to view .GIF files using Pine? Thanks! +-------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Bill Fishburn | | | Lab: | Home: | | 131 Hesse Hall | 1121 9th Street | | Dept. of Mechanical Engr. | Apt. C | | UC-Berkeley | Albany, CA 94710-1257 | | Berkeley, CA 94720 | (510) 526-9385 | | (510) 643-6512 | | | fishburn@euler.berkeley.edu | | | | | | RUSH IS A BAND! | "...and the wisdom to know | | | the difference." | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 10:03:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12533; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:03:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14969; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:55:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stthomas.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14963; Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:55:17 -0800 Received: from STTHOMAS.EDU by STTHOMAS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #6480) id <01HOIHNK54068Y5O13@STTHOMAS.EDU>; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:56:05 CST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:56:05 -0600 (CST) From: rrlepage@STTHOMAS.EDU Subject: Help To: Pine-bugs Cc: "Richard R. LePage" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, This "newbie" seeking advice on the upgrading of Pine 3.89 to the 3.91 version for Windows 3.1. Have saved the "zip" archive containing the distribution but have not learned the correct commands for creating the new directory and unpacking the archive using the PKUNZIP.EXE program. Can anyone provide these?? Many thanks, Ric (newbie-at-large) :-) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 10:11:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13066; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:11:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15130; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:03:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15120; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:03:03 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA03153; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:02:55 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00538; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:58:58 +0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:58:58 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503241758.AA00538@wizard> To: dlm@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pgp? Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 788 I think many of us would appreciate you giving an explanation of how you have incorporated PGP with Pine. Thanks in advance, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQBVAwUBL3HS0d/IU4uTDdHNAQFvWQH+NkC1b8Q9uLZTIQZADIeKm74u0NTSI6fh > v0t3Qpl+GeYrixVJL1ME3cuWSnnaFvMZUmQztHNQeKJqpSjXA5Q6vQ== > =bXKS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 10:14:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13253; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:14:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15256; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:07:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15250; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:07:39 -0800 Received: from wizard (wizard.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA03212; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:07:32 -0800 Received: by wizard (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00541; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:03:33 +0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:03:33 +0800 From: david@Kwantlen.BC.CA (David Dumaresq) Message-Id: <9503241803.AA00541@wizard> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Display Comment field in Addressbook X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 830 Sorry if this is a FAQ: Is there a way to display the comment field in the address book, or to add a comment to the Full name field that does not get pulled in to the address as a middle name? We are creating a global address book by importing from our college phone book and it would be great if we could include things like phone number and depart- ment. Thanks for your help, David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 10:29:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14230; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:29:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27239; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:15:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27231; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:15:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14448; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:15:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: David Dumaresq Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pgp? In-Reply-To: <9503241758.AA00538@wizard> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Right now I am using an experimental version of Pine 3.92 to sign some of my messages. I don't really want to go into alot of detail at this time, since the interface is still very experimental and changing frequently. But the way it works right now, there are some new configuration variables that allow you to invoke pgp if an incoming message is PGP signed or encrypted. It has another variable to specify a filter to pass the outgoing message text through. There will not be any direct dependence on the PGP program itself, so alternatives can easily be substituted... No, I don't know when we will be releasing Pine 3.92... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, David Dumaresq wrote: > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:58:58 +0800 > From: David Dumaresq > To: dlm@cac.washington.edu > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Pgp? > > I think many of us would appreciate you giving an explanation of how you > have incorporated PGP with Pine. > > Thanks in advance, > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca > Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 > Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 > > "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: 2.6.2 > > > > iQBVAwUBL3HS0d/IU4uTDdHNAQFvWQH+NkC1b8Q9uLZTIQZADIeKm74u0NTSI6fh > > v0t3Qpl+GeYrixVJL1ME3cuWSnnaFvMZUmQztHNQeKJqpSjXA5Q6vQ== > > =bXKS > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3MMKt/IU4uTDdHNAQGUzwIAhGHUZDY9aprxXc7Xt0p70yV+FmuVgiLk FSHEsev8ND3hvNQyCGGvzTi3Pz08X+/sRS57j8i2swuHBJOUtrkK6g== =u4Z5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 10:40:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14870; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:40:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15865; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:31:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15859; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:31:26 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsE74-00038KC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 10:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mike Lipscomb Subject: Re: Must hack pine to change ^X... Where? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:14:40 -0600 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 15 Mar 1995, Pat Niemeyer wrote: > Don't ask why, but I spend a great deal of time reading mail through > a connection over which I cannot send a ^X. I would like to start using > pine, however I would also like to continue to be able to "send" mail ;) > > I've been looking through the source and I can't seem to find where the > keys for that area are mapped. > > Can anyone give me a hint as to what part of the source to look at? > (or any other fix to my problem) > > > Thanks, > Pat Hi, I used to have the same problem. it all depends on your connection to the machine running pine (in my opinion). for example, I was dialing into a Xyplex terminal server then telnet'ing to my Unix box. I had to give the following commands at the Xyplex end before I telnet'ed over to the Unix workstation: Xyplex> set port ansi Xyplex> set telnet type signal request disabled or something like that. apparently the Ctrl-X and some others were being stripped out by the Xyplex until I issued those "set" commands. use the "help" feature on the Xyplex to get more info on that second set command since I'm not exactly sure how it goes. -Mike- ****************************************************************************** Michael Lipscomb Computing and Telecommunications, Room 789 voice: 901 448 5042 University of Tennessee, Memphis fax: 901 448 8199 877 Madison internet: mlipscom@utds01.utmem.edu Memphis TN 38163 ****************************************************************************** From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 11:46:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18805; Fri, 24 Mar 95 11:46:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17198; Fri, 24 Mar 95 11:24:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from atlantic.kutztown.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17192; Fri, 24 Mar 95 11:24:09 -0800 Received: by atlantic (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21872; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:21:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:21:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Lisa M. Frye" X-Sender: frye@atlantic To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: printing in pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running pine3.91 and when users print to attached-to-ansi there is always an extra page printed. When using PCTCP VTW emulation, the extra page is blank. When using Novell LANWorkplace, the extra page has "[4i" at the top. How can I have it print just the message and not the extra page? I am running on Solaris2.4. When printing from a Sun workstation to the HP laserjet, I do not get the extra page. TIA Lisa Frye frye@kutztown.edu Network Software Specialist LMS Annex Room 105 Kutztown University phone: 610-683-4474 Kutztown, PA. 19530 fax: 610-683-4634 "Gossip: The only thing that travels faster than e-mail." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 12:17:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20218; Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:17:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18288; Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:07:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from greenmfg.ME.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18277; Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:07:15 -0800 Received: by greenmfg.me.Berkeley.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12559; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:07:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: "R. William (Bill) Fishburn" Subject: Unsubscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe fishburn@greenmfg.me.berkeley.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 14:22:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26095; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:22:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21175; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:16:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21169; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:16:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsHal-00038LC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: garyj@dewey.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Using Pre-Authenication for IMAPD Date: 24 Mar 1995 14:37:40 -0600 Message-Id: <3kvaik$3s2@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> How does one set up pre-authorization for imapd on Unix? What does the rimapd entry need to be linked to? -- ---- Gary Joslin | garyj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | (512) 471-5446 The University of Texas at Austin - CBA/GSB Computer Services From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 14:29:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26330; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:29:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03129; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:11:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03123; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:11:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsHVV-00038LC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jimkc@delphi.com Subject: Squelching addresses on a cc or address list? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: Hi. Is there a way, when sending a message to either an address list or via the cc function, to prevent the addresses of all the recipients from being displayed in the message header? Thanks for any tips. Jim From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 14:53:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27312; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:53:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03848; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:48:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from greenmfg.ME.Berkeley.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03842; Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:48:05 -0800 Received: by greenmfg.me.Berkeley.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11228; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:47:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: "R. William (Bill) Fishburn" Subject: Viewing GIF files with Pine. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3kvaik$3s2@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! Does anyone know how to view .GIV files using Pine? I thought I read somewhere in the literature that this could be done, but I can't find where I read it... Please respond to me directly. Thanks! Bill Fishburn fishburn@greenmfg.me.berkeley.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 16:00:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29752; Fri, 24 Mar 95 16:00:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23142; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:53:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23136; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:53:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsJ4W-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:56:57 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I hate to perpetuate this thread, but I think some clarification is needed... On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > Lets take the case of a Private Email Reply being created by Pine from a > Newsgroup Article (Note: This is an Email-Only Reply not an Post w/Cc-via > Email). The Email gets sent with a Newsgroups Header. No, Pine does _NOT_ put in a Newsgroups: header unless it is posting the message. An Email-Only reply will not have a Newsgroups: header. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 16:01:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29879; Fri, 24 Mar 95 16:01:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04958; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:42:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04952; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:42:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsIxC-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 15:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Dale Huckeby Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 01:20:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3kh3ke$ng3@hustle.rahul.net> On 19 Mar 1995, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > In <3kavav$ioc@efn.org> daleh@efn.org (Dale Huckeby) writes: > > >I rarely reply to a > >posting "live". It takes me too long to sort out my thoughts and craft > >a reply. I prefer to save _any_ interesting articles to a folder, and > >then go back later and decide whether or not to do a follow-up. > > Conventional wisdom is that one becomes familiar with the discusion > thread before posting a follow-up. Do you agree or disagree with this? I agree. That's *why* I like to wait. When I go through my newsgroups and list groups the first time each evening, I'm just trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff. When I go back later and have only a few posts (selected earlier) to deal with, I can read the thread, study the post I'm responding to, and write a more thoughtful response. And it helps me to have that post and the ones associated with it saved to a folder. > . . . Do think think it would be good advice to suggest to most users > that they first save selected postings, and then later follow up to > them outside the context of the discussion? I think it would be good advice not to set up a strawman so crudely. Why do you insist that following up from a folder rather than from the newsgroup somehow magically takes it out of context? If you wait two weeks, sure, but not if you wait a few hours or even a day or two. Given some of the stuff I read, I'd think it would be a good idea for most users *not* to post until they think about it some. Dale Huckeby posted and mailed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 17:38:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05101; Fri, 24 Mar 95 17:38:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07361; Fri, 24 Mar 95 17:33:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07355; Fri, 24 Mar 95 17:33:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsKfg-00038OC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 17:29 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "J.E. Maxwell" Subject: Parsing error -DATE Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:50:35 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I'm running PINE 3.91 and have recently encountered a problem (new) when posting to newsgroups : After the final prompting querry - "Posting message ....Really Post? it gives a "Posting News ......." followed by a short duration "Error Posting Message :441 can't Parse DATE header" Can anyone shed some light on this ? !~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~~~!~~~~~~! ! J.E. Maxwell | Tel. (916) 752-3164 ! ! Med. Biol. Chem. Dept. | (916) 427-9013 ! ! Univ. of California - Davis | FAX (916) 752-3516 ! ! Davis CA 95616 |e-mail maxwell@krebs.ucdavis.edu ! !========!========!========!========!========!========!========!======! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 19:36:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08923; Fri, 24 Mar 95 19:36:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27281; Fri, 24 Mar 95 19:27:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27275; Fri, 24 Mar 95 19:27:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsMPv-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 19:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: josephg@ios.com (Joseph Gutstein) Subject: Catchup vs. toggle all Date: 24 Mar 1995 17:16:03 GMT Message-Id: <3kuuoj$mel@ankh.iia.org> In Pine, what is the difference betwwen selecting catchup and selecting toggle read all? Thanks, From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 20:15:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09823; Fri, 24 Mar 95 20:15:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09816; Fri, 24 Mar 95 20:12:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09810; Fri, 24 Mar 95 20:12:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsNA0-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 20:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 24 Mar 1995 03:46:45 GMT Message-Id: <3ktfb5$gje@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kjk75$dfi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kmnvr$nle@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough wrote: >So, for example, if a message were posted and mailed it would have >this header: > >Type: MN > >And if a message were sent to a mailing list and Cc'd to users it >would have this: > >Type: ML > >etc., etc. Good idea. But how can you differentiate between a private mail address and a mailing list address? If I wanted to receive my private mail at pine-info@umich.edu, I could. Do you want to have to answer "Is this message being sent to a mailing list?" every time you send a message? -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 22:17:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13218; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:17:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29477; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:12:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29469; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:12:44 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsP08-00038KC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andy@magellan.cloudnet.com (Andrew Willette) Subject: pine on news server Date: 24 Mar 1995 12:39:12 -0600 Message-Id: <3kv3kg$7k3@magellan.cloudnet.com> I'm using pine 3.91 on a news server (inn 1.4). I can read news from nntp fine, but I would like to be able to read directly. I have the news-collection =News *[] but it's a no go. Do I have to specify where the active file and news spool dir is? How? -- andy@cloudnet.com, Cloudnet: The internet access provider for central MN "Wild beasts shall rest there and owls shall answer one another there and the hairy ones shall dance there and sirens in the temple of pleasure. Bright Red." -- Laurie Anderson (Isaiah 13:21) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 22:17:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13239; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:17:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11471; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:12:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11465; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:12:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsP3s-00038MC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 22:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 23:00:18 -0500 Message-Id: References: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3kqnl8$o6v@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> The good news is that bcc: is easy to find -- just press Ctrl-R for "rich header." (You have to be in the header when you press it; otherwise, ctrl-r is the key for retrieving documents). The bad news that bcc: probably doesn't do what you want it to. Everything that's written on bcc: is invisible to the people on the To: and Cc: lines. That's a what a blind copy means, invisible to the normal addressees. But the bcc: people are all visible to each other. So if you put the 400 name list in the bcc:, they'll still each get a 400 name address list. I know, you want to know: what's the use of blind copies then? It's mainly for lawyers. You address to the other party, you copy their lawyer, and then you blind copy your co-lawyers, expert witnesses, etc. Good luck with Eudora, Michael On 23 Mar 1995, Stacy Kuiper wrote: > > Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution > list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone > on the list. I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix > to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this. > > Help? Tell me how to deal with this? > > __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 24 23:58:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15743; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:58:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00837; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:54:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00831; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:54:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsQae-00038KC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: T Chuck Hazzard Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 13 Mar 1995, Donna or Andy wrote: > When I first set up my pine mailer to view newsgroups, it had > automatically subscribed me to a kazillion groups, a zillion of which I > have no interest in. How do I unsubscribe to them all quickly so I can > then subscribe to the ones I want? It is so slow removing them one at a time. > > Donna Nuke your .newsrc file and recreate it with only those newsgroups you wish to subscribe to. Enjoy...cHaz T. Chuck Hazzard, JD /Internet: hazbro@biddeford.com Biddeford Internet /Voice: 207.756.8770 120 Exchange St., Ste. 204 /Data: 207.756.8774 Portland, ME 04101 /Data: 207.286.1220 http://www.biddeford.com/~hazbro/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 00:00:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15817; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:00:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12751; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:57:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12745; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:57:48 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsQeD-00038HC; Fri, 24 Mar 95 23:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Inhibit Net Routing Info Date: 25 Mar 1995 00:15:39 GMT Message-Id: <3kvnbb$2du@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3ksord$cer@piston.ecp.fr> In article <3ksord$cer@piston.ecp.fr>, Farzad FARID wrote: >Abraham Gutman (gutmana@jupiter.sbf.com) wrote: >: Is there a way to ensure that all the internet routing info which is >: "added" to the body of a message is inhibitted on *outgoing* messages? I >: have a feeling this is probably a setup problem of the people I am >: sending mail to (since I, using pine 3.91, am not getting it). > You have no control over these fields. They are automatically added >by each mail gateway your mail goes through (the sendmail program usually). >The problem lies in the sprintlink gateway. That is not correct. Sendmail does not do anything to the body of a message. The routing information that sendmail and smail and other SMTP mailers adds is in the headers. >: Any help, hints or pointers highly appreciated. > Well, try asking your friend if their mail gateway is RFC822 >compliant. This is indeed a setup problem on their side. Obviously, if their software is looking for recipient addresses in the body of mail, it is not RFC 822 compliant. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 00:36:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16815; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:36:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01316; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:34:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01310; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:34:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsRC6-00038WC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:27 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@monygmc.mony.com (David Kozinn) Subject: Re: Pine claims folder locked when it's not Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:34:36 GMT References: Well, upon further investigation it appears that the problem is related to the fact that the system that we're running on has short filesystem names (limited to 14 characters). (HP-UX supports long names, but we're using 14 for "historical" reasons.) What's happening is that the locking routine bezerk_lock() tries to create a pair of lock files linked together, but the second creation fails because the name is not unique at the point where the additional info is tacked onto the original file name. Has anyone else run into this problem, and if so, is there a simple solution (other than converting to long filenames)? -- David Kozinn dkozinn@csc.com / david@mony.com Computer Sciences Corporation Under contract to Mutual of New York Technology Managment Group +1-201-907-6990 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 00:37:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16862; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:37:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13202; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:34:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13196; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:34:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsREX-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 00:30 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: pine , filter , faq Date: 25 Mar 1995 08:06:02 GMT Message-Id: <3l0ita$j8j@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3kqsmb$5q9@lacerta.unm.edu> <3ktfud$gnh@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) writes: >Farid Hamjavar wrote: >>Is there any FAQ that explains all the "filtering" >>PINE has to offer or one can do with mailboxes? > >But see Nancy McGough's Filtering FAQ, posted to news.answers with > > Archive Name: mail/filtering-faq > >...meaning you can get it via anonymous FTP from > > rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq Also the Pine FAQ talks about strategies you can use in Pine to deal with incoming folders. Both the Pine FAQ and the Filtering Mail FAQ are accessible from: http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/ -- /\_/\ @..@ Vote for the humanities.misc /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough (----) newsgroup! The CFV is at ( o.o ) > ^ < Infinite Ink ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 02:41:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20231; Sat, 25 Mar 95 02:41:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02962; Sat, 25 Mar 95 02:38:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02956; Sat, 25 Mar 95 02:38:06 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsTBt-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 02:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: odin@anshar.shadow.net (PNEWS) Subject: "=20" at end of lines Date: 25 Mar 1995 04:47:32 GMT Message-Id: <3l0794$g13@anshar.shadow.net> Subject: "=20" end of line characters In not all but in some of the text sent out over a mailing list for which I use a mail alias I get these funny end of line "=20" characters. I don't see them at another site where I also use PINE, but others have mentioned it. Curiously it only occurs occasionally. Reformatting seems to help somewhat but not entirely.. Is this something I can compensate for or is it a MIME incompatability at the receiver's site? Any ideas? Hank Roth odin@gate.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 04:51:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23777; Sat, 25 Mar 95 04:51:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16575; Sat, 25 Mar 95 04:43:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16569; Sat, 25 Mar 95 04:43:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsVA2-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 04:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: pine , filter , faq Date: 24 Mar 1995 03:57:01 GMT Message-Id: <3ktfud$gnh@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3kqsmb$5q9@lacerta.unm.edu> Farid Hamjavar wrote: >Is there any FAQ that explains all the "filtering" >PINE has to offer or one can do with mailboxes? Yes. ---------- Begin Pine Filtering FAQ Q1) Can Pine filter mail based on content? A1) No. ---------- End Pine Filtering FAQ :-) But see Nancy McGough's Filtering FAQ, posted to news.answers with Archive Name: mail/filtering-faq ...meaning you can get it via anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/mail/filtering-faq -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 06:18:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25637; Sat, 25 Mar 95 06:18:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05709; Sat, 25 Mar 95 06:13:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05703; Sat, 25 Mar 95 06:13:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsWZE-00038KC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 06:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: farzy@farzy.via.ecp.fr (Farzad FARID) Subject: Re: Inhibit Net Routing Info Date: 23 Mar 1995 21:22:53 GMT Message-Id: <3ksord$cer@piston.ecp.fr> References: Abraham Gutman (gutmana@jupiter.sbf.com) wrote: : Is there a way to ensure that all the internet routing info which is : "added" to the body of a message is inhibitted on *outgoing* messages? I : have a feeling this is probably a setup problem of the people I am : sending mail to (since I, using pine 3.91, am not getting it). You have no control over these fields. They are automatically added by each mail gateway your mail goes through (the sendmail program usually). The problem lies in the sprintlink gateway. : Any help, hints or pointers highly appreciated. Well, try asking your friend if their mail gateway is RFC822 compliant. This is indeed a setup problem on their side. -- * Farzad FARID Ecole Centrale Paris * faridf6@cti.ecp.fr Save a life, kill an anti-abortionist From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 07:09:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26551; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:09:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18284; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:05:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18278; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:04:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsXKp-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Environment variables in .pinerc 3.91 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:06:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Try printer=a2ps -p -F10 -ns -f -Hmail | lpr -P"${PRINTER}" -l -Jmail |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Helge Meinhard wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:30:19 GMT > From: Helge Meinhard > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Environment variables in .pinerc 3.91 > > We've recently moved from pine 3.89 to pine 3.91. Some 50 people are using > their old .pinerc files, in which there is a line like > > printer=a2ps -p -F10 -ns -f -Hmail | lpr -P"$PRINTER" -l -Jmail > > This was working fine with 3.89 running under AIX 3.2.5 on RS/6000 machines. > With 3.91, however, the double quotes surrounding environment variables are > interpreted differently, as is shown by the response on the prYnt > command: > > Print message 1 using command "a2ps -p -F10 -ns -f -H"mail" | lpr -P" -l -Jmail -? > > Is this a bug or a feature? > > Helge Meinhard > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3CtYN/IU4uTDdHNAQFuswH/VvOJ6TbVz6vYuqM3/hIGaeQ25mWy1a0F va+ZBiU1tEsTDZmuKB331y34ezrVd7ForzyxZFPxedxIcuK+/6Kcxg== =5O+T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 07:10:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26583; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:10:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06320; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:05:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06314; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:05:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsXKZ-00038KC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:00 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: AIX Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:03:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3k8bn4$nvs@news.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3k8bn4$nvs@news.primenet.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Yes, use the "a32" port in the Pine source distribution or get the pre-compiled executables from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 16 Mar 1995, Ken Shepherd wrote: > Date: 16 Mar 1995 03:36:04 GMT > From: Ken Shepherd > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: AIX > > Is there a version of Pine that runs on the IBM/RS6000 AIX platform? > > Thanks, > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken Shepherd __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ > kenshep@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / > / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3Cs2d/IU4uTDdHNAQHf0wIAzsMYJCpI5tj/WWQbCFIT3qUrnoLaqwfq NYiHqwAFE4tyYYnTWVkn7LNzk9T1hNjurS7RFgQi7nC+/cQ/lbxj8g== =ft9S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 07:41:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27212; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:41:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06713; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:38:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from stthomas.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06707; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:38:16 -0800 Received: from STTHOMAS.EDU by STTHOMAS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #6480) id <01HOJR60VIM88Y5SRS@STTHOMAS.EDU>; Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:39:05 CST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:39:04 -0600 (CST) From: rrlepage@STTHOMAS.EDU Subject: help To: Pine-info Cc: "Richard R. LePage" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, This "newbie" seeking advice on the upgrading Procedure for Pine version 3.91 for Windows 3.1. Have saved the "zip" archive containing the distb. but have not learned the correct commands for creating the new directory and unpacking the archive using the PKUNZIP.EXE program. Can anyone provide these? Many thanks, Ric From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 08:04:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27683; Sat, 25 Mar 95 08:04:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18823; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:50:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18817; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:50:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsY0y-00038OC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 07:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@services.more.net (David Drum) Subject: INSTRUCTIONS: How to set up Pine for rimap under Solaris 2.4 and NIS+ Date: 24 Mar 1995 22:51:54 GMT Message-Id: <3kviea$mff@news.missouri.edu> I have figured out how to configure Solaris 2.4 running NIS+ and Pine so that users may access an imapd server without having to provide their password yet not compromising the security of the imap server machine. I hope that these instructions are useful to someone. Perhaps this will go in the FAQ. You may also contact me if you have problems compiling Pine under Solaris. 0) Install /etc/rimapd 1) Reconfigure the Solaris nsswitch.conf The OS must know how to treat login requests. We use NIS passwd entry rewriting to ensure the login security of the server machine. Thus we must tell the OS to use NIS-style lookups. Edit /etc/nsswitch.conf on the computer running the imapd server. Replace the "passwd: [files] [nis] [nisplus]" line with: passwd: compat passwd_compat: nisplus 2) Tell the imap server machine about the machines that will be requesting remote logins Edit /etc/hosts.equiv and add the names of the trusted hosts: host1.your.domain ... hostn.your.domain 3) Configure /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to filter NIS+ password entries This is where the security measures are made. We "rewrite" password entries for users not in /etc/passwd, giving them a different shell - /etc/rimapd - which allows rlogin, but not shell access. Append this line to /etc/passwd: +:x:-1:-1:::/etc/rimapd Append this line to /etc/shadow: +::-1:::::: And you are done! I would be happy to field questions about this procedure. Regards, David david@services.more.net -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 09:58:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00494; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:58:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08339; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:50:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08333; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:50:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsZsz-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 23 Mar 1995 06:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <3kr3el$ivu@hustle.rahul.net> References: <14769@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> <3kffvc$7ae@mercury.mcs.com> <3knomc$c1a@news1.halcyon.com> In <3knomc$c1a@news1.halcyon.com> Nancy McGough writes: >For example, I think the right thing is >for a mail/news reader to tell me where a message has been mailed >and/or posted... >I still think we need a new header (or headers) that would contain this >information. Agreed absolutely. Headers that I have seen suggested in recent months include: Also-Posted-To: Also-Cc-To: >But if I want to be able to do a newsgroup response >to a news article that I receive in mail, I should be able to set a >variable to allow that. Agreed, sort of. It's not of critical importance. I have never had any trouble posting to Usenet something I got in email, or sending by email something I posted to or got from Usenet. It's a simple matter of using one's editor to include the appropriate text in the appropriate outgoing email message or Usenet posting. Thus, although it would be nice to have this done automatically, it's not really an issue in the context of "Why did my private email get posted to Usenet?" There are many different things people like to do. It would be too painful a user interface if there were an option to do each automatically. For example: - sign a message with PGP, send via email to a specific recipient, also post to a local newsgroup with the annotation, "I'm emailing this last warning to XXX. Let's give him three days, then we should consider suing him." - sign a file with PGP, use shar to create a shar archive of this along with some other files, add a Checksum: header with brik, post the final shar to Usenet, and send a copy to a colleage via email with the annotation, "hi, here's something I just posted to Usenet that might be of interest to you, give me a call at xxx-xxxx if you have trouble extracting this". - get 'man csh' online, cut out a few lines, include in a reply to somebody's email, and also include a few lines from a Usenet posting in the same reply There are simply too many things one might wish to do that result in email being sent or News being posted. Ideally an orthogonal user interface will let the user combine activities as needed, instead of trying to present all the options in a menu or querying the user each time about what he wants to do. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 10:01:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00579; Sat, 25 Mar 95 10:01:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20350; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:55:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20344; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:55:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsZz5-00038KC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 25 Mar 1995 10:16:03 -0600 Message-Id: <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> In article , Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >Lets take the case of a Private Email Reply being created by Pine from a >Newsgroup Article (Note: This is an Email-Only Reply not an Post w/Cc-via >Email). The Email gets sent with a Newsgroups Header. It is received by >another Pine and a reply is generated. If the user says "reply to everyone >who saw this" that SHOULD be only the original sender not the Sender and the >Newsgroup but Pine will send to the newsgroup due to the original Pine >REFUSING to tell the receiving Pine that the message was an Email-Only >Reply. I don't think Pine does this. The Newgroups: headers are mostly generated by trn (and perhaps other newsreaders) and they are included whether the email copy is a CC: added with the post (which I think is a nice convenience) or a private reply. The latter case is the problem, and to solve it we need a real standard to distinguish the cases. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 10:31:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01182; Sat, 25 Mar 95 10:31:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08748; Sat, 25 Mar 95 10:24:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08742; Sat, 25 Mar 95 10:24:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsaPl-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 10:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Local pine traffic goes via Internet Date: 22 Mar 1995 23:53:08 GMT Message-Id: <3kqd94$msf@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3ko8cu$2tr@hustle.rahul.net> I, Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) snivelled: : : I am running Pine 3.91, as compiled and available on the ftp server : : ftp.novell.de, on Unixware 1.1.2. : : If I send mail to another user on my system, it is routed via my Internet : : provider and back to my system as a domain name address. : : I can send mail from elm, and it stays local to my machine. : : Traffic intended for the internet works fine, and actually, so does the : : local mail, except for the extra hop or two that it makes. I did not delineate that I was sending mail to "clarence", and had not specifically tried "clarence@nvts.com", although pine seemed to expand to that as it filled in the "Full" name of the recipient. Andrew Josey (andrew@novell.co.uk) wrote: : delivery. The following extracts from the HINTS doc on novell.de Oh, no, not an existing document!! I hate it when I miss the notes that apply to me, when scanning through stuff like this. : A. Add an entry to /etc/mail/mailcnfg : %d=mydom.com I have a line that has DOMAIN=nvts.com. Did I misread this somewhere, or are two lines required, one DOMAIN, and the other %d? : If you have the nuc package installed , edit /usr/lib/mail/mailsurr.proto : # Map all names of the form user@domain : '.+' '(.+)@%d' 'Translate R=\\1' #This is the added entry for user@domain This was missing from mine. : Then run the script /usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/createSurr. Now all seems well. I have sent from pine to clarence and clarence@nvts.com, and they both appeared immediately, and without the added Internet system header lines. elm didn't appear sensitive to this, so elm must do its own checking of the local domain. I thought the fix was a pine-specific fix. Thanks. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 12:18:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03702; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:18:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21983; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:09:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21977; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:09:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsc39-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:03 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: badwine@netcom.com (Ken Malvino) Subject: Pine 3.91 Sort function Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:25:27 GMT When you do a <$> in the index mode you can sort the information by Date Subject Reverse Etc.... but how does pine order the [From] command??? I can't seem to figure out if it is alphabetical or what??? email any information to: badwine@netcom.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 12:48:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04562; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:48:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10405; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:40:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10399; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:40:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rscWe-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tsai@pwa.acusd.edu (Allen Tsai) Subject: mail filtering for Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:35:12 GMT Has anyone in this group configured and installed any public domain mail filtering capable of parsing regular expression on Solaris 2.3? I have no luck for procmail and would like to hear any suggestions and even better of successful stories. Thanks. Allen Tsai tsai@acusd.edu University of San Diego -- Allen Tsai From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 12:52:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04661; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:52:11 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10492; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:45:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10486; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:45:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsce5-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 12:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jiepan@cs.utexas.edu (Jie Pan) Subject: Does any version of PINE/PICO support ispell instead of spell? Date: 16 Mar 1995 18:54:29 -0600 Message-Id: <3kamk5$256@oracle.cs.utexas.edu> Hi friends, As you know, "spell" is a proprietary software of AT&T and one can not get it freely. So far I find pine or pico only recognize spell. Ispell is free and much better than spell, if you know how to make pine/pico work under ispell please help. Thanks. JP From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 13:19:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05301; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:19:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10786; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:10:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10778; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:10:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsd3C-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:07 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 22:48:41 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3kffvc$7ae@Mercury.mcs.com> <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > Lets take the case of a Private Email Reply being created by Pine from a > Newsgroup Article (Note: This is an Email-Only Reply not an Post w/Cc-via > Email). The Email gets sent with a Newsgroups Header. Say what? Pine has never done this. It's technically impossible for Pine to do so, since the presence of the Newsgroups data in a composed message is in itself a request to post to news. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 13:33:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05630; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:33:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22967; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:25:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22961; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:25:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsdHX-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 13:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Muhammad Sulayman Subject: Re: Pine claims folder locked when it's not Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:37:54 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hi, I am having a similar problem w/ Pine on my Linux system. Everytime I try and open my folder (incoming mail), I get the following error: Can't get write access to folder, access is read only. Folder open, Failed. Abort: Permission denied. The strange thing is that my sent-mesages box works fine. And moreover, everything was working fine on my system for nearly a week and just started when I was in root mode. All the old accounts that I had set up for my friends show the same problem: I am told that access is read only for just the INBOX while the other boxes work fine. Why did this problem come up only now? Why does this problem persist even when I reboot the whole system? Thanks. Muhammad From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 14:36:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07110; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:36:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11749; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11743; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:49 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rseHc-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Brian K. Curley (Master of Time & Space)" Subject: Pine w/password Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:52:18 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know how I would check mail via pine on a server that required a password at logon? Brian Curley bkc@axle.adp.wisc.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 14:37:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07164; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:37:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23791; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23785; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rseHg-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Roman Czyborra Subject: Re: International character sets Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:30:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> <3k0gtt$r2a@news.ysu.edu> <17360A49CS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > there is no such MIME charset defined as UK-ASCII. > This has nothing to do with MIME charsets or PINE configuration > parameter values - neither MIME nor PINE had been invented at the > time this misbegotten 7bit code was defined. Barry misunderstood you. You weren't going to send out UK-ASCII. But you could send out ISO-646-GB which is the MIME label (RFC 1700) for that old British standard 4730. My users would be able to read that. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 14:40:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07376; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:40:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11759; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11753; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:30:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rseHl-00038OC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ag786@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry Bouwsma) Subject: Re: International character sets Date: 17 Mar 1995 13:53:08 GMT Message-Id: <3kc484$mac@news.ysu.edu> References: <173649628S86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <1735F11A2FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> <3jmm56$eqb@hnoss.ifi.uio.no> [...] PINE >is rather more ambitious than this, in that it can use a range of >encodings on the wire (as declared in the header) and at the other >end will need to do its best to map those onto the display used >by the receiving platform. To avoid further misunderstanding, let me point out that Pine has no routines for translating a particular character set as defined in incoming mail, or outgoing mail for that matter, to a different character set of a display device. Pine simply passes through all data as the 8-bit characters they are. It would be nice if one could configure the display charset and the trnasport (mail) character set differently, but that would add quite a bit of extra code and tables to translate from one charset to another. In other words, with Pine, the only way to see the correct characters that are intended to be sent is for the sending device to match the display device. (Probably PC-Pine has some translation, unless I'm thinking of Kermit which supports a variety of code pages and charsets.) The charsets that should be used for mail, and thus those for which Pine should be configured, are outlined in RFC1700, although use of regional variants of ISO 646 is deprecated in favor of ISO 8859-1 which covers a wide variety of western European languages. If your character set doesn't match that with which the mail was set, you'll see some characters wrong -- like the British pound for the US $ dollar sign with your UK-ASCII, or the currency symbol (sorta a cross between o and x) on the otherwise-US-ASCII Tesla VT100 clones I used in Slovakia. Anyone want to volunteer to write code to perform translation from a mail MIME charset to a different display charset? It would be very useful... >Well, I now discover that if I consult PINE's online help >information for its character code parameter, it talks exclusively >about its effect on outgoing mail, and does not at all mention the >effect on the display of incoming mail. This seems to me something >of a shortcoming in the information. Pine uses the character set you define in the configuration to tag the message for the recipient. When you receive mail with a different tagging, Pine cautions you that some characters may be different, but goes ahead and passes the characters to your display. It would be up to you, if possible, to change your charset to match that specified in the incoming mail, which is relatively easy to do if running X with an escape sequence. Any volunteers to write code to send X sequences to change the font used when differently tagged mail comes in? There are a variety of MIME-useful charset fonts available from ftp://ftp.vszbr.cz/pub/X11-fonts/ or ftp://ccsun.tuke.sk/pub/font-archive/X11/ for people running X desiring support for additional languages... -- Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care Please direct mail to (MIME-aware) When in Ann Arbor, Michigan this week, visit the 33rd Ann Arbor 16mm Film Fest From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 17:11:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11025; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:11:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25682; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:01:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25670; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:01:01 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsgdd-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 16:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine (*NOT*) Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles Date: 24 Mar 1995 19:06:20 GMT Message-Id: <3kv57c$lvq@hustle.rahul.net> References: In Dale Huckeby writes: >> Conventional wisdom is that one becomes familiar with the discusion >> thread before posting a follow-up. Do you agree or disagree with this? >I agree. That's *why* I like to wait.... >When I go back later and have only a few >posts (selected earlier) to deal with, I can read the thread, study >the post I'm responding to, and write a more thoughtful response. And >it helps me to have that post and the ones associated with it saved >to a folder. Ok, so where (for example) an nn user would simply highlight some postings on his screen, you are actually making separate physical copies of them to achieve the same goal. if so, this is not too bad, though it does seem like a waste of resources. >> . . . Do think think it would be good advice to suggest to most users >> that they first save selected postings, and then later follow up to >> them outside the context of the discussion? >I think it would be good advice not to set up a strawman so crudely. >Why do you insist that following up from a folder rather than from the >newsgroup somehow magically takes it out of context? Because making a physical copy of a posting seems an odd way of "selecting" it. Are we considering "selecting" postings synonymous with "saving" them? -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 17:26:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11316; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:26:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14037; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:21:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14031; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:21:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsgxr-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Posting private mail (WAS: PINE) Date: 22 Mar 1995 22:41:38 GMT Message-Id: <3kq932$qai@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3k10r9$bdk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kjk75$dfi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <3kmnvr$nle@news1.halcyon.com> In article <3kmnvr$nle@news1.halcyon.com>, Nancy McGough wrote: >stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes: >>If Pine saves a news article in a folder and does not put the flag that >>says "this was news" in it, then why doesn't it? > >Right now Pine does not have a flag for messages saved in folders that >says "this was news". I'm curious about a few things: > > * Which newsreaders allow you to save news articles into mail > folders? I know nn and pine do but what about tin and trn? > And what about all the Windows/Mac readers? [T]rn both allow users to save articles in folders in mailbox format. > * Of these newsreaders, which have a way to distinguish whether > a message came via news or mail? Both rn and trn do. When they save an article in mailbox format, they retain ALL news headers, and create one of their own called Article:. E.g., "Article: 21134 of comp.mail.misc" Which checking this, I noticed that the From_ header that trn creates is WRONG. It is missing a space before the date. >So, for example, if a message were posted and mailed it would have >this header: > >Type: MN The only place that could know for sure that something was posted AND mailed is the source. The source cannot know positively that something was not posted. Assuming that it was not would be an error on the safe side. But this leaves us back at the destination being the one creating the flag. (The source can only tell us what it thinks will happen; the destination can tell us how the article actually arrived.) And, since trn already creates this flag, maybe others should follow suit. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 17:31:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11469; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:31:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25992; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:26:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25986; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:26:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsgzd-00038OC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Michael Pollak Subject: Version 3.92 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 06:33:46 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will it have filtering capability? Should I stop trying to master this procmail nonsense? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 17:50:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11938; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:50:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14438; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:46:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14432; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:46:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rshK6-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: tlee@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Travis Lee) Subject: Port PINE to OS2 WARP 3? Date: 17 Mar 1995 17:59:48 GMT Message-Id: <3kcimk$7k3@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Hello..is there stable versions of PINE that have been ported to OS2?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 17:51:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11998; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:51:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26292; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:46:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26286; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:46:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rshLe-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 17:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: FLAVELL@crnvma.cern.ch (Alan J Flavell) Subject: Re: "=20" at end of lines Message-Id: <1736C9D5FS86.FLAVELL@cernvm.cern.ch> References: <3l0794$g13@anshar.shadow.net> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:11:21 GMT In article <3l0794$g13@anshar.shadow.net> odin@anshar.shadow.net (PNEWS) writes: >In not all but in some of the text sent out over a mailing list for which >I use a mail alias I get these funny end of line "=20" characters. Trailing space(s) when mail is transmitted in qp mode. But if the recipient is using a MIME-compatible reader they will not see these. qp encoding is only seen by s/one viewing the raw MIME. > Curiously it only occurs occasionally. Trailing space(s) alone would not cause PINE to use QP encoding, I think. But if it uses qp encoding for some other reason, it will encode trailing spaces in this way. > Is this something I can compensate >for Don't do whatever it is that you are doing to put PINE into qp mode ;-) Somewhere in that MIME is likely to be some other =xx encoding or other reason for PINE to have chosen to use qp encoding. >or is it a MIME incompatability at the receiver's site? Sounds as if the receiver does not use a MIME-compatible mail client. >Any ideas? Please don't say that, it's so irritating! We all have ideas, some are more practical than others... have fun From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 18:10:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12536; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:10:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14767; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:06:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14761; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:06:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rshf4-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: Feature-list Documentation in v. 3.89 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 12:03:43 GMT Hello, everyone. I'm using Pine v. 3.89, and I can't find any documentation explaining each of the variables under the "feature-list" command. I know they're listed (but not discussed) in 3.89's .pinerc file, and they're spelled out in the setup menu of 3.91, but where can their explanations be found in 3.89? I've checked the help for the main and setup menus and also the release notes, and no joy. Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 18:50:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13525; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:50:44 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27081; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:46:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27075; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:46:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsiGZ-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wan@bga.com (WAN) Subject: How to unlock mail Date: 24 Mar 1995 18:51:14 GMT Message-Id: <3kv4b2$o84@giga.bga.com> Pine reports that I only have read access because some other process has locked my mail folder (INBOX). How to I unlock the mail folder since I know that no one else is using it? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 19:47:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14581; Sat, 25 Mar 95 19:47:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15942; Sat, 25 Mar 95 19:41:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15936; Sat, 25 Mar 95 19:41:25 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsj7l-00038MC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 19:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Rahul Dhesi Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 26 Mar 1995 02:18:31 GMT Message-Id: <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kfh5e$h4c@hustle.rahul.net> <3kfmeu$ijh@Venus.mcs.com> <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> In <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >The Newgroups: headers are... >included whether the email copy is a CC: added with the post... >or a private reply. The >latter case is the problem, and to solve it we need a real standard >to distinguish the cases. There is no need to wait for a formal standard. This simple rule will suffice to avoid the problem being discussed: If a message has no Path: header, post no News follow-ups to it. -- Rahul Dhesi "please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 20:15:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15149; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:15:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28124; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:11:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28116; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:11:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsjYp-00038LC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rbabcock@community.net Subject: Re: Upload Messages to pine Date: 23 Mar 1995 21:04:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3ktjs4$sko@odin.community.net> References: william f. gay (ac041@cfn.cs.dal.ca) wrote: : What programme would I use and how would I upload prepared messages to : Pine? I have upload to BBS using an off line reader but how would : you do this on a Freenet based Pine system? Different? : Bill Gay...Nova Scotia : -- In the compose mode, control R (^R) will bring in a file from your e-mail file system from either a shell acct or a slip acct. To do it with out those accts - you have to upload (ANSCII FILE) from you comm. software into the post you're composing. It may put a lot of garbage on your screen but it comes out fairly good on the other end. Send one to yourself to test good luck Ron From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 25 20:25:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15352; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:25:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16427; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:21:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16421; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:21:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsjjC-00038HC; Sat, 25 Mar 95 20:15 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 22 Mar 1995 22:18:48 GMT Message-Id: <3kq7o8$o02@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3jdj0h$pgk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3k1pa3$l66@unlisys.unlisys.net> <3kc2d5$lfk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk> In article <19950317161032.olly@mantis.co.uk>, Olly Betts wrote: >So I could easily reference future messages if I actually wanted to. I >could send a large message in several chunks, such that each message >references all the others. So could you in news. If you want to create your own, you can make them link however you want. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 07:30:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01057; Sun, 26 Mar 95 07:30:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24878; Sun, 26 Mar 95 07:26:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24872; Sun, 26 Mar 95 07:26:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsuA9-00038BC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 07:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Selcuk Ozturk Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:38:24 EST Message-Id: <16040@ftp.econ.pitt.edu> References: In-Reply-To: your message of Fri Mar 24 06:02:44 1995 # Lets take the case of a Private Email Reply being created by Pine from a # Newsgroup Article (Note: This is an Email-Only Reply not an Post w/Cc-via # Email). The Email gets sent with a Newsgroups Header. It is received by # another Pine and a reply is generated. If the user says "reply to everyone # who saw this" that SHOULD be only the original sender not the Sender and the # Newsgroup but Pine will send to the newsgroup due to the original Pine # REFUSING to tell the receiving Pine that the message was an Email-Only # Reply. # This is not true. (At least in Pine 3.91). Private (email) replies to usenet articles from Pine do not include the "Newsgroups" header. So, you couldn't send a reply to the usenet without manually, inserting the Newsgroups value with pine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Selcuk Ozturk Economics Department e-mail: seost2+@pitt.edu University Of Pittsburgh http://ftp.econ.pitt.edu/~selcuk/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 08:21:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02404; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:21:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07019; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:17:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07013; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:17:50 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsuxf-00038BC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KevinSinclair@Computer.com Subject: 'Bounce' Command in Elm Filter? Date: 26 Mar 1995 15:59:49 GMT Message-Id: <3l431l$ep5@hustle.rahul.net> I tried to use the Bounce command you have in Pine in my Elm filter and it was not recognized. What I want to do is filter certain messages to another account, but have all the headers remain the same. Is there any way to do this? Will Procmail do this? Thanks, Kevin -- ---------------------------- Signature -------------------------------- Kevin J. Sinclair, kjs@computer.com, San Carlos CA USA, WWW enthusiast. Visit "The Best of KIDOPEDIA" , A global, WWW-based Encyclopedia written by children and for children. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 08:53:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03225; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:53:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25984; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:47:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25978; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:47:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsvMn-00038BC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 08:40 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stainless Steel Rat Subject: Re: mail filtering for Solaris 2.3 Date: 26 Mar 95 11:28:18 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: tsai@pwa.acusd.edu's message of Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:35:12 GMT >>>>> "Allen" == Allen Tsai writes: Allen> Has anyone in this group configured and installed any public Allen> domain mail filtering capable of parsing regular expression Allen> on Solaris 2.3? I have no luck for procmail and would like to hear Allen> any suggestions and even better of successful stories. Thanks. Procmail works fine with Solaris 2.3 and GCC. Did you follow all the compilation and installation instructions? -- Rat | Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/ratinox | PGP Public Key: Ask for one today! | From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 10:10:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05740; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:10:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08489; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:04:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08483; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:04:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rswY6-00038LC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 09:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: raj@goliath.Stanford.EDU (raj) Subject: PC pine: Can I COMPLETELY configure From: line? Date: 23 Mar 1995 19:34:53 GMT Message-Id: <3ksigt$j3r@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I just downloaded PC pine for Windows, and use it with simple-freeware SLIP offered by NetManage company (Chameleon). It works fine. Now consider the following: Username on unix machine: rsingh Alias in /etc/aliases: raj:rsingh Therefore, mails sent to "raj@goliath.Stanford.EDU" get appropriately forwarded to rsingh. This is OK. What I would like is also to have the outgoing mails to have From: Raj Reply-To: Raj How can I configure PC pine to do this? Keep in mind that I need to have "userid" as "rsingh", to be able to connect via IMAP server. Also, how can I configure PCpine not to ask user name, machine and password everytime? Thanks a lot. --raj -- -- Rajesh Kumar Singh E-mail: raj@goliath.stanford.edu Gauls! We have nothing to fear; except perhaps that the sky may fall on our heads tomorrow. But as we all know, tomorrow never comes!! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 10:54:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07035; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:54:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27732; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:51:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27726; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:51:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsxNT-00038LC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afcasta@millenium.texas.net (Al Castanoli) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe to all newsgroups Date: 26 Mar 1995 17:35:25 GMT Message-Id: <3l48kt$1g6@empire.texas.net> References: <3kccl2$n8h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Mike Brudenell (pmb1@tmphost.york.ac.uk) wrote: : [...] : Some newsreaders automatically check for new newsgroups as they start : up. Pine does not do that at present (it may one day; anyone care to : comment?). : [...] Since you asked, I think it's an awful idea....whenever I'm testing out a new newsreader hack, it hangs up on "subscribe newsgroup alt.fan.foo" or some such (for we all know what a pain it is to run an ls -lt against the index of newsgroup files) until I go in and answer no to the question with my old newsreader (tin). -- Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 26 11:46:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08217; Sun, 26 Mar 95 11:46:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09795; Sun, 26 Mar 95 11:41:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09789; Sun, 26 Mar 95 11:41:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rsy7w-00038LC; Sun, 26 Mar 95 11:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: derby@admaix.sunydutchess.edu (Scott Derby) Subject: Pine Manual Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:30:26 GMT Message-Id: <3kuoii$1rbf@admaix.sunydutchess.edu> Does anyone know of a plain text version of a Pine manual out on the net? Scott From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 01:59:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27095; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:59:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09294; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:48:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09288; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:48:55 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtBLU-00038QC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 26 Mar 1995 14:11:24 -0600 Message-Id: <3l4hpc$26i@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net> <3l2q33$aqs@mars.mcs.com> <3l2tog$2q6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <3l2tog$2q6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Matt Messina wrote: >>>There is no need to wait for a formal standard. This simple rule will >>>suffice to avoid the problem being discussed: >>> >>> If a message has no Path: header, post no News follow-ups to it. > >Requires changing 1 user agent, Pine. Requires it to be changed by the person who didn't know/care about the problem. Seems unlikely to happen whether it is the "right" solution or not. >>How about this variation: >>If a message is not a news posting, be sure it doesn't have a Newsgroups: >>header. > >Requires changing lots of user agents, among them trn and tin (perhaps >you've heard of them). Umm, no. It just requires that the user delete the Newsgroups: header while he has it in his editor along with the text that he is motivated to keep private. But, the programs can be changed too, if someone is motivated to do so. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 02:05:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27248; Mon, 27 Mar 95 02:05:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20702; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:58:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20696; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:58:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtBXY-00038QC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 01:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ted Stern Subject: Desired PINE features [Was Re: PINE questions ...] Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 12:09:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: [Note to newsgroup and CC'd readers -- I found the following personal correspondence quite interesting, and so I'm spreading my reply around in the hopes that it will reach readers who could implement the suggested features in the next version of PINE] On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Stuart Lerner wrote: > > > > > In Pine 3.91, you can postpone multiple messages. When you resume C[ompose], > > you will then be give a list of possible compositions to be continued. > > I can't wait for mulitple message compositions ..... YEAH ... > > Ted, > > I love PINE. Any book where I've read the authors recommending others, I > ignore them. > > Is there an EZ way to copy from another msg. For example I'm composing > to Peter, I want to include a msg I've just written to Susan. > > I do either of these ... I Postpone, go into sent-mail folder, Export to > tempfilename. Then Compose Yes continue .. the Read File ... > Not pretty but it works. > I assume the other part of the "EITHER" is to postpone, export the message you are working on, then forward the other message and include the interrupted message (the same thing as what you do above, but in reverse). > Is there an easier way, short of starting off by forwarding the message. > Sometimes I dont know before-hand I want to include a message.. > > Also are you aware of this peculiar PINE item. If I'm answering/replying > to a message, the postpone it, PINE will not mark that message as "A" = > answered .... > A problem! See below. > Otherwise I love PINE even with it's faults is 1000x easier than ELM. > I would agree, except that I came to PINE from mailx :). > I look forward to your reply. TIA > > Sincerely, > > Stu L. > lerner@netcom.com > I think you are at the limit of what you can do as far as file inclusion goes with what you describe above. However, I think it would be an excellent addition to PINE if it had the following feature inside Compose: Upon hitting ^R, instead of just being able to include a file, or to browse through your directory list for a file, you would also have options to include (a) the message you are responding to, (ii) a message number in the current folder, or (3) you could browse through different folders (including the postponed-messages folder!) to select a message to ^R[ead] in. But I don't see these feature being added too soon, unless I hear differently from one of the other people reading this ;) ... With regard to that second item you mentioned, maybe there needs to be a "P" flag to indicate that an answering message has been postponed. Sorry I couldn't help you directly, but maybe someone else can! -- Ted ============================================================================ Ted Stern (206) 685-9304 Dept. of Applied Math, FS-20 stern@amath.washington.edu University of Washington http://www.amath.washington.edu/~stern/ Seattle, WA 98195 ============================================================================ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 06:32:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04490; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:32:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24181; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:23:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24175; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:23:54 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1 ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA17557 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:51 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA29965; Sat, 25 Mar 95 15:29:30 EST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 15:29:29 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Ken Malvino Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.91 Sort function In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Ken Malvino wrote: > When you do a <$> in the index mode you can sort the information by > Date > Subject > Reverse > Etc.... but how does pine order the [From] command??? > I can't seem to figure out if it is alphabetical or what??? > Alphabetical by login id of sender (not alias). It also ignores case. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 06:50:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04871; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:50:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13076; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:30:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from ns.ge.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13070; Mon, 27 Mar 95 06:30:14 -0800 Received: from mmpcs1 ([3.12.38.33]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA18253 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:30:11 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA28953; Sat, 25 Mar 95 08:52:45 EST Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: Michael Pollak Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote: > > The good news is that bcc: is easy to find -- just press Ctrl-R for "rich > header." (You have to be in the header when you press it; otherwise, > ctrl-r is the key for retrieving documents). > > I know, you want to know: what's the use of blind copies then? It's > mainly for lawyers. You address to the other party, you copy their > lawyer, and then you blind copy your co-lawyers, expert witnesses, etc. > Michael, I take it you are a lawyer. In fact, bcc is used people in the business world, too. In industry we have project teams that need to be informed of correspondence with customers or vendors. At the same time, we don't want to send the outsiders the list of team members, because we want to limit the number of authorized points-of-contact or because the list would unnecessarily clutters up the letter, for example. Regards, Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 08:40:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09275; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:40:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15365; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:30:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15359; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:30:27 -0800 Received: by bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06008; Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:30:05 EST Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:30:02 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Parent Subject: MIME tools To: Pineinfo Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Where can I get MIME tools for myself and my friend in Germany. Seflin freenet automatically encodes binary files when uploaded in my Home File directory; but they cannot be decoded nor viewed even when uudecoded with the tool available in Seflin. MIME tool might just do the trick for me and my friend as he uses Unix uudecode unsucessfully. Thanks. Raymond Parent a016861t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 09:04:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11041; Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:04:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16213; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:58:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16205; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:58:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtI4X-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 08:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 25 Mar 1995 22:20:51 -0600 Message-Id: <3l2q33$aqs@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net> In article <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >In <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > >>The Newgroups: headers are... >>included whether the email copy is a CC: added with the post... >>or a private reply. The >>latter case is the problem, and to solve it we need a real standard >>to distinguish the cases. > >There is no need to wait for a formal standard. This simple rule will >suffice to avoid the problem being discussed: > > If a message has no Path: header, post no News follow-ups to it. How about this variation: If a message is not a news posting, be sure it doesn't have a Newsgroups: header. If you are sending private mail as a reply within trn and want to make sure the recipient doesn't accidentally post it, delete the Newsgroups: line while it is still in your editor. Since the problem seems to be related to someone who knows/cares about the difference between news and mail sending to someone who doesn't, I think there is a lot better chance of having the person who knows and cares do the fixing, which is simple enough in the case of newsreaders that dump the headers in your edit file. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 09:52:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14258; Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:52:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28579; Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:43:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28573; Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:43:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtInG-00038HC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: calfeld@eratosth (Chris_Alfeld) Subject: Re: Pine Manual Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:19:37 GMT Message-Id: <1995Mar24.201937.12081@math.utah.edu> References: <3kuoii$1rbf@admaix.sunydutchess.edu> Scott Derby (derby@admaix.sunydutchess.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know of a plain text version of a Pine manual out : on the net? Look in the following places: ftp: ftp.east-slc.edu /calfeld www: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/creations gopher: gopher.east-slc.edu in "Guides" -- -Chris (calfeld@math.utah.edu calfeld@east.east-slc.edu) Home Page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~calfeld/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 10:47:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17172; Mon, 27 Mar 95 10:47:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19260; Mon, 27 Mar 95 10:38:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from greenmfg.ME.Berkeley.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19254; Mon, 27 Mar 95 10:38:29 -0800 Received: by greenmfg.me.Berkeley.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09159; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:38:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: "R. William (Bill) Fishburn" Subject: Viewing .GIF files with Pine. (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I sent this message once before, but may have confused people by putting ''.GIF'' in the subject header and ''.GIV'' in the body text. Anyway, I would like to know if it is possible to view and/or mail .GIF files using Pine. If it is possible, with which version of Pine? Second, I would like to know if it is possible to direct incoming messages by filtering the ''From:'' line... Please mail any responses directly to me, as I am not on the pine-info list. Bill Fishburn fishburn@greenmfg.me.berkeley.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 11:15:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18880; Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:15:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19957; Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:03:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19951; Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:03:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtK2X-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:01 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: messina@engin.umich.edu (Matt Messina) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 26 Mar 1995 05:23:28 GMT Message-Id: <3l2tog$2q6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <3l1fk3$bcs@Mars.mcs.com> <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net> <3l2q33$aqs@mars.mcs.com> Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3l2itn$atr@hustle.rahul.net>, Rahul Dhesi wrote: >>There is no need to wait for a formal standard. This simple rule will >>suffice to avoid the problem being discussed: >> >> If a message has no Path: header, post no News follow-ups to it. Requires changing 1 user agent, Pine. >How about this variation: > >If a message is not a news posting, be sure it doesn't have a Newsgroups: >header. Requires changing lots of user agents, among them trn and tin (perhaps you've heard of them). -- Matt Messina messina@umich.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 13:25:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24970; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:25:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03447; Mon, 27 Mar 95 12:53:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03441; Mon, 27 Mar 95 12:53:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtLjb-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 12:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ronald D. Kurr" Subject: IRIX 5.2 PORT Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:06:50 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone point me to an ftp/www site that has an SGI port? Either source code or binaries would be fine. Thanks, Ron Ronald D. Kurr Voice: (603) 337-7363 Cabletron Systems, Inc. Fax : (603) 337-7370 PO Box 5005 kurr@ctron.com Rochester, NH 03868 "Opinions expressed are my wife's." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 13:40:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25756; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:40:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23378; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:29:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23366; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:29:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtMHK-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Philip Nelson Subject: Re: Ideas for PINE GUI and libraries (q) Date: 27 Mar 1995 21:18:08 GMT Message-Id: <3l7a2g$pa0@netnet2.netnet.net> References: <199503212016.AA03317@fubar.wang.com> forrie@wang.com (Forrest Aldrich) wrote: > I am interested in any work people are doing to develop an MS-Windows GUI > for PINE. I understand someone is working on an X-WINDOWS version called > Spruce (the author is on vacation right now). Windows pine is already available. I've been using it for a few months now. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 14:18:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28484; Mon, 27 Mar 95 14:18:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05898; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:59:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05890; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:59:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtMlC-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bw@teleport.com (bw) Subject: *Domains & PINE! Date: 27 Mar 1995 13:54:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3l7c69$prs@linda.teleport.com> Hello! I'm trying to configure PINE to reflect my domain name in the "From" and Reply-to" header areas. When I send out email, it reflects my providers domain, rather than my own. I'd appreciate some help - thanks! Bernie -- Bernie Wilt bw@worldimage.com World Image Photographers Association BBS/FAX: (503)626-7215 P. O. Box 7369 Voice Mail: (503)202-0592 Aloha, OR 97007 http://www.worldimage.com/~bw/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 17:00:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08217; Mon, 27 Mar 95 17:00:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29579; Mon, 27 Mar 95 16:44:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29571; Mon, 27 Mar 95 16:44:28 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtPLU-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 16:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdulaney@crl.com (John Dulaney) Subject: Re: Can you fix this prog., please? Date: 27 Mar 1995 18:56:11 GMT Message-Id: <3l71ob$c9q@nntp.crl.com> References: <3kpq9l$7qi@nntp.crl.com> The problem I have is E-mailing 4-5,000 addresses updates of my latest goods for sale. I understand there are programs called listserv and listproc that do this well but I've searched and searched and can't find them. I need a loop program that will send these out in a staggered way so as not to clog my Access Provider. I am on a SUN system and use PINE usually. I need just a few parameters. The prog. itself, the name of the distrib. list and the file to be sent. I've had about 15 programs that were hoped to have worked but the only one that ever did was from a crl, my provider, employee who did it on the side for me and I can't go back to him. The prog. he wrote sent the mail out indeed, but it also sent out my file to the nickname, the last name and the first name of the client before getting to the last line in my .addressbook and sending it out as well. This created hundreds/thousands of bounced mail which crl had to got through by hand. Since an E-mail using only a single name, such as John, will default to a crl address I also seemed to have been sending E-mail to every customer crl has! Crl dropped my access without word to me at that point but I made it right until I next err. The next time this happens I'll lose my connection with crl permanently. As I am not a programmer and very poor at techy things I need a program that will work without further tinkering by me. To test it you could use the test file I've enclosed and create in your .addressbook a distrib. list with my address typed in 3 X. Boy, I don't ask much, do I? Below or attached are various attempts by others to help me. Perhaps some would even work if I was using the correct chmod. I've used a+x a+u but that prob. doesn't mean much. Your kind help will be forever remembered by me. Thanks for even reading the above. Best, John -- * FREE shareware and latest CD-ROM/Computer gear for sale at my * * WWW WEB PAGE http://www.xmission.com/~wwwads/mind/logic.html * * Catalog E-mailed catalog as text, zipped, UUEncoded etc. Or: * * ftp site : ftp.xmission.com /pub/users/w/wwwads/logic.zip * * E-mail for catalog: jdulaney@crl.com A nice guy in California * * Plug for friend: Blind or seeing impaired? Ask for Scat95.zip * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 19:36:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14751; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:36:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14156; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:31:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14150; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:31:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtRxj-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: haleysj@hiram.edu (Random) Subject: Ultrix compile error: need -lauth. Where can I find this? Message-Id: <1995Mar27.220300@hiramb> Date: 27 Mar 95 22:03:00 -0400 Hello there... I was just installing Pine on an Ultrix system, and ran into an error. It faulted on an -lauth argument. How can I get this library? Sorry if this is a trivial or unrelated question, I am somewhat new to mail and system administration. Thanks in advance. -- Steve Haley ...................*****************************************.................... haleysj@hiramf.hiram.edu haleysj@hiram.edu bm711@cleveland.freenet.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 21:26:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17746; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:26:22 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04743; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:16:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04735; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:16:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtTbI-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:13 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Ronald D. Kurr" Subject: HELP: IMAP Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:38:54 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just download PC-PINE and have noticed that it requires an IMAP server. I noticed that there is an imapd binary that came with the unix distribution. Our MIS department has never heard of IMAP and doesn't know how to set up an IMAP server. Can somebody point me to a faq/web page that describes the process. I would really like give people here at a work an alternative to CC:Mail. Thanks, Ron Ronald D. Kurr Voice: (603) 337-7363 Cabletron Systems, Inc. Fax : (603) 337-7370 PO Box 5005 kurr@ctron.com Rochester, NH 03868 "Opinions expressed are my wife's." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 21:31:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17862; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:31:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15893; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:20:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15887; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:20:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtTgp-00038LC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Version 3.92 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:16:11 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: No, Pine 3.92 will not include filtering... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote: > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 06:33:46 -0500 > From: Michael Pollak > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Version 3.92 > > > Will it have filtering capability? Should I stop trying to master this > procmail nonsense? > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 21:35:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18027; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:35:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04856; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:25:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04850; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:25:02 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtTji-00038LC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 21:22 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrea@pX1.stfx.ca (John Andrea) Subject: Re: how to read mime mail in pine Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:16:59 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1995Mar16.020736.8731@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_wcyaa@uxmail.ust.hk (Wong Chung Yin) writes: > As i know, pine can help me to read the mime format mail, but how to configute to read the mime format , pls tell me. On a related issue. Does anyone have a good description of tools and formats that are commonly used for converting binary files to ascii for transfer. Something that would be good for a Help Desk person to have to help recognize an encoded mail message. And pointers to the tools, for instance binhex for unix, off-line mime conversion, etc. thanks -- __________________________________________________________________ John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 http://www.stfx.ca/people/jandrea/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 22:15:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19249; Mon, 27 Mar 95 22:15:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16569; Mon, 27 Mar 95 22:05:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16563; Mon, 27 Mar 95 22:05:08 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtUOD-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 22:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Subject: xterm compatibility instead of full GUI? Date: 27 Mar 1995 18:38:10 GMT Message-Id: <3l70mi$br9@gate.sinica.edu.tw> It would probably be a lot easier to add xterm mouse capability into the next version of Pine instead of hacking out a full GUI. I think this would be a popular item among the growing number of people who run FreeBSD or NetBSD or Linux at home and XFree86 as the windowing system. Very changes would have to be made to the existing interface and the mouse support would be completely transparent to those using Pine on a text console or over a VT-100 dialup. Look at strn, mc and utree as examples. How about it, Pine people? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 27 23:11:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20911; Mon, 27 Mar 95 23:11:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06353; Mon, 27 Mar 95 23:01:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06347; Mon, 27 Mar 95 23:01:30 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtVDf-00038BC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 22:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Comment field in addressbooks Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:52:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3l5u0q$fsi@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3l5u0q$fsi@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Such a feature is coming in the next release... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 27 Mar 1995, Klaus Wacker wrote: > Date: 27 Mar 1995 08:46:18 GMT > From: Klaus Wacker > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Comment field in addressbooks > > Is there any reasonable way to look at the comment field of > addressbooks? The only way I found so far was to try to edit it. It > would be nice To have something like a 'wide' view of addressbooks > which shows also the fcc and comment fields. > > -- > > | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE > | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V > |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund > | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund > +49 (231) 755 3587 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3clfd/IU4uTDdHNAQHFSAIAuE99M77f+95FGXQqeUfbfhwiw3upLtX9 Ibqr4aa5x5eq3QaEJq+gRHRHbLY5Ya/32G7HRfog9j9H4r2oxgrCqg== =pnmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 03:46:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27966; Tue, 28 Mar 95 03:46:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21194; Tue, 28 Mar 95 03:39:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21188; Tue, 28 Mar 95 03:39:39 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtZWI-00038MC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 03:33 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bquam@wimsey.com (Byron Quam) Subject: Pine Listserv? Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:27:19 -0800 Message-Id: I know I should wait for the FAQ to appear but...I'm impatient. Does anyone know of a Pine discussion LISTSERV and its name. Thank you very much. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 07:02:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03729; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:02:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13052; Tue, 28 Mar 95 06:51:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13046; Tue, 28 Mar 95 06:51:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtcb3-00038RC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 06:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Comment field in addressbooks Date: 27 Mar 1995 08:46:18 GMT Message-Id: <3l5u0q$fsi@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Is there any reasonable way to look at the comment field of addressbooks? The only way I found so far was to try to edit it. It would be nice To have something like a 'wide' view of addressbooks which shows also the fcc and comment fields. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 08:01:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05799; Tue, 28 Mar 95 08:01:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14152; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:53:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14146; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:53:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtdRd-00038HC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:44 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: farzy@farzy.via.ecp.fr (Farzad FARID) Subject: Bug? Removing Incoming folder *deletes* folder... Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:14:48 GMT Message-Id: <3l95ko$840@piston.ecp.fr> This is with Pine 3.91. I had an Incoming Folder that I wanted to remove from this list. So I selected Delete, but this did actually *physically* remove my folder! I think there is a bit of inconsistence in the interface: I can create an incoming folder with Pine, but if I want to remove it from the Incoming folder list *without* actually deleting it I have to edit manually .pinerc. Could this be changed in a future release? -- * Farzad FARID Ecole Centrale Paris * faridf6@cti.ecp.fr Save a life, kill an anti-abortionist From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 08:01:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05821; Tue, 28 Mar 95 08:01:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25234; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:53:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25228; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:52:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtdQV-00038ZC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 07:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: wacker@kant.Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Klaus Wacker) Subject: Use Fcc also for incoming mail? Date: 27 Mar 1995 09:09:14 GMT Message-Id: <3l5vbq$fsi@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Would it be possible to use the folder defined in the fcc field of the addressbook also for incoming mail? I would find this very useful because I would like to have incoming and outgoing mail for the same correspondant in one folder. I realise that it wouldn't be completely trivial to implement. As far as I can see, the only way pine now retrieves information from the addressbook is by nickname. One would have to add a mechanism for lookup-by-address. It can be done, the MUA I used to use under VM/CMS has this feature. -- | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund +49 (231) 755 3587 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 09:31:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11563; Tue, 28 Mar 95 09:31:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17091; Tue, 28 Mar 95 09:18:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17085; Tue, 28 Mar 95 09:18:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06487; Tue, 28 Mar 95 09:18:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Klaus Wacker Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Use Fcc also for incoming mail? In-Reply-To: <3l5vbq$fsi@nx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There will be a "saved-msg-name-rule" called by-fcc-of-from in the next release. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 27 Mar 1995, Klaus Wacker wrote: > Would it be possible to use the folder defined in the fcc field of the > addressbook also for incoming mail? I would find this very useful > because I would like to have incoming and outgoing mail for the same > correspondant in one folder. > > I realise that it wouldn't be completely trivial to implement. As far > as I can see, the only way pine now retrieves information from the > addressbook is by nickname. One would have to add a mechanism for > lookup-by-address. It can be done, the MUA I used to use under VM/CMS > has this feature. > > -- > > | / | | | | | wacker@Physik.Uni-Dortmund.DE > | / | _ __ | | | _ _ | _ _ Klaus Wacker, Exp.Physik V > |/\ | _\ | | (_ | | | _\ / |_) /_) | Uni Dortmund > | \_|_(_|_|_|___) |_|_|_(_|_\__| \_/\___| D-44221 Dortmund > +49 (231) 755 3587 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 11:38:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17535; Tue, 28 Mar 95 11:38:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01444; Tue, 28 Mar 95 11:27:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01438; Tue, 28 Mar 95 11:26:58 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtgs2-00038BC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 11:24 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Tom McKenna Subject: Help downloading newsgroup messages into home directory Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 14:49:47 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to download messages from my newsgroups into my home directory so I can then download to my PC (a task i have already conquered) but when I export the messages to a text file, they end up in limbo. I've heard something about a .rtin directory ? What is that and how do I use it, and where does it go? Thanks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 14:51:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27876; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:51:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26226; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:47:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26220; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:47:21 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtk2K-00038MC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:46 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: george_mansoor@csun.edu (George Mansoor) Subject: SCO Unix port of Pine Date: 28 Mar 1995 16:57:38 GMT Message-Id: <3l9f62$ut@dewey.csun.edu> Does anyone know if a compiled version of pine for SCO Unix is around? Thanks George From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 15:16:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28731; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:16:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07715; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:58:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07709; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:58:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtk7q-00038MC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 14:52 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gpl@gauss.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jerry Lynch) Subject: Re: how to read mime mail in pine Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:13:34 -0500 Message-Id: References: I too would like to know if there is any way to get pine to decode BINHEX attachments. I have lots of friends using Macs & PCs who send BINHEX attachments to me (I use unix) that I can't access. (Or can I?) Can anyone help? By the same token, most of them claim they can't access attachments that I send them. Jerry On 27 Mar 1995, John Andrea wrote: > cs_wcyaa@uxmail.ust.hk (Wong Chung Yin) writes: > > As i know, pine can help me to read the mime format mail, but how to configute to read the mime format , pls tell me. > > > On a related issue. > Does anyone have a good description of tools and formats that are > commonly used for converting binary files to ascii for transfer. > Something that would be good for a Help Desk person to have to help > recognize an encoded mail message. > And pointers to the tools, for instance binhex for unix, off-line mime > conversion, etc. > > thanks > -- > __________________________________________________________________ > John Andrea St. Francis Xavier Univ. > University Computer Services Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5 > http://www.stfx.ca/people/jandrea/ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 15:20:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29024; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:20:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26562; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:02:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26556; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:02:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtkHC-00038MC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: xterm compatibility instead of full GUI? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:24:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3l70mi$br9@gate.sinica.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3l70mi$br9@gate.sinica.edu.tw> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It'll be in the next release... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 27 Mar 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > Date: 27 Mar 1995 18:38:10 GMT > From: Brian Tao > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: xterm compatibility instead of full GUI? > > It would probably be a lot easier to add xterm mouse capability > into the next version of Pine instead of hacking out a full GUI. I > think this would be a popular item among the growing number of people > who run FreeBSD or NetBSD or Linux at home and XFree86 as the > windowing system. Very changes would have to be made to the existing > interface and the mouse support would be completely transparent to > those using Pine on a text console or over a VT-100 dialup. Look at > strn, mc and utree as examples. > > How about it, Pine people? > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBL3dXT9/IU4uTDdHNAQFPDwH9GRCX0dxAndnWNVNv+rOTrfqlCxre3lWi 8elitCG7sbhBHj58O5R31Z0lHBSsERZQceF/VnImvVhnHkvXuBrHqg== =IiDJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 15:57:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00707; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:57:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08988; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:45:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08982; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:45:00 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtkrN-00038MC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 15:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: The Avenger Subject: Q:How to pipe multiple articles? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:10:19 GMT I'm running PINE 3.91 under Sol 2.3 and I'm having trouble piping multiple articles to a unix command. If I pipe them one at a time, the pipe seems to be working correctly. I select the articles I want uudecode, then I do an apply | and enter uudecode. What I get back is a message telling me that there's been an error in piping the articles. As I said, if I only pipe one article it works fine, but there are an awful lot of posts that are multi-part and I end up having to save (which works fine so I don't think its an aggregate command problem) and then uudecode manually. Is this a bug, a feature, or do I need further education? Mike Mize mike_mize@csufresno.edu "...To defend, this is the pact. CCMS MS #93 mondman@csufresno.edu But when life loses its value, 2225 E San Ramon Unix Support/Sys. Admin. and is taken for naught, then Fresno, Ca. 93740 The Token Conservative the pact is, to avenge..." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 19:20:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08628; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:20:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02002; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:15:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01993; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:15:36 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rto9i-00038HC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:10 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: xterm compatibility instead of full GUI? Date: 28 Mar 95 00:55:43 GMT Message-Id: References: <3l70mi$br9@gate.sinica.edu.tw> taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) writes: > It would probably be a lot easier to add xterm mouse capability >into the next version of Pine instead of hacking out a full GUI. I >think this would be a popular item among the growing number of people >who run FreeBSD or NetBSD or Linux at home and XFree86 as the >windowing system. Very changes would have to be made to the existing >interface and the mouse support would be completely transparent to >those using Pine on a text console or over a VT-100 dialup. Look at >strn, mc and utree as examples. Also nn 6.5b3 and jove 4.16. > How about it, Pine people? >-- >Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao >taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 19:37:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09259; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:37:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13711; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:30:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13705; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:30:33 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtoOo-00038OC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jdulaney@crl.com (John Dulaney) Subject: WHERE to find listserv/listproc? Date: 29 Mar 1995 02:31:09 GMT Message-Id: <3lagpe$frp@nntp.crl.com> I've serached and searched! All help - MANY THANKS! John -- * FREE shareware and latest CD-ROM/Computer gear for sale at my * * WWW WEB PAGE http://www.xmission.com/~wwwads/mind/logic.html * * Catalog E-mailed catalog as text, zipped, UUEncoded etc. Or: * * ftp site : ftp.xmission.com /pub/users/w/wwwads/logic.zip * * E-mail for catalog: jdulaney@crl.com A nice guy in California * * Plug for friend: Blind or seeing impaired? Ask for Scat95.zip * From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 19:37:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09280; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:37:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13769; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:32:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from scuzzy.fmmo.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13763; Tue, 28 Mar 95 19:32:00 -0800 Received: (from 2loups@localhost) by scuzzy.fmmo.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA02697; Sun, 1 Jan 1989 17:12:01 +1130 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1989 17:12:01 +1130 (???) From: "Compagnie des deux Loups Inc." <2loups@scuzzy.fmmo.ca> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: help needed on header showing date of 1989 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mail I am sending are all dated 1989 and showing any hour of day. Why ??? My computer clock is set properly??? Thank you! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 20:34:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11298; Tue, 28 Mar 95 20:34:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03315; Tue, 28 Mar 95 20:30:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03309; Tue, 28 Mar 95 20:30:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtpKZ-00038OC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 20:26 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: lesr368767@aol.com (LesR368767) Subject: forwarding e-mail Date: 28 Mar 1995 11:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: <3l9eec$6i6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Does anyone know of a way to configure PINE 3.91 to automatically forward incoming mail to another internet address. I have heard that there is something like ".FORWARD" that you can put in your address book but I have no specifics. If not does anyone know if this can be done on a unix server before the message ever gets to PINE? Please reply to LesR368767@aol.com or lrockwel@neptune.esc.k12.in.us Thanks LR From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 28 21:57:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13598; Tue, 28 Mar 95 21:57:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15819; Tue, 28 Mar 95 21:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15813; Tue, 28 Mar 95 21:45:51 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rtqVO-00038HC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 21:41 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: david@monygmc.mony.com (David Kozinn) Subject: Re: how to read mime mail in pine Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:35:51 GMT References: <1995Mar16.020736.8731@uxmail.ust.hk> In article , David L Miller wrote: > >Pine handles MIME pretty much transparently. You don't need to configure >anything unless you want to set up viewers for special MIME types, etc. Can you give an example of how, for example, I'd add in a type for an Excel spreadsheet (file extension .XLS) so that if I asked to View that file it would pull up excel as the viewer? I understand the basics of the mailcap file, but I don't understand how to add a new mime type so that when the file is attached to the message, Pine knows to specify the type as (for example) "application/excel". Thanks.... -- David Kozinn dkozinn@csc.com / david@mony.com Computer Sciences Corporation Under contract to Mutual of New York Technology Managment Group +1-201-907-6990 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 00:41:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18069; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:41:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06729; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:33:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06723; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:33:30 -0800 Received: from [204.95.26.1] by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02230; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:33:01 -0800 Received: from eobytes.com by eobytes.com with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #20) id m0rtrcm-0004KhC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:53 CST Received: by weasel.eobytes.com (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #20) id m0rtrhy-0004ABC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 00:58 CST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 00:58:25 -0600 (CST) From: Gary Noles To: Pine-Info List Subject: Help... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- While Pine is planning to include support for PGP and the like in then next release, I was wondering if anyone has come up with a workaround for *nix type systems and if you would please forward any and all hints to me at the below address. Thanks! +========================================================================+ | Gary Noles | Programmers delight in | | gnoles@eobytes.com | my ability to completely | | Author of the new book, "rm -r /" | destroy the operating sys. | +========================================================================+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3kFAmoOtMPJfJ/5AQGFcgQAgM0aEvk72SDD7hafV37y5GACnYe1DB4B 3HOQfMgKltw9efWKlRphxMHUY+2buJC4bMfIoBAp9GFOoMPexlq41EWV3664KW8o tc2nPd+0ce0bxVLy/YQ9LKv+aa2LoO6dAjZZMvs3I2l/lsrdB6zF3F3M25sHSB1G QgJcySr9yD4= =mtq8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 05:26:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27294; Wed, 29 Mar 95 05:26:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11061; Wed, 29 Mar 95 05:15:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11037; Wed, 29 Mar 95 05:15:46 -0800 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetD-2.5.1.d) via EUnet id OAA07904; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:30:37 +0200 Received: from sunshine.fz.telekom.de (sunshine.fz.telekom.de [192.166.56.22]) by eunetgate.fz.telekom.de (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA02113 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:19:39 +0200 Received: from sun51.fz.telekom.de (sun51.fz.telekom.de [192.166.56.95]) by sunshine.fz.telekom.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10383 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:18:23 +0200 Received: by sun51.fz.telekom.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28617; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:21:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:21:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ralf Widera Reply-To: widera@fz.telekom.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralf Widera, FZ 211b | Email: widera@fz.telekom.de | Deutsche Telekom AG | phone: +49 6151 83 3855 | o Forschungs- und Technologiezentrum | FAX : +49 6151 83 4066 | /\/ Postfach 10 00 03 | ~ ~~ \__ /_/ D-64276 Darmstadt, Germany | ~~ ~~ / ~ ~~ /* Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people */ /* that they are right, whether they are or not. */ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 06:11:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28705; Wed, 29 Mar 95 06:11:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22877; Wed, 29 Mar 95 05:50:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from thurgood.uscourts.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22871; Wed, 29 Mar 95 05:50:16 -0800 Received: from pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov by thurgood.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rty8L-0002FHC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 08:50 EST Received: from dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov by pc4std.ao.uscourts.gov with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0rty5L-0000DHC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 08:46 EST Received: by dgstd.ao.uscourts.gov (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0rty8H-0007LIC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 08:50 EST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Lynn Hilton" To: LesR368767 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: forwarding e-mail In-Reply-To: <3l9eec$6i6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The .forward file goes in your home directory; format varies. SVR4 uses the address to which you want your mail forwarded, i.e. lesr368767@aol.com. The mail agent uses this file, so it never gets to PINE. Lynn jlh@ao.uscourts.gov or lhilton@concept.com +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Lynn Hilton | Home where the AViiONs roam | | Concept Automation Services, Inc. | | | AOUSC, One Columbus Circle, N.E. | Voice: 202-273-2413 | | Washington, DC 20544 | FAX: 202-273-2356 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ On 28 Mar 1995, LesR368767 wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to configure PINE 3.91 to automatically forward > incoming mail to another internet address. I have heard that there is > something like ".FORWARD" that you can put in your address book but I have > no specifics. If not does anyone know if this can be done on a unix > server before the message ever gets to PINE? > > Please reply to LesR368767@aol.com or lrockwel@neptune.esc.k12.in.us > > Thanks > LR > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 06:39:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29506; Wed, 29 Mar 95 06:39:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23468; Wed, 29 Mar 95 06:29:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from zodiac.unl.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23462; Wed, 29 Mar 95 06:29:38 -0800 Received: from jamshyd.eg.unl.ac.uk by zodiac.unl.ac.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17163; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:28:27 +0000 Received: by jamshyd.eg.unl.ac.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01025; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:28:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:28:27 +0000 From: root@jamshyd.unl.ac.uk (Clifford) Message-Id: <9503291428.AA01025@jamshyd.eg.unl.ac.uk> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: v3.90 Content-Length: 351 Trying to compile v3.90 under solaris with the command ./build sol Getting fatal errors from make cant find makefile.fifos Where should these be? Clifford W Fulford University of North London CLMS-UNIX development E-mail: Clifford@zodiac.unl.ac.uk Clifford@compulink.co.uk C.Fulford@unl.ac.uk Telephone: 071-607-2789 x 7314. Home 081-986-5239 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 09:25:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07851; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:25:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27472; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:16:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27466; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:16:14 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA26162; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:55:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: "Secure Pine" To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have a desire for a simple, easy to use mail interface (such as pine), without the openings for SAVING mail, importing, exporting, changing the "To:/CC/BCC" fields, so that when handed an address on the command line, that is who the mail will be going to...ONLY. Has anyone done this? Attempted this. I looked a bit, and couldn't seem to get the menu options to appear correctly if I disabled the keys :(. We are presently using 3.89, but a version of 3.9x that does this would also be a nice addition. Suggestions? Help? B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 10:04:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10436; Wed, 29 Mar 95 10:04:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17084; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:54:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17064; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:54:52 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru1sg-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: css0958@osfmail.isc.rit.edu (SWANSON) Subject: External Editor Message-Id: <1995Mar29.164730.15153@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:47:30 GMT Quick question: I just started using Pine. It has it's limitations but it is rather useful. My question is, how do I link in an external editor. I'd much rather us vi than the default editor. I chnaged the value under the setup/config to 'vi' but i wont start it up when I compose or reply to a message. Any ideas? Help! Carl css0958@ultb.isc.rit.edu Direct e-mail would be appreciated! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 11:17:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14302; Wed, 29 Mar 95 11:17:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00734; Wed, 29 Mar 95 11:09:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00728; Wed, 29 Mar 95 11:09:54 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru37n-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 11:09 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Byers Subject: Way to test for presence of new mail, NOP if none? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 12:45:35 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does pine support the elm and ucb mail features of being able to *NOT* enter the interface if no new mail has arrived? (ie, if you've got no new mail, return to the unix prompt) Thanks, -Bob Byers bob@hsph.harvard.edu Harvard School of Public Health Boston, MA 02115 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 12:36:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA17414; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:36:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20659; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:10:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20653; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:10:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru3ze-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: mkagan@nslsilus.org (Myles Kagan) Subject: PINE for MAC? Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:04:43 GMT Is PINE or a program like PINE available for the MAC. I am looking for a telnet-able E-mail server software that works on a MAC. I'd prefer to run a server on the MAC platform, if at all possible. Please send me E-mail. Thank You. Myles Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18237; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:56:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02573; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:30:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02567; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:30:12 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru4MM-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:28 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: noe@io.org (Noe Zamel) Subject: Can password be saved? Message-Id: Date: 29 Mar 95 04:20:12 GMT I was hoping someone out there could tell me how to get PINE to save my username and password for a remote IMAP system so that I don't have to enter it each time I load pine. Thanks, Ricardo Zamel From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 13:39:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20709; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:39:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22321; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:20:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22311; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:20:10 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru58H-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: rfr1@ix.netcom.com (Rich Ruggiero) Subject: Entering Addresses into PIne Date: 29 Mar 1995 20:03:00 GMT Message-Id: <3lcedk$mnl@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> I would like to know if anyone has an offline addressbook tool that can be used with pine. Also, is there any way in which a user can import specific addresses or distribution lists to the addressbook by using an editor or other means. I have about 150 nnew addresses to add as a dist list, and want to streamline my effort. Thanks in advance. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 13:45:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20990; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:45:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22742; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:37:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22736; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:37:10 -0800 Received: by saul2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21940; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:36:56 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@saul2.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:36:56 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Sweger To: Philip Nelson Cc: Pine Subject: Re: Ideas for PINE GUI and libraries (q) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Philip Nelson wrote: > What do you use for the Mac? I've been toying with the idea of trying to > port the Windows version to the Mac (blindly because I've never tried to > port something before!). We are using Eudora now but I like the IMAP > features for people who move around on and off campus. We presently (about a hundred Macs) use MS Mail clients on the Macs with a MS Mail server running on a Mac. Microsoft dropped the ball and we haven't found anyone willing to pick it up (for less than a large sum of money). We will move to Pine via telnet and just suffer without the local file access for a while. We may work out a way for users to access their home directory on the Unix server via NFS to the Mac desktop which will help a little. So far, we haven't seen a Mac IMAP/MIME client fully realized. Mail Drop from Baylor is a start but feels like alpha code to me. If Pine were ported to the Mac, I don't think it would really be Pine necessarily because the interface could be completely different. There's no need for a menu structure matching Pine's. The way I would envision things would be a Chooser system extension for accessing IMAP services. Within the Chooser, one selects an IMAP and SMTP server, username/id, and password. I think the IMAP4 spec would come into play very well for this (send via IMAP and folder collection information? can't remember). When connected, you would see something similar to an HFS storage device on the desktop. Inside would be folder collections. Here's the catch. Now you add a system extension (to System 7.5+) that adds a file type of Electronic Mail to the system (type='MIME' perhaps) and handles MIME interpretation. This would allow email messages (documents) to appear as Electronic Mail under the Kind column of listings. Now you can drag email messages from your IMAP storage window (which looks just like any normal Finder window) to a disk to store messages there. To create or send email, the New command (in the IMAP storage window) creates a new empty email message. When creating or viewing messages, a Mail menu would be appended to the menu bar containing options to Send, Forward, Reply, etc. or some such features. Documents of type Electronic Mail could contain all the MIME types and would be presented and handled in an appropriate Finder-like fashion. Roll all this into OpenDoc, Drag-and-Drop, threaded news reader, Web browser, and toaster, then you're talking a pretty cool package. Of course, this could be done on a System 6 machine using an Application/Extension as well. But then, everyone's using System 7.5 anyway, right? -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine // University of Washington (206) 685-4337 / Box 355304 (206) 685-0610 (Fax) ---- Seattle, WA 98195-5304 -------------------------------------------------- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 14:49:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24230; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:49:05 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05752; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:35:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05746; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:35:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru6Gq-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:31 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ncs3711@as.nectec.or.th () Subject: I want source code of PC-PINE. Date: 28 Mar 1995 10:21:09 GMT Message-Id: <3l8nul$f9m@senior.nectec.or.th> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 15:06:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25112; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:06:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24670; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:50:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24662; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:50:18 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru6Wa-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:47 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: PINE for MAC? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 19:04:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Myles Kagan wrote: > Is PINE or a program like PINE available for the MAC. I am looking for a > telnet-able E-mail server software that works on a MAC. I'd prefer to run > a server on the MAC platform, if at all possible. Please send me E-mail. > Thank You. > > > Myles Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28052; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:15:09 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08042; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:05:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08036; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:05:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ru7jd-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: peterh@cloud9.net (Frequents Taco Bell) Subject: Re: Printing everything in a folder Date: 29 Mar 1995 05:59:05 GMT Message-Id: <3lasv9$svb@news.cloud9.net> References: <3l9tdg$1pa@news.cloud9.net> Ok, maybe I deserve a "newbie slap" but in the year Ive been using pine 3.xx I don't remember seeing a "select" in the folder index. Of course I tend not to read help pages unless its a last resort. I cant be that simple... Peter N.J. van der Horn (njvdhorn@solair1.inter.NL.net) wrote: : Simple ! Select all and apply print. : On 28 Mar 1995, Frequents Taco Bell : wrote: : > Is there a way to get all the messages in a folder to print without going : > to each message and giving the "Y" command? Id like to print out all the : > messages and just leave the keyboard to go refill my drink. If anyone can : > think of a way to do this please drop me a line. Thanks : > Peter : > : nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, : 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 16:22:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28424; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:22:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26606; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:13:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.pacifier.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26600; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:13:23 -0800 Received: from ichips by news.pacifier.com with uucp for pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #6) id m0ru7rT-00017sC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:13 PST Received: from cloquet.ichips.com by ichips (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01581; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:58:14 PST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:58:14 PST From: jjl@ichips.com (Jamie LeVasseur) Message-Id: <9503292358.AA01581@ichips> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: PC-NFS and PC Pine Cc: jjl@ichips.com I have recently installed PINE for sun PC-NFS on a DOS 6.22 GATEWAY PC. PC pine version 3.91 using PC-NFS 4.0. Using imap-3.6.BETA congifured for Sun. Setup - I have setup pop pop3 and imap on a host system called "ichips" running SUNOS 4.1.3. - I have no problem with unix pine or unix mtest to access {ichips}inbox. Pine comes back with a user id and requests the password properly. - PC-NFS is configured properly for the entire network and has access to all the systems using the NIS host database for the PC in question. Problem - PC Pine returns an error message [Host not found: ichips] followed by [No folder opend]. The PC can ftp and telnet to ichips without any problems but does not recognize ichips as the host. I tried the inbox parameter with {ichips}inbox and {ip-address}inbox with no success. Might anybody have a possible solution to this problem? Jamie LeVasseur IChips Corporation (360) 896-8321 Ext. 11 email jjl@ichips.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 16:50:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29988; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:50:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27469; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:45:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27463; Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:45:11 -0800 Received: from suncat.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id TAA00462; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:45:10 -0500 Received: by suncat.syr.edu (5.0/Spike-2.0) id AA01036; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:46:57 +0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Shin-Chih Kuo(Steve Kuo)" X-Sender: sckuo@suncat.syr.edu To: pine-Info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Q: about sending mpeg file. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 820 Hi there : I have set up a line regarding to mpeg file format in my .mailcap file. # This maps MPEG video DATA to the viewer ' mpeg_play'. video/mpeg; mpeg_play %s After I attach the mpeg file to send it to myself, I cant view the attachment in the pine 3.91 on Sun solarsis. I get the following error message Application/OCTET-STREAM Cant pine recognize the mpeg header and attach the a header like video/mpeg? Somebody help me! Regards. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------- Kuo Shin - Chih o Simplicity is Beauty! E-mail: sckuo@mailbox.syr.edu /sckuo@top.cis.syr.edu Computer Science o Syracuse University / http://mothra.syr.edu:8000/~sckuo/resume.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 18:30:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04420; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:30:42 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11174; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:24:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11168; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:24:33 -0800 Received: from demon.corp.portal.com (demon.corp.portal.com [156.151.1.10]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA18681 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:23:57 -0800 Received: from dudeman.corp.portal.com (dudeman.corp.portal.com [156.151.1.11]) by demon.corp.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA15040 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:25:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:25:09 -0800 From: Steve Schow Message-Id: <199503300225.SAA15040@demon.corp.portal.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: How to use .mailrc aliases in pine How do I configure pine so that it will use the aliases that are listed in my .mailrc file, rather than use the .addressbook(which is formatted differently I might add)??????????? Thanks in advance sjs@corp.portal.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 19:06:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05570; Wed, 29 Mar 95 19:06:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00374; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:55:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00368; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:55:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruAK0-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:50 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: IRIX 5.2 PORT Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:30:00 -0800 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Get ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z and build it using the "sgi" port... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Ronald D. Kurr wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:06:50 -0500 > From: Ronald D. Kurr > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: IRIX 5.2 PORT > > Can anyone point me to an ftp/www site that has an SGI port? Either source > code or binaries would be fine. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald D. Kurr Voice: (603) 337-7363 > Cabletron Systems, Inc. Fax : (603) 337-7370 > PO Box 5005 kurr@ctron.com > Rochester, NH 03868 > > "Opinions expressed are my wife's." > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 20:02:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07167; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:02:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12629; Wed, 29 Mar 95 19:56:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12623; Wed, 29 Mar 95 19:56:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruBGb-00038DC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 19:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: I want source code of PC-PINE. Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:22:33 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3l8nul$f9m@senior.nectec.or.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3l8nul$f9m@senior.nectec.or.th> Source for PC-Pine is included in ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 28 Mar 1995 ncs3711@as.nectec.or.th wrote: > Date: 28 Mar 1995 10:21:09 GMT > From: ncs3711@as.nectec.or.th > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: I want source code of PC-PINE. > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 20:28:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07991; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:28:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01789; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:21:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01783; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:21:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruBem-00038DC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:16 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Subject: Re: Printing everything in a folder Date: 30 Mar 95 02:50:45 GMT Message-Id: References: <3l9tdg$1pa@news.cloud9.net> <3lasv9$svb@news.cloud9.net> peterh@cloud9.net (Frequents Taco Bell) writes: >Ok, maybe I deserve a "newbie slap" but in the year Ive been using pine >3.xx I don't remember seeing a "select" in the folder index. Of course I Has to be 3.9x. >tend not to read help pages unless its a last resort. I cant be that >simple... >Peter >N.J. van der Horn (njvdhorn@solair1.inter.NL.net) wrote: >: Simple ! Select all and apply print. >: On 28 Mar 1995, Frequents Taco Bell >: wrote: >: > Is there a way to get all the messages in a folder to print without going >: > to each message and giving the "Y" command? Id like to print out all the >: > messages and just leave the keyboard to go refill my drink. If anyone can >: > think of a way to do this please drop me a line. Thanks >: > Peter >: > >: nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, >: 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 21:08:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09122; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:08:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02374; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:01:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02368; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:01:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruCJ8-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:58 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: KAT RVH SIMOES Subject: PGP & Pine 3.91 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 19:38:04 +0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can i use Pine 3.91 to decrypt PGP messages? Thanks. Kat -------------------------------------------------------------------- |\ _,,,---,,_ CATARINA REIS VIEIRA HENRIQUES SIMOES ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ l41366@ci.ist.utl.pt |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' l41366@alfa.ist.utl.pt '---''(_/--' `-'\_) catarina.simoes@arede.alce.pt --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 21:10:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09172; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:10:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13680; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:01:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13674; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:01:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruCIU-00038DC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 20:57 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "The Tealimister \"Brent Teal\"" Subject: where toget pine Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:39:04 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am plamming to run pine on a linux system soon, however I have no idea where to get the bins and everything for pine. Or should i say the code, where can I ftp to to get it. thanx HERE KITTY KITTY KITTY! __..--''``\--....___ _..,_ .-' .-/"; ` ``<._ ``-+'~=. .-' _..--.'_ \ `(^) ) ((..-' (< _ ;_..__ ; `' `-._,_)' ``--...____..-' FROM BRENT TEAL jteal@lonestar.utsa.edu and jteal@runner.jpl.utsa.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 21:19:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA09524; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:19:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02625; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:17:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02619; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:17:20 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruCWA-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 21:11 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: dules Subject: Re: E-mail addresses Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:56:27 +0000 Message-Id: References: <3kiall$cnr@news.ysu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Huntley wrote: > If anyone knows of the whereabouts of loads of E-mail addresses, please > get in touch. I am new to E-mail and any help would be appreciated. > > Thank you. > R.Huntley@Herts.ac.uk I think you're meaning to file '.addressbook' in your own directory. Please you check that file where addresses saved & load. Dulyawat Mapong Computer Center, Ministry of Public Health. e-mail : dulyawat@health.moph.go.th phone: (662) 591-8628, 591-8630. Tiwanon Rd., Nonthaburi 11000 Thailand. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 22:50:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12041; Wed, 29 Mar 95 22:50:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03922; Wed, 29 Mar 95 22:46:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03916; Wed, 29 Mar 95 22:46:17 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruDw3-00038BC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 22:42 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jbryans@csulb.edu (Jack Bryans) Subject: How to eliminate NNTP NOOPS from pine Date: 28 Mar 1995 22:28:56 GMT Message-Id: When used as a newsreader, pine shouts NOOP at the NNTP server every 2 1/2 minutes to circumvent the server's inactivity timeout policy. INN defaults to a generous 2 hour inactivity timeout. As I recall, reference nntp has a similarly liberal timeout default. That covers bnews, cnews, and INN, the vast majority of newservers that don't need timeout circumvention, and are ill served by it. Users of the most popular newsreaders rightfully wouldn't tolerate a server that required user action every 2 1/2 minutes to prevent the delay of reconnection. Pine's status as a superb MUA doesn't qualify it for special dispensation as a newsreader. In several comp.mail.pine followups in a thread started by my asking how to build pine without NNTP NOOPs, Mark Crispin wrote: > 5) NNTP is conspicuously the *only* protocol that lacks a no-op command. > Fortunately, unlike POP2, unknown command errors do not cause the > connection to die, so a client can issue a NOOP command and ignore > any error in the server's response. Yeah, right. There's no protocol associated with named and ntp, and I just fell off the turnip truck. > The only rational conclusion that one must make is that there is no such > thing as a standard NNTP protocol. Rather, each client and server > implementor is on his own to build something that more or less > interoperates with the maximal number of other implementation. Yes NNTP is in disarray. All the more reason for dialog between client writer/maintainers and server writer/maintainers. The widely recognized client NNTP extensions came about either with the cooperation of server writers, or by furnishing patches to reference nntp. Unilateral protocol extension isn't a positive contribution. > More importantly, stating that "NOOP log events are filling up my disk" > is an open broadcast to all crackers about how to commence a denial of > service attack on your system. The security implications are worse than > just denial of service to users. A cracker could cause denial of service > to security logging mechanisms. Just send a few hundred thousand bogus > commands at the NNTP server until the disk fills, then crack away without > fear of having evidence against you being logged. The days of open NNTP servers have been over for years. > By "active connection" you presumably mean "open connection", not > "connection actively transferring data" -- inactivity timers have no > effect upon the latter and thus it makes no sense to profer it as a > solution to the latter "eating away at system resources". Open but > inactive TCP connections do not "eat away at system resources". TCBs are > not finite resources. Each newsreading connection takes a process slot and real and virtual memory. On our system these are finite resources. Sure, one NNTP connection that refuses to timeout is no big deal, but when you have thousands of newsreading connections/day, inactivity timeouts are necessary to keep the server responsive for all users. The newsreaders I'm familiar with reconnect to the server when the user resumes newsreading after a timeout. > Perhaps, but technically, timeouts are a violation of the TCP spec! TCP is > rather emphatic about this. During a nuclear war, you do not want Clinton's > telnet session to nuker.af.mil to be dropped just because a section of > network in Ohio evaporated and it took a few minutes before another 747 with > a cisco and microwave transceiver could be sent up to replace the lost line. Then we're in good company with sendmail, ftp, and named. > On the other hand, we provide source code. If this is so important to > you, why don't you write the code? Fine. Please add the following patch for the next release of pine. It defaults to present behavior for the minority that want it that way, but provides a way for the rest of us to turn off NNTP NOOPs. robin:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 53$ diff -c imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c~ imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c *** imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c~ Sun Oct 9 17:59:29 1994 --- imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c Wed Feb 15 16:14:12 1995 *************** *** 782,788 **** --- 782,792 ---- /* Kludge alert: SMTPSOFTFATAL is 421 which is used in NNTP to mean ``No * next article in this group''. Hopefully, no NNTP server will choke on * a bogus command. */ + #ifdef NONOOP + return (1); + #else return (smtp_send (LOCAL->nntpstream,"NOOP",NIL) != SMTPSOFTFATAL); + #endif } robin:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 54$ diff -c imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcmac.c~ imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcmac.c *** imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcmac.c~ Sun Oct 9 17:55:21 1994 --- imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcmac.c Wed Feb 15 16:14:57 1995 *************** *** 783,789 **** --- 783,793 ---- /* Kludge alert: SMTPSOFTFATAL is 421 which is used in NNTP to mean ``No * next article in this group''. Hopefully, no NNTP server will choke on * a bogus command. */ + #ifdef NONOOP + return (1); + #else return (smtp_send (LOCAL->nntpstream,"NOOP",NIL) != SMTPSOFTFATAL); + #endif } robin:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 55$ diff -c imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcdos.c~ imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcdos.c *** imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcdos.c~ Sun Oct 9 17:54:30 1994 --- imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcdos.c Wed Feb 15 16:15:56 1995 *************** *** 849,855 **** --- 849,859 ---- /* Kludge alert: SMTPSOFTFATAL is 421 which is used in NNTP to mean ``No * next article in this group''. Hopefully, no NNTP server will choke on * a bogus command. */ + #ifdef NONOOP + return (1); + #else return (smtp_send (LOCAL->nntpstream,"NOOP",NIL) != SMTPSOFTFATAL); + #endif } robin:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 56$ diff -c imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcvms.c~ imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcvms.c *** imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcvms.c~ Sun Oct 9 17:55:55 1994 --- imap/ANSI/c-client/nntpcvms.c Wed Feb 15 16:16:23 1995 *************** *** 787,793 **** --- 787,797 ---- /* Kludge alert: SMTPSOFTFATAL is 421 which is used in NNTP to mean ``No * next article in this group''. Hopefully, no NNTP server will choke on * a bogus command. */ + #ifdef NONOOP + return (1); + #else return (smtp_send (LOCAL->nntpstream,"NOOP",NIL) != SMTPSOFTFATAL); + #endif } robin:/usr/local/src/pine3.91 57$ diff -c imap/non-ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c~ imap/non-ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c *** imap/non-ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c~ Sun Oct 9 18:01:53 1994 --- imap/non-ANSI/c-client/nntpcunx.c Wed Feb 15 16:17:49 1995 *************** *** 838,844 **** --- 838,848 ---- /* Kludge alert: SMTPSOFTFATAL is 421 which is used in NNTP to mean ``No * next article in this group''. Hopefully, no NNTP server will choke on * a bogus command. */ + #ifdef NONOOP + return (1); + #else return (smtp_send (LOCAL->nntpstream,"NOOP",NIL) != SMTPSOFTFATAL); + #endif } Jack From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 29 23:16:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12695; Wed, 29 Mar 95 23:16:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15709; Wed, 29 Mar 95 23:11:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15703; Wed, 29 Mar 95 23:11:29 -0800 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (8.6.5:29/EUnetD-2.5.1.d) via EUnet id JAA22495; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:13:17 +0200 Received: from sunshine.fz.telekom.de (sunshine.fz.telekom.de [192.166.56.22]) by eunetgate.fz.telekom.de (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00937 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:44:48 +0200 Received: from sun51.fz.telekom.de (sun51.fz.telekom.de [192.166.56.95]) by sunshine.fz.telekom.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA12022 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:43:31 +0200 Received: by sun51.fz.telekom.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29312; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:46:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:46:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ralf Widera Reply-To: widera@fz.telekom.de To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralf Widera, FZ 211b | Email: widera@fz.telekom.de | Deutsche Telekom AG | phone: +49 6151 83 3855 | o Forschungs- und Technologiezentrum | FAX : +49 6151 83 4066 | /\/ Postfach 10 00 03 | ~ ~~ \__ /_/ D-64276 Darmstadt, Germany | ~~ ~~ / ~ ~~ -------Anatomy: something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl.-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 02:31:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18188; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:31:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18597; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:22:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18591; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:22:56 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruHIC-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "N.J. van der Horn" Subject: Re: Printing everything in a folder In-Reply-To: <3l9tdg$1pa@news.cloud9.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <3l9tdg$1pa@news.cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:24:18 GMT Simple ! Select all and apply print. On 28 Mar 1995, Frequents Taco Bell wrote: > Is there a way to get all the messages in a folder to print without going > to each message and giving the "Y" command? Id like to print out all the > messages and just leave the keyboard to go refill my drink. If anyone can > think of a way to do this please drop me a line. Thanks > Peter > nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 02:32:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18209; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:32:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06878; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:26:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06872; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:26:43 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruHMT-00038KC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:21 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "N.J. van der Horn" Subject: Re: SCO Unix port of Pine In-Reply-To: <3l9f62$ut@dewey.csun.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: References: <3l9f62$ut@dewey.csun.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:28:42 GMT I am using one. It is simple to build if you have a compiler available. If you cant get one, mail me. n 28 Mar 1995, George Mansoor wrote: > Does anyone know if a compiled version of pine for SCO Unix is around? > > Thanks > > George > nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 06:06:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24285; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:06:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21563; Thu, 30 Mar 95 05:59:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21549; Thu, 30 Mar 95 05:59:04 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [3.21.24.83]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id IAA18792 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:59:03 -0500 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA07607 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:59:02 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/GEA Sun server 2.7) id AA16186; Wed, 29 Mar 95 09:48:22 EST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:48:21 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Request for pointer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine Clones, Would someone point me to a LIST for cc:Mail or general e-mail issues where I might find a cc:Mail guru? TIA, Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 06:35:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25074; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:35:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21989; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:27:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21983; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:27:15 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruL7z-00038KC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Stan Mulder Subject: news group message arrival method? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 23:45:17 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got my configuration set to show news group messages in order of arrival. How is it that when I view a news group I see all ranges of dates interspersed? For example, I posted a message on lang.comp.c++, when out of pine and back in to verify that it was posted and could not find my message at the bottom of the list. I did a search and found it about 60 messages up. How am I to understand this? Thanks. -Stan- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stan Mulder -- mulder@eng.usf.edu | University of South Florida, Lakeland | Acceptance is usually the answer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 06:56:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25755; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:56:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10560; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:42:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10554; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:42:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruLLi-00038KC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Pine Assuming Mailed Replies are News Articles - a solution Date: 28 Mar 1995 20:19:50 GMT Message-Id: <3l9r17$brn@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <3l2q33$aqs@mars.mcs.com> <3l2tog$2q6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <3l4hpc$26i@mars.mcs.com> In article <3l4hpc$26i@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >Requires it to be changed by the person who didn't know/care about >the problem. Seems unlikely to happen whether it is the "right" >solution or not. Yes, if the author of pine knew and cared about the problem, it would have been fixed already. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 07:00:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25831; Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:00:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22352; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:48:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22346; Thu, 30 Mar 95 06:48:54 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [3.21.24.83]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA20063 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:48:52 -0500 Received: from mmansys.PSF.GE.COM (mmansys.PSF.GE.COM [166.16.19.6]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA09585 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:48:51 -0500 Received: by mmansys.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA07539; Thu, 30 Mar 95 09:49:53 EST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: "M.E. Gerhard" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Request for pointer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pine Clones, Would someone point me to a LIST for cc:Mail or general e-mail issues where I might find a cc:Mail guru? TIA, Don Sugarman REPLY TO: sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 07:32:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26790; Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:32:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22933; Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:27:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22927; Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:27:24 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruM4f-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 07:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bill Hudson Subject: Re: SCO Unix port of Pine Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:33:00 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3l9f62$ut@dewey.csun.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3l9f62$ut@dewey.csun.edu> On 28 Mar 1995, George Mansoor wrote: > Does anyone know if a compiled version of pine for SCO Unix is around? > ftp: celestial.com:/pub/sco-ports/unix/pine3.91.sco.bins.tar.gz -- Bill Hudson; System Administrator; Robert Mann Packaging INC, Gilroy, CA USA bill@rmp.com rmp@garlic.com BHudson@ix.netcom.com Tel: 1-408-848-5440 Fax: 1-408-848-2063 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 08:46:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29875; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:46:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12600; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:37:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12594; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:37:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruNCH-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: garr9252@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Garriott Dan) Subject: Date: 30 Mar 1995 07:16:22 GMT Message-Id: <3ldls6$d0u@newshound.uidaho.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a FAQ listing for PINE / News groups / Gopher? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ ________________. ___ ._______ . / | / \ . | _ \ . . | (----| |--' / _ \ | |_) | . . \ \ . | | . / /_\ \ | / . . .------ ) | | | / ____ \ | |\ \________ |____________/ |__| /__/ \ __\ |__| \__________| . . . . ____ ___ ____ ___ _________ _________ . . \ \ / \ / / / \ | _ \ / ____| . \ \ / \ / / / _ \ . | |_) | | ( . . \ / / /_\ \ | / \ \ \ /\ / / ____ \ | |\ \____\ | . . \____/ \___/ /___/ \__\ |___| \__________/ . _____________________________________________________________________________ UU UU IIIIIIIIIIII Dan R. Garriott UU UU II 1242 Hanson Ave. UU UU OF II Moscow ID. UU UU II 83843 UU UU II U.S.A. UUUUUU IIIIIIIIIII ============================================================================== "TIME IS JUST ONE DAMN THING AFTER ANOTHER." -PBS- ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 08:51:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00224; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:51:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24488; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:42:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24480; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:42:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruNEf-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:38 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Ian Russell Ollmann Subject: Re: forwarding e-mail Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 19:53:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3l9eec$6i6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 28 Mar 1995, LesR368767 wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to configure PINE 3.91 to automatically forward > incoming mail to another internet address. I have heard that there is > something like ".FORWARD" that you can put in your address book but I have > no specifics. If not does anyone know if this can be done on a unix > server before the message ever gets to PINE? > > Please reply to LesR368767@aol.com or lrockwel@neptune.esc.k12.in.us > > Thanks > LR > > The .forward function is not part of pine. It is a function common to most unix systems and is probably present whether or not pine is installed. I believe that it is usually a part of sendmail. Anyway, if you have a standard unix account (I have no idea about aol.com) then simply placing a text file in your home directory called .forward should do the trick. For your purposes, the file, .forward, should be a file solely comprised of the e-mail address that you want your mail forwarded to. Existing mail in your inbox will remain there, but all new mail will show up in the address specified in the .forward file. I think the easiest way to set this up is to type the following line at the unix prompt: echo "you@new.address" > ~/.forward So, if you want all of your mail to go to me, for example, (I don't suggest that you actually do this as I don't want your mail,) the line would look like this: echo "iano@scripps.edu" > ~/.forward To stop your mail from forwarding, delete the .forward file. This can be done by typing: rm ~/.forward (It may ask you whether or not you really wish to delete the file. Answer yes.) I hope this helps. The .forward is fairly versatile and can do a great deal more than simply forward your mail. Read the manpages (man mail or man sendmail) for more information. Ian Ollmann Disclaimer: 1) The procedure for doing this with PC-Pine on an IBM/Intel clone is likely very different. I don't really do DOS, so the above only applies to unix systems. 2) I take no responsibility if following my suggestions results in your name being placed in the FBI's top ten most wanted list, the loss of any limbs by either your pet or yourself or any other similarly dire consequence. Believe what you read on the internet at your own risk. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 11:04:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06942; Thu, 30 Mar 95 11:04:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16090; Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:57:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16084; Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:57:46 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruPO2-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:56 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ncs3711@as.nectec.or.th () Subject: I want source code of PC-PINE. Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:37:32 GMT Message-Id: <3ladks$23g@senior.nectec.or.th> From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 13:00:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12919; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:00:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01353; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:47:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01347; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:47:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruR47-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:43 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: improviz@netcom.com (Stephen Provizer) Subject: folders won't open Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:00:23 GMT From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 13:20:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14204; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:20:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02192; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:08:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02186; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:07:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruRNv-00038FC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Juan M. Courcoul" Subject: "@" breaks WinPine 3.91 when typed on Compose window (fwd) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:56:09 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear fellow Pine users: I am forwarding this bug report, acting on the suggestion of the pine-bugs autoanswer I just received. Has anyone else experienced (and, better yet, solved) this problem ? Thanks for any help or pointers. Juan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:49:36 -0600 (CST) From: Juan M. Courcoul To: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Subject: "@" breaks WinPine 3.91 when typed on Compose window Dear Pine Developers: We have been using Pine for Windows as the primary mail application at our campus, but we are being bitten by an irksome bug. Whenever you type an ampersand in the Compose window, be it as part of the text or as part of an address, Pine starts misinterpreting spaces as carriage returns. In other words, if you should happen to type an ampersand (@) for any reason, from there on whenever you press the spacebar you get a carriage return, and you cannot get spaces anymore. We are primarily using Windows 3.1, Peter Tattam's Winsock, v.2, MS-DOS 6, on a variety of machines. Is there a workaround for this bug, or a planned bugfix release ? Having to postpone, exit WinPine and return, in order to continue using spaces is quite a drag. Thanks for your help. Juan Courcoul Monterrey Institute of Technology, Queretaro Campus From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 13:31:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA14771; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:31:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19216; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:52:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19209; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:52:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruR9u-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:49 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Byers Subject: Headers from ucb mail and elm Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 12:42:28 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have several large folders produced by either /usr/ucb/mail and/or elm. Now I want to read them using pine 3.91. However, pine can't figure out who the original sender of each message was. Instead, it prints the index something like.. + 1 xxx -1 To: Byers (812) test msg#1 + 2 xxx -1 To: Byers (1024) wet sprocket + 3 xxx -1 To: Byers (512) ack As you can see, pine doesn't know who the original sender was. This is a serious problem because using reply ("R") in pine doesn't fill in the return address for me, it just leaves it blank. The folder has messages with the following pattern.. From bill Fri Jan 7 16:34:12 1994 Subject: wet sprocket To: Byers I've discovered that if I insert a "Date:" and "From:" line _after_ the original "From" line, all is OK, as far as pine is concerned. In other words, the above pattern becomes.. From bill Fri Jan 7 16:34:12 1994 Date: Fri Jan 7 16:34:12 1994 From: bill Subject: wet sprocket To: Byers What is going on here? Is there any way to make pine happy with the original folder? Or is my only hope to write a program to convert my folders to the 2nd format? Thanks, -Bob Byers Harvard School of Public Health Boston, MA 02115 bob@hsph.harvard.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 13:37:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15176; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:37:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20264; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:23:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20258; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:23:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruRcC-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:18 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: beckett@goliath.montclair.edu (Brian T. Beckett) Subject: Help! Pine under Solaris 2.4 bug Date: 29 Mar 1995 23:44:51 GMT Message-Id: <3lcrdj$74i@goliath.montclair.edu> References: <3kpq9l$7qi@nntp.crl.com> <3l71ob$c9q@nntp.crl.com> I get a message saying "Bug in Pine detected. Core dumped" frequently (not always) when new mail comes in. Anyone know why? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian T. Beckett | Academic Computing & Technology Supervisor of Academic Computing | Montclair State University (201)655-4194 | Upper Montclair, N.J. 07043 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 13:50:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15944; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:50:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02719; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:33:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02713; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:33:04 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruRpg-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 13:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Kevin McElearney Subject: Incoming Mail Folders Date: 30 Mar 1995 20:07:25 GMT Message-Id: <3lf31t$aad@noc.near.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why when I create a new incoming mail folder called something like Mail/fwall.mbox does it also creates another folder called fwall.mbox. I cannot delete this unless I touch ~/fwall.mbox and then delete it. Then... when I quit and restart Pine there it is again 8^} -- Kevin McElearney (KM108) _________________________________________________________________________ BBN Planet Corporation Phone: +1 617 873-4684 New England Region Engineering Fax: +1 617 873-5620 150 Cambridge Park Drive, 20/342 http://www.bbnplanet.com/ Cambridge, MA 02140 mailto:kmcelear@bbnplanet.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 14:44:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19196; Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:44:21 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22134; Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:38:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA22128; Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:38:11 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruSo3-00038FC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:35 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Steve Thompson Subject: Re: PC-NFS and PC Pine Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:20:57 -0500 Message-Id: References: <9503292358.AA01581@ichips> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9503292358.AA01581@ichips> On 29 Mar 1995, Jamie LeVasseur wrote: > Problem > - PC Pine returns an error message [Host not found: ichips] > followed by [No folder opend]. The PC can ftp and telnet to ichips > without any problems but does not recognize ichips as the host. > I tried the inbox parameter with {ichips}inbox and {ip-address}inbox with > no success. I had this problem a while ago, and asked in this very forum if anyone had a solution. I heard from a lot of people that had the same problem, but not from anyone who either had a solution or had it working at all. Eventually we gave up trying, and switched to PC-NFSpro and pcpine_w; this combination works fine. -steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Thompson, System Mangler Internet: thompson@cheme.cornell.edu School of Chemical Engineering Phone: (607) 255 5573 Olin Hall, Cornell University FAX: (607) 255 7081 Ithaca NY 14853 "186,000 miles per second. It's not just a good idea, it's the law." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 15:45:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23077; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:45:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05761; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:28:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05753; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:28:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruTZE-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: afcasta@millenium.texas.net (Al Castanoli) Subject: Re: Incoming Mail Folders Date: 30 Mar 1995 20:25:11 GMT Message-Id: <3lf437$n7n@empire.texas.net> References: <3lf31t$aad@noc.near.net> Kevin McElearney (kmcelear@near.net) wrote: : Why when I create a new incoming mail folder called something like : Mail/fwall.mbox does it also creates another folder called fwall.mbox. : I cannot delete this unless I touch ~/fwall.mbox and then delete : it. : Then... when I quit and restart Pine there it is again 8^} : -- Dunno Kevin - I just jump out to my shell and do a % rm -rf and that works fine. touch seems to work better on SVR4 boxes than BSD implementations for me, but I may just be a klutz :-> -- Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 16:00:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23871; Thu, 30 Mar 95 16:00:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24133; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:53:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA24127; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:53:19 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruU0C-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 15:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gww7838@is2.nyu.edu (Gail E. Wauford) Subject: How do you print a folder index? Date: 30 Mar 1995 20:49:17 GMT Message-Id: <3lf5gd$lmc@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Does anyone know how to print a folder index from within Pine? I'd like to print a list of the messages in the folder. Thanks in advance, Gail From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 16:32:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25554; Thu, 30 Mar 95 16:32:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07150; Thu, 30 Mar 95 16:18:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07144; Thu, 30 Mar 95 16:18:22 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruUMa-00038DC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 16:14 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Graham Johnson Subject: Window/Winsock version of Pine Date: 21 Mar 1995 03:27:19 GMT Message-Id: <3klh2n$7a5@eplet.mira.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone advise me how I can obtain a windows/winsock version of pine? Preferably in the zip format. Graham Johnson Australia Post Melbourne Australia From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 19:24:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02210; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:24:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28118; Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:58:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28109; Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:58:42 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruWra-00038FC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:55 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Window/Winsock version of Pine Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:44:36 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3klh2n$7a5@eplet.mira.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3klh2n$7a5@eplet.mira.net.au> It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcpine_w.zip |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA finger for PGP key On 21 Mar 1995, Graham Johnson wrote: > Date: 21 Mar 1995 03:27:19 GMT > From: Graham Johnson > Newgroups: comp.mail.pine > Subject: Window/Winsock version of Pine > > Can anyone advise me how I can obtain a windows/winsock version > of pine? Preferably in the zip format. > > Graham Johnson > Australia Post > Melbourne > Australia > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 19:31:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02517; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:31:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28434; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:13:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28428; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:13:22 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15837; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:13:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 19:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: "Brian T. Beckett" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help! Pine under Solaris 2.4 bug In-Reply-To: <3lcrdj$74i@goliath.montclair.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I get a message saying "Bug in Pine detected. Core dumped" frequently > (not always) when new mail comes in. Brian, It's always helpful if you mention which version of pine you are using. This particular bug *sounds* like one that was introduced in 3.90 and fixed in 3.91... If it is happening with 3.91, use the bug report command and attach a compressed core file or a stack trace. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 19:35:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02656; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:35:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10733; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:25:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10727; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:25:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruXJD-00038LC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: m0zaud01@rigel.spd.louisville.edu (The Mighty Good Man) Subject: Re: E-mail addresses Date: 29 Mar 1995 15:31:05 GMT Message-Id: <3lbufp$5gb@hermes.louisville.edu> References: <3kiall$cnr@news.ysu.edu> dules (dulyawat@health.moph.go.th) wrote: : On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Huntley wrote: : > If anyone knows of the whereabouts of loads of E-mail addresses, please : > get in touch. I am new to E-mail and any help would be appreciated. : > : > Thank you. : > R.Huntley@Herts.ac.uk I am not sure what excatly you want. But if you want to find people's e-mail address, visit my home page at http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~m0zaud01/welcome.html There u can find links to various netfind servers. If you don't know how to use netfind servers don't worry, there is file that will explain how to use them in my page. MGM PS PLEASE USE **NETSCAPE** browser. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 20:14:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03915; Thu, 30 Mar 95 20:14:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29335; Thu, 30 Mar 95 20:08:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29329; Thu, 30 Mar 95 20:08:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruY0A-00038MC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 20:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: chriss@geo.ruhr.de (Lars Diel) Subject: Pine 3.91 ?? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 18:28:59 GMT Hello! A few day ago I download the Pine3.91 from ftp.cac.washington.edu. At the moment I use version 3.89, many people tell me that this is a old one. I use Linux and I do not know, if I download the right version for my system. When I type in build --help then there are many systems, but I do not found Linux. And the readme file does not exists in the /doc. But when I type build lnx then Pico build hisself. But it comes a error for Pine. Sorry when I can not perfect explain, I am new at Linux. :) That bad thing is, that I can not remember what File I download. I think pine3.91.tar.Z When there is a Pine Howto or FAQ then please send me the File. But one is enough ;-) -- -- CU Lars From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 21:15:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05565; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:15:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12344; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:08:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12338; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:08:57 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruYx3-00038FC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:08 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) Subject: Re: PINE for MAC? Date: 29 Mar 95 22:32:11 GMT Message-Id: References: In Ian Russell Ollmann writes: >On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Myles Kagan wrote: >> Is PINE or a program like PINE available for the MAC. I am looking for a >> telnet-able E-mail server software that works on a MAC. I'd prefer to run >> a server on the MAC platform, if at all possible. Please send me E-mail. >> Thank You. >> >> >> Myles As far as I know, there is not a version of pine which runs on a >macintosh. Since pine runs purely as text, however, it can be run on >pretty much any remote unix machine with your mac serving as a dumb >terminal. That is what we do all the time. If you have a 14.4k modem, the >operation is pretty seemless. 2400 cps is slow, though. Over ethernet, it >should be as good as running anything locally on the mac, unless your >ethernet backbone is highly overtaxed. If you are determined to have a >program running locally on your mac and your mac has an ethernet >connection to the internet, you can also use a mailtool from >ftp.cac.washington.edu /mail/mac/Mailstrom_1.05.hqx. Since our macs >are not ethernetted to the main system, I haven't checked this program out >thoroughly, but it looks nice. (It doesn't work over a modem. If, as you >say, you use telnet, then it should work for you.) You might also check >to see if NCSA has anything. Anyone with a Mac who wants a MIME compliant mail client can get a free one from called Eudora. There's also a commercial version of Eudora that many people swear by which has (naturally enough) more features than the free version. Eudora uses POP for incoming mail and SMTP to a server for outgoing. There is an SMTP server (Mailshare) that can be used with Eudora if you're in a pure SMTP environment (on a LAN, for example). Hunt in the usual Mac archives (Sumex and Umich, mirrored at many places including wuarchive.wustl.edu, see the Mac FAQ's for more sites) for Mailshare. There's also a pure SMTP client called Leemail, but I've never used it. I use the free version of Eudora on my Mac at home over a PPP connection, and pine on my Sun workstation. I personally would never want pine on my Mac. > Ian Ollmann -- -------- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 30 21:54:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06547; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:54:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00800; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:49:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA00794; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:49:03 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruZZO-00038HC; Thu, 30 Mar 95 21:48 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) Subject: user-domain doesn't work when it's a subset of hostname? Date: 30 Mar 1995 04:01:21 GMT Message-Id: <3ldaeh$t38@ddi2.digital.net> This is strange! My hostname is penny.n2wx.ampr.org, but I have n2wx.ampr.org CNAMEd to it and wish to use the shorter version on my outgoing email. For some reason 3.91 ignores my user-domain setting and it also disregards the use-only-domain-setting when I tried that. 3.91 happily uses a user-domain parameter that differs from my hostname. Is this intentional action? Howard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 01:15:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12030; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:15:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15642; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:04:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15636; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:04:23 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rucaf-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:02 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: brennan@cchs.su.edu.au (Luke Brennan) Subject: OpenVMS PINE gotcha Date: 21 Mar 95 08:25:35 +1000 Message-Id: <1995Mar21.082535@cchs.su.edu.au> I don't know if anybody has mentioned this in the past, but the OpenVMS port of PINE (the HUJI one) crashes/burns if there is no mail folder in existance upon startup. (happens with PTMAIL, an ELM clone for VMS too, actually!) Of course, it's easy to create the e-mail file simply by sending the user some mail and letting the O/S create it - but it would be nice if PINE reported something rather than just stack dump. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Brennan e-mail: L.Brennan@cchs.su.EDU.AU EDP Unit, S209 L.Brennan%cchs.su.edu.au@cunyvm.BITNET Cumberland College of Health Sciences, ,-_|\ The University of Sydney voice: +61 2 646 6402 / \ East Street, Lidcombe, NSW 2141 fax: +61 2 646 4853 \_,-._* AUSTRALIA v From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 01:24:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA12289; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:24:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03932; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:19:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03926; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:19:27 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rucpC-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 01:17 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: djm@dce.vic.gov.au (Darren McKinty) Subject: Mail folders stored elsewhere Date: 22 Mar 1995 10:04:34 +1000 Message-Id: <3knpii$70a@lionheart.dce.vic.gov.au> Greetings! Is it possible to set Pine up so that it reads from and saves to folders which are stored in a different area to where Pine operates from? The reason I ask is because we have what are known as 'home' directories where Pine operates from, but the sytem manglers are limiting space in each user's home directory to 1MB. (The 'hidden' system files take up at least half that!!! grrrr) Anyway, Pine looks in our home directories for the inbox and for the mail folders we create to store correspondence, which, obviously takes up room. So I was wondering if there was a way of setting Pine up so that it would store the mail directory (which holds the folders and inbox) elsewhere and read from this remote area to avoid taking up 'precious' space in our home directories. Any suggestions please email directly to me, as I don't read the newsgroups often, and I like filling up my home directory with mail to annoy the system manglers. ;) Thanks Darren -- -- I have suffered for my music, now its your turn. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 02:13:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13618; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:13:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16517; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:04:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16511; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:04:35 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rudZ2-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Bob Byers Subject: null mail folder collection possible? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to read news and *NOT* have my mail folder collection be visible, or at least not expanded, when I do an L (list folders). In other words, when I press L, I'd like to see only a list of my subscribed newsgroups, and *NOT* a list of my mail folders. Is this possible in pine 3.91 under SunOS 4.x? -Bob Byers Harvard School of Public Health Boston, MA 02115 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 02:14:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13656; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:14:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04625; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:09:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04619; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:09:31 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rudZA-00038KC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Lew Newby Jr." Subject: Global addressboks for Pine Date: 29 Mar 1995 19:47:12 GMT Message-Id: <3lcdg0$bon@lynx.unm.edu> How can I create a Global address book and a correct reference to it in the .pinerc? Also would this work in PC-Pine? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 04:34:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18237; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:34:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18610; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:20:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18604; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:20:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruffY-00038OC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:19 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Brian T. Beckett" Subject: Re: Help! Pine under Solaris 2.4 bug Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:16:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: References: <9503302111.AA05455@services.more.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9503302111.AA05455@services.more.net> On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, David Drum wrote: > : I get a message saying "Bug in Pine detected. Core dumped" frequently > : (not always) when new mail comes in. > I have never experienced this. With what compiler did you create pine? I used the GNU gcc compiler. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian T. Beckett | Academic Computing & Technology Supervisor of Academic Computing | Montclair State University (201)655-4194 | Upper Montclair, N.J. 07043 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 05:03:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19347; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:03:42 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07061; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:56:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07055; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:56:05 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rugAU-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:51 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "N.J. van der Horn" Subject: HOW TO USE FUNCTIONKEYS Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:42:11 GMT I want to use functionkeys instead of the control-keys. (1) Is this only possible by using the commandline option -k ? (Ofcourse I can change the source ...) (2) When I call "pine -k" it displays as expected the F1 etc in the menu line, but when a functionkey is pressed, I got the following error: Command "D" notdefined for this screen. Use F1 for help I love these clear messages, but the F1 produces the same error ! Help can still be called with "?" and some other keys are also still working: ctrl-{G,W,Y,V} "-". What's causing this PAIN with our friend PINE ? --- nico@vanderhorn.nl (N.J. van der Horn), VANDERHORN VOF, Oranjelaan 40, 3135 ZP Vlaardingen, The Netherlands, Tel +31104600411, Fax +31104342857 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 05:39:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA20384; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:39:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07601; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:28:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from news.cc.ucf.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07595; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:28:35 -0800 Received: from news.cc.ucf.edu by news.cc.ucf.edu with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0rugjQ-001DhVC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 08:27 EST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Maukonen Reply-To: chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu Subject: Re: PINE for MAC? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The reason I would be interested in a Mac IMAP client, is simply because for a lot of users here, POP is no a viable solution. They either do not have enough hard disk available or they are using dial in to access their mail and bringing all their mail down to their Mac simply doesn't hack it. For these people I suggest (and distribute) Mailstrom. However the most current release has some bugs in it. Especially in the TCP code. I have work arounds for them, but would like a newer and less buggy app. I have tried the various beta releases of ECSMail, but have found them to be even less stable than Mailstrom. And now it seems that V2 of Mailstrom is a dead issue. This is too bad as it was looking pretty good. (kind of wish I could get a hold of v2a15 source..oh well). We do have a few people that use Eudora, but they are all Ethernet connected and have very large Macs with large hard drives. Right now the best freeware app looks to be Mail Drop. The only things it seems to be missing is multiple mailboxes and a way to directy insert text besides cut and paste (a minor issue I grant you). I am keeping a I on this one. But yes, a Pine Like app would be very nice to have for the Mac. Chris From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 07:50:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23912; Fri, 31 Mar 95 07:50:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21600; Fri, 31 Mar 95 07:42:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21594; Fri, 31 Mar 95 07:42:34 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruinK-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 07:39 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: beverlyc@ksc.au.ac.th (Beverly Cook) Subject: offline mail composing Date: 30 Mar 1995 08:28:58 GMT Message-Id: <3ldq4a$s8k@abac.au.ac.th> Hope this isn't too stupid, but how do I compose a message offline and send it using Pine. I'm using a Mac, my host is Assumption University in Thailand. I made a teachtext file but didn't know how to import it. It kept looking in my home/directory (whatever that is). Apparently I need to import the file into the home/directory but I don't know how. Thanks in advance for any (simply worded) help. Bev Cook From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 10:11:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01591; Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:11:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13282; Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:46:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from dekalb.vf.mmc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13276; Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:45:59 -0800 Received: from franklin.vf.mmc.com (franklin.VF.GE.COM [3.21.24.83]) by dekalb.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA27165; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:40:45 -0500 Received: from mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM [3.12.38.33]) by franklin.vf.mmc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA28470; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:40:43 -0500 Received: by mmpcs1.PSF.GE.COM (4.1/MMC Sun server N-3.4) id AA03452; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:39:16 EST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) From: Don Sugarman To: "N.J. van der Horn" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HOW TO USE FUNCTIONKEYS In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, N.J. van der Horn wrote: > > (2) When I call "pine -k" it displays as expected the F1 etc in the menu > line, but when a functionkey is pressed, I got the following error: > > Command "D" notdefined for this screen. Use F1 for help > > I love these clear messages, but the F1 produces the same error ! > > Help can still be called with "?" and some other keys are also still > working: ctrl-{G,W,Y,V} "-". > > I just discovered the function key option yesterday and tried playing with it. I think that your problem may be with terminal configuration and whether PINE expects the ASCII sequences sent by your function keys. I log in as a vt100 from an AT&T 605 terminal and my default function key definitions don't work. As a vt100 terminal, PINE is expecting F1=\EOP, F2=\EOQ, F3=\EOR, and F4=\EOS. (This info is from the termcap file.) If you type the sequence OP you will get the PINE help menu for the function key-based operation. HOWEVER, since the vt100 definition doesn't include F5 - F12, I don't know how to program my function keys to satisfy PINE. Since the letter and control-key commands are easy to remember (mostly mnemonics), I'm not that interested in the function keys. Don Sugarman sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 11:53:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06865; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:53:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16101; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:41:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nic.cerf.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16095; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:41:54 -0800 Received: from mrcury.liocs.com (liocs.com [134.24.6.153]) by nic.cerf.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18164 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:41:39 -0800 Received: by mrcury.liocs.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA26901; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:24:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:24:52 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Siembieda To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: subscribe X-Sender: dave@mrcury.liocs.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe =============================================================================== Dave Siembieda | The opinions expressed are my own! Manager of Software Engineering | LIOCS Corp | 246 E. Janata Blvd | Lombard, IL 60148 | dave@liocs.com | =============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 11:57:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07080; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:57:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16137; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:43:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16131; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:42:59 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rumVD-00038CC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:37 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Nancy McGough Subject: Re: forwarding e-mail Date: 31 Mar 1995 19:09:04 GMT Message-Id: <3lhk0g$91f@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3l9eec$6i6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On some systems the .forward needs to be world readable and your home directory needs to be world searchable ("executable"). Here's how you do that: cd chmod +x . chmod 644 .forward Make sure you test it out by having someone on a different system send you a message. Good luck, Nancy -- /\_/\ @..@ Vote for the humanities.misc /\_/\ ( o.o ) Nancy McGough (----) newsgroup! The CFV is at ( o.o ) > ^ < Infinite Ink ( >__< ) http://www.jazzie.com/ii/ > ~ < From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 12:17:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA07881; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:17:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16609; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:06:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16603; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:06:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03473; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:06:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: Howard Goldstein Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: user-domain doesn't work when it's a subset of hostname? In-Reply-To: <3ldaeh$t38@ddi2.digital.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There may be a sendmail in the loop doing this for/to you. It is common for sendmail rewriting rules to canonicalize hostnames in header addresses. If it sees a n2wx.ampr.org it looks up the CNAME and replaces it with the canonical name, penny.n2wx.ampr.org. You might try changing the DNS setup to fix this. You could get rid of the CNAME, and use an MX record for n2wx pointing to penny instead. If you also need there to be an IP address associated with n2wx, then you can add an A record with the penny address for n2wx. A more difficult approach would be to modify your sendmail.cf to cause it to rewrite penny.n2wx.ampr.org to n2wx.ampr.org late in the rewriting process (after the [] resolver lookups are done). Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On 30 Mar 1995, Howard Goldstein wrote: > This is strange! My hostname is penny.n2wx.ampr.org, but I have > n2wx.ampr.org CNAMEd to it and wish to use the shorter version on > my outgoing email. > > For some reason 3.91 ignores my user-domain setting and it also disregards > the use-only-domain-setting when I tried that. > > 3.91 happily uses a user-domain parameter that differs from my hostname. > > Is this intentional action? > > Howard > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 13:30:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11294; Fri, 31 Mar 95 13:30:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29340; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:36:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29334; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:36:53 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0runMc-00038CC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:32 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: bob@erb.mv.com Subject: PINE on Wyse 50 terminals Message-Id: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:07:23 GMT I've been keeping tabs on this news group for a long time now, hoping to see someone else ask this question, but haven't. Hope this doesn't mean it's too stupid to bring up . . . How can I get PINE to work acceptably on a Wyse 50 terminal? The docs mention using a substitute for protected mode -- I don't know what that is. I've tried all the hardware settings I can think of, with no good results. Can someone tell me what to do? I mean, specifically? Or is this hopeless? Thanks in advance. bob erb -- bob@erb.mv.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 14:06:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA13335; Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:06:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18990; Fri, 31 Mar 95 13:45:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from henson.cc.wwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18982; Fri, 31 Mar 95 13:45:01 -0800 Received: by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.65/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA04251; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:44:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Amanda Haney Subject: addresses To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could someone tell me how to get a "pen-pal" from somewhere outside Washington or maybe even the U.S.? Is there some sort of e-mail directory out there?? I'd really appreciate a response! Thanks, Mandy From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 14:35:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA15088; Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:35:41 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19779; Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:12:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from bbs.mpcs.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA19773; Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:12:19 -0800 Received: by bbs.mpcs.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #52) id m0ruoqq-0007cIC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:07 EST Received: (from hg@localhost) by penny.n2wx.ampr.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA00271; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:29:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:29:07 -0500 (EST) From: Howard Goldstein To: Steve Hubert Cc: Howard Goldstein , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: user-domain doesn't work when it's a subset of hostname? -- FIXED! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Steve Hubert wrote: > There may be a sendmail in the loop doing this for/to you. It is common > for sendmail rewriting rules to canonicalize hostnames in header > addresses. If it sees a n2wx.ampr.org it looks up the CNAME and replaces > it with the canonical name, penny.n2wx.ampr.org. You might try changing > the DNS setup to fix this. You could get rid of the CNAME, and use an MX > record for n2wx pointing to penny instead. If you also need there to be > an IP address associated with n2wx, then you can add an A record with the > penny address for n2wx. > > A more difficult approach would be to modify your sendmail.cf to cause it > to rewrite penny.n2wx.ampr.org to n2wx.ampr.org late in the rewriting > process (after the [] resolver lookups are done). Steve, I'm grateful for your advice. It was much easier to take the second approach, rebuilding sendmail.cf from the .mc file. A quick MASQUERADE_AS() declaration took care of the problem. Thanks for your help! Howard From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 15:23:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA18070; Fri, 31 Mar 95 15:23:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03387; Fri, 31 Mar 95 15:07:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03381; Fri, 31 Mar 95 15:07:07 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rupkR-00038CC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 15:04 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: andrew@andrew.triumf.ca (Andrew Daviel) Subject: procmail support - inbox indicators Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:31:01 GMT Message-Id: <3lhoq5$3o7@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> I just got procmail to help me deal with some mailing lists, and looked in the FAQ for setting up inboxes. Is there a patch yet to somehow tag the inboxes with a newmail count? I've got "newmail" to tell me as stuff comes in, but it's a bit of a drag scrolling back through an xterm in the morning, or opening all the boxes in Pine to see if they're empty. -- Andrew Daviel email: advax@triumf.ca TRIUMF voice: 604-222-7376 4004 Wesbrook Mall fax: 604-222-7307 Vancouver BC http://andrew.triumf.ca/~andrew Canada V6T 2A3 49D14.7N 123D13.6W From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 17:35:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25861; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:35:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05218; Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:28:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Gateway.Kwantlen.BC.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA05208; Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:28:49 -0800 Received: from trex (trex.kwantlen.bc.ca) by gateway.kwantlen.bc.ca (5.65c/SMI-4.1) id AA06578; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:28:23 -0800 Received: by trex (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25896; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:28:22 +0800 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: David Dumaresq X-Sender: david@trex To: Jamie LeVasseur Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, jjl@ichips.com Subject: Re: PC-NFS and PC Pine In-Reply-To: <9503292358.AA01581@ichips> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 835 On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Jamie LeVasseur wrote: > Problem > - PC Pine returns an error message [Host not found: ichips] > followed by [No folder opend]. The PC can ftp and telnet to ichips > > Might anybody have a possible solution to this problem? > We had this exact problem, although we are using PC-NFS v5.0w. The solution appeared to be freeing up sufficient main memory: 560k. David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dumaresq | email: david@kwantlen.bc.ca Programmer/Analyst, Info. Systems & Computing | phone: (604) 599-2120 Kwantlen University College, BC, Canada | fax: (604) 599-2068 "The world is one country and mankind its citizens." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 17:38:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26112; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:38:53 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23572; Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:47:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA23566; Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:47:16 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruqnS-00038CC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:12 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: kashi@uiuc.edu (Asaf Kashi) Subject: Pine 3.91 mailing to programs Date: 31 Mar 95 17:32:40 GMT Message-Id: I have a problem that when I use Pine 3.91 to mail to local users, it looks up their address and sees that their .forward file is set to mail to filter or procmail and then it bounces the message back to me. Even though it bounces back and says it cannot deliver directly to programs, the message actually gets sent through. So here I am with the message correctly delivered and a copy bounced back to me saying that it didn't go through. This happens to any user on the system that uses pine and only pine.(Elm and mail work fine) How do I get rid of this feature/bug? Asaf -- Asaf Kashi kashi@uiuc.edu Senior System Administrator - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute http://www.cogsci.uiuc.edu/~kashi *Finger me for PGP key!* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 17:40:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26224; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:40:55 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06464; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:09:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from muskox.alaska.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA06454; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:09:51 -0800 Received: by muskox.alaska.edu (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA24506; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:17:55 -0900 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:17:55 -0900 (AST) From: Delena Norris-Tull To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know how to make the arrow keys work when using Pine on an IBM-clone - I have some students who cannot use the arrow keys and the alternate commands also do not seem to work. We are in a remote site where we cannot use a mouse to work with email editting, and putting in a command to go up a line or down a line seems absurd. Thanks - Delena Norris-Tull From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 17:54:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA26986; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:54:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25144; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:46:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from asl-labs.bc.ca by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA25138; Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:46:38 -0800 Received: by asl3.asl-labs.bc.ca (5.4R3.10/200.2.1.5) id AA25973; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:50:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian P. Hampson" Subject: Re: PINE on Wyse 50 terminals To: bob@erb.mv.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 31 Mar 1995 bob@erb.mv.com wrote: > How can I get PINE to work acceptably on a Wyse 50 terminal? The docs > mention using a substitute for protected mode -- I don't know what that is. > I've tried all the hardware settings I can think of, with no good results. The script below is designed to work with WYSE terminals - Someone else wrote the original. #!/bin/sh wpinesetup(){ echo "\nSetting up Wyse arrow and function keys..." # Next/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r \0177\c" echo "\033Z1w-\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\04\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\013\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\033[A\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\033[B\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\033[C\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\033[D\0177\c" echo "Done\n" } wpinereset() { echo "\nResetting standard Wyse arrow/function keys..." #t/Prev Page echo "\033Z1r\0177\c" echo "\033Z1w\0177\c" # Char/Line delete echo "\033Z15\0177\c" echo "\033Z16\0177\c" # Arrow keys echo "\033Z1+\0177\c" echo "\033Z1.\0177\c" echo "\033Z1,\0177\c" echo "\033Z1-\0177\c" echo "Done.\n" } if [ "$TERM" != "wyse50" ] then /local/bin/pine1 $* clear exit fi trap wpinereset 0 1 2 3 15 wpinesetup /local/bin/pine1 $* wpinereset clear exit -------------------------------------------------------------------------- B. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Brian P. Hampson Internet: brian@asl-labs.bc.ca | |System Administration, | |Analytical Service Labs Fidonet : Brian Hampson 1:153/733 | |Vancouver, BC | |+604-253-4188 | | Specialists in Environmental Chemistry | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 19:12:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA29720; Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:12:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08460; Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:07:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA08454; Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:07:40 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0rutUr-00038HC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 19:05 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: gstlarry@zach.fit.edu (Larry Abdullah) Subject: Pine for VMS; Help with libraries and configuration Message-Id: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:41:33 GMT Dear Pine supporter or User We at the Florida Solar Energy Center are an alternative energy center which is part of the University of Central Florida. We would like some help in configuring Pine for VMS. I have taken Pine 3.91 from an FTP site (ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se /vms/pine) but I need to find netlib so that I can build it on my system. I did find some netlibe stuff packaged with MX but I still do not see a standard VAX runtime library or netlibe.olb. In short I am having trouble finding or putting together the pieces. I would appreciate some advise and maybe a phone number. Larry Abdullah larry@sigma.fsec.ucf.edu 407-7830300 Ext 152 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 20:14:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA01688; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:14:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27296; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:09:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from nodemgr.gwu.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27290; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:09:05 -0800 Message-Id: <9504010409.AA27290@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: by nodemgr (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA026269315; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 23:08:35 -0500 From: Wes Kaufmann Subject: Pine for HP-UX 9.05 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 23:08:34 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] I'm looking for a version of Pine that will compile on HP-UX 9.05 The current 3.91 I pulled down from Washington has a makefile for 8.x Any Info is appreciated. Please e-mail me directly as my subscription has yet to be processed. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 20:34:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA02347; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:34:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27594; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:27:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA27588; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:27:37 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruuiU-00038CC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 20:23 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: yuehong@brahms.udel.edu (roland) Subject: where can i get a compiled version pine/pico for irix v4.0? Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:14:44 GMT Message-Id: <3lhnrk$78n@news.udel.edu> where can i get a compiled version(or source code) of pine/pico for irix v4.0? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 31 21:48:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA04495; Fri, 31 Mar 95 21:48:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10682; Fri, 31 Mar 95 21:42:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from rain.psg.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA10670; Fri, 31 Mar 95 21:42:47 -0800 Received: by rain.psg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ruvrV-00038DC; Fri, 31 Mar 95 21:36 PST To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: shuford@scs.unr.edu (Brian Shuford) Subject: TEST Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:12:20 GMT Message-Id: <3lhnn4$ob5@silver.scs.unr.edu> This is just a test. 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